2025-04-01 12:08:19 <Soni> we would like to make an init system
2025-04-01 12:09:10 <Soni> where do we start?
2025-04-01 12:31:17 <pramodvu_> s6
2025-04-01 12:31:45 <pramodvu_> OR s6-rc
2025-04-01 12:31:47 <pramodvu_> OR 66
2025-04-01 15:35:09 <invoked> "good luck" (see you in 10 years)
2025-04-01 16:58:20 <mayli> So, anyone using `lbu` with a large system and limited memory?
2025-04-01 16:59:08 <frag> i always use unlimited memory
2025-04-01 16:59:19 <mayli> Something like a squashfs base system instead of loading everything into ram?
2025-04-01 17:11:05 <mayli> I am thinking about instead of unpacking .apkovl.tar.gz to ram, how about convert it to squashfs with tar2sqfs, then mount it with overlayfs, something similar with livecd, that avoids wasting ram on old/small devices.
2025-04-01 17:33:14 <mayli> Hmm, turns out I can just use the official iso + apkvol
2025-04-01 17:46:17 <voidastro[m]> alpine edge updates seem to not be working for a few days.. ERROR: unable to select packages:
2025-04-01 17:46:17 <voidastro[m]>   so:libxml2.so.16 (no such package):
2025-04-01 17:46:17 <voidastro[m]>     required by: clang16-extra-tools-16.0.6-r8[so:libxml2.so.16]
2025-04-01 17:51:46 <ikke> voidastro[m]: the builders are rebuilding packages to fix it
2025-04-01 17:52:02 <ikke> https://build.alpinelinux.org/
2025-04-01 18:55:56 <rhizoome> but if all packages are cached, alpine will install them before fstab is mounted. So after a reboot, everything is back in memory. But it turns out there is not that much. So I never tried to fix it.
2025-04-01 18:55:56 <rhizoome> overlay		/usr		overlay  lowerdir=/usr,upperdir=/zfs/grafter/usr/upper,workdir=/zfs/grafter/usr/work 0 0
2025-04-01 18:55:56 <rhizoome> mayli: I did 
2025-04-01 19:59:19 <realroot[m]> i disable the ui from chroot. i can use the tty
2025-04-01 19:59:27 <realroot[m]> chaingin to mdev maybe?
2025-04-01 19:59:27 <realroot[m]> nmcli shows interface unmanaged. how fix no keyboard and no mouse in the ui and all? setup-devd i think ruined it
2025-04-01 20:02:21 <ikke> Do you use something like seatd?
2025-04-01 20:06:47 <realroot[m]> not 100% sure i think yes
2025-04-01 20:07:02 <realroot[m]> can i check/enable services from chroot?
2025-04-01 20:07:52 <ikke> `find /etc/runlevels`
2025-04-01 20:08:50 <realroot[m]> when i ran setup-devd i answered y to "populate ..." i guess domething ran that already
2025-04-01 20:09:45 <realroot[m]> etc/runlevels/default/seatd
2025-04-01 20:10:19 <realroot[m]> i am running pinnacle, pre alpha now it was working fine
2025-04-01 20:11:36 <ikke> seems like the question to populate only matters for mdev
2025-04-01 20:11:55 <ikke> sorry, mdevd
2025-04-01 20:11:55 <realroot[m]> do iremove etc/runlevels/sysinit/mdev?
2025-04-01 20:12:12 <ikke> Do you want to switch to udev?
2025-04-01 20:12:22 <ikke> Would make sense with graphical environments
2025-04-01 20:12:49 <ikke> setup-devd udev would do that
2025-04-01 20:13:06 <realroot[m]> then yes do I need one for bluetooth?
2025-04-01 20:14:30 <ikke> one what?
2025-04-01 20:14:58 <SamuelMarks> I'm working on Alpine Linux builds for VMware, VirtualBox, Vagrant, Parallels, qemu, and Hyper-V; for x86_64 and aarch64.
2025-04-01 20:15:05 <realroot[m]> are mdev and mdevs for CLI?
2025-04-01 20:15:11 <SamuelMarks> 
ACTION posted here and got no interest [no replies] https://lists.alpinelinux.org/~alpine/devel/%3CCAMfPbcYsT%2BM7oAwAhxXtYN-0vy%2BLSFwQKLJ8_jbv%2BuskTj%2BAxQ%40mail.gmail.com%3E

2025-04-01 20:15:30 <realroot[m]> one of mdev, mdev or udev
2025-04-01 20:15:41 <ikke> SamuelMarks: You have to have a bit more patience, we have been working on fixing the repositories the last few days
2025-04-01 20:16:05 <ikke> SamuelMarks: also, are you familiar with https://www.alpinelinux.org/cloud/
2025-04-01 20:16:20 <SamuelMarks> ikke - Even a "+1" in response to the email would probably go a long way!
2025-04-01 20:16:53 <SamuelMarks> ikke - No I hadn't seen that one; good to see local qcow2
2025-04-01 20:16:54 <ikke> You may want to join forces with the cloud team that already builds a lot of images for various clouds / noclouds
2025-04-01 20:17:00 <SamuelMarks> Very happy to
2025-04-01 20:17:17 <ikke> https://gitlab.alpinelinux.org/alpine/cloud/
2025-04-01 20:17:22 <ikke> and #alpine-cloud
2025-04-01 20:17:33 <ikke> (irc channel)
2025-04-01 20:18:28 <SamuelMarks> https://gitlab.alpinelinux.org/alpine/cloud/alpine-cloud-images just made an account no issues
2025-04-01 20:18:32 <SamuelMarks> ah cool I'll join their channel
2025-04-01 20:20:32 <SamuelMarks> I'm just happy to not create my own qcow2 like I was @ https://github.com/SamuelMarks/bento/blob/da04a6a/alpine-3.21-aarch64-virtualbox-build.sh
2025-04-01 23:55:10 <WhyNotHugo> Running `mmcli --scan-modems` I get: error: couldn't request to scan devices: 'GDBus.Error:org.freedesktop.ModemManager1.Error.Core.Failed: PolicyKit authorization error: 'authority not found''
2025-04-01 23:55:14 <WhyNotHugo> Any idea what this means?
2025-04-02 00:49:05 <broski[m]> From Trusted and Vouched Dealers... (full message at <https://matrix.org/oftc/media/v1/media/download/AeG3hdeFci2fgFqrqTnS9oZX5VG-6tb5kU2d5qvZPmz0m6AE5JWBWL9IkA_qtSMr_Ie-mCBrqU9dyYPbs0VK8qFCeWPBIpcgAG1hdHJpeC5vcmcvekVwbmN0Vk1kQlBNWnROZHNYSlRXRXZ6>)
2025-04-02 01:07:24 <WhyNotHugo> answering my own question: polkit needs to be running for modemmanager. See !!82215
2025-04-02 01:16:52 <voidastro[m]> <ikke> "voidastro: the builders are..." <- it's fixed.
2025-04-02 14:29:48 <andar1an> hello all. I have been using ifupdown-ng on alpine, and am doing some more advanced config today and am curious about configuration keywords. With ifupdown inet, and inet6 are often seen. However, in the admin guide for ifupdown-ng inet is not listed, though it seems to work. Does anyone know what the deal is with this keyword for ifupdown-ng? probably going to just leave off and see what happens
2025-04-02 14:58:59 <ikke> andar1an: they're not required for ifupdown-ng
2025-04-02 15:01:55 <andar1an> thank you @ikke, Many blogs tend to have it, and since ifupdown-ng is mostly compatible with many other configurations I think it just hasn't presented and issue, but great to know I can leave off 
2025-04-02 16:38:47 <frag> is there a way to reload soundcards, so if device 0 is a usb and you unplug it, you can get another card as nr 0?
2025-04-02 17:13:45 <lopid> i looked into a way to simulate replugging a usb device. there were a couple of examples but nothing worked
2025-04-02 18:09:47 <frag> lopid thanks for trying :)
2025-04-02 19:14:31 <andar1an[m]> Can udev rules work for sound cards?
2025-04-02 19:16:01 <andar1an[m]> Also, for iwd, is it by design that connecting a station to a password protected network doesn't prompt for password if connected by Ethernet? Or could that be a vulnerability? I noticed this today and wonder if anyone else has
2025-04-02 19:17:50 <AledCuda[m]> Got it, thanks
2025-04-02 19:18:32 <ZombieChicken> Hello. Anyone here running Alpine on a Pinebook Pro? I can't seem to get it to boot.
2025-04-02 19:18:52 <grawity> andar1an[m]: depends, do what exactly with sound cards
2025-04-02 19:19:04 <f_> ZombieChicken: What issues are you having?
2025-04-02 19:19:22 <andar1an[m]> Similar tobl network card naming rules via udev
2025-04-02 19:19:37 <ZombieChicken> Bad Linux ARM64 Image magic! was the issue. I'm also looking at the extlinux.conf and trying to figure out where it's trying to guess where to boot from.
2025-04-02 19:19:48 <andar1an[m]> Was reference to what Frag said earlier
2025-04-02 19:20:03 <f_> ZombieChicken: What kernel image are you trying to boot?
2025-04-02 19:20:25 <ZombieChicken> default for the aarch64 image; vmlinuz-lts
2025-04-02 19:20:34 <f_> mmhmm
2025-04-02 19:20:53 <grawity> andar1an[m]: in theory they can create symlinks to /dev/snd/card**, but in practice I don't know if that's of any use for ALSA
2025-04-02 19:21:04 <ZombieChicken> Does Alpine's u-boot now know how to decompress the kernel? Last I checked, it didn't like compressed kernels...
2025-04-02 19:21:31 <grawity> network interfaces are kinda special in that they don't exist in /dev so renaming them is a thing
2025-04-02 19:21:56 <ZombieChicken> f_: I literally /just/ dd'ed u-boot from the same tarball onto an SD card, formatted the rest (starting block at 62000, just to be sure I didn't clobber anything) ext4, and ran with it.
2025-04-02 19:22:09 <andar1an[m]> @grawity maybe they could also reference device Id and type in proc
2025-04-02 19:22:26 <ZombieChicken> and, of course, tar xpvf'ed the tarball onto the resulting partition
2025-04-02 19:22:27 <andar1an[m]> For Attr
2025-04-02 19:22:36 <grawity> missed my point I think
2025-04-02 19:23:14 <andar1an[m]> Ah, sorry, small screen. Didn't see message about /dev
2025-04-02 19:23:38 <andar1an[m]> I didn't know network cards were unique like that, cool
2025-04-02 19:23:44 <andar1an[m]> Ty
2025-04-02 19:24:07 <ZombieChicken> f_: Any clue what might be wrong?
2025-04-02 19:24:34 <f_> is your vmlinuz compressed?
2025-04-02 19:25:25 <ZombieChicken> file says it's a PE32+ exec
2025-04-02 19:25:27 <ssm> the z in linuz implies compression I think?
2025-04-02 19:25:45 <ZombieChicken> ssm: that is what I was thinking.
2025-04-02 19:26:15 <ZombieChicken> but I havn't messed with alpine much at all. I tossed it on a rpi02w before, and that's been that so far.
2025-04-02 19:26:24 <ava_mateo21[m]> Hello everyone 
2025-04-02 19:26:28 <f_> ssm Sometimes apparently not.
2025-04-02 19:26:49 <ZombieChicken> so I'm unfamiliar with the various failure modes for it's boot process
2025-04-02 19:27:17 <ZombieChicken> f_: The kernel I normally run is ~25MB. The vmlinuz-lts is 9.9MB. I think it's probably compressed.
2025-04-02 19:28:40 <ZombieChicken> I'm going to reformat the partition vfat and try again. Not like it takes a long time to reextract that tarball.
2025-04-02 19:28:50 <ZombieChicken> and the wiki suggest using it anyways.
2025-04-02 19:30:34 <ZombieChicken> okay, rebooting. BBL
2025-04-02 20:09:24 <user0> ssm: yes I thought so, like in zImage
2025-04-02 21:31:05 <bent_fingers> i found that busybox less fails to render a text file correctly if the lines are too long
2025-04-02 21:31:27 <bent_fingers> any reason to curtail line lengths generally?
2025-04-02 21:32:17 <bent_fingers> i would rather not have adventitious line endings sporadically interposed throughout the documents 
2025-04-02 22:37:43 <fjdzqoFsDUV2> you can just install a proper less
2025-04-02 22:40:05 <anelli> hi frends. anyone got factorio running? i `apk add gcompat' but it still no worky. i'm trying out factorio 2.0.42 demo. it gives some `symbol not found' errors
2025-04-02 22:40:07 <anelli> thx
2025-04-02 22:52:05 <dwfreed> anelli: you'd be much better off using flatpak than gcompat
2025-04-02 23:14:33 <candrew> The testing mirrors for Alpine edge x86_64 don't seem to have been updated this month
2025-04-02 23:14:55 <candrew> On dl-cdn.alpinelinux.org as well, not just my mirror
2025-04-02 23:17:06 <candrew> I'm getting stuck in a dependency conflict with the icu upgrade (the electron rebuild against icu 76 doesn't seem to be on any of the mirrors)
2025-04-03 00:21:13 <candrew> actually I have seen some updated mirrors now. bit odd though.
2025-04-03 06:06:13 <rhizoome> candrew: I received electron electron-34.4.1-r2.apk via my mirror.
2025-04-03 06:10:48 <ikke> candrew: the builders have been stuck for a while due to various upgrades 
2025-04-03 07:35:26 <candrew> ikke: ah right, thanks