2025-10-01 06:10:51 <bananicorn> Hi! I just did an apk upgrade -aU on edge and my wifi no longer works, did something change in regards to firmware packages?
2025-10-01 06:11:20 <bananicorn> dmesg contains some relevant errors
2025-10-01 06:11:27 <ikke> bananicorn: on edge, you should have /var/log/apk
2025-10-01 06:12:11 <bananicorn> https://paste.debian.net/1398829/
2025-10-01 06:14:19 <bananicorn> It only showed that linux-firmware-i915 and linux-firmware-other got upgraded (20250808-r0 -> 20250917-r0)
2025-10-01 06:14:42 <bananicorn> Is it possible that the firmware was dropped upstream?
2025-10-01 06:38:34 <bananicorn> Turns out I had to add linux-firmware-intel, it seems the driver moved upstream
2025-10-01 06:47:56 <cousin_luigi> Would you classify alpine-linux as a rolling-release distro?
2025-10-01 06:48:18 <ikke> It's a bit of a hybrid 
2025-10-01 06:49:04 <ZombieChicken> edge is rolling, otherwise there are releases.
2025-10-01 08:39:24 <cousin_luigi> ok
2025-10-01 08:40:11 <cousin_luigi> I'm about to create my first package, for a custom openrc script. Are there macros containing default paths like in rpm?
2025-10-01 09:11:03 <rnkn> is it rude to request a package?
2025-10-01 09:11:40 <achill> you can open a issue for it: https://gitlab.alpinelinux.org/alpine/aports/-/issues/new?description_template=Package%20Request
2025-10-01 09:12:08 <rnkn> achill: nice, thank you!
2025-10-01 09:15:20 <rnkn> already requested: https://gitlab.alpinelinux.org/alpine/aports/-/issues/15440
2025-10-01 09:16:59 <rnkn> I guess I *could* just install via flatpak...
2025-10-01 09:31:14 <tokyovigilante> has anyone noticed that m4a files are no longer playing by default in cmus, firefox etc? Custom ffmpeg build with libfaad2 is ok.
2025-10-01 09:31:26 <tokyovigilante> Alpine edge sorry
2025-10-01 09:40:31 <achill> possibly related to the ffmpeg 8 upgrade
2025-10-01 09:40:36 <achill> do you mind opening a issue?
2025-10-01 09:40:41 <achill> https://gitlab.alpinelinux.org/alpine/aports/-/issues/new
2025-10-01 09:41:54 <tokyovigilante> can do, thanks
2025-10-01 10:43:58 <cousin_luigi> Is changing the default shell to /bin/bash supposed to be a problem? Because ssh hangs half the times and it seems like I'm stuck with /bin/sh
2025-10-01 10:45:42 <ikke> cousin_luigi: At least it's not something that is supported, but no idea why it would hang due to bash
2025-10-01 10:45:56 <ikke> cousin_luigi: or do you mean the users shell
2025-10-01 10:46:15 <cousin_luigi> ikke: Can't say I understand the distinction.
2025-10-01 10:46:19 <longnoserob[m]> did yiu run chsh?
2025-10-01 10:46:27 <cousin_luigi> what is that?
2025-10-01 10:46:33 <cousin_luigi> I installed usermod
2025-10-01 10:46:49 <longnoserob[m]> a script to change the users shell
2025-10-01 10:47:05 <ikke> cousin_luigi: the other option would be having bash provide /bin/sh
2025-10-01 10:47:19 <ikke> (re the distinction)
2025-10-01 10:47:46 <cousin_luigi> how does chsh work? 
2025-10-01 10:48:12 <cousin_luigi> Because it doesn't seem to do anything, I run it unprivileged and it didn't complain. Also it doesn't appear to be a script.
2025-10-01 10:49:47 <PureTryOut> chsh -h tells you like any other cli tool. But calling it as your user with chsh -s /path/to/shell sets your user's shell to whatever you passed to it
2025-10-01 10:50:18 <cousin_luigi> PureTryOut: How is that possible without modifying /etc/passwd ?
2025-10-01 10:52:20 <grawity> how do you know it didn't modify /etc/passwd
2025-10-01 10:52:37 <cousin_luigi> grawity: because it's an unprivileged user
2025-10-01 10:52:39 <grawity> chsh is often 'setuid' (therefore automatically privileged) specifically so that users could change their own shell
2025-10-01 10:52:44 <cousin_luigi> ouch
2025-10-01 10:52:56 <grawity> as is passwd, so that users could change their own password
2025-10-01 10:53:01 <grawity> as is chfn, so that users could change their own contact details
2025-10-01 10:53:03 <cousin_luigi> Oh, right.
2025-10-01 10:55:08 <cousin_luigi> anyway it's not being considered
2025-10-01 10:55:37 <cousin_luigi> and with regard to sshd hanging, I wonder if there might be some reconnect limits
2025-10-01 11:01:24 <cousin_luigi> Ok, third question: regarding openrc scripts, how can one separate depends for startup from the shutdown ones?
2025-10-01 11:01:35 <cousin_luigi> Or perhaps that's not a thing?
2025-10-01 12:42:29 <cousin_luigi> Ok, whatever could cause a ssh connectiona attempt to remain stuck here "Oct  1 14:40:22 alpvoy auth.debug sshd-session[2503]: debug1: restore_uid: 0/0" for like 15 seconds?
2025-10-01 12:44:24 <cousin_luigi> oh, it's got to be the blasted swap
2025-10-01 14:05:40 <cousin_luigi> ok, most of it is working now. ~/.bashrc is apparently ignored
2025-10-01 14:05:59 <cousin_luigi> but global defaults are also acceptable
2025-10-01 15:29:49 <blaablabla> hi there is too many texteditors I am an economics student I need some editor to put some notes so I can study 
2025-10-01 15:30:58 <lopid> are there none in the menu?
2025-10-01 15:33:05 <qman> For CS or sysadmin I would send you to vim or meovim, but you probably are not interested in investing that much into your editor just for some basic note taking, so go with whichever one comes with your desktop environment, or nano on the command line is intuitive to most non-power users
2025-10-01 15:33:21 <qman> neovim*
2025-10-01 15:41:19 <qman> If you do plan to spend a lot of time working on Linux or any other unix-kike systems, then at least leaning the basic usage of vi is a good idea, as that's present on the vast majority of systems and you can just expect it to be available, and not so much with nano or other options 
2025-10-01 15:41:36 <qman> unix-like*
2025-10-01 15:42:10 <qman> Can't believe that one was actually auto-correct, what are you doing Google 
2025-10-01 15:47:44 <blaablabla> zim is good editor btw
2025-10-01 15:49:17 <gorus> has any of you replaced an armbian with alpinelinux on a soc tv box ? or has successfully installed alpinelinux on their tv box and could help out ?
2025-10-01 15:50:14 <ikke> I haven't heard of anyone installing alpine on their TV :-)
2025-10-01 15:50:21 <ikke> / tvbox
2025-10-01 15:51:33 <gorus> https://wiki.alpinelinux.org/wiki/DIY_Fully_working_Alpine_Linux_for_Allwinner_and_Other_ARM_SOCs
2025-10-01 15:52:15 <gorus> its been done, not too much detailed info on the needed steps in 2025 :(
2025-10-01 15:53:13 <nanon> 📯https://alpinelinux.org/posts/2025-10-01-usr-merge.html
2025-10-01 15:53:16 <gorus> ive been running armbian on 2 of my older tv boxes and they run great, would love to run alpine on them, more comfortable with alpine
2025-10-01 16:08:22 <blaablabla> there is also native zim for alpine linux maybe I should use that? instead of zim from flatpak?
2025-10-01 16:08:34 <blaablabla> I already installed the flatpak version though
2025-10-01 16:08:43 <blaablabla> should not make a difference or?
2025-10-01 16:27:03 <nanon> blaablabla: you can check the versions if that makes a difference to you. a flatpak can be a more sandboxed install, but also a bit blind to themes unless you poke holes for it
2025-10-01 16:28:25 <nanon> blaablabla: here's a nice gui for flatpak permissions https://flathub.org/en/apps/com.github.tchx84.Flatseal
2025-10-01 17:27:02 <cousin_luigi> I could use another set of eyes to tell if my conversion from sysv looks good https://gitlab.com/lbaldoni/voyage-util/-/tree/openrc/
2025-10-01 18:13:53 <Saijin_Naib[m]> Interested to see if anyone else gets crashes on my arx libertatis build
2025-10-01 18:13:54 <Saijin_Naib[m]> https://gitlab.alpinelinux.org/alpine/aports/-/merge_requests/90449
2025-10-01 18:33:36 <swee> What's the package for Perl's ExtUtils::Embed or IO::Pty ?
2025-10-01 18:34:41 <dwfreed> https://pkgs.alpinelinux.org/contents?file=Embed.pm&path=&name=&branch=edge&repo=&arch=x86_64
2025-10-01 18:34:54 <dwfreed> https://pkgs.alpinelinux.org/contents?file=Pty.pm&path=&name=&branch=edge&repo=&arch=x86_64
2025-10-01 19:42:56 <blablabla> after the screen turned off with deltachat and steam downloading a game on kde so screen turned off I got into sddm and then I couldnt login lol
2025-10-01 19:43:01 <blablabla> what could that potentially be
2025-10-01 19:43:03 <blablabla> XD
2025-10-01 19:43:47 <blablabla> I went into the console
2025-10-01 19:43:51 <blablabla> and did doas reboot
2025-10-01 19:50:45 <blablabla> brb
2025-10-01 19:58:10 <blaablabla> kde too buggy for me
2025-10-01 19:58:12 <blaablabla> lmao
2025-10-01 19:59:18 <blaablabla> can I somehow restless wipe kde and install another desktop
2025-10-01 20:04:28 <blaablabla> whats like the og desktop for alpine linux
2025-10-01 20:06:15 <blaablabla> how to not  letting my session being suspended
2025-10-01 20:06:17 <blaablabla> on kde
2025-10-01 20:06:59 <blaablabla> kde is too hard for me fuck it
2025-10-01 20:07:00 <blaablabla> lol
2025-10-01 20:07:12 <lopid> ok
2025-10-01 20:09:58 <Habbie> you are not too late
2025-10-01 20:10:00 <Habbie> not primarily
2025-10-01 20:10:02 <Habbie> there was nothing you could have done
2025-10-01 22:11:24 <cousin_luigi> My package has stopped building after switching upstream with a slightly different name. Say, from foo-0.1 to foo-bar-0.1. $srcdir doesn't seem to be expanded, it's just .../src/ without the foo-bar-0.1 part. Redefining srcdir seems to help, but is that the way?
2025-10-01 22:22:05 <tokyovigilante> achill: seems it's an ffmpeg API change as you suggest, cmus added a fix so building cmus HEAD works fine, but it's not been in a release version yet. Is it worth a report or should I just send a MR for a new cmus version once releaseed?
2025-10-01 22:30:40 <achill> ideally someone would Backport the patch to alpine edge. It would be a good task to get to know alpine's build system and stuff, but otherwise opening a issue with the patch is also fine
2025-10-01 23:47:45 <Sertonix[m]> cousin_luigi: You should redefine builddir to something like $srcdir/foo-bar-$pkgver instead. srcdir shouldn't be overwritten.
2025-10-01 23:51:32 <tokyovigilante> achill: no problem, I can manage that if I find the time.
2025-10-02 03:23:06 <rnkn> I just had a situation where my system sound died. no more input/output devices found in settings. a reboot fixed it, but is there a service that I could have restarted?
2025-10-02 04:19:51 <cousin_luigi> Sertonix[m]: That's what I did.
2025-10-02 05:25:43 <cousin_luigi> ">>> ERROR: voyage-util: 0.5.1alp is not a valid version" <- What's wrong with it?
2025-10-02 05:31:37 <ikke> the version spec does not allow arbitrary strings 
2025-10-02 05:32:43 <cousin_luigi> ikke: But I see several in aports
2025-10-02 05:32:58 <cousin_luigi> 1.2.3_git20230401
2025-10-02 05:33:02 <cousin_luigi> things of that nature
2025-10-02 05:33:07 <ikke> Those are not arbitrary strings
2025-10-02 05:33:49 <ikke> there are predefined suffixes that can be used
2025-10-02 05:34:03 <cousin_luigi> ikke: What are suffixes that can be used? Is there a list?
2025-10-02 05:34:55 <ikke> https://gitlab.alpinelinux.org/alpine/go/-/blob/master/version/doc.go
2025-10-02 05:35:06 <ikke> see pre-suffix and post-suffix
2025-10-02 05:36:34 <cousin_luigi> thanks
2025-10-02 05:42:37 <cousin_luigi> ikke: Since you're here, would you be so kind to explain to me why $srcdir has stopped expanding here https://gitlab.com/lbaldoni/voyage-util/-/tree/0.5.2?ref_type=tags ?
2025-10-02 05:42:48 <cousin_luigi> It worked until yesterday, not sure what I did.
2025-10-02 05:47:17 <cousin_luigi> https://gitlab.com/lbaldoni/voyage-util/-/blob/openrc/APKBUILD?ref_type=heads sorry, this is the current APKBUILD
2025-10-02 05:47:17 <cousin_luigi> I see a "install: cannot stat '/home/user/abuild/src/voyage-sync.initd': No such file or directory"
2025-10-02 05:47:17 <ikke> (symlink)
2025-10-02 05:47:17 <ikke> because you don't have those files listed in source=, abuild does not copy those files into the src/ directory
2025-10-02 05:48:24 <cousin_luigi> ikke: But I'm fairly certain abuild did unpack the tarball inside src
2025-10-02 05:48:32 <cousin_luigi> at least until last night
2025-10-02 05:49:13 <ikke> cousin_luigi: Then the archive you used before did not include a subdirectory
2025-10-02 05:49:20 <cousin_luigi> oh
2025-10-02 05:49:26 <ikke> you want to change "$srcdir" to "$builddir" in package
2025-10-02 05:50:14 <ikke> or you could even omit it
2025-10-02 05:50:29 <ikke> since abuild does `cd $builddir` for the 4 main functions
2025-10-02 05:50:35 <cousin_luigi> that's counter-intuitive
2025-10-02 05:50:51 <cousin_luigi> But I suppose I just need to get used to it.
2025-10-02 05:53:24 <cousin_luigi> Thanks, that worked.
2025-10-02 09:00:57 <Blablabla> Is gnome as buggy as KDE ?
2025-10-02 09:01:34 <Blablabla> Maybe I should just pick sqay
2025-10-02 09:03:15 <Blablabla> What's the displaymanager // login for sway?
2025-10-02 09:16:01 <somercet> Blablabla, I just run it from the command line.
2025-10-02 09:16:17 <somercet> exec dbus-run-session -- sway > .local/session.log 2>&1
2025-10-02 09:16:58 <somercet> but if you do that, you need to run:
2025-10-02 09:17:06 <somercet> exec dbus-update-activation-environment DISPLAY XAUTHORITY WAYLAND_DISPLAY
2025-10-02 09:19:03 <somercet> that makes pinentry choose the proper password dialog
2025-10-02 09:19:39 <somercet> run the latter line in .config/sway.config
2025-10-02 09:20:52 <somercet> rather: .config/sway/config
2025-10-02 09:48:35 <asd> hi
2025-10-02 09:48:58 <asd> somercet is it maybe better to run hyprland or niri than sway?
2025-10-02 09:49:18 <asd> is niri maybe inside the setup-desktop script?
2025-10-02 10:03:52 <asd> somercet the script you gave me do not work somehow
2025-10-02 10:04:23 <somercet> what is the error?
2025-10-02 10:05:29 <asd> the error seems like I have sway not installed :D
2025-10-02 10:05:32 <asd> fuck my life
2025-10-02 10:07:06 <asd> well now there is no error but it just doesnt start I just plugged both of the commands in ~/.local/bin/start-sway and made chmod +x that file
2025-10-02 10:07:15 <asd> but it doesnt start and no error code
2025-10-02 10:09:04 <asd> now error says unable to connect to dbus unable to autolaunch a dbus-daemon without a $display for x11
2025-10-02 10:09:35 <asd> I made the file a bit different I did instead of exec a #!/bin/sh at first
2025-10-02 10:11:07 <asd> any idea why?
2025-10-02 10:11:14 <asd> somercet
2025-10-02 10:11:41 <somercet> only the second line goes into config
2025-10-02 10:12:16 <somercet> the first line you type at the console.
2025-10-02 10:13:29 <somercet> the second line is added to ~/.config/sway/config
2025-10-02 10:14:18 <asd> after executing the command I had to relogin
2025-10-02 10:14:50 <asd> dbus-update-activation-environment still errors
2025-10-02 10:15:42 <asd> ahh nooo I misstyped the command
2025-10-02 10:15:46 <asd> hmm strange bug
2025-10-02 10:16:54 <somercet> the command assumes it is run in $HOME and that ~/.local dir exists
2025-10-02 10:22:01 <asd> somercet:  can I somehow let the second command being started automatically instead of starting it manually inside when say is opened?
2025-10-02 10:22:42 <somercet> you can just type it into a terminal while sway is running, but that gets annoying.
2025-10-02 10:22:53 <somercet> normally it goes into sway/config
2025-10-02 10:32:53 <asd> you mean the second command can go in .config/sway/config
2025-10-02 10:34:34 <asd> it seems to work to plug exec dbus-update-activation .... into the sway config thanks
2025-10-02 10:38:44 <asd> the first command can it be autostarted too?
2025-10-02 10:42:16 <asd> is there a good gui for firewalld which works in sway?
2025-10-02 10:48:42 <asd> somercet how to make flatpak apps visible in wofi?
2025-10-02 11:01:30 <Guest28217> https://pastebin.com/knitbfS9 somercet so I added these lines to sway config cant still see flatpak :(
2025-10-02 11:02:28 <Guest28217> I also installed xdg-desktop-portal and xdg-desktop-portal-wlr what ever those are good for
2025-10-02 11:09:28 <Guest28217> be right back
2025-10-02 11:16:39 <help_> nop no idea how to make flatpak work
2025-10-02 12:01:02 <asd> scale 1  to 10 how hard is alpine linux 
2025-10-02 12:01:04 <asd> 1000
2025-10-02 13:30:13 <rhizoome> sqrt(2)
2025-10-02 13:59:21 <invoked> for anyone else, xdg-desktop-portal is primarily for flatpak use, where flatpak can request resources for apps running in its sandbox.
2025-10-02 14:00:04 <invoked> non-flatpak cases might be where an app needs to do something like screen sharing, which is where the other backends come in, like xdg-desktop-portal-wlr
2025-10-02 14:00:29 <invoked> in that case, it's for wlroots compositors, eg sway
2025-10-02 14:17:24 <prabu> also, almost all questions asked earlier had answers in alpine wiki page for sway. i'm curious why people do not check wiki!
2025-10-02 14:17:30 <rnkn> is the gst-libav package the same as what is commonly called gst-ffmpeg?
2025-10-02 14:21:04 <lopid> https://pkgs.alpinelinux.org/package/v3.22/community/x86_64/gst-libav
2025-10-02 14:23:23 <rnkn> just looking on the gstreamer homepage and no they are different plugins
2025-10-02 14:30:59 <achill> take a look at https://gstreamer.freedesktop.org/src/gst-ffmpeg/gst-ffmpeg-1.x-README.txt
2025-10-02 14:33:34 <rnkn> achill oh
2025-10-02 14:35:20 <rnkn> thanks
2025-10-02 14:35:56 <rnkn> once you go edge there's no going back, right?
2025-10-02 14:36:27 <ikke> You can still go back to a stable release
2025-10-02 14:36:52 <ikke> Not sure though if downgrading from apkv3 to apkv2 will work well
2025-10-02 14:37:04 <ikke> I think it should, CI is doing that all the time
2025-10-02 14:37:19 <achill> yeah i also remember it being not a problem
2025-10-02 14:37:58 <rnkn> what would be the steps? del everything and start over?
2025-10-02 14:38:07 <ikke> change the repos in /etc/apk/repositories
2025-10-02 14:38:14 <ikke> run apk upgrade --available
2025-10-02 14:38:36 <rnkn> that would downgrade packages from edge to stable?
2025-10-02 14:38:55 <ikke> Yes, to the packages present in the repositories that you selected
2025-10-02 14:39:01 <rnkn> wow
2025-10-02 14:39:03 <rnkn> cool
2025-10-02 14:39:06 <rnkn> thanks
2025-10-02 14:39:51 <rnkn> it's not possible to use testing with stable, right?
2025-10-02 14:40:07 <ikke> correct
2025-10-02 14:40:13 <rnkn> cool, thanks
2025-10-02 14:40:33 <ikke> (some things may work, but they may break at any moment)
2025-10-02 15:22:50 <rodger> I'm trying to make a custom installer with Alpine 3.22 Standard. The process is: mount and extract .iso into a folder and make a copy, add an overlay file (localhost.apkovl.tar.gz) into the root of that copy with necessary files (startup script etc/local.d/installer.start, etc.), modify copy/boot/syslinux/syslinux.cfg adding "apkovl=localhost.apkovl.tar.gz" to the APPEND line in syslinux.cfg, and rebuilding .iso with xorriso.
2025-10-02 15:22:56 <rodger> Does that seem sane or am I way off base? It doesn't appear the overlay is getting applied to the filesystem at all.
2025-10-02 16:00:45 <cousin_luigi> 
ACTION is encountering some difficulty in porting interface definitions from ifupdown to ifupdown-ng

2025-10-02 16:02:21 <rhizoome> rodger: there are many ways to customize things. for example mkimg is an interesting read: https://gitlab.alpinelinux.org/alpine/aports/-/tree/master/scripts?ref_type=heads
2025-10-02 16:04:54 <rhizoome> or this person has documented ways to customize: https://words.filippo.io/frood/
2025-10-02 16:07:32 <rodger> Thank you, rhizoome .. I'll bookmark those and read up
2025-10-02 16:07:55 <rhizoome> rodger: also alpine will load apkovl automatically. you can check this https://gitlab.alpinelinux.org/alpine/mkinitfs/-/blob/master/nlplug-findfs/nlplug-findfs.c?ref_type=heads#L902
2025-10-02 16:10:43 <rodger> Got that one, too. Thanks for the bread crumbs .. gotta run the kiddos to gymnastics
2025-10-02 16:22:31 <rhizoome> I usually get inspiration from the mkinitfs repo: https://gitlab.alpinelinux.org/alpine/mkinitfs/. you can see what is already possible and often get more information on the wiki, once you know what the feature or config is called.
2025-10-02 16:43:02 <l0rd_hex_> 
2025-10-02 23:08:42 <systemdlete> so I have changed my approach from last visit...  Now I am using the encrypt entire disk approach, but I can't get past the passphrase prompt.  It DOES ask me for the passphrase this time.  Trouble is, it won't accept the pass phrase.  I know the passphrase is good because if I boot wiht a rescue CD and luksOpen the rootfs I can successfully open it and my LVs all appear, after which I can 
2025-10-02 23:08:42 <systemdlete> mount them etc.
2025-10-02 23:09:33 <systemdlete> First off, I note there is a -e option to setup-disk--I've tried that and it did not seem to make any difference.
2025-10-02 23:10:27 <systemdlete> And I should mention, I am trying (hard!) to follow the directions on the wiki for LVM on LUKS.  
2025-10-02 23:11:50 <systemdlete> This is not my first time installing alpine, but it is the first time I attempted encryption.
2025-10-02 23:12:54 <systemdlete> I am using the lastest virt image from the alpine repo 3.22.1
2025-10-02 23:13:01 <jn> systemdlete: might be a silly question, but have you checked that the keybord layout is the same everywhere?
2025-10-02 23:13:11 <systemdlete> hmmm.  
2025-10-02 23:13:40 <systemdlete> well, when creating the boot image with the setup script, I choose US US.
2025-10-02 23:14:20 <systemdlete> jn, not a silly question. I did notice some advisories about keyboard layouts being inconsistent causing problems,so thank you for that
2025-10-02 23:14:51 <jn> glad to help :)
2025-10-02 23:14:52 <systemdlete> AFAIK, I do not (intentionally) change the keyboard layout
2025-10-02 23:15:07 <systemdlete> how can I check/
2025-10-02 23:15:09 <systemdlete> ?
2025-10-02 23:15:35 <jn> i'm not very familiar with the alpine initramfs, do you get a shell after the decryption fails?
2025-10-02 23:15:51 <systemdlete> I get a grub rescue shell, if that's what you mean
2025-10-02 23:16:02 <jn> ah, no
2025-10-02 23:16:16 <jn> or... maybe?
2025-10-02 23:16:42 <jn> oh, is this the mode where grub decrypts the disk before the kernel is loaded?
2025-10-02 23:16:43 <systemdlete> the rescue shell is almost useless, as it supports only a handful of commands.
2025-10-02 23:17:17 <systemdlete> not sure, but probably.  The grub boot drops me immediately into a prompt for the passphrase.
2025-10-02 23:17:34 <systemdlete> I think it is likely that is the mode
2025-10-02 23:20:16 <systemdlete> I'm starting to consider dropping grub and GPT altogether and just go with a simple syslinux+BIOS boot...   I've been at this for a week now and can't seem to make it work.
2025-10-02 23:21:21 <systemdlete> The GNU grub docs seem to be out of date.  E.g., the page illustrating the use of grub-mkiso does not seem to reflect how it is actually used.  The current command has more options, and works differently.
2025-10-02 23:21:44 <systemdlete> (maybe more damage from systemd's incursion into everything in the ecosystem)
2025-10-02 23:22:13 <systemdlete> point is, I can't seem to produce a working ISO.  file(1) says the .iso file is just "data"
2025-10-02 23:22:57 <systemdlete> so I can't easily boot into the VM to see wtf is going on (or not).   I have systemrescuecd, but that probably won't tell me what is wrong with my specific setup.
2025-10-02 23:27:14 <systemdlete> from the landing page:  "Alpine Linux is a security-oriented, lightweight Linux distribution based on musl libc and busybox."  So I should not expect all sorts of features I guess.
2025-10-02 23:28:00 <systemdlete> (i.e., it is SUPPOSED to be a bit on the bare-bones side I think)
2025-10-02 23:28:46 <systemdlete> and grub's problems are not alpine's charge.  So I think I am going to give up the ghost here and try a simple syslinux+BIOS boot.
2025-10-02 23:29:50 <systemdlete> That way, I can follow the page more closely and not worry about the particulars of my setup.  Later on, I can come back and revisit this.  I need to get this VM working asap, and I've spent a lot more time on this than I'd hoped.
2025-10-02 23:30:40 <systemdlete> Don't get me wrong by reading all of this.  I think alpine is quite nice, and a huge relief from the systemd world, which has turned linux into a monstrosity.
2025-10-02 23:46:57 <jn> sorry, was AFK for a bit
2025-10-02 23:47:51 <jn> anyway: once you get the grub shell, you could test your password there (with regards to the keyboard layout) by entering it on the command shell
2025-10-02 23:48:00 <jn> which may or may not help
2025-10-03 01:46:27 <systemdlete> jn:  some noise here... anyway, what commands do I give the grub shell to test the password?  The grub rescue shell seems to be extremely limited in terms of what you can do there.
2025-10-03 07:01:13 <rnkn> I may have overwritten /etc/acpi.map, where can I find the alpine original?
2025-10-03 07:01:19 <rnkn> or is it part of linux?
2025-10-03 07:02:14 <fission> hmm I don't have one of those
2025-10-03 07:06:19 <rnkn> ah cool, so I didn't overwrite it
2025-10-03 07:06:42 <rnkn> out of interest, which repo contains alpine's /etc files?
2025-10-03 07:07:07 <fission> normally you can figure out where a particular file comes from with a search like: https://pkgs.alpinelinux.org/contents
2025-10-03 07:07:48 <fission> eg you can search for sysctl.conf which says that the package that drops it is alpine-baselayout-data 
2025-10-03 07:07:58 <quinq> This file would be used by busybox's acpid
2025-10-03 07:08:07 <fission> quinq: if it exists
2025-10-03 07:08:23 <fission> I don't have one
2025-10-03 07:08:26 <fission> and I'm running acpid
2025-10-03 07:08:35 <quinq> As its name suggests, it's for mapping acpi events to names
2025-10-03 07:09:10 <quinq> AFAIK it's not provided by any package, so if you overwrote it, you overwrote your own work
2025-10-03 07:09:29 <fission> (or you never had one)
2025-10-03 07:10:18 <quinq> As for the other question, there's not a single package providing /etc files, rather each software that needs a /etc file usually provides its own file(s)
2025-10-03 07:10:43 <quinq> There is apk info that can help there, with its -W option
2025-10-03 07:11:26 <rnkn> I did indeed write it, I just didn't think to check if there was a system one beforehand
2025-10-03 07:11:46 <rnkn> (I can now toggle my keyboard backlight on/off)
2025-10-03 07:12:14 <quinq> nice
2025-10-03 07:21:57 <divVerent1> Is cups-driverd segfaulting when selecting a driver for a new printer a known issue?
2025-10-03 07:22:55 <divVerent1> for now I managed to workaround by uninstalling cups-filters, adding the printer with a gutenprint driver (which didn't work), reinstalling cups-filters and setting it to IPP Anywhere driver
2025-10-03 07:23:15 <divVerent1> no idea why changing driver of an existing printer does not segfault, but take that as a eorkaround
2025-10-03 07:23:21 <divVerent1> s/eorkaround/workaround/
2025-10-03 07:26:33 <divVerent1> also, TIL IPP Anywhere works over USB
2025-10-03 07:27:16 <divVerent1> (it's a Lexmark CS310n color laser printer)
2025-10-03 09:25:18 <rnkn> if I'm using networkmanager I don't need wpa_supplicant right?
2025-10-03 09:28:28 <rnkn> deleted, seems to be okay
2025-10-03 10:11:06 <cousin_luigi> Good morning. I've set up alpine linux as router, but compared to debian 12 it loses 400-500Mbps of throughput. top doesn't show anything maxing out, quite the contrary.
2025-10-03 10:11:19 <cousin_luigi> Where could I look first?
2025-10-03 10:14:52 <longnoserob[m]> check if the network devices are confiflgured correctly?
2025-10-03 10:18:50 <cousin_luigi> longnoserob[m]: What does it mean, correctly?
2025-10-03 10:18:55 <cousin_luigi> They work...
2025-10-03 10:19:21 <cousin_luigi> I copied the configuration almost straight from debian, had just to adapt the syntax. No special module options required.
2025-10-03 10:19:33 <cousin_luigi> Right now I'm looking at the kernel configuration
2025-10-03 10:19:56 <lopid> same mtu, etc?
2025-10-03 10:20:01 <longnoserob[m]> could be sth like missing jumbo frames..
2025-10-03 10:26:42 <cousin_luigi> hmmm
2025-10-03 10:29:48 <cousin_luigi> The thing that leaves me perplexed the most is that ksoftirqd goes up to 99% on debian and the fan goes nuts. On alpine it's 27% at the most.
2025-10-03 10:30:25 <cousin_luigi> It's a low-power machine, mind you. I could not see anything strange with the network, but perhaps I'm looking in the wrong places.
2025-10-03 10:31:01 <cousin_luigi> There is no hardware offloading in this hardware, anyway.
2025-10-03 11:12:31 <elagost> I usr-merged my year-old edge installation and it went well, but when I run `mkinitfs` I get the following, is this expected?: cpio: usr/bin/busybox not created: newer or same age file exists; cpio: usr/lib/ld-musl-x86_64.so.1 not created: newer or same age file exists
2025-10-03 11:25:31 <rnkn> okay it seems that I do need wpa_supplicant
2025-10-03 11:43:37 <elagost> rnkn: if you pull in networkmanager-wifi it should depend on wpa_supplicant or iwd.
2025-10-03 11:45:30 <tokyovigilante> achill: have pushed the cmus/ffmpeg 8 MR, was not a massive patch... https://gitlab.alpinelinux.org/alpine/aports/-/merge_requests/91007
2025-10-03 11:45:41 <tokyovigilante> also, survived the usr-merge it seems
2025-10-03 12:46:45 <Sertonix[m]> [@_oftc_elagost:matrix.org](https://matrix.to/#/@_oftc_elagost:matrix.org) Could you open an issue for this?
2025-10-03 13:39:24 <elagost> Sertonix[m]: made one here https://gitlab.alpinelinux.org/alpine/mkinitfs/-/issues/88
2025-10-03 19:30:23 <cousin_luigi> How come doas replies "operation not permitted" to pretty much every command? When I log in with that user, I encounter no such limitations
2025-10-03 19:33:47 <Sertonix[m]> Maybe you have prevented suid binaries in some way?
2025-10-03 19:37:11 <cousin_luigi> Sertonix[m]: I have a really vague notion of that.
2025-10-03 19:37:21 <cousin_luigi> How could I find out?
2025-10-03 19:42:45 <ikke> check if your filesystem is mounted with nosuid for example
2025-10-03 19:43:39 <Sertonix[m]> stat /usr/bin/doas should include (4755/. And mount | grep nosuid shouldn't list the mount point of the doas binary
2025-10-03 19:44:36 <Sertonix[m]> Hm, I think the error message would actually be different then.
2025-10-03 19:51:28 <cousin_luigi> ikke: udev, sys and proc are. / is not.
2025-10-03 19:51:55 <cousin_luigi> Sertonix[m]: Access: (4755/-rwsr-xr-x)  Uid: (    0/    root)   Gid: (    0/    root)
2025-10-03 19:52:38 <ikke> then suid should not be the issue
2025-10-03 19:52:56 <ikke> What does your doas config look like?
2025-10-03 20:10:15 <argy_> I'm trying to do a Diskless alpine installation in a usb drive. Noticed that when trying to update-kernel I get some readonly errors. I'm wondering if I should just remount the partition in rw mode  or I'm missing something in the way I prepared the boot device.
2025-10-03 21:01:23 <cousin_luigi> ikke: default, there's nothing in /etc/doas.conf
2025-10-03 21:15:13 <ikke> and /etc/doas.d/*?
2025-10-03 23:33:29 <Takoda[m]> Did upstream busybox get rid of ash's interactive features, or is it an Alpine configuration? I changed my repo to edge and was met with an unpleasant surprise.
2025-10-03 23:37:00 <p_6f3Ik7Suw> TakodaOS[m]: questions like these can be easily answered by looking at the aports git repo and the (git)history of the package you have issues with.
2025-10-03 23:48:30 <TakodaOS[m]> Nevermind, I found the problem. During the update, /bin/sh got symlinked to dash. So I need to chsh to /usr/bin/ash
2025-10-03 23:52:09 <TakodaOS[m]> But I haven't installed dash. When I try to remove it, it's saying it's a dependency of every single program I listed in my world file; that's obviously not true
2025-10-04 00:03:33 <TakodaOS[m]> When you search dash-binsh on the pkgs website it lists 810 packages as "Required by"; I can't find anything in the git logs about this. When I go to a package listed on there and check its APKBUILD (examples: cups and keepassxc), it doesn't mention dash or dash-binsh at all
2025-10-04 00:05:04 <TakodaOS[m]> I doubt this was intentional
2025-10-04 00:06:21 <TakodaOS[m]> the dash packages also just so happened to be built within the last 24 hours
2025-10-04 00:19:06 <TakodaOS[m]> Okay, so I learned the reason for this is that something needs to be symlinked to /bin/sh, and it chose dash-binsh over busybox-binsh. I don't want dash, I want busybox ash to be symlinked to /bin/sh. But when I try installing busybox-binsh it complains that it conflicts with dash-binsh
2025-10-04 00:25:12 <TakodaOS[m]> To remind you, this only happened when I updated my repositories to edge and upgraded. busybox ash was already symlinked to /bin/sh beforehand.
2025-10-04 01:06:24 <TakodaOS[m]> I'm at a loss here. 
2025-10-04 01:06:24 <TakodaOS[m]> `apk --force-broken-world -s add busybox-binsh` says that it would purge most of my system.
2025-10-04 01:06:24 <TakodaOS[m]> `apk -s` says yash-binsh can be installed just fine.
2025-10-04 01:06:24 <TakodaOS[m]> I tried to compile the busybox-binsh package myself to see if I could modify the priority value to fix it. But busybox compilation doesn't even work with /bin/sh set to dash so I had to `ln -f`. Either way, modifying the priority value does nothing.
2025-10-04 01:14:15 <Sheila> TakodaOS[m]: `apk del dash-binsh; apk add busybox-binsh`
2025-10-04 01:14:32 <Sheila> you need to do it this exact way for it to do what you want.
2025-10-04 01:15:53 <TakodaOS[m]> Does not work. Says "unable to select packages" and complains busybox-binsh and dash-binsh conflict with eachother
2025-10-04 01:16:52 <Sheila> yes, because you already broke it with `--force-broken-world` etc.
2025-10-04 01:17:09 <TakodaOS[m]> I ran it with -s as non-root. It shouldn't have done anything.
2025-10-04 01:18:25 <TakodaOS[m]> The command you specified was the first thing I tried when I discovered this problem. Only when it did not work that I have been troubleshooting it further
2025-10-04 01:34:23 <TakodaOS[m]> I started up a VM with the virtual kernel on the Alpine Linux website. All I did was start networking, install dash-binsh, and try to reinstall busybox-binsh. Extremely similar problem
2025-10-04 01:34:32 <TakodaOS[m]> I should probably file a bug
2025-10-04 01:36:02 <Sheila> `apk del dash-binsh; apk add busybox-binsh` needs to be a single line, exactly as is. alternatively, edit /etc/apk/world appropriately and run `apk fix`.
2025-10-04 01:42:22 <TakodaOS[m]> That works in the VM, but it does not work on my machine.
2025-10-04 01:44:17 <Sheila> <Sheila> yes, because you already broke it with `--force-broken-world` etc. 
2025-10-04 01:46:25 <TakodaOS[m]> I already told you the --force-broken-world was simulated. If I truly did do that, most of my packages would have been purged.
2025-10-04 01:48:48 <Sheila> okay, and editing /etc/apk/world?
2025-10-04 01:49:45 <TakodaOS[m]> I will try that.
2025-10-04 01:52:36 <TakodaOS[m]> busybox in /etc/apk/world had an explicit version declaration, a remnant from around two months ago where I was experimenting with compiling it with custom options. Removing it fixed the problem! Sorry for the fuss.
2025-10-04 01:53:16 <Sheila> 's all right. :)
2025-10-04 08:00:24 <Odor> Does anyone have any suggestions on where to go from here: did a normal apk update && upgrade, on the 3rd (gmt+10) (edge repository) it appears the usr merge was pushed which broke wifi, the iwlwifi kernel driver and its ucodes nolonger appear on the system any where resulting in wpa supplicant not starting.. Is reinstalling linux-firmware package via another system download (not readily available for me) my only option?
2025-10-04 08:57:11 <qaqland> apkbuild is already in vim, but its commentstring is wrong on my system :( https://github.com/vim/vim/commit/7cb24917a112ba473cb351bdcdc48b8adbd46793
2025-10-04 09:00:04 <quinq> Odor, IIRC it was fixed upstream, you'd just have to wait for it to be integrated in alpine
2025-10-04 09:28:10 <cousin_luigi> So, I'm trying to compile a custom kernel for alpine. I copied the APKBUILD from community/linux-edge and the .config from another distro. Set the same kernel version in the APKBUILD as the .config, but after abuild -rK I get asked to reconfigure the blessed thing. Any ideas on what might be causing this?
2025-10-04 10:12:28 <holgersson> cousin_luigi: Do both kernels have some and maybe different patches ontop of vanilla linux? It's just a wild guess, but the questions you get might be related to patched stuff.
2025-10-04 10:33:53 <cousin_luigi> holgersson: I adapted the APKBUILD from linux-lts and it's building now, but it was probably something else. Perhaps I should have deleted the src folder before retrying, I'm still new to abuild.
2025-10-04 10:37:36 <holgersson> cousin_luigi: ah, OK :)
2025-10-04 13:10:59 <WhyNotHugo> cousin_luigi: were both kernels the same version?
2025-10-04 13:11:38 <cousin_luigi> WhyNotHugo: Yes. I had to use the APKBUILD from lts to make it build, but it could not find Module.symvers in the end.
2025-10-04 14:24:24 <WhyNotHugo> _something_ is pulling in gnome-keyring, but I can't understand what.
2025-10-04 14:24:32 <WhyNotHugo> apk del gnome-keyring -> gnome-keyring: docs font-manager file-roller poedit luakit gnucash tokodon
2025-10-04 14:24:39 <WhyNotHugo> But none of those depend on this package
2025-10-04 14:24:49 <WhyNotHugo> They do depend on dbus:org.freedesktop.Secrets, which is provided by himitsu-secret-service
2025-10-04 14:25:31 <achill> what is apk add !gnome-keyring telling you?
2025-10-04 14:25:48 <WhyNotHugo> That removed it
2025-10-04 14:26:20 <WhyNotHugo> Removing that entry from /etc/apk/world followed by `apk fix` keeps it uninstalled.
2025-10-04 14:26:48 <achill> 🤷
2025-10-04 19:42:22 <p_6f3Ik7Suw> i'm doing "cryptsetup luksOpen <dev> disk", and this creates /dev/mapper/disk but i also get a message in syslog: 03> udevd[28403]: conflicting device node '/dev/mapper/disk' found, link to '/dev/dm-11' will not be created
2025-10-04 19:43:33 <p_6f3Ik7Suw> on this disk, there is a gpt part table, and the partitions are not mapped in dev mapper. only if i run "partprobe /dev/mapper/disk" it maps them, but then i get similar messages as the above "conflicting device node..."
2025-10-04 19:44:03 <p_6f3Ik7Suw> this is new behaviour, previously this worked without syslog msgs and manual partprobe
2025-10-04 19:44:10 <p_6f3Ik7Suw> any ideas what could go wrong?
2025-10-04 23:59:53 <Sertonix[m]> Maybe you tried to open the same device twice?
2025-10-05 00:09:15 <swee> Is it possible to install an older version of Dovecot? (I'm migrating my debian install to alpine and the old setup uses dovecot 2.3)
2025-10-05 00:22:27 <p_6f3Ik7Suw> no i didn't try to open the same device without closing it before trying again (and with a different dm name)
2025-10-05 03:59:31 <invoked> swee: you can switch to alpine 3.21
2025-10-05 04:00:07 <invoked> that would give you dovecot-2.3.21.1
2025-10-05 04:02:11 <invoked> the switch to 2.4 was kind of annoying, but once you do it, you don't need to think about it
2025-10-05 04:02:58 <invoked> (afterwards). but going back to 2.3 would be similarly painful if you don't back up your configs
2025-10-05 07:34:26 <rnkn> is there any impediment to packaging rust programs?
2025-10-05 07:35:06 <rnkn> I want to submit a package request for a program written in rust(tm)
2025-10-05 07:35:26 <longnoserob[m]> https://wiki.alpinelinux.org/wiki/APKBUILD_examples:Rust
2025-10-05 07:37:11 <rnkn> longnoserob[m] ty
2025-10-05 16:40:44 <Kolev> Hi. I'd like to have an Alpine install that doesn't touch my computer's internal disk and runs off a USB, but I don't want to do a conventional install, as that wears out the USB and makes the system slow. Is there something I can do? I hear Diskless install might be what I want, but I'm not sure.
2025-10-05 16:41:22 <Kolev> Another issue with a conventional install on a USB is you can't take the USB out of the computer; that can currupt the install.
2025-10-05 16:41:26 <ikke> Kolev: A diskless installation runs from memory
2025-10-05 16:41:50 <ikke> Once booted, and you stop the modloop service, you can safely remove the USB drive
2025-10-05 16:49:12 <Kolev> Nice. Is there a way to partition the boot device so that it can hold normal files, like the apkovl? And is it bad to put $HOME in apkovl? I read that apkovl files are public.
2025-10-05 16:50:05 <ikke> Kolev: If you use setup-bootable, the filesystem on the usb disk will be writable (dd-ing the image not, since it's isofs). 
2025-10-05 16:51:17 <Kolev> Nice. Thanks.
2025-10-05 17:38:20 <cousin_luigi> Kolev: I did that recently.
2025-10-05 17:38:45 <cousin_luigi> Kolev: I installed alpine in a vm under virtualbox.
2025-10-05 17:39:22 <cousin_luigi> Then moved it to my router and configured it to boot from it. Well, it's only temporary, but it can be made permanent. Not sure what your requirements are.
2025-10-05 17:39:51 <Kolev> I want to daily drive a diskless Alpine install.
2025-10-05 17:41:38 <cousin_luigi> Kolev: I'm not sure what diskless means in this instance. No data written to disk?
2025-10-05 17:42:35 <Kolev> The diskless install option. "None" in setup-alpine.
2025-10-05 17:44:24 <cousin_luigi> Oh. Never tried that myself.
2025-10-05 18:19:50 <Kolev> OK, just used setup-bootable.
2025-10-06 02:49:47 <swee> got this error from postfix
2025-10-06 02:49:47 <swee> warning: unsupported dictionary type: hash. Is the postfix-hash package installed?
2025-10-06 02:49:47 <swee> but that package doesn't exist, is it under a different name on alpine?
2025-10-06 03:34:18 <longnoserob[m]> is the aarch64 edge builder somehow stuck? dont see any change since hours
2025-10-06 03:35:16 <mio> longnoserob[m]: not stuck, temporary network issue
2025-10-06 03:36:16 <mio> upstream already notified, awaiting resolution
2025-10-06 03:36:21 <longnoserob[m]> oh ok..
2025-10-06 03:38:53 <longnoserob[m]> mio: good to know
2025-10-06 04:42:25 <y3q0n> hey
2025-10-06 04:44:45 <zcrayfish> hay
2025-10-06 11:54:23 <donoban> hi guys, anyone running qutebrowser on edge? I noticed it doesn't renders anything on two different machines
2025-10-06 11:54:38 <donoban> it says many messages like: "11:50:59 WARNING: Backend texture is not a Vulkan texture."
2025-10-06 11:55:11 <donoban> chromium works fine so I suppose that it's qtwebengine
2025-10-06 12:45:54 <mio> donoban: possibly related to !91116
2025-10-06 12:50:08 <donoban> oh I see thanks
2025-10-06 18:56:17 <WhyNotHugo> I performed a system upgrade today and apk reinstalled gnome-keyring, AGAIN. `apk del` refused to delete it, but `apk add !gnome-keyring` removed it.
2025-10-06 18:56:35 <WhyNotHugo> Removing `!gnome-keyring` from /etc/apk/world and then `apk-fix` doesn't re-install it— same as yesterday.
2025-10-06 18:56:43 <WhyNotHugo> But apparenlty, when the system upgrade, apk installs it again.
2025-10-06 18:58:24 <ikke> WhyNotHugo: what was the output of apk del gnome-keyring?
2025-10-06 18:58:57 <WhyNotHugo> gnome-keyring: docs font-manager file-roller poedit luakit gnucash tokodon
2025-10-06 18:58:59 <ikke> WhyNotHugo: apk-tools gained some heuristics where adding or deleting a package influences that package install decissions
2025-10-06 19:07:47 <ikke> WhyNotHugo: does `apk query --installed --match provides dbus:org.freedesktop.Secrets` return something?
2025-10-06 19:08:11 <WhyNotHugo>  himitsu-secret-service  keepassxc kwallet
2025-10-06 19:08:26 <WhyNotHugo> (only the first two intentionally installed)
2025-10-06 19:11:01 <ikke> WhyNotHugo: when you do the upgrade, is anything being purged?
2025-10-06 19:11:58 <WhyNotHugo> I don't have the output any more.
2025-10-06 21:55:17 <Sertonix[m]> Maybe check the apk logs?
2025-10-06 22:00:32 <Sertonix[m]> ikke: The recent change was to make apk del have less effect.
2025-10-07 07:54:00 <rnkn> is there a way to run alpine linux with asahi on apple silicon?
2025-10-07 07:57:04 <Sheila> rnkn: there are some asahi-related packages, e.g. asahi-audio, so I would presume so.
2025-10-07 07:57:53 <ikke> You can ask mps in #alpine-arm
2025-10-07 09:23:42 <qaqland> -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 2014 Sep 23 21:10 ktelnetservice6.desktop
2025-10-07 09:24:09 <qaqland> just find this file has "+x", it's from kio package
2025-10-07 09:26:45 <grawity> it's not uncommon for .desktop files to be +x, various GUI file managers used to use it as an "launch when double-clicked" marker
2025-10-07 11:54:08 <Sertonix[m]> But not when they are located in /usr/share/applications: https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/.desktop_files
2025-10-07 11:59:57 <WhyNotHugo> ikke: Yeah, that upgrade did purge some packages: https://paste.sr.ht/blob/674505ca8bde1433eb018a0e026cefe5594660cd
2025-10-07 12:00:09 <WhyNotHugo> Completely forgot about the apk log
2025-10-07 21:58:44 <el[m]> https://gitlab.alpinelinux.org/alpine/aports/-/issues/17594 does somebody know how to get windows 11 in a virt-manager VM on ARM64 to work? the default template seems to be buggy
2025-10-08 06:16:37 <moriya> hello, don't 'apk.static' downloads work on https://gitlab.alpinelinux.org/alpine/apk-tools?
2025-10-08 07:36:45 <oleovit> hi, short question: a busyxox upgrade led to errors: "busybox-1.37.0-r24.post-upgrade: rm: cannot remove '/usr/bin/arch': No such file or directory." .. this happened for every busybox tool in /usr/bin/ until 'zcip.' was this post-upgrade supposed to 'rm' these 'tools' in my /usr/bin/?
2025-10-08 07:44:53 <oleovit> .. i guess these are symbolic links to /bin/busybox .. 
2025-10-08 10:30:56 <WhyNotHugo> oleovit: I saw the same error yesterday, thought it was a fluke.
2025-10-08 10:34:35 <WhyNotHugo> `abuild rootbld` fails for any package with `ln: /home/hugo/src/gitlab.alpinelinux.org/alpine/aports/testing/tofu-ls/src/tofu-ls-0.0.9.tar.gz: File exists` (exact path depends on package)
2025-10-08 10:34:55 <WhyNotHugo> abuild-3.15.0-r5
2025-10-08 10:35:50 <WhyNotHugo> Obviousy the path didn't exist _before_  running `abuild rootbld`; I evn ran `git clean -xdf` first.
2025-10-08 11:07:18 <el[m]> <el[m]> "https://gitlab.alpinelinux.org/..." <- still looking for ideas regarding a windows 11 virt-manager VM
2025-10-08 11:57:36 <hsp> I get the following message during the upgrade. Do I have to do something myself, or will it happen at some point?
2025-10-08 11:57:43 <hsp> usr_merge_nag.sh: * WARNING: The current system is not /usr-merged. You are encouraged to
2025-10-08 11:57:45 <hsp> usr_merge_nag.sh: * migrate manually to ensure the best-possible support. See
2025-10-08 11:57:47 <hsp> usr_merge_nag.sh: * https://alpinelinux.org/posts/2025-10-01-usr-merge.html for more details
2025-10-08 12:03:06 <ikke> hsp: you will have to do something yourself for existing systems
2025-10-08 12:03:27 <ikke> You don't have to do it right now, but at some point you will
2025-10-08 12:04:08 <hsp> And what do I have to do? I'm not entirely sure.
2025-10-08 12:05:18 <hsp> ikke, ^^
2025-10-08 12:24:51 <pj> if you go the the post link, it actually explains that
2025-10-08 12:44:35 <hsp> thanks ... done
2025-10-08 13:16:37 <ikke> great 
2025-10-08 16:18:43 <el[m]> has anybody here ever tested virt-manager on ARM64 and is it working for them?
2025-10-08 18:17:45 <nanon> 📯 https://alpinelinux.org/posts/Alpine-3.19.9-3.20.8-3.21.5-3.22.2-released.html
2025-10-08 19:35:56 <Noisytoot1> can anyone else reproduce https://gitlab.alpinelinux.org/alpine/aports/-/issues/17596 (audio/video not working in firefox/librewolf)?
2025-10-08 20:17:22 <Kolev> Noisytoot1: there's librewolf? <3
2025-10-08 20:27:38 <ssm> <can anyone else reproduce> bruh I'm *nix user I signed off on being able to do that when I joined
2025-10-08 21:08:40 <Saijin_Naib[m]> LibreWolf seems similar in intent to Fennec on mobile, is that correct?
2025-10-08 21:09:06 <Saijin_Naib[m]> If so, I might need to dogfood it for family usage
2025-10-08 21:10:47 <invoked> no. librewolf disables a lot of stuff that fennec leaves in
2025-10-08 21:10:56 <invoked> it's more privacy oriented
2025-10-08 21:11:50 <invoked> sorry, let me correct that. i had a stroke, or something. it is similar to fennec, yes
2025-10-08 21:12:54 <Saijin_Naib[m]> Haha, alright, so like Fennec, but taken further
2025-10-08 21:13:09 <Saijin_Naib[m]> Not to the point of causing site breakages like TOR, though, right?
2025-10-08 21:13:11 <invoked> maybe. i'm not sure what fennec does with respect to fingerprinting, if anything
2025-10-08 21:13:31 <Saijin_Naib[m]> From what I understand, it does a bit, but I am not sure how much
2025-10-08 21:13:36 <quinq> Noisytoot1, worksforme© (librewolf)
2025-10-08 21:13:49 <Saijin_Naib[m]> Mostly I use it as an at least better choice with no downsides for my family's usage
2025-10-08 21:13:57 <Saijin_Naib[m]> TOR browser breaks sites too much for me to use it for them
2025-10-08 21:14:11 <invoked> i'd argue it's the sites that are broken
2025-10-08 21:14:24 <Saijin_Naib[m]> So, I have to find that fine balance of better than default, but still "easy" and usable widely without needing my intervention
2025-10-08 21:14:32 <quinq> Yeah, some websites are broken on librewolf
2025-10-08 21:14:46 <Saijin_Naib[m]> Oh, no, I agree, but that's pissing into the wind for 99.99% of them, and when you need to use those sites...
2025-10-08 21:15:10 <Saijin_Naib[m]> I just end up with angry family members who can't do what they want/need and it is my fault
2025-10-08 21:15:13 <quinq> Any derivation from no-holds-barred RCE engine usually breaks
2025-10-08 21:15:32 <Saijin_Naib[m]> Switching everyone to Alpine from Windows was already a big ask haha
2025-10-08 21:15:46 <quinq> That's quite a respectable feat thoguh
2025-10-08 21:16:46 <invoked> librewolf will fail on some sites (with a default config) but the vast majority will work.
2025-10-08 21:19:12 <Saijin_Naib[m]> Hm, okay. Time to dogfood haha
2025-10-08 21:19:16 <Saijin_Naib[m]> Thanks for the feedback on it
2025-10-08 21:23:21 <pj> firefox will also do that if you configure the protection but it also provides a list of exceptions for major websites to avoid breaking them
2025-10-08 22:00:38 <invoked> Saijin_Naib[m]: the name of the feature is RFP (resist fingerprinting), which was originally in tor-browser but uplifted into firefox at some point years ago.
2025-10-08 22:01:10 <invoked> if you search librewolf's issue list (closed or otherwise) on codeberg for 'rfp' you can get some idea of where that can cause problems
2025-10-08 22:01:50 <invoked> arguably though, it's still sites that are usually the antagonist, not the browser.
2025-10-08 22:19:24 <Noisytoot1> quinq: are you on the latest alpine edge x86_64 too?
2025-10-08 22:29:12 <Saijin_Naib[m]> @invoked thank you! I'm reading into it now. It seems likely my family will want it off, at which point I'm not sure if LibreWolf is still incrementally better than how Alpine ships FFX
2025-10-08 22:29:30 <Saijin_Naib[m]> Better being more private/secure
2025-10-08 22:59:29 <el[m]> <el[m]> "https://gitlab.alpinelinux.org/..." <- am i lucky enough that somebody is around now who knows how to get virt-manager to work on arm64 alpine?
2025-10-08 23:03:54 <Saijin_Naib[m]> Not arm, but fir my x86_64 systems, I had to follow the full guide for services to run, groups to be in, croups, and then, I had to enable OpenRC threaded/concurrent boot, or something initialized wrong and libvirt/qemu/virt-manager all broke
2025-10-08 23:04:04 <Saijin_Naib[m]> Parallel boot
2025-10-08 23:05:23 <el[m]> Saijin_Naib[m]: thanks for the input! i'm using a system libvirt session so i dont think any groups are needed. i'm not creating a user session VM
2025-10-08 23:05:43 <el[m]> something about the graphics setup just seems to be wrong with alpine's virt-manager on ARM64, but i'm not sure how to fix it
2025-10-08 23:06:05 <el[m]> * on ARM64, possibly limited to the windows 11 template, but i'm
2025-10-08 23:09:28 <Saijin_Naib[m]> Corruption? No output?
2025-10-08 23:43:21 <el[m]> <Saijin_Naib[m]> "Corruption? No output?" <- yeah, i added screenshots here: https://gitlab.alpinelinux.org/alpine/aports/-/issues/17594
2025-10-09 05:39:36 <ayex[m]> has anybody successfully run the usr-merge for alpine running under wsl2? there when I do a dryrun... (full message at <https://matrix.org/oftc/media/v1/media/download/AfDwkzEo1kUdzHablL4fWq-0ZTJjTlXKjF-20YAmMkHLb86IG5ZgkZyCAXGC9gyOzhxOWsAhQ6i8ZuV4nzfOiw9CeaD5RsQAAG1hdHJpeC5vcmcvTVFORFFZclJvZ0lsTEhNVUxNUVFUdFFT>)
2025-10-09 05:46:11 <ikke> ayex[m]: #17586
2025-10-09 07:28:15 <Sertonix[m]> [@saijin_naib:matrix.org](https://matrix.to/#/@saijin_naib:matrix.org) RFP is not the only fingerprinting protection in librewolf (or to be more percise in firefox and turned on in librewolf by default). I tend to be delayed with librewolf upgrades which could be considered less secure.
2025-10-09 08:54:38 <as400> Guys, I just wanted to upgrade my Edge install today and apk wants to install all kinds of strange firmware packages. Like linux-firmware-matrox and others. Anyone knows why ?
2025-10-09 09:11:08 <ncopa> linux- kernel package has a dependency of any linux-firmware, so that you can apk add linux-firmware-xyz, the exact firmware packages you need, or linux-firmware-none, and no other firware package will be pulled in
2025-10-09 09:11:32 <ncopa> if you don't apk add specific linux-firmware pakages, it will pull in all firwmare packages
2025-10-09 09:11:58 <ncopa> check if you have any linux-firmware in /etc/apk/world
2025-10-09 09:12:06 <ncopa> grep linux-firmware /etc/apk/world
2025-10-09 09:12:17 <ncopa> if not, it is expected to pull in everything
2025-10-09 09:22:00 <as400> ncopa: in /etc/apk/world I have: linux-firmware-cirrus,linux-firmware-i915,linux-firmware-intel,linux-firmware-lenovo,linux-firmware-other,linux-firmware-rtl_bt. So it should not pulling other firmware packages, right ?
2025-10-09 09:22:55 <ncopa> it shouldnt. sounds like something happened in apk-tools
2025-10-09 09:25:40 <ncopa> what kernels do you have installed?
2025-10-09 09:30:10 <as400> I only have three self compiled kernels installed. It happens to me for the first time that apk wants to pull in all of these firmware packages. I also have linux-headers package installed - maybe this is the culprit ?
2025-10-09 09:44:06 <as400> ncopa: self-replying here a bit. No linux-headers is not to blame here. It has no deps.
2025-10-09 09:46:40 <ncopa> yeah, linux-headers is irrelevant. I don't know what pulls in the linux-firmware packages then
2025-10-09 09:52:45 <ikke> ncopa: would it make sense to provide an apk-tools subpackage with solver debug print enabled? 
2025-10-09 09:53:27 <ncopa> dunno. maybe
2025-10-09 09:53:49 <as400> ncopa: thx anyway. Adding linux-firmware-none prevents apk from pulling all firmware packages.
2025-10-09 09:55:54 <ncopa> then I think apk-tools works as expected
2025-10-09 10:38:50 <ayex[m]> <ikke> "ayex: #17586" <- thank you for the link! 🙂
2025-10-09 10:57:50 <Saijin_Naib[m]> @Sertonix ahh, okay. It's a lot to work on a browser, so that's understandable
2025-10-09 18:29:33 <zbergus> First time using IRC sorry if im not doing this properly but am wondering if there is a plan to release a new version of alpine given the criticality of  CVE-2025-49794 CWE-825 (fix was done here https://gitlab.alpinelinux.org/alpine/aports/-/commit/0d2c97255117ab55ddbb8b94be597615be984436) and not included in 3.22.2
2025-10-09 18:34:27 <ikke> zbergus: You automatically get those new updates
2025-10-09 18:34:44 <ikke> those releases are made for packages that are on the installation media / minirootfs (docker)
2025-10-09 18:35:02 <Kolev> Noisytoot1: Mind if I ask what you use Alpine for? I'm using it because my computer is a potato.
2025-10-09 18:35:58 <zbergus> we are depending on nginx:alpine so i assume we have to wait for them to update their package
2025-10-09 18:35:59 <ikke> zbergus: \
2025-10-09 18:36:01 <ikke> zbergus: https://pkgs.alpinelinux.org/packages?name=libxml2&branch=v3.22&repo=&arch=&origin=&flagged=&maintainer=
2025-10-09 18:36:20 <ikke> So it's not necessary for us to make a separate release for that
2025-10-09 18:36:21 <zbergus> Sorry i should clarify im talking about alpine docker image
2025-10-09 18:36:40 <ikke> That package is not present in the docker image by default, so if it gets installed, you get the latest version
2025-10-09 18:36:59 <zbergus> ah understood thanks
2025-10-09 20:14:14 <jltt> Hi everyone! Why does the Alpine Wiki page "Installing Alpine in a virtual machine" mention the `virt` ISO for VirtualBox but not for QEMU? The QEMU page says I need the `standard` ISO
2025-10-09 20:17:16 <jltt> Is there any difference between the two except the kernel being replaced with `linux-virt`? 
2025-10-09 20:17:17 <jltt> Thanks
2025-10-09 21:16:33 <Sertonix[m]> You can also use the virt ISO with QEMU. The only relevant difference is the kernel as far as I can tell.
2025-10-09 21:36:31 <Noisytoot1> Kolev: I use it on a laptop. Not my main laptop (that's a T440p with Guix System), but on the T480s I got to replace my E6400 (which has Debian) for use at school. Guix is annoyingly slow (the fact that I need to bring it to school every day means I can't leave it running during the day) and requires more disk space than traditional distros (it only has a 240GB SSD), and
2025-10-09 21:36:33 <Noisytoot1> APKBUILDs are easier to write than Debian packages.
2025-10-09 21:46:15 <pj> making meth is easier than Debian packages
2025-10-09 22:21:05 <yeti> :.(   early debian definitely was fun.   early and fun are gone.
2025-10-09 23:10:50 <systemdlete> I've been trying for two weeks now to install alpine linux in a virtualbox VM with a fully encrypted disk.  (It works fine without the encrypted disk, though, and I've had a couple of alpine VMs running for a couple of years without a problem).  I'm using the alpine-virt ISO for the install and (trying to follow) the instructions at https://wiki.alpinelinux.org/wiki/LVM_on_LUKS.  The VM is 
2025-10-09 23:10:50 <systemdlete> configured to use BIOS, not EFI/UEFI, and I've resorted to syslinux rather than grub, mainly for simplicity, but also because I don't plan to multiboot this VM.  I've tried to follow the instructions on that wiki page faithfully, but when I reboot the installed disk VM, it prompts me for the passphrase and then sits for a few seconds and crashes with a kernel stacktrace.
2025-10-09 23:12:02 <systemdlete> I've tried to capture the output using the virtual serial port of the VM, in several modes including TCP and Host pipe, but the difficulty there is getting 2-way communications to work well:  Not only do I need to see the output, but I need to input the passphrase.  If there is a better way to analyze this, please says so.
2025-10-09 23:12:46 <systemdlete> I'm wondering if, perhaps, the instructions might need an update if the wiki page has not been updated for some implementation change or the like.
2025-10-09 23:14:33 <systemdlete> If anyone has had luck with a recent version of alpinelinux virt install (on virtualbox in particular), please give an hollar.  It may well boil down to some silly thing or another, although I've been using scripts to build the VM both for ease and self-documentation of the entire process.  .
2025-10-09 23:15:12 <systemdlete> BTW, I've been able to do this with devuan, even using grub and GPT partitions.  I just can't seem to figure how to map this approach to alpinelinux.
2025-10-09 23:16:08 <systemdlete> thank you for all constructive and relevant feeback, suggestions, and solutions ahead of time.  I appreciate this project.
2025-10-09 23:17:43 <systemdlete> oh, btw.  I have tried 3.22, 3.21, 3.20 and even 3.19 with the same resulting crash.  So this is not likely due to a specific release.
2025-10-10 00:17:08 <tm8> systemdlete, since you mention virtualbox, try changing the emulated graphics card, I think it defaults to vmsvga which is kinda iffy
2025-10-10 00:17:40 <tm8> no need to reinstall alpine to test that, it's sufficient to use the existing install you made
2025-10-10 01:16:45 <crunchpaste> hey, i'm trying to get a realtek 8811au based usb wifi adapter to work on alpine 3.22. i've tried installing the linux-kernel-rtw88 package which should support it, but no luck so far. i can see it with lsusb but it does not show up with ip link.
2025-10-10 01:17:46 <crunchpaste> has anyone had the same issue before? thanks :)
2025-10-10 01:27:04 <systemdlete> tm8:  thanks!  I will try that now.
2025-10-10 01:31:24 <systemdlete> tm8:  Unfortunately none of the 3 video card models help.  The other alpinelinux VMs work fine with VMSVGA cards.  The main difference, I think, is encryption.  
2025-10-10 01:35:44 <systemdlete> I think I will try posting this on the forums, maybe more eyes will be on it there.
2025-10-10 01:38:25 <crunchpaste> systemdlete, i've found no official forums, do you mean the r/AlpineLinux?
2025-10-10 01:39:20 <systemdlete> crunchpaste, yeah.  I guess you're right.  I keep forgetting there is no alpine forum really.  
2025-10-10 01:40:32 <crunchpaste> thanks, i'll try there :)
2025-10-10 01:40:50 <systemdlete> btw, I saw your post, above.  I am no expert on wireless, but I use openwrt for mine.  It has packages for 8812au and 8821ae and also a more generic 8xxx
2025-10-10 01:41:23 <systemdlete> you might search for similar packages in alpinelinux.  Or maybe give openwrt a go.  I've had good luck with it, maybe you will too.
2025-10-10 01:44:16 <crunchpaste> i've tried with a few drivers already and i cant get any to work. as of openwrt, i use it for my router too, but in this case i'm trying to revive an ancient intel atom netbook so i'd really prefer alpine.
2025-10-10 02:10:26 <daedaevibin[m]> Well the "alpine-chroot-install" tool sucks
2025-10-10 02:10:26 <daedaevibin[m]> .
2025-10-10 02:10:26 <daedaevibin[m]> Not only did it somehow think it should install "linux-lto" which doesn't seem to exist, it doesn't work correctly after the first time no matter what you do by the looks of it.
2025-10-10 02:10:26 <mnathani> does alpine use yum/dnf or apt?
2025-10-10 02:10:50 <daedaevibin[m]> "apk" as all three of those are for other distributions
2025-10-10 02:11:40 <mnathani> apk is a command to get packages? or is it more like a deb already packaged
2025-10-10 02:12:27 <daedaevibin[m]> No, APK is the replacement for apt/yun/dnf. A quick Google search or something can easily tell you how to use it.
2025-10-10 02:12:27 <daedaevibin[m]> Alpine-chroot-install:
2025-10-10 02:12:27 <daedaevibin[m]> Bug:
2025-10-10 02:12:27 <daedaevibin[m]> The alpine chroot install constantly causes a /dev/null failure if you try to remove it. It's repeatedly hits permission denied without reason as well. It's rediculous.
2025-10-10 02:12:38 <daedaevibin[m]> s/yun/yum/
2025-10-10 02:17:52 <daedaevibin[m]> my setup process for alpine-chroot-install:... (full message at <https://matrix.org/oftc/media/v1/media/download/AQztYuAGMaTKFuCywYNOYvBIMuhbSXcU0FipOHH5y0MNNOZWYAlsj51Ptr1HUIjARH_E7AaN3pOLYiwwwzyU8KZCeaFAIUlAAG1hdHJpeC5vcmcvWU1neUJGaXlYRk51Q0RpcUVScEFxR25a>)
2025-10-10 02:29:42 <quinq> daedaevibin[m], never used this script, but maybe your invocation is a bit wrong, looks like you're missing '-p' options
2025-10-10 02:30:01 <daedaevibin[m]> -p ??
2025-10-10 02:31:03 <quinq> Yes
2025-10-10 02:38:36 <quinq> Ah no, should be fine, the code is ok, just the example is a bit misleading
2025-10-10 02:41:34 <quinq> daedaevibin[m], how are you trying to remove the chroot?
2025-10-10 02:42:24 <daedaevibin[m]> Using the provided destroy file.
2025-10-10 02:42:24 <daedaevibin[m]> I had to reboot and run it again because it flat out broke my system (/dev/null missing errors)
2025-10-10 02:42:28 <daedaevibin[m]> This has happened 4 times.
2025-10-10 02:42:33 <quinq> Looks like by default, the enter-chroot script doesn't unmount the directories it mounts, you'd have to either do it manually, or call the "destroy" script
2025-10-10 02:42:49 <quinq> Ah well, the right way then :)
2025-10-10 02:43:15 <daedaevibin[m]> Well there's no telling what's been mounted unless I dig around my system by hand...
2025-10-10 02:43:15 <daedaevibin[m]> That's fair too much work for that
2025-10-10 02:43:21 <daedaevibin[m]> s/fair/far/
2025-10-10 02:53:07 <daedaevibin[m]> It mounts around 10+ items. Yeesh.
2025-10-10 02:53:57 <daedaevibin[m]> But, even so, I still can't get it to work right.
2025-10-10 02:53:57 <daedaevibin[m]> I wanted to install Alpine to a USB from a chroot setup using that tool (instead of USB booting and then going from there) but it's proven extremely difficult
2025-10-10 02:53:57 <daedaevibin[m]> .
2025-10-10 09:15:33 <prabu> daedaevibin, for testing, you may want to use the alpine-chroot-install as is from /bin/sh first instead of adapting it to fish.
2025-10-10 09:16:04 <daedaevibin[m]> I only use fish, that's why I adapted it
2025-10-10 11:53:15 <hummer12007> ncopa: is --deps-repo (https://gitlab.alpinelinux.org/alpine/lua-aports/-/blob/master/buildrepo.1.scd#L43) actually unimplemented in buildrepo?
2025-10-10 20:38:45 <herbo> https://gitlab.alpinelinux.org/api/v4/projects/5/packages/generic//v3.0.0_rc6/x86_64/apk.static "404 Not Found"
2025-10-10 20:42:06 <rhizoome> herbo: in -devel ikke said that they rebooted gitlab..maybe something broke?
2025-10-10 20:42:30 <ikke> That would not cause it
2025-10-10 20:43:26 <rhizoome> ¯_(ツ)_/¯
2025-10-10 20:49:48 <ikke> herbo: the gitlab package containing these is missing for some reason, need to figure out how to restore it
2025-10-10 20:50:38 <herbo> how get apk.static bin?
2025-10-10 20:51:26 <ikke> herbo: You can download it from the job artifacts: https://gitlab.alpinelinux.org/alpine/apk-tools/-/pipelines/366796
2025-10-10 20:51:42 <ikke> https://gitlab.alpinelinux.org/alpine/apk-tools/-/jobs/2043125/artifacts/browse/src/.
2025-10-10 20:51:44 <ikke> https://gitlab.alpinelinux.org/alpine/apk-tools/-/jobs/2043125/artifacts/browse/src/
2025-10-10 20:58:33 <herbo> ikke: thanks
2025-10-10 21:00:13 <herbo> is there edge image of alpine or one is not releasing?
2025-10-10 21:01:21 <ikke> There are no iso's for edge (not recent anyway)
2025-10-10 21:05:20 <herbo> is alpine-baselayout usr merged?
2025-10-10 21:13:11 <herbo> i mean if its package that provides / dirs structure?
2025-10-11 01:32:23 <Quillith> Hello, my partner rebooted his alpine pc, and when he went to login to his encryption all his keyboard entries except 123 were replaced by small filled-in white boxes. I imagine something keymap related got messed up, but I'm not sure how to fix it
2025-10-11 01:54:34 <Guest27651> "Nice" surprise with dovecot not starting up today!
2025-10-11 01:57:14 <Quillith> I've got a PopOS usb, so I tried to chroot in with it. It looks like I'm in, and I can ping successfully, but when I try to update or run setup-keymap I keep getting temporary errors
2025-10-11 01:58:39 <Quillith> it even seems to try and install kbd-bkeymaps but the temporary error (try again later) keeps getting in the way
2025-10-11 01:59:05 <longnoserob[m]> trya different mirror?
2025-10-11 01:59:21 <Quillith> How?
2025-10-11 01:59:38 <Quillith> I figure I probably missed something when using chroot, but I'll try anything
2025-10-11 02:00:15 <longnoserob[m]> mahybe resolv.conf needs to have a nameserver set?
2025-10-11 02:01:24 <Quillith> I opened /etc/resolv.conf and there is what seems an IP address after nameserver
2025-10-11 02:02:13 <Quillith> Could this be a networking issue even if I'm pinging successfully?
2025-10-11 02:03:38 <Quillith> I think my kbd-bkeymaps got corrupted or broken or something and I want to try replacing it. just gotta figure out how to do that in a chroot
2025-10-11 02:05:43 <longnoserob[m]> does ping wiki.alpinelinux.org work?
2025-10-11 02:06:55 <Quillith> no it says bad address
2025-10-11 02:07:01 <Quillith> I pinged 9.9.9.9 before
2025-10-11 02:07:15 <longnoserob[m]> hmm
2025-10-11 02:16:33 <Quillith> honestly I'm wondering if just copying the home folder and wiping the computer for a fresh install would be easier and quicker than figuring out why i'm having connection issues in chroot
2025-10-11 02:36:34 <longnoserob[m]> depends maybe on foldersize..
2025-10-11 04:24:51 <Saijin_Naib[m]> Sertonix, thanks for LibreWolf. Seems much more respectful of my pittance of RAM than Firefox, and after a bit of tweaking, seems to be behaving for all the sites I use
2025-10-11 04:25:07 <Saijin_Naib[m]> Still need to dogfood more before I can switch my family, but again, thank you for your work on this
2025-10-11 05:55:50 <rnkn> what would be the approach to chroot a webserver? create an rc-service?
2025-10-11 06:14:01 <rnkn> also is a reboot required after upgrading linux-lts, alpine-base, etc.?
2025-10-11 07:50:19 <jvvv> rnkn: i always reboot after the kernel upgrades. otherwise, stuff like modules not matching kernel version can cause problems. i don't worry about rebooting for things like alpine-base, though i usually reboot after musl libc upgrade (that may just be preference and others may disagree about whether reboot with libc upgrade is necessary or not)
2025-10-11 11:33:06 <Naib_> but the modules being loaded will only load those from that which matches teh /lib/modules/ directory
2025-10-11 11:33:31 <Naib_> ie /lib/modules/$(uname -r)
2025-10-11 14:50:36 <Saijin_Naib[m]> @rnkn you'll need to reboot if kernel was built with different compiler than any akms modules, too, as they will fail to build
2025-10-11 17:57:43 <Quillith> If I'm using chroot from a popOS flashdrive to get into alpine linux, is there anything I need to do other than mount and run the built-in chroot command? When I try to run commands in alpine after chrooting I keep getting temporary errors
2025-10-11 17:58:31 <hummer12007> did you mount dev/sys/etc.?
2025-10-11 17:58:35 <Quillith> I think my kbd-bkeymaps is broken because when I try to boot all my keyboards make is white filled in boxes. So I'm trying to chroot in and run setup-keymap
2025-10-11 17:59:45 <Quillith> I mounted /dev/nvme0n1p3 as well as the boot partition
2025-10-11 18:03:46 <ikke> temporary issues are generally dns issues
2025-10-11 18:03:57 <ikke> is /etc/resolv.conf present?
2025-10-11 18:30:07 <Quillith> @ikke yes, it says search 'search lan' then new line 'nameserver' with what looks to be an ip address after
2025-10-11 18:30:35 <ikke> Quillith: can you ping that address?
2025-10-11 18:31:05 <ikke> (also, verify that you did what hummer12007 mentioned)
2025-10-11 18:32:19 <Quillith> No, I can't ping it, nothing happens then when I ctr-C it says 100% packet loss. I did mount /dev/nvme0n1p3 before running chroot
2025-10-11 18:32:38 <Quillith> as well as what I think is my boot partition, just in case
2025-10-11 18:38:04 <ikke> Can you ping the address outside of the chroot (I would not expect so)
2025-10-11 18:39:07 <Quillith> no, but my internet is working fine in the live usb environment
2025-10-11 18:39:30 <ikke> Quillith: Can you change the nameserver to something like 8.8.8.8?
2025-10-11 18:40:08 <Quillith> also, did I misunderstand you guys' mounting instruction? I just mounted my partition. If /etc is inside that partition do I still need to mount it? 
2025-10-11 18:40:40 <Quillith> @ikke so I open /etc/resolv.conf and change the ip address to 8.8.8.8 right? I can do that
2025-10-11 18:40:46 <ikke> yes
2025-10-11 18:42:15 <Quillith> oh my gosh testing with lynx actually opens the internet. I can update now. What did this change do, why was this significant?
2025-10-11 18:43:20 <Quillith> I can see that it installed kbd-keymaps, thank goodness. I have no idea how it uninstalled. But hopefully all I need is to reinstall this program
2025-10-11 18:43:21 <ikke> Quillith: It tells the OS what DNS servers to use
2025-10-11 18:43:46 <ikke> if you cannot ping the address, it's unlikely being able to resolve addresses
2025-10-11 18:43:52 <ikke> So you changed it now to google dns
2025-10-11 18:43:58 <ikke> 8.8.8.8
2025-10-11 18:44:14 <quinq> Got easily trapped into this
2025-10-11 18:45:07 <Quillith> Thank you! I'll reboot it. I don't suppose you have an idea how kbd-keymaps got deleted? My spouse says he didn't do anything before it got deleted, the only thing he can think was he updated his Wireguard, and I don't think that'd do it
2025-10-11 18:45:52 <ikke> Quillith: are you running edge or a stable branch?
2025-10-11 18:47:57 <Quillith> @ikke he says he switched to Edge about a year or so ago. Unfortunately installing kbd-keymaps wasn't enough, typing still just gives filled in white boxes except for commas, periods, left/right parenthesis, and 123
2025-10-11 18:48:26 <ikke> Then you should have /var/log/apk
2025-10-11 18:48:36 <ikke> which shows you a log of apk output
2025-10-11 18:58:10 <Quillith> he is not on Edge, I checked /etc/apk/repositories and he's only on latest-stable/main and latest-stable/community
2025-10-11 19:00:42 <ikke> Ok, no support for logs yet, then
2025-10-11 19:02:35 <Quillith> I'm not quite sure what to try. I was hoping just installing the keymaps program would be enough. I can't run setup-keymaps in the chroot without getting a warning that it's a bad idea to do so, and I ran a general apk -U upgrade --available and it updated everything but I believe grub which errored. Do you have any advice for what I could try?
2025-10-11 19:13:37 <ikke> Not really sure what would affect that
2025-10-11 19:13:42 <ikke> Is that in the console when you boot?
2025-10-11 19:16:16 <Quillith> @ikke he can type in the Bios password and use the keyboard to navigate the bios okay, but when it gets to unlocking his encryption luks partition it can only type those filled in white boxes
2025-10-11 19:31:43 <Quillith> also, unrelated question, I heard that alpine can run appimages now? Is that true? There are some appimage-only things that would be handy to install
2025-10-11 19:35:47 <ikke> Quillith: is kbd-misc installed?
2025-10-11 19:49:44 <Quillith> I ran apk add kbd-misc and it attempted to install and said 1 error. I'm not sure if that means it did it or not, so I'm rebooting and seeing if it changed anything
2025-10-11 20:10:43 <Quillith> It did not. I can't seem to install anything. When I try 'apk add' with various programs I get '1 error' each time
2025-10-11 20:12:24 <Quillith> running 'apk fix' says /usr/sbin/grub-probe: error: failed to get canonical path of '/dev/mapper/luks'. I made the luks directory when I unlocked the encrypted partition. I don't know if this grub error is related to the inability to install kbd-misc
2025-10-11 20:14:28 <yazomie> Greetings. I have done a diskless, headless, USB-less install of Alpine on my laptop with locked BIOS - must have done something wrong...
2025-10-11 20:15:26 <yazomie> The root password is not what it should be - I accidentally selected wrong keyboard layout, I guess - and I can't log in anymore
2025-10-11 20:17:00 <yazomie> Tried to run passwd from the emergency shell and from the "first" shell, once it initializes and I am at the login... login incorrect, still
2025-10-11 20:17:54 <yazomie> I was thinking maybe I could change password if only I could trigger a shell from inside login, but I couldn't find documentation on it
2025-10-11 20:19:32 <yazomie> How can I nuke from inside the emergency shell the install but still be able to reinstall?
2025-10-11 20:21:27 <ikke> If you have a bootable disk, you can mount the filesystem, chroot into it, and change the password
2025-10-11 20:25:11 <Naib> or if you do not encrpyt your drives
2025-10-11 20:25:24 <Naib> you can edit the bootload option and go: init=/sbin/bash
2025-10-11 20:25:37 <Naib> then remount root as RW and then change teh passwrd
2025-10-11 20:26:35 <Quillith> Any thoughts about why I can't install things in chroot? My goal is to install kbd-misc but when I try to install anything I get an error
2025-10-11 20:27:16 <Naib> what error?
2025-10-11 20:27:45 <Quillith> I'm not sure, how do I check? It just says "1 error; 3751 MiB in 957 packages"
2025-10-11 20:35:28 <ikke> Quillith: What is the output after you run `apk fix`
2025-10-11 20:37:11 <Quillith> It tries to reinstall grub and then says /usr/sbin/grub-probe: error: failed to get canonical path of '/dev/mapper/luks' 
2025-10-11 20:37:33 <Quillith> @ikke luks is the directory I made when unencrypting my partition 
2025-10-11 20:38:04 <ikke> Quillith: are you in a chroot?
2025-10-11 20:38:12 <Quillith> @ikke yes
2025-10-11 20:38:25 <ikke> You have to exit the chroot
2025-10-11 20:39:08 <Quillith> exit into the popOS live usb and try apk fix?
2025-10-11 20:39:08 <ikke> then run: for D in dev proc sys; do mount --rbind /$D /path/to/chroot/$D; done
2025-10-11 20:39:17 <Quillith> Will do
2025-10-11 20:39:26 <ikke> Make sure to adjust the path
2025-10-11 20:42:02 <Quillith> I did: for D in dev proc sys; do mount --rbind /$D /dev/mapper/luks; done
2025-10-11 20:42:15 <Quillith> @ikke I got bash: syntax error near unexpected token 'do'
2025-10-11 20:42:41 <ikke> The path should not be /dewv/mapper/luks
2025-10-11 20:43:54 <Quillith> @ikke I did /dev/nvme0n1p3 instead and I still got the syntax error near unexpected token 'do'
2025-10-11 20:44:18 <Quillith> Wait hold on
2025-10-11 20:44:25 <ikke> Where did you mount /dev/nvme0n1p3?
2025-10-11 20:46:03 <Quillith> I unlocked my encrypted drive with 'sudo cryptsetup luksOpen /dev/nvme0n1p3 luks' then 'sudo mkdir /mnt/arch' then 'sudo mount /dev/mapper/luks /mnt/arch' then 'sudo chroot /mnt/arch'
2025-10-11 20:46:25 <ikke> ok, then:
2025-10-11 20:47:34 <ikke> for D in dev proc sys; do mount --rbind /$D /mnt/arch/$D; done
2025-10-11 20:47:40 <ikke> make sure to not miss the semi-colon
2025-10-11 20:48:41 <Quillith> same thing, syntax error near unexpected token 'do'
2025-10-11 20:50:04 <ikke> Perhaps easier to do it step by step
2025-10-11 20:50:33 <ikke> mount --rbind /dev /mnt/arch/dev
2025-10-11 20:50:41 <ikke> mount --rbind /proc /mnt/arch/proc
2025-10-11 20:50:46 <ikke> mount --rbind /sys /mnt/arch/sys
2025-10-11 20:52:24 <Quillith> done. So this is mounting directories that wouldn't normally be mounted by just mounting the partition in general?
2025-10-11 20:52:37 <ikke> Correct
2025-10-11 20:53:16 <ikke> So now you can enter the chroot again
2025-10-11 20:54:08 <Quillith> are /dev /proc and /sys coming from the live usb?
2025-10-11 20:54:23 <ikke> They are provided by the linux kernel
2025-10-11 20:54:40 <Quillith> Okay, so when I'm chrooting into just the partition it doesn't necessarily have access to the kernel
2025-10-11 20:55:05 <Quillith> so I need to copy these kernel bits over from the live usb to make sure they're included in the chroot so I can install stuff. Is that right?
2025-10-11 20:55:52 <ikke> They are mounted when you boot the system
2025-10-11 20:55:59 <ikke> but not available automatically in the chroot
2025-10-11 20:56:28 <yazomie> Naib: I tried to remount root, didn't get any errors, password changed successfully... still it seems like it doesn't persist
2025-10-11 21:03:38 <Quillith> @ikke: I was able to enter chroot and run apk fix to successfully install grub and kbd-misc. Unfortunately on reboot I still can't type anything but boxes when it comes to unencrypting my drive. Do I need to fully wipe my system?
2025-10-11 21:09:40 <ikke> Quillith: when you see those boxes, can you try to login?
2025-10-11 21:12:20 <Quillith> @ikke: I can only get to seeing those boxes after failing to login a few times. I know he isn't getting his password wrong because he needs to type it in to unlock the bios and to unencrypt the luks encryption when we chroot
2025-10-11 21:12:48 <Quillith> He says he picked keys that are the same whether his keyboard is in qwerty or colemak, which we usually use, so I don't think it's that either
2025-10-11 21:16:25 <ikke> another suggestion, can you see if font-terminus is installed?
2025-10-11 21:17:58 <ikke> Is it similar to what's described here? https://www.reddit.com/r/archlinux/comments/u89u5s/kernel_showing_white_squares_in_place_of/
2025-10-11 21:37:09 <yazomie> I assume I can just wipe the APKOVL file from inside the emergency shell or "first" mode, right? Is that enough to bring me back to the installer? Does it also wipe packages? (I had attempted and failed to install LXQt before booting the secind time)
2025-10-11 21:38:58 <yazomie> Sorry for these noob questions, I also struggled a few days with installing Alpine on my desktop, but it was so well worth it, I want to run postmarketOS on my handheld devices and Alpine everywhere else
2025-10-11 21:47:22 <Quillith> @ikke: I don't make it to login, I get stuck at "Enter passphrase for /dev/nvme0n1p3". But before I get there I am able to unlock the bios. Otherwise yeah white boxes. terminus-font was not installed, I installed it and it's the same issue still happening
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2025-10-12 12:14:07 <Besen> Hi, I rebooted my alpine linux VM and noticed that I cant write any files, login via ssh was not working only serial shell and also the hostname was not shwon in the shell. I checked mounts and /dev/sda3 was mounted readonly on /. when I remount it as readwrite I can write to disk again. But why did this happen in the first place and how can I persistently fix this?
2025-10-12 12:15:28 <ikke> default mount options include errors=remount-ro
2025-10-12 12:15:40 <ikke> So check for disk / filesystem issues
2025-10-12 12:21:29 <Besen> Ah I see. Could you give some tips on what and how to look for that?
2025-10-12 12:23:24 <ikke> Besen: check `dmesg` output
2025-10-12 12:23:31 <ikke> The kernel will log issues there
2025-10-12 12:27:10 <Besen> it shows "error count since last fsck: 14"
2025-10-12 12:27:27 <Besen> should I just run fsck on the filesystem then?
2025-10-12 12:27:46 <Besen> Is it normal that this happens or should I worry that my disks are failing?
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2025-10-12 13:14:04 <Besen> Can I run fsck automatically at boot?
2025-10-12 13:14:57 <lopid> from recovery mode
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2025-10-12 13:16:18 <lopid> i think you can touch /forcefsck to have it done automatically at next boot
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2025-10-12 20:35:07 <jordanreger> I did the usr-merge on edge and now running `niri --session` doesn't work. I did an strace and it shows errors at /usr, /usr/lib, and /usr/lib/(some musl debug .so)
2025-10-12 20:35:46 <jordanreger> Output of `niri --session`: https://paste.sr.ht/~jordanreger/f5211390c729b1b471f173abee8ab187a2a20108
2025-10-12 20:36:22 <jordanreger> Here's the strace: https://paste.sr.ht/~jordanreger/03abad29a0d5ead7a06adec35b15093d3922a49f
2025-10-12 20:38:21 <jordanreger> This is on a brand new system (that I decided to use edge on) so originally I thought I was just missing packages, but it looks like something is more wrong
2025-10-12 22:32:34 <Sertonix[m]> The failures in the readlink are probably not related since it looks like it's searching for debug info which happens in rust after an error.
2025-10-12 23:59:07 <amadaluzia[m]> Good morning (GMT), I've had an issue where I cannot mount root because it failed to mount to /sysroot. Even though both the root and that folder almost certainly exist, it is just saying "no such file or directory exists".
2025-10-12 23:59:38 <amadaluzia[m]> xfsprogs, cryptsetup, lvm2 and dosfstools exists almost certainly
2025-10-13 00:01:51 <amadaluzia[m]> Just confirmed their existence by checking /lib/modules, and checking for commands
2025-10-13 02:13:18 <Saijin_Naib[m]> Second idential machine on edge failing in this way
2025-10-13 02:13:54 <Saijin_Naib[m]> stat: can't stat '/dev/vg0/lv_swap': no such file or directory
2025-10-13 02:14:05 <Saijin_Naib[m]> sh: invalid number ''
2025-10-13 02:14:38 <Saijin_Naib[m]> I had to reinstall mine, woild rather not nuke my wife's laptop
2025-10-13 02:14:49 <dwfreed> paste the output of 'pvs; vgs; lvs' ?
2025-10-13 02:17:40 <Saijin_Naib[m]> not found to all
2025-10-13 02:17:59 <dwfreed> well, it's kind of hard to use lvm when you don't have the tools
2025-10-13 02:18:11 <Saijin_Naib[m]> I'm in the recorey shell
2025-10-13 02:18:24 <Saijin_Naib[m]> Did apk purge them during the update?
2025-10-13 02:18:24 <dwfreed> they still need to be in the initramfs
2025-10-13 02:18:27 <Saijin_Naib[m]> Shit
2025-10-13 02:18:45 <Saijin_Naib[m]> Okay, thanks, that gives me something to track down
2025-10-13 02:19:00 <dwfreed> probably a good idea to put them in world
2025-10-13 02:19:23 <Saijin_Naib[m]> They were prior to this reboot after upgrade
2025-10-13 02:19:35 <Saijin_Naib[m]> I'll write them if they got purged
2025-10-13 02:32:14 <Saijin_Naib[m]> lvm2 shows as installed
2025-10-13 02:34:39 <dwfreed> sounds like it's not ending up in the initramfs, then? though to be fair, it could just be copying 'lvm' and not making the symlinks for the various tools (it's like busybox, it's a multi-call binary)
2025-10-13 02:35:06 <Saijin_Naib[m]> Hmm, that could be
2025-10-13 02:35:19 <Saijin_Naib[m]> Odd it hit both identical harssware machines
2025-10-13 02:35:33 <Saijin_Naib[m]> But i dont recall seeing others with issues in here
2025-10-13 02:35:37 <dwfreed> try 'lvm pvs' next time you're in the recovery shell
2025-10-13 02:35:43 <Saijin_Naib[m]> xfs over lvm2, no crypt
2025-10-13 02:36:08 <Saijin_Naib[m]> Booting into it now
2025-10-13 02:37:04 <Saijin_Naib[m]> Hmm
2025-10-13 02:37:29 <Saijin_Naib[m]> Incompatible libdevmapper and kernel driver
2025-10-13 02:37:40 <Saijin_Naib[m]> This sounds like a good reason to not work
2025-10-13 02:38:01 <dwfreed> yeah
2025-10-13 02:38:51 <Saijin_Naib[m]> Kernel is 6.12.51 linux-lts
2025-10-13 02:39:11 <dwfreed> is there any line above that?
2025-10-13 02:39:44 <Saijin_Naib[m]> Check that device-mapper is available in the kernel
2025-10-13 02:40:17 <Saijin_Naib[m]> Do I maybe have a held package that kept back libdevmapper?
2025-10-13 02:40:32 <Saijin_Naib[m]> It shows as 1.02.207 (2025-06-27)
2025-10-13 02:46:52 <dwfreed> I believe that's actually the correct reporting version, though the date seems off
2025-10-13 02:47:24 <dwfreed> all the lvm and device mapper libs come from the same source package
2025-10-13 02:52:22 <dwfreed> but I suspect the problem is rather absence of /dev/mapper/control
2025-10-13 02:53:19 <dwfreed> check whether it's there, and if not, try 'modprobe dm_mod' to see what you get
2025-10-13 03:08:18 <Saijin_Naib[m]> The control file is therr
2025-10-13 03:09:17 <Saijin_Naib[m]> No lib modules directory for 6.12.51-0-lts
2025-10-13 03:09:33 <Saijin_Naib[m]> Only one for 6.12.40-0-lts
2025-10-13 03:09:40 <Saijin_Naib[m]> So the modprobe fails
2025-10-13 03:10:38 <dwfreed> sounds like you have the wrong initramfs
2025-10-13 03:10:55 <Saijin_Naib[m]> Missing trigger?
2025-10-13 03:11:02 <dwfreed> dunno
2025-10-13 03:11:07 <Saijin_Naib[m]> How do I regen from recovery shell?
2025-10-13 03:11:13 <dwfreed> You can't
2025-10-13 03:11:30 <Saijin_Naib[m]> Sweet. Chroot?
2025-10-13 03:11:34 <dwfreed> yeah
2025-10-13 04:17:13 <Saijin_Naib[m]> doas apk fix mkinitfs
2025-10-13 04:17:19 <Saijin_Naib[m]> Fingers crossed
2025-10-13 04:20:17 <Saijin_Naib[m]> Nice, that was it. Thanks!
2025-10-13 12:43:15 <ovf> speaking of mkinitfs, i get 'mkinitfs-3.12.0-r2.trigger: cpio: usr/lib/ld-musl-x86_64.so.1 not created: newer or same age file exists' (and a similar one for busybox) on a usr-merged system
2025-10-13 12:43:58 <ovf> (also i really wish the merge went the other way, with /usr -> /)
2025-10-13 13:11:51 <jordanreger> I got the same thing
2025-10-13 13:16:24 <quinq> ovf, but that's now how systemd works, so that's out of the picture
2025-10-13 13:20:18 <quinq> ovf, I merged today, and now I see that I get it too
2025-10-13 13:21:12 <longnoserob[m]> quinq: there is no systemd in alpine?
2025-10-13 13:22:28 <quinq> There is on the other project, postmarketos
2025-10-13 13:22:40 <quinq> Which started this merge need as far as I could read
2025-10-13 13:23:13 <quinq> This is documented on the help page for the merge
2025-10-13 13:25:28 <Sertonix[m]> ovf, jordanreger: That warning can be ignored. There is no risk of it breaking anything.
2025-10-13 13:39:43 <jordanreger> Sounds good, thanks
2025-10-13 19:32:22 <bananicorn> Hi, is there somebody here who knows a bit about printers on (Alpine) Linux? I am looking for one that works without proprietary drivers (especially since chances are bad that it works with Alpine) but have trouble understanding what things like AirPrint support mean in practice, would love to ask somebody who knows more about this a few questions
2025-10-13 19:33:00 <Shiz> bunch of modern printers should work by announcing themselves over dns-sd and then just using ipp
2025-10-13 19:33:18 <Shiz> the best printer choice is always whatever decent-price laser printer Brother has on offer imo :)
2025-10-13 19:33:55 <dwfreed> anything that does IPP, either over USB or IP, is generally the easiest, because then CUPS does basically nothing
2025-10-13 19:34:06 <Kolev> Shiz: I'd like to get a printer.
2025-10-13 19:34:45 <invoked> cups is doing its best to make usb a pita, even
2025-10-13 19:35:08 <Shiz> in my experience this very afternoon (on rhel, because $dayjob makes me use it), is that avahi + cups works pretty well
2025-10-13 19:35:17 <Shiz> for dns-sd discovery and automatic ip printing
2025-10-13 19:35:19 <Kolev> I've only used network printers TBH.
2025-10-13 19:35:22 <Shiz> on the random brother printer at the hackerspace
2025-10-13 19:35:46 <Kolev> Maybe I should just use the library to print stuff.
2025-10-13 19:36:03 <bananicorn> dwfreed: Did I understand correctly that AirPrint is a superset of IPP? Or are they fundamentally different?
2025-10-13 19:36:23 <invoked> airprint relies on zeroconf stuff
2025-10-13 19:36:25 <Shiz> airprint is different
2025-10-13 19:36:33 <zcrayfish> bananicorn: Make sure the printer supports IPP Everywhere. It would be nice if it supports common emulations for non-linux/non-MacOS machines as well (personally I won't touch one if it doesn't have PS and PCL emulation in addition to IPP Everywhere)
2025-10-13 19:37:17 <Shiz> it doesn't matter though, just get something that supports IPP and DNS-SD (aka mDNS, aka Bonjour)
2025-10-13 19:37:22 <Shiz> that's the easiest path ime
2025-10-13 19:37:44 <invoked> you need avahi for airprint
2025-10-13 19:37:45 <zcrayfish> AFAIK all IPP Everywhere printers support airprint too.
2025-10-13 19:37:54 <Shiz> ipp-everywhere is basically just a spec for exposing ipp over DNS-SD
2025-10-13 19:37:56 <Shiz> :)
2025-10-13 19:38:03 <Shiz> zcrayfish: i think it's more so the other way around
2025-10-13 19:38:18 <zcrayfish> It's probably a circular dependency xD
2025-10-13 19:38:40 <zcrayfish> because. Printers. Can't be simple.
2025-10-13 19:38:44 <Shiz> anyway, a modern brother laser printer with wifi or lan should support dns-sd and ipp just fine
2025-10-13 19:38:50 <Shiz> so i will repeat my first recommendation
2025-10-13 19:38:52 <Shiz> :p
2025-10-13 19:39:42 <bananicorn> It did seem to me that the two are related, but I am really not getting any clarity between the pwg.org and openprinting.org info
2025-10-13 19:40:24 <bananicorn> It doesn't help that there are three lists of supported printers between the two websites
2025-10-13 19:40:41 <bananicorn> (some of which do not overlap)
2025-10-13 19:40:42 <Shiz> afaik, ipp-everywhere came after airprint
2025-10-13 19:40:50 <Shiz> and standardizes the geneic parts of it that make sense
2025-10-13 19:41:17 <Shiz> along with some other crap you most likely do not care about
2025-10-13 19:42:14 <Shiz> either way, you don't even need airprint or ipp-everywhere if the printer in question supports IPP
2025-10-13 19:42:20 <Shiz> ipp-everywhere/airprint is just for automagic discovery
2025-10-13 19:42:31 <Shiz> which is nice, but not needed as you can always punch in an IP address while adding a printer :P 
2025-10-13 19:42:45 <Shiz> IPP is really the core protocol here
2025-10-13 19:43:23 <bananicorn> Is that a general half-decent network printer thing? Then it seems I have less to worry about than I feared
2025-10-13 19:43:29 <Shiz> and something that claims airprint compliance can definitely do IPP, as it's also part of airprint
2025-10-13 19:43:30 <invoked> i think ip printing works from macs but not from iphones, though. could be wrong
2025-10-13 19:43:33 <Shiz> yeah, IPP = IP Printing Protocol
2025-10-13 19:43:47 <Shiz> invoked: airprint is just IPP with some discovery layers, but iphones don't do raw IPP no
2025-10-13 19:43:57 <bananicorn> Part of the difficulty is that I am looking on the used market so "brother new offers" won't work for me, but I'll look for recent
2025-10-13 19:43:59 <Shiz> for mostly just well, vendor-specific reasons only known to apple
2025-10-13 19:44:07 <Shiz> bananicorn: from experience, 10yo brother offers also work fine
2025-10-13 19:44:09 <Shiz> :)
2025-10-13 19:44:20 <Shiz> just find the model, look up the spec sheet, search for IPP
2025-10-13 19:44:46 <bananicorn> I will have another look at that :)
2025-10-13 19:45:42 <Shiz> the one i printed on this afternoon is ~8 yo 
2025-10-13 19:46:21 <invoked> i have a brother printer hooked up via usb and cups, and with avahi that's able to print from ipads (boomer tested & approved)
2025-10-13 19:46:39 <invoked> but i can't offhand remember if there was any occult stuff i had to do
2025-10-13 19:48:13 <bananicorn> Thanks for your input everyone :)
2025-10-13 19:49:10 <Shiz> :>
2025-10-13 19:54:45 <bananicorn> By the way, Wikipedia says "AirPrint is an extension of the Internet Printing Protocol (IPP)", which explains why I just see Brother advertising AirPrint everywhere, not IPP
2025-10-13 19:55:03 <Shiz> yeah, AirPrint is IPP + discovery over DNS-SD + a few other things
2025-10-13 19:55:16 <Shiz> IPP-Everywhere is IPP + discovery over DNS-SD + a few *other* other things :D
2025-10-13 19:55:20 <bananicorn> I did look for IPP in some spec sheets and found nothing actually, just AirPrint
2025-10-13 19:55:42 <bananicorn> So the Apple branded protocol won :P
2025-10-13 19:55:49 <Shiz> it was also first tbf
2025-10-13 19:55:51 <Shiz> :p
2025-10-13 19:56:09 <bananicorn> Yeah, just funny that original IPP is also not mentioned though
2025-10-13 19:56:23 <bananicorn> not even taking about IPP everywhere
2025-10-13 19:56:34 <Shiz> ah yeah
2025-10-13 19:56:43 <bananicorn> There isn't IPP *anywhere* :P
2025-10-13 20:00:39 <Shiz> i think if a printer has lan, there's an implicit assumption it does ipp
2025-10-13 20:00:43 <Shiz> after all, what else would it speak :p 
2025-10-13 20:13:28 <Habbie> oh you sweet summer child
2025-10-13 20:14:40 <Habbie> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_printing_protocols#Dedicated_protocols
2025-10-13 20:14:49 <Habbie> 9100 is the one i've seen the most besides, and before, IPP
2025-10-13 20:16:03 <Shiz> of course, but post 2003, granddad
2025-10-14 04:43:41 <systemdlete> how can I set up alpinelinux so that it will fsck my / and /usr file systems at boot each time?  I tried setting tune2fs -c 1 /dev/... on each but that doesn't work.  I have also tried numerous ideas suggested by chatGPT, but none of those work either.  Or does alpine linux handle this issue differently?
2025-10-14 04:43:54 <systemdlete> thanks for constructive help, as always!
2025-10-14 04:45:03 <systemdlete> (btw, i've searched the "documentation"--hak,hak,cough,cough--for mkinitfs, syslinux, extlinux and some others and even browsed the mkinitfs script itself)
2025-10-14 04:46:23 <systemdlete> H Peter Anvin even admits, in a README file in the github, that syslinux is notoriously hard to configure, so...)
2025-10-14 04:46:58 <systemdlete> so I don't feel too stupid.
2025-10-14 04:49:06 <systemdlete> another "trick" I stumbled over is to add options to the kernel command line, like usrflags, etc.  And while the boot works with these set, they don't cause fsck to run
2025-10-14 05:07:34 <iggy> systemdlete: are the fields in /etc/fstab set correctly? I think the last field tells fsck how to handle things
2025-10-14 05:09:04 <systemdlete> iggy, the /etc/fstab file that initramfs uses is embedded inside the initramfs itself.  Examining the generated initramfs shows that the fstab there does not inherit the /etc/fstab from the installed system.  I've tried various things to get mkinitfs take the /etc/fstab info, with no luck.
2025-10-14 05:10:24 <systemdlete> istm there should be an "early fsck" somewhere before the root-switch (the "pivot"), that is, before the final root fs mount 
2025-10-14 05:11:04 <systemdlete> I'm pretty sure that devuan does it this way, but all I know is I have never had an issue getting file systems to fsck at boot.  I have always assumed this is automatic.
2025-10-14 05:12:16 <systemdlete> the only thing that syslinux does at boot is run a sanity check of some kind--perhaps if that fails, maybe the boot drops into a rescue shell?  idk.  Never had that happen so far with an alpine system.  Then again, I only make light use of alpine so far.
2025-10-14 05:13:23 <systemdlete> IOW, maybe I should stop worrying over this and let alpine boot handle it... however it does that.  But I also don't want to walk away from this smugly and get bitten hard later on.  I'm just theorizing
2025-10-14 05:34:22 <runxiyu> https://pkgs.alpinelinux.org/package/edge/community/x86_64/v2ray is out of date 
2025-10-14 05:34:43 <runxiyu> https://release-monitoring.org/project/134851/ says so, but the alpine page is not marked out of date
2025-10-14 07:44:24 <rnkn> heif-thumbnailer should probably include its thumbnailer entry right?
2025-10-14 07:44:35 <rnkn> otherwise it doesn't do anything
2025-10-14 11:33:28 <rnkn> what does this error mean when I try to install gthumb-gstreamer? https://termbin.com/ljlk
2025-10-14 11:33:49 <rnkn> seems like they should be complimentary not conflict?
2025-10-14 11:37:58 <rnkn> it seems that both gthumb and gthumb-gstreamer try to provide /usr/bin/gthumb and /usr/lib/gthumb/extensions/libslideshow.so
2025-10-14 11:38:20 <rnkn> is there a way I can fix this locally?
2025-10-14 11:42:47 <Kladky> hey, when the mkinitfs trigger runs on my server, I've been getting the following output recently, is it cause for concern? https://tpaste.us/N5pP
2025-10-14 11:43:18 <Kladky> I think this has been happening for at least 2 weeks
2025-10-14 11:43:48 <Kladky> I haven't restarted the server since I saw this, since I don't want my server to be potentially unbootable.
2025-10-14 11:47:14 <elagost> Kladky: I'm getting the same thing. Have you done the usr-merge? 
2025-10-14 11:47:57 <Kladky> Yes
2025-10-14 12:32:33 <elagost> Kladky: https://gitlab.alpinelinux.org/alpine/mkinitfs/-/issues/88 
2025-10-14 12:33:46 <Kladky> Ok, so it's harmless, good
2025-10-14 16:55:35 <telmich> Is it correct behaviour/intended to use merge-usr: like this: `merge-usr--dryrun && merge-usr` ? I want to update it for a couple of hundred machines.
2025-10-14 16:55:35 <telmich> I am even considering to run it as a oneliner for all systems like `apk add merge-usr && merge-usr --dryrun && merge-usr && apk del merge-usr`
2025-10-14 16:57:04 <f_> telmich: yeah, `merge-usr --dryrun` then check for errors
2025-10-14 16:57:15 <f_> then `merge-usr` and pray
2025-10-14 16:57:38 <f_> Make sure to do backups in case things go wrong, but this script has been fairly well tested and shouldn't cause much trouble if any
2025-10-14 17:04:36 <Saijin_Naib[m]> reporting another usr-merge success on a same-hardware variant of my craptop, but with GNOME and x86_64 edge instead of mine with XFCE x86_64 edge
2025-10-14 17:04:52 <Saijin_Naib[m]> however, is anyone using uutils-coreutils and having breakages after usr-merge?
2025-10-14 17:05:15 <Saijin_Naib[m]> I can't use topgrade or apk upgrade since chown is missing, even with which chown returning null result
2025-10-14 17:05:23 <Saijin_Naib[m]> switching back to regular coreutils fixes it
2025-10-14 17:09:08 <telmich> f_: What I meant is, can I expect `merge-usr --dryrun` to expect non-zero on failure?
2025-10-14 17:10:09 <f_> I'm pretty sure merge-usr --dryrun returns nonzero on failure yes
2025-10-14 17:10:30 <f_> Saijin_Naib[m]: pretty much confirms my suspicions! Someone in the postmarketOS channel had encountered the exact same issue
2025-10-14 17:10:51 <Saijin_Naib[m]> Is it a symlink issue?
2025-10-14 17:11:06 <Saijin_Naib[m]> Doesn't busybox also provide coreutils stubs?
2025-10-14 17:11:12 <Saijin_Naib[m]> Those also didn't show up with the which command
2025-10-14 17:11:57 <f_> Saijin_Naib[m]: I'm not sure, but for now pinged in -devel
2025-10-14 19:38:01 <fanzer> busybox klogd never seems to log the whole kernel log buffer. dmesg shows the whole thing, but klogd will not log the first 20-100 lines into my "kernel" file in /var/log (as specified in syslog.conf
2025-10-14 21:43:35 <Quillith> Hi, I'm trying to install a new thing of alpine linux after my old one borked somehow. I've got it mostly setup, and I've installed pipewire and wireplumber and am using Sway. I'm not getting sound, and when I try to run rc-service pipewire start I'm told the service doesn't exist. I'm not sure what to do
2025-10-14 21:45:32 <Quillith> the Sway entry on the wiki talks about using pipewire-launcher, but that package doesn't seem to be around anymore. The pipewire page says to add pipewire as an rc-service but when I try I'm told it doesn't exist
2025-10-14 21:50:37 <Quillith> honestly I think I'm wholly lost. Apparently my XDG_RUNTIME_DIR is not set, even though the Wayland wiki page says that elogind should be exporting it and other XDG environment variables automatically
2025-10-14 22:00:24 <Saijin_Naib[m]> Did you use setup-desktop sway
2025-10-14 22:09:25 <Quillith> yea
2025-10-14 22:10:15 <Quillith> I copied over my old config files, maybe that broke something. I don't know
2025-10-14 22:25:23 <fanzer> Quillith, I use sway and basically just launching pipewire then wireplumber then pipewire-pulse should work for sound
2025-10-14 22:46:59 <Quillith> fanzer: I thought the pulse and alsa addons were only if we also wanted to use the other sound systems? Is installing pipewire and wireplumber not enough?
2025-10-14 22:48:24 <fanzer> Quillith, the pipewire-pulse addon may not be required for your use-case, but it doesn't hurt to run it as well to see if you can at least get audio to work
2025-10-14 23:10:07 <lanky_ginger> Quillith: if you go to the openrc page in the wiki, it tells you how to set up user services for pipewire. Under 'For Wayland', it explains setting up the gui user runlevel for pipewire for work
2025-10-14 23:11:40 <lanky_ginger> *to work
2025-10-15 01:11:31 <WhyNotHugo> Quillith: pipewire-pulse is an adapter so programs which try to talk to pulseaudio are redirected to pipewire.
2025-10-15 01:56:20 <WhyNotHugo> So apparently logbookd can't keep up when writing to disk, and was the cause of slow start-up. Also had some issues with logs being stored severely out-of-orders.
2025-10-15 03:13:33 <Quillith> Okay, thank you all!
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2025-10-15 06:28:11 <Saijin_Naib[m]> Does anyone know if we are able to use source archives shipped as 7z in APKBUILD?
2025-10-15 06:28:25 <Saijin_Naib[m]> The Dark Mod engine stable source snapshots seem to only be provided as 7z
2025-10-15 06:44:39 <PureTryOut> That's not an issue. At an 7z unpackager to makedepends and overwrite the unpack function
2025-10-15 06:44:51 <PureTryOut> *unpacker
2025-10-15 06:58:38 <ptrc> while it is technically possible, i don't think any APKBUILD currently uses 7z archives?
2025-10-15 07:41:15 <Saijin_Naib[m]> Is there a template unpack function? I am using newapkbuild for CMake to try and target this build
2025-10-15 07:41:29 <Saijin_Naib[m]> I was told before the best practice was to fetch tar.gz if possible
2025-10-15 07:41:32 <Saijin_Naib[m]> Is that not current
2025-10-15 08:38:26 <quinq> Saijin_Naib[m], apkbuild should untar the sources for you, that's the universal format for package source distribution
2025-10-15 08:38:42 <quinq> You don't need a custom function for that, unless you actually do
2025-10-15 10:38:49 <ikke> yeah, for 99.99% of the packages, it should be sufficient to just specify the source
2025-10-15 10:44:49 <Sheila> about the only time I would expect a custom unpack() is if the source format is 7zip or rar or some other 'obscure' (to Linux environments) format.
2025-10-15 14:22:16 <Saijin_Naib[m]> Hmm, so I'll need a custom unpack. I'll see if I can find a APKBUILD that uses it so I can reference. Thanks!
2025-10-15 14:27:25 <Sheila> Saijin_Naib[m]: check tar manpage for flags in `tar -C "$srcdir" -jxf "$s"` and try to find equivalent flags for 7za/p7zip/whatever. should be all you need.
2025-10-15 14:28:09 <Sheila> see https://github.com/alpinelinux/abuild/blob/master/abuild.in#L507
2025-10-15 17:45:17 <Saijin_Naib[m]> another successful usr-merge on x86_64 edge, no uutils-coreutils, system is running since like 3.18 or so
2025-10-15 18:45:46 <realroot[m]> how is risc-v support?
2025-10-15 18:46:48 <ikke> realroot[m]: of what?
2025-10-15 18:51:03 <realroot[m]> I mean how that arch is is supported in Alpine. I see few downloads in https://alpinelinux.org/downloads/
2025-10-15 18:55:16 <realroot[m]> just in case
2025-10-15 19:04:56 <realroot[m]> is somebody using SSDFS?
2025-10-15 19:15:20 <dwfreed> realroot[m]: ask real questions, rather than looking for topic experts
2025-10-15 19:15:30 <dwfreed> you'll get better quality answers faster
2025-10-15 19:24:12 <realroot[m]> it's in testing. is it fine to use or experimental, not developed or something?
2025-10-15 19:28:07 <ikke> This was 2 years ago: "SSDFS is still not completely stable but I believe that
2025-10-15 19:28:09 <ikke> it's time to hear the community opinion."
2025-10-15 19:28:12 <ikke> Not sure what the current state is
2025-10-15 19:45:09 <realroot[m]> is risc-v fully supported in Alpine right?
2025-10-15 19:46:01 <ikke> It does have stable releases, yes.
2025-10-15 19:46:29 <ikke> But there are numerous packages not built for riscv64
2025-10-15 19:47:39 <realroot[m]> is there a list or something?
2025-10-15 19:48:30 <realroot[m]> is that because lack of interest  or  do they need fixes?
2025-10-15 20:06:15 <realroot[m]> 640 pages vs 697 of x86_64
2025-10-15 20:06:18 <realroot[m]> https://pkgs.alpinelinux.org/packages?page=697&name=&branch=edge&repo=&arch=x86_64&origin=&maintainer=&flagged=
2025-10-15 20:06:36 <ikke> realroot[m]: most likely they need to be fixed in one way or another
2025-10-15 20:07:54 <dwfreed> ikke: there was a presentation at linux plumbers 2025; seems to be in decent shape these days
2025-10-15 20:08:29 <realroot[m]> 18 pkgs per page so 1026 less
2025-10-15 20:08:43 <ikke> realroot[m]: note that by default you also get subpackages
2025-10-15 20:08:52 <ikke> so you should filter only on origin packages
2025-10-15 20:09:09 <realroot[m]> are other arches more maintained maybe?
2025-10-15 20:10:06 <realroot[m]> 248 - 227 * 18 = 378
2025-10-15 20:10:06 <ikke> realroot[m]: differs per arch
2025-10-15 20:10:37 <realroot[m]> how would you compare it to aarch64 for example?
2025-10-15 20:11:39 <ikke> aarch64 generally has better support
2025-10-15 20:12:01 <dwfreed> aarch64 is far more commonly available than risc-v today
2025-10-15 20:12:08 <ikke> packages like chromium are only supported on aarch64 and x86_64
2025-10-15 20:12:48 <invoked> put another way: if you go into riscv right now, you're an early adopter
2025-10-15 20:12:59 <realroot[m]> no librewolf too for riscv64
2025-10-15 20:13:14 <dwfreed> practically everybody's got a pi 2B v1.2 or newer these days somewhere
2025-10-15 20:42:10 <ikke> oh, armv7 has chromium as well
2025-10-16 11:05:38 <realroot[m]> qml6 does not work anymore, it's stuck
2025-10-16 11:12:43 <realroot[m]> still broken links in /usr/bin/
2025-10-16 16:17:23 <caju> hello
2025-10-16 20:10:17 <herbo> what is the difference between standard and extended?
2025-10-16 20:12:53 <ikke> The extended image has more package included in the iso that may be required to setup a network
2025-10-16 20:18:27 <herbo> this is all?
2025-10-16 20:20:04 <swee> I upgraded QEMU on my alpine box today (running edge) and my libvirt VMs won't start anymore, i get error: internal error: process exited while connecting to monitor: qemu: could not load PC BIOS 'bios-256k.bin'
2025-10-16 20:21:55 <swee> hm, might have been an incomplete upgrade or it removed libvirt-qemu when upgrading
2025-10-16 20:27:08 <herbo> were there any errors when running apk command?
2025-10-16 20:28:59 <Sertonix[m]> which version have the qemu packages?
2025-10-17 02:13:05 <swee> I'm trying out ACF instead of Webmin, how do I setup mini_httpd to listen on a different port? the default HTTP ports are already used by my nginx setup
2025-10-17 02:14:43 <swee> (which is why I like the fact that Webmin listens on 10000 at default)
2025-10-17 02:27:20 <swee> tried acf out, this UI needs to have confirmation for doing something dangerous, someone could just accidentally delete their eth0 interface :p
2025-10-17 02:28:41 <amadaluzia[m]> Good evening, has anyone experience GDM freezing on the latest stable Alpine Linux version?
2025-10-17 02:30:16 <amadaluzia[m]> I've encountered it on an AMDGPU system (RX 580) but I have also not had this issue in the past using edge
2025-10-17 02:32:34 <amadaluzia[m]> amadaluzia[m]: I have also not encountered this on an NVIDIA laptop, again running edge.
2025-10-17 02:46:07 <Saijin_Naib[m]> No, working well with i915 iGPU on Edge
2025-10-17 02:46:16 <Saijin_Naib[m]> What mesa?
2025-10-17 02:46:46 <Saijin_Naib[m]> 25.2.5 here and 49.1 gnome and all updates as of today, linux-lts kernel
2025-10-17 06:06:06 <Saijin_Naib[m]> How much a pain are react things to build/package?
2025-10-17 09:16:45 <rnkn> I am very surprised that bijiben is not packaged
2025-10-17 09:16:54 <rnkn> (gnome notes)
2025-10-17 09:19:05 <rnkn> oh wait, I see, it has a lot of EOL dependencies
2025-10-17 12:40:12 <syso> Hi. I am currently trying to compile some packages for aarch64 on my x86_64 build server and i have difficulties getting abuild to work. this is what i have done so far and the error i get: https://gist.github.com/DatanoiseTV/032a945e83cbb468639b86ec42fe3ce2
2025-10-17 13:36:15 <rnkn> is there a way I can apply a patch to an APKBUILD file locally and install the package?
2025-10-17 13:36:54 <rnkn> https://gitlab.alpinelinux.org/alpine/aports/-/merge_requests/91662/diffs
2025-10-17 13:38:18 <ikke> Do you already have an environment setup to build packages?
2025-10-17 13:41:06 <rnkn> nope!
2025-10-17 13:41:17 <rnkn> I just installed abuild
2025-10-17 13:41:37 <ikke> install alpine-sdk
2025-10-17 13:41:49 <ikke> make sure your user is part of the abuild group
2025-10-17 13:42:03 <ikke> and generate + install a key (doas abuild-keygen -ain)
2025-10-17 13:57:11 <rnkn> okay I have done this
2025-10-17 13:57:47 <ikke> Then you should be able to apply the patch to a clone of aports, and run `abuild -r` in the directory of the package you want to build
2025-10-17 14:09:44 <rnkn> I'm getting a bunch of conflict errors, but this may not be a problem. I'm trying to build a sub-package, but `abuild -r` wants to build the full package. how do I specify a sub-package?
2025-10-17 14:10:16 <rnkn> btw I am on 3.22 and have cloned 3.22-stable branch. I don't really wanna be on edge.
2025-10-17 14:13:26 <rnkn> here's the conflict errors: https://termbin.com/ma34
2025-10-17 14:17:25 <ikke> rnkn: You cannot build just a subpackage
2025-10-17 14:17:34 <rnkn> oh bother
2025-10-17 14:20:02 <rnkn> replaced gettext-tiny with gettext, now the conflicts are just: https://termbin.com/gi5b
2025-10-17 14:20:09 <ikke> It does not really make a lot of sense. There is one source that is built, and then subpackages copy specific files from that
2025-10-17 14:21:45 <rnkn> I removed musl-libintl and now it's building
2025-10-17 14:22:20 <rnkn> aw man this is pulling in a *lot* of dependencies...
2025-10-17 14:34:39 <rnkn> oh they get purged. that's nice.
2025-10-17 14:34:59 <ikke> Yes
2025-10-17 14:35:12 <Sertonix[m]> syso: You need to ensure that the repository which includes the build-base-aarch64 package is included in /etc/apk/repositories
2025-10-17 14:42:41 <syso> Sertonix[m]: how do I find the repo? can I keep the x86_64 repo and then add a 2nd aarch64 repo?
2025-10-17 14:43:09 <syso> i do have: http://dl-cdn.alpinelinux.org/alpine/v3.22/main
2025-10-17 14:43:09 <syso> http://dl-cdn.alpinelinux.org/alpine/v3.22/community
2025-10-17 14:43:49 <ikke> syso: it would be a local repository (~/packages/*)
2025-10-17 14:46:40 <syso> added it, but still the same issue. https://gist.github.com/DatanoiseTV/f1aa88d5b726a3323c6695fddb744f55
2025-10-17 14:46:52 <ikke> syso: what did you add exactly?
2025-10-17 14:47:09 <ikke> and, did you run bootstrap.sh to build the toolchain?
2025-10-17 14:47:16 <ikke> (with the correct arch)
2025-10-17 14:47:36 <syso> first, i ran the bootstrap script with the right arch, then i added the package path to the repository
2025-10-17 14:48:19 <syso> i have read this beforehand and followed the guide: https://che-adrian.medium.com/how-to-cross-compile-alpine-linux-apk-packages-fae8a75aee88
2025-10-17 14:48:29 <ikke> there is no build-base-aarch64 there
2025-10-17 14:49:16 <syso> yeah, its somehow not being built
2025-10-17 14:49:51 <syso> i tried re-running the bootstrap script multiple times. there were no errors
2025-10-17 14:50:47 <Sertonix[m]> does ls ~/packages/main/x86_64 return anything?
2025-10-17 14:50:56 <syso> APKINDEX.tar.gz                  binutils-armv7-2.45-r0.apk
2025-10-17 14:50:56 <syso> binutils-aarch64-2.45-r0.apk     gcc-pass2-aarch64-15.2.0-r0.apk
2025-10-17 14:54:25 <syso> looks a bit incomplete to me. i am pulling now the latest aports from git and will re-run the bootstrap script to see
2025-10-17 15:00:46 <syso> ikke: there is a build error somehow. https://gist.github.com/DatanoiseTV/1fb10a18de1842f1226613138f79387b
2025-10-17 15:02:09 <ikke> That's out of my league
2025-10-17 15:18:08 <Sertonix[m]> I haven't tried yet but there might be some build failures due to trying to build edge packages on a stable branch system.
2025-10-17 15:19:35 <syso> will try to use the 3.22-stable branch for aports then
2025-10-17 15:28:18 <syso> same issue 
2025-10-17 15:28:35 <syso> make[2]: Leaving directory '/home/syso/aports/main/gcc/src/build-cross-final/aarch64-alpine-linux-musl/libvtv'
2025-10-17 15:28:38 <syso> diagnostics.ads:84:07: error: unmatched actual "Check_Tampering"
2025-10-17 15:28:40 <syso> diagnostics.ads:84:07: error: in instantiation of "Doubly_Linked_Lists" declared at g-lists.ads:67
2025-10-17 16:23:12 <syso> wasnt able to fix it so far
2025-10-17 19:13:53 <CharlesVoracek[m]> https://t.me/+jLJNhUzVTUphODVk
2025-10-17 22:58:01 <KE0VVT_M> Migrating from Fedora to Alpine. Problem: Firefox is older in Alpine, and complains when I move my .mozila/ folder to $HOME.
2025-10-17 23:03:52 <ssm> edge has firefox 144, don't know if that's new enough
2025-10-17 23:05:48 <ssm> if you don't want to migrate to edge, you can make a chroot, you can tag edge community as something in /etc/apk/repositories and try installing the edge version (though this is dubious because of library dependencies, not recommended personally unless someone knows this is explicitly supported). flatpak is also an option, and the easiest of the three
2025-10-17 23:20:28 <KE0VVT_M> ssm: What's the difference between edge and the normal install?
2025-10-17 23:29:47 <Noisytoot1> edge is rolling release
2025-10-17 23:30:30 <p_6f3Ik7Suw> edge breaks regularly
2025-10-17 23:31:11 <p_6f3Ik7Suw> ok, regularly sounds scary, it's not so bad, most of the time.
2025-10-17 23:31:15 <longnoserob[m]> there is a risk of breakage yes.. but have not seen major things happening lately
2025-10-17 23:31:32 <KE0VVT_M> Noisytoot1: Sounds like I don't want edge.
2025-10-17 23:31:47 <p_6f3Ik7Suw> i run edge on my daily desktop.
2025-10-17 23:31:52 <KE0VVT_M> What if I rename my profile folder?
2025-10-17 23:32:27 <KE0VVT_M> p_6f3Ik7Suw: I'm not an Arch user.
2025-10-18 06:19:59 <ncopa> I think you could use edge til 3.23 is out
2025-10-18 06:34:29 <shield[m]> @pj 
2025-10-18 07:56:41 <longnoserob[m]> ikke:  ncopa programmerq  could someone please set +bk on this spmmer?
2025-10-18 07:57:50 <ikke> Who?
2025-10-18 07:59:28 <longnoserob[m]> could be that this is spam on the matrix side which the bridge does not transfers
2025-10-18 08:03:16 <lopid> syso?
2025-10-18 10:46:51 <f_> lopid: it happens oftentimes that the bridge misbehaves and lets spam in the matrix side while not bridging it to IRC
2025-10-18 10:47:08 <f_> right now it's also misbehaving by dropping lots of messages quite often
2025-10-18 10:47:20 <f_> Especially when coming from users it has not seen before
2025-10-18 11:32:52 <f_> longnoserob[m]: is it  21:20 ::: CharlesVoracek[m] [~charles09@2001:470:1af1:101::1:a885] has quit (autokilled: Spambot. Mail support@oftc.net if you think this is in error. (2025-10-17 19:20:12))
2025-10-18 11:33:54 <longnoserob[m]> f_: nice
2025-10-18 11:38:43 <ikke> I already kicked that user before
2025-10-18 11:39:30 <ikke> So perhaps that does not get reflected on matrix?
2025-10-18 11:39:37 <f_> As usual
2025-10-18 11:39:42 <f_> Well
2025-10-18 11:39:46 <f_> Maybe they rejoined
2025-10-18 11:40:04 <ikke> Don't see it in the logs
2025-10-18 11:40:29 <f_|mo> I can see them in the nicklist here
2025-10-18 11:40:36 <f_|mo> Try kicking me
2025-10-18 11:40:55 <f_> it worked
2025-10-18 11:40:57 <ikke> Now you're back
2025-10-18 11:41:05 <f_> > oftc-irc kicked f_ 🇵🇸 -- prefer irc/xmpp ikke has kicked this user from #alpine-linux (f_|mo)
2025-10-18 11:41:27 <f_> so the only possible explanation is they rejoined
2025-10-18 14:18:10 <M136258[m]> Get in touch with this platform for greatness you’ll definitely thank me later 
2025-10-18 14:18:10 <M136258[m]> https://t.me/+pa-CiKYv9-5lNWM8
2025-10-18 14:18:10 <M136258[m]> ℹ️❤️.   
2025-10-18 14:18:10 <M136258[m]> Get in touch with this platform for greatness you’ll definitely thank me later 
2025-10-18 14:18:10 <M136258[m]> ℹ️❤️.   
2025-10-18 14:18:12 <M136258[m]> https://t.me/+pa-CiKYv9-5lNWM8
2025-10-18 15:42:48 <Kolev> Hi all. Anybody else have issues launching Waybar?
2025-10-18 15:45:42 <f_> Kolev: what's happening?
2025-10-18 15:48:58 <Kolev> f_: It acts like it launched in the terminal but it doesn't show up. When I Ctrl+C it, I get a memory overflow or something 
2025-10-18 15:49:20 <f_> logs?
2025-10-18 15:51:16 <Kolev> OK let me boot up and do that
2025-10-18 15:59:12 <Kolev> https://pub.microbin.eu/upload/bear-falcon-lion
2025-10-18 16:34:46 <f_> Failed to create secure directory (/run/user/1000/pulse): No file descriptors available
2025-10-18 16:34:47 <f_> hmmm
2025-10-18 16:34:50 <f_> socket(): No file descriptors available
2025-10-18 16:34:52 <f_> shared memfd open() failed: No file descriptors available
2025-10-18 16:35:08 <f_> then fork(): Out of memory
2025-10-18 16:35:34 <Kolev> This is a fresh install with setup-desktop and import my dotfiles.
2025-10-18 16:36:21 <f_> do you have pulseaudio running?
2025-10-18 16:37:20 <Kolev> f_: Do I have to manually configure it after setup-desktop and Sway? What about PipeWire?
2025-10-18 16:37:58 <f_> I'm not sure if it's installed or not
2025-10-18 16:38:04 <f_> it or pipewire
2025-10-18 16:38:09 <f_> (w/pipewire-pulse)
2025-10-18 16:38:15 <f_> you can check with pgrep
2025-10-18 16:44:06 <Kolev> Looks like PipeWire is not installed. On to the rabbit hole!
2025-10-18 16:48:40 <f_> Kolev: and is PulseAudio installed?
2025-10-18 16:58:48 <Kolev> Why would I need PulseAudio?
2025-10-18 16:59:32 <Kolev> I followed all the directions for PipeWire.
2025-10-18 17:08:29 <Kolev> f_: And PulseAudio's wiki page says to migrate to PipeWIre.
2025-10-18 17:08:46 <f_> Kolev: I mean do you have pulseaudio
2025-10-18 17:08:57 <f_> IF you have pipewire or want to use that then install it with pipewire-pulse
2025-10-18 17:10:06 <Kolev> f_: Yes, I have pipewire-pulse.
2025-10-18 18:13:15 <Kolev> f_: I logged out and back in. Waybar still gives the pulse error even though I have pipewire-pulse
2025-10-18 18:14:19 <Kolev> I should have documented all the changes I made...
2025-10-18 18:31:48 <Kolev> f_: Should I reinstall and start over and document all the steps I do?
2025-10-18 18:43:12 <Kolev> f_: posted to the users mailing list about this issue. I'll be quiet here now.
2025-10-18 18:43:27 <f_> could also be a packaging bug
2025-10-18 18:43:36 <f_> I might try waybar to see ..
2025-10-18 18:43:54 <f_> but sadly not today
2025-10-18 18:44:45 <Kolev> f_: I'm hoping I don't have to migrate back to fedora. I like the speed of alpine.
2025-10-18 18:47:01 <lanky_ginger> Kolev: just going by memory, but I think waybar also needs to be run in a dbus session. Are you starting sway with dbus-run-session -- sway?
2025-10-18 18:52:16 <Kolev> lanky_ginger: exec dbus-run-session sway
2025-10-18 18:54:32 <Kolev> No -- here.
2025-10-18 18:54:42 <f_> no need for --
2025-10-18 19:48:20 <hopeful387[m]> I cant connect attack shark r1 mouse with bluetooth
2025-10-18 19:51:56 <f_> can you be more specific?
2025-10-18 19:57:17 <hopeful387[m]> 
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2025-10-18 19:57:28 <hopeful387[m]> <f_> "can you be more specific?" <- 👆
2025-10-18 19:58:38 <f_> can you try bluetoothctl?
2025-10-18 19:58:58 <KE0VVT> KE0VVT / Kolev here. o/
2025-10-18 20:04:36 <hopeful387[m]> <f_> "can you try bluetoothctl?" <- hopeful$ bluetoothctl connect 79:CF:2F:59:8F:73
2025-10-18 20:04:36 <hopeful387[m]> Attempting to connect to 79:CF:2F:59:8F:73
2025-10-18 20:04:36 <hopeful387[m]> hopeful$ 
2025-10-18 20:04:36 <hopeful387[m]> Failed to connect: org.bluez.Error.Failed br-connection-page-timeout
2025-10-18 20:04:57 <f_> does dmesg say anything?
2025-10-18 20:05:00 <ikke> What kind of bluetooth device?
2025-10-18 20:05:12 <f_> well I don't think dmesg says much about BT ..
2025-10-18 20:05:13 <hopeful387[m]> ikke: mouse
2025-10-18 20:05:55 <hopeful387[m]> f_: no
2025-10-18 20:14:59 <Kolev> Reinstalling and documenting all my changes.
2025-10-18 22:07:15 <KE0VVT> f_: I got Waybar working! :D
2025-10-18 22:08:16 <KE0VVT> Why can't I install font-fontawesome? world[]
2025-10-18 22:29:04 <f_> \o/
2025-10-18 22:29:16 <f_> KE0VVT: whats the error?
2025-10-18 22:29:38 <KE0VVT> f_: Ah, I see the package name is "font-awesome"...
2025-10-18 22:32:30 <f_> apk search is very useful.
2025-10-18 22:32:54 <f_> Easily my favourite apk feature :D
2025-10-18 22:34:58 <KE0VVT> f_: Both "font-awesome" and "font-fontawesome" exist.
2025-10-18 22:36:21 <dwfreed> I don't see 'font-fontawesome' on pkgs.alpinelinux.org; I checked every version that site supports
2025-10-18 22:38:46 <dwfreed> it was added in 3.17; the only thing anywhere near related is that it provides 'ttf-font-awesome'
2025-10-18 22:45:08 <zxz> "font-awesome"
2025-10-18 22:45:58 <dwfreed> Yes, I'm aware; I was questioning where KE0VVT found "font-fontawesome" because I don't find it in aports
2025-10-18 22:46:12 <zxz> also font-awesome-free
2025-10-18 22:46:13 <zxz> ah
2025-10-18 22:46:16 <zxz> got it
2025-10-18 22:47:22 <zxz> there is this font-fontawesome-4
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2025-10-18 23:53:48 <Kolev> Waybar crashes and PipeWire gives the following error. https://pub.microbin.eu/upload/fish-duck-squid
2025-10-18 23:57:03 <Kolev> Also, I have issues setting up SSH with GPG. My usual remedies do not work. https://pub.microbin.eu/upload/monkey-hawk-jaguar
2025-10-19 00:59:58 <KE0VVT> I try to run `bash` but `echo $SHELL` still prints `sh`.
2025-10-19 01:03:32 <longnoserob[m]> did you install bash?
2025-10-19 01:06:18 <Riviera> KE0VVT: bash does not set SHELL.
2025-10-19 01:12:06 <KE0VVT> Riviera: Hm, OK.
2025-10-19 01:38:18 <Sertonix[m]> Probably only set by a login shell
2025-10-19 01:46:27 <Riviera> Sertonix[m]: no, rather by tools like login(1) 
2025-10-19 03:42:43 <KE0VVT> PipeWire spits a bunch of errors to my terminal whenever I make a new shell. Screenshot. https://pub.microbin.eu/upload/bat-lizard-pug
2025-10-19 03:51:43 <KE0VVT> ERROR: PipeWire failed to start. https://pub.microbin.eu/upload/emu-sloth-bat
2025-10-19 04:06:43 <longnoserob[m]> KE0VVT: are you maybe running the user service and pipewirelauncher in parallel?
2025-10-19 04:07:05 <longnoserob[m]> https://wiki.alpinelinux.org/wiki/PipeWire#Launch_Pipewire
2025-10-19 04:10:41 <KE0VVT> longnoserob[m]: Oh yeah, I do have the launcher in .profile.  Thanks.  I'll see if that fixes it.
2025-10-19 04:17:45 <longnoserob[m]> yw
2025-10-19 05:18:29 <rnkn> gnome depends on puleaudio; is there any universe in which gnome on alpine uses pipewire instead? 
2025-10-19 05:35:07 <Noisytoot1> please do not make it depend on pipewire, pipewire is broken on my system (headphone jack detection doesn't work, pulseaudio allows you to manually switch to headphone jack, pipewire apparently does not)
2025-10-19 06:40:49 <rnkn> hmm I thought pipewire would be better than pulseaudio just because it's not made by leonard pottepots
2025-10-19 07:54:31 <omni> so gnome has a hard dependency on pulseaudio through gnome -> gdm -> gnome-setting-daemon -> pulseaudio
2025-10-19 11:26:07 <rnkn> suffering through Apple's systematic degradation of macOS I thought I would never enjoy computing again, but Alpine has renewed my enjoyment. thanks devs!
2025-10-19 12:59:14 <chdsky9> hello
2025-10-19 13:02:02 <chdsky9> how to set up the network (wifi/wireless) without `setup-interfaces`?
2025-10-19 13:23:00 <qman> You need to install something to manage wifi, there are many options, here are some https://wiki.alpinelinux.org/wiki/Wi-Fi
2025-10-19 13:24:52 <qman> the setup-interfaces script is alpine's "easy" way, if you choose not to use it you will need to manually install and configure your chosen software to manage WiFi 
2025-10-19 13:25:43 <chdsky9> at least i found probably bug in script
2025-10-19 13:28:04 <abby> gnome does depend on pipewire for screensharing/recording
2025-10-19 13:30:18 <chdsky9> http://git.alpinelinux.org/alpine-conf/tree/setup-interfaces.in#n325
2025-10-19 13:31:13 <chdsky9> also why here two is_bridge functions?
2025-10-19 13:33:19 <WhyNotHugo> Also mentioned in #sr.ht, but upgrading apk-tools fails with: usr_merge_nag.sh: /bin/sh: can't open '/dev/fd/8': No such file or directory
2025-10-19 13:38:10 <Sertonix[m]> Already reported that
2025-10-19 13:38:33 <Sertonix[m]> https://gitlab.alpinelinux.org/alpine/apk-tools/-/merge_requests/353
2025-10-19 14:12:17 <argy> Hello. I'm having trouble persisting a custom rc init script in an Alpine Diskless installation. 
2025-10-19 14:13:06 <argy> I've already tried adding the script in /etc/init.d with lbu add and commit, but after reboot the init script is lost.
2025-10-19 14:33:43 <argy> nm... late nights problems, just working the next day
2025-10-19 15:54:33 <Kolev> The shell isn't reading .profile. My aliases aren't showing up unless I do . .profile 
2025-10-19 15:54:48 <ikke> Kolev: It's only read for login shells
2025-10-19 16:08:00 <Kolev> So I'm on a Chromebook, and the audio support requires edge. What do I need to worry about when using edge?
2025-10-19 16:08:30 <ellyqw> you can just install an edge kernel
2025-10-19 16:09:17 <Kolev> (Installing just sof-firmware and rebooting did not work.)
2025-10-19 16:09:25 <ellyqw> depends on whether it's x86 or arm you would also need sof-firmware and alsa ucms from Tree
2025-10-19 16:09:39 <Kolev> x86_64 here.
2025-10-19 16:10:22 <ellyqw> https://wiki.postmarketos.org/wiki/Google_Chromebooks_with_x64_CPU_(google-x64cros)#Common_Issues
2025-10-19 16:11:40 <ikke> Kolev: edge is generally stable, but there are moments where things may be broken for a period
2025-10-19 16:12:32 <ellyqw> ^still better than arch, i'm running edge on my router just fine
2025-10-19 16:12:43 <weirdtreething> ellyqw: the alpine kernel might be missing sof
2025-10-19 16:13:09 <weirdtreething> i know i tried a few years ago and avs wasnt there
2025-10-19 16:13:09 <ellyqw> weirdtreething: to be fair, i never tested alpine on my systems
2025-10-19 16:13:33 <ellyqw> and i think domi is using a custom kernel on her morphius
2025-10-19 16:14:19 <weirdtreething> i used a custom kernel when i used alpine on my cave
2025-10-19 16:14:19 <Kolev> weirdtreething: I installed sof-firmware package and rebooted.
2025-10-19 16:14:29 <weirdtreething> no, the sof kernel drivers
2025-10-19 16:14:39 <ellyqw> ^this
2025-10-19 16:14:46 <ellyqw> dmesg | grep sof
2025-10-19 16:16:12 <ellyqw> if you don't know how to debug this, pmOS would be a better choice as we maintain few ports
2025-10-19 16:16:38 <Kolev> Maybe just upgrade to edge?
2025-10-19 16:17:01 <weirdtreething> ellyqw: the pmos port actually uses the alpine kernel rn
2025-10-19 16:17:04 <ellyqw> sure, just edit repositories and update
2025-10-19 16:17:23 <ellyqw> weirdtreething: good to know
2025-10-19 16:17:41 <weirdtreething> i had planned to create a kernel package for it for a few patches but never got around to it
2025-10-19 16:18:05 <Kolev> weirdtreething: Should I upgrade to edge and run your script?
2025-10-19 16:18:35 <weirdtreething> the only thing my script will do for your device is make the mic work slightly better
2025-10-19 16:19:13 <ellyqw> what about UCMs though? AFAIK they're not packaged in main Alpine repos
2025-10-19 16:19:15 <Kolev> But I need edge kernel regardless?
2025-10-19 16:19:27 <weirdtreething> pretty sure alpine has alsa-ucm-conf
2025-10-19 16:20:05 <ellyqw> i must've overslept if you upstreamed it
2025-10-19 16:20:18 <weirdtreething> no intel upstreamed this one
2025-10-19 16:20:23 <weirdtreething> the only one they ever did
2025-10-19 16:20:49 <weirdtreething> but my downstream ucm maps the 4ch dmic into 2ch like chromeos does
2025-10-19 16:20:59 <Kolev> Installed alsa-ucm-conf.
2025-10-19 16:21:41 <weirdtreething> ellyqw: funny enough i actually upstreamed the stoney ucm
2025-10-19 16:21:59 <Kolev> Do I need anything else before I reboot?
2025-10-19 16:22:08 <ellyqw> weirdtreething: but then you need that one patch that's bitrotting on LKML lol
2025-10-19 16:22:12 <weirdtreething> what kernel version are you on?
2025-10-19 16:22:18 <weirdtreething> ellyqw: yes, sadly
2025-10-19 16:22:27 <weirdtreething> maybe i should resend it?
2025-10-19 16:22:44 <Kolev> weirdtreething: 6.12.53-0-lts
2025-10-19 16:22:57 <weirdtreething> that should be new enough
2025-10-19 16:23:37 <Kolev> So apk add alsa-ucm-conf sof-firmware and reboot?
2025-10-19 16:23:45 <weirdtreething> sure try that
2025-10-19 16:24:08 <Kolev> OK, rebooting.
2025-10-19 16:28:31 <Kolev> It worked! :D 
2025-10-19 16:28:56 <weirdtreething> nice
2025-10-19 16:29:55 <ellyqw> nice, enjoy
2025-10-19 16:33:05 <Kolev> weirdtreething: What issues will the mic have? 
2025-10-19 16:38:28 <weirdtreething> Kolev: being super quiet
2025-10-19 16:38:55 <weirdtreething> ive found that turning the volume up to 200% makes it sound decent
2025-10-19 18:02:23 <bulldozer> I'm trying to find a wiki entry because I don't remember all details.  I belive there some briefly something about a read only filesystem that can be signed, used for root in this case.
2025-10-19 18:06:30 <bulldozer> I hate this, found it <https://wiki.alpinelinux.org/wiki/DM-verity>.  Spend 2 days looking for articles but find it immediately after asking here..
2025-10-19 18:07:55 <ikke> Rubber duck :)
2025-10-19 18:08:03 <bulldozer> I know I know.
2025-10-19 18:08:50 <bulldozer> I actually use AI as a Rubber Duck so I don't have to herass real people but it did not help...  It actually makes it worse I feel.
2025-10-19 18:09:42 <ikke> LLMs are a very bad rubber duck
2025-10-19 18:11:23 <bulldozer> I know.  I just don't want to dump all my dumb questions in here.  You guys have more important things to do then help me, I don't want to waste too much of your time.
2025-10-19 18:41:53 <buinb> Why are all the warnings and blog post and test package named “usr-merge”, but the actual tool to do it is called “merge-usr”? :p
2025-10-19 18:42:15 <ikke> goal versus action
2025-10-19 18:44:56 <buinb> That's practically inconsistant
2025-10-19 18:45:07 <buinb> Like openrc actions and setup
2025-10-19 23:12:20 <chdsky9> qman: wpa_supplicant -B -i wlan0 -c <(wpa_passphrase MYSSID pass) && udhcpc -i wlan0  # but these are commands - and usually it is done somehow differently
2025-10-19 23:12:31 <chdsky9> probably via services
2025-10-19 23:15:46 <chdsky9> but there are a lot of, and i have no idea
2025-10-20 02:54:52 <rnkn> so I'm understanding it, installed the `gnome-software` package and enabling its polkit service does not mean I can install apk packages via the software app right? like, there's no way an apk package is going to magically get a gnome software page. is it just for updating packages installed via apk?
2025-10-20 02:58:16 <abby> it supports installing and managing flatpaks
2025-10-20 03:45:06 <rnkn> abby oh yeah of course, I just prefer apk for most things
2025-10-20 06:59:01 <telmich> Oh, firefox is so stupid... it's (almost?) impossible to connect to http or self signed cert pages nowadays
2025-10-20 07:08:30 <ayex[m]> only firefox, or also its decendants? on librewolf I can connect to http and self-signed https pages just fine.
2025-10-20 07:19:13 <PureTryOut> Uh, it's pretty simple on Firefox. You can add http sites to an exclusion list to prevent it from going to https
2025-10-20 07:30:41 <ikke> Hmm, since a recent update, keepassxc is no longer able to see my yubikey. Running it in a terminal says it doesn't have sufficient permissions on the usb device, but does not mention which
2025-10-20 07:30:59 <ikke> I do have the udev rule in place to adjust the permissions 
2025-10-20 07:31:37 <dwfreed> does ykman work?
2025-10-20 07:33:59 <ikke> ERROR: Unable to list devices for connection 
2025-10-20 07:35:40 <dwfreed> so at least it's not just keepassxc
2025-10-20 07:39:18 <ikke> ykman --diagnose does see the key
2025-10-20 07:48:02 <ikke> After starting the pcscd service, ykman no longer complains, but keepassxc still does not see it
2025-10-20 07:53:35 <dwfreed> check acls on /dev/hidraw* /dev/usb/hiddev* /dev/bus/usb/*/* (ykman --diagnose prints the right hidraw files; lsusb prints the right /dev/bus/usb files; you'll have to poke through /sys to find the names of the right /dev/usb files, or go by their timestamps)
2025-10-20 08:27:01 <ikke> dwfreed: ah, thanks, I was looking in /dev/usb, but had to look in /dev/bus/usb
2025-10-20 08:30:04 <ikke> The group changed to pcscd
2025-10-20 08:30:11 <ikke> Instead of plugdev
2025-10-20 08:49:49 <rnkn> appears that the busybox less can open multiple files but not navigate past the first
2025-10-20 09:30:06 <fabled> dwfreed, ikke: yes, latest ccid added the group rule to pcscd
2025-10-20 09:34:40 <fabled> ikke: do you know which package's udev rules applies the plugdev? main/libfido2/69-yubikey.rules?
2025-10-20 09:35:49 <fabled> ccid ships 92_pcscd_ccid.rules
2025-10-20 09:37:08 <fabled> one option is to change ccid to GROUP="plugdev" and have pcscd user belong to that group
2025-10-20 09:37:48 <fabled> or just add localuser to pcscd group if they need to access the token directly
2025-10-20 09:38:24 <ikke> There used to be a 72- yubikeys.rules file. I modified it locally to ny require consolekit
2025-10-20 09:39:18 <ikke> Oh, ykpers has it 
2025-10-20 09:39:36 <ikke> 70-yubikey.rules
2025-10-20 09:41:25 <ikke> fabled: I did already add my user to the  pcscd group now
2025-10-20 09:42:38 <fabled> ikke: yes, that probably is the best solution for now
2025-10-20 13:07:36 <ilya_> Hey all! I installed alpine linux on a raspberry pi 0w and I noticed the system date at startup was not 1970 (The pi have no internet connexion to do ntp). Now I wonder where it got the date from ? Does it store it at poweroff ? Does it use the time of a file ? Thanks for your answers :)
2025-10-20 15:02:55 <Habbie> what date was it?
2025-10-20 15:16:31 <realroot[m]> how reinstall default cat?
2025-10-20 15:16:40 <dwfreed> most likely it's using the swclock initscript from openrc, whose default file is /var/lib/misc/openrc-shutdowntime; if that file does not exist, it will fall back to using the mtime of /sbin/openrc-run
2025-10-20 15:18:44 <realroot[m]> I updated to edge and merge-usr stated some WARN about cat and now I have no cat
2025-10-20 15:19:20 <ilya_> Habbie: seems to be the last time the pi was used with RW sd card.
2025-10-20 15:19:40 <ilya_> dwfreed: it checks out, I did not find this file! Thanks!
2025-10-20 15:20:47 <Habbie> ah right :)
2025-10-20 15:22:12 <realroot[m]> busybox
2025-10-20 15:23:27 <realroot[m]> qml6 is still stuck
2025-10-20 16:43:25 <realroot[m]> qmlscene6 works
2025-10-20 16:44:42 <realroot[m]> not sure if qml6 file.qml ever worked here
2025-10-21 01:06:34 <rnkn> realroot[m] /bin/cat is just a symlink to /bin/busybox, although these would be different after /usr-merge
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2025-10-21 10:49:44 <Lilith^^> gotta love bridging with matrix
2025-10-21 11:00:17 <rnkn> my university online learning system shares URL by making you download a PDF with the hyperlink. I kid you not.
2025-10-21 11:01:11 <grawity> is it Moodle
2025-10-21 11:40:21 <quinq> At least the spammer made an effort to copy the whole text instead of having us going to the web (which I doubt anybody does), that's up to their credit!
2025-10-21 11:40:55 <quinq> rnkn, that's advanced computing, you can't understand
2025-10-21 11:50:52 <halloy4322> Hi there! First time using IRC and this channel. I'm Stéphane, I succeeded in the past in using alpine on a rpi2 and rpi5 (I guess) in 'disk' mode. I'm trying again, but cannot achieve to pass 'setup-disk' in 'sys' mode. I specified mmcblk0 as the hard disk, which is unmounted, and the system does not have access to the 'apks' directory. This is my hypothesis, but the actual symptom is "unable to select pack
2025-10-21 11:51:22 <halloy4322> did I miss something?
2025-10-21 12:48:23 <quinq> Bienvenue halloy4322 
2025-10-21 13:05:27 <invoked> rnkn: that's still probably better than sharepoint, which all the majors use now i think.
2025-10-21 13:59:31 <hodapp> we use sharepoint here :|
2025-10-21 14:06:48 <yeti> had to ddg that ...
2025-10-21 15:03:53 <quinq> Oh yeah, we sometimes have to work with weird clients that use Microsoft sharepoint too...
2025-10-21 15:04:24 <quinq> It usually hard to connect and a good amount of times all their cross site things just fail and you can't access actual content
2025-10-21 18:16:51 <Kolev> weirdtreething: Plugging in my headphones into the headphone jack makes my audio stop working, even if I remove the headphones and put audio output back on speaker.
2025-10-21 18:57:08 <realroot[m]> will hplip work via distrobox or some chroot?
2025-10-21 18:57:58 <ikke> realroot[m]: hplip has recently been added back again
2025-10-21 18:58:18 <realroot[m]> oh nice
2025-10-21 18:58:39 <ikke> (you would need edge)
2025-10-21 19:16:04 <realroot[m]> i am on edge here and blender seg faults
2025-10-21 19:16:25 <realroot[m]> `cat /tmp/blender.crash.txt
2025-10-21 19:16:25 <realroot[m]> # Blender 4.5.3, Commit date: 1970-01-01 00:00, Hash unknown`
2025-10-21 19:16:56 <realroot[m]> no info in /tmp/blender.crash.txt
2025-10-21 19:25:49 <realroot[m]> I made comment in issue https://gitlab.alpinelinux.org/alpine/aports/-/issues/16528
2025-10-22 01:34:02 <Kolev> ok folks how safe is it to run edge on daily laptop
2025-10-22 01:34:35 <Kolev> i might need edge to run weirdtreething audio setup script so my headphones work
2025-10-22 02:36:00 <ptrc> i'd say pretty safe actually? nothing really breaks, and if it does, it's usually fixed quite quickly
2025-10-22 02:47:58 <rnkn> if you run latest-stable but use abuild to build packages from testing, will things break?
2025-10-22 02:48:15 <rnkn> if you have the corresponding repo branch checked out, that is
2025-10-22 03:24:27 <Saijin_Naib[m]> It may, if soname/versions conflict
2025-10-22 03:24:52 <Saijin_Naib[m]> Mixing is usually very advised against
2025-10-22 03:42:38 <ikke> If you build it yourself, it should be fine
2025-10-22 03:43:51 <rnkn> if there's a .so problem it will just fail to build?
2025-10-22 03:44:03 <rnkn> or will it attempt to install conflicting .so's?
2025-10-22 03:46:28 <ikke> You should not add the edge testing repo
2025-10-22 03:46:38 <ikke> instead you should build everything it needs from testing yourself
2025-10-22 03:47:07 <ikke> (and add your local testing repo to /etc/apk/repositories)
2025-10-22 03:47:23 <ikke> It will build against the available dependencies
2025-10-22 03:54:04 <rnkn> ikke: ah okay, so like not `abuild -r`?
2025-10-22 03:54:36 <ikke> abuild -r is fine, but you have to do that for each dependency that is in testing
2025-10-22 03:55:29 <rnkn> hmm can abuild do that for me? seems like a lot of cd'ing
2025-10-22 03:56:43 <ikke> abuild not, it only builds a single package at a time
2025-10-22 03:57:21 <ikke> lua-aports can give you a list of packages in build order though, so you can script around it
2025-10-22 03:57:42 <ikke> there is also buildrepo (from tghe same package), but it builds the enire repo as it's name implies)
2025-10-22 03:58:16 <rnkn> I'm lazy, if I'm unconcerned with the stability of the testing package can I just `abuild -r`?
2025-10-22 03:59:48 <ikke> You can, if it succeeds, fine. If you added the edge/testing repo, and the package has dependencies in from testing,  then at some point the package may stop working and you have to do all the work anyway
2025-10-22 04:01:27 <rnkn> I want to avoid adding edge repos and keep my base system on latest-stable at all costs, even if that means stuff from aports/testing breaks
2025-10-22 04:04:05 <ikke> right, so if you do that, and the package builds, it should be fine
2025-10-22 04:04:37 <rnkn> awesome, thanks ikke
2025-10-22 04:04:38 <ikke> Note that it does require extra care when upgrading to a new release, since the package in testing may hold package back from being upgraded
2025-10-22 07:02:38 <chdsky9> for some reason alpine site isn't working from a network with a russian isp, how can i determine what problem this is?
2025-10-22 07:16:55 <ssm> sounds like you found the problem? maybe there's geoblocking? I wouldn't know
2025-10-22 07:18:48 <chdsky9> maybe government blocking everything and blocked some related service on which depends
2025-10-22 08:02:48 <rnkn> alpine's openssl is regular old openssl, not libressl, right?
2025-10-22 08:02:54 <rnkn> going off the --version output
2025-10-22 08:12:19 <achill> yes it is
2025-10-22 10:44:19 <amk> hey any idea why id be getting "https://.../x86_64/APKINDEX.tar.gz: HTTP: unrecognized server error" on a personal alpine repo? APKINDEX.tar.gz downloads correctly via curl/browser etc
2025-10-22 10:53:25 <Habbie> amk, anything in the httpd log?
2025-10-22 10:54:47 <amk> just a 200 success log
2025-10-22 10:57:00 <amk> apk also has "0 unavailable, 1 stale;" at the end, mayve theres some issue with the APKINDEX
2025-10-22 11:07:50 <HenryPai[m]> hello
2025-10-22 11:09:02 <HenryPai[m]> Does anyone know how to get a shadow socks server running on alpine. Im finding it hard and i was just wandering if someone could help me
2025-10-22 11:09:05 <HenryPai[m]> ?
2025-10-22 15:11:33 <ikke> HenryPai[m]: What would you normally do to run one?
2025-10-22 16:33:50 <amk> wrt my previously mentioned issue with HTTP: unrecognized server error, seems to be something related to openbsd relayd/httpd (which i use to serve my repository) as it updates okay from the python http server 
2025-10-22 18:14:53 <Habbie> ah, interesting
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2025-10-22 19:57:08 <realroot[m]> <ikke> "realroot: hplip has recently..." <- package still deletes /usr/bin, i was using bin.
2025-10-22 19:57:08 <realroot[m]> python code needs to be updated
2025-10-22 19:59:54 <ikke> What do you mean, deletes /usr/bin?
2025-10-22 20:41:23 <Noisytoot1> I'm trying to apk upgrade my alpine edge system and ERROR: kdeplasma-addons-6.5.0-r0: trying to overwrite usr/share/plasma/weather/noaa_station_list.xml owned by plasma-workspace-6.4.5-r1.
2025-10-22 20:47:08 <Noisytoot1> reported at https://gitlab.alpinelinux.org/alpine/aports/-/issues/17650
2025-10-22 22:45:35 <Noisytoot1> Actually it's worse than that. After a reboot, I can't log in at all. KDE Plasma seems to be broken on edge
2025-10-22 22:47:23 <longnoserob[m]> switch to a terminal and un apk ugrade -aU ?
2025-10-22 22:47:54 <longnoserob[m]> r
2025-10-22 23:10:35 <Noisytoot1> longnoserob[m]: doesn't fix it
2025-10-22 23:10:52 <Noisytoot1> here's the stderr output of "dbus-run-session startplasma-wayland": https://x0.at/jABT.txt
2025-10-22 23:11:05 <Noisytoot1> lots of Error relocating /usr/bin/kwin_wayland: _ZN21KGlobalAccelInterface10keyPressedEi: symbol not found errors
2025-10-23 00:45:09 <Noisytoot1> I think gwenview and okular just need to be rebuilt. After increasing the pkgrel and rebuilding them locally it works fine
2025-10-23 02:05:30 <hummer12007> is there a saner way to make openrc user services start on boot apart from patching /etc/init.d/user to export/mkdir/chown the XDG_RUNTIME_DIR ?
2025-10-23 02:22:48 <swee> Nice, Plasma updated to 6.5 recently but I'm having an error with a specific package
2025-10-23 02:22:48 <swee> ERROR: kdeplasma-addons-6.5.0-r0: trying to overwrite usr/share/plasma/weather/noaa_station_list.xml owned by plasma-workspace-6.4.5-r1.
2025-10-23 02:22:48 <swee> (139/256) Upgrading kdeplasma-addons (6.4.5-r0 -> 6.5.0-r0)
2025-10-23 02:23:45 <Noisytoot1> swee: do you happen to have gwenview and/or okular installed?
2025-10-23 02:23:50 <swee> yes
2025-10-23 02:24:30 <swee> plasma-workspace is still at 6.4.5
2025-10-23 02:25:05 <Noisytoot1> swee: They need to be rebuilt, otherwise you won't be able to upgrade fully and will have a broken system. I submitted an MR to rebuild them. Until it's merged you could bump the pkgrel and build them yourself if you want.
2025-10-23 02:25:15 <Noisytoot1> !91978
2025-10-23 02:25:38 <Noisytoot1> https://gitlab.alpinelinux.org/alpine/aports/merge_requests/91978
2025-10-23 02:26:31 <Noisytoot1> or you could download the CI artifacts from the PR if you don't want to rebuild them yourself (or just wait for it to be merged)
2025-10-23 02:30:02 <Noisytoot1> s/PR/MR/
2025-10-23 02:31:22 <swee> same things :D
2025-10-23 07:26:26 <Sertonix[m]> hummer12007: Not really. I use rc_env="*" and only export XDG_RUNTIME_DIR in /etc/profile.d but still mkdir in /etc/init.d/user. It's also possible to install openrc-user-pam and some pam module for runtimedir if you want to use pam.
2025-10-23 08:07:33 <hummer12007> Sertonix[m]: it's a server, so i don't really want to tie it to user login
2025-10-23 08:07:56 <hummer12007> so i did patch the service and added pam_rundir
2025-10-23 08:22:23 <zacuke> :
2025-10-23 13:52:07 <krisk> hi, has anyone uses strongswan as a client (aka roadworrior) for IPsec VPN connection? seems to me that what's packaged for Alipne configures it to run as 'ipsec' user so when it comes to setting up DNS with resolvconf it fails as that requires root
2025-10-23 15:50:10 <wizzard> Its dracut the recommended replacement for mkinitfs that provices the ability to remotely unlock luks?
2025-10-23 15:54:49 <Noisytoot> how does that work, sshd in initramfs that you can ssh to to unlock the disks remotely?
2025-10-23 16:17:42 <wizzard> yes sshd or dropbear in the initramfs. I was reading through the open MR for mkinitfs and found a comment from 22.12.2022 mentioning that dracut is a alternative initramfs which supports remote unlock.  https://gitlab.alpinelinux.org/alpine/mkinitfs/-/merge_requests/86
2025-10-23 16:19:39 <wizzard> My motivation is use luks with cloud servers. For now I just enter the password in the qemu console from the cloud provider from the browser. In the future I would like to stop sending the luks passwort to my provider before unlocking. 
2025-10-23 16:26:37 <wizzard> This is the other mentioned software: https://github.com/anatol/booster
2025-10-23 16:28:43 <Noisytoot> how do I enable kexec? https://wiki.alpinelinux.org/wiki/Kexec says to boot with kexec_load_disabled=0 but I did that and still can't set the kernel.kexec_load_disabled sysctl to 0 or kexec
2025-10-23 16:30:03 <drakeerv[m]> Hello!
2025-10-23 16:46:49 <Noisytoot> even after booting with kexec_load_disabled=0 and adding kernel.kexec_load_disabled=0 to /etc/sysctl.conf, kernel.kexec_load_disabled is still 1. What else could be setting it?
2025-10-23 17:02:01 <drakeerv[m]> Anyone know have to fix the ksearch crash on alpine edge or is it a package issue?
2025-10-23 17:03:35 <Saijin_Naib[m]> @drakeerv are you fully updated? I think there were a number of packages that needed rebuilding after the Plasma release yesterday
2025-10-23 17:05:31 <drakeerv[m]> Saijin_Naib I just updated everything 15 minutes ago (ish). I had a apk issue but now that it is fixed everything is up to date with edge.
2025-10-23 17:07:31 <Saijin_Naib[m]> Okay, thanks for confirming. Do you have logs for the crash?
2025-10-23 17:08:30 <drakeerv[m]> I will try to get those. Additionally I have another friend on alpine edge and he is having the same issue to.
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2025-10-23 17:13:01 <Saijin_Naib[m]> That looks like a packaging change. Can you post the issue and the log on the gitlab?
2025-10-23 17:13:31 <Saijin_Naib[m]> The fact that another user can repro is also salient
2025-10-23 17:18:40 <drakeerv[m]> Saijin_Naib: Where do I upload it?
2025-10-23 17:20:27 <drakeerv[m]> Just make a issue on the aports repo?
2025-10-23 18:04:04 <drakeerv[m]> Im trying to register with gitlab but I am not getting a confirmation email.
2025-10-23 18:04:29 <ikke> drakeerv[m]: what mail provider?
2025-10-23 18:04:43 <drakeerv[m]> ikke: outlook
2025-10-23 18:04:51 <ikke> they block our emails
2025-10-23 18:05:21 <drakeerv[m]> Ok ill try another
2025-10-23 18:05:37 <ikke> I can delete the user if you want
2025-10-23 18:06:00 <drakeerv[m]> Yeah, should be drakeerv@outlook.com
2025-10-23 18:06:20 <ikke> done
2025-10-23 18:06:47 <drakeerv[m]> Thx
2025-10-23 18:07:26 <drakeerv[m]> f*ck microsoft
2025-10-23 18:11:02 <Noisytoot> I reported the kexec thing. https://gitlab.alpinelinux.org/alpine/aports/-/issues/17652
2025-10-23 18:17:40 <drakeerv[m]> <ikke> "they block our emails" <- I sent a code to drake@dragynfruit.com (selfhosted) and I still didn't get it. Is there a provider that is known to work?
2025-10-23 18:17:54 <ikke> drakeerv[m]: let me check the mail server logs
2025-10-23 18:18:41 <ikke> It says the mailbox does not exist
2025-10-23 18:19:36 <drakeerv[m]> What provider is known to work?
2025-10-23 18:20:08 <ikke> gmail works, but many others as well
2025-10-23 18:20:28 <ikke> protonmail
2025-10-23 18:20:56 <drakeerv[m]> Can you delete that account to? Ill just use gmail lol
2025-10-23 18:21:21 <drakeerv[m]> God i love email
2025-10-23 18:21:23 <ikke> done
2025-10-23 18:21:25 <ikke> yeah, ikr
2025-10-23 18:24:22 <pu9> Hello everbody, I am trying a new VPS hoster and they provide an Alpine ISO. However, when booting the ISO Alpine will ask for a userid and a password. I have never come across an install ISO that asked for a password (i.e. did not accept a blank password). Any ideas why? Other than making the ISO available, the hoster is completely clueless wrt
2025-10-23 18:24:22 <pu9> Alpine Linux.
2025-10-23 18:26:41 <ikke> pu9: the default alpine isos allow you to login with root and a blank password
2025-10-23 18:26:57 <ikke> If they use a cloud image, then it would need to provide an ssh key through user-data
2025-10-23 18:27:40 <drakeerv[m]> <ikke> "gmail works, but many others..." <- Gmail worked
2025-10-23 18:27:48 <ikke> I saw it in the logs
2025-10-23 18:29:12 <pu9> They had only the extended ISO, which I am not familiar with. I asked them to provide both the standard and the virtual images. They use Proxmox, me too, so I know that the virtual should work. But both ISOs still ask for a password. There's a bunch of cloud-init messages so maybe they have some kind of customisation?
2025-10-23 18:29:51 <ikke> Yeah, neither the standard, nor the extended images come with cloud-init
2025-10-23 18:30:16 <drakeerv[m]> ikke: Google did too lol
2025-10-23 18:39:16 <pu9> ikke: thanks, they indeed have no clue :)
2025-10-23 18:40:23 <ikke> They do not allow you to provide your own ISO?
2025-10-23 18:49:58 <pu9> ikke: No, but I have no problem if they download it for me. They just shouldn't mess around with it.
2025-10-23 18:59:51 <drakeerv[m]> <Saijin_Naib[m]> "That looks like a packaging..." <- https://gitlab.alpinelinux.org/alpine/aports/-/issues/17653
2025-10-23 20:23:26 <swee> Update: Plasma 6.5 now half-works, searching with KRunner and start menu's search causes a segfault
2025-10-23 20:24:06 <swee> https://p.swee.codes/swee/e1f9f27081544043a9a18efa15daaf81 plasmashell
2025-10-23 20:24:06 <swee> https://p.swee.codes/swee/332667d0dd0b484db3dc2d5dd5e889b7 krunner
2025-10-23 20:25:20 <swee> even after deleting bookmarks.xml it segfaults without useful info
2025-10-23 20:26:01 <Noisytoot> probably needs to be rebuilt
2025-10-23 20:46:08 <WhyNotHugo> With `abuild rootbld`, I see: usr_merge_nag.sh: /bin/sh: can't open '/dev/fd/8': No such file or directory
2025-10-23 20:46:20 <WhyNotHugo> I've also seen this happen during start-up of sourcehut's Alpine runners.
2025-10-23 23:54:14 <swee> You guys probably have to bump the whole kde stack at this point - spectacle is also broken
2025-10-24 03:06:35 <waffles[m]> hello!
2025-10-24 08:47:47 <frag> qutebrowser kinda unstable
2025-10-24 08:49:09 <achill> is your system up to date with apk upgrade -a?
2025-10-24 08:52:10 <frag> yes
2025-10-24 08:52:56 <frag> repo: v3.22
2025-10-24 08:53:28 <frag> qb: v3.5.0
2025-10-24 09:19:27 <krisk> FYI, found a work-around (config-around?) for DNS setup when using stongswan as IPsec VPN client (aka roadworrior).  strongswan is configured and built to run as 'ipsec' user on Alpine therefore it cannot modify requisite files with `resolvconf` which requires root privileges.  https://paste.rs/7KW9i
2025-10-24 12:02:38 <frag> some claim webkit browsers work on al, could it work on non-ARM/rpi computers but not on rpi phaps?
2025-10-24 12:03:09 <frag> is firefox ok for privacy? or it steals everything you type in?
2025-10-24 12:03:40 <frag> probably vimb would be good for me if webkit didnt crash every other minute
2025-10-24 12:15:40 <frag> oh firefox kinda depends on dbus
2025-10-24 12:20:17 <Sheila> frag: firefox has privacy controls that you can modify.
2025-10-24 12:23:53 <rnkn> how do I mount CDs (ISO-9660 images)? I've tried mounting with nautilus but I get "Error mounting /dev/loop0 at /run/media/rnkn/HARPOON: Filesystem type iso9660 not configured in kernel."
2025-10-24 12:24:02 <rnkn> which sounds non-trivial
2025-10-24 12:24:15 <longnoserob[m]> missing modules?
2025-10-24 12:26:58 <rnkn> I've installed libcdio so I'm not sure what else could be missing
2025-10-24 12:27:33 <rnkn> nothing on the wiki
2025-10-24 12:31:20 <Sheila> do you have a `/lib/modules/<kernel version string here>/kernel/fs/isofs/isofs.ko.gz`? if not, that's why.
2025-10-24 12:31:40 <Sheila> for myself, I have linux-lts-6.12.33-r0 so mine is at /lib/modules/6.12.33-0-lts/kernel/fs/isofs/isofs.ko.gz
2025-10-24 12:33:53 <rnkn> I have `/lib/modules/6.12.53-0-lts/kernel/fs/isofs/isofs.ko.gz`
2025-10-24 12:34:21 <rnkn> I'm just doing an apk upgrade and it's upgrading the kernel, so I'll try a reboot
2025-10-24 12:34:59 <Sheila> yeah, that's probably why it failed.
2025-10-24 12:35:22 <rnkn> oh it was failing prior, I'm doing an apk upgrade to see if it helps
2025-10-24 12:35:49 <Sheila> weird.
2025-10-24 12:46:59 <rnkn> apk upgrade && reboot and it's working
2025-10-24 12:47:04 <rnkn> I can now play Harpoon
2025-10-24 13:56:38 <invoked> krisk: that seems like a bug (to me), since most people using ipsec as a client would be hitting that i think. suggest you file an issue in gitlab, if you have time
2025-10-24 13:57:19 <krisk> invoked: yeah, thanks for confirming... was thinking alike but wanted to see what others think of it, meant to file a bug eventually but meanwhile found a config-around :)
2025-10-24 14:03:00 <krisk> I mean, I will file a bug eventually.
2025-10-24 14:05:00 <invoked> no worries. on systemd this probably isn't an issue (probably).  but i wouldn't really know, i haven't run ipsec in a long time
2025-10-24 14:09:23 <krisk> yep, it's mostly because `resolvconf` modifies root-owned files, while other DNS config/update methods may not require root at all
2025-10-24 14:10:12 <krisk> yet the default on Alpine is `resolvconf` AFAICT
2025-10-24 14:11:13 <invoked> resolvconf is on most systems. on systemd resolvconf talks to systemd-resolved via dbus, iirc
2025-10-24 14:11:17 <invoked> something like that
2025-10-24 14:14:22 <krisk> ah yes, quite right... I meant the subscriber default which is `dnsmasq` configured through files rather than over D-Bus
2025-10-24 15:33:33 <WhyNotHugo> It bothers me quite a bit the way `resolvconf` works by default, because on public wifi it replaces my local unbound with a untrusted external DNS server, and there's no DNSSEC validation at that point. Lovely recipe for MITMs
2025-10-24 15:34:50 <dwfreed> this is why I don't use resolvconf
2025-10-24 15:41:32 <krisk> yup, receiving DNS from DHCP is a matter of trust in what DHCP provides... in my home/lab network I completely override ISP's DNS with my own selection and none of the equipment in my networks has to be bothered... but indeed it's a bit of a hassle when roaming with a laptop
2025-10-24 15:42:41 <Sheila> dhcp clients generally let you specify what information to obtain from dhcp.
2025-10-24 15:47:39 <krisk> yes, on a roaming laptop it's straightforward, not so much on other equipment in LAN for which I find it much easier to override once and for all in my firewall/router
2025-10-24 16:28:03 <invoked> i'd guess the fix is strongswan needs some 'up' script similar to what openvpn does. and yeah, resolvconf is a kludge, but it's unclear to me what should take its place
2025-10-24 16:55:27 <notHorseface> screaming at the screen?
2025-10-24 16:55:33 <notHorseface> IT AIN'T A BUG.
2025-10-24 16:55:38 <notHorseface> it is a feature.
2025-10-24 16:55:41 <notHorseface> ?
2025-10-24 16:55:58 <notHorseface> I should take some xanax, I guess.
2025-10-24 16:56:01 <notHorseface> I'm not going to lie.
2025-10-24 16:56:02 <notHorseface> brb
2025-10-24 16:56:08 <dwfreed> O.o
2025-10-24 18:20:24 <Saijin_Naib[m]> When apk upgrade -al gives the Huh? error reporter did not find the broken constraints output, is there a verbose or other flag so I can have a better idea what it is upset about over?
2025-10-24 18:20:40 <Saijin_Naib[m]> I have nothing orphaned, nothing pinned, no virtual packages
2025-10-24 18:47:45 <Sertonix[m]> That is generally an apk solver bug. It's possible to build apk-tools locally with solver debug log and hopefully figure out what causes the issue.
2025-10-24 18:52:48 <Saijin_Naib[m]> Hmm, okay
2025-10-24 18:52:51 <Saijin_Naib[m]> Is that a flag I need to enable in the APKBUILD for apk-tools?
2025-10-24 18:52:52 <Saijin_Naib[m]> Is there a guide?
2025-10-24 20:31:20 <ikke> Saijin_Naib[m]: you need to uncomment that #define DEBUG_PRINT macro here: https://gitlab.alpinelinux.org/alpine/apk-tools/-/blob/master/src/app_adbgen.c
2025-10-25 00:39:50 <Noisytoot> why does linux-firmware-intel depend on linux-firmware-hp and linux-firmware-dell now?
2025-10-25 00:39:57 <Noisytoot> I'd rather not have any unnecessary firmware installed
2025-10-25 00:42:16 <omni> looks like it also depend on linux-firmware-lenovo
2025-10-25 00:43:08 <Noisytoot> yes, that also seems unnecessary (but I didn't notice it initially because it was already installed)
2025-10-25 00:48:57 <omni> I have no good answer to why it happened, though
2025-10-25 00:49:12 <omni> from what version did you upgrade?
2025-10-25 01:05:46 <Noisytoot1> edge to slightly newer edge
2025-10-25 01:17:39 <omni> perhaps you have a /var/log/apk.log so that you can be a bit more specific?
2025-10-25 01:18:00 <omni> it would help to figure out if this is a change with the aport or elsewhere
2025-10-25 02:00:52 <Noisytoot1> omni: linux-firmware-hp and linux-firmware-dell were added in 07bce2d8698db7b1f4b2e2bbbf75e27ec974a46f (when linux-firmware was upgraded), but I'm not sure why linux-firmware-intel depends on them
2025-10-25 02:01:37 <Noisytoot1> the upgrade was from linux-firmware 20250717-r1 to 20251021-r0
2025-10-25 07:20:36 <omni> Noisytoot1: thanks!
2025-10-25 09:11:37 <lifelover69[m]> Hello, I'm not able to login to my alpine vm. I'm running "nocloud_alpine-3.22.2-aarch64-uefi-tiny-r0.qcow2" with qemu, and i have tried the username : password combinations, "alpine : ", "alpine : alpine", "root : root" but none of these worked. LLM suggested me alpine:alpine, but i already tried that. The official website says "The login user for all images is "alpine". " Can anyone help please?
2025-10-25 09:18:23 <ikke> lifelover69[m]: that image uses   cloud-init, and requires you to provide an ssh key through CI-DATA
2025-10-25 09:23:24 <lifelover69[m]> i understand, thank you
2025-10-25 09:27:56 <jn> the nocloud image uses cloud-init? o.O
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2025-10-25 15:46:52 <whocares> Hey people, I need help understanding apk
2025-10-25 15:47:01 <whocares> Say I want to list all available versions of a package as well as which repository they are from.
2025-10-25 15:47:11 <whocares> I can get all available versions with `apk search -e --all <name>`, but it doesn't provide repository information.
2025-10-25 15:47:27 <whocares> I can get repository information with `apk version -a <name>`, but for some reason it doesn't list all available versions, only the current and the latest.
2025-10-25 15:47:36 <whocares> I cannot get repository information with `apk info`
2025-10-25 15:47:49 <whocares> Am I missing something?
2025-10-25 16:38:25 <realroot[m]> `apk policy <name>`
2025-10-25 17:39:59 <Meli> I'm trying to compile and build a package from aports in a chrooted alpine environment, the host is a debian system; when I run `abuild -r` as a normal user belonging to `abuild` group I get: `abuild-apk: setuid(0) failed: Operation not permitted`. I'm a bit lost
2025-10-25 17:41:26 <Sheila> you need to use --userspec=1000:300, or whatever the chroot environment's first normal user & abuild group IDs are.
2025-10-25 17:41:41 <Sheila> +when you use `chroot`
2025-10-25 17:49:34 <Meli> Sheila: ah, I didn't know this option; just tried it and I was already logged as the normal user, but with the `$HOME` still pointing to `/root`, fixed it and launched `abuild -r` again, same issue as before :(
2025-10-25 17:50:33 <Sheila> you also need to ensure your build environment is chown'd 1000:300
2025-10-25 17:56:37 <Meli> still nothing changed
2025-10-25 17:56:41 <Meli> I did the same on a normal alpine system months ago and everything went smoothly
2025-10-25 17:58:25 <whocares> Thanks!
2025-10-25 18:03:06 <el[m]1> is anybody else having trouble filing a bug on the alpine gitlab? it says "Something went wrong when creating issue. Please try again." for me
2025-10-25 18:12:12 <Meli> Sheila: fixed, I'm stupid on using the `-r` option; installed the dependencies as root and then launched `abuild` without parameters. Thank you for the support! :D
2025-10-25 18:43:54 <ikke> el[m]1: I thought maybe a spam block, but I don't see any logs of that
2025-10-25 21:03:56 <WhyNotHugo> Can I tell buildrepo to ignore packages already in repostiroy at https://some/repo ?
2025-10-25 23:56:02 <ikke> WhyNotHugo: Don't think so
2025-10-26 01:08:58 <Kolev> Noisytoot: Do you use edge?
2025-10-26 01:26:51 <el[m]1> ikke: it seems to be that my issue description was too long. slightly strange that there isn't a more understandable error for that
2025-10-26 01:27:10 <el[m]1> gitlab being gitlab i guess
2025-10-26 02:44:53 <cmei> hello anyone
2025-10-26 05:17:45 <waffles[m]> Getting Pipewire working on Alpine has been an absolute bitch
2025-10-26 05:17:49 <waffles[m]> I never got it working lol
2025-10-26 06:03:50 <swee> trying to setup mariadb in alpine edge, FATAL ERROR: Could not fine ./share/mariadb/fill_help_tables.sql
2025-10-26 06:03:58 <swee> s/fine/find
2025-10-26 06:05:21 <swee> important part: it's trying to use ./
2025-10-26 06:06:37 <swee> lots of things are broken (around after using merge-usr) because it's trying to use ./
2025-10-26 06:07:21 <cmei> im trying to follow, but i am no expert, and im just in containers.. && i know nothing of merge-usr;
2025-10-26 06:07:36 <cmei> im proly not helpful
2025-10-26 06:07:49 <cmei> but i got containers, & im present. :/
2025-10-26 06:08:13 <longnoserob[m]> https://pkgs.alpinelinux.org/contents?file=fill_help_tables.sql&path=&name=&branch=edge&repo=&arch=
2025-10-26 06:08:19 <longnoserob[m]> it should be in user/share
2025-10-26 06:08:32 <longnoserob[m]>  in /usr/share
2025-10-26 06:12:00 <cmei> i am here to reproduce to the best of my ability, if you will show me how; but i will not be the person who has the answers :/
2025-10-26 06:12:22 <cmei> i gots containers up :D
2025-10-26 06:18:30 <swee> longnoserob[m]: yeah but running `rc-service mariadb setup` is trying to use ./ instead of /usr/
2025-10-26 06:18:55 <swee> and mariadb-install-db
2025-10-26 06:19:07 <swee> cmei: I'm using a QEMU VM
2025-10-26 06:20:26 <swee> and when i set pwd to /usr it installs to ./data (which is /usr/data)
2025-10-26 06:22:10 <swee> Also similar behavior when trying to use QtWebEngine. It attempts to search in /share/qt6 instead of /usr/share/qt6
2025-10-26 06:22:38 <swee> https://p.swee.codes/swee/d9f67b1c7a7442fcbdb4afdffadff12b
2025-10-26 06:25:49 <swee> a lot of silly behavior after merging usr!
2025-10-26 06:25:58 <swee> s/ing/ing to
2025-10-26 06:40:18 <cmei> i dont even know the last time i tried to run Qt things swee 
2025-10-26 06:40:31 <cmei> & i dont have a way to test any of that.
2025-10-26 06:40:44 <swee> funnily enough I daily drive Alpine on my Laptop x3
2025-10-26 06:40:46 <swee> call me crazy
2025-10-26 06:41:43 <cmei> i only run alpine in containers or on baremetal as servers.. for a decade now, but in my mind that is its designed use case
2025-10-26 06:42:18 <cmei> ive never run gui things on it.. nor can i right now.. i dont have the hardware
2025-10-26 06:42:56 <cmei> 
ACTION removes his containers in waiting

2025-10-26 06:43:21 <cmei> podman rm eloquent_diffie :D
2025-10-26 06:43:50 <cmei> i am sorry i cannot be helpful swee !
2025-10-26 07:08:32 <frag> can chromium open an url in new tab, but not switch to that tab? like qutebrowser --target tab-bg
2025-10-26 07:53:09 <cmei> frag: i have no clue. you should ask chromium
2025-10-26 07:54:47 <cmei> swee: i just re-read out lil talk, and i didnt realize we were talking qemu vm.. uh.......... i am no more helpfule, im sorry; but it makes more questions :/
2025-10-26 07:57:45 <cmei> alpine was designed & made for specific use cases & constraints.. ive never understood those asking for support for it be anything else..
2025-10-26 07:58:54 <cmei> alpine has inspired me personally for over a decade.. in the cloud, in seattle, i preached it soo hard to everyonne.. when 200mg ubuntu was everywhere......:/
2025-10-26 08:00:17 <cmei> then docker happened. everyone needed to understand their actual needs all over again... cause utility bills.. 
2025-10-26 08:01:31 <cmei> ive watched alpine become a distro that can support gui enviros.. but i never thought that was what it was ever tying to be.. right ?
2025-10-26 08:04:03 <cmei> i think they shoulda publicly said no to it all a decade ago ?! use-case; alpine is awesome; focus on what matters ?!  
2025-10-26 08:05:44 <cmei> im gonna stop talking; i wanna be clear; i have loved alpine for soo long.. for what they originally made & supported;
2025-10-26 08:05:59 <cmei> i preached em in docker for soo long :D :D :D
2025-10-26 08:06:56 <cmei> apk is soo clear cut; your repos get dragged down by bs.. own your scope, say no;
2025-10-26 08:08:08 <cmei> :E :# :E :# 
2025-10-26 08:11:18 <cmei> as a user; i wish everytime i did a docker/podman pull from anywhere; it was a nightly build, edge or not... if you were just focused on your own scopes, it would be soo easy to be doing... :D :D
2025-10-26 08:12:36 <cmei> plz dont mis-hear me; yall kick ass !!!  i just think watching this become a 'distro' has been terrible... you the best platform to ship from,
2025-10-26 08:12:42 <cmei> :D :D
2025-10-26 08:12:43 <cmei> ?
2025-10-26 08:13:38 <cmei> users are lusers :/
2025-10-26 08:39:34 <cmei> i should peace out now for saying that.. :D soo im gonna :D sorry.......... 
2025-10-26 08:51:42 <ddk> hello, one of the package i installed (headscale) doesn't start at boot after running `rc-update add headscale`. why is that?
2025-10-26 09:23:46 <lopid> is it there for boot when you do `rc-updaet`?
2025-10-26 09:23:48 <lopid> et
2025-10-26 09:23:50 <lopid> bah
2025-10-26 09:26:23 <ddk> lopid: yes
2025-10-26 09:27:29 <lopid> can you see it trying to start from the console?
2025-10-26 09:28:04 <ddk> lopid: that works but not after restart its shutdown
2025-10-26 09:28:09 <ddk> i dont want to manualrestart
2025-10-26 09:28:12 <ddk> lopid: https://paste.opensuse.org/pastes/8e70676f6516
2025-10-26 09:28:20 <lopid> i mean does it appear there at boot?
2025-10-26 09:28:36 <ddk> wdym?
2025-10-26 09:29:00 <lopid> when you boot it, services that start up appear as "Starting foo ..."
2025-10-26 09:29:28 <ddk> where can i see that?
2025-10-26 09:29:35 <lopid> vt1
2025-10-26 09:29:41 <lopid> ctrl-alt-f1 if you're at a gui
2025-10-26 09:29:51 <ddk> i only have cli
2025-10-26 09:30:14 <lopid> so you can't see bootup messages at all?
2025-10-26 09:31:34 <ddk> i am not sure, it's an LXC container
2025-10-26 09:31:49 <lopid> it's probably possible
2025-10-26 09:32:01 <lopid> it might be need startup dependency
2025-10-26 09:32:18 <ddk> the above paste doesnt show "boot" text beside headscale, coudl it be that?
2025-10-26 09:32:22 <angeloverlain[m]> on diskless, it seems that when you boot, alpine will automatically install the latest versions available in the cache. Is there a way to have consistent package versions so that when I boot I have the exact same package versions?
2025-10-26 09:32:22 <angeloverlain[m]> I want to be able to make sure each apkovl loads the exact package versions it had when it was created.
2025-10-26 09:32:28 <lopid> no, "default" is ok
2025-10-26 09:33:56 <lopid> try making it start after those cloudy services https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/OpenRC#Dependency_behavior
2025-10-26 09:36:03 <ddk> lopid: i did "rc-update add headscale boot" and now it starts after reboot
2025-10-26 09:36:16 <lopid> hm. good, then
2025-10-26 09:43:11 <lopid> so it's in both now?
2025-10-26 10:07:17 <ddk> lopid: yeah
2025-10-26 11:01:27 <Sertonix[m]> swee: Could you mention a reproducer of the mariadb issue on #17612
2025-10-26 13:20:09 <strangePerson> hi everyone! I wrote an APKBUILD for rust-rpxy (https://github.com/junkurihara/rust-rpxy/) but stuck with a problem: the repository itself contains submodules and they are not included in the release tarball. what do I do about it? I can just clone the repo in prepare(), but I don't think it is a good way to go, because checksums will not be calculated.
2025-10-26 15:05:04 <Sertonix[m]> You can add a second tarball to source and move the extracted directory in prepare() into the right position
2025-10-26 16:06:19 <Noisytoot> Kolev: yes
2025-10-26 18:16:20 <Kolev> Noisytoot how often do you update it?
2025-10-26 18:17:39 <swee> Update on KRunner: It only segfaults when the Applications plugin is enabled on Plasma Search
2025-10-26 18:23:03 <Kolev> weirdtreething I commented on an issue with your audio setup script. BLOOGLET is having issues with headphones on Alpine edge.
2025-10-26 18:41:22 <weirdtreething> guess I can try alpine on my blooguard
2025-10-26 18:41:31 <weirdtreething> it is pretty much the same device
2025-10-26 20:45:53 <Noisytoot1> Kolev: Often. Daily sometimes
2025-10-26 20:53:25 <mebious> waffles[m]: what issues were you having with pipewire?
2025-10-26 20:58:50 <waffles[m]> mebious: I couldn't get it to start was super weird 
2025-10-26 21:02:33 <mebious> as far as i know you just need to have a dbus session running beforehand
2025-10-26 21:02:48 <mebious> were there any error messages?
2025-10-26 21:06:38 <waffles[m]> I tried doing a user service as the wiki recommended but it would say pipewire is already starting
2025-10-26 21:06:56 <waffles[m]> I was using elogind and dbus and had valid sessions for both
2025-10-26 21:07:24 <shield[m]> what issue do you have
2025-10-26 21:07:29 <shield[m]> pipewire user service fails to start?
2025-10-26 21:07:30 <waffles[m]> I checked my rc service statuses and didn't see pipewire or wireplumber running
2025-10-26 21:07:34 <waffles[m]> Yeah
2025-10-26 21:07:53 <shield[m]> rc-service -U pipewire start doesnt work?
2025-10-26 21:07:56 <waffles[m]> No
2025-10-26 21:08:06 <waffles[m]> Says pipewire is already starting
2025-10-26 21:08:33 <shield[m]> is it in your rc-update -U
2025-10-26 21:08:34 <waffles[m]> Running pipewire-launcher did not resolve this either
2025-10-26 21:08:34 <shield[m]> pipewire
2025-10-26 21:08:45 <waffles[m]> No
2025-10-26 21:09:00 <shield[m]> restart instead of start
2025-10-26 21:09:04 <shield[m]> what does that do
2025-10-26 21:09:50 <waffles[m]> Idk I need to setup an environment to test it, I had to install void in the meantime to make sure I wasnt crazy
2025-10-26 21:10:37 <shield[m]> the service works for me
2025-10-26 21:10:43 <waffles[m]> Ya I heard from my friend it should work fine
2025-10-26 21:11:01 <waffles[m]> I tested it on multiple fresh installs and was unable to get it working
2025-10-26 21:12:18 <waffles[m]> I must be doing something wrong but I followed the docs exactly
2025-10-26 21:13:12 <shield[m]> Does wpctl status not return anything
2025-10-26 21:13:23 <shield[m]> while wireplumber and pipewire are started
2025-10-26 21:13:32 <waffles[m]> Neither are started
2025-10-26 21:13:55 <shield[m]> start them?
2025-10-26 21:14:03 <waffles[m]> Csnt it says already started
2025-10-26 21:14:26 <shield[m]> then restart...
2025-10-26 21:14:35 <waffles[m]> This happens before I've even configured the user services too nothings running at this point
2025-10-26 21:15:08 <waffles[m]> But yeah lemme get home I'll try restarting them
2025-10-26 21:20:02 <mebious> i also had trouble figuring out user services so i launch them using superd instead
2025-10-26 21:21:14 <shield[m]> I define XDG_RUNTIME_DIR in /etc/profile so I dont have to use elogind
2025-10-26 21:21:28 <waffles[m]> Yeeee
2025-10-27 00:02:01 <ovf> i can't yet figure out what exactly is going on, but looks like linux 6.17 somehow broke (nft? xt?) MASQUERADE, and transitively docker. symptoms are as in https://github.com/moby/moby/issues/50615 , and the analysis/fix is likely as in https://github.com/void-linux/void-packages/issues/57399 . but i don't understand why disabling legacy xtables affects iptables-nft...
2025-10-27 00:11:39 <ovf> achill fossdd: i still don't understand this but now i see that linux-stable config has lots of CONFIG_NETFILTER_XT_TARGET_*=m but no ..._MASQUERADE. probably needs that now in 6.17?
2025-10-27 02:18:37 <runxiyu> hey
2025-10-27 02:18:42 <runxiyu> https://pkgs.alpinelinux.org/package/edge/testing/x86_64/ghidra says A Cross Platform and Open Source Electronics Design Automation Suite
2025-10-27 02:18:45 <runxiyu> i think this is wrong...?
2025-10-27 02:18:49 <runxiyu> sounds like kicad
2025-10-27 03:38:24 <longnoserob[m]> indeed
2025-10-27 03:44:17 <dwfreed> fun fact: it's been wrong since it was added: https://gitlab.alpinelinux.org/alpine/aports/-/commit/85ce6629304c7b6a2fac03a76925fe80cb425f5a
2025-10-27 03:46:33 <longnoserob[m]> hmm
2025-10-27 09:15:12 <krisk> invoked: Re. strongswan 'up' script to configure DNS when running as non-root... that was my initial thought but at this point any scripts it may invoke are already run as non-root, so I don't think it'd help. In fact, the strongswan documentation suggests something similar to what I did in my config-around:
2025-10-27 09:15:14 <krisk> https://docs.strongswan.org/docs/latest/install/reducedPrivileges.html#_running_strongswan_as_non_root
2025-10-27 09:35:18 <krisk> FYI, created an issue: https://gitlab.alpinelinux.org/alpine/aports/-/issues/17663
2025-10-27 15:01:29 <invoked> krisk: thanks for reporting it. i'm not sure what should be done there, but that way feels too kludgey to me. and i don't see alpine adding doas.d files either. probably, strongswan could be a user service and something needs to be figured out vis a vis resolvconf.
2025-10-27 15:05:18 <invoked> that work would benefit openvpn & friends as well
2025-10-27 15:09:57 <krisk> agreed alpine should not mess with doas.d, it's just my local config-around to make it work for _me_ but does not seem suitable as a solution for the distro
2025-10-27 15:10:43 <krisk> also agreed it's more something around resolvconf... on a desktop system with nm, a user can faff around with dns as nm is privileged enough to accept and configure it system-wide
2025-10-27 16:12:22 <clandmeter> PureTryOut: is there an issue with sddm when upgrading to .22? it does not seem to start anymore. 
2025-10-27 19:15:34 <Kolev> Noisytoot: headset didn't work in alpine switched to fedora again
2025-10-27 23:03:31 <MrCollins> hello. I am using the latest alpine linux. Kinda newbish and not sure what I am doing 100%. I am trying to enable clipboard access to proxmox. I dont know how to enable qemu tools to the command line only interface. 
2025-10-27 23:04:35 <MrCollins> I do apk add qemu doesnt work
2025-10-27 23:05:53 <longnoserob[m]> https://wiki.alpinelinux.org/wiki/QEMU#Run_a_guest_OS_on_Alpine_Linux_using_KVM/QEMU
2025-10-27 23:06:19 <MrCollins> longnoserob[m], TY
2025-10-27 23:07:14 <MrCollins> I am using proxmox to host the VM of Alpine
2025-10-27 23:08:38 <MrCollins> apk add qemu-system-x86_64 says ERROR unable to select packages 
2025-10-27 23:11:12 <longnoserob[m]> try qemu-x86_64
2025-10-27 23:11:46 <MrCollins> no such opackages
2025-10-27 23:12:00 <longnoserob[m]> hmm
2025-10-27 23:12:55 <longnoserob[m]> and qemu-tools?
2025-10-27 23:19:48 <feuerteufel> MrCollins: Are you trying to install a Alpine VM on your Proxmox host?
2025-10-27 23:38:42 <Habbie> if you get that ERROR you have a general problem with installing packages that you need to solve first
2025-10-27 23:38:57 <Habbie> but qemu-x86_64 or qemu-system-x86_64 won't fix the clipboard. qemu-tools might
2025-10-28 03:48:45 <rnkn>  hmm.. is it unwise for me to build a webapp locally on Alpine Linux that will run on an OpenBSD server?
2025-10-28 04:21:49 <dwfreed> is the webapp actually compiled?
2025-10-28 04:24:20 <rnkn> nope, Perl
2025-10-28 04:25:08 <longnoserob[m]> then it is probaby more an issue of config and dependencies
2025-10-28 04:25:43 <longnoserob[m]> probably
2025-10-28 04:38:47 <dwfreed> yeah, unless there are dependencies which are OS specific, then there's not really a "build" in the usual sense
2025-10-28 06:13:15 <Sertonix[m]> MrCollins: You might need to enable the community repository before you can install qemu
2025-10-28 06:27:58 <mason> rnkn: Use local::lib and you should be very portable.
2025-10-28 06:28:24 <rnkn> mason: carton -- even more portable!
2025-10-28 06:28:55 <mason> https://metacpan.org/pod/Carton - hadn't encountered that before
2025-10-28 06:38:27 <rnkn> it's awesome
2025-10-28 06:56:53 <quinq> Perl en carton
2025-10-28 16:33:05 <MrCollins> qemu-tools says no such package required by world
2025-10-28 16:34:21 <MrCollins> feels like I have a borked install I guess. I downloaded the virtual version 
2025-10-28 16:36:16 <MrCollins> it feels like every package I try to download it says 'no such packahe and required by 'world'[insert needed package here]
2025-10-28 16:38:46 <MrCollins> I apologize. I fixed it. I had to uncomment /etc/repo
2025-10-28 17:27:51 <phosphor> Trying to start a page about the Cosmic desktop on the wiki but my user (Jay) got spam binned.
2025-10-28 21:49:00 <ikke> phosphor: chekcing
2025-10-28 21:49:43 <ikke> phosphor: should be fixed now
2025-10-29 08:17:13 <hummer12007> hi, is there anything preventing openrc from being bumped on stable to 0.62.10? i got hit by https://github.com/openrc/openrc/issues/929
2025-10-29 10:10:27 <edgerunner> hello, i have a service (headscale) which doesn't start on boot after doing `rc-update add headscale` `rc-update add headscale boot`
2025-10-29 10:10:34 <edgerunner> .
2025-10-29 10:20:40 <lopid> deja vu
2025-10-29 10:51:39 <rwaffen> hi, is this the right place to ask how the gitlab workflow/review process works after opening a MR on the gitlab for adding a new package? i read the docu on how to do it and adding all the stuff and opening a MR. but how do i proceed now, or what are the next steps?
2025-10-29 11:04:19 <ikke> rwaffen: If you have created an MR, now you have to wait for someone to have an opportunity to review the MR
2025-10-29 11:28:33 <quinq> Hi
2025-10-29 11:28:50 <quinq> Is there a way to specify a specific MAC address for an interface in ifupdown-ng?
2025-10-29 11:29:11 <quinq> I can't see anything about this in interfaces(5), but maybe it's documented somewhere else
2025-10-29 11:29:16 <quinq> (or maybe it's just not possible)
2025-10-29 11:32:00 <quinq> Hummmm, I see a *pre-up* command, maybe I can use this as a “work-around”
2025-10-29 12:01:02 <e_> I have a question regarding licensing of alpine packages: I want to create a new alpine package for pocketid and read the packaging guidelines regarding go/js packages. Is there a tool to collect all of the licenses? As far as I can tell, there are 100s of deps with their own licenses. 
2025-10-29 12:02:11 <rwaffen> @ikke: okay, was not sure, because there are 800 something MRs waiting XD
2025-10-29 12:02:25 <rwaffen> but thx :)
2025-10-29 12:31:48 <realroot[m]> how name subpackage package fn for : `pkgname=fcitx5-osk` `subpackages="$pkgname-kwin-launcher"` ?
2025-10-29 12:31:54 <realroot[m]> package()
2025-10-29 12:34:15 <realroot[m]> wiki is not helpinh
2025-10-29 13:15:36 <waffles[m]> KDE is fucking killing ms
2025-10-29 13:15:38 <waffles[m]> s/ms/me/
2025-10-29 13:15:51 <waffles[m]> Also for some reason futo keyboard doesnt like the word me and wants to autocorrect it to ms
2025-10-29 13:16:11 <waffles[m]> And grayjay won't play youtube videos
2025-10-29 13:38:08 <dwfreed> realroot[m]: look at other packages that have subpackages?
2025-10-29 13:42:23 <phosphor> ikke: thanks. It worked.
2025-10-29 13:44:56 <toric> So I have `ttyS[0-9]*	root:dialout 0660` in my mdev.conf, but /dev/ttyS0 is still owned by root... Any ideas?
2025-10-29 17:41:11 <realroot[m]> i looked blender APKBUILD but it won't work wiht kwin-launcher() and others but i think that i better do something else than tryingt that. i removed subpackge to test
2025-10-29 18:45:53 <mebious> realroot[m]: you can't use hyphens in subpackage functions and should be specified as "subpkgname:splitfunc" in the subpackages field
2025-10-29 18:46:46 <realroot[m]> kwin-launcher:kwin_launcher() did not work too
2025-10-29 18:47:23 <mebious> "kwin-launcher:kwin_launcher" should be in the subpackage field
2025-10-29 18:47:32 <mebious> while the function should be "kwin_launcher()"
2025-10-29 18:48:37 <realroot[m]> what subpackage field?
2025-10-29 18:49:21 <realroot[m]> `>>> ERROR: fcitx5-osk-kwin-launcher: Missing split function for fcitx5-osk-kwin-launcher`
2025-10-29 18:50:37 <mebious> do you have a link to the APKBUILD file?
2025-10-29 19:29:04 <realroot[m]> mebious WIP https://paste.trom.tf/ranusanefe.bash
2025-10-29 19:30:00 <mebious> line 12 should be "subpackages="$pkgname-kwin-launcher:kwin_launcher"
2025-10-29 19:43:11 <realroot[m]> i see thanks
2025-10-29 19:43:21 <realroot[m]> i find the wiki not so clear
2025-10-29 20:06:31 <HerryJames[m]> Hey there... (full message at <https://matrix.org/oftc/media/v1/media/download/AQ1xcDk18CXXHHhq0qLfGRk4KE_BfB2DH0HmyBAoAlrmmnhA1LaT7ouSE-r8NmW2VkWD9GDOCZXjOgbMjsoJTG9Ceaea08-AAG1hdHJpeC5vcmcvVldvUFd1SUd3UWVQcExhclVKQm1CQU91>)
2025-10-30 01:30:14 <Awaxx> Hello
2025-10-30 01:32:06 <Awaxx> I'm using edge and lately I got a problem while rebooting my HP laptop... it freeze awhile stoping daemons...
2025-10-30 01:33:11 <Awaxx> by commenting this # ::shutdown:/sbin/openrc shutdown into /etc/inittab my pc can poweroff and reboot normally.
2025-10-30 01:34:44 <Awaxx> I guess it's something wrong with openrc... I didn't look further I'm lazy :D
2025-10-30 01:34:55 <Awaxx> cu next time. o/
2025-10-30 07:40:26 <hazardaj_nombroj> so, uh, i've been getting coredumps from Xwayland in my home directory
2025-10-30 07:40:53 <hazardaj_nombroj> after installing xwayland-dbg, it seems that the error is triggered at os/utils.c:794
2025-10-30 07:41:43 <hazardaj_nombroj> a copy of xwayland's source code i found on github (might be the wrong version though) indicates that the error is "fakescreenfps must be an integer in [1;600] range"
2025-10-30 07:42:09 <hazardaj_nombroj> and using gdb to obtain the FakeScreenFps value returns 0
2025-10-30 07:43:56 <hazardaj_nombroj> doesn't seem to make sense, since there's no fakescreenfps parameter?
2025-10-30 07:45:25 <hazardaj_nombroj> okay, got the code for specifically xwayland 24.1.8, and the code is there in the same location
2025-10-31 08:36:34 <rnkn> try as I might, I cannot get colour in my git diff less
2025-10-31 08:36:40 <rnkn> why might this be?
2025-10-31 08:44:35 <longnoserob[m]> git diff --color ?
2025-10-31 08:54:12 <rnkn> longnoserob[m]: if only it were that simple
2025-10-31 08:54:40 <rnkn> oh wait, because less is actually busybox
2025-10-31 08:54:43 <rnkn> solved
2025-10-31 08:56:08 <longnoserob[m]> ah ok.. 
2025-10-31 11:57:46 <rnkn> I'm just looking at the setup-disk script. I was under the impression FDE was only available with ZFS but it looks like it's available for ext4?
2025-10-31 11:59:44 <quinq> There is LUKS
2025-10-31 12:00:04 <quinq> ZFS is more recent
2025-10-31 12:06:11 <realroot[m]> LUKS will work for ext4 etc.
2025-10-31 12:06:37 <rnkn> is the setup automatic through setup-alpine? I don't wanna have to think
2025-10-31 12:06:53 <quinq> You'll have a hard time using a computer without thinking :/
2025-10-31 12:06:55 <quinq> https://wiki.alpinelinux.org/wiki/Full_disk_encryption_secure_boot
2025-10-31 12:07:25 <rnkn> > Disclaimer : this is not to be followed
2025-10-31 12:07:27 <rnkn> hmm
2025-10-31 12:07:50 <quinq> oops, sorry I didn't see this ^^
2025-10-31 12:07:58 <quinq> https://wiki.alpinelinux.org/wiki/Setting_up_encrypted_volumes_with_LUKS
2025-10-31 12:08:05 <quinq> I suppose this can help
2025-10-31 12:08:55 <quinq> https://wiki.alpinelinux.org/wiki/Setting_up_a_laptop
2025-10-31 12:09:07 <quinq> Though personally, I'm uzing FDE/ZFS
2025-10-31 12:09:44 <toric> For mdev, is there a list of the env vars that get populated for matching? Like SUBSYSTEM, PRODUCT, INTERFACE, etc?
2025-10-31 12:09:56 <rnkn> I wanna avoid ZFS.. I think simple things
2025-10-31 12:10:46 <rnkn> I think my plan is to backup the system, run setup-alpine and see if it does FDE for me
2025-10-31 12:11:32 <rnkn> s/I think simple things/I like simple things/
2025-10-31 12:11:40 <rnkn> although both are probably true
2025-10-31 13:10:21 <rnkn> what’s the laziest way I can backup my whole system?
2025-10-31 13:12:29 <lopid> rsync
2025-10-31 13:13:36 <rnkn> lopid: sounds as good as any plan
2025-10-31 13:14:00 <lopid> not necessarily good
2025-10-31 14:36:44 <ayex[m]> comparing the whole process from start to end, I find backup via borgbackup or restic much butter.
2025-10-31 14:38:13 <ayex[m]> it is not that much more difficult to setup. but as big benefits one gets encrypted incremental backups, where one can peek at any file at any given snapshot.
2025-10-31 14:38:47 <Habbie> +100 for restic (or borg, i never tried it, but i know it's similar)
2025-10-31 14:38:54 <ayex[m]> tldr: less space wasted, better access to version, better security through encryption.
2025-10-31 14:39:01 <Habbie> but rsync is definitely the laziest way that i do for some machines. Sometimes the target machine then goes into restic
2025-10-31 14:40:53 <ayex[m]> Habbie: indeed they are very similar. I used borg now for quite a while, but at work I needed to also backup win(🤮 ) systems - so restic helped wiht that.
2025-10-31 14:41:08 <Habbie> ah right, portability
2025-10-31 14:41:56 <ayex[m]> exactly 🙂
2025-10-31 14:42:38 <ayex[m]> and both are very fast - it is an actual joy to backup with them.
2025-10-31 14:43:06 <Habbie> the restic Rust rewrite called 'rustic' claims some improvements over restic. i have not tried it yet
2025-10-31 14:43:10 <ayex[m]> which is a big plus in my book for a backup system.
2025-10-31 14:43:21 <Habbie> i have one system that runs out of memory with restic, i should try rustic there
2025-10-31 14:43:42 <ayex[m]> ah? there is a rust rewrite? I had not heard of that one - I need to check that one out.
2025-10-31 14:44:16 <Habbie> or i add a bit of swap. probably the easier way out ;)
2025-10-31 17:32:27 <failxontour[m]> hi everyone 🙂
2025-10-31 18:02:30 <failxontour[m]> i was wondering if someone could tell me if there is vscodium as ide available on alpine aarch64
2025-10-31 18:04:35 <failxontour[m]> I could not find a community apk yet and was wondering if someone got that to work in their productive enviorement yet?
2025-10-31 18:04:48 <failxontour[m]> there is a .appimage available
2025-10-31 18:07:42 <failxontour[m]> I sold my current laptop and am thinking about replacing it with a Raspberry Pi 500+ now if I can get my hands on one and maybe installing alpine-linux for general desktop computing, webdev? I have had previous experience with Linux and cli and just wanna strip down my system to be more individual as was looking for alternative supporting new wm/de with wayland and cosmic
2025-10-31 18:08:11 <failxontour[m]> mainly desktop linux* not linux in general
2025-10-31 18:09:33 <failxontour[m]> i currently still am on cinnamon 6.14 on linux mint 22.2 zara
2025-10-31 18:09:49 <failxontour[m]> 6.48*
2025-10-31 18:14:55 <Sertonix[m]> vscodium is only available in the testing repository. If you use alpine edge you can enable that repository.
2025-10-31 18:17:13 <failxontour[m]> ty
2025-10-31 18:18:16 <failxontour[m]> then I may have to look for a suitable alternative when using stable build
2025-10-31 18:22:01 <failxontour[m]> most of my other packages seem to be already there that I may need halloy, firefox, chromium, keepassxc, thunderbird, gimp, inkscape, obs-studio, flameshot, picard, libreoffice, newsflash even gnome-podcasts is there
2025-10-31 18:22:01 <failxontour[m]> just missing some yet like darktable, scribus
2025-10-31 18:23:01 <ikke> darktable is packaged
2025-10-31 18:23:23 <failxontour[m]> dev tools wise alacritty,cgit is there you got vim, neovim and well all the other goodies you might need
2025-10-31 18:23:26 <failxontour[m]> ofc
2025-10-31 18:25:43 <failxontour[m]> ikke: https://ftp.halifax.rwth-aachen.de/alpine/latest-stable/community/aarch64/
2025-10-31 18:25:43 <failxontour[m]> I have been looking here and could not find them yet
2025-10-31 18:25:56 <ikke> ah sorry, not for aarch64
2025-10-31 18:26:16 <ikke> failxontour[m]: https://pkgs.alpinelinux.org/packages is a better source to find what is packaged
2025-10-31 18:27:28 <failxontour[m]> thanks
2025-10-31 18:28:33 <failxontour[m]> kinda went straight above that to the mirrors
2025-10-31 18:29:58 <phosphor> failxontour[m]: I'm using alpine with cosmic right now. Mostly working, very fast and stable. But it needs to be testing/edge repositories.
2025-10-31 18:30:41 <phosphor> I didn't mix and match, just switched entirely to testing/edge for this thinkpad. Crossing my fingers on future updates.
2025-10-31 18:32:20 <failxontour[m]> as I viewed the repos I think gaming is entirely out of question for alpine correct
2025-10-31 18:32:32 <ikke> phosphor: I have been running edge on my laptop of some time now, works out well
2025-10-31 18:32:33 <failxontour[m]> I mean there isn't even steam
2025-10-31 18:32:56 <ikke> failxontour[m]: for gaming, most people would use flatpack
2025-10-31 18:34:11 <failxontour[m]> what about element?
2025-10-31 18:34:17 <failxontour[m]> also flatpak
2025-10-31 18:34:42 <ikke> element-desktop
2025-10-31 18:34:54 <failxontour[m]> oh yeah I see i didnt see i had to use wildcards
2025-10-31 18:37:15 <failxontour[m]> obsidian would probably be a flatpak then
2025-10-31 18:37:42 <failxontour[m]> or appimage
2025-10-31 18:40:55 <failxontour[m]> is there something similar to copyq available?
2025-10-31 18:41:28 <failxontour[m]> for clipboard management
2025-10-31 18:41:40 <ikke> yes, I use copyq
2025-10-31 18:42:32 <failxontour[m]> did you build it yourself?
2025-10-31 18:43:32 <failxontour[m]> does not really require much
2025-10-31 18:46:18 <ikke> noi
2025-10-31 18:46:30 <ikke> https://pkgs.alpinelinux.org/packages?name=copyq&branch=edge&repo=&arch=&origin=&flagged=&maintainer=
2025-10-31 18:47:19 <failxontour[m]> ok either brave is messing with me or I just typed it wrong ^^
2025-10-31 18:48:10 <failxontour[m]> dont need the wallet or anything just prefer it to base chromium for it's anti-fingerprinting and built in adblocker
2025-10-31 22:27:31 <WhyNotHugo> do we have some wiki page or alike with all third-party abuild/apk tools?
2025-10-31 22:27:42 <WhyNotHugo> Tools, helpers, IDE plugins, linters, etc
2025-10-31 22:50:27 <mebious> don't think so