2026-08-01 04:17:12 <mewt> got working audio
2026-08-01 04:17:43 <mewt> I don't like relying on a random OOT module, but snd-hda-macbookpro does the trick
2026-08-01 05:51:25 <mewt> any chance of backporting this or something? https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/agd5f/linux/-/commit/631849ff5d603841e74f19f4a5e30fe1f7d7cf30 almost every attempt to play video in mpv results in an oops right now
2026-08-01 05:51:58 <mewt> (01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] Baffin [Radeon RX 460/560D / Pro 450/455/460/555/555X/560/560X] (rev c7) )
2026-08-01 09:23:48 <fier[m]> Hello, I've recently installed Alpine Linux on my Raspberry Pi 1. I like how fast the package manager is, compared to Raspbian.
2026-08-01 09:23:48 <fier[m]> However, updating the kernel is really slow. update-kernel takes 30 minutes on my device. Is there a more efficient method for updating the kernel?
2026-08-01 09:26:19 <f_> Pi 1 in general is quite slow
2026-08-01 09:26:26 <lopid> i watched a presentation by ncopa about apk that explains why it was so fast. it was good but i can't find it now
2026-08-01 09:26:37 <f_> but I don't see why update-kernel would take 30 min
2026-08-01 09:26:59 <f_> and I agree, apk really is fast :D
2026-08-01 09:28:36 <fier[m]> Yeah I know the Pi 1 is a snail LOL, but it's enough for my purposes! If it helps, I'm running in diskless mode, since I've applied the img.gz onto my SD Card, and one of the slow parts seems to be the creation of the squashfs.
2026-08-01 09:30:07 <fier[m]> It might be better if I didn't use diskless mode for my purpose, however I'm not sure if that's a supported setup for the Pi?
2026-08-01 09:34:15 <lopid> is the medium just slow to write?
2026-08-01 09:37:03 <fier[m]> I believe it's a CPU bottleneck, the medium isn't too bad - lbu finishes quickly.
2026-08-01 12:18:00 <Sertonix[m]> Alpine supports sys install on RPi. It might be possible to speed up squashfs a bit by including less files but not sure if that is worth it.
2026-08-01 19:12:47 <nickbors> was man.cgi ever ported to alpine?
2026-08-01 19:12:48 <nickbors> https://man.openbsd.org/man.cgi.8
2026-08-01 19:19:38 <yeti> w3mman or mancha aren't good enough?
2026-08-01 19:34:21 <Arthurium> Anyone here able to confirm that showmethekey package on edge repos lacks icons for "compact" mode, specifically the left and right mouseclick?
2026-08-01 19:36:35 <Arthurium> I'm on Labwc, which means any icon pack would have to be manually installed. I got hicolor-icon-theme and adwaita-icon-theme installed
2026-08-01 19:38:32 <lopid> at least the package files are the same across 3.24 and edge
2026-08-01 19:39:14 <Arthurium> Oh wait I think it's not an icon problem, but the fact I only installed ttf-dejavu, and no other font pack. I think I spoke too soon
2026-08-01 19:43:56 <Arthurium> Yeah my bad, thanks for the heads up about the package being the same on stable, but it was a font issue, I had to install font-noto and now it's fixed! : )
2026-08-01 19:45:31 <lopid> good
2026-08-01 20:50:01 <Sertonix[m]> nickbors: It compiles fine and probably just works. There is some compile time configuration which make it difficult to package.
2026-08-01 22:11:27 <nickbors> Sertonix[m]: I managed to fork+exec with a pipe: https://git.nickbors.cc/pazte/file/pazted.8.html
2026-08-01 22:12:46 <nickbors> Id eventually want to package this for alpine^^
2026-08-02 04:46:19 <shadow> any rust coders using Alpine?
2026-08-02 04:57:32 <panekj> probably
2026-08-02 05:00:51 <shadow> I'm involved in upstream rust toolchain getting a promotion of the musl riscv64 target
2026-08-02 05:01:19 <shadow> so... I guess the follow on question is does anyone use Alpine here on riscv64 :-)
2026-08-02 05:08:30 <panekj> you might get better results asking more specific questions
2026-08-02 05:08:48 <panekj> as in, what is the issue you're trying to solve
2026-08-02 05:21:10 <iggy> shadow: yes, people use Alpine on riscv64. See also #alpine-riscv64 
2026-08-02 05:26:11 <frag> in vi you can do ZZ to save/quit, is there a similar way to just save?
2026-08-02 05:54:16 <shadow> frag: :w ?
2026-08-02 05:54:24 <shadow> no questionmark
2026-08-02 05:54:27 <shadow> "write"
2026-08-02 06:23:43 <frag> yeah i mean without using : guess its just one more key tho..
2026-08-02 06:48:19 <grossaffe[m]> It's simply the way of the modal editor.  : puts you into command mode.
2026-08-02 08:24:27 <idkrnx[m]> frag: If you're in vim or neovim you can just remap
2026-08-02 10:21:47 <frag> negative, busybox vi
2026-08-02 10:22:05 <frag> now also on android!
2026-08-02 10:22:59 <frag> :w is fine i guess, just thought i remembered a similar bind, Z?
2026-08-02 10:23:09 <lopid> no
2026-08-02 10:23:18 <frag> ai
2026-08-02 10:23:53 <lopid> ZQ exits without saving
2026-08-02 10:26:06 <frag> found some notes: 'ctrl+\' also quit
2026-08-02 10:26:20 <frag> without saving
2026-08-02 10:26:31 <lopid> harsh
2026-08-02 10:26:49 <frag> seems to mess up the terminal tho
2026-08-02 10:27:14 <lopid> because it's a signal not a vim command
2026-08-02 10:28:19 <frag> lopid signal?
2026-08-02 10:28:42 <lopid> sent to vim by the kernel
2026-08-02 10:28:48 <lopid> sigquit
2026-08-02 10:29:09 <lopid> you could also ctrl-z ;)
2026-08-02 10:29:45 <frag> convenient hehe
2026-08-02 11:20:56 <frag> dont see this often :x instead of :wq
2026-08-02 11:30:02 <quinq> I always use :x instead of :wq, it's one less letter
2026-08-02 11:30:34 <frag> hah, ill try to incorperate it
2026-08-02 11:32:08 <frag> little bit weit that :wq :wn workd but not :we newfile
2026-08-02 11:32:18 <frag> *weird
2026-08-02 16:47:04 <Juzz> jvvv: are you around?
2026-08-02 17:09:36 <Swirly> so small question: atm when i open gnome disks and try to do anything it gives me some permission denied error. this is with what came with `setup-desktop` on lxqt and just running `apk add gnome-disks`, is there anything extra i need to do?
2026-08-02 17:20:58 <svone> Swirly: You can run gnome-disks from a terminal as root, or try "apk add lxqt-sudo"
2026-08-02 18:58:26 <Swirly> svone: lxqt-sudo seems to be installed already and running `doas gnome-disks` or `doas su` and `gnome-disks` from there fails with being unable to open my x11 display
2026-08-02 19:13:46 <Sertonix[m]> doas empties environment variable including DESKTOP
2026-08-02 19:33:26 <Swirly> oh fun, and i never set a root password... guess i should do that
2026-08-02 19:34:56 <Swirly> sure enough doing that works. thanks!
2026-08-03 04:40:54 <rnkn> Sertonix[m]: you can set keepenv in doas.conf
2026-08-03 06:10:33 <Saijin_Naib[m]> rnkn this is one of the most helpful UX fixes I have seen in a long time
2026-08-03 06:10:40 <Saijin_Naib[m]> Been scratching my head why Alpine behaved differently elevating GUI apps, and this fixes it
2026-08-03 06:16:23 <abby> fwiw, to balance security and UX, you may want to use setenv {} with specific variables to pass through
2026-08-03 06:22:10 <fier[m]> @abby To be honest, if you run an insecure app at any point you're kind of boned either way, since it can easily pretend to be doas, running from ~/.local/bin for example, and inject whatever it wants into your command, like environment variables. Not sure if it's that important. But yes, technically, it is less secure.
2026-08-03 06:40:41 <Saijin_Naib[m]> Is such a setting similar to how most other distros handle elevating GUI apps?
2026-08-03 06:40:58 <Saijin_Naib[m]> I tried writing envvars into my profile.d to set things, and it never, ever worked
2026-08-03 06:41:11 <Saijin_Naib[m]> I would, if I needed to, login to an XFCE session as root to run the app
2026-08-03 06:41:20 <Saijin_Naib[m]> Which, I imagine, is not great security posture, either
2026-08-03 06:47:19 <aron> I don't think you need to login as root, just open a terminal and start you application with doas (or similar)
2026-08-03 06:47:26 <aron> *your
2026-08-03 06:51:02 <abby> most distros will have gui apps elevate with polkit
2026-08-03 06:51:20 <abby> sudo elevates with some env vars by default
2026-08-03 13:06:25 <longnoserob[m]> what happened to the edge-aarch64 builder?
2026-08-03 13:59:55 <ikke> longnoserob[m]: I stopped it to debug ckermit, but didn't start it again yet
2026-08-03 14:01:16 <longnoserob[m]> ah ok
2026-08-03 19:08:46 <Saijin_Naib[m]> I have been trying to get Exaile in for like, six months now, but of course, it is now merging slopcode changes, so I am going to drop my MR
2026-08-03 19:16:45 <Saijin_Naib[m]> @_oftc_Ariadne:matrix.org , does Audacious have an official policy or unofficial one published?
2026-08-03 19:47:51 <franco_> Hello everyone. I'm having an issue with an Alpine diskless setup. "Failed to mount boot media" error. There're the details: https://termbin.com/s4by4
2026-08-03 20:40:28 <f_> Saijin_Naib[m]: your ping got botched by the matrix bridge so it didn't ping Ariadne
2026-08-03 20:45:45 <abby> Saijin_Naib[m]: closest I can find: https://github.com/audacious-media-player/audacious-plugins/pull/200#issuecomment-4363065046
2026-08-03 22:30:46 <Saijin_Naib[m]> Ah, thanks both. That looks promising. I will try to pickup my apkbuild tweak to install gtk or qt GUI for Audacious dependent upon system like libreoffice does
2026-08-04 04:09:08 <WhyNotHugo> On a host with no encrypted disk, why would you use an initramfs instead of simply mounting the real rootfs (building the fs module into the kernel)?
2026-08-04 04:14:35 <fier[m]> I reckon it's because you'd need to rebuild the entire kernel just to do that, if you wanted to do it as a user. And as a distributor of the distro, you'd have to include a lot of drivers and that'd make the kernel bloated
2026-08-04 04:16:04 <fier[m]> Inherently bloated at that, since you can't just make a new small initramfs to get rid of the modules, you'd also have to build a whole kernel.
2026-08-04 04:17:53 <WhyNotHugo> As a distro, I guess picking a single fs to be built-in would be reasonable. Of course, no single fs is going to make everyone happy.
2026-08-04 04:19:24 <fier[m]> It's not just the fs, it's also all the storage controller drivers!
2026-08-04 05:54:59 <longnoserob[m]> ikkei was asking because tqftpserv was updated on all arcbs in edge except aarch64, so i assume its due to the ckermit errors
2026-08-04 05:59:39 <ikke> longnoserob[m]: correct
2026-08-04 06:05:14 <longnoserob[m]> i see
2026-08-04 11:58:41 <longnoserob[m]> ikke: https://github.com/OpenKermit/ckermit/releases/tag/v11.0.506
2026-08-04 11:59:35 <longnoserob[m]> shall I file a MR?
2026-08-04 12:03:21 <ikke> Sure. I checked the release notes, but nothing in particular about these tests
2026-08-04 12:23:58 <longnoserob[m]> ikke: aports!106402
2026-08-04 12:33:38 <longnoserob[m]> ikke: did you clean he builder pipeline?
2026-08-04 12:33:42 <longnoserob[m]> r
2026-08-04 12:33:52 <ikke> no
2026-08-04 12:35:43 <longnoserob[m]> ah ok, Sertonix disable the tests for aarch64 and some more archs
2026-08-04 13:10:05 <telmich> Is anyone else running gpg-agent in here? It seems for about a few months the "pinentry-program /usr/bin/pinentry-gtk-2" stanza in the config is ignored and I always get the tty/ncurses thingy. I also checked that  /usr/bin/pinentry-gtk-2 exists. The symptom happens on all my notebooks atm
2026-08-04 13:14:06 <Sertonix[m]> Is gpg-agent run with the correct DESKTOP and/or WAYLAND_DESKTOP environment variables?
2026-08-04 15:35:14 <WhyNotHugo> telmich: in a recent update, pinentry-gtk-2 was replaced with a symlink to pinentry-gnome, which requires some additional services running to work
2026-08-04 15:35:30 <WhyNotHugo> Use pinentry-qt instead
2026-08-04 15:35:31 <WhyNotHugo> https://gitlab.alpinelinux.org/alpine/aports/-/work_items/17944
2026-08-04 16:00:25 <telmich> WhyNotHugo: thanks a lot for the pointer!
2026-08-04 16:06:02 <telmich> Ahh, so good, now I can sign again from emacs.. because I run x11 emacs and the console based pinentry never shows up, emacs will hang when trying to access the keychain
2026-08-04 18:17:08 <Noisytoot1> how can I make librewolf use my system locale on alpine? the option in about:preferences says "Use your operating system settings for “English (United States, posix)” to format dates, times, numbers, and measurements.", but my system locale is not en_US, I have no idea where it is getting that from
2026-08-04 18:18:55 <Noisytoot1> mainly I need it to not use mm/dd/yyyy dates, I cannot stand those
2026-08-04 18:20:52 <dwfreed> as far as where it's getting it from, locale only exists in environment variables; you can inspect /proc/pid/environ (replace pid with PID of the main librewolf process) for LANG/LANGUAGE/LC_* variables (note that the file uses NULL between each environment variable)
2026-08-04 18:21:15 <dwfreed> (it's not like timezone which has /etc/localtime for a system timezone)
2026-08-04 18:24:19 <Noisytoot1> for some reason LANG isn't being set correctly (it's set to C.UTF-8 in librewolf's environment)
2026-08-04 18:26:24 <Noisytoot1> I can put a file in ~/.config/plasma-workspace/env to make plasma set it
2026-08-04 18:57:38 <TBB_> Noisytoot1, nicely done! I've been a KDE user already since the 2.x series and I had no idea of that one
2026-08-05 21:25:23 <thresh> hi.  I want to append -DFORTIFY_SOURCE to the CFLAGS defaults for abuild.  Is my only option figuring out what the default is from /usr/share/abuild/default.conf, and setting the whole flag again in /etc/abuild.conf ?
2026-08-05 23:09:01 <iggy> thresh: did you try regular shell interpolation? i.e. CFLAGS="${CFLAGS} -DFORTIFY_SOURCE"
2026-08-05 23:15:01 <Sertonix[m]> thresh: The alpine toolchain implies FORTIFY_SOURCE. Are you sure you really need to append it to CFLAGS?
2026-08-05 23:18:21 <jvvv> To my understanding, the default CFLAGS and CXXFLAGS contains -Wformat and -Werror=format-security which also infers FORTIFY_SOURCE 
2026-08-05 23:22:01 <jvvv> at least, that is for the printf/scanf family of fuctions
2026-08-05 23:43:10 <thresh> Sertonix[m], indeed, i'm operating off the assumption I need to explicitely enable it. (by looking at checksec-rs output)
2026-08-05 23:43:31 <thresh> iggy, oh that will definitely work in my abuilds, but I was wondering for other options
2026-08-05 23:48:19 <thresh> ohhh, https://gitlab.alpinelinux.org/alpine/aports/-/blob/3.23-stable/main/gcc/0004-Turn-on-D_FORTIFY_SOURCE-2-by-default-for-C-C-ObjC-O.patch
2026-08-05 23:52:33 <Sertonix[m]> thresh: My quick guess would be that checksec-rs does not detect fortify-headers (which alpine uses) due to it not adding __*_chk calls to the binary.
2026-08-05 23:52:38 <thresh> appreciate the help!
2026-08-05 23:52:40 <thresh> Sertonix[m], yep!
2026-08-05 23:53:19 <thresh> I've noticed that those tools (checksec, checksec-rs, hardening-check from debian devscripts) do indeed produce false positives
2026-08-05 23:53:38 <thresh> Thank you for helping me get to the bottom of it!
2026-08-05 23:54:30 <thresh> err, false negative in this case of course
2026-08-06 13:07:29 <IvanJurii[m]> Hello to all
2026-08-06 13:39:20 <n2j3> hi
2026-08-06 20:39:33 <iglt026> hi
2026-08-07 07:02:17 <h4x0r-0day-> 
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2026-08-07 07:22:50 <quinq> Why not top 100 toothbrush list?
2026-08-07 07:32:08 <n2j3> quinq: 1. Tepe , 2. Curaprox, 3. Jordan, 4. Elgydium, 5. Oral-B
2026-08-07 07:47:32 <DaKnig[m]> 6. Colgate
2026-08-07 07:52:22 <quinq> I think I'm using a LIDL one atm, I hope it's in that list
2026-08-07 08:21:27 <TBB_> but can it run (Alpine) Linux?
2026-08-07 08:30:03 <quinq> Na, I'm still using mechanical, so that Skynet can't mess with my teeth brushing activities
2026-08-07 08:31:38 <panekj> it's ok, there is a flock camera outside looking into your bathroom through a window
2026-08-07 08:33:59 <quinq> The things it might see
2026-08-07 08:42:42 <TBB_> tooth brushes ... flock cameras ...
2026-08-07 08:42:48 <TBB_> I smell innovation in the making!
2026-08-07 08:43:18 <TBB_> a toothbrush with an inbuilt flock camera?
2026-08-07 08:45:22 <ikke> 
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2026-08-07 12:40:48 <weechat> Hi