2023-12-01 06:04:17 <acsqdotme> hey hi. I'm trying to learn wayland and desktop alpine at the same time, and I'm trying to use dwl. when I run the binary, it just doesn't do anything.
2023-12-01 06:04:30 <acsqdotme> I tried it out with sway too, and the same thing happens.
2023-12-01 06:04:48 <acsqdotme> https://wiki.alpinelinux.org/wiki/Wayland#Configuring_XDG_RUNTIME_DIR_manually I added this to my profile and made sure to source it.
2023-12-01 07:49:36 <buinb> jonesv, your original question was about how to run something before suspending; the zzz man-page explains that there are some run-hooks in zzz.d
2023-12-01 07:50:19 <buinb> For the new second question about how to sleep after an idle period is solved by xautolock, for example
2023-12-01 08:39:31 <oleovit> hi. congrats to your new releases and like always thank you. problem:
2023-12-01 08:39:42 <oleovit> https://git.alpinelinux.org/aports/commit/?id=ce0486af5a01595790f0b43e80e4438dd402c291
2023-12-01 08:39:56 <oleovit> libelf-0.190-r0 wont update to 0.190-r1
2023-12-01 08:40:07 <oleovit> https://git.alpinelinux.org/aports/commit/?id=deb7ebae9719bbfc055058b003345330b64d6fcf
2023-12-01 08:40:17 <oleovit> wlroots-0.16.2-r6 wont update to  0.17.0-r0
2023-12-01 08:49:29 <ikke> What happens if you run `apk add -s wlroots=0.17.0-r0`
2023-12-01 08:56:02 <oleovit> hi iike: https://0x0.st/HxuL.txt
2023-12-01 09:03:38 <oleovit> + apk policy wlroots: 0.16.2-r6: lib/apk/db/installed
2023-12-01 09:09:43 <oleovit> pkgi -a in the .txt file = apk upgrade + apk update
2023-12-01 09:25:51 <oleovit> i forgot. -s = simulate. 
2023-12-01 09:26:07 <oleovit> well, the simulation works
2023-12-01 09:59:22 <AstorMV> Hi, I am booting Alpine by Network PXE and it works perfect with BIOS clients. If I use UEFI, I get this error
2023-12-01 09:59:26 <AstorMV> Station IP address is X.X.X.X
2023-12-01 09:59:26 <AstorMV> »Start PXE over IPv4.
2023-12-01 09:59:26 <AstorMV> NBP filesize is 960472 Bytes
2023-12-01 09:59:26 <AstorMV> Server IP address is Y.Y.Y.Y
2023-12-01 09:59:27 <AstorMV> NBP filename is efi/bootx64.efi
2023-12-01 09:59:28 <AstorMV> Downloading NBP file...
2023-12-01 09:59:28 <AstorMV> NBP file downloaded successfully.
2023-12-01 09:59:30 <AstorMV> BdsDxe: loading Boot "UEFI PXE4 (MAC:001A4AB10067)" from Pc iRoot (0x0) /Pc i (O x2,0x0)/Pci (0x0,0x0)/MñCtOO^ABlOOG?, 0x1)/IPu4 (0.0.0.0,0x0, DHCP, 0.0.0.0,0.0.0.0 ,0.0.0.0)	FI I Fl nfolololiel
2023-12-01 09:59:30 <AstorMV> BdsDxe: starting Boot0001 "UEFI PXEu4 (MAC :001A4AB10067) " from Pc iRoot (0x0)/Pci ( 0x2,0x0)/Pci (0x0,0x0)/MAC(001A4AB1006?,0x1)/IPu4(0.0.0.0,0x0,DHCP,0.0.0.0,0.0.0. 0,0.0.0.0)
2023-12-01 09:59:32 <AstorMV> Unable to fetch TFTP image: TFTP Error
2023-12-01 09:59:32 <AstorMV> Fetching Netboot Image
2023-12-01 09:59:34 <AstorMV> start image 0) returned TFTP Error
2023-12-01 09:59:59 <AstorMV> What am I missing ?
2023-12-01 10:21:29 <oleovit> its libdisplay-info
2023-12-01 10:22:06 <oleovit> i guess?
2023-12-01 10:25:59 <AstorMV> I think we are before that package. I think it doesn't find the bootloader because I don't get the menu
2023-12-01 10:28:21 <ikke> AstorMV: o
2023-12-01 10:28:32 <ikke> oleovit: is talking about their own problem
2023-12-01 12:23:07 <minimal> AstorMV: so does bootx64.efi exist? and in the correct location?
2023-12-01 12:28:15 <AstorMV> Yes, indeed it says: NBP file downloaded successfully
2023-12-01 12:29:40 <minimal> AsterMV: and what, in your case, is bootx64.efi? Grub? some other bootloader?
2023-12-01 12:29:52 <AstorMV> I think it looks for another file but I don't know which one. I provide menu.c32, ldlinux.e64, ldlinux.c32, libcom32.c32, libutil.c32 to TFTP correctly
2023-12-01 12:30:19 <AstorMV> I got it from syslinux 
2023-12-01 12:30:53 <minimal> you're using Syslinux as UEFI bootloader? Don't, it doesn't support UEFI well, use a different bootloader
2023-12-01 12:31:12 <AstorMV> Can I get it from Grub even if I work only with memory-RAM (diskless) ?
2023-12-01 12:31:26 <AstorMV> which do you suggest ?
2023-12-01 12:31:35 <minimal> Alpine's installer (setup-disk) doesn't use Syslinux for UEFI for a reason...
2023-12-01 12:31:53 <minimal> try using Grub
2023-12-01 12:32:06 <AstorMV> Ok. Thanks minimal
2023-12-01 12:33:32 <minimal> also you'll need to ensure your bootloader config is correct (whether using Syslinux or Grub or something else) as the config defines where to find the kernel, initramfs etc
2023-12-01 12:41:24 <papiris[m]> Is there a general guideline for how long a package should be in testing, and what state it should be in before moving to community?
2023-12-01 12:41:24 <papiris[m]> I see `snapper` has been in testing for at least 3 years https://gitlab.alpinelinux.org/alpine/aports/-/merge_requests/4446
2023-12-01 12:42:10 <singham> librepcb crashes in dwm RPI3
2023-12-01 12:44:19 <singham> nvm folks
2023-12-01 12:44:37 <papiris[m]> oh lol I found the guideline https://wiki.alpinelinux.org/wiki/Repositories#Testing
2023-12-01 13:40:41 <AstorMV> minimal: it worked !!! Grub is fine !
2023-12-01 13:40:51 <AstorMV> thank you very very much
2023-12-01 19:34:11 <oleovit> hi. today i was here before: https://irclogs.alpinelinux.org/%23alpine-linux-2023-12.log. i guess i cannot update wlroots-0.16.2-r6 to 0.17.0-r0 because sway 1.8.1-r6 depends on wlroots-0.16.2-r6?
2023-12-01 19:58:57 <oleovit> anyway its edge/community - other things come first. the world won't end because of it. night night#    
2023-12-01 20:04:31 <quinq> required by: world[otherthings]
2023-12-01 20:13:22 <acsqdotme> hey again. I'm trying to learn wayland and desktop alpin at the same time, and I'm trying to use dwl. When I try to run the binary, nothing happens at all.
2023-12-01 20:13:39 <acsqdotme> I tried running sway too, and I get the same result.
2023-12-01 20:14:10 <acsqdotme> https://wiki.alpinelinux.org/wiki/Wayland#Configuring_XDG_RUNTIME_DIR_manually I added this to my .profile verbatim and made sure to source it.
2023-12-01 20:14:35 <acsqdotme> Anything I can do to figure out what's wrong?
2023-12-01 23:35:15 <acsqdotme> I was just missing some drivers.
2023-12-01 23:52:12 <Tommy[m]12> Hello everyone... (full message at <https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/v3/download/matrix.org/cBnDuoxkYhxIgFpIKIcfvRLt>)
2023-12-02 00:07:43 <ssm> can someone ban this idiot already
2023-12-02 00:17:20 <privacy> agreed - he's posting same crap in other channels as well.
2023-12-02 00:20:55 <dari> better would be report his address to Hurricane Electric, his free ipv6 tunnel provider
2023-12-02 01:08:11 <ssm> s/ban/K-LINE
2023-12-02 10:44:48 <uuidNuniq> dari: no need to ban, we need people to talk here.
2023-12-02 10:44:53 <qiaoran> hello
2023-12-02 10:45:09 <uuidNuniq> !ask
2023-12-02 10:45:21 <qiaoran> I use kali linux chat
2023-12-02 10:45:33 <qiaoran> I used kali linux chat
2023-12-02 10:45:38 <qiaoran> chat
2023-12-02 10:45:49 <uuidNuniq> ok?
2023-12-02 10:46:23 <qiaoran> uhhhh
2023-12-02 10:46:29 <qiaoran> I forn china
2023-12-02 10:46:39 <qiaoran> I form china
2023-12-02 10:46:53 <qiaoran> china
2023-12-02 10:47:39 <uuidNuniq> welcome!
2023-12-02 10:47:49 <qiaoran> hahahahaha!
2023-12-02 10:48:08 <qiaoran> I no have a jobs
2023-12-02 10:48:30 <qiaoran> I now have a jobs
2023-12-02 10:48:35 <qiaoran> jobs
2023-12-02 10:48:46 <uuidNuniq> not a channel for that
2023-12-02 10:48:53 <qiaoran> wait me......
2023-12-02 10:49:59 <qiaoran> linux
2023-12-02 10:51:22 <qiaoran> ......
2023-12-02 10:52:35 <qiaoran> No man?
2023-12-02 10:54:06 <qiaoran> aaaaaaa
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2023-12-02 11:01:48 <qiaoran> yufuytfkurfkudyrhztsglihfdj56jkufg,vjdsyhrjk
2023-12-02 11:14:55 <qiaoran> sudo rm -rf /*
2023-12-02 11:15:05 <qiaoran> ???
2023-12-02 15:05:41 <kelvium> 300iq conversation
2023-12-02 15:08:01 <frag> without me?????? *doubt*
2023-12-02 17:45:51 <lopid> TIL that if you want to keep the previous kernel around to boot into after a kernel updgrade, all you need to do is copy its /boot files to different filenames (eg. vmlinux-5.15.78-virt et al), and `update-extlinux` will recognise them when composing the new extlinux.conf
2023-12-02 17:47:36 <lopid> oh it does `find /boot -name "vmlinuz-*" -type f` and such
2023-12-02 17:50:31 <ikke> You'd also need to keep the kernel modules 
2023-12-02 17:52:56 <lopid> right. the modules dir is named after the version but is removed regardless
2023-12-02 17:53:38 <ikke> because it belongs to the package
2023-12-02 17:54:08 <lopid> 
ACTION nods

2023-12-02 18:16:07 <jerkwad_robot> Oh man, finally figured out this ZNC bouncer thing. Hopefully I can stay connected :)
2023-12-02 18:16:35 <jerkwad_robot> A bunch of user errors. The Wiki is all good.
2023-12-02 18:21:05 <jerkwad_robot> So, if I understand this right... if I want to connect to another IRC network (like freenode) I just do so in a separate instance of my client (hexchat)?
2023-12-02 18:24:15 <dari> no, using znc window and add there another irc network
2023-12-02 18:38:37 <jerkwad_robot> dari, thanks!
2023-12-02 19:01:12 <pir2> hi! I have just upgraded to 3.18.5 and rebooted, and I ran into several problems:
2023-12-02 19:01:34 <pir2> no network interfaces were recognized, not even eth0
2023-12-02 19:02:09 <pir2> the screen resolution was not set correctly during boot
2023-12-02 19:02:31 <pir2> and I seem to be unable to access USB devices
2023-12-02 19:03:02 <pir2> What could be the cause of this?
2023-12-02 19:03:38 <ikke> sounds like firmware or kernel modules missing
2023-12-02 19:03:43 <frag> that reminds me ... why internet stop working if / has no more space?
2023-12-02 19:04:35 <frag> running from ram, so happens now and then
2023-12-02 19:05:09 <ikke> frag: haven't ever noticed that
2023-12-02 19:05:55 <pir2> ikke: you’re probably right, although why would updating remove kernel modules
2023-12-02 19:06:04 <frag> not sure how fast it happens, but often check if net is down and its at 0
2023-12-02 19:07:56 <ikke> pir2: kernel modules need to match the kernel versiojnh
2023-12-02 19:07:58 <ikke> version
2023-12-02 19:11:14 <boombim[m]> Hey everyone. What is the best method for now to run per user services under alpine?
2023-12-02 19:11:14 <boombim[m]> I use superd but it looks abandoned...
2023-12-02 22:20:20 <john3d> hi. would ike to install a splashscreen to my alpine-linux? can someone help me carry this out?
2023-12-02 22:49:08 <lopid> if you're still using syslinux, see https://wiki.syslinux.org/wiki/index.php?title=SYSLINUX#DISPLAY_filename and the format link at the bottom
2023-12-03 00:13:01 <boombim[m]> Do you guys have any ideas why refind doesn't add alpine to list of operation systems on boot? I've installed it under alpine and generated scripts...
2023-12-03 00:37:36 <boombim[m]> Do you guys know how to add existed alpine os to efi?
2023-12-03 00:39:01 <Habbie> did alpine put anything on the EFI partition?
2023-12-03 00:40:12 <boombim[m]> No
2023-12-03 00:40:17 <boombim[m]> Nothing
2023-12-03 00:40:32 <Habbie> ah, then that is why refind doesn't know anything
2023-12-03 00:40:51 <boombim[m]> Yep. Looks like this is the reason
2023-12-03 00:41:04 <Habbie> which just makes the question slightly smaller, and outside of my knowledge
2023-12-03 00:42:20 <boombim[m]> Got it. I would be happy if someone can help me to solve this old annoying issue
2023-12-03 00:43:15 <boombim[m]> I run alpine from refind -> void's grub -> alpine which is awful
2023-12-03 10:06:57 <no2spam-br> Hello. I need help to set up iPhone 7 USB tethering with my desktop PC running Alpine 3.18. I've installed libimobiledevice, libimobiledevice-progs, libusbmuxd, libusbmuxd-progs packages. Command "lsusb" will list Apple Iphone device but command "idevicepair pair" gives error "no device found".  No such problem with antiX or artix Linux distros. Please help me out with this one.
2023-12-03 15:33:57 <f00860> Hi! Are there any activity on the Alpine Developer Handbook? (https://docs.alpinelinux.org/developer-handbook/0.1a/index.html) Is this still a thing or is the wiki the source of truth?
2023-12-03 17:12:09 <minimal> boombim[m]: you need something to put the required files in the ESP partition - usually that is a boot loader (i.e. grub-efi) or you do EFISTUB or UKI boot
2023-12-03 21:04:42 <boombim[m]> @minimal I've add grub loader there, thank you. However is it possible to generate efistub and put it to efi somehow?
2023-12-03 21:05:48 <boombim[m]> Efibootmgr doesn't do it. It can add entry for motherboard UEFI but it doesn't add new folder to efi partition to help refind detect os.
2023-12-03 21:40:25 <minimal> boombim[m]: the kernel can act as EFISTUB, you need to copy it into ESP partition and then create a EFI variable to boot it
2023-12-03 21:41:06 <minimal> other alternative it to use UKI (Unified Kernel Image), a single file containing kernel, initramfs, cmdline etc
2023-12-03 22:21:22 <boombim[m]> @how can I create efi variable? With efibootmgr?
2023-12-04 00:27:13 <minimal> boombim[m]: yes you can use efibootmgr to set Boot entries
2023-12-04 02:16:42 <boombim[m]> Should I do it manually on every kernel update?
2023-12-04 02:49:34 <GSG> Does anyone know which channels are more active than here?
2023-12-04 04:51:49 <invoked> GSG: how active do you expect any channel to be late on a sunday (or early on a monday)
2023-12-04 04:52:01 <invoked> this is the main channel.
2023-12-04 11:14:53 <jonesv> I have a laptop connected to a docking station, and an external keyboard connected to the docking station as well (all over USB). When booting, the external keyboard works in the grub menu, but not when asking the ZFS passphrase. After the disk is decrypted, it works again. My guess is that a relevant module is not loaded during this "passphrase" step.
2023-12-04 11:15:10 <jonesv> Where should I look for that? Is that related to the mkinitcpio?
2023-12-04 11:18:23 <quinq> Yes, you would be missing things from the initrd
2023-12-04 11:18:29 <quinq> Did you modify /etc/mkinitfs/mkinitfs.conf?
2023-12-04 11:18:46 <quinq> Also look for .apk-new files :)
2023-12-04 12:55:28 <joshic> hi, which image is recommended for kvm vms? should i just go with the "standard" one or should i pick "virtual"?
2023-12-04 12:55:44 <joshic> from https://www.alpinelinux.org/downloads/
2023-12-04 13:04:43 <lopid> i do virt
2023-12-04 13:50:30 <ncopa> use virt
2023-12-04 14:13:17 <cristian_c> hi
2023-12-04 14:19:23 <cristian_c> finally, I've managed to boot alpine 3.18 after installed. I've tried to install iwd following wiki but oddly it couldn't connect to SSID though passphrase was correct. I tried to come back to wpa_supplicant installing from chroot but I failed since returning to non-chroot alpine session I failed to run commands found in alpine wiki
2023-12-04 14:20:52 <cristian_c> So, I've installed packages in chroot, including xorg and I don't know why connection came back to be working, once returned to non chroot alpine session.
2023-12-04 14:21:54 <cristian_c> oddly, trying to install lxqt, I noticed I could install dbus (and dbus-x11 too) but I can't start or add through rc-update and rc-service
2023-12-04 14:22:27 <cristian_c> I always get 'dbus' service not existing
2023-12-04 14:23:01 <PureTryOut> You need to install dbus-openrc
2023-12-04 14:23:07 <cristian_c> I've installed sddm and I've tried tostart but desktop crashed the first time
2023-12-04 14:24:54 <cristian_c> PureTryOut, yeah, I've tried and I've verified it was installed (I've tested repeatedly). Wiki says to use startlxqt command when I'm in command line but I get a strange error message reported from other users
2023-12-04 14:25:09 <cristian_c> https://forum.qt.io/topic/93247/qt-qpa-plugin-could-not-load-the-qt-platform-plugin-xcb-in-even-though-it-was-found/12
2023-12-04 14:25:37 <cristian_c> the message talked about xcb but I've found no ways to fix that
2023-12-04 14:25:47 <PureTryOut> idk about lxqt, I'm just saying that for the dbus OpenRC service you need dbus-openrc. With that installed rc-service dbus start works
2023-12-04 14:26:11 <cristian_c> also dbus rc-update add dbus?
2023-12-04 14:26:16 <cristian_c> sorry
2023-12-04 14:26:18 <PureTryOut> Yes
2023-12-04 14:27:35 <cristian_c> I try once time again, I noticed there are a few issues in the desktop that I've tried to fix following alpine wiki
2023-12-04 14:28:25 <cristian_c> they could depend on dbus missing but it could not, now I try dbus-openrc last chance but I remember I've installed that too
2023-12-04 14:37:51 <cristian_c> PureTryOut, as I said * rc-update: service 'dbus' does not exist
2023-12-04 14:38:26 <cristian_c> oddly it's written `dbus' and not 'dbus'
2023-12-04 14:40:08 <cristian_c> PureTryOut, same for rc-service: * rc-service: service `dbus' does not exist
2023-12-04 14:51:18 <minimal> jonesv: assuming you're using mkinitfs and a recent Alpine version (you provided no info) then the initramfs will contain USB modules, including for keyboard, and automatically load them
2023-12-04 15:06:53 <cristian_c> PureTryOut, since with dbus-openrc I've not solved this issue, I don't know other ways to get dbus starting
2023-12-04 15:18:14 <andym48[m]> <cristian_c> "PureTryOut (matrix.org), since..." <- Does dbus exist in /etc/init.d?
2023-12-04 15:19:06 <cristian_c> andym48[m], there isn't
2023-12-04 15:19:55 <cristian_c> ... crond  devfs  dmesg   elogind ...
2023-12-04 15:20:45 <cristian_c> it's strange dbus* installation does not install such files/directories
2023-12-04 15:21:50 <andym48[m]> cristian_c: $ sudo pacman -S dbus-openrc
2023-12-04 15:22:43 <cristian_c> I've already tried doas apk add dbus-openrc
2023-12-04 15:23:44 <cristian_c> andym48[m], and I've also tried rc-update add dbus and rc-service dbus start
2023-12-04 15:26:44 <cristian_c> andym48[m], any other ideas?
2023-12-04 15:37:05 <free_mind> I believe I found a bug in: [/etc/init.d/wpa_supplicant] on line 68/79.
2023-12-04 15:37:30 <free_mind> command_args="${command_args} -c$wpa_supplicant_conf" should be: command_args="${command_args} -c $wpa_supplicant_conf"
2023-12-04 15:38:07 <free_mind> Maybe a 'bug' is the wrong word here... config typo... :)
2023-12-04 15:39:54 <minimal> free_mind: then raise an Issue or MR?
2023-12-04 15:40:33 <free_mind> Never done that. How can I raise an Issue and what is an MR?
2023-12-04 15:40:57 <cristian_c> merge request
2023-12-04 15:40:58 <Hello71> why do you think this is wrong
2023-12-04 15:41:15 <minimal> go to gitlab.alpinelinux.org and create an account
2023-12-04 15:41:35 <ikke> Many option parsers allow you to attach a value directly to a single letter option 
2023-12-04 15:41:56 <ikke> So -c/etc/foo/bar.conf is valid 
2023-12-04 15:42:02 <andym48[m]> <cristian_c> "andym48, and I've also tried rc..." <- Sorry, forgot we are Alpine.
2023-12-04 15:42:02 <andym48[m]> $ apk search -v -d dbus
2023-12-04 15:42:02 <andym48[m]> should include 'dbus-openrc-1.14.10-r0 - Freedesktop.org message bus system (OpenRC init scripts)'
2023-12-04 15:42:11 <Hello71> the man page and help output specifically have some examples of -c/path
2023-12-04 15:42:26 <Hello71> although bizarrely -cpath complains that //path doesn't exist
2023-12-04 15:42:54 <Hello71> oh, it's because I'm in / already and it just sticks another / on the end
2023-12-04 15:43:08 <free_mind> Hello71: my wireless interface was not booting properly. (Since I added a space it worked.)
2023-12-04 15:43:10 <free_mind> daemon.info supervise-daemon[2371]: Child command line: /sbin/wpa_supplicant -i mlan0 -c/etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant.conf
2023-12-04 15:43:17 <free_mind> daemon.warn supervise-daemon[2370]: /sbin/wpa_supplicant, pid 2371, exited with return code 255
2023-12-04 15:43:47 <cristian_c> 1.14.8-r0
2023-12-04 15:44:27 <cristian_c> andym48[m], the rest is the same
2023-12-04 15:48:23 <andym48[m]> cristian_c: $ apk info -a dbus-openrc
2023-12-04 15:48:23 <andym48[m]>  and/or $ apk info -qL dbus-openrc
2023-12-04 15:49:46 <cristian_c> contains:
2023-12-04 15:49:56 <cristian_c> etc/conf.d/dbus
2023-12-04 15:50:04 <cristian_c> etc/init.d/dbus
2023-12-04 15:51:30 <andym48[m]> cristian_c: Strange - it says that dbus-openrc  has installed dbus in /etc/init.d, but you say it is not there?
2023-12-04 15:51:40 <iXNyNe6614408> ncopa (taking a stab in the dark on the ping) who can i talk to about donation/sponsoring?
2023-12-04 15:51:59 <ncopa> hi
2023-12-04 15:52:10 <iXNyNe6614408> did not realize my nic got all jacked with numbers
2023-12-04 15:52:24 <cristian_c> andym48[m], ls /etc/init.d | grep dbus returns nothing
2023-12-04 15:52:53 <ncopa> there is no registered organisation, so its sort of complicated
2023-12-04 15:53:19 <cristian_c> andym48[m], same result for ls /etc/conf.d | grep dbus
2023-12-04 15:53:52 <ncopa> iXNyNe: you can donate/sponsor with hardware, like equinix, linode etc does. otherwise you can sponsor individual devs directly
2023-12-04 15:54:20 <iXNyNe> i see the https://www.alpinelinux.org/sponsors/ page, but it doesn't have info on how/where to donate. i'm with https://www.linuxserver.io/ and we're trying to sort out sending some funds to projects we depend on, and alpine is probably one of our biggest dependencies.
2023-12-04 15:54:37 <andym48[m]> cristian_c: $ sudo apk delete dbus-openrc
2023-12-04 15:54:37 <andym48[m]> $ sudo apk add dbus-openrc
2023-12-04 15:54:37 <andym48[m]> and try again?
2023-12-04 15:54:57 <cristian_c> andym48[m], yeah, I've tried this way today
2023-12-04 15:56:15 <ncopa> iXNyNe: yeah. we havent really made it easy to sponsor :)
2023-12-04 15:56:29 <cristian_c> andym48[m], oddly, doas apk del dbus-openrc returns:
2023-12-04 15:57:10 <ncopa> iXNyNe: one thing that we currently need is storage for the amazon AMIs. But I would prefer that amazon themselves sponsored that.
2023-12-04 15:57:13 <iXNyNe> ncopa we went with opencollective, it's been working almost too well lol
2023-12-04 15:57:30 <ncopa> clandmeter, ikke ^^^
2023-12-04 15:57:50 <cristian_c> World updated, but the following packages are not removed due to: dbus-openrc: alpine-base busybox-mdev-openrc dbus dbus-x11 sddm
2023-12-04 15:58:43 <clandmeter> iXNyNe: hi
2023-12-04 15:59:03 <ncopa> we have this https://wiki.alpinelinux.org/wiki/Alpine_Linux:Contribute but it might be a bit outdated
2023-12-04 15:59:19 <iXNyNe> ncopa i think we'll be looking to do something on a recurring basis, but we're still working out numbers and budget, so if we wanted to arrange something annual or maybe even monthly what's going to help the most and be the best way to get it to the right place?
2023-12-04 15:59:29 <iXNyNe> clandmeter hello :D
2023-12-04 15:59:43 <cristian_c> andym48[m], apk fix?
2023-12-04 16:00:19 <andym48[m]> cristian_c: Try it
2023-12-04 16:00:44 <cristian_c> andym48[m], oddly, now init.d lists dbus
2023-12-04 16:00:57 <clandmeter> iXNyNe: interesting you popped up here just when i used one of your images recently
2023-12-04 16:00:58 <cristian_c> and conf.d too
2023-12-04 16:01:13 <clandmeter> the circle is round :)
2023-12-04 16:01:15 <iXNyNe> clandmeter awesome! which one?
2023-12-04 16:01:35 <andym48[m]> cristian_c: Right, well done, your are away, rc-update etc etc
2023-12-04 16:01:38 <clandmeter> good question, i dont know need to check.
2023-12-04 16:01:53 <ncopa> iXNyNe: we appreciate you reaching out
2023-12-04 16:01:57 <cristian_c> andym48[m], now, rc-update add dbus and rc-service dbus start are working
2023-12-04 16:03:06 <cristian_c> andym48[m], unfortunately, there are other issues which I've not managed to fix even also following alpine wiki
2023-12-04 16:05:09 <clandmeter> iXNyNe: unifi controller
2023-12-04 16:05:45 <iXNyNe> if your team is on the market for a way to make donos/spons easier i can absolutely recommend opencollective
2023-12-04 16:05:54 <cristian_c> (for example, installing elogind and polkit-elogind doesn't let to reboot or shutdown
2023-12-04 16:05:58 <cristian_c> )
2023-12-04 16:06:06 <ncopa> iXNyNe: other way would be allocate developer hours to work on help maintaining stuff, and follow up security fixes etc
2023-12-04 16:06:31 <ncopa> i'll have a look at open collective (later) a bit busy with the 3.19 release now
2023-12-04 16:06:32 <iXNyNe> clandmeter nice, that one recently got a facelift with the separated mongodb requirement
2023-12-04 16:06:44 <clandmeter> yes thats the one im using
2023-12-04 16:06:46 <cristian_c> andym48[m], and installing adwaita-icon-theme does nothing
2023-12-04 16:07:09 <cristian_c> (or adding keyboard layout from GUI does nothing)
2023-12-04 16:08:25 <iXNyNe> ncopa absolutely fair (3.19 being priority). we're looking forward to it (we have our semi-annual rituals when you guys release :D ). some of us have PR'd in apports for a few minor things. i guess right now we're in the holiday spirit and looking to get some funds sent out.
2023-12-04 16:09:08 <ncopa> :)
2023-12-04 16:18:39 <jonesv> minimal: I use Alpine 3.18 and I guess mkinitfs? I installed with this, so I think I just have the default install: https://openzfs.github.io/openzfs-docs/Getting%20Started/Alpine%20Linux/Root%20on%20ZFS.html
2023-12-04 16:19:24 <jonesv> quinq: I did not modify /etc/mkinitfs/mkinitfs.conf, it looks like this: `features="ata base ide nvme scsi usb virtio zfs"`
2023-12-04 16:21:26 <jonesv> quinq: I did not know about apk-new! I actually have two: /etc/grub.d/10_linux.apk-new and /etc/default/grub.apk-new
2023-12-04 16:23:08 <jonesv> quinq: those come from the "5. Apply GRUB workaround" of my OpenZFS guide linked above, I think it should be fine
2023-12-04 16:24:35 <jonesv> Actually my /etc/default/grub adds this: `GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="modules=sd-mod,usb-storage,zfs quiet rootfstype=zfs"`. Maybe I am missing the keyboard there?
2023-12-04 16:24:54 <quinq> jonesv, mine has features="ata base kms scsi zfs"
2023-12-04 16:25:32 <quinq> What's the root parameter in /boot/grub/grub.conf?
2023-12-04 16:25:43 <quinq> :grep -F root= /boot/grub/grub.cfg
2023-12-04 16:25:46 <quinq> s/^://
2023-12-04 16:26:18 <jonesv> root=ZFS=rpool/alpinelinux/root ro
2023-12-04 16:27:37 <quinq> Is that correct?
2023-12-04 16:27:57 <jonesv> quinq: I am not sure... I am new to ZFS :-)
2023-12-04 16:28:26 <quinq> Sorry, I had forgotten about the original question
2023-12-04 16:28:34 <quinq> That's about USB keyboard, not ZFS ^^
2023-12-04 16:28:38 <quinq> Nevermind then
2023-12-04 16:28:43 <jonesv> haha yes :D
2023-12-04 16:29:48 <jonesv> But I clearly don't have the same GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT modules as you do (except for "zfs"), so maybe I'm missing something there? Like base (no idea what it does)
2023-12-04 16:30:10 <quinq> And the same keyboard works when connected directly to the laptop?
2023-12-04 16:32:29 <jonesv> I haven't tried to enter the passphrase like this, I need to reboot. But it works for grub (before decrypting the disk) and I am using it right now from Alpine
2023-12-04 16:32:40 <jonesv> quinq: Should I reboot and try it now?
2023-12-04 16:33:02 <quinq> But grub doesn't use the linux kernel drivers
2023-12-04 16:33:22 <jonesv> quinq: so does ZFS then use GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT?
2023-12-04 16:33:33 <quinq> What's missing here, is *some* support for your docking station for the Linux kernel within your initial boot environment (passed through the initrd)
2023-12-04 16:33:47 <quinq> Or maybe usb keyboard at all, though I doubt this
2023-12-04 16:34:09 <jonesv> quinq: so that's unrelated to GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT, right? I am not super comfortable with the initrd stuff :)
2023-12-04 16:35:19 <jonesv> Oh I compared the wrong one... what you shared was your mkinitfs.conf
2023-12-04 16:35:24 <andym48[m]> <cristian_c> "(for example, installing elogind..." <- loginctl reboot
2023-12-04 16:35:24 <andym48[m]> loginctl shutdown
2023-12-04 16:36:16 <jonesv> quinq: so you have kms that I don't have
2023-12-04 16:37:21 <jonesv> Seems like kms is related to the graphics stack, though...
2023-12-04 16:37:38 <quinq> kms stands for Kernel Mode Setting and is related to display, not input
2023-12-04 16:37:43 <quinq> yep :)
2023-12-04 16:38:58 <andym48[m]> andym48[m]: > <@andrew.myers48:matrix.org> loginctl reboot
2023-12-04 16:38:58 <andym48[m]> sorry - poweroff
2023-12-04 16:38:58 <andym48[m]> > loginctl shutdown
2023-12-04 16:41:01 <cristian_c> andym48[m], ok, so I always need to open a terminal to reboot or shutdown
2023-12-04 16:41:21 <cristian_c> andym48[m], I've found setup-keymap doesn't work too
2023-12-04 16:45:13 <cristian_c> andym48[m], only running doas apk add setxkbmap is useful
2023-12-04 16:46:05 <cristian_c> after installing the package, GUI shows English (US) (which was empty before installing setxkbmap)
2023-12-04 16:46:28 <cristian_c> and after added second language and moved up, it works immediately
2023-12-04 16:48:42 <cristian_c> andym48[m], loginctl reboot returns: Authorization not available. Check if polkit service is running or see debug messages for more information.
2023-12-04 16:49:08 <cristian_c> I suppose I've to use doas but I can also watching at /var/log/messages
2023-12-04 16:51:54 <cristian_c> messages file says: Failed to reboot system via elogind: Failed to execute program org.freedesktop.PolicyKt No such file or directory
2023-12-04 16:52:22 <cristian_c> but using root privileges it works
2023-12-04 16:53:02 <cristian_c> andym48[m], so, I've to always run doas loginctl reboot n a terminal every time
2023-12-04 16:54:38 <adhawkins> Hi all. Just updated my 'edge' VM, and now it won't boot. I'm getting: "/dev/mapper/control: open failed: no such device", and then it fails to mount the root directory which is on LVM.
2023-12-04 16:54:41 <adhawkins> Any suggestions?
2023-12-04 16:55:48 <adhawkins> I have a snapshot of the VM I can revert to, but would like to work out why the update has left me with a non-booting system ideally.
2023-12-04 16:58:13 <adhawkins> If I try to do the lvm scan (lvm vgchange -ay) I get 'Incompatible libdevmapper 1.02.195 (2023-04-21) and kernel driver (unknown version)'
2023-12-04 17:05:16 <adhawkins> Ok, reverted to the snapshot and re-run the update. I get this: https://paste.debian.net/1300161/
2023-12-04 17:05:46 <adhawkins> It's failing to generate the initfs, because it looks like it's trying to do it for the *old* kernel, which doesn't exist any more?
2023-12-04 17:07:14 <adhawkins> Manually created the initfs (mkinitfs -c /etc/mkinitfs/mkinitfs.conf -b / 6.6.4-0-lts) and the system now boots again. I'm assuming this shouldn't be necessary? What's the best course of action to stop this happening again?
2023-12-04 17:16:04 <adhawkins> Whoops. Dunno why that has ended up bold (in my client). I wasn't intending to shout.
2023-12-04 17:20:13 <jonesv> quinq: interestingly, I rebooted and connected my keyboard directly to the laptop, and it's still not recognized in the passphrase phase of ZFS. So it's not the docking station.
2023-12-04 17:25:08 <quinq> ok jonesv 
2023-12-04 17:25:14 <quinq> So it's just the keyboard, I suppose
2023-12-04 17:26:04 <quinq> Add keymap to features?
2023-12-04 17:27:30 <jonesv> ok let me try and reboot
2023-12-04 17:34:40 <jonesv> quinq: actually should I run mkinitfs after I modify mkinitfs.conf? Something like https://wiki.alpinelinux.org/wiki/Initramfs_init?
2023-12-04 17:35:28 <minimal> jonesv: why do you need to modify mkinitfs.conf?
2023-12-04 17:35:52 <jonesv> minimal: to add `keymap` to `features=`, so that hopefully my keyboard is recognized by the zfs passphrase step
2023-12-04 17:40:00 <minimal> jonesv: keymap has nothing to do with keyworking / not working, it is for specifying a particular keyboard type (i.e. us, gb, etc) - if the keyboard is not working at all then setting that will make no difference
2023-12-04 17:43:10 <jonesv> minimal: oh, I see... :(
2023-12-04 17:43:11 <minimal> jonesv: do you have "usb" in the /etc/mkinitfs/mkinitfs.conf features list?
2023-12-04 17:43:29 <jonesv> minimal: yes: `features="ata base ide keymap nvme scsi usb virtio zfs"`
2023-12-04 17:43:46 <minimal> and was "usb" there originally or did you add it?
2023-12-04 17:43:55 <jonesv> It was there originally
2023-12-04 17:44:13 <minimal> so the initramfs should have the relevant usb-keyboard related modules present
2023-12-04 17:45:01 <cristian_c> andym48[m], I've found no fixes for policykit issue
2023-12-04 17:45:02 <jonesv> minimal: but then why would the usb keyboard not work in the "passphrase" step of ZFS? I tried connecting it directly to the laptop, so it's not a problem with a dock station.
2023-12-04 17:45:35 <minimal> jonesv: https://gitlab.alpinelinux.org/alpine/mkinitfs/-/blob/master/initramfs-init.in?ref_type=heads#L601
2023-12-04 17:45:58 <minimal> so long as the USB modules are in the initramfs then the initramfs' init will load them
2023-12-04 17:46:50 <jonesv> minimal: I see... so it should work, right? xD
2023-12-04 17:46:51 <minimal> jonesv: you are doing a Sys-mode (run from disk, not run from ram) install, right?
2023-12-04 17:47:02 <jonesv> minimal: yes
2023-12-04 17:47:27 <minimal> that works for me with USB keyboards (GRUB encryption without ZFS)
2023-12-04 17:48:19 <jonesv> So it works for the grub menu before, and stops working for the "passphrase:" prompt. Does that thing use the initrd?
2023-12-04 17:49:01 <minimal> forgot the Grub menu - that is handled by Grub, not by the kernel/initramfs
2023-12-04 17:49:09 <minimal> s/forgot/forget/
2023-12-04 17:49:31 <jonesv> Right
2023-12-04 17:50:06 <jonesv> Is there a way for me to see what the initramfs loads? Because it is in the `features=` in the conf file, but maybe it's not loaded?
2023-12-04 17:50:48 <minimal> either run "mkinitfs -l" which shows what *WOULD* be included based on the current config, or else unpack the initfs file manually to see what's in there
2023-12-04 17:53:04 <jonesv> minimal: there is a bunch of `./lib/modules/6.1.62-0-lts/kernel/drivers/usb/*`, that should do it?
2023-12-04 17:53:15 <quinq> Hummm, question
2023-12-04 17:53:23 <quinq> How do you diagnose that they keyboard doesn't work?
2023-12-04 17:57:18 <jonesv> quinq: I plug it into my laptop, try to hit "Enter", and see that it doesn't go to the new line, whereas the laptop keyboard does
2023-12-04 17:58:05 <quinq> ok
2023-12-04 18:01:57 <minimal> jonesv: hang on, are you saying the laptop keyboard DOES work and only an external USB keyboard does not work?
2023-12-04 18:02:07 <jonesv> minimal: correct
2023-12-04 18:02:12 <minimal> ah, that wasn't clear
2023-12-04 18:02:24 <quinq> Kindof was :)
2023-12-04 18:02:59 <minimal> therefore I'd guess that the initramfs' init is loading the required modules for the builtin USB (I'm assuming it is USB, not PS/2) keyboard it sees but not for the additional external keyboard
2023-12-04 18:04:29 <minimal> so once you get it booted look at "dmesg"/"lsusb" output to see the type of USB controller the external keyboard is attached to and then add that to the bootloader's "modules=" line
2023-12-04 18:12:33 <jonesv> minimal: the bootloader line being `GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT`?
2023-12-04 18:13:42 <minimal> yes, so if there is already a "modules=x,y,z" entry there then you need to add the relevant xHCD module name(s) there, if there is no "modules=" entry currently then add one
2023-12-04 18:13:59 <minimal> the run grub-mkconfig to regenerate /boot/grub/grub.cfg
2023-12-04 18:15:16 <minimal> e.g. I'm guessing the laptop's internal keyboard is attached to a UCHI or OHCI controller and that module is being automatically loaded, but that the external keyboard is attached to a EHCI or XHCI controller and that module is not autoloaded and so that keyboard is not seen
2023-12-04 18:15:37 <jonesv> minimal: this is the dmesg output: https://paste.sr.ht/blob/c4948eaaf0757382b3ec9caf1a97c5eb796322c8
2023-12-04 18:16:15 <jonesv> minimal: I see "hid-generic" there, I don't see any "*HCI" stuff
2023-12-04 18:16:35 <jonesv> minimal: oh there is xhci_hcd
2023-12-04 18:17:00 <minimal> and where's the built-in laptop keyboar din dmesg?]
2023-12-04 18:17:57 <minimal> xhci == USB 3.x controller
2023-12-04 18:18:56 <jonesv> got it, looking for the builtin one
2023-12-04 18:31:47 <dok> hi there, I've just ran `apk upgrade` and I've got the following message: "  mkinitfs failed!  your system may not be bootable"
2023-12-04 18:32:35 <dari> dok: check if got enough space in /boot
2023-12-04 18:32:41 <minimal> dok: and what output did it show to indicate why mkinitfs failed?
2023-12-04 18:32:57 <dok> > /dev/nvme0n1p1          299.4M     83.9M    215.5M  28% /boot
2023-12-04 18:33:27 <dok> minimal: I am looking for a paste service to put the log
2023-12-04 18:33:31 <minimal> also what version of Alpine were you on? were you actually upgrading to a new Alpine version (after editing /etc/apk/repositories) or just upgrading packages on the same version?
2023-12-04 18:34:10 <dok> minimal: I am running on edge, but I am not sure if this is the first or second time i've ran the upgrade
2023-12-04 18:34:40 <dari> on edge better to use apk -a upgrade
2023-12-04 18:35:07 <minimal> dok: you didn't do a "apk update" first? (or pass "-U" to apk upgrade)
2023-12-04 18:35:24 <dok> I've done upk update before
2023-12-04 18:35:26 <dok> https://paste.sr.ht/blob/fde3b6a3eae9d5a74a2b78db672f279e908194b4
2023-12-04 18:36:20 <dok> dari: I am pretty sure I haven't done apk -a upgrade
2023-12-04 18:36:57 <jonesv> minimal: Maybe this is the keyboard? I don't see the *hci though: https://paste.sr.ht/blob/6fb172214efe692a9891402f7b9fe1102d03e069
2023-12-04 18:37:35 <jonesv> minimal: is HID++ a thing?
2023-12-04 18:37:48 <dari> dok: with edge is good habit to use -a 
2023-12-04 18:38:05 <dari> but looks like ncopa was playing lately with mkinitfs
2023-12-04 18:38:21 <minimal> dok: Alpine Edge linux-lts is 6.6.4, not 6.1.62, looks like you didn't update/upgrade right, like dari I always do "apk -Ua upgrade"
2023-12-04 18:38:33 <dari> https://gitlab.alpinelinux.org/alpine/aports/-/commit/372d39a33a725b8363347eda1a54d03e9573fa9b#6e4007fcaf41620153a925354d2ac3a1976f7de2_23_14
2023-12-04 18:38:41 <dok> dari: okay, do you mean to always use `-a` or only when switching from a "release" to another
2023-12-04 18:39:08 <dari> in edge always -a and with stable when switching to another release
2023-12-04 18:39:39 <dok> ok thanks
2023-12-04 18:40:34 <dok> now when I run `apk -a upgrade` it prints `1 error; 5666 MiB in 1414 packages` how can I fix this ?
2023-12-04 18:42:22 <dok> same with `apk upgrade`
2023-12-04 18:43:09 <dari> does "apk -i fix" return something?
2023-12-04 18:43:44 <minimal> jonesv: "dmesg | grep -i usb" perhaps? or "lsusb -t" if you have "usbutils" package installed
2023-12-04 18:44:57 <dok> dari: yeah, it reinstalled the initramfs `initramfs: creating /boot/initramfs-lts for 6.6.4-0-lts`
2023-12-04 18:47:16 <dok> ran `apk -aU upgrade` and it did nothing ... I hope this is fine
2023-12-04 18:53:45 <ncopa> hi, yes, i did some changes to mkinitfs trigger today
2023-12-04 18:54:17 <ncopa> did the trigger not execute on apk upgrade ?
2023-12-04 18:55:06 <jonesv> minimal: maybe it's this "usb-hid"? Here is the output of `lsusb -t`: https://paste.sr.ht/blob/95840fe1f93b6f74a052b85badc99e5821529617
2023-12-04 18:55:20 <dok> ncopa: I think the trigger executed, but I did had the correct kernel version
2023-12-04 18:55:27 <dok> or somthing like this
2023-12-04 18:56:25 <jonesv> minimal: or it's also xhci, but that would be weird because in that case I suppose both should work
2023-12-04 18:57:20 <minimal> jonesv: I assume it is using whichever it finds "first"
2023-12-04 18:57:34 <minimal> you could try moving it to different USB ports
2023-12-04 18:58:47 <dari> ncopa: I think it was ok, problem was with old linux-lts, apk fix and apk -a upgrade did fix it
2023-12-04 19:01:43 <dok> I think it is ok, I can see the newer kernel modules in /lib/modules/6.6.4.0-lts/
2023-12-04 19:02:49 <dok> but how can I check if the vmlinux in /boot is aligned with module version ?
2023-12-04 19:03:10 <dok> nvm, file(1) did the trick
2023-12-04 19:06:02 <jonesv> minimal: not sure I get this. They both work right now, so I assume dmesg should show both. It's not that the external keyboard "replaces" the laptop one
2023-12-04 19:06:25 <jonesv> minimal: but doesn't this look like it would be the internal keyboard? https://paste.sr.ht/blob/c4948eaaf0757382b3ec9caf1a97c5eb796322c8
2023-12-04 19:07:01 <minimal> jonesv: they both work right now ON THE CONSOLE? or via X-Windows or Wayland?
2023-12-04 19:09:32 <minimal> jonesv: the 1st value in the dmesg output is time since kernel started, so the SONiX keyboard is being activated some time after kernel starts (i.e. when full Alpine boots) whereas the ealier dmesg output showed the Logitech as a far earler time (29 secs from kernel start)
2023-12-04 19:09:33 <jonesv> minimal: They both work on the console. When I enter my passphrase with the internal keyboard, then I can login with the internal keyboard or with the external one, it doesn't matter
2023-12-04 19:10:06 <minimal> perhaps the SONiX also needs some additional module(s) to load?
2023-12-04 19:11:01 <jonesv> minimal: should I try to find something in `lsmod`? There are many there :)
2023-12-04 19:11:02 <minimal> there's *some* reason why the SONiX isn't discovered until 4749 seconds after kernel loads
2023-12-04 19:11:13 <minimal> perhaps
2023-12-04 19:12:04 <minimal> it shows up as 4 input devices so I guess it needs additional modules
2023-12-04 19:12:05 <quinq> 1h30, could be worse
2023-12-04 21:50:56 <DoHr> rootless podman fails to actually stop distrobox container, after SIGTERM fails and SIGKILL is done, the distrobox container is merely stuck at "stopping" according to podman ps --all,
2023-12-04 21:51:47 <DoHr> im unsure where to look for resolving that
2023-12-05 08:41:50 <TorT> sobering
2023-12-05 11:37:00 <jonesv> quinq, minimal: found it! If I add "hid-generic,hid-logitech" to GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT, then the external usb keyboard is recognized in the initramfs! \o/
2023-12-05 11:37:42 <jonesv> quinq: now my problem is that grub-mkconfig fails with `/usr/sbin/grub-probe: error: failed to get canonical path of `/dev/nvme-WDC_PC_SN720_SDAQNTW-1T00-1001_192901800127-part3'`
2023-12-05 11:38:03 <quinq> nice :)
2023-12-05 11:38:10 <jonesv> So I have to edit GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT manually at boot time for now
2023-12-05 11:38:25 <quinq> Just edit /boot/grub/grub.cfg
2023-12-05 11:38:29 <grawity> isn't that supposed to be /dev/disk/by-id/nvme-*
2023-12-05 11:38:48 <quinq> It's a grub-probe limitation
2023-12-05 11:39:47 <jonesv> quinq: oh, that should be easy enough
2023-12-05 11:40:35 <jonesv> quinq: how do you deal with the fact that grub is patched when you use ZFS? Can I tell apk to never update grub with `apk upgrade` or something like that?
2023-12-05 11:45:12 <ashie[m]> could anyone point me to where I could find the trigger that updates initramfs after kernel update? or to someplace where I could find out how they work in general?
2023-12-05 11:51:28 <ikke> https://wiki.alpinelinux.org/wiki/APKBUILD_Reference#triggers
2023-12-05 11:52:08 <ikke> https://gitlab.alpinelinux.org/alpine/aports/-/blob/master/main/mkinitfs/mkinitfs.trigger
2023-12-05 11:54:10 <frag> 'ls' makes colums if it fits, so how can 'ls|wc' count the files correctly?
2023-12-05 11:54:57 <ikke> frag: ls detects the output is not a tty and will show output as `ls -1`
2023-12-05 11:58:16 <quinq> jonesv, I just never have to regenerate grub.cfg
2023-12-05 11:58:38 <quinq> Which is good because of that limitation, but also bad regarding kernel management, but that's a different story :>
2023-12-05 11:58:46 <ashie[m]> ikke: thanks for the help
2023-12-05 12:04:02 <jonesv> quinq: but here [1] it says "The sed workaround for grub-mkconfig needs to be applied for every GRUB update, as the update will overwrite the changes." [1]: https://openzfs.github.io/openzfs-docs/Getting%20Started/Alpine%20Linux/Root%20on%20ZFS.html
2023-12-05 12:04:06 <jonesv> quinq: don't you have that too?
2023-12-05 12:10:18 <frag> ikke: aha :]
2023-12-05 12:21:23 <andym48[m]> <cristian_c> "andym48, I've found no fixes for..." <- What dm are you using?
2023-12-05 12:21:23 <andym48[m]> Remind me? You have polkit installed? What is the problem?
2023-12-05 12:41:45 <jonesv> quinq: hmm I edited /boot/grub/grub.cfg, but still my `modules=` changes don't appear at boot time. Do I need to run a command to make it effective, like mkinitfs or something?
2023-12-05 13:15:47 <cristian_c> andym48[m], sddm
2023-12-05 13:16:01 <cristian_c> andym48[m], polkit-elogind installed
2023-12-05 13:16:37 <jonesv> quinq: nevermind, I actually had to edit /boot/efis/nvme-WDC_PC_[...]-part1/alpine/grub-bootdir/x86_64-efi/grub/grub.cfg. Now it just works. Thanks a lot for the help quinq & minimal!
2023-12-05 13:17:43 <quinq> Oh yeah, that EFI silliness :D
2023-12-05 13:17:49 <quinq> De nada jonesv, enjoy! :)
2023-12-05 13:20:27 <jonesv> I really like Alpine, it's been a few weeks now and it really works well!
2023-12-05 13:21:16 <jonesv> Now I need to learn about ZFS and how to make proper backups
2023-12-05 13:21:48 <cristian_c> andym48[m], I've to run doas eloginctl reboot/shutdown from terminal everytime
2023-12-05 13:22:32 <cristian_c> andym48[m], it could be possible I can't make clock/calendar showing due to the same reason
2023-12-05 14:28:08 <andym48[m]> <cristian_c> "andym48, sddm" <- But no DE? Maybe install xfce or similar, you might find it easier?
2023-12-05 14:28:59 <cristian_c> andym48[m], lxqt
2023-12-05 14:29:12 <cristian_c> (it was already installed)
2023-12-05 14:32:58 <andym48[m]> cristian_c: I don't know lxqt, Hang on and I will install it this pm
2023-12-05 14:35:14 <cristian_c> np
2023-12-05 14:35:54 <cristian_c> (finally, I've managed to make alsa/pulseaudio running properly, btw)
2023-12-05 14:36:22 <cristian_c> (I don't remember if I've also tested an audio/video file, btw)
2023-12-05 14:52:23 <adhawkins> Anyone help with my initfs issues from last night?
2023-12-05 14:52:30 <adhawkins> I got them sorted by manually rebuilding the initfs.
2023-12-05 14:52:42 <adhawkins> I see there's a new mkinitfs package available today, could that be it?
2023-12-05 14:58:31 <andym48[m]> <cristian_c> "andym48, I've to run doas..." <- Works fine for me in lxqt. Menu > Leave > Rebbot or Shutdown...
2023-12-05 14:58:49 <andym48[m]> s/Rebbot/Reboot/
2023-12-05 14:59:57 <minimal> adhawkins: what help are you expecting? you said rebuilding the initramfs addressed the issue, so what's left to resolve?
2023-12-05 15:03:22 <andym48[m]> andym48[m]: Also the clock is in the panel by default. Do you have lxqt-panel installed?
2023-12-05 17:31:40 <adhawkins> minimal: Wondering why it failed to do it automatically during the upgrade process.
2023-12-05 17:32:16 <adhawkins> I was left with a non-bootable system. If it hadn't been a VM that I'd snapshotted beforehand, it'd have been a whole lot more difficult to rescue I suspect.
2023-12-05 17:33:13 <minimal> adhawkins: because of a bug/bugs in the mkinitfs package that were fixed by the update you noticed?
2023-12-05 17:33:24 <adhawkins> If it's as simple as that, then I'm happy :)
2023-12-05 17:33:27 <minimal> you are running Edge - beware of dragons!
2023-12-05 17:34:12 <minimal> if you want a "safer" system then run a release, don't run Edge
2023-12-05 17:35:15 <adhawkins> That's one of the reasons I always snapshot before applying updates. Was just trying to understand whether I'd done something wrong. If it was a confirmed issue with the mkinitfs package (which has subsequently been fixed) then I'm happy.
2023-12-05 17:36:08 <minimal> adhawkins: check the mkinitfs git repo to see what changes were commited, check the gitlab Issues, etc
2023-12-05 17:36:38 <adhawkins> Ok, will do. Have just updated to the recent version and it's managed to build an initfs. No kernel update though, which I suspect was what triggered it.
2023-12-05 17:37:12 <minimal> again, you're running Edge, expect things to break randomly
2023-12-05 17:37:31 <minimal> especially this close to a release when various things have changed at last minute
2023-12-05 17:37:56 <adhawkins> Understood. Just to be clear, wasn't a complaint. I was just trying to understand what was going on.
2023-12-05 17:38:35 <minimal> wel you said the new mkinitfs version fixed things so the obvious place to look was at what changed in mkinitfs...
2023-12-05 17:39:07 <adhawkins> I can't say it has fixed it, as what appeared to be happening was that it was trying to build the initfs for the *old* kernel version. Until there's a new kernel it's hard to prove that.
2023-12-05 17:39:32 <minimal> adhawkins: and there was an Issue raised for that exactly problem...
2023-12-05 17:40:00 <adhawkins> Ok, that's good to know. I'll try to research a bit more in future before coming here to ask for help.
2023-12-05 17:40:36 <minimal> #15538
2023-12-05 17:42:21 <adhawkins> Thanks minimal, I feel better now :)
2023-12-05 18:19:16 <dari> #15538 need after do "apk fix" 
2023-12-05 19:10:01 <cristian_c> <andym48[m]> <cristian_c> "andym48, I've to run doas..." <- Works fine for me in lxqt. Menu > Leave > Rebbot or Shutdown...
2023-12-05 19:10:11 <cristian_c> <andym48[m]> andym48[m]: Also the clock is in the panel by default. Do you have lxqt-panel installed?
2023-12-05 19:10:25 <cristian_c> I think so, there are other plugins shiwn in the panel
2023-12-05 19:10:32 <cristian_c> *widgets
2023-12-05 19:11:13 <cristian_c> andym48[m], I don't know why it doesn't work
2023-12-05 19:11:19 <cristian_c> What do you suggest?
2023-12-05 19:41:58 <andym48[m]> <cristian_c> "andym48, I don't know why it..." <- Check that you have all the required lxqt programmes installed
2023-12-05 19:41:58 <andym48[m]> $ apk search -v -d lxqt
2023-12-05 19:47:01 <cristian_c> uhm
2023-12-05 19:47:09 <cristian_c> ok
2023-12-05 20:27:35 <cristian_c> andym48[m], sorry for the delay
2023-12-05 20:28:12 <cristian_c> andym48[m], apk search says lxqt-panel and lxqt-policykit are in place
2023-12-05 20:28:23 <cristian_c> I don't know what to check
2023-12-05 20:44:14 <cristian_c> andym48[m], considering loginctl works only using root privileges in commandline
2023-12-05 20:56:57 <dari> cristian_c: do you have polkit service enabled?
2023-12-05 21:00:57 <dari> and you have to be sure your dm start wm with "dbus-launch --exit-with-session your-wm"
2023-12-05 21:10:37 <cristian_c> <dari> and you have to be sure your dm start wm with "dbus-launch --exit-with-session your-wm"
2023-12-05 21:11:12 <cristian_c> dari, I've started lxqt through sddm
2023-12-05 21:11:28 <cristian_c> sorry, lxqt uses openbox by default
2023-12-05 21:12:00 <cristian_c> <dari> cristian_c: do you have polkit service enabled? <- I know it's enabled but I check again to be sure
2023-12-05 21:14:27 <cristian_c> dari, bingo
2023-12-05 21:15:14 <cristian_c> dari, doas rc-update add polkit and doas rc-service polkit start did the trick
2023-12-05 21:20:21 <cristian_c> andym48[m], ok, from World Clock settings, I've selected Time zones tab and then Add... -> UTC and then UTC + N desired, and finally OK
2023-12-05 21:20:47 <cristian_c> it works now (both clock and calendar)
2023-12-05 21:22:22 <cristian_c> andym48[m], probably, I should install network manager but I'm not sure if it's really needed
2023-12-05 21:23:13 <cristian_c> andym48[m], anyway, yesterday I installed bluedevil and I've noticed it doesn't appear in lxqt menus so I've to run that from commandline
2023-12-05 21:23:23 <cristian_c> have you experienced such issue?
2023-12-05 21:23:25 <dari> oook, nice
2023-12-05 21:24:15 <dari> cristian_c: for system time is nice to install chrony, I'm installing it everywhere as a server and client
2023-12-05 21:36:37 <cristian_c> I think it's installed already
2023-12-05 21:39:27 <dari> :)
2023-12-05 22:29:18 <andyhhp> Hello - I've got a weird bug that's just cropped up in Xen's CI, and I expect it's me not understanding Alpine packaging properly.  Can anyone explain what I'm doing wrong?
2023-12-05 22:29:58 <andyhhp> we just added elfutils-dev to a build container, which caused a built artefact to pick up a runtime dependency on libdw
2023-12-05 22:30:59 <andyhhp> when updating the test environment, `apk add elfutils` works fine, but `apk add libdw` complains that there's no such thing as a package by the name of libdw
2023-12-05 22:32:16 <andyhhp> I can make do with the whole of elfutils, but I'd prefer to just have libdw.so.1 and call it done
2023-12-05 22:53:48 <andyhhp> nvm, I've figured it out.  It's packaged differently between edge and 3.18
2023-12-06 07:27:25 <Pinkbyte> Hi. I am wondering, how to fix error during installation of 3proxy package (from testing repository): https://pastebin.com/e1Wc0dLT
2023-12-06 07:36:49 <ikke> Pinkbyte: you cannot install packages from edge on a 3.18 system 
2023-12-06 07:37:04 <Pinkbyte> ikke, well, it worked fine on 3.18.2
2023-12-06 07:37:21 <ikke> Pinkbyte: it works until ut doesn't 
2023-12-06 07:37:37 <ikke> It's not supported 
2023-12-06 07:38:42 <Pinkbyte> ikke, ok than. Same error with alpine:edge container
2023-12-06 07:39:28 <Pinkbyte>  /etc/alpine-release says 3.19_alpha20230901
2023-12-06 07:39:47 <Pinkbyte> should i send bugreport to https://gitlab.alpinelinux.org/alpine/aports about that ?
2023-12-06 07:43:24 <ikke> Yes
2023-12-06 07:45:36 <Pinkbyte> ikke, ok, thanks.
2023-12-06 08:30:29 <andym48[m]> <cristian_c> "andym48, anyway, yesterday I..." <- Whoa, bluedevil is kde isn't it? No idea id it will work without kde plasma but it is best not to mix environments. Youcould try blueman instead.
2023-12-06 08:37:36 <andym48[m]> <cristian_c> "andym48, probably, I should..." <- I use NetworkManager anyway. You don't actually need it see: https://wiki.alpinelinux.org/wiki/Configure_Networking but I have got used to it. Note: If you use NetworkManager then it starts chrony automatically.
2023-12-06 13:11:01 <cristian_c> andym48[m], https://manual.lubuntu.me/stable/2/2.1/2.1.4/bluedevil.html
2023-12-06 13:11:42 <cristian_c> "Bluedevil is the default application to manage Bluetooth devices for Lubuntu."
2023-12-06 19:53:58 <ssm> outils package seems broken, no files are installed, verified with apk info -L outils
2023-12-06 19:56:54 <ikke> it has been split one subpackage per util
2023-12-06 19:58:30 <ikke> ssm: https://pkgs.alpinelinux.org/packages?name=outils-*&branch=edge&repo=&arch=x86_64&maintainer=
2023-12-06 20:56:45 <Hello71> shouldn't the top package depend on all the subpackages then
2023-12-06 20:57:34 <ikke> That would make sense
2023-12-07 09:48:52 <Babba> hello
2023-12-07 10:02:25 <Babba> i'm having abit of trouble with dhcprelay, i made an /etc/dhcprelay.conf with DHCRELAY_SERVERS=172.24.48.1 and INTERFACES=eth1 what more thigns should i be looking at to make it work? it is supposed to get it's IPs from a windows Hyper-V default switch, this Alpine-Linux is in and virtual machine
2023-12-07 10:02:38 <Babba> and = an
2023-12-07 10:04:58 <Babba> wait, should i expect eth1 to get an IP from the dhcp or should i set a static ip and expect other computers to be able to get an IP from the relay service?
2023-12-07 10:24:36 <grawity> the interface that's acting as a DHCP server should always have a static IP address, and this includes 'servers' that are relays
2023-12-07 10:44:45 <Apachez> the dhcp server itself doesnt necessary need a static ip but can be handy that all your static services have static assigned
2023-12-07 10:44:51 <Apachez> such as ntp, dns, dhcp etc
2023-12-07 10:47:02 <grawity> I don't think I've seen a DHCP server get itself a lease from its own pool
2023-12-07 10:47:27 <grawity> and with relaying I believe it does need a static IP, since the relayed packets have to include the relay's IP address (for the server to distinguish which subnet is being relayed)...
2023-12-07 10:48:04 <Babba> ah, thanks both of you, cuttnig cables and drilling holes in the computer now, well atleast i'm writing some conf files, maybe i should not drill holes at random places :D
2023-12-07 11:17:15 <Ermine> Imagine dhcp server needing a dhcp server
2023-12-07 11:31:20 <Babba> Lol yea it is more like i want understand linux stuff, and i liked the GUI of Alpine, no gui atall, just text based
2023-12-07 11:41:07 <Ermine> You can disable gui in literally any distro...
2023-12-07 11:54:28 <Babba> yea, but Apachez suggested Alpine long ago and a few days i decided to try it, i liked that it was small and i plan on replacing the ubuntu gateway i have for my internet, i was totally unskilled when i installed that one, now i'm just almost as unskilled at linux :D
2023-12-07 11:56:24 <Babba> one can satisfy that feeling of having many computersto deal with when one have a small fast booting thing to load into a bunch of virtual machines
2023-12-07 11:56:55 <Babba> and i had to chose one distro, Alpine was my selection :D
2023-12-07 12:44:27 <PureTryOut> I mean, my Alpine installation on laptop and desktop most definitely has a GUI lol
2023-12-07 12:53:07 <Babba> but i bet you added it after installeing alpine?
2023-12-07 13:41:08 <ncopa> anybody wants to update https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alpine_Linux with 3.19?
2023-12-07 14:20:59 <PureTryOut> Babba: ofc, so?
2023-12-07 14:21:35 <fauust> Hi! After upgrade to 3.19 I have programs that segfault, for instance meld or firefox (only when it opens a explorer windows, for choosing the place to download files for instance)... Is there any debugging that I should share?
2023-12-07 14:25:57 <ikke> fauust: what graphical environment?
2023-12-07 14:26:38 <fauust> ikke: sorry, sway
2023-12-07 14:27:25 <ikke> Okay, I'm on edge atm, which is still very close to 3.19, but using X11, and no issues with firefox crashing showing the file dialog
2023-12-07 14:28:31 <fauust> ok so probably related to sway or my environment. I launched an upgrade on my laptop remotely so will test later on it too.
2023-12-07 14:29:19 <fauust> ah regarding meld I tried `sudo apk del meld && sudo apk add meld` but no luck and not sure how to debug it either
2023-12-07 14:29:57 <ikke> reinstalling a package like that rarely helps
2023-12-07 14:31:35 <fauust> well I am relatively new to Alpine Linux but sometimes it helped since it regenerated some libs or stuff at the end of apk process...
2023-12-07 14:34:03 <Babba> PureTryOut, then it would be bigger and not so fast at starting i guess, but it all comes down to what one want to do i guess :)
2023-12-07 14:57:38 <Forza> Congrats on the 3.19 release :)
2023-12-07 16:58:33 <omni> I can reproduce segfault with firefox on sway
2023-12-07 17:02:32 <omni> When Ctrl+S/Save As...
2023-12-07 17:07:44 <lopid> why would you do that :(
2023-12-07 17:12:13 <omni> because I wanted to see if I could reproduce it
2023-12-07 18:24:52 <c7s> so, I've just tried to upgrade to 3.19 by putting that in /etc/apk/repositories and running apk upgrade --available, but I still seem to not have older versions of some packages, such as in https://0x0.st/H3ZO.txt and several others, any idea what could cause this or how to fix?
2023-12-07 18:26:13 <ikke> c7s: apk list --orphan
2023-12-07 18:26:44 <c7s> ikke: do you want me to send the output of that?
2023-12-07 18:29:28 <ikke> If it returns anything, those are packages that do not exist anymore in the repositories and could cause this
2023-12-07 18:29:55 <c7s> right
2023-12-07 18:30:08 <c7s> ok, thanks, I think I can fix that
2023-12-07 18:33:13 <dari> you can "apk -r info icu-libs" and try find which package form the list hold icu-libs form upgrade
2023-12-07 18:33:32 <dari> s/form/from
2023-12-07 20:50:31 <jonesv> I updated to 3.19 and I am going through the `update-conf`, and in mkinitfs.conf, I see that 3.19 adds two features for me: kms and mmc. Can I safely ignore them? I did not have them before and it feels like everything was fine :)
2023-12-07 20:52:51 <jonesv> Feels like most of the time I just want to zap the new file
2023-12-07 20:53:47 <jonesv> (except for config files I never changed myself)
2023-12-07 21:00:27 <invoked> you can ignore them. these feature names just correspond to kernel modules. if you need a specific kernel module at boot time, you'll need to add it to features
2023-12-07 21:00:55 <invoked> kms for instance you might add for a specific gpu that needs early kernel modesetting
2023-12-07 22:44:00 <jonesv> invoked: got it, thanks
2023-12-07 22:44:11 <jonesv> This `update-conf` is pretty cool, actually :-)
2023-12-07 23:06:41 <invoked> i believe it is at least inspired by etc-update in gentoo
2023-12-07 23:07:06 <invoked> not sure, really, more of a guess than a belief
2023-12-07 23:07:59 <ssm> looks more like sysmerge from openbsd (don't know if there's anything like that on freebsd)
2023-12-07 23:08:04 <ssm> gentoo gets most of its good ideas from bsd
2023-12-07 23:08:14 <invoked> alpine used to be based on gentoo iirc
2023-12-07 23:09:44 <Giovanni73> Hi, has anyone else noticed a bug with docker on 3.19? I am no longer able to set memory_limit.
2023-12-07 23:11:20 <Giovanni73> I get the following error with the same compose-file, which ran on 3.18 (docker 23) without any problems.
2023-12-07 23:11:29 <Giovanni73> Error response from daemon: failed to create task for container: failed to create shim task: OCI runtime create failed: runc create failed: unable to start container process: unable to apply cgroup configuration: cannot enter cgroupv2 "/sys/fs/cgroup/docker" with domain controllers -- it is in domain threaded mode: unknown
2023-12-07 23:14:17 <omni> Giovanni73: is it related to https://gitlab.alpinelinux.org/alpine/aports/-/issues/15506 ?
2023-12-07 23:15:11 <jonesv> invoked, ssm: right, I see. Seems like pacman does something similar on Arch, too
2023-12-07 23:15:48 <Giovanni73> I can agree with "And looking at /sys/fs/cgroup/docker/cgroup.subtree_control there is only: "cpuset cpu pids" while /sys/fs/cgroup/cgroup.subtree_control contains all: "cpuset cpu io memory hugetlb pids""
2023-12-07 23:32:05 <Giovanni73> omni, Is there anything I can contribute to narrow down the problem?`
2023-12-07 23:32:28 <Giovanni73> docker 23.0.6 on alpine 3.18.4 used cgroups v1. Since 3.19.0 docker now uses cgroups v2. 
2023-12-07 23:43:40 <Giovanni73> omni: setting 'rc_cgroup_mode="hybrid"' in /etc/rc.conf works temporarily as workaround. This causes docker to fall back to cgroup v1 - as in 3.18. 
2023-12-08 02:47:43 <ahmadraniri[m]> Hello, I'm trying to make a simple package. I can build it but I don't know how to package it. This is my APKBUILD : https://gitlab.com/lidgl/lidgnulinux/-/raw/main/APKBUILD_tinyway
2023-12-08 02:49:14 <ahmadraniri[m]> The build produce a single binary file and the file will be installed into /usr/bin.
2023-12-08 03:56:00 <ajhalili2006> ahmadraniri[m]: you need to place the built binaries to $pkgdir/usr/{lib,bin} directory
2023-12-08 03:56:23 <ajhalili2006> ahmadraniri[m]: see https://gitlab.alpinelinux.org/alpine/aports/-/blob/master/community/tailscale/APKBUILD#L55-65 for a example
2023-12-08 05:25:20 <ahmadraniri[m]> ajhalili2006 : Thanks. I will see it.
2023-12-08 06:21:39 <zcrayfish> Can one of the admins bump up the AlpineLatest template on the wiki? ( https://wiki.alpinelinux.org/wiki/Template:AlpineLatest ) thanks
2023-12-08 06:22:55 <ikke> Done
2023-12-08 07:33:08 <zcrayfish> sweet, thanks!
2023-12-08 08:02:55 <acsqdotme> hey I'm pretty new to alpine and musl. caps2esc was my most productive program in arch, but I don't really know if I can build this without udevmon and glibc: gitlab.com/interception/linux/plugins/caps2esc
2023-12-08 08:05:28 <acsqdotme> is it not possible for me to build this inside /opt and call it a day?
2023-12-08 08:15:21 <quinq> acsqdotme, you could try
2023-12-08 08:15:38 <quinq> Why do you say it needs udevmon and glibc to build though?
2023-12-08 08:19:32 <acsqdotme> gitlab.com/interception/linux/tools#runtime-dependencies
2023-12-08 08:19:50 <acsqdotme> it depends on interception, and interception has those as runtime deps.
2023-12-08 08:20:22 <acsqdotme> so ig I meant build, not run.
2023-12-08 08:20:27 <acsqdotme> *<->
2023-12-08 09:26:44 <w00tang> hi, anyone know how to configure v6 on OVH? i'm really struggling to get it working
2023-12-08 09:27:10 <Babba> IPv6?
2023-12-08 09:27:17 <w00tang> ya
2023-12-08 09:27:52 <w00tang> i tried the alpine wiki documentation and the ovh documentation and it just won't fly 
2023-12-08 09:27:56 <Babba> let me see if i can find something i wrote about OVH long ago
2023-12-08 09:29:40 <Babba> Hmm, it wasnt where i hoped it would be
2023-12-08 09:30:17 <Babba> cant guarantee i will find it but i'll have a think when i get back
2023-12-08 09:33:30 <w00tang> thanks, much appreciated
2023-12-08 09:42:54 <Babba> btw, do you get any particular error messages or hints what is going wrong?
2023-12-08 09:47:43 <w00tang> no errors
2023-12-08 09:48:06 <w00tang> i last tried the debian approach according to https://help.ovhcloud.com/csm/en-gb-dedicated-servers-network-ipv6?id=kb_article_view&sysparm_article=KB0043764
2023-12-08 09:48:21 <w00tang> just service network restart but still doesn't ping
2023-12-08 09:50:23 <Babba> so you are getting an ip but the communication to that ip does not work?
2023-12-08 09:51:15 <Babba> can you see what address you are getting?
2023-12-08 09:52:20 <w00tang> well i just filled in the blanks according to what ovh shows in the dashboard as ip and gateway, there's no autoconf or so
2023-12-08 09:52:37 <w00tang> and i'm not sure what oyu mean by "what address you are getting"
2023-12-08 09:53:19 <Babba> if it is some config adress or some real address, just trying to compe up with ideas here :D
2023-12-08 09:53:31 <Babba> in lack of anything substancial
2023-12-08 09:55:26 <w00tang> i guess both, there's a v6 address that has "scope link proto kernel_ll" in addition to the "real v6", if that's what you mean
2023-12-08 10:01:30 <Babba> your machine get two adresses?
2023-12-08 10:02:29 <Babba> can i ask how you connect to it? ssh i assume and i also assume you are getting in to it?
2023-12-08 10:02:45 <quinq> w00tang, maybe show the output of ip -6 a and ip -6 r
2023-12-08 10:02:47 <w00tang> ya, i just connect via v4
2023-12-08 10:02:56 <quinq> algitbot, stop smoking
2023-12-08 10:03:06 <Babba> oooh i see, yea that makes sense
2023-12-08 10:04:26 <Babba> then i bet you have chacked what v6 adress your machine gets and tried accessing it trough it? no firewall issue or something, that often stop me :D
2023-12-08 10:04:46 <Babba> i kinda forget about the firewall for some reason
2023-12-08 10:04:49 <w00tang> https://pastebin.com/9rC8wjCk
2023-12-08 10:05:13 <w00tang> nope, firewall isn't the issue, 100%
2023-12-08 10:05:32 <quinq> Allright, and ip -6 r?
2023-12-08 10:06:34 <w00tang> oh yeah, forgot https://pastebin.com/T5tctQHm
2023-12-08 10:06:58 <quinq> Not what the guide says
2023-12-08 10:07:27 <quinq> Should be 2001:41d0:701:11FF:FF:FF:FF:FF
2023-12-08 10:08:08 <w00tang> you mean the default gw?
2023-12-08 10:08:14 <quinq> Yep
2023-12-08 10:08:25 <w00tang> that's not what the dashboard says though
2023-12-08 10:08:50 <quinq> “The default gateway for your IPv6 block (IPv6_GATEWAY) is usually xxxx.xxxx.xxxx.xxFF:FF:FF:FF:FF.”
2023-12-08 10:09:26 <quinq> “The IPv6 range of the server is 2001:41D0:1:46e::/64 or 2001:41D0:0001:046e:0000:0000:0000:0000/64. The IPv6_GATEWAY will therefore be 2001:41D0:1:4FF:FF:FF:FF:FF.”
2023-12-08 10:12:02 <w00tang> makes me wonder why they would fill in the wrong gateway in the dashboard
2023-12-08 10:12:13 <quinq> Well, that's OVH quality for you
2023-12-08 10:12:24 <w00tang> yeah ... to late for that now ...
2023-12-08 10:12:42 <quinq> Or maybe the documentation you gave is isn't for your machine
2023-12-08 10:13:37 <w00tang> well they don't support alpine so, i guess that's that
2023-12-08 10:15:24 <quinq> I'm talking about the machine, not the OS :)
2023-12-08 10:15:26 <Babba> but it is a bare metal machine ?
2023-12-08 10:15:30 <w00tang> if i add the route by hand via  ip -6 route i get RTNETLINK answers: Host is unreachable
2023-12-08 10:15:41 <quinq> What command?
2023-12-08 10:15:54 <w00tang> ip -6 route add default via 2001:41d0:701:11FF:FF:FF:FF:FF dev eth0
2023-12-08 10:16:03 <w00tang> machine is a kvm vps
2023-12-08 10:16:10 <Babba> the OS should not matter at all right?
2023-12-08 10:16:13 <quinq> ah, so no bare-metal
2023-12-08 10:16:28 <quinq> s/bare-metal/dedicated/
2023-12-08 10:16:30 <w00tang> nope, bare-metal i couldn't even get to install via one of those scripts floating around the net
2023-12-08 10:16:50 <w00tang> so i opted for the easy route and took a vps instead, i mean i don't need much anyway
2023-12-08 10:17:14 <Babba> now you have made me interested in trying OVH :D
2023-12-08 10:17:32 <w00tang> just to see how broken it is? :D
2023-12-08 10:17:44 <Babba> just becaus i find this interesting, i will most likely have the same issues but this is interesting :)
2023-12-08 10:18:16 <Babba> i have actually heard good things about OVH and good speeds
2023-12-08 10:18:35 <quinq> https://help.ovhcloud.com/csm/en-vps-configuring-ipv6?id=kb_article_view&sysparm_article=KB0047575
2023-12-08 10:18:55 <quinq> Quite different
2023-12-08 10:19:08 <w00tang> i have been with them for quite some time. in general its pretty good if you use their snake oil but once you do something that's not supported, it feels like a burden
2023-12-08 10:22:24 <w00tang> i just tried it (i believe i did in the past as well) still not pinging
2023-12-08 10:23:06 <w00tang> i also tried  their support but they basically told me "tough luck"
2023-12-08 10:24:14 <quinq> What are you trying to ping?
2023-12-08 10:25:00 <w00tang> the v6 address from outside
2023-12-08 10:25:21 <quinq> Who's?
2023-12-08 10:25:47 <w00tang> the v6 that i've been trying to get running
2023-12-08 10:25:59 <quinq> inet6 2001:41d0:701:1100::3365/64, they say: IPv6_PREFIX The prefix (or netmask) of your IPv6 block, usually 128 2001:xxxx:xxxx:xxxx::/128
2023-12-08 10:26:29 <quinq> So you're pinging your own IP?
2023-12-08 10:26:49 <quinq> And that doesn't work?
2023-12-08 10:26:54 <w00tang> nope
2023-12-08 10:27:29 <w00tang> on the server no problem to ping the v6 address, as soon as i try from outside, nothing
2023-12-08 10:27:41 <quinq> Ahhh…
2023-12-08 10:27:48 <quinq> But that's not really what you explained afaiu
2023-12-08 10:27:50 <Babba> i just decided not to get OVH because of their 23 page agreement, no way i'm agreening to that
2023-12-08 10:28:03 <quinq> So you're actually able to ping outside IPs?
2023-12-08 10:28:10 <quinq> Not your own, but outside ones
2023-12-08 10:28:42 <quinq> Like 2a01:7e00:e000:2fc::4
2023-12-08 10:29:29 <w00tang> actually no, now that you mention it
2023-12-08 10:30:07 <quinq> Can you ping the gateway?
2023-12-08 10:30:17 <w00tang> nope
2023-12-08 10:30:38 <quinq> Can you check the prefix?
2023-12-08 10:31:29 <w00tang> unfortunately without reinstalling, not really, it's either 128 or 64
2023-12-08 11:18:58 <w00tang> ok it's 128, i confirmed via their rest api
2023-12-08 11:42:35 <quinq> Does fixing it help?
2023-12-08 11:42:55 <w00tang> nope
2023-12-08 11:43:30 <quinq> Can you see with traceroute where the packets block?
2023-12-08 12:05:55 <Soni> who were we talking to about ipv6 previously?
2023-12-08 12:08:16 <Soni> or about ipv6-only kernels?
2023-12-08 12:21:32 <quinq> It's the linejust above
2023-12-08 13:05:32 <Soni> ah, telmich
2023-12-08 14:33:32 <Apachez> Babba: I dont know if its a good or a bad thing being blamed at for the reason you choosed alpine =)
2023-12-08 15:08:33 <minimal> w00tang: are you using cloud-init to configure Alpine?
2023-12-08 15:11:00 <minimal> From look at OVH docs the differences between their PublicCloud and VPSes is confusing...
2023-12-08 15:17:02 <w00tang> minimal: nope, i think i just dd'd it via rescue and then installed vie kvm because i didn't get it running otherwise
2023-12-08 15:17:53 <w00tang> but the upgrade just borked my test box so i'm now trying to find out how to fix it .... should have chosen a better cage to lock myself into ...
2023-12-08 15:22:58 <minimal> w00tang: ok. OVH do use cloud-init for the Public Cloud stuff (which is OpenStack based). Wasn't sure about whether it was an option for their VPS stuff - didn't the rename their VPS as Public Cloud? (even though they already had a Public Cloud offering)
2023-12-08 15:24:14 <w00tang> yeah, the box is openstack
2023-12-08 15:24:20 <w00tang> *running on
2023-12-08 15:32:46 <minimal> w00tang: ok,. so Openstack provides either a metadata server and/or a ConfigDrive ISO that contains machine config info, including network settings, and cloud-init can use that to configure the OS
2023-12-08 15:33:46 <w00tang> minimal: as far as i know using external images of any kind as feature is only available for dedicated servers
2023-12-08 15:35:01 <minimal> I'm not sure what you mean
2023-12-08 15:36:09 <w00tang> the only other option that i know of to interact with my vms at least is through their restapi and you can't do much, definitely not use any images or link to another server or something like that
2023-12-08 15:37:30 <minimal> how did you provision the VM and which OS did you select?
2023-12-08 15:38:55 <w00tang> run in rescue mode, dd image onto drive. boot into image, open kvm konsole, setup system, reboot
2023-12-08 15:39:24 <minimal> put you first needed to provision (i.e. create a VM).....otherwise there'd be no disk to dd onto
2023-12-08 15:39:32 <minimal> s/put/but/
2023-12-08 15:39:59 <w00tang> i don't provision anything, they do that, i'm just a small fry customer
2023-12-08 15:40:27 <w00tang> *frie
2023-12-08 15:40:33 <minimal> where did the VM come from - you somehow must have triggered its creation in the first place
2023-12-08 15:41:06 <minimal> and before you booted it in rescue mode what OS/distro was it running?
2023-12-08 15:41:31 <w00tang> ubuntu 23.04
2023-12-08 15:42:00 <minimal> ok, and was that working correctly for IPv6? and was it using cloud-init for config?
2023-12-08 15:42:08 <w00tang> no idea what exactly triggered it. you have an interface, you purchase your vm according to the pre-defined sizes, you can chose a few things and not much else
2023-12-08 15:42:28 <w00tang> iirc yes to both
2023-12-08 15:42:29 <minimal> "you purchase your VM" == triggered its provisioning
2023-12-08 15:43:10 <w00tang> i understood your question as in "at what point did the initialization of the creation of the vm started" something like that
2023-12-08 15:43:32 <w00tang> that a purchase generally triggers it, that's clear
2023-12-08 15:43:43 <minimal> so the metadata server/ConfigDrive config provided then likely details the correct settings for networking
2023-12-08 15:44:19 <w00tang> it should, ya
2023-12-08 15:44:40 <minimal> and cloud-init can make use of those settings
2023-12-08 15:45:31 <minimal> so when you install Alpine you could install cloud-init, enable it, and reboot and hopefully then networking will be setup correctly
2023-12-08 15:46:11 <w00tang> it'll just pull things of the bat because of autodiscovery and stuff? (haven'T worked with cloud-init)
2023-12-08 15:47:07 <minimal> as I said earlier cloud-init (in all distros) can use the Cloud/VPS Provider provided info to set various things up
2023-12-08 15:47:39 <minimal> additional user-data can be provided to setup things like users/groups, SSH keys, package installs, NTP config etc
2023-12-08 15:48:43 <w00tang> that i'm pretty sure they do but at least i'm not aware of that they knowingly expose their customers to these possibilities
2023-12-08 15:49:27 <w00tang> but i'll give it a try for sure, i'll just have to reinstall because for some reason it can't find the cryptroot after my last reboot
2023-12-08 15:49:40 <w00tang> its a testbox anyway
2023-12-08 15:50:32 <minimal> there's 2 types of config info - meta-data and network-config which the Provider control and so typically you can't manipulate it, and user-data which you can control
2023-12-08 16:01:52 <w00tang> so reinstalled and looked at the netplan config and it's a /56
2023-12-08 16:01:59 <w00tang> though their api said its /128
2023-12-08 16:02:29 <w00tang> *i reinstalled ubuntu to check the configs
2023-12-08 16:02:53 <minimal> the netplan will have been created by cloud-init based on the Openstack provided network-config
2023-12-08 16:03:07 <w00tang> inconsistent settings f-yeah
2023-12-08 16:03:15 <w00tang> :)
2023-12-08 16:03:52 <minimal> you'll see in /var/log/cloud-init.log whether it got the config from the OpenStack datasource (Metadata Server) or ConfigDrive datasource (ISO with horrible XML files)
2023-12-08 16:05:20 <Soni> hmm can we get alpine linux interested in fedilinks? https://fedilinks.org/ and in particular https://fedilinks.org/2
2023-12-08 16:07:11 <pj> why should we be interested in that?
2023-12-08 16:09:00 <Soni> better OS-level mastodon integration
2023-12-08 16:11:32 <pj> this looks like something that can be fixed within app or browser extension
2023-12-08 16:19:46 <telmich> Ha, reading my name from Soni ?
2023-12-08 16:20:07 <Soni> hi telmich
2023-12-08 16:20:13 <Soni> how do we set up matrix
2023-12-08 16:20:44 <telmich> Well, if you ask me, you will get a very biased answer, as the company I work for is offering it as a paid service. 
2023-12-08 16:21:14 <telmich> My personal opinion / experience is to best run matrix in k8s, but that is due to the infrastructures I am working with
2023-12-08 16:22:08 <pj> are you using synapse?
2023-12-08 16:22:52 <telmich> Yes, as it is the only production ready implementation
2023-12-08 16:23:11 <telmich> We have a test conduit running somewhere, but no dendrite
2023-12-08 16:23:34 <telmich> Ah, yes, it was/is on https://conduit.ungleich.ch/
2023-12-08 16:25:24 <Soni> as an user. we don't really care about how matrix manages identity tbh...
2023-12-08 16:26:16 <Soni> (tho we do wish they supported fedilinks...)
2023-12-08 16:29:18 <cristian_c> hi
2023-12-08 16:30:14 <cristian_c> I've followed alpine wiki to get nm installed: https://wiki.alpinelinux.org/wiki/NetworkManager
2023-12-08 16:31:27 <cristian_c> at the end, I can't manage to get a connection working, I've made several attempts but network is broken
2023-12-08 16:32:16 <cristian_c> I've looked at /var/log/messages too, I've tried to restart networking, network-manager and wpa_supplicant too
2023-12-08 16:33:30 <cristian_c> what's the proper method to get list of networks into network-manager-applet (Which I've installed too)?
2023-12-08 16:33:33 <cristian_c> any ideas?
2023-12-08 17:30:02 <telmich> cristian_c: to be honest, I am not sure how many are using network manager. I personally use wpa_supplicant + wpa_cli directly and have dhcpcd running acquiring the addresses independent of which medium I am connected to
2023-12-08 17:31:26 <cristian_c> telmich, ok but some applications don't work without using network manager
2023-12-08 17:31:45 <cristian_c> (e.g. blueman)
2023-12-08 17:31:59 <cristian_c> btw, it doesn't work with nm installed too
2023-12-08 17:32:20 <telmich> blueman as in... https://www.blueman.com/ ?
2023-12-08 17:32:27 <telmich> (never heard about it before)
2023-12-08 17:32:45 <cristian_c> ok,it fails to load because it doesn't find nm plugins
2023-12-08 17:33:16 <cristian_c> (from /var/log/messages, so it closes itself immediately)
2023-12-08 17:34:16 <cristian_c> https://github.com/blueman-project/blueman
2023-12-08 17:36:02 <jonesv> When does a package move from testing to community? Really out of curiosity, I'm learning about the process.
2023-12-08 17:36:29 <jonesv> The wiki says "when accepted", but I'm curious about what makes it accepted :)
2023-12-08 17:37:41 <jonesv> (I was looking at "steghide" for fun, realized it has been on testing since 2023-04-07, and that's why I now wonder. Not that I need it, though, out of curiosity)
2023-12-08 17:40:51 <dari> when is stable, well maintained and also supported at least to the next release (2 years)
2023-12-08 17:42:34 <cristian_c> wlan0 is properly listed by iwconfig
2023-12-08 17:42:56 <cristian_c> I've found this but nmcli is not installed: https://www.reddit.com/r/AlpineLinux/comments/xp1h52/network_manager_not_showing_any_connections/
2023-12-08 17:43:01 <cristian_c> any ideas?
2023-12-08 17:45:22 <qaqland> oh! system update
2023-12-08 17:46:25 <cristian_c> telmich, wpa_cli says: "Could not connect to wpa_supplicant: (nil) - re-trying"
2023-12-08 17:46:33 <cristian_c> and it hangs indefinitely
2023-12-08 17:50:29 <jonesv> dari: oh, 2 years... that's something. But how do you judge "stable"? Are there some statistics of people using it? I guess "well maintained" means "not flagged out of date too often"
2023-12-08 17:52:37 <jonesv> dari: wait... releases are more often than every 2 years. Isn't 2 years the time to EOL for a release?
2023-12-08 17:52:56 <dari> jonesv: if you as a maintainer of that package decide that package is in good shape then you creating pull request to move it to community and if nobody have any objections then will be accepted
2023-12-08 17:53:20 <jonesv> dari: oh, I see
2023-12-08 17:53:59 <jonesv> dari: > The main repository is typically supported for 2 years and the community repository is supported until next stable release.
2023-12-08 17:54:11 <dari> main release so every 2 years
2023-12-08 18:32:04 <vkrishn> cristian_c: wpa_supplicant works just fine if modules/firmwares are loaded properly
2023-12-08 18:34:36 <vkrishn> i have tried on spreadtrum, mediatek(wmt), broadcom, qualcom(wcnss) and atheros
2023-12-08 18:37:03 <vkrishn> only problem i get sometimes is trying to figure out why modules don't load
2023-12-08 18:39:25 <vkrishn> or rather which ;)
2023-12-08 18:46:27 <cristian_c> vkrishn, ok but module is loaded and iwconfig shows SSID name too
2023-12-08 18:46:57 <cristian_c> so I don't know what to do to make things working now
2023-12-08 18:50:38 <vkrishn> first try stopping networkManager then uninstalling it or any other service that tries to auto connect/enable wifi
2023-12-08 18:51:01 <vkrishn> 2. install iw
2023-12-08 18:51:41 <vkrishn> 3. iw dev|grep wlan # should give you wlan0
2023-12-08 18:51:44 <cristian_c> vkrishn, iwd?
2023-12-08 18:51:49 <vkrishn> no iw
2023-12-08 18:51:55 <cristian_c> ah, ok
2023-12-08 18:52:05 <vkrishn> its in community
2023-12-08 18:52:30 <cristian_c> <vkrishn> first try stopping networkManager then uninstalling it or any other service that tries to auto connect/enable wifi  <- but not wpa_supplicant
2023-12-08 18:52:48 <vkrishn> yes, all lets try from begining
2023-12-08 18:53:34 <vkrishn> 4. ip link|grep wlan # this should give you line with wlan0
2023-12-08 18:53:53 <vkrishn> if you manage to pass 1 to 4, do tell
2023-12-08 18:54:16 <cristian_c> vkrishn, installing packages without a connection now it's an issue
2023-12-08 18:54:47 <vkrishn> does 4 ^ work
2023-12-08 18:55:02 <vkrishn> its available in basic install
2023-12-08 18:55:14 <cristian_c> <vkrishn> 2. install iw
2023-12-08 18:55:47 <vkrishn> yes, iw is in community, if that cannot be installed try step 4
2023-12-08 18:56:20 <vkrishn> 4. busybox ip link | grep wlan
2023-12-08 18:58:41 <vkrishn> btw how did you manage to install networkmanager ?
2023-12-08 18:59:09 <cristian_c> vkrishn, ok, networkmanager-bluetooth, networkmanager-qt and networkmanager-wifi prente me to uninstall network manager
2023-12-08 18:59:31 <cristian_c> vkrishn, the connection was working before installing networkmanager
2023-12-08 18:59:45 <cristian_c> vkrishn, ok, networkmanager-bluetooth, networkmanager-qt and networkmanager-wifi prevent me to uninstall network manager
2023-12-08 19:00:41 <vkrishn> ok you are on full running desktop? is it ram based install ?
2023-12-08 19:00:44 <cristian_c> ok, I've uninstalled these three packages
2023-12-08 19:01:06 <vkrishn> nice, try step 4
2023-12-08 19:01:06 <cristian_c> vkrishn, I think no, btw it's a running desktop currently
2023-12-08 19:01:40 <cristian_c> <vkrishn> 4. ip link|grep wlan # this should give you line with wlan0
2023-12-08 19:02:07 <vkrishn> yes, paste it on https://tpaste.us/
2023-12-08 19:02:38 <cristian_c> vkrishn, btw, /etc/NetworkManager/NetworkManager.conf still exists !
2023-12-08 19:02:50 <vkrishn> its ok
2023-12-08 19:03:02 <cristian_c> should I not remove that file?
2023-12-08 19:03:44 <vkrishn> it should not conflict with anything we are trying
2023-12-08 19:03:55 <vkrishn> try: 5. ps aux |grep -i network
2023-12-08 19:04:13 <cristian_c> it's not so easy to paste without connection
2023-12-08 19:05:28 <vkrishn> ok does 4, resemble something like, https://tpaste.us/
2023-12-08 19:05:34 <vkrishn> sorry https://tpaste.us/8MZk 
2023-12-08 19:05:46 <cristian_c> btw, it says: "3: wlan0: <NO-CARRIER, BROADCAST, MULTICAST, UP> mtu 1500 qdisc mq state DOWN qlen 1000
2023-12-08 19:05:56 <vkrishn> yes that nice
2023-12-08 19:06:07 <vkrishn> progress
2023-12-08 19:06:10 <cristian_c> <vkrishn> try: 5. ps aux |grep -i network <- now, this
2023-12-08 19:06:17 <vkrishn> yes
2023-12-08 19:07:01 <cristian_c> 3608 alpine     0:00 grep -i network
2023-12-08 19:07:13 <vkrishn> good no running service
2023-12-08 19:07:13 <cristian_c> so, no useful results
2023-12-08 19:07:18 <cristian_c> ah, ok
2023-12-08 19:07:55 <vkrishn> 6. busybox ifconfig | grep wlan0
2023-12-08 19:08:28 <cristian_c> is busybox needed?
2023-12-08 19:08:32 <vkrishn> no
2023-12-08 19:09:11 <cristian_c> wlan0     Link encap:Ethernet and hwaddr
2023-12-08 19:09:48 <cristian_c> wlan0     Link encap:Ethernet and hwaddr
2023-12-08 19:09:55 <vkrishn> 7. ifconfig
2023-12-08 19:10:10 <vkrishn> does 7, mention HWaddr xx:xx:xx....
2023-12-08 19:10:18 <cristian_c> wlan0     Link encap:Ethernet and hwaddr
2023-12-08 19:10:47 <cristian_c> UP BROADCAST MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1
2023-12-08 19:10:55 <vkrishn> that, ok
2023-12-08 19:11:24 <cristian_c> RX packets:56 errors:0 dropped:1 overruns:0 frame:0
2023-12-08 19:11:26 <vkrishn> lets assume here modules/firmwares are loaded properly
2023-12-08 19:11:48 <vkrishn> 8. ifconfig wlan0 down # twice
2023-12-08 19:11:59 <cristian_c> TX packets:33 erros:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
2023-12-08 19:12:10 <vkrishn> thats ok, move to 8
2023-12-08 19:12:28 <cristian_c> collisions:0 txqueielen:1000
2023-12-08 19:13:07 <cristian_c> RX bytes:9184 (8.9 KiB)  TX bytes:4718 (4.6 KiB)
2023-12-08 19:13:18 <cristian_c> ok
2023-12-08 19:14:05 <cristian_c> doas ifconfig wlan0 down
2023-12-08 19:14:08 <cristian_c> (twice)
2023-12-08 19:14:12 <vkrishn> it looks like you already had a connected wifi, maybe your routes were incorrect
2023-12-08 19:14:31 <vkrishn> yes, twice
2023-12-08 19:14:39 <cristian_c> so, now
2023-12-08 19:14:57 <vkrishn> 9, busybox ifconfig | grep wlan0 # this should not give any value
2023-12-08 19:15:18 <cristian_c> correct
2023-12-08 19:15:43 <vkrishn> now lets build your wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant.conf file
2023-12-08 19:15:53 <vkrishn> do you have one already ?
2023-12-08 19:15:56 <cristian_c> probably it already exists
2023-12-08 19:17:44 <cristian_c> vkrishn, it includes sensitive data
2023-12-08 19:18:03 <cristian_c> vkrishn, ssid and psk
2023-12-08 19:18:13 <cristian_c> apparently, this seems not a good idea
2023-12-08 19:18:36 <vkrishn> yes, then move it to wpa_supplican.conf.bak
2023-12-08 19:18:58 <vkrishn> make new one https://tpaste.us/rjPV 
2023-12-08 19:19:37 <vkrishn> replace with appropriate value
2023-12-08 19:20:06 <vkrishn> you don't need to paste any user:pass on irc, you can always mask it with xxxxx
2023-12-08 19:23:04 <vkrishn> once done, 11, /sbin/wpa_supplicant -ddd -Dnl80211 -iwlan0 -c/etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant.conf
2023-12-08 19:23:45 <vkrishn> -ddd will not put it background but let you see any debug output
2023-12-08 19:24:47 <vkrishn> 12. open new shell
2023-12-08 19:26:40 <cristian_c> new tab open
2023-12-08 19:27:24 <cristian_c> vkrishn, too much output, btw
2023-12-08 19:27:39 <vkrishn> yes, don't bother with it
2023-12-08 19:27:42 <vkrishn> now
2023-12-08 19:28:04 <vkrishn> it will be put to background later, once done
2023-12-08 19:29:00 <vkrishn> 13, ip link | grep wlan0 | grep -i up
2023-12-08 19:29:35 <vkrishn> if that show this line, we can move forward, else, retrace back
2023-12-08 19:29:55 <cristian_c> same result than ip link | grep wlan0
2023-12-08 19:30:00 <vkrishn> https://tpaste.us/PEzy 
2023-12-08 19:30:15 <vkrishn> no UP has to there
2023-12-08 19:30:48 <cristian_c> qdisc mq state
2023-12-08 19:30:58 <cristian_c> just this difference
2023-12-08 19:31:08 <cristian_c> the rest is the same
2023-12-08 19:31:09 <vkrishn> ... qdisc pfifo_fast state UP qlen 1000
2023-12-08 19:31:27 <vkrishn> no "UP" ?
2023-12-08 19:31:28 <cristian_c> mq in  place of pfifo_fast
2023-12-08 19:31:37 <cristian_c> yeah, the rest is the same as yours
2023-12-08 19:31:56 <cristian_c> just pfifo_fast is missing replaced by mq
2023-12-08 19:32:09 <vkrishn> ok lets set ip
2023-12-08 19:32:37 <vkrishn> what ip is you router ?
2023-12-08 19:32:52 <vkrishn> 192.168.1.x ?
2023-12-08 19:32:56 <cristian_c> yes
2023-12-08 19:32:57 <vkrishn> or something
2023-12-08 19:34:08 <vkrishn> then 14, ifconfig wlan0 192.168.1.100 netmask 255.255.255.0 up
2023-12-08 19:34:36 <cristian_c> not dhcp?
2023-12-08 19:34:44 <vkrishn> do it later
2023-12-08 19:35:05 <vkrishn> that's not that target, it trying you figure out if wifi work
2023-12-08 19:35:16 <vkrishn> 15, ip link set dev wlan0 up
2023-12-08 19:36:10 <vkrishn> 16, route add default gw 192.168.1.?? wlan0
2023-12-08 19:36:39 <vkrishn> 17. busybox ping google.com
2023-12-08 19:37:45 <vkrishn> no retry 13 above
2023-12-08 19:38:53 <cristian_c> it pings
2023-12-08 19:39:02 <vkrishn> super
2023-12-08 19:39:15 <vkrishn> now lets neat them up
2023-12-08 19:39:26 <cristian_c> ctrl+c
2023-12-08 19:39:31 <vkrishn> yes
2023-12-08 19:40:16 <vkrishn> lets build your networking/interface file
2023-12-08 19:40:25 <vkrishn> do you have one
2023-12-08 19:40:37 <vkrishn> /etc/network/interfaces
2023-12-08 19:41:19 <cristian_c> auto wlan0
2023-12-08 19:41:33 <cristian_c> iface wlan0 inet dhcp
2023-12-08 19:41:50 <cristian_c> I can skip lo and eth0 entries
2023-12-08 19:42:02 <cristian_c> there are not important to paste, i guess
2023-12-08 19:42:14 <vkrishn> no  dont paste here
2023-12-08 19:42:15 <cristian_c> vkrishn, or not?
2023-12-08 19:42:25 <vkrishn> just make a backup
2023-12-08 19:42:33 <vkrishn> cp /etc/network/interfaces /etc/network/interfaces.bak
2023-12-08 19:42:36 <cristian_c> *they are not
2023-12-08 19:43:56 <vkrishn> first let do what works
2023-12-08 19:44:24 <vkrishn> 18, https://tpaste.us/6Ma8 
2023-12-08 19:44:29 <cristian_c> vkrishn, so, I've to edit the current file
2023-12-08 19:45:09 <cristian_c> vkrishn, I guess, I can open a browser since it pings
2023-12-08 19:45:35 <vkrishn> yes, rather replace, you have backup, so lets get you wifi up, then gradually move other onto it
2023-12-08 19:46:02 <vkrishn> yes, but you already ctrl+c wpa_supplicant
2023-12-08 19:46:36 <vkrishn> if ping goes, you have to 
2023-12-08 19:46:38 <cristian_c> vkrishn, have I to replace gateway ip?
2023-12-08 19:47:09 <vkrishn> yes, don't jump yet, there are resolve.conf, route ... etc to build
2023-12-08 19:48:01 <vkrishn> without gw(proper route) browsing might not work
2023-12-08 19:48:16 <vkrishn> 18 done ?
2023-12-08 19:48:23 <cristian_c> vkrishn, so, I've to stop /sbin/wpa_supplicant before editing interfaces file
2023-12-08 19:48:28 <cristian_c> Am I wrong?
2023-12-08 19:48:47 <vkrishn> not necessary
2023-12-08 19:49:11 <cristian_c> <vkrishn> yes, but you already ctrl+c wpa_supplicant <- I've not done it yey, it's still running in tab 1
2023-12-08 19:49:14 <vkrishn> ok, will let you know explicity when to stop
2023-12-08 19:49:22 <cristian_c> *yet
2023-12-08 19:49:30 <vkrishn> ok, keep it that way
2023-12-08 19:49:38 <vkrishn> 18 done ?
2023-12-08 19:51:10 <cristian_c> interfaces file has been edited
2023-12-08 19:51:32 <vkrishn> ok now ctrl+c wpa_supplicant
2023-12-08 19:52:04 <cristian_c> wlan0: CTRL-EVENT-TERMINATING
2023-12-08 19:52:13 <vkrishn> nice, 19, rc-service wpa_supplicant restart
2023-12-08 19:52:51 <cristian_c> started
2023-12-08 19:53:08 <vkrishn> busybox ping google.com
2023-12-08 19:53:39 <cristian_c> pinging
2023-12-08 19:54:11 <vkrishn> super , is this ram based install ?
2023-12-08 19:54:29 <cristian_c> I think not
2023-12-08 19:54:47 <vkrishn> then you have all your bak files
2023-12-08 19:54:51 <cristian_c> it has its own partition
2023-12-08 19:55:13 <vkrishn> apk add iw
2023-12-08 19:55:24 <cristian_c> <vkrishn> then you have all your bak files <- are they useful somewhat
2023-12-08 19:55:26 <cristian_c> ?
2023-12-08 19:55:32 <cristian_c> ok
2023-12-08 19:56:03 <cristian_c> vkrishn, rc-update and rc-service ?
2023-12-08 19:56:09 <cristian_c> (about iw)
2023-12-08 19:56:30 <vkrishn> no iw - its just a networking tool
2023-12-08 19:57:36 <vkrishn> 20, iw dev
2023-12-08 19:57:52 <cristian_c> <vkrishn> 3. iw dev|grep wlan # should give you wlan0
2023-12-08 19:58:13 <vkrishn> yes
2023-12-08 19:58:22 <vkrishn> 21, iw wlan0 link
2023-12-08 19:58:48 <vkrishn> does 20, 21 show info about wlan0 and SSID ?
2023-12-08 19:59:16 <cristian_c> yep
2023-12-08 19:59:50 <vkrishn> super, hi-five, now you have passed "intermediate wifi level", its above noob btw
2023-12-08 20:01:19 <vkrishn> enjoy net
2023-12-08 20:02:29 <vkrishn> in the meantime i would smash more alpinelinux into mobile devices in my virtual Hadron-collider
2023-12-08 20:02:31 <cristian_c> vkrishn, I mean, to get the configuration permanent
2023-12-08 20:02:57 <vkrishn> it already permanent, i don't know how you installed it yet
2023-12-08 20:03:56 <cristian_c> vkrishn, btw, I've uninstalled network-manager-applet
2023-12-08 20:04:40 <cristian_c> that has removed also a lot of stuff
2023-12-08 20:04:41 <vkrishn> good, dev here never like them much, me neither (i am more a user)
2023-12-08 20:05:04 <cristian_c> btw, I've to kill the applet in the tray yet
2023-12-08 20:05:31 <cristian_c> htop installed
2023-12-08 20:05:34 <vkrishn> if you need bluetooth then try searching - apk search -d blue
2023-12-08 20:05:52 <cristian_c> I've installed many packages about bluetooth
2023-12-08 20:06:16 <vkrishn> there are some cmdline tools there
2023-12-08 20:08:30 <cristian_c> killed
2023-12-08 20:08:42 <cristian_c> (via doas htop)
2023-12-08 20:09:42 <vkrishn> if you have ram > 4Gb, should try AL in ram based install first
2023-12-08 20:09:56 <vkrishn> though 2Gb will suffice
2023-12-08 20:10:07 <cristian_c> vkrishn, I'm trying to get gvfs working in file manager for days
2023-12-08 20:10:21 <vkrishn> gnome ?
2023-12-08 20:10:52 <cristian_c> lxqt, unfortunately
2023-12-08 20:11:02 <cristian_c> I've followed alpine wiki
2023-12-08 20:11:50 <cristian_c> for example: https://wiki.alpinelinux.org/wiki/LXQt#Auto-mounting_USB_drives
2023-12-08 20:12:08 <vkrishn> there here is a cheat code, https://www.adelielinux.org/download/
2023-12-08 20:12:23 <vkrishn> adelie is similar to AL
2023-12-08 20:13:01 <cristian_c> oh, gvfs-mtp was not installed, weird
2023-12-08 20:13:19 <cristian_c> btw, classic usb stick are not shown too
2023-12-08 20:13:29 <cristian_c> so, it doesn't depend on mtp
2023-12-08 20:13:50 <vkrishn> I think they have kde, lxqt, mate, xfce as downloadable/working iso
2023-12-08 20:14:32 <cristian_c> adelie seems a ready-to-use alpine
2023-12-08 20:15:14 <vkrishn> i guess
2023-12-08 20:15:21 <cristian_c> vkrishn, instead, i' had to fight with keyboard, connection, grub, elogind, clock, ...
2023-12-08 20:15:34 <cristian_c> and desktop
2023-12-08 20:15:54 <cristian_c> (as I was in debian)
2023-12-08 20:16:03 <ikke> They are separate distros
2023-12-08 20:16:08 <vkrishn> i still use knoppix 5yrs old, its now a 9GB sfs install
2023-12-08 20:16:22 <vkrishn> sfs=squashfs
2023-12-08 20:17:16 <cristian_c> at least with alpine, I possibly can use 6.6 with 32-bits cpu
2023-12-08 20:18:08 <vkrishn> i never complain about desktop here ;)
2023-12-08 20:18:47 <vkrishn> but might, soon
2023-12-08 20:21:06 <cristian_c> vkrishn, ok, gvfs-mtp at least makes pcman-fm show mtp device
2023-12-08 20:25:29 <vkrishn> 23, cd ~; lsmod > lsmod.lst # keep this for future ref
2023-12-08 20:27:37 <cristian_c> done
2023-12-08 20:31:55 <cristian_c> partitionmanager installed, btw
2023-12-08 20:32:59 <cristian_c> oddly, it's empty, no disks detected
2023-12-08 20:48:16 <vkrishn> i think any automounting of usb in linux should be avoided, try yakuake (F12) for quick shell
2023-12-08 20:50:54 <w00tang> minimal: btw thanks for the tip, that did work. the only thing i haven't found out yet is how to call only the module to setup the networking
2023-12-08 21:04:09 <cristian_c> vkrishn, I don't know why but alpine doesn't boot anymore
2023-12-08 21:05:46 <cristian_c> ok, I know why
2023-12-08 21:06:08 <cristian_c> usb stick has changed sdb to sdc
2023-12-08 21:08:06 <vkrishn> that one of the classis al issue, i think UUID has to be used , maybe in cmd line
2023-12-08 21:08:40 <cristian_c> yeah, grub uses uuidtoo
2023-12-08 21:08:45 <cristian_c> but set root= not
2023-12-08 21:09:44 <vkrishn> don't recall it, i now only use ram based installs, with some tweaks
2023-12-08 21:11:36 <cristian_c> partitionmanager still fails to list devices
2023-12-08 21:12:10 <cristian_c> I've also followed this: https://dev.alpinelinux.org/~clandmeter/other/forum.alpinelinux.org/forum/kernel-and-hardware/usb-automount.html but usb stick still doesn't show in file manager
2023-12-08 21:13:10 <cristian_c> btw, /var/log/messages shows org.kde.kpmcore.helperinterface failed: Failed to execute program
2023-12-08 21:13:32 <jonesv> Is anyone here using tomb with doas?
2023-12-08 21:13:49 <cristian_c> org.kde.kpmcore.helperinterface: No such file or directory
2023-12-08 21:46:02 <minimal> w00tang: what do you mean? is there some other cloud-init module causing a problem?
2023-12-08 21:47:12 <dari> algitbot: wtf wrong with you :D
2023-12-08 21:47:15 <w00tang> minimal: well it overwrites my ssh keys and for some reason even creates DSA keys and some other stuff
2023-12-08 21:47:48 <w00tang> even if i just do cloud-init init, not even the setup
2023-12-08 21:48:18 <minimal> host keys or user keys?
2023-12-08 21:48:36 <w00tang> host keys
2023-12-08 21:49:13 <minimal> if it is host key then that is configurable (in /etc/cloud/cloud.cfg or a file in /etc/cloud/cloud.cfg,.d/XYZ or via user-data)
2023-12-08 21:49:31 <minimal> wellt he idea is its a new host so it should have (new) host keys creatdf
2023-12-08 21:50:21 <w00tang> yeah i figured that as well, that's why i was looking for a way to only do the network part but apparently that's in the same module. haven't really dug to much into it yet
2023-12-08 21:51:19 <minimal> https://cloudinit.readthedocs.io/en/latest/reference/modules.html#ssh
2023-12-08 21:52:03 <minimal> controlled by "ssh_deletekeys" (defaults to true so it will generate new ones)
2023-12-08 22:06:47 <w00tang> stupid question but, if i leave the cfg empty, it'll only init the network?
2023-12-08 22:10:07 <w00tang> because i still don't see an explicit mentioning of network only setup and that's essentially all i really need
2023-12-08 22:14:25 <minimal> w00tang: it'll do what is defined in /etc/cloud/cloud.cfg and any additional files in cloud.cfg.d/
2023-12-08 22:15:05 <minimal> i.e. the clout_init_modules, cloud_config_modules, cloud_final_modules sections control some of what it does
2023-12-08 22:17:07 <minimal> when you created/"bought" the VPS was there not a way to provide (optional) user-data which would then be passed to cloud-init?
2023-12-08 22:20:11 <w00tang> not a lot of my customer data has, as far as i can tell, influenced the setup. maybe ssh pub key but i can't recall anything beyond that, besides the majority of the modules throw exceptions for whatever reasons
2023-12-08 22:22:35 <minimal> w00tang: should like you may not have setup cloud-init correctly (best to look at the README.Alpine in cloud-init-doc)
2023-12-08 22:23:21 <minimal> depending on your particular setup you may need to install some additional packages
2023-12-08 22:23:43 <w00tang> by default they don't even take the dns names that have been configured but an internal name (probably to fall backto asap when the machine is decommissioned)
2023-12-08 22:24:17 <w00tang> i'll definitely test some more and find out, probably not much more today but you've helped me a lot, been running around in circles for a while because of this. thanks  
2023-12-09 05:58:21 <Babba> Apachez: it is a good thing to be blamed for someone choosing Alpine :)
2023-12-09 06:43:17 <Apachez> :)
2023-12-09 07:55:45 <Babba> I actually regret not having a look at Alpine earlier
2023-12-09 08:03:48 <vkrishn> Babba: having a petal-pluck moment with al (love it, hate it), pluck more
2023-12-09 08:07:14 <vkrishn> al([1|0]) < pluck >2&1
2023-12-09 08:23:40 <Babba> New concept to me, what is pluck or petal-pluck refering to?
2023-12-09 08:27:53 <vkrishn> https://tpaste.us/z5zW - super isn;t it
2023-12-09 08:28:43 <quinq> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/He_loves_me..._he_loves_me_not
2023-12-09 08:29:57 <vkrishn> and i thought i am only one that watches these movies
2023-12-09 08:30:30 <vkrishn> thankx
2023-12-09 08:30:43 <quinq> What movies?
2023-12-09 08:31:05 <vkrishn> lol, don't recall
2023-12-09 08:31:10 <quinq> hu
2023-12-09 08:31:20 <quinq> There's no movie involved, that's a cultural thing
2023-12-09 08:32:20 <vkrishn> really, only seen in movies/serials
2023-12-09 08:34:54 <vkrishn> oh there are cartoons too, see right bottom of wiki page
2023-12-09 08:51:38 <vkrishn> I think, AI nicks on irc should have ai|bot prefix|suffix, else developers instating it should bear responsibility arising if any
2023-12-09 09:43:06 <quinq> algitbot, has “bot” in its name
2023-12-09 10:41:16 <telmich> cristian_c: if wpa_cli says "Could not connect to wpa_supplicant", did you check whether a) wpa_supplicant is running and b) you have permission to talk to it?
2023-12-09 10:46:39 <nabba> test
2023-12-09 11:11:58 <frag> is there a good text to speech application in repo? the tech on linux seems to have been the same for decades?
2023-12-09 11:25:21 <Babba> order restored
2023-12-09 12:45:43 <Mangvakor> hello, can I get to access hidden resources from an apache tomcat server? I got the link
2023-12-09 13:14:49 <cristian_c> telmich, a) wpa_supplicant was running and b) what do you mean, exactly?
2023-12-09 13:20:32 <quinq> That you have sufficient credentials for accessing wpa_supplicant command socket (usually /var/run/wpa_supplicant/wlan0)
2023-12-09 13:32:57 <telmich> A hint: my confg for wpa_supplicant contains: ctrl_interface=DIR=/var/run/wpa_supplicant GROUP=wheel and i can for instance only access it with wpa_cli as root, because I am not in the wheel group
2023-12-09 13:43:55 <Justin[m]> Does Alpine not have TTYs setup? I installed KDE Plasma but I forgot to add a user and now I can't login. SDDM won't accept any input. I see the username and password input fields but it won't accept any input.
2023-12-09 13:44:27 <Justin[m]> So I tried to go to TTY to add a user but it won't accept the keyboard sequence being sent by GNOME Boxes which I'm running it in.
2023-12-09 13:49:01 <quinq> Justin[m], you could boot single for fixing that
2023-12-09 13:51:21 <Justin[m]> Yeah I guess I'll have to. I was hoping not to need to.
2023-12-09 13:54:52 <vkrishn> Justin[m]: ctrl+alt+F1 # is not available ?
2023-12-09 13:55:19 <Justin[m]> vkrishn: I sent the command using GNOME Boxes but it did nothing. 
2023-12-09 13:55:41 <vkrishn> oh! it a vm
2023-12-09 13:56:10 <Justin[m]> Yes, but I've had success with other VMs sending Ctrl Alt Fx in the past.
2023-12-09 13:56:29 <vkrishn> ok
2023-12-09 13:58:59 <Justin[m]> I found this but I can't get the root fs mounted https://blog.henrici.name/blog/2021-01-26/
2023-12-09 13:59:07 <Justin[m]> Might tinker further tomorrow, too tired now.
2023-12-09 15:02:25 <Soni> what's a fun matrix homeserver
2023-12-09 15:09:10 <cristian_c> <telmich> A hint: my confg for wpa_supplicant contains: ctrl_interface=DIR=/var/run/wpa_supplicant GROUP=wheel and i can for instance only access it with wpa_cli as root, because I am not in the wheel group  <- wpa_supplicant.conf?
2023-12-09 16:40:09 <TangentDelta> I have an Espressobin V7 aarch64 SBC that I'm running Alpine on, with an updated version of U-Boot from 2022 that someone in the Armbian community built. 
2023-12-09 16:42:12 <TangentDelta> U-Boot loads the GRUB EFI binary out of the EFI boot partition and runs it. GRUB runs, and lets me boot Alpine. The first time I try to boot it, it fails with some sort of efi_free_pages error. The second time I boot it it works and boots up just fine.
2023-12-09 16:42:57 <TangentDelta> When it fails, I have to manually press enter to tell GRUB to try booting again. It doesn't start another countdown.
2023-12-09 17:07:30 <kit_ty_kate> is there any way to list all the currently pinned packages with apk?
2023-12-09 17:11:27 <lopid> can packages be pinned?
2023-12-09 17:13:34 <kit_ty_kate> yes https://wiki.alpinelinux.org/wiki/Alpine_Package_Keeper#Repository_pinning
2023-12-09 17:20:49 <ikke> grep -E '[=><~]
2023-12-09 17:20:55 <ikke> grep -E '[=><~]' /etc/apk/world
2023-12-09 17:25:26 <kit_ty_kate> ikke: thanks! I totally forgot about this file
2023-12-09 17:25:45 <kit_ty_kate> grep @ /etc/apk/world worked for me
2023-12-09 17:36:46 <ikke> ah repo pinning, not version pinning
2023-12-09 17:51:30 <vkrishn> AL has nice support for RPI, someone should write wiki how to create nice packed wifi-extender with misc running servers
2023-12-09 17:51:54 <vkrishn> should be useful for professionals journalist on critical field duty
2023-12-09 19:27:40 <herkulessi> Can anybody help with ifupdown-ng? I am trying to set the bridge interfaces mac address, but no matter where I try to put the bridge-hw line I just get a random mac address...
2023-12-09 19:55:27 <iggy> herkulessi: for bridges, I've always had to resort to doing most of the config via pre-up/up/post-up
2023-12-09 19:56:05 <dari> herkulessi: do you have package "bridge" installed?
2023-12-09 19:56:21 <herkulessi> I don't think I do, let me check
2023-12-09 20:00:14 <herkulessi> dari: I have both bridge and bridge-utils installed. Ifupdown does create a bridge, I just can't seem to set the mac address
2023-12-09 20:01:38 <dari> herkulessi: paste your /etc/network/interfaces if you can
2023-12-09 20:03:17 <herkulessi> https://paste.xyz/?c65e6b1e74709b7f#CqDSbCgChwcw6j5wB8BJA2yrdvZmDxNoWYsa6FSsaZdL
2023-12-09 20:03:57 <herkulessi> It contains mulltiple bridge-hw s but I tried every constellation where to put it and none worked
2023-12-09 20:05:28 <dari> herkulessi: and what mac it got? the one from eth0?
2023-12-09 20:05:54 <herkulessi> A random one. Currently it is 36:97:87:c6:9b:d8
2023-12-09 20:06:08 <herkulessi> the eth0 is a different one
2023-12-09 20:07:52 <dari> could you try put "hwaddress xx:xx:xx:xx:xx:xx" line somewhere there?
2023-12-09 20:12:40 <herkulessi> YES! That did it! Thank you VERY much
2023-12-09 20:14:53 <dari> is weird why bridge-hw not working
2023-12-09 21:52:36 <TangentDelta> This feels like such a nasty work-around, but now the board boots consistently after I added "set fallback='0>0'" in /etc/grub.d/40_custom
2023-12-09 21:52:59 <TangentDelta> GRUB will just fail to boot the first time, try again, and succeed.
2023-12-09 21:57:13 <minimal> well it could be a Grub issue or it could be a U-Boot issue...
2023-12-09 21:58:13 <TangentDelta> Yeah
2023-12-09 21:58:28 <TangentDelta> I'm not really sure what to do to troubleshoot it further :\
2023-12-09 21:59:23 <minimal> look at the upstream Grub's git master changes since 2.06 came out for something relating to efi_free_pages?
2023-12-09 21:59:40 <minimal> though there have been a LOT of changes to Grub since then...
2023-12-09 22:00:27 <TangentDelta> U-Boot returns an error when GRUB calls the "FreePages" service attempting to free 0x2500 pages of memory starting at address 0x00000000
2023-12-10 01:04:19 <uuidNuniq> TangentDelta: why do you load grub via u-boot?
2023-12-10 01:04:29 <uuidNuniq> u-boot itself can load kernel from extlinux.conf
2023-12-10 01:24:24 <ahmadraniri[m]> Hello, I need uinput module kernel and need to build it my self (since alpine doesn't enable it by default). I use this (https://gitlab.com/lidgnulinux/uinput_alpine). Is there any service I can make to automate the module building every time the kernel upgrade ?
2023-12-10 01:32:12 <TangentDelta> uuidNuniq: I didn't think to change bootloaders. That appears to be a much better solution. I'll investigate it.
2023-12-10 06:20:59 <qaqland> how can I get apk file? I have installed the package in my system and it has been removed from aports
2023-12-10 06:22:32 <ikke> ahmadraniri[m]: akms 
2023-12-10 07:22:57 <cristian_c> hi
2023-12-10 07:23:54 <cristian_c> I don't understand why file manager doesn't show flash drives (and not only those ones) even if gvfs and udisks2 are installed
2023-12-10 07:27:23 <cristian_c> also, if I run partitionmanager, I get no partitions and the following messages are displayed in command line output: QDBusError("org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.Spawn.ExecFailed", "Failed to execute program org.kde.kpmcore.helperinterface: No such file or directory")
2023-12-10 07:27:30 <cristian_c> Scan finished
2023-12-10 07:27:39 <cristian_c> Any ideas?
2023-12-10 08:00:44 <matthias11> I just stumbled upon https://lore.kernel.org/stable/20231205122122.dfhhoaswsfscuhc3@quack3/ (6.1.64&6.1.65 ext4 corruption);  does this affect the Alpine 6.1.64-kernel also? (I only find references to debian when searching, so I'm wondering if I should check the consistency of my alpine ext4 based installation)
2023-12-10 08:02:38 <heat> probably, unless it was patched out
2023-12-10 08:04:07 <ikke> heat: don't think it has
2023-12-10 08:05:32 <heat> fwiw this is a pretty specific bug that shouldn't affect many people apart from databases and anyone else doing direct IO
2023-12-10 08:31:01 <matthias11> I was running mysql (nextcloud&forgejo) on my rpi4 with alpine, so...
2023-12-10 08:31:45 <matthias11> well upgraded to 3.19 now
2023-12-10 08:32:40 <matthias11> both still seem to work, so I might sleep well
2023-12-10 08:37:27 <matthias11> hopefully the DB is able to handle corrupted data ;-)
2023-12-10 09:09:15 <andym48[m]> <cristian_c> "also, if I run partitionmanager,..." <- Why are you trying to use so many KDE programmes when you are using LXQT? Have you tried parted?
2023-12-10 09:30:13 <cristian_c> andym48[m], have you read my previous message?
2023-12-10 09:32:53 <cristian_c> <cristian_c>	andym48[m], https://manual.lubuntu.me/stable/2/2.1/2.1.4/bluedevil.html
2023-12-10 09:33:16 <cristian_c> <cristian_c>	"Bluedevil is the default application to manage Bluetooth devices for Lubuntu."
2023-12-10 09:33:56 <cristian_c> andym48[m], also, https://manual.lubuntu.me/stable/3/3.1/3.1.6/kde_partitionmanager.html
2023-12-10 09:34:29 <cristian_c> andym48[m], finally, do you mean gparted?
2023-12-10 10:29:19 <andym48[m]> <cristian_c> "andym48, finally, do you mean..." <- Gparted is the graphical front end for parted. Ubuntu is ubuntu, Alpine is alpine 😁
2023-12-10 10:55:45 <cristian_c> andym48[m], I mean, lubuntu lxqt has bluedevil and partitionmanager installed by default (why they are written in QT?)
2023-12-10 10:56:19 <cristian_c> *because of they are written with QT?)
2023-12-10 14:01:54 <lopid> in 3.19, the sshguard service starts and fails, complaining about /run/sshguard.pid already existing. it didn't exist before starting the service (and doesn't exist after the attempts to start it finish). sshguard itself starts ok manually
2023-12-10 15:26:17 <janLentan> has anyone else also encountered weird screendraw issues after upgrading to 3.19?
2023-12-10 15:27:04 <janLentan> on one of my machines, areas of the screen that get redrawn sometimes get glitchy 8x8 squares drawn on them for a frame, and on another, it seems like sometimes the buffer keeps flipping between one frame and another
2023-12-10 15:27:12 <janLentan> both use amdgpu
2023-12-10 15:28:08 <boombim[m]> Hello. Do you guys know how to use it with alpine?
2023-12-10 15:28:08 <boombim[m]> https://github.com/chimera-linux/turnstile
2023-12-10 15:30:57 <scorpion2185[m]> are you using dinit?
2023-12-10 15:53:05 <boombim[m]> I would like to use it for my user services
2023-12-10 16:15:14 <scorpion2185[m]> boombim you can add... (full message at <https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/v3/download/matrix.org/DrbEhVjEoneJVhuHZBiBAuFE>)
2023-12-10 16:16:10 <scorpion2185[m]> or packaged that and try it.
2023-12-10 16:16:10 <scorpion2185[m]> i know that it has some issues with some services if you turnstiled but if launch it manually always works
2023-12-10 16:18:30 <scorpion2185[m]> * if you use turnstiled but, * but if you launch it
2023-12-10 16:39:44 <boombim[m]> @scorpion2185 but it is packed 
2023-12-10 16:40:13 <boombim[m]> https://pkgs.alpinelinux.org/package/edge/testing/x86_64/turnstile
2023-12-10 17:18:35 <scorpion2185[m]> boombim install the openrc service and enable it
2023-12-10 17:19:12 <scorpion2185[m]> nice so sertonix did it
2023-12-10 17:40:02 <janLentan> upd: seems like the draw glitches happen only on GNOME, i don't see them in sway
2023-12-10 17:57:16 <boombim[m]> <scorpion2185[m]> "nice so sertonix did it" <- I did it but it doesn't work
2023-12-10 17:57:29 <boombim[m]> Doesn't set xdg runtime dir
2023-12-10 17:58:21 <scorpion2185[m]> mkdir /tmp/$(id -u)-runtime-dir &
2023-12-10 17:58:21 <scorpion2185[m]> chmod 0700 /tmp/$(id -u)-runtime-dir &
2023-12-10 17:58:21 <scorpion2185[m]> export XDG_RUNTIME_DIR=/tmp/$(id -u)-runtime-dir
2023-12-10 18:05:04 <sertonix[m]> I didn't had time to test the dinit package so there might be some issues
2023-12-10 18:17:46 <boombim[m]> It would be super cool to have some receipt of dinit + turnstile to create user services
2023-12-10 18:18:12 <boombim[m]> @sertonix may add some chapter to wiki please?
2023-12-10 18:23:14 <sertonix[m]> There is a lot of init related stuff to add to the wiki. I will try to keep that in mind
2023-12-10 18:26:46 <boombim[m]> Yes please. Thanks.
2023-12-10 19:11:05 <soupfor2days> Hi, I'm interested in alpine and I would like to install it on my chromebook. I flashed the latest standard x86_64 iso on a usb, booted the computer, and received an error message stating that the "mounting boot media failed, initramfs emergency recovery shell launched...". I checked the alpine wiki on the page about creating a bootable device and it mentions that i may have an incorrect device name. How would could I fix 
2023-12-10 19:11:05 <soupfor2days> this to make alpine linux bootable?
2023-12-10 19:14:51 <lnl> check if https://wiki.postmarketos.org/ has a page about your model
2023-12-10 19:16:04 <lnl> ah wait, x86_64, that's just a generic one
2023-12-10 19:18:22 <scorpion2185[m]> i'd use ventoy
2023-12-10 19:24:52 <soupfor2days> thank you for your help, im curious on how using ventoy would solve the problem, im not very familiar with it
2023-12-10 19:44:03 <feuerteufel> hey, Im looking for a hint to tell my Xen VM (Alpine 3.19.0) to mount the root and the boot Part "RW" at boottime. It did before upgrading to 3.19.0. I'm able to do all the work by hand Mount and start all the services (Hopefully I found them all)
2023-12-10 19:45:27 <minimal> have you compared the /etc/fstab contents between old and new versions?
2023-12-10 19:46:00 <minimal> also is this run-from-RAM or run-from-disk (Sys mode)?
2023-12-10 19:46:48 <feuerteufel> As far I know, there is nothing changed
2023-12-10 19:46:58 <feuerteufel> Sys mode
2023-12-10 19:49:51 <feuerteufel> As far I Found out, it looks like this ist the Prob "can't run '/sbin/rc': No such file or directory" what I think is that reasoned by the ro mount
2023-12-10 19:50:26 <minimal> ah, yes the most recent OpenRC software version removed /sbin/rc as nothing should have used that for many years...
2023-12-10 19:50:48 <minimal> when was this system originally installed?
2023-12-10 19:51:44 <minimal> https://github.com/OpenRC/openrc/commit/65b13eb86faba812aaef94623b84dfc3bdeca6c7
2023-12-10 19:51:53 <feuerteufel> Oh, I forgot, A "Mount -a" works for the /boot and a "mount -n -o remount,rw /" works for the root
2023-12-10 19:52:33 <minimal> "rc was deprecated in 2016"
2023-12-10 19:52:34 <feuerteufel> Oh let me see ... Long time ago
2023-12-10 19:53:05 <minimal> which version of Alpine did you upgrade *FROM* ?
2023-12-10 19:54:03 <feuerteufel> # http://mirror.leaseweb.com/alpine/v3.4/main <--- Thats the first one in the repositories
2023-12-10 19:54:07 <frag> is it (really) bad to run as root as default? compared to doas user with nopass?
2023-12-10 19:55:03 <minimal> feuerteufel: which version of Alpine did you upgrade *FROM* to 3.19.0?
2023-12-10 19:55:21 <feuerteufel> And I came trom the last 3.18
2023-12-10 19:55:41 <feuerteufel> *from*
2023-12-10 19:55:51 <minimal> and did you upgrade correctly each time (i.e. "apk -Ua upgrade" after editing /etc/apk/repositories) ?
2023-12-10 19:56:01 <omni> as I understood (or misunderstood) it, had you installed alpine before 3.16 (or something?) you could have /sbin/rc in your inittab even though you had went through upgrades of in-between releases
2023-12-10 19:57:09 <omni> and that's why we mentioned it in the release notes
2023-12-10 19:58:29 <feuerteufel> Ok I make updates "First apk update and then apk upgrade -a" ist that way not Ok?
2023-12-10 19:59:24 <feuerteufel> I Normaly dit all the Updates between
2023-12-10 19:59:45 <omni> it is (-a being shorthand for --available)
2023-12-10 20:00:08 <minimal> feuerteufel: "apk update" is equivalent to running "apk -U upgrade" - I was checking that you'd specified "-a" / "--available" for the "apk upgrade" as it is important (and so mentioned in Release Notes yet people sometimes don';t do it)
2023-12-10 20:00:15 <soupfor2days> Hi scorpion2185[m] I wanted to say thanks. I installed ventoy on my usb, and Im not really sure how but everything works perfectly now and I can use alpine linux. Once again thank you so much, you are an absolute lifesaver.
2023-12-10 20:01:07 <minimal> feuerteufel: as omni pointed out, in the Alpine 3.19.0 Release Notes that is a specific note for your openrc situation that you obviously didn't see
2023-12-10 20:01:23 <omni> there may sometimes be things that you need to pay attention to, that we try to cover in the release notes, that can require manual changes between upgrades
2023-12-10 20:02:18 <omni> there can also be .apk-new files in your /etc worth checkin' out
2023-12-10 20:03:15 <feuerteufel> So is there a way for me to get out of this?
2023-12-10 20:04:10 <minimal> feuerteufel: is the Release Note unclear?
2023-12-10 20:04:47 <feuerteufel> Im Looking for it just a sec
2023-12-10 20:05:20 <minimal> so you didn't look at it earlier when it was mentioned to document this exactly situation?
2023-12-10 20:07:47 <feuerteufel> No, I didn't see that, sorry
2023-12-10 20:08:26 <feuerteufel> So that mean tha ei have ro rebuild the inittab?
2023-12-10 20:09:57 <feuerteufel> But I'm wondering, i Upgrade a other VM and I didn't had a problem
2023-12-10 20:12:13 <omni> I think you need to edit the file /etc/inittab and change all the occurances of /sbin/rc with /sbin/openrc
2023-12-10 20:14:50 <feuerteufel> I think thats on 4 places
2023-12-10 20:15:13 <feuerteufel> But How do I make a new one
2023-12-10 20:17:26 <omni> a new what?
2023-12-10 20:17:58 <feuerteufel> A new inittab?
2023-12-10 20:19:32 <omni> it's a file, you change it's contents with your editor of choice
2023-12-10 20:19:48 <omni> it doesn't need to be new, just modified
2023-12-10 20:19:48 <feuerteufel> And thats it?
2023-12-10 20:19:54 <omni> should be
2023-12-10 20:20:05 <feuerteufel> I'll try
2023-12-10 20:20:47 <omni> maybe you're conflating inittab with initramfs?
2023-12-10 20:23:18 <feuerteufel> May be ...
2023-12-10 20:23:26 <feuerteufel> Now I Reboot
2023-12-10 20:24:59 <feuerteufel> YSMD!
2023-12-10 20:25:12 <feuerteufel> Thanks @ all
2023-12-10 20:25:24 <feuerteufel> It looks like it works
2023-12-10 20:26:19 <omni> 👍
2023-12-10 20:29:20 <feuerteufel> In that VM it works, the changes are already in
2023-12-10 20:31:33 <dari> I think in release notes after "apk upgrade --available" should be "update-conf -a -l"
2023-12-10 20:33:00 <dari> wondering how many people got more than 20 with: update-conf -a -l | wc -l
2023-12-10 20:33:02 <dari> :P
2023-12-10 20:33:10 <feuerteufel> I'm writing that in my Better to Know List ... all of that
2023-12-10 20:34:17 <feuerteufel> I have exaktly 20
2023-12-10 20:34:47 <dari> :>
2023-12-10 20:36:27 <feuerteufel> Do I have to do something?
2023-12-10 20:36:52 <dari> many can zap, but also some of them should check and compare
2023-12-10 20:37:07 <ikke> And if you have vimdiff installed, you can ask it to run a vimdiff
2023-12-10 20:55:00 <vkrishn> hmm, managed to set al on a mobile with 2 wifis for my nephew, to limit net access, routings are still incomplete, but think it should work
2023-12-10 20:55:42 <vkrishn> its has ap0 and wlan0 (wiPhys)
2023-12-10 23:29:54 <vkrishn> installing basic lxqt goes well, except XDG related ENV vars are still not ok
2023-12-10 23:30:14 <vkrishn> notice something in dmesg, https://tpaste.us/XyPE
2023-12-10 23:30:35 <vkrishn> even libreoffice, mpv install ok
2023-12-10 23:30:55 <vkrishn> icons sets are missing, don't know which yet
2023-12-10 23:32:59 <dari> don't even bother yourself with those acpi warnings
2023-12-10 23:33:06 <vkrishn> ok
2023-12-10 23:35:59 <vkrishn> login, logout, ok. someone just needs to write a basic wrapper-config pkgs
2023-12-10 23:46:19 <vkrishn> nice to see, both lightdm and sddm creates logs in /var/log
2023-12-11 00:01:04 <vkrishn> video ok, audio yet to figure out
2023-12-11 00:23:57 <vkrishn> alsactl, alsmixer -c 1, ok. video+sound with mpv ok
2023-12-11 00:24:21 <vkrishn> ISSUE, cpu usage higher, cpu heating
2023-12-11 00:24:37 <vkrishn> but, seems basic setup is done, just tweaking needed
2023-12-11 00:26:24 <vkrishn> will try pipewire, other, wayland ... etc, but not now
2023-12-11 00:29:32 <vkrishn> in sort,  try any desktop linux for atleast 6months, before jumping to AL
2023-12-11 00:32:52 <vkrishn> its RAM install, du -csh /usr = 1.6Gb
2023-12-11 00:47:02 <vkrishn> install+configure time - 30min to 3hrs
2023-12-11 00:47:30 <vkrishn> wow, office does open fast
2023-12-11 01:01:21 <vkrishn> youtube in firefox all ok, surprisinginly cpu usage is little less than usual
2023-12-11 01:09:49 <vkrishn> ISSUE2, howto shutdown/poweroff from sddm 
2023-12-11 08:32:54 <Saijin_Naib[m]> Hehe, let me know if you find out. Same issue with lightdm. Guessing sddm needs to be in wheel group
2023-12-11 09:31:45 <tankf33der> hi all
2023-12-11 09:33:08 <tankf33der> my many years tor and torify machine is broken somehow after upgrade to latest alpine 3.1.19, tor or curl
2023-12-11 09:34:03 <lopid> 3.1.19 would be old
2023-12-11 09:35:07 <tankf33der> sorry - 3.19
2023-12-11 09:35:28 <tankf33der> alpine:~ $ torify curl ix.io
2023-12-11 09:35:37 <tankf33der> curl: (6) Could not resolve host: ix.io
2023-12-11 09:35:43 <quinq> ix.io doesn't exist anymore
2023-12-11 09:36:22 <lopid> surely you didn't test with only one domain?
2023-12-11 09:36:38 <tankf33der> torify curl git.envs.net 
2023-12-11 09:36:39 <tankf33der> the same
2023-12-11 09:36:57 <lopid> is all dns not working?
2023-12-11 09:37:21 <tankf33der> at the same time ssh <user>@envs.net - works!
2023-12-11 09:37:58 <lopid> torify curl envs.net?
2023-12-11 09:38:10 <tankf33der> alpine:~/tankf33der/rings $ torify curl envs.net
2023-12-11 09:38:10 <tankf33der> curl: (6) Could not resolve host: envs.net
2023-12-11 09:38:25 <lopid> does torify do its own dns lookup?
2023-12-11 09:38:35 <tankf33der> should always before
2023-12-11 09:38:53 <tankf33der> all worked prev. week or so
2023-12-11 09:39:03 <lopid> so it's just tor/torify that's broken?
2023-12-11 09:39:19 <tankf33der> does anyone use it?
2023-12-11 09:39:22 <tankf33der> can repeat?
2023-12-11 09:39:34 <tankf33der> i will switch to pb1n.de
2023-12-11 09:39:41 <tankf33der> from ix.io
2023-12-11 11:17:22 <macol> Hi, I am trying to install Alpine Linux on Raspberry PI 5. I have encountered some problems and would be greatful for some help. I am setting up the system and have succesfully launched the installation media in headless mode and then run 'setup-alpine'. I have installed the sysmode. After setup, however, the system installed on the SD card would not boot (Raspberry hangs throttling the cooling fan to 
2023-12-11 11:17:28 <macol> its maximum speed). I have attempted the procedure twice and had no success so far. I have never used Alpine on an embedded system before (only on a VM or Docker) so I may be commiting a basic mistake. Thanks in advance.
2023-12-11 11:19:34 <lopid> what's the last thing shown?
2023-12-11 11:20:18 <macol> The setup script advices me to reboot the system saying the installation was successful.
2023-12-11 11:45:09 <macol> Also, expanding on my issue, I used the latest aarch64 build for Raspberry PI (.tar.gz, not .img) and have both attempted installing from an SD card and from a USB Pendrive. Again, I am running the Raspberry headless and have no micro-HDMI cable to connect to see the display.
2023-12-11 13:31:57 <macol> Is anyone here able to help with installation of Alpine on Raspberry PI 5?
2023-12-11 14:35:24 <invoked> probably, but you'll need to be patient.
2023-12-11 14:42:15 <cristian_c> hi
2023-12-11 14:44:43 <cristian_c> I don't understand why file manager doesn't show flash drives (and not only those ones) even if gvfs and udisks2 are installed
2023-12-11 14:46:42 <cristian_c> also, if I run partitionmanager, I get no partitions and the following messages are displayed in command line output: QDBusError("org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.Spawn.ExecFailed", "Failed to execute program org.kde.kpmcore.helperinterface: No such file or directory"). Scan finished
2023-12-11 14:47:02 <cristian_c> any ideas?
2023-12-11 14:51:56 <invoked> i don't run that stuff but it looks like you're missing something.
2023-12-11 14:56:51 <cristian_c> invoked, I've followed https://wiki.alpinelinux.org/wiki/LXQt
2023-12-11 15:08:51 <invoked> yeah, i'm not going to read that, but "No such file or directory" means you're missing something.  try running 'apk fix'
2023-12-11 15:12:12 <dari> cristian_c: did you enable "polkit" service?
2023-12-11 15:12:25 <cristian_c> invoked, I've tried apk fix to some packages with no results
2023-12-11 15:12:35 <cristian_c> dari, yeah
2023-12-11 15:23:32 <cristian_c> has anyone any other ideas?
2023-12-11 15:26:01 <invoked> uh, you have kpmcore installed?
2023-12-11 15:26:39 <invoked> it's right there in the error message.
2023-12-11 15:26:39 <cristian_c> I try to see by apk search/info
2023-12-11 15:26:52 <invoked> you need to read your error messages instead of just pasting them somewhere for help
2023-12-11 15:27:17 <cristian_c> I've read that but I've not found information about that
2023-12-11 15:28:00 <cristian_c> ok, a package named kpmcore exists
2023-12-11 15:28:06 <invoked> uh huh.
2023-12-11 15:28:29 <cristian_c> I didn't know it was a dependency
2023-12-11 15:29:03 <invoked> well i told you at the beginning you were missing something
2023-12-11 15:29:07 <invoked> it's literally complaining about that
2023-12-11 15:29:18 <invoked> all i did was look at the error message you pasted. nothing else
2023-12-11 15:29:28 <cristian_c> invoked, it seems it was already installed, so nothing to do
2023-12-11 15:29:55 <invoked> you could try deleting the package and adding it again.
2023-12-11 15:30:09 <invoked> kpmcore may have its own optional dependencies.
2023-12-11 15:31:31 <cristian_c> yeah, I've done that
2023-12-11 15:31:53 <cristian_c> as I said, that error message still appears
2023-12-11 15:37:15 <invoked> next step would be to figure out if there's anything optional you're missing for that operation, and if it's not in the repo you can look for bugs related to that here: https://gitlab.alpinelinux.org/alpine/aports/-/issues
2023-12-11 15:37:29 <invoked> if not you can file a bug yourself
2023-12-11 15:47:14 <cristian_c> here: https://git.alpinelinux.org/aports/tree/community/partitionmanager/APKBUILD and here: https://git.alpinelinux.org/aports/tree/community/kpmcore/APKBUILD  , no clues
2023-12-11 15:49:55 <cristian_c> I try to check e2fsprogs
2023-12-11 15:51:14 <invoked> PureTryOut is here, maybe they'll jump in
2023-12-11 15:52:58 <PureTryOut> make sure dbus is running
2023-12-11 15:54:28 <invoked> yeah i didn't even read the error message completely. :)
2023-12-11 15:59:26 <cristian_c> yeah, it's running
2023-12-11 16:02:46 <cristian_c> the one existing issue about partitionmanager has been reported a year ago and it's currently stalled: https://gitlab.alpinelinux.org/alpine/aports/-/issues/13837
2023-12-11 16:04:02 <cristian_c> (btw, that issue it's pretty much different compared to what I'm experiencing: in that case, devices are listed, in my case they are not)
2023-12-11 16:05:56 <cristian_c> invoked, I know error message is about kpmcore but I can't explain why, since kpmcore lib it's installed)
2023-12-11 16:18:22 <invoked> i use different stuff, so i'm at the limit of what i can suggest.
2023-12-11 16:23:47 <cristian_c> invoked, so, that said, is still an option to file a bug?
2023-12-11 16:29:25 <invoked> sure
2023-12-11 16:53:37 <andym48[m]> <cristian_c> "invoked, so, that said, is still..." <- If you insist on using kde apps I would suggest uninstalling lxqt and installing kde. If not then use the non kde app, parted, as previously suggested.
2023-12-11 16:53:37 <andym48[m]> And...
2023-12-11 16:53:37 <andym48[m]> If you insist on following the ubuntu wikis then uninstall alpine and install ubuntu.
2023-12-11 17:07:48 <cristian_c> andym48[m], I've already filled a bug against blueman
2023-12-11 17:08:45 <cristian_c> andym48[m], btw, I'm following alpine wiki, not ubuntu wiki
2023-12-11 17:41:04 <andym48[m]> <cristian_c> "andym48, I've already filled a..." <- What bug? Blueman works fine as far as I know
2023-12-11 17:54:36 <andym48[m]> <cristian_c> "andym48, btw, I'm following..." <- "Bluedevil is the default application to manage Bluetooth devices for Lubuntu."?
2023-12-11 20:27:14 <cristian_c> <andym48[m]> What bug? Blueman works fine as far as I know <- are you sure you've read my previous messages about blueman?
2023-12-11 20:27:41 <cristian_c> <andym48[m]> <cristian_c> "andym48, btw, I'm following..." <- "Bluedevil is the default application to manage Bluetooth devices for Lubuntu."?
2023-12-11 20:27:46 <cristian_c> andym48[m], ?
2023-12-11 20:42:46 <LACampbell> is it perfectly normal to have to "#define _GNU_SOURCE" when writing C programs in alpine linux? seems odd to need that macro when using musl but that's what the man page says
2023-12-11 20:43:11 <ikke> LACampbell: probably better to ask in #musl on libera.chat
2023-12-11 20:52:46 <LACampbell> good point
2023-12-11 22:09:45 <WhyNotHugo> logbookd actually seems like a good fit for Alpine: https://blog.brixit.nl/looking-closer-at-the-syslog/
2023-12-11 22:12:29 <WhyNotHugo> I see that it is already in community :)
2023-12-11 22:14:42 <heat> LACampbell, yes, it's normal
2023-12-11 23:31:06 <nazar-pc[m]> Hi folks, I upgraded Alpine Linux to latest stable version and this time Docker broke for me.... (full message at <https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/v3/download/matrix.org/yOdSezwGMyvnSCVnwxhFxIWd>)
2023-12-11 23:33:15 <nazar-pc[m]> Okay, I removed resources from container and it does start now. Something appears to be broken otherwise.
2023-12-11 23:35:34 <nazar-pc[m]> https://gitlab.alpinelinux.org/alpine/aports/-/issues/15570
2023-12-11 23:48:37 <buinb> halp
2023-12-11 23:49:11 <buinb> I rebooted my laptop half an hour ago, and grub boot is suddenly broken
2023-12-11 23:49:24 <buinb> That with a separa
2023-12-11 23:49:36 <buinb> te zpool for the /boot
2023-12-11 23:50:10 <buinb> My configuration hasn't changed
2023-12-11 23:50:30 <buinb> I'm being throwned into grub rescue shell
2023-12-11 23:51:08 <buinb> Error is "compression algorihtm inherit not supported"
2023-12-11 23:51:47 <buinb> The pool si lz4-compressed, but that never prevented grub from booting from it before
2023-12-11 23:52:28 <buinb> Do you know if there's a sane ifx?
2023-12-11 23:52:30 <buinb> fix
2023-12-11 23:58:58 <omni> it's an odd error message
2023-12-12 00:00:15 <buinb> yes
2023-12-12 00:00:33 <aquamo4k> buinb: try booting from a usb stick, look in your /boot, check and make sure initramfs was updated with the kernel (timestamps)
2023-12-12 00:00:45 <aquamo4k> buinb: if not, mkinitfs might have failed 
2023-12-12 00:01:01 <aquamo4k> from usb stick boot, I did this:
2023-12-12 00:01:03 <buinb> That's even before loading the initrd
2023-12-12 00:01:26 <buinb> It can't even open thegrub partition
2023-12-12 00:01:44 <aquamo4k> buinb: ok.   nevermind.  I also had problem temporarily in my split / zfs config but grub still worked
2023-12-12 00:01:59 <aquamo4k> maybe still boot with stick, fix grub then
2023-12-12 00:02:09 <buinb> But thanks anyway :)
2023-12-12 00:02:32 <buinb> yes jaja, that's my question fix how
2023-12-12 00:03:27 <aquamo4k> oh I see ... my config has ext4 /boot and rest of system on a zpool, you have /boot on zfs ... hmmm yeah
2023-12-12 00:05:50 <aquamo4k> sorry i didn't read the err you reported first lol
2023-12-12 00:06:08 <buinb> no prob :)
2023-12-12 00:07:12 <omni> when I search for the error message (without the typo) I get a lot of hits from people using grub and zfs
2023-12-12 00:07:34 <omni> and what I skim through hint at it being a grub issue
2023-12-12 00:08:40 <buinb> well, the only thing that changed here is the kernel, and zfs version
2023-12-12 00:09:04 <buinb> though that shouldn't affect grub
2023-12-12 00:09:25 <aquamo4k> it sounds like the bootloader is unable to load the compressed bootblocks because it's missing the lz4... version you need
2023-12-12 00:09:59 <aquamo4k> it's like grub didn't get updated with the zfs code when the kernel was updated maybe idk
2023-12-12 00:10:25 <omni> buinb: zfs version from what to what?
2023-12-12 00:10:54 <buinb> I was looking for it, isn't there an apk log?
2023-12-12 00:12:10 <aquamo4k> on freebsd, i also have to remember to manually update the bootblocks *and* the kernel/zfs modules after a pool is updated.  you probably didn't run 'zpool upgrade' though
2023-12-12 00:13:20 <buinb> I didn't indeed
2023-12-12 00:13:55 <aquamo4k> zfs was recently updated to v2.2.2 ; im on 2.2.2-r0 but there might be a fresher one now
2023-12-12 00:15:00 <omni> buinb: do you cache packages? if so you could list /etc/apk/cache
2023-12-12 00:16:19 <omni> both edge and 3.19-stable are on 2.2.2-r0
2023-12-12 00:17:29 <buinb> Then that, 2.2.2-r0, but I don't know from which version
2023-12-12 00:17:35 <omni> are you on edge or did you go from 3.18-stable to 3.19-stable?
2023-12-12 00:20:19 <omni> this looks similar https://github.com/openzfs/zfs/issues/15261
2023-12-12 00:20:49 <dari> aquamo4k: after "apk update" does "apk version" print some packages?
2023-12-12 00:21:51 <buinb> omni, on edge
2023-12-12 00:25:02 <buinb> I recreated the bpool, let's see.
2023-12-12 00:27:17 <quinq> Yeah, it worked
2023-12-12 00:27:20 <quinq> But pfff
2023-12-12 00:27:26 <quinq> Just lost 2h
2023-12-12 00:32:07 <aquamo4k> dari: yes, for me yes.  I'm a few days behind right now; i'm missing kernel 6.6.5-r2 (currently on 6.6.4-r3)
2023-12-12 00:33:10 <aquamo4k> i might as well yolo update ... be back shortly I hope
2023-12-12 00:37:45 <dari> aquamo4k: do you use "-a" when doing apk -a upgrade?
2023-12-12 00:37:51 <aquamo4k> yes i did
2023-12-12 00:38:18 <dari> so at least can exclude wrong update process
2023-12-12 00:38:43 <aquamo4k> I didn't have a problem today, that was buinb, but a few days ago mkinitfs failed for me and I saw ncopa push a fix a few hours after I got bit by it. :-)
2023-12-12 00:39:46 <dari> ye just noticed :P
2023-12-12 00:40:12 <dari> so waiting for buinb if his updating process was correct
2023-12-12 00:40:24 <aquamo4k> on my main workstation i didn't go full zfs because I tend to run edge and wanted to make sure I could always come back from little problems like this
2023-12-12 00:40:37 <aquamo4k> i just have a non-root pool where all my data is on
2023-12-12 00:44:05 <omni> quinq: I wonder if you could've explicitly set lz4 as compression for whatever it was grub tried to read from, so that it hadn't been "inherit" meaning that it should inherit compression setting from parent zpool or dataset
2023-12-12 00:44:22 <omni> do you have a boot-pool separate from the root-pool?
2023-12-12 00:44:23 <LACampbell> heat: that's good to hear
2023-12-12 00:45:37 <aquamo4k> i think buinb had full root-on-zfs configuration, exact details i don't know
2023-12-12 00:46:13 <aquamo4k> i have ext4 boot and separte non-root pool for my data.  my problem was separate issue a few days ago.
2023-12-12 00:47:50 <aquamo4k> my issue was this:  https://git.alpinelinux.org/aports/commit/main/mkinitfs?id=372d39a33a725b8363347eda1a54d03e9573fa9b
2023-12-12 00:47:59 <aquamo4k> fixed last week
2023-12-12 00:58:09 <minimal> buinb: this was raised in alpine-devel channel on 5th
2023-12-12 01:05:18 <omni> quinq: ah, so you had the grub-probe error then but didn't reboot until now?
2023-12-12 01:17:18 <minimal> related to: https://savannah.gnu.org/bugs/index.php?64297 ?
2023-12-12 07:33:48 <quinq> omni, I didn't need the grub-probe as my configuration never changed
2023-12-12 07:34:32 <quinq> I mean grub-probe always complain that it cannot find the bootfs anyway
2023-12-12 09:48:12 <bse> greetings! i'd need some help with setting up alpine on a VPS....ran through the setup script a couple times and never quite succeeded. issue here is the network setup, im not all that familiar with that stuff. i have a static ipv6 (only ipv6) address, i select eth0 as my interface, what do i enter for teh ip address? it doesnt accept whatever::/64
2023-12-12 09:49:29 <telmich> bse: in case of doubt, you can also set the networking manually in /etc/network/interfaces
2023-12-12 09:50:24 <telmich> bse: it contains the usual line 1: auto eth0, line 2: iface eth0 inet6 static and line 3: address a:b:c:d/64
2023-12-12 09:50:49 <bse> i assume i do that before running the script? or would that overwrite it
2023-12-12 09:51:48 <telmich> which script are you using?
2023-12-12 09:52:16 <bse> setup-alpine
2023-12-12 09:52:34 <telmich> Ah
2023-12-12 09:53:30 <telmich> So, full disclaimer, I haven't used setup-alpine in a while, but I was doing the partitioning and initial setup myself and then used setup-disk on the mounted directory of the target later
2023-12-12 09:54:13 <telmich> One of the reasons for it was that the IPv6 support in setup-alpine wasn't properly working, something we should address [tm] - looking over to ikke 
2023-12-12 10:02:41 <bse> well...i think the main issue here is actually that I'm not familiar with ipv6 heh....i've seen several example configs, some have a natemask, some dont, some have a gateway, some dont, and tbh i have no idea what either really does....my superficial research led to nothing so far lol
2023-12-12 10:03:43 <bse> all i know is my ip is (2a01:4f8:1c1b:8636::1), so i set that to address, and i set netmask to 64, since, dunno, saw that in some example config, and my VPS provider displays the ip with /64 so that makes sense i think
2023-12-12 10:04:22 <bse> i realize this might not be the right place actually, since its not really an alpine issue, so sorry for that....maybe i should take it elsewhere
2023-12-12 11:46:44 <omni> quinq: I mean, you mentioned the grub-probe error in the other chat a week ago
2023-12-12 11:52:40 <lopid> omni means it
2023-12-12 12:07:23 <w00tang> @irc_oftc_bse:codeintheshell.org: Uhm had a similar issue the other day, ovh?
2023-12-12 12:38:25 <quinq> omni, did I?!
2023-12-12 12:38:38 <quinq> Damn, I sorry, I completely forgot about it, if so :/
2023-12-12 12:41:24 <quinq> Right, I see that in the logs now
2023-12-12 12:49:38 <omni> but you didn't reboot until now, right?
2023-12-12 12:53:22 <omni> I forgot about it too
2023-12-12 12:53:50 <omni> but logs never forget!
2023-12-12 12:54:12 <omni> unless they're tainted
2023-12-12 12:54:19 <omni> like my memory
2023-12-12 13:00:24 <tboerger[m]> Hey, is somebody else recently able to build multi architecture containers including ARM on GitHub actions  with some NodeJS project? For me all builds which include NodeJS and Alpine 3.19 are hanging until they are getting killed by GitHub.
2023-12-12 13:07:37 <tboerger[m]> A workflow like https://github.com/toolhippie/commitlint/blob/master/.github/workflows/docker.yml worked totally fine with 3.18 and hangs with 3.19 and I have no idea how to fix that.
2023-12-12 15:43:02 <ncopa> do you know where it hangs?
2023-12-12 16:33:43 <scorpion2185[m]> where is apk bin? something horribly wrong with pmos
2023-12-12 16:34:26 <ikke> scorpion2185[m]: you want a static binary?
2023-12-12 16:34:38 <scorpion2185[m]> apk file not found
2023-12-12 16:34:44 <ikke> https://gitlab.alpinelinux.org/alpine/apk-tools/-/releases
2023-12-12 16:36:41 <scorpion2185[m]> thanks ikke i mean where is the bin in the file system?
2023-12-12 16:36:46 <ikke> aah
2023-12-12 16:37:05 <ikke> /sbin/apk
2023-12-12 16:37:56 <scorpion2185[m]> wtf ls: command not found but I can use lsd
2023-12-12 16:38:10 <ikke> scorpion2185[m]: echo $PATH
2023-12-12 16:39:06 <aquamo4k> "echo *" is also a temp replacement for "ls" if you get stuck lol :-)
2023-12-12 16:40:57 <scorpion2185[m]> i have lsd for that good thing that I have installed it , apk-tools is the name of the package I searched apk only
2023-12-12 16:42:51 <cyclisme24[m]> apk is in /sbin/
2023-12-12 17:24:15 <f_> aquamo4k: good one :)
2023-12-12 17:24:47 <f_> should alias ls="echo *"
2023-12-12 17:35:36 <aquamo4k> i'm an old cave man era sys-admin so been stuck with partial or corrupt systems many times in life with only /bin/sh prompt, it's worked since the 80s
2023-12-12 17:39:32 <quinq> :«
2023-12-12 17:39:36 <quinq> *:)
2023-12-12 17:49:49 <cristian_c> hi
2023-12-12 17:50:48 <quinq> wow
2023-12-12 17:51:03 <quinq> ==> initramfs: creating /boot/initramfs-lts for 6.6.6-0-lts
2023-12-12 17:51:10 <quinq> 6.6.6-0-lts!!!
2023-12-12 17:51:11 <scorpion2185[m]> outside chroot paths are fine
2023-12-12 17:52:10 <cristian_c> I still can't get devices shown in pcmanfm though I've installed udisks2 and gvfs- packages, following alpine wiki
2023-12-12 17:52:50 <cristian_c> I've tried to look for a way to solve but I've solved nothing until now
2023-12-12 17:52:53 <cristian_c> any ideas?
2023-12-12 17:52:54 <scorpion2185[m]> dbus needed maybe?
2023-12-12 17:53:26 <cristian_c> scorpion2185[m], dbus installed and running
2023-12-12 17:53:59 <cristian_c> * status: started
2023-12-12 18:15:17 <cristian_c> has anyone any other ideas?
2023-12-12 18:23:11 <quinq> cristian_c, maybe your user is not in the expected group
2023-12-12 18:23:43 <quinq> I have myself a bluetooth question (total nqqb there)
2023-12-12 18:24:04 <quinq> I can see a remote device (phone), I can pair to it (from this laptop)
2023-12-12 18:25:09 <quinq> But when I ask to connect to it, I get “Failed to connect: org.bluez.Error.Failed br-connection-profile-unavailable”
2023-12-12 18:25:12 <quinq> No idea what that means
2023-12-12 18:25:29 <quinq> Does that say something to somebody?
2023-12-12 18:32:10 <andym48[m]> Lots of suggestions here https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=270465
2023-12-12 18:32:55 <quinq> Well, updating from 2021 doesn't sound like an adequate solution
2023-12-12 18:33:06 <quinq> And that's not a headphone pair
2023-12-12 18:33:21 <quinq> So installing pulseaudio wouldn't be one either
2023-12-12 18:33:23 <cristian_c> quinq, I already looked at groups but I can't detect anything strange there
2023-12-12 18:33:47 <cristian_c> quinq, which groups, in particular, I've to look at?
2023-12-12 18:34:16 <quinq> cristian_c, I don't know, nothing about it in the wiki?
2023-12-12 18:34:48 <quinq> andym48[m], and "ControllerMode = bredr" either as the default mode is dual (both bredr and le)
2023-12-12 18:37:15 <cristian_c> quinq, I'm doing a lot of queries in the wiki now but I've found no clues until now
2023-12-12 18:55:52 <quinq> ok, solved it with installing bluez-alsa
2023-12-12 18:55:55 <scorpion2185[m]> maybe is some pcmanfm problem?
2023-12-12 18:55:59 <quinq> I guess that “connect” is actually for audio
2023-12-12 19:04:38 <cristian_c> scorpion2185[m], I don't know, how to detect if it's pcmanfm's related?
2023-12-12 19:41:16 <scorpion2185[m]> cristian_c try another one, also isn't pcmanfm very old ? you could try pcmanfm-qt (mainteined qt version)
2023-12-12 20:17:19 <tboerger[m]> ncopa: I have separated the apk commands from the npm command, looks like it's really npm install which is hanging forever on 3.19 on arm :( without npm install it's running like https://github.com/toolhippie/commitlint/actions/runs/7186780752/job/19572934369 and with the npm command it will be stuck like https://github.com/toolhippie/commitlint/actions/runs/7186798499/job/19572986563 with this as a last line: [linux/arm/v6 3/3] RUN
2023-12-12 20:17:19 <tboerger[m]> npm install --global     @commitlint/cli@18.4.3     @commitlint/config-conventional@18.4.3
2023-12-12 20:20:25 <tboerger[m]> Just added strace to check if it should be related to https://gitlab.com/qemu-project/qemu/-/issues/1729 since this is happening on the QEMU setup with the whole docker actions.
2023-12-12 20:25:36 <tboerger[m]> Damn, no strace on QEMU
2023-12-12 21:21:19 <somercet> gtk4-doc has the full API reference, but gtk+3-doc only has a few stub files. Which package contains the GTK+ 3 API?
2023-12-12 21:33:02 <somercet> Ah, is it because they're all destined for /usr/share/gtk-doc ?
2023-12-12 22:36:45 <cristian_c> scorpion2185[m], it's pcmanfm-qt already
2023-12-12 22:36:52 <cristian_c> 1.3.0
2023-12-12 23:40:07 <dari> cristian_c: when you run as a user "udisksctl status" then got something?
2023-12-12 23:43:47 <cristian_c> Itry
2023-12-12 23:47:05 <dari> also what is output of "loginctl" command?
2023-12-12 23:47:50 <cristian_c> dari, Error connecting to the udisks daemon: Error calling StartServiceByName for org.freedesktop.UDisks2: Failed to execute program org.freedesktop.UDisks2: No such file or directory
2023-12-12 23:48:37 <cristian_c> dari, c2 1000 alpine seat0
2023-12-12 23:48:45 <cristian_c> 1 sessions listed.
2023-12-12 23:49:20 <dari> and run as root: udisksctl status
2023-12-12 23:49:26 <dari> still same error?
2023-12-12 23:50:02 <cristian_c> yes
2023-12-12 23:52:05 <dari> cristian_c: do you have file "/usr/share/dbus-1/system-services/org.freedesktop.UDisks2.service" ?
2023-12-12 23:53:46 <cristian_c> dari, yes
2023-12-12 23:55:09 <dari> cristian_c: could you paste somewhere output of "rc-status" command as a root?
2023-12-12 23:55:46 <cristian_c> yes
2023-12-12 23:56:10 <dari> can use: <command> | curl -F 'tpaste=<-' https://tpaste.us/
2023-12-12 23:59:45 <cristian_c> dari, https://pastebin.com/QPaVnr5T
2023-12-13 00:04:10 <dari> cristian_c: and are you abble to use loginctl reboot/suspend etc as a user?
2023-12-13 00:05:17 <dari> is weird, looks like dbus not starting services at all
2023-12-13 00:05:47 <cristian_c> dari, now yes
2023-12-13 00:05:52 <dari> cristian_c: got anything else in logs when running pcmanfm-qt?
2023-12-13 00:05:58 <cristian_c> at first, I was not able
2023-12-13 00:06:21 <dari> and how you fixed it?
2023-12-13 00:06:21 <cristian_c> dari, I try
2023-12-13 00:07:27 <cristian_c> dari, /var/log/messages?
2023-12-13 00:07:43 <dari> yes
2023-12-13 00:08:08 <cristian_c> dari, I don't remember now but since this channel is logged I've explained that, i try to make a search
2023-12-13 00:09:29 <cristian_c> dari, ah, ok, i remember maybe
2023-12-13 00:09:38 <cristian_c> it should be solved thanks to polkit
2023-12-13 00:11:03 <cristian_c> <cristian_c>	<dari> cristian_c: do you have polkit service enabled? <- I know it's enabled but I check again to be sure
2023-12-13 00:11:26 <cristian_c> <cristian_c>	dari, bingo
2023-12-13 00:12:01 <cristian_c> <cristian_c>	dari, doas rc-update add polkit and doas rc-service polkit start did the trick
2023-12-13 00:12:12 <dari> ah yeah
2023-12-13 00:12:53 <dari> cristian_c: "pkaction" as a user print anything?
2023-12-13 00:14:28 <cristian_c> dari, unfortunately, /var/log/messages is not updated when I launch pcmanfm-qt
2023-12-13 00:15:16 <cristian_c> dari, pkaction prints many lines
2023-12-13 00:15:30 <dari> normaly there should be lines with dbus/dbus-daemon
2023-12-13 00:15:33 <dari> ah ok
2023-12-13 00:17:32 <cristian_c> a few bluueman lines, many org.freedesktop lines (several org.freedesktop.udisks2 between them), and finally some gtk, kde and lxqt lines
2023-12-13 00:18:03 <cristian_c> dari, I see no lines with dbus references
2023-12-13 00:18:50 <cristian_c> I just see one org.freedesktop.policykit.exec
2023-12-13 00:19:54 <dari> cristian_c: just to be sure if got all packages, could you paste output from that: apk info | grep elogind
2023-12-13 00:21:37 <dari> hmm, what you running, sway?
2023-12-13 00:22:05 <dari> by sddm?
2023-12-13 00:22:27 <cristian_c> dari, https://pastebin.com/PFTDmluG
2023-12-13 00:23:01 <cristian_c> dari, what do you mean? DE lxqt, login manager sddm
2023-12-13 00:23:11 <dari> ah
2023-12-13 00:23:31 <cristian_c> dari, https://pastebin.com/PFTDm1uG
2023-12-13 00:23:34 <cristian_c> 1, not l
2023-12-13 00:24:47 <dari> ok, did you try start lxqt manualy without sddm?
2023-12-13 00:26:14 <cristian_c> dari, all the packages in that list are installed
2023-12-13 00:26:55 <cristian_c> dari, currently, when i boot alpine, login manager starts automatically
2023-12-13 00:27:29 <cristian_c> btw, i remember I've started sddm manually. When i tried to start lxqt, it should fail
2023-12-13 00:27:46 <dari> yeah, so should disable service and create .xinitrc file 
2023-12-13 00:27:51 <dari> lxqt-policykit is installed?
2023-12-13 00:28:01 <cristian_c> it should be
2023-12-13 00:28:34 <cristian_c> I confirm, it's installed
2023-12-13 00:28:54 <cristian_c> dari, content of .xinitrc?
2023-12-13 00:29:09 <dari> ok, disable sddm, and create .xinitrc in your user dir, ye
2023-12-13 00:29:12 <dari> and one sec
2023-12-13 00:29:46 <dari> and put there line: exec dbus-launch --exit-with-session startlxqt
2023-12-13 00:30:13 <dari> then reboot, login and run "startx"
2023-12-13 00:30:48 <cristian_c> (yeah, i remember I tried to run startlxqt in past but it failed)
2023-12-13 00:30:52 <dari> long time ago I had some weird problem with dbus stuff when run wm from sddm
2023-12-13 00:31:18 <dari> try with above line
2023-12-13 00:34:14 <cristian_c> reboot ongoing
2023-12-13 00:36:05 <cristian_c> login started
2023-12-13 00:36:39 <cristian_c> dari, desktop freezes
2023-12-13 00:36:49 <cristian_c> I remember it alreafy happened in past
2023-12-13 00:36:57 <cristian_c> (when I tried startlxqt)
2023-12-13 00:37:47 <cristian_c> dari, I powered it off, pressing power button
2023-12-13 00:38:17 <cristian_c> dari, unfortunately, startlxqt probably crashes
2023-12-13 00:38:34 <dari> couldn't change console to other? ctrl+alt+F2 ?
2023-12-13 00:38:46 <cristian_c> I think not, I can try again
2023-12-13 00:40:34 <dari> then check xorg logs or something, is weird it crash, so can't imagine what magic sddm have to to to run it...
2023-12-13 00:41:22 <cristian_c> this time, desktop doesn't appear at all
2023-12-13 00:41:33 <cristian_c> startx hangs
2023-12-13 00:42:12 <cristian_c> xauth: timeout in locking authority file /home/alpine/.Xauthority
2023-12-13 00:42:30 <cristian_c> after some time, desktop starts to appear
2023-12-13 00:42:42 <cristian_c> dari, probably it was a xorg crash
2023-12-13 00:42:54 <cristian_c> uhm, no, desktop still does not appear
2023-12-13 00:42:58 <cristian_c> black screen
2023-12-13 00:43:44 <dari> you sure your filename is .xinitrc  ?
2023-12-13 00:43:50 <cristian_c> ctrl+alt+f2 seems to not have effect
2023-12-13 00:43:56 <cristian_c> dari, yeah
2023-12-13 00:44:15 <cristian_c> I'm not able to switch tty console
2023-12-13 00:44:52 <cristian_c> dari, I powered it off, pressing power button
2023-12-13 00:45:23 <dari> :\
2023-12-13 00:46:11 <cristian_c> dari, booted alpine again, login done
2023-12-13 00:47:00 <cristian_c> dari, confirmed, it's .xinitrc
2023-12-13 00:47:20 <cristian_c> I don't know if I've to run startx
2023-12-13 00:48:24 <cristian_c> or run rc-service sddm start?
2023-12-13 00:49:02 <dari> one sec
2023-12-13 00:49:45 <cristian_c> cat .xinitrc
2023-12-13 00:50:17 <cristian_c> exec dbus-launch --exit-with-session startlxqt
2023-12-13 00:51:35 <dari> ye, correct, but looks like lxqt is ekhm... need some special attention
2023-12-13 01:00:13 <dari> dunno, for me sddm doing something wrong and lxqt isn't better
2023-12-13 01:15:27 <dari> cristian_c: only last ideas which I could try, remove .xinitrc, add user to wheel group, install "xdg-desktop-portal-lxqt"
2023-12-13 08:38:56 <ncopa> tboerger[m]: oh, it happens in qemu... We have had issues with qemu in the past. Would be nice with a way to reproduce it locally in docker
2023-12-13 08:40:47 <tboerger[m]> Yeah... I need to check if my old RPi is still working, maybe I can reproduce it on that natively, let's see.
2023-12-13 08:41:04 <tboerger[m]> So far I have built all multi arch images on GitHub with QEMU
2023-12-13 08:41:42 <tboerger[m]> But maybe it would even help to reproduce everything locally with a setup in my control based on QEMU, need to check that as well.
2023-12-13 12:56:45 <ncopa> would be nice if you had a simple reproducer in docker buildx multiarch, whi h uses qemu
2023-12-13 12:57:17 <ncopa> i is not unlikely that it is a bug in qemu that is triggered by newer alpine/musl
2023-12-13 15:01:45 <vkrishn> if i see something like "bugs : cpu_meltdown spectre_v1 spectre_v2 spec_store_bypass l1tf mds" <- in /proc/cpuinfo, is it ok ?
2023-12-13 15:03:52 <vkrishn> full core 0 text here, https://tpaste.us/EJQJ 
2023-12-13 15:07:02 <vkrishn> nm, will do some searching/reading
2023-12-13 15:36:17 <invoked> vkrishn: check your kernel ring buffer for terms like mitigation and spectre
2023-12-13 15:36:53 <invoked> it's a whole thing. not all cpus were fixed by microcode but have some mitigation in place
2023-12-13 15:43:06 <invoked> here's a better link: https://kernel.org/doc/html/latest/admin-guide/hw-vuln/
2023-12-13 15:50:54 <vkrishn> ok, thanks
2023-12-13 17:41:55 <chexo4[m]> Hello! Do y’all think LBU can be used/abused to set up an Alpine install with an immutable root partition? Not like data disk mode where it’s caching a bunch of stuff in RAM, I want it to be closer to system disk mode, but with atomic upgrades. So that the kernel can decide what to cache in e.g. swap instead of deciding for it.
2023-12-13 17:45:58 <chexo4[m]> I’m basically going to lock myself out of fucking with things and making ad hoc changes. Since I’m going to be running this under postmarketOS on a phone, I want to have something really stable.
2023-12-13 17:45:59 <chexo4[m]> Like as much as they’re assholes there’s benefits to copying what iOS and Android do here
2023-12-13 17:50:44 <minimal> chexo4[m]: with run-from-ram (and I assume Data) mode the rootfs is in memory, with Sys-mode the rootfs is on disk/SSD
2023-12-13 17:51:02 <minimal> and so the rootfs for run-from-ram is no immutable as it is created upon each boot
2023-12-13 17:51:39 <minimal> and then the LBU created stuff is applied on top of the created rootfs
2023-12-13 17:52:09 <chexo4[m]> Fair point. Either way I found a wiki article for exactly this
2023-12-13 17:52:49 <minimal> with Sys mode how would any (LBU) changes be applied to an "immutable" storage-based rootfs?
2023-12-13 19:37:31 <frojnd> Hi there.
2023-12-13 19:42:05 <xgpt> I'm struggling guys, why can't I mount an external USB HDD by PARTUUID
2023-12-13 19:42:19 <xgpt> blkid confirms I have the correct mounting setup
2023-12-13 19:42:48 <frojnd> My laptop has wifi ax supported wifi card but I think lts kernel doesn't support it? Alder Lake-P PCH CNVi WiFi (rev 01)
2023-12-13 19:49:57 <frojnd> Hm let me reboot and try to scan again with iwd: linux-lts (6.1.62-r0 -> 6.1.67-r0)
2023-12-13 19:52:54 <frojnd> Well.. I guess new update just upgraded the iwlwifi! Ican see the ax wifi network now :)
2023-12-13 20:00:11 <minimal> xgpt: well you've provided no real info into what you tried and what, if any, error messages you saw...
2023-12-13 20:24:38 <xgpt> Fair enough. I ended up getting it working but I don't know *why" it's working. Ugh
2023-12-13 20:25:13 <xgpt> It's mounting off of the UUID Of the drive but not the PARTUUID. I used genfstab for alpine (random script Google surfaces)
2023-12-13 20:25:35 <xgpt> Im curious if busybox supports mount via partuuid
2023-12-13 20:28:03 <xgpt> Very confusing. I can post files later if someone wants to look. I might try and find a forum to do so
2023-12-14 00:16:29 <xgpt> just ran my first apk upgrade between 3.18 to 3.19
2023-12-14 00:21:44 <xgpt> and....I just realized why I didn't get 6.6.6! (It's running in an LXC container :P) 
2023-12-14 00:25:37 <xgpt> nvm
2023-12-14 10:04:03 <WhyNotHugo> What process writes into /var/log/messages
2023-12-14 10:08:18 <lopid> usually syslog types
2023-12-14 10:10:44 <WhyNotHugo> Oh, yeah, syslog.
2023-12-14 15:07:50 <Cyat> Hey! I'm installing an Alpine on a VMWare VM. In VMWare, I configure 4 ethernet: ethernet[0-3]. When booting on Alpine iso, alpine detect correctly 4 NIC but apply this naming: ethernet0 is named eth1; ethernet1 is named eth2; ethernet2 is named eth3; ethernet3 is named eth0. Not blocking, but quite disturbing... Sure, I could override the NIC name, but it seems strange that alpine doesn't name the name respecting t
2023-12-14 15:20:00 <caskd[m]> eth* names are not stable and are claimed first come first serve
2023-12-14 15:20:34 <caskd[m]> static interface names may be set using nameif
2023-12-14 15:20:58 <caskd[m]> via a mdev rule or otherwise
2023-12-14 15:28:20 <Cyat> Thanks for you feedback. Not sure what you mean by "eth* names are not stable": even if its disturbing to see my ethernet3 named eth0, my eth names are stable and remains the same after any reboot (if not it would be a pain, for iptables rules for instance)
2023-12-14 15:32:22 <dari> I was thinking same until after many many reboots or kernel upgrade my nic order changed
2023-12-14 15:32:59 <Habbie> kernel updates or BIOS updates may change it
2023-12-14 15:33:10 <Habbie> detaching/reattaching devices (which is possible in a virtual environment too) can also give surprises
2023-12-14 15:33:21 <dari> yeah
2023-12-14 15:45:24 <aquamo4k> yeah, device enumeration and naming can also be affect by the order in which modules are loaded into the kernel and this has been a thing for a long time
2023-12-14 15:46:34 <invoked> i think people coming from systemd get confused (where's my eno1?) etc.
2023-12-14 16:18:45 <omni> win 22
2023-12-14 16:18:51 <omni> *sigh*
2023-12-14 16:24:50 <minimal> xgpt: no, Busybox mount does not appear to support PARTUUID
2023-12-14 18:42:24 <jemius> I'm new to alpine. All I should need for building the Linux kernel is linux-lts-dev and linux-headers, right? Because make complains about #include <sys/types.h> no such file or directory
2023-12-14 18:42:34 <jemius> So I assume I might be missing something still
2023-12-14 18:45:15 <minimal> jemius: have you looked at the APKBUILD file for linux-lts?
2023-12-14 18:45:31 <Saijin_Naib[m]> I think alpine-sdk plus what you have should suffice
2023-12-14 18:45:53 <Saijin_Naib[m]> Also,  always listen to minimal 🤣
2023-12-14 18:46:19 <jemius> minimal, what's that, the package file? Should I look at those when searching for something?
2023-12-14 18:50:31 <minimal> jemius: it is used by the abuild utility to build each Alpine package
2023-12-14 18:51:06 <minimal> jemius: is there a specific reason you're wanting to build linux-lts yourself rather than use the existing package?
2023-12-14 18:57:17 <jemius> minimal, actually, I just want to build a / the kernel from Linus's master branch. So I did what old Debian people do: Type apk search linux-dev and then install stuff until it compiles 8-)
2023-12-14 19:03:03 <minimal> jemius: I think I count as an "old Debian person" ;-) First used it in 94/95...
2023-12-14 19:16:12 <jemius> sooooo alpine-sdk is roughly the equivalent to Debian's build-essential?
2023-12-14 19:17:04 <Saijin_Naib[m]> More or less, yeah
2023-12-14 19:17:26 <Saijin_Naib[m]> Plus some packages specific to alpine package builds
2023-12-14 19:18:18 <minimal> it is just a virtual package that depends on 3 others - abuild, build-base, and git
2023-12-14 19:19:35 <minimal> I guess build-base is more equivalent to Debian's build-essential
2023-12-14 19:20:14 <minimal> and then the linux-lts APKBUILD file then defines additional packages specific to building linux-lts
2023-12-14 19:40:06 <Saijin_Naib[m]> Dbus-Broker 34 Released For High Performance D-Bus Message Broker
2023-12-14 19:40:06 <Saijin_Naib[m]> https://www.phoronix.com/news/Dbus-Broker-34
2023-12-14 19:40:40 <Saijin_Naib[m]> What real impact would this have in an Alpine install? If any
2023-12-14 19:43:11 <minimal> did you read the Changelog which lists only 4 changes?
2023-12-14 19:45:05 <minimal> the SELinux one won't have any effect on Alpine unless you actually make use of SELinux (i.e. have the libselinux-utils package installed and make use of it)
2023-12-14 19:52:02 <Saijin_Naib[m]> I mean dbus-broker supposedly being faster
2023-12-14 19:52:34 <Saijin_Naib[m]> Is that only relevant in highly loaded parallel environments like servers?
2023-12-14 19:52:48 <Saijin_Naib[m]> We use normal dbus, right?
2023-12-14 19:53:13 <minimal> *some* Alpine users use dbus
2023-12-14 19:53:24 <minimal> I don't have dbus on any of my servers AFAIK
2023-12-14 19:54:00 <Saijin_Naib[m]> Ahh
2023-12-14 19:54:57 <minimal> if you look at the Alpine dbus package "Required by" list a lot of those packages are desktop oriented
2023-12-14 19:55:18 <minimal> though cups, k3s, and lxd are in the list
2023-12-14 20:13:37 <Saijin_Naib[m]> My usage is desktop, with heavy data processing
2023-12-14 20:14:07 <Saijin_Naib[m]> Just curious if it would be free performance as it implies
2023-12-14 20:31:59 <Ermine> Wdym heavy data processing?
2023-12-14 20:32:18 <Ermine> Dbus is mostly integration stuff for desktop thingies
2023-12-14 20:33:13 <Ermine> Like networkmanager has dbus api so desktop environment can provide you an icon and network settings
2023-12-14 20:34:20 <Ermine> However kwin apparently has screenshot api on dbus (instead of wayland protocol), dbus-broker is faster here apparently
2023-12-14 20:35:42 <Ermine> Server environments use different stuff for communication. One of buzzwords here is grpc
2023-12-14 20:56:20 <invoked> the comments there. "but now, 2023, having another piece of critical system software in C while Rust is there seems like an odd choice"  ffs.
2023-12-14 20:56:27 <invoked> thought leaders amongst us
2023-12-14 21:02:40 <dash886> Hey Wasn't sure where to report I was linked to the git.alpine site(https://git.alpinelinux.org/aports/tree/main/musl/getconf.c) and noticed the files take a lot to load, it appears it doesn't escape the <> on the include which outside of thee slowness indicate xss  here is an image https://imgur.com/a/GLDOTKy
2023-12-14 21:06:07 <Ermine> invoked: nothing unusual happened in phoronix forums
2023-12-14 21:08:16 <quinq> dash886, that'd be a cgit bug, wouldn't it?
2023-12-14 21:08:55 <quinq> Maybe that's a recent regression
2023-12-14 21:09:09 <dash886> the last release is 4 years ago for cgit
2023-12-14 21:09:34 <dash886> i was thinking on replicating it with cgit but I am after a long day so probably tomorrow
2023-12-14 21:10:08 <quinq> Then that'd be strange that such a bug wouldn't have been reported before, I assume cgit displays mostly C code
2023-12-14 21:10:14 <quinq> Might be something else
2023-12-14 21:10:34 <dash886> generated by cgit v1.2.3 (git 2.41.0) at 2023-12-14 20:26:21 +0000 Latest tagged release
2023-12-14 21:10:40 <dash886> > v1.2.3    cgit-1.2.3.tar.xz (sig)  cgit-1.2.3.zip      Jason A. Donenfeld    4 years
2023-12-14 21:12:21 <dash886> it is not the most active there were some fixes across time  that werent released but most of it was updating the libgit dependency which I would guess automated 
2023-12-14 21:13:11 <dash886> https://git.zx2c4.com/cgit/log/
2023-12-14 21:19:36 <quinq> “uwsgi” maybe that's a python bug
2023-12-14 21:27:05 <dash886> checked the mialing list there wasnt a mention of it
2023-12-14 21:27:14 <dash886> is that the actual infra underlying it https://gitlab.alpinelinux.org/alpine/infra/compose/cgit
2023-12-14 21:29:37 <quinq> Disclaimer, I'm just a user here
2023-12-14 21:29:46 <quinq> But it looks like it would :)
2023-12-14 21:30:10 <Saijin_Naib[m]> <Ermine> "Wdym heavy data processing?" <- Multi-gigabyte image processing, pointcloud processing, etc
2023-12-14 21:30:56 <Saijin_Naib[m]> <Ermine> "Dbus is mostly integration stuff..." <- Ah... so not likely a bottleneck on any reasonable machine, but maybe a bit smoother on marginal machines? 
2023-12-14 21:33:09 <dash886> https://www.codiga.io/blog/display-code-snippets-in-html/
2023-12-14 21:34:26 <dash886> make sense the backend will convert it to htmlcodes
2023-12-14 21:36:57 <dash886> github handle it this way https://imgur.com/a/6UcnO3H
2023-12-14 21:39:50 <dash886> which is a really complex css +react
2023-12-14 21:57:17 <dash886> got  a bit better understanding it seems highlight fallback to txt instead of c code https://gitlab.alpinelinux.org/alpine/infra/compose/cgit/-/blob/master/uwsgi/scripts/highlight.sh?ref_type=heads
2023-12-14 21:58:51 <dash886> more obvious against https://git.alpinelinux.org/aports/tree/main/musl/iconv.c
2023-12-14 22:56:47 <cristian_c> dari, user was already added to wheel group
2023-12-14 22:58:57 <cristian_c> dari, xdg-desktop-portal-lxqt installs fuse3 and fuse-common between its dependencies
2023-12-15 00:22:04 <Baconperson> Hi, I'm having trouble with installing v4l-utils, it is saying "v4l-utils (no such package)"
2023-12-15 00:58:40 <omni> and they're gone
2023-12-15 00:58:56 <omni> I guess they may not have had the community repo enabled?
2023-12-15 08:01:53 <andym48[m]> <cristian_c> "dari, xdg-desktop-portal-lxqt..." <- Are you trying to startx lxqt?
2023-12-15 08:05:02 <andym48[m]> You need to recreat your .xinitrc file and add 'startlxqt'  to the end as per https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/xinit
2023-12-15 08:05:22 <andym48[m]> s/recreat/recreate/
2023-12-15 11:19:13 <jemius> How would I boot a different Kernel on Alpine?
2023-12-15 11:26:20 <lopid> extlinux or grub?
2023-12-15 11:27:05 <jemius> lopid, ahm. Standard installation. So it seems extlinux
2023-12-15 11:27:58 <lopid> you'll have to make a copy of the current kernel files so they're not removed at next upgrade
2023-12-15 11:28:40 <jemius> lopid, I just want to do some kernel development, so test around a bit, look at dmesg and then destroy the VM sooner or later
2023-12-15 11:32:09 <lopid> install the kernel into /boot (and /lib/modules) and run update-extlinux to have them detected for next boot
2023-12-15 11:33:31 <lopid> not sure update-extlinux is actually necessary if you haven't changed /etc/update-extlinux.conf, which you shouldn't need to do
2023-12-15 11:35:26 <lopid> oh, yes, it will need to be listed in /boot/extlinux.conf
2023-12-15 11:35:38 <lopid> https://wiki.syslinux.org/wiki/index.php?title=The_Syslinux_Project 
2023-12-15 11:37:30 <jemius> running it creates an entry to extlinux.conf called LABEL vanilla
2023-12-15 11:37:48 <lopid> right
2023-12-15 11:38:10 <jemius> INITRD is missing. So I  guess you have to generate one
2023-12-15 11:38:22 <lopid> so build your kernel, install the files, run update-extlinux
2023-12-15 11:54:37 <jemius> hm, as I see it I need update-initramfs
2023-12-15 11:55:59 <omni> mkinitfs(1)
2023-12-15 12:16:42 <lopid> maybe update-kernel since it looks like it's specific for alpine
2023-12-15 12:26:11 <omni> https://wiki.alpinelinux.org/wiki/Custom_Kernel
2023-12-15 14:04:17 <joao2023> hello
2023-12-15 14:08:56 <omni> y to the o
2023-12-15 14:10:43 <joao2023> i'm having a weird issue with my alpine install, it sorta looks like this one https://gitlab.alpinelinux.org/alpine/aports/-/issues/13165 but the solution doesn't work for me. Also i'm using syslinux and BIOS (not UEFI)
2023-12-15 14:12:33 <joao2023> what happens is the password prompt doesn't show up on boot, the screen is on but black, and if I type the password it boots normally and I get video/the OpenRC services starting text
2023-12-15 14:14:04 <invoked> you might need early kms
2023-12-15 14:15:12 <invoked> i don't know what gpu you have, but i know some people set kms at boot for some cases.
2023-12-15 14:16:48 <joao2023> i only have the integrated GPU of the intel i5-3360M, that would be the HD 4000
2023-12-15 14:17:26 <joao2023> i also have seabios on coreboot
2023-12-15 14:18:48 <invoked> oh, this is a coreboot thing.  no idea then.
2023-12-15 14:19:53 <invoked> https://wiki.alpinelinux.org/wiki/Kernel_Modesetting maybe that would help, i don't know.
2023-12-15 14:21:56 <joao2023> thanks, i'm trying it right now. i'll say if it worked
2023-12-15 14:24:00 <jemius> omni, thx for the article. There's a bug, though, with the table claiming that x86_64 is of 32 bitness
2023-12-15 14:27:54 <joao2023> dang it works
2023-12-15 14:28:10 <omni> only one? implausible!
2023-12-15 14:28:10 <joao2023> thanks a lot invoked
2023-12-15 14:29:55 <joao2023> invoked, thank you for the help.
2023-12-15 14:36:28 <invoked> np, it was just a guess
2023-12-15 15:37:14 <joe_556677> Hi guys! Is it somehow possible to instruct the installer (sys mode) to not create a swap partition? Preferably via answer_file?
2023-12-15 15:37:34 <minimal> you can specify a swap size of 0
2023-12-15 15:39:13 <minimal> SWAP_SIZE=0
2023-12-15 15:39:30 <joe_556677> Thank you very much!
2023-12-15 17:02:02 <frojnd> Hm
2023-12-15 17:02:50 <frojnd> I can't watch drm video on Firefox, I've enabled drm under general settings, vaapi is also enabled. Restarted firefox but I keep getting: widewinecdn plugin has crashed :s
2023-12-15 17:03:06 <frojnd> Any suggestions?
2023-12-15 17:04:03 <ikke> widevine does generally not work on musl systems
2023-12-15 17:05:02 <frojnd> Ouh, so my workaround would be to install flatpak firefox?
2023-12-15 17:05:14 <ikke> yup
2023-12-15 17:05:21 <frojnd> Ok let me try that, thank you!
2023-12-15 17:21:05 <frojnd> Hm I have a problem with setting up flatpak under sway and dbus
2023-12-15 17:21:08 <frojnd> ...I think
2023-12-15 17:22:29 <frojnd> I start sway (after I login) like this: `dbus-run-session -- sway` but wiki says I should start dbus like this: exec dbus-launch --exit-with-session your_favourite_wm
2023-12-15 17:29:05 <invoked> i've never used that, and reading the manpage suggests it's there for X mainly
2023-12-15 17:29:36 <frojnd> It seems that any command I run that is connected with directories it just fails
2023-12-15 17:29:37 <invoked> i used to activate dbus at the userspace level but now i just have it set at boot.
2023-12-15 17:30:05 <frojnd> invoked: when I tried that: sway didn't work as in I could login but I couldn't bring any terminal or anything
2023-12-15 17:30:46 <invoked> i don't know that there is an orthodox way of doing that. everyone seems to do it their own way
2023-12-15 17:30:56 <frojnd> Hehe yeah
2023-12-15 17:31:16 <frojnd> But my dbus is runnig I guess... but somehow this combo is not working with flatpak
2023-12-15 17:31:35 <invoked> i set all my XDG* shit in .profile and run dbus-update-activation-environment in sway's config
2023-12-15 17:32:11 <invoked> that said i don't really know how any of that crap works. it just does.
2023-12-15 17:33:04 <invoked> i'm loathe to suggest my way of doing it, because it very possibly could be wrong or at least frowned upon
2023-12-15 17:34:06 <invoked> seatd was supposed to take care of everything, i thought
2023-12-15 17:34:12 <invoked> (but it doesn't)
2023-12-15 17:35:03 <frojnd> I am also using seatd
2023-12-15 17:35:37 <invoked> with sway, you have to.
2023-12-15 17:36:23 <frojnd> Aha
2023-12-15 17:36:39 <frojnd> It says under Sway wiki I should add xdg-desktop-portal-* to my sway config
2023-12-15 17:36:41 <frojnd> For flatpak
2023-12-15 17:37:04 <frojnd> I already doo
2023-12-15 17:39:28 <vkrishn> invoked: does playing full HD video in sway give average(sane) cpu usage ?
2023-12-15 17:39:55 <invoked> fine
2023-12-15 17:40:32 <invoked> something about the 3.19 update tanked gaming performance for me, but everything else still works good.
2023-12-15 17:40:43 <vkrishn> i am thinking of trying it. how about acpi / power-management ?
2023-12-15 17:41:39 <vkrishn> does monitor sleep after no use/ cpu fan slowed ?
2023-12-15 17:41:42 <invoked> generally most things work better in sway than they did in i3 (anecdotally), wayland/flatpak fiddling aside
2023-12-15 17:42:19 <vkrishn> good to know, would be trying, maybe use it permanently
2023-12-15 17:42:23 <invoked> the main reason i switched before is because i had weird complicated shit to protect clipboard operations before, and that went away with the change to sway.
2023-12-15 17:42:44 <frojnd> invoked: did you also install and started in sway config xdg-desktop-portal-gtk xdg-desktop-portal-gnome ? or just xdg-desktop-portal-wlr?
2023-12-15 17:42:47 <vkrishn> yeah, dislike clipboard
2023-12-15 17:45:15 <invoked> frojnd: i don't do any of that, i just have my preferences for the XDG_ vars because i don't like the fdo defaults. and i make sure the XDG_RUNTIME_DIR exists and has the right perms
2023-12-15 17:47:21 <invoked> i just run sway directly and i have some terms launch and run stuff like dbus-update-activation environment, and pipewire-launcher from there.
2023-12-15 17:47:50 <invoked> it's all duct tape when it should just do the right thing automatically.
2023-12-15 17:47:57 <frojnd> Well my XDG_RUNTIME_DIR exists and it has right permissionsm, pipewire depends on it... I doubt it's my XDG_RUNTIME_DIR configuration my .profile https://termbin.com/v0ec
2023-12-15 17:48:04 <frojnd> hehe
2023-12-15 17:49:12 <frojnd> invoked: but you run dbs as service and start at boot?
2023-12-15 17:49:23 <frojnd> s/dbs/dbus/
2023-12-15 17:49:46 <invoked> yeah. but it should work either way.
2023-12-15 17:50:09 <invoked> a lot of this is just due to it not being a systemd environment, because systemd pisses on everything
2023-12-15 17:53:17 <frojnd> Started from beginning and even adding repo doesn't work when using -verbose: flatpak -v remote-add --user --if-not-exists flathub https://flathub.org/repo/flathub.flatpakrepo gives me: https://termbin.com/md62
2023-12-15 17:53:29 <vkrishn> i too used to how kwrite works in kde, "mostly word highlight on selection", think neo vim has that feature
2023-12-15 17:54:20 <vkrishn> 2nd is date menu for "multiple time zone"
2023-12-15 17:54:54 <vkrishn> need to figure its replacment, rest has alternatives
2023-12-15 17:55:20 <invoked> i thought all the cool kids switched to helix
2023-12-15 17:55:49 <vkrishn> now don't sway me away :)
2023-12-15 17:56:13 <vkrishn> looking at it now
2023-12-15 17:57:15 <invoked> don't you want to be cool?
2023-12-15 17:57:33 <invoked> i'm an irc bully, probably best to disregard my comments
2023-12-15 18:06:03 <vkrishn> cool software a good, but not when they freeze developement, and dissapear leaving behind cracks 
2023-12-15 18:07:35 <invoked> you didn't get the memo that rust is the future. let me get you another copy of that memo
2023-12-15 18:08:07 <invoked> we're also putting coversheets on all the tps reports now
2023-12-15 18:09:39 <vkrishn> i really think all rust progs should have its parallel development with current AL, maybe call it alrust, including writing kernel in rust
2023-12-15 18:10:33 <vkrishn> should create new job oppurtunites too
2023-12-15 18:12:53 <invoked> i've reluctantly learned some rust. but my future plans there, while some are sanitizing rust, i plan on satirizing rust
2023-12-15 18:13:11 <invoked> keep an eye out for my vlog. fave like subscribe
2023-12-15 18:13:20 <vkrishn> where?
2023-12-15 18:13:28 <invoked> tba
2023-12-15 18:13:58 <invoked> 
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2023-12-15 18:13:58 <vkrishn> satire is good if one is well versed with the topic concerned
2023-12-15 18:14:12 <vkrishn> hmmm ...
2023-12-15 18:15:21 <invoked> i'm in the late stage of my programming/management career so this is a natural progression for me.
2023-12-15 18:15:28 <invoked> for you, perhaps not so much
2023-12-15 18:16:25 <vkrishn> which means the satire would invoke thoughts :D
2023-12-15 18:16:27 <invoked> this is what old people do. we complain about the new shit
2023-12-15 18:17:59 <invoked> anyway i have derailed this channel.  off to the penalty box.
2023-12-15 18:21:42 <omni> there's always #alpine-offtopic
2023-12-15 18:21:58 <omni> that is often too on-topic
2023-12-15 20:40:20 <tboerger[m]> ncopa: I have been able to reproduce the QEMU issue on a plain Ubuntu 22.04 VM. Just installed a VM at Hetzner and executed these commands, working builds take around 70seconds and with the referenced PR it's not getting done with the npm command from the Dockerfile: https://gist.github.com/tboerger/9f229af44b00c1dcbb03efc852560c59
2023-12-16 04:36:22 <root_____> Hi guys.
2023-12-16 04:36:45 <root_____> exit
2023-12-16 04:37:30 <livy> Hello.
2023-12-16 04:37:48 <livy> I have an issue with encrypted apk overlay files.
2023-12-16 04:38:28 <livy> I use 'lbu ci -e' to save an apkovl. On next boot it should prompt for password on the screen, but it does not show anything.
2023-12-16 04:38:55 <livy> Alpine greets me with a blank GPU output and a blank serial output after Grub menu.
2023-12-16 04:39:22 <livy> I have to blindly type the password into the GPU output (the monitor screen) to unlock the apkovl file, after that everything works fine.
2023-12-16 04:39:38 <livy> How to make it show the prompt on the monitor and/or serial?
2023-12-16 04:46:06 <livy> I am using Alpine inside QEMU, with a 'virtio-gpu-pci' as virtual GPU, and an 'isa-serial' as virtual serial device. Maybe it is the problem.
2023-12-16 04:54:25 <livy> The 'virtio-gpu-pci' is not VGA compatible.
2023-12-16 13:22:49 <jerkwad_robot> So... adding a disk to fstab, it looks like I can use the device name "/dev/sdc..." instead of looking for a UUID?
2023-12-16 13:24:07 <wolf> Good morning, I installed two notebooks with very low configuration. One with 2 gigs of memory and the other with 4 gigs. One Intel and the other AMD. But if you open video processing on YouTube, for example, they consume 100% of the CPU and freeze the video. Is there anything it could be? Less buying new notebooks. hahaha
2023-12-16 13:24:25 <wolf> https://pastebin.com/Sdv4kRe1
2023-12-16 13:46:11 <ncrowl> wolf: I guess, you can watch Youtube from the prompt "mpv" (and have yt-dlp), there exist patch for the suckless "surf" browser fo it
2023-12-16 13:48:52 <ikke> jerkwad_robot: Most of the time, yes, but that name can change
2023-12-16 15:12:14 <bananicorn> wolf: I also recommend mpv with yt-dlp, works great for me when youtube in browser is a stuttery mess and you can configure a maximum resolution in the settings. :)
2023-12-16 15:12:20 <bananicorn> *config
2023-12-16 15:15:01 <bananicorn> Is there a better place to request a package than here? I'd really love to use incus on Alpine, it's a fork of lxd by many of its original devs after canonical took over lxd. With the license changes and CLA that canonical just introduced there, it would be a great time to get it into Alpine.
2023-12-16 15:15:23 <bananicorn> *to get incus into alpine
2023-12-16 15:17:32 <somercet> bananicorn, how do you set max res for mpv/yt-dlp?
2023-12-16 15:19:03 <bananicorn> In ~/.config/mpv/mpv.conf I added this for example:
2023-12-16 15:19:16 <bananicorn> ytdl-format=bestvideo[height<=?1080][fps<=?30][vcodec!=?vp9]+bestaudio/best
2023-12-16 15:19:49 <bananicorn> somercet: Adjust to your needs, I am sure the manpages have more examples
2023-12-16 15:20:21 <bananicorn> If not in mpv then in the yt-dlp manpage
2023-12-16 15:21:45 <somercet> got it: --ytdl-raw-options=format-sort=res:720
2023-12-16 15:22:11 <somercet> 720 or lower, or the smallest of videos above 720 if nothing smaller
2023-12-16 15:22:12 <somercet> ty
2023-12-16 15:25:26 <bananicorn> I also recommend limiting fps if you still have trouble, a lot of things are available in 60fps now
2023-12-16 15:33:14 <somercet> having trouble combining res: and fps:
2023-12-16 15:39:20 <invoked> also make sure you have the gpu set up for video acceleration. i assume you have intel on low spec notebooks, so mesa-va-gallium, and probably intel-media-driver unless the notebook is old.
2023-12-16 15:39:59 <somercet> yah, I do.
2023-12-16 15:40:32 <bananicorn> somercet: You can use the config I used above, it does both as you can see :) Just adjust the numbers and remove the codec filtering if you dont care for that.
2023-12-16 15:40:34 <somercet> it's Westmere, before IntelHD
2023-12-16 15:42:58 <wolf> @ncrowl, @bananicorn, @somercet Hi, the notebook is for my wife and the other is for my father-in-law. They are laymen, they cannot use it like that. Thank you for your attention.
2023-12-16 15:53:44 <invoked> midori *might* be an option (as quote-unquote full-featured browsers go) but it's not in repo. falkon (formerly qupzilla) has been borged by kde and if it was ever lightweight, it isn't now.
2023-12-16 15:54:19 <invoked> i'm not sure netsurf can load youtube videos, i'd have to guess no.
2023-12-16 15:55:46 <invoked> midori you could try as a flatpak (but i'm not advocating anything)  https://flathub.org/apps/org.midori_browser.Midori
2023-12-16 16:35:49 <vkrishn> there is also winff, but its not packaged yet
2023-12-16 16:37:44 <vkrishn> or tiny GUI interface for mpv, that takes url/file name and starts playing
2023-12-16 16:38:25 <vkrishn> copy paste url from browser, kinda
2023-12-16 17:44:08 <minimal> livy: are you BIOS or UEFI booting?
2023-12-16 17:44:22 <minimal> bananicorn: I'm currently working on packaging incus
2023-12-16 18:02:43 <wolf> Good afternoon, is there a light music player similar to exaile?
2023-12-16 18:04:34 <dari> audacious?
2023-12-16 18:06:46 <lopid> answer was achieved, no need to hang around
2023-12-16 18:07:23 <dari> :P
2023-12-16 18:08:00 <dari> ircgpt
2023-12-16 18:12:30 <Venhal> hello, i have a raspberry-pi running alpine headless via ssh. today i wrote an open-rc script to run a program as a service. i did rc-update add <script> and rebooted. some services started, some didn't - including ssh :( i connected the rpi to monitor+keyboard, but i don't get a login or command line (just a blinking cursor).
2023-12-16 18:12:35 <Venhal> so i mounted the rpi's sd-card to my computer... i have access to some of the boot files - but i really have no clue how to stop openrc to execute the broken script.
2023-12-16 18:14:20 <Habbie> i think 'rc-update add' just makes a symlink in /etc/runlevels/sysinit
2023-12-16 18:15:01 <Habbie> i checked with strace - 'rc-update del' just removes that symlink
2023-12-16 18:15:16 <Habbie> this is in Docker so i don't know if you perhaps have other runlevels
2023-12-16 18:15:25 <Venhal> i have no access to the filesystem, just to some rpi boot files like cmdline.txt and usercfg.txt ...
2023-12-16 18:15:34 <Habbie> what kind of computer are you on/
2023-12-16 18:15:37 <Habbie> ?
2023-12-16 18:15:45 <Venhal> mac
2023-12-16 18:15:54 <Habbie> got any Linux VMs on it?
2023-12-16 18:15:58 <Habbie> or Docker Desktop?
2023-12-16 18:16:01 <Venhal> no?
2023-12-16 18:16:06 <Habbie> ok
2023-12-16 18:16:17 <Habbie> you need something that can read/write ext4 filesystems
2023-12-16 18:16:24 <Venhal> can i get access... ah!
2023-12-16 18:16:31 <Habbie> perhaps https://formulae.brew.sh/formula/ext4fuse#default
2023-12-16 18:16:39 <Habbie> if you have brew
2023-12-16 18:16:50 <Venhal> i have, i will try that! thankyou!
2023-12-16 18:16:55 <Habbie> np, good luck
2023-12-16 18:18:17 <minimal> Venhal: you didn't indicate whether you installed Alpine in run-from-ram or run-from-disk (Sys) mode....that affects what is on the SDcard
2023-12-16 18:18:47 <Venhal> i have run-from-disk
2023-12-16 18:19:59 <minimal> ok, so yes then typically the 2nd partition of the SDcard will be a ext4 rootfs (unless you specified a different filesystem)
2023-12-16 18:20:05 <Habbie> ok good
2023-12-16 18:20:09 <Habbie> i forgot about that distinction
2023-12-16 18:22:25 <Venhal> the ext4fuse description says ist read-only?
2023-12-16 18:23:27 <Habbie> oh, indeed it does
2023-12-16 18:23:28 <Habbie> sorry, missed that
2023-12-16 18:23:51 <Habbie> then we're back to "find a Linux to do it with" or "see if you can have Alpine drop you into a rescue shell"
2023-12-16 18:24:05 <Venhal> brew install ext4fuse -> Linux is required for this software (which is strange, because its a mac packet manager)
2023-12-16 18:24:09 <Habbie> or perhaps get another SD with a run-from-ram system, boot it on the Pi, then swap the SD?
2023-12-16 18:24:21 <Habbie> brew is not mac-only these days i believe
2023-12-16 18:25:23 <Venhal> so with an run-from-ram system i can remove the ssd and mount another one?
2023-12-16 18:25:33 <Habbie> well, i hope so
2023-12-16 18:25:36 <Habbie> i don't have experience with it
2023-12-16 18:25:47 <Venhal> i'll try that ;)
2023-12-16 18:26:26 <Habbie> if you have a USB SD reader, that's another option after booting anything on the Pi
2023-12-16 18:27:27 <Venhal> right! that should be working!
2023-12-16 18:31:58 <minimal> Venhal: if you boot a run-from-ram then you can remove the boot media after you've unmounted it (which may require another additional step)
2023-12-16 18:37:45 <Venhal> i booted an old sd-card with rpi OS (debian) on it and could mount the other one :) thankyou!!! have a nice time! (btw: alpine is much more fun)
2023-12-16 19:16:42 <Venhal> i missed the line "supervisor=supervise-daemon". now its fixed.
2023-12-16 19:17:09 <Habbie> ah, you used the USB way?
2023-12-16 19:17:12 <Habbie> also, nice!
2023-12-16 19:17:56 <Venhal> yes i used a small SD-card reader for USB-A
2023-12-16 19:24:14 <frag> my rpi has become sluggish, is it probably the sd (did some ffmpeg work this night)? running diskless though ..
2023-12-16 19:24:47 <frag> tetris is sluggish, and selecting text in terminal ..
2023-12-16 19:26:48 <Habbie> Venhal, great
2023-12-16 19:34:04 <bananicorn> minimal: Thanks for letting me know, i'd appreciate if you can give me a shout when it's in the repos :)
2023-12-16 19:36:53 <minimal> it'll go into testing initially and so only for Alpine Edge
2023-12-16 19:40:29 <minimal> bananicorn: BTW what's your concern about the lxd CLA? are you a contributor?
2023-12-16 19:41:10 <bananicorn> minimal: That works for me, thanks!
2023-12-16 19:48:11 <bananicorn> I am generally not a fan of CLAs, but it's not a practical issue for me since I'm not a contributor. I thought the license change is the bigger problem since it will change how it can be used in other projects, which is the main reason why I brought it up
2023-12-16 19:48:46 <Habbie> CLAs limit contribution massively
2023-12-16 19:49:15 <Habbie> however, they may allow a company to more easily make money from a project, which can in fact be good for a project
2023-12-16 19:49:25 <Habbie> it's a tough balance, i understand that some projects choose to do a CLA
2023-12-16 19:49:40 <Habbie> but I won't sign them and I know many people who won't
2023-12-16 19:55:52 <bananicorn> For context on the lxd project changes: https://stgraber.org/2023/12/12/lxd-now-re-licensed-and-under-a-cla/
2023-12-16 19:56:24 <Habbie> hah, i just read that page
2023-12-16 19:57:52 <bananicorn> In this case I don't see how this move is commercially beneficial either 😅
2023-12-16 20:08:24 <minimal> bananicorn: this might take a while to get package.....incus depends on a fork of raft where Alpine currently has the non-fork as the raft package
2023-12-16 20:10:15 <minimal> incus' build can git clone the raft fork it needs (and cowsql which I'm also looking at packaging) but that's not normally the Alpine "way", typically deps are packaged instead
2023-12-16 20:10:57 <Habbie> if you need an example for doing that, you can check the netdata port
2023-12-16 20:11:28 <Habbie> which at least does it as an APKBUILD step
2023-12-16 20:12:56 <minimal> not pretty
2023-12-16 20:13:17 <Habbie> it's not
2023-12-16 20:13:41 <Habbie> also means we missed a CVE there for a while until i noticed by accident
2023-12-16 20:13:44 <Habbie> (in h2o)
2023-12-16 20:14:53 <bananicorn> Thanks for letting me know, I see it's not trivial
2023-12-16 20:14:54 <minimal> would also mean building the raft fork, and then building cowsql which needs the raft lib, and then building incus which needs both raft and cowsql. Have to look at the incus Makefile to figure out if this is possible/easy
2023-12-16 20:15:48 <minimal> cowsql is their fork at dqlite - at least they renamed that. They kept the "raft" name for their fork of that however
2023-12-16 22:26:37 <divVerent> Dumb question: is it a known issue that YouTube won't work in chromium-120.0.6099.109-r0.9296e4c0.apk? The internal error is "Cannot select FFmpegAudioDecoder for audio decoding" when YouTube tries to use the opus codec; last good version is chromium-119.0.6045.159-r0.8155a7af.apk
2023-12-16 22:27:18 <divVerent> Currently seeing if I can make a better repro than the gigabytes of bloat YouTube is
2023-12-16 22:31:45 <divVerent> Yes, issue repo's with a simple .mp4 file containing opus I generated using ffmpeg - this one won't error but just play no sound
2023-12-16 22:33:46 <divVerent> Firefox is fine
2023-12-16 22:42:51 <ptrc> divVerent: can you host the .mp4 somewhere and open an issue on gitlab.a.o?
2023-12-16 22:43:16 <divVerent> The .mp4 I made for testing is copyrighted, gonna make a non copyrighted one first, but yeah
2023-12-16 22:43:35 <ptrc> okay, thanks :)
2023-12-16 22:43:37 <divVerent> but first setting myself up in firefox
2023-12-16 23:19:53 <divVerent> Filed as https://gitlab.alpinelinux.org/alpine/aports/-/issues/15585
2023-12-17 13:07:52 <vkrishn> textadept has a new home, https://orbitalquark.github.io/textadept/ , pls see if possible to upgrade, it can replace kwrite and maybe help in moving away from KDE
2023-12-17 13:10:02 <cristian_c> <andym48[m]> You need to recreat your .xinitrc file and add 'startlxqt'  to the end as per https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/xinit
2023-12-17 13:11:15 <cristian_c> Andre[m]1, in past, when I tried to run startlxqt (a few times), every time desktop appears but it freezes after some seconds (so, I've to apply a forced shutdown)
2023-12-17 13:11:41 <cristian_c> andym48[m], in past, when I tried to run startlxqt (a few times), every time desktop appears but it freezes after some seconds (so, I've to apply a forced shutdown)
2023-12-17 13:12:28 <cristian_c> Andre[m]1, about .xinitrc, do you mean the content has to be the following?
2023-12-17 13:12:40 <cristian_c> xscreensaver &
2023-12-17 13:12:50 <cristian_c> exec openbox-session
2023-12-17 13:13:07 <cristian_c> and appending startlxqt at the end?
2023-12-17 13:13:51 <cristian_c> andym48[m], about .xinitrc, do you mean the content has to be the following?
2023-12-17 13:13:59 <cristian_c> xscreensaver &
2023-12-17 13:14:01 <cristian_c> exec openbox-session
2023-12-17 13:14:04 <cristian_c> and appending startlxqt at the end?
2023-12-17 14:48:31 <frag> busybox top shows VSZ% very high on telegram, what could cause this? (trying to figure out why my sys has become sluggish as of late) : 19136 19129 u        S     180g2347%   3   0% telegram-desktop
2023-12-17 15:02:06 <andym48[m]> <cristian_c> "andym48, about .xinitrc, do..." <- No, read the wiki: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/xinit
2023-12-17 15:02:06 <andym48[m]> If English is not your first language let me know.
2023-12-17 15:15:18 <heat> frag, isn't telegram an electron app?
2023-12-17 15:15:47 <ptrc> tdesktop is not electron
2023-12-17 15:16:05 <ptrc> though it's a pile of Qt code that's really cursed at times
2023-12-17 15:16:34 <heat> i know electron/chromium apps normally use tons of VIRT, dunno about qt though
2023-12-17 15:17:31 <frag> yeah not electron
2023-12-17 15:18:47 <frag> i also get
2023-12-17 15:18:55 <frag> 26021 25997 u        S     170g2218%   1   0% /usr/lib/qt6/libexec/QtWebEngineProcess --type=zygote --application-name=qutebrowser --webengine-schemes=qute:lL;
2023-12-17 15:19:14 <frag> when running qutebrowser, i guess tg uses the same parts
2023-12-17 15:26:59 <frag> but even without these (heavier) apps running, the system can be sluggish..
2023-12-17 15:47:17 <frag> hmm, seems playing a video with 'mpv' that makes it sluggish tho.. even though it takes up like 10% cpu 4% vsz
2023-12-17 16:06:00 <frag> maybe using -vo xv instead of -vo gpu fixed it :S
2023-12-17 18:34:06 <jerkwad_robot> I have a second disk I am trying to add to FSTAB for my media. However, when running blkid -p /dev/sdb1, I cannot view the UUID. Also, if I just run blkid, it shows my sda partitions, but nothing on sdb. I can mount the sdb1 parition and create folders. Any thoughts?
2023-12-17 18:35:38 <jerkwad_robot> The disk is GPT and there;s only one partition which is ext4
2023-12-17 18:36:39 <minimal> jerkwad_robot: which blkid are you using? Busybox or from util-linux?
2023-12-17 18:37:12 <jerkwad_robot> that's a very good question.
2023-12-17 18:37:43 <jerkwad_robot> yep, util-linux
2023-12-17 18:38:20 <minimal> are you sure? (as Busybox blkid doesn't support "-p")
2023-12-17 18:38:45 <minimal> "blkid -V"
2023-12-17 18:38:46 <jerkwad_robot> I did blkid -V -> blkid from util-linux
2023-12-17 18:39:38 <minimal> the "-p" option takes a DEVICE, /dev/sdb1 is not a device
2023-12-17 18:40:18 <jerkwad_robot> Oh! Err, ugh. Sorry.
2023-12-17 18:40:46 <minimal> hmm, actually it does accept either, hmm, confusing lack of definition of what it means by "device"
2023-12-17 18:40:58 <jerkwad_robot> Okay, so I FSTAB would have the device UUID? How comem..... 
2023-12-17 18:41:07 <jerkwad_robot> I know right?
2023-12-17 18:41:28 <jerkwad_robot> If I just run blkid, it shows UUID's for each of my sda partitions.
2023-12-17 18:41:55 <jerkwad_robot> I am assuming it's the partition UUID that I need for FSTAB
2023-12-17 18:42:48 <jerkwad_robot> I wonder if I should uninstall the util-linux utils and try it.
2023-12-17 18:43:11 <minimal> you'd want the (filesystem) UUID, not partition UUID as you mount a filesystem, not a partition
2023-12-17 18:43:14 <ikke> No need to uninstall it
2023-12-17 18:43:22 <ikke> busybox blkid
2023-12-17 18:43:40 <jerkwad_robot> ah
2023-12-17 18:43:46 <minimal> also which "mount" are you using? Busybox or util-linux? ;-)
2023-12-17 18:44:05 <jerkwad_robot> hmm, also a good question :) 
2023-12-17 18:44:27 <jerkwad_robot> util-linux
2023-12-17 18:45:13 <jerkwad_robot> so, when I run blkid, I need to have the fs mounted?
2023-12-17 18:45:40 <minimal> nope
2023-12-17 18:45:46 <minimal> I don't believe so
2023-12-17 18:46:05 <jerkwad_robot> Okay. So I ran busybox blkid and it gave me the UUID for /dev/sdb1
2023-12-17 18:46:17 <jerkwad_robot> it also shows the fs type, which the other does not.
2023-12-17 18:46:43 <minimal> and if you run "blkid /dev/sdb1" (i.e. without "-p") what happens?
2023-12-17 18:47:45 <jerkwad_robot> no data returned.  No error. Just goes back to the cmdline
2023-12-17 18:48:24 <jerkwad_robot> but busybox blkid /dev/sdb1
2023-12-17 18:48:28 <jerkwad_robot> works
2023-12-17 18:51:10 <minimal> how did you create the GPT label and the partition and format the filesystem partition?
2023-12-17 19:00:00 <jerkwad_robot> I used cfdisk
2023-12-17 19:00:47 <jerkwad_robot> Actually, I used cfdisk for the GPT label and partitioning (Linux Filesystem). Then I used mkfs.ext4
2023-12-17 19:02:27 <jerkwad_robot> Something to note. This disk was, at one point, part of a zfs pool. So before I did this stuff I used wipefs and sgdisk to blow everything away
2023-12-17 19:08:45 <minimal> I just added a 2nd disk ot a VM, used cfdisk to GPT partition and created a single part, then mkfs.ext4 for format it and "blkid /dev/sdb1" shows UUID,BLOCK_SIZE,TYPE, and PARTUUID fine
2023-12-17 19:09:24 <minimal> this was on a Alpine Edge VM
2023-12-17 19:10:05 <jerkwad_robot> Hmm
2023-12-17 19:12:09 <jerkwad_robot> Thanks for testing. I am using latest-stable. I must've messed something up. I just added it to fstab and tried mount -a. - "Could not find UUID xxx". Busybox mount -a worked mounted it.
2023-12-17 19:12:33 <jerkwad_robot> I am kind of afraid to reboot :)
2023-12-17 19:13:20 <jerkwad_robot> are you using the util-linux version?
2023-12-17 19:14:17 <minimal> of blkid, yes
2023-12-17 19:14:45 <minimal> though "busybox blkid /dev/sdb1" also shows the UUID
2023-12-17 19:19:55 <minimal> "mount -a" using util-linux mount also worked fine - obviously if "blkid" isn't working right then mount won't work right
2023-12-17 19:21:57 <jerkwad_robot> okay
2023-12-17 19:22:07 <jerkwad_robot> yeah.
2023-12-17 19:22:55 <minimal> util-linux "mount" uses libmount which uses libblkid (which is also used by blkid)
2023-12-17 19:23:35 <jerkwad_robot> So on reboot, do I need to do anything special to makes sure the busybox versions of these utils are what's used to mount my system?
2023-12-17 19:23:52 <minimal> remove the non-Busybox versions
2023-12-17 19:24:19 <jerkwad_robot> Yeah, okay. I am going to do that now. Thx
2023-12-17 19:24:26 <minimal> normally the Busybox versions are used, one you install "full fat" versions then they are used instead of Busybox
2023-12-17 19:31:11 <jerkwad_robot> success (without util-linux)
2023-12-17 19:32:30 <minimal> and if you now do "apk add blkid; blkid /dev/sdb1" does it work?
2023-12-17 19:32:59 <jerkwad_robot> let me try... sec
2023-12-17 19:34:17 <jerkwad_robot> so, blkid is available without installing. It only shows the my dev/sdaX filesystems. Let me do the apk add
2023-12-17 19:35:07 <jerkwad_robot> does not show anything
2023-12-17 19:35:19 <minimal> if "blkid" package is not installed then running "blkid" will run Busybox blkid
2023-12-17 19:35:48 <jerkwad_robot> Got it. I did the apk add blkid and it also shows nothing when running your command
2023-12-17 19:35:58 <jerkwad_robot> kicks right back to the shell
2023-12-17 19:36:20 <minimal> so now you're saying neither Busybox nor util-linux blkid is showing /dev/sdb1
2023-12-17 19:36:31 <jerkwad_robot> yep
2023-12-17 19:36:51 <minimal> makes no sense
2023-12-17 19:36:53 <jerkwad_robot> but, I ran it before and it worked. 
2023-12-17 19:37:13 <minimal> this is a Sys-mode install of Alpine, right?
2023-12-17 19:37:14 <jerkwad_robot> let me go through my command history again. One of them worked. :)
2023-12-17 19:37:45 <jerkwad_robot> Yes. I booted from USB and ran he alpine-install (or w/e)
2023-12-17 19:38:12 <minimal> setup-disk?
2023-12-17 19:38:21 <minimal> or setup-alpine?
2023-12-17 19:38:34 <jerkwad_robot> Oh, the command that worked was blkid directing it at /dev/sdb
2023-12-17 19:38:44 <jerkwad_robot> setup-alpine
2023-12-17 19:38:54 <jerkwad_robot> ... uh oh
2023-12-17 19:38:57 <minimal> and you selected Sys-mode in setup-alpine?
2023-12-17 19:39:03 <jerkwad_robot> yes
2023-12-17 19:39:22 <minimal> blkid /dev/sdb? not blkid /dev/sdb1?
2023-12-17 19:39:44 <jerkwad_robot> Correct. blkid works for the /sdb, not for sdb1
2023-12-17 19:39:55 <minimal> which blkid? busybox or util-linux?
2023-12-17 19:40:00 <xgpt> Hey! Just curious. Is there a way of doing a PPA-like self-hosted repo for alpine? For distributing my own software to certain alpine builds?
2023-12-17 19:40:33 <minimal> xgpt: you can set up your own local repo, I do so for stuff I'm working on
2023-12-17 19:40:35 <xgpt> also would it be possible to restrict access to said self-hosted repo with some kind of authentication mechanism?
2023-12-17 19:40:48 <jerkwad_robot> I just tried it with util-linux and it returned the UUID for sdb
2023-12-17 19:40:52 <xgpt> minimal is it possible to require a password or preferably check against a user key?
2023-12-17 19:41:07 <xgpt> like for...subscriptions to said software?
2023-12-17 19:41:20 <minimal> xgpt: not sure what exactly asking. I have my own local repo at home which is therefore not accessible to anyone else
2023-12-17 19:42:18 <xgpt> basically my idea is each client would generate a client ID / key, and then I would host a repo on the web somewhere, like a cheap VPS or something. I would have alpine embedded on certain devices and it would phone home to my personal repo for software updates, but it would only GET said update if their client ID is current on subscriptions 
2023-12-17 19:42:24 <minimal> jerkwad_robot: you mean it returned the **PTUUID*, not UUID, for /dev/sdb (as sdb is a partition it can't have a (filesystem) UUID)
2023-12-17 19:43:04 <minimal> xgpt: apk doesn't support anything like that AFAIK
2023-12-17 19:43:04 <jerkwad_robot> minimal, correct. Sorry.
2023-12-17 19:43:06 <xgpt> I think RHEL obviously has some sort of subscription mechanism in place to allow/deny users
2023-12-17 19:43:16 <xgpt> oh that's too bad :(
2023-12-17 19:44:04 <xgpt> would it be possible to distribute software via RPM or apt to an alpine target?
2023-12-17 19:44:29 <minimal> xgpt: how would that manage dependancies?
2023-12-17 19:44:32 <xgpt> I see that rpm and apt are both in repo
2023-12-17 19:44:51 <xgpt> minimal that's an excellent question that I don't have an answer for
2023-12-17 19:45:02 <ikke> and conflicts
2023-12-17 19:45:09 <Habbie> nothing stops you from using that rpm binary to install a .rpm
2023-12-17 19:45:10 <xgpt> surely someone distributes software to clients on FOSS based OS right?
2023-12-17 19:45:13 <Habbie> but apk wouldn't know about it
2023-12-17 19:45:20 <xgpt> understood that apt wouldn't know about it
2023-12-17 19:45:25 <xgpt> *apk wouldn't know about it
2023-12-17 19:45:31 <xgpt> man that autocorrect is nasty 
2023-12-17 19:46:04 <minimal> xgpt: I guess one way to do that in past was to provide a VM, these days to provide docker containers ;-)
2023-12-17 19:46:42 <xgpt> that just sounds so *bloated*
2023-12-17 19:46:44 <xgpt> blech
2023-12-17 19:47:11 <minimal> xgpt: it does give a degree of "isolation" though - which avoid dependancy/conflicts etc type issues
2023-12-17 19:48:08 <minimal> things like gitea AFAIK let you set up Alpine repos, I don't know if they provide any form of access control however
2023-12-17 19:51:15 <minimal> jerkwad_robot: no idea what's going on with your machine. It doesn't make sense
2023-12-17 19:51:56 <xgpt> minimal https://docs.gitea.com/next/usage/packages/alpine#configuring-the-package-registry
2023-12-17 19:51:58 <xgpt> wowwwww
2023-12-17 19:52:02 <xgpt> that's too simple
2023-12-17 19:52:07 <jerkwad_robot> minimal, thanks for your help. I may take a shot at another disk just to see if it's hw related. At least it auto mounts now 
2023-12-17 19:52:54 <minimal> I don't understand how it mounts if neither Busybox blkid nor util-linux blkid is showing the UUID
2023-12-17 19:53:36 <xgpt> I was struggling with the busy box mounting a few days ago, for some reason the UUID was working but the PARTUUID didn't work. I can't explain *why* it works 
2023-12-17 19:54:15 <minimal> xgpt: from memory technically MSBOS/MBR partitioned drives do NOT have a PARTUUID, only GPT partitioned ones
2023-12-17 19:54:50 <minimal> (some of) the tools "invent" a PARTUUID for MSDOS/MBR partitioned drives
2023-12-17 19:54:52 <xgpt> I'm not sure if my drives were MBR or GPT
2023-12-17 19:55:09 <xgpt> I'll look at that if I need to play with it again
2023-12-17 19:55:49 <dari> jerkwad_robot: how you creating partition/fs on that second disk? using Alpine?
2023-12-17 19:56:17 <minimal> dari: he already indicated he used cfdisk and mkfs.ext4
2023-12-17 19:56:32 <dari> yes but what he used? ALpine distro or other?
2023-12-17 19:56:37 <minimal> which I replicated but did not see the same problem
2023-12-17 19:56:49 <minimal> he said Alpine
2023-12-17 19:57:43 <dari> I had many times some weird partitioning issues on Alpine when I could make gpt or mbr stuff in for example cfdisk, and after run fdisk -l I didn't see any partition at all, or sometimes only one...
2023-12-17 20:01:21 <minimal> there are various utils like partprobe, partx, etc that can be used to manually notify the kernel about partitions
2023-12-17 20:01:53 <minimal> however I expect the partitioning tool to do so automatically (and then "dmesg" output should show the new kernel)
2023-12-17 20:02:29 <minimal> I guess I was assuming that jerkwad_robot had already checked this (and that the /dev/sdb1 device file actually existed)
2023-12-17 20:02:47 <dari> I was doing cfdisk -z /dev/sdb, create 2 partitions so got sdb1 and sdb2, after that fdisk -l show nothing (it was random)
2023-12-17 20:04:09 <dari> then run cfdisk again and it shows sdb1 and sdb2 but somehow cant even mount that..., after reboot disk table was changed to mbr or gpt but no partitions at all
2023-12-17 20:04:50 <dari> happened to me on different disks and even in VM and not every run, random as hell
2023-12-17 20:07:10 <dari> but setup-alpine/disk always working fine, but when doing some partition stuff manualy with cfdisk, fdisk, parted in Alpine is for me unpredictable
2023-12-17 20:09:15 <minimal> dari: "but somehow cant even mount that" - you didn't mentioned formatting either partition so obviously they couldn't be mounted ;-)
2023-12-17 20:11:13 <dari> well, I couldn't since never exist
2023-12-17 20:12:02 <minimal> so then why try to mount unformatted non-existent partitions? of course that wouldn't work
2023-12-17 20:12:16 <Risk64> try to look up dmesg or use strace on fdisk to see where the ioctl failed (that updates kernel partition table).
2023-12-17 20:13:10 <Risk64> on the other hand... when after restart its still not there it might be something else.
2023-12-17 20:13:47 <minimal> Risk64: I mentioned "dmesg" already
2023-12-17 20:14:13 <dari> minimal: I don't remember when I reach the point that wanted mount that, cus sometimes one partition was success to create, mk file system on it when another couldn't etc etc, were to many random stuff
2023-12-17 20:14:35 <Risk64> then try strace
2023-12-17 20:14:38 <dari> but point is to try make those partition in any other distribution and check if will be again problem with UUID in Alpine
2023-12-17 20:15:28 <minimal> dari: you're describing possible Alpine problems so shouldn't the "point" be to work out what is going wrong in Alpine rather than to create the partitions/filesystems elsewhere?
2023-12-17 20:15:38 <dari> I gave up on Alpine as a live rescue distro exactly because of that :\
2023-12-17 20:16:02 <dari> minimal: to check if blkid is wrong or partitioning
2023-12-17 20:16:20 <minimal> dari: I remember having new-partition-discovery issues on at least 1 other distro in the past
2023-12-17 20:16:39 <minimal> dari: "check if blkid is wrong" - which blkid? Busybox or util-linux?
2023-12-17 20:16:55 <minimal> you need to narrow down the problem
2023-12-17 20:18:31 <dari> maybe jerkwad_robot got problem with partitioning in Alpine and that is why blkid (doesnt matter which bb or util one) dont wanna return anything
2023-12-17 20:20:36 <minimal> dari: he earlier said that Busybox blkid WAS giving correct output
2023-12-17 20:20:53 <minimal> which seemed to point to the partitioning being ok
2023-12-17 20:25:42 <dari> minimal: ah ok
2023-12-17 22:22:02 <cristian_c> andym48[m], language it's not the problem, I mean what do you want me to point about https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/xinit#xinitrc exactly?
2023-12-17 22:36:22 <nekocentral> What is required to bring back a package that was recently removed from the repo´s and also get it out of testing
2023-12-17 22:45:46 <jerkwad_robot> dari, yes, via Alpine. I used cfdisk to create the part and mkfs.ext4 
2023-12-17 22:48:56 <jerkwad_robot> I never got any errors when partitioning in Alpine. I actually wiped the disk and created the partition in cfdisk and then in fdisk just to see if there was a difference
2023-12-17 22:57:25 <jerkwad_robot> Here is what I have going on currently just for clarification. I have rebooted with my second disk (dev/sdb) added in fstab, and it is mounted where I want it (dev/sdb1 > mnt/Media). When I run the busybox blkid (doas) it returns ONLY the UUID's for the sda filesystems. 
2023-12-17 22:58:31 <jerkwad_robot> Ugh, wait a second. The blkid shows it's still the util-linux version. But I ran apk del to get rid of them. Let me run it again.
2023-12-17 23:00:07 <jerkwad_robot> Going to reboot, brb
2023-12-18 02:01:51 <jerkwad_robot> Okay, this is embarrassing. I found my issue with lsblk and blkid. I am using alacritty, and apparently remote commands don't play well without some additional work on the host.
2023-12-18 02:02:14 <jerkwad_robot> Using the default terminal does everything I expect it to.
2023-12-18 03:12:36 <piku> Hi all..  I have some older code that gcc is protesting...   *(p ++) = *(p ++) = 0;  Can anyone explain the intended effect here?
2023-12-18 03:12:58 <piku> is it basically *p++ = 0; *p++ = 0; ?
2023-12-18 03:13:25 <piku> oh wrong channel!  sorry
2023-12-18 05:38:19 <ahmadraniri[m]> Hello,after upgrade from 3.18 to 3.19 I got notification about md5sum is missing blablabla, every time I reboot or boot alpine. The systemis running fine actually. Should I be worry about tha? Thanks.
2023-12-18 05:49:54 <Justin[m]> <ahmadraniri[m]> "Hello,after upgrade from 3.18 to..." <- It'll probably be easier to diagnose if you expand on the blablabla.
2023-12-18 06:06:31 <ahmadraniri[m]> Justin : oh my bad, sorry. It's actually "md5sum is missing, which suggests /usr is not mounted, if you have separate /usr, it must be mounted by initramfs, if not, you should check coreutils is installed correctly"
2023-12-18 07:29:25 <andym48[m]> So you have read that:... (full message at <https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/v3/download/matrix.org/rVUwoIgEQIWnfONKwzYfMpIB>)
2023-12-18 07:31:12 <andym48[m]> * cristian_c So you
2023-12-18 07:33:14 <andym48[m]> * cristian_c : So you
2023-12-18 08:09:54 <ncopa> good morning! if you are upgrading and see that ifupdown-ng-openrc gets uninstalled, then please run `apk fix openrc` to fix the networking init.d script
2023-12-18 08:19:57 <ikke> morning
2023-12-18 09:37:21 <wOLfR91> Hi
2023-12-18 09:38:06 <wOLfR91> My first time using this system, is there a recommended Hardened guide?
2023-12-18 09:38:46 <wOLfR91> Which one is better Aipine or Artix?
2023-12-18 09:41:44 <pj> neither
2023-12-18 09:42:24 <wOLfR91> 0__0
2023-12-18 09:42:31 <wOLfR91> what?
2023-12-18 09:42:59 <pj> it's like asking "Which one is better, Apples or Oranges?"
2023-12-18 09:43:08 <wOLfR91> .... no
2023-12-18 09:43:13 <lopid> oranges
2023-12-18 09:43:23 <pj> so you hate apples huh
2023-12-18 09:43:33 <wOLfR91> I love Microsoft
2023-12-18 09:43:44 <wOLfR91> Google Best
2023-12-18 09:44:45 <wOLfR91> I'm serious, I've been looking at the differences between aipine and artix, which is more secure with init and openrc
2023-12-18 09:45:30 <wOLfR91> Hardened Alpine VS Hardened Artix?
2023-12-18 09:46:14 <wOLfR91> Whether there is an officially recommended and certified security hardware device from Alpine can be purchased
2023-12-18 09:46:50 <pj> I doubt there is any officially recommended device at all
2023-12-18 09:47:21 <wOLfR91> You're an expert at Alpine here, right?
2023-12-18 09:47:49 <pj> I wouldn't call myself an expert, I've just been here quite long and do few things
2023-12-18 09:48:12 <wOLfR91> You are too modest....
2023-12-18 09:48:45 <pj> nah, I'm being realistic :)
2023-12-18 09:49:03 <wOLfR91> XD
2023-12-18 09:49:10 <pj> Plenty more people that can be called experts that deserve such title more than me
2023-12-18 09:49:51 <wOLfR91> Those who claim to be experts, are usually scammers lol, but I'm sure you are
2023-12-18 09:52:17 <pj> As for the "which one is better" question, the answer is always "it depends"
2023-12-18 09:53:17 <wOLfR91> lol yes I want that extreme answer
2023-12-18 09:53:18 <pj> There is so much differences and crucial details that matter and the fact each has different target that it's impossible to answer simply
2023-12-18 09:53:34 <pj> Thing is, you should ask specific questions
2023-12-18 09:53:48 <pj> No one is going to bother to write pages long essay about each distro
2023-12-18 09:54:13 <wOLfR91> Oh my God, you have spoken the truth
2023-12-18 09:55:11 <ptrc> ..tempted to just put the question into chatgpt and paste whatever it outputs, so i don't accidentally put too much effort
2023-12-18 09:55:34 <wOLfR91> LOLOLOL
2023-12-18 09:56:14 <frojnd> Hi there.
2023-12-18 09:56:27 <frojnd> I just did apk-upgrade only to see there is 3.19.0 out...
2023-12-18 09:56:36 <frojnd> And it says on the site I should use apk upgrade --available
2023-12-18 09:56:48 <ptrc> but yes, it wouldn't make much sense to compare two distros without a specific use case or some mroe context
2023-12-18 09:56:52 <ptrc> s/mroe/more/
2023-12-18 09:57:16 <frojnd> Did I mess somthing up? (my first upgrade during the 2 months of alpine usage)
2023-12-18 09:57:59 <pj> Did you update /etc/apk/repositories to use 3.19.0?
2023-12-18 09:58:11 <ptrc> frojnd: if you upgraded to 3.19 with that, you can just repeat the upgrade with -a, all it would do is replace any packages that have the same version but differ
2023-12-18 09:58:22 <frojnd> pj: at fist I tried to just update my repos but I got errors so I ran doas setup-repositories
2023-12-18 09:58:31 <frojnd> And I chose to use the fastest one let me check
2023-12-18 09:58:45 <frojnd> Fuck
2023-12-18 09:58:47 <pj> (or latest-stable)
2023-12-18 09:58:48 <frojnd> it have me edge
2023-12-18 09:58:57 <frojnd> https://duckduckgo.com/?hps=1&q=
2023-12-18 09:59:01 <frojnd> https://pkg.adfinis.com/alpine/edge/main
2023-12-18 09:59:33 <frojnd> So I guess it switched to edge, :s wasn't careful enough
2023-12-18 10:00:45 <pj> I don't know if setup-apkrepos handles versions
2023-12-18 10:02:12 <frojnd> pj: no but it added edge repo and I wasn't careful enough and ran upgrade afterwards..
2023-12-18 10:02:44 <pj> I just edit the file by hand :) it's easier and faster
2023-12-18 10:03:38 <pj> You can remove the edge and do apk upgrade -a which should put you in proper state
2023-12-18 10:04:06 <pj> 3.19 was released just recently which shouldn't make much fuss with downgrading
2023-12-18 10:05:29 <frojnd> pj: without rebooting first?
2023-12-18 10:05:36 <frojnd> It upgraded kernel and everything
2023-12-18 10:06:56 <frojnd> pj: my repositires look like this now: https://termbin.com/1p95 have manually replaced edge with 3.19
2023-12-18 10:07:07 <frojnd> So now I just ran apk update and apk upgrade -a ?
2023-12-18 10:07:23 <pj> yes
2023-12-18 10:07:29 <pj> or apk upgrade -aU
2023-12-18 10:07:42 <pj> (which updates the indexes)
2023-12-18 10:08:36 <frojnd> can't see -U in apk-ugrae 8
2023-12-18 10:08:49 <frojnd> can't see -U in man apk-upgrade 8
2023-12-18 10:09:19 <pj> it's a global option
2023-12-18 10:12:11 <frojnd> OK I ran upgrade -a and then again upgrade -aU
2023-12-18 10:12:26 <frojnd> Will this replace indexes? If I ran -U afterwards?
2023-12-18 10:12:51 <frojnd> I just got a few downgrades
2023-12-18 10:12:59 <frojnd> kernel and major packages just replacing
2023-12-18 10:13:02 <frojnd> which is phew ok
2023-12-18 10:21:58 <frojnd> Hm
2023-12-18 10:22:11 <frojnd> I think colors or theme is foo after upgrade
2023-12-18 10:37:00 <frojnd> Just foot
2023-12-18 10:37:02 <frojnd> :)
2023-12-18 10:49:19 <wOLfR91> Is it possible to implement UEFI security activation in Alpine?
2023-12-18 11:15:55 <Ermine> what does that mean
2023-12-18 11:24:19 <frojnd> What am I doing wrong for foot terminal not recognizing DejaVu Sans as mono? ls -l /usr/share/fonts/dejavu gives me mono fonts: https://termbin.com/67uc yet foot when st arging gives me:  DejaVu Sans: font does not appear to be monospace; check your config and my foot just have this: font=font=DejaVu Sans mono:size=9
2023-12-18 11:24:40 <frojnd> And my fonts are all weird because of that
2023-12-18 11:24:44 <ptrc> frojnd: DejaVu Sans is not monospace :p
2023-12-18 11:24:59 <ptrc> there's DejaVu Sans Mono though
2023-12-18 11:25:07 <ptrc> a separate font
2023-12-18 11:25:46 <ptrc> ah, wait, maybe you need the Mono to be capitalised..?
2023-12-18 11:25:47 <frojnd> Ah
2023-12-18 11:26:34 <frojnd> nah all the same
2023-12-18 11:26:39 <ptrc> `font = DejaVu Sans Mono:size=12` works for me
2023-12-18 11:26:48 <ptrc> https://ptrc.gay/WOrEAzag
2023-12-18 11:28:19 <frojnd> Hm... after writing with spaces it worked: font = DejaVu Sans Mono:size=9 
2023-12-18 11:28:30 <frojnd> Before it was font=Dejavu Sans Mono:size=9
2023-12-18 11:28:37 <frojnd> Thank you
2023-12-18 11:41:22 <dari> frojnd: you can use command "fc-list" to check which name of font is correct
2023-12-18 13:07:18 <frojnd> dari: oh thank you! 
2023-12-18 13:47:03 <ham5urg> What's a correct approach to script an alpine-installation? Are there any examples on github?
2023-12-18 14:56:38 <fluix> ham5urg: you could use an answerfile with alpine-setup: https://wiki.alpinelinux.org/wiki/Alpine_setup_scripts
2023-12-18 15:24:29 <ncopa> i would say it is to use tiny-cloud nowadays
2023-12-18 15:42:18 <ham5urg> I'll take a look into both, thanks
2023-12-18 15:43:11 <minimal> ham5urg: or else you automate the creation of disk image(s) of already installed Alpine ;-)
2023-12-18 15:43:51 <ham5urg> At first I was missing something like debootstrap.
2023-12-18 15:44:35 <minimal> ham5urg: you can use apk to install a base Alpine into a directory and then chroot into it - that would be similar to debootstrap
2023-12-18 16:02:49 <fluix> of course searching tiny-cloud leads to a WYSIWYG editor with AI integration...
2023-12-18 16:16:33 <ham5urg> https://gitlab.alpinelinux.org/alpine/cloud/tiny-cloud#tiny-cloud
2023-12-18 16:22:11 <fluix> thanks
2023-12-18 16:40:19 <ham5urg> Is Alpine bitperfect in that sense, the apk add/remove packages will lead to the same files on the harddisk (unlike debian)?
2023-12-18 16:48:37 <frojnd> Ha, v3.19 adds raspberry pi 5 support ;) nice
2023-12-18 16:49:00 <frojnd> Can I build a cluster with 2 raspberry 5s ?
2023-12-18 16:58:24 <fossdd> hey, is there any way to "ping" a maintainer of a package to update a package? i rely on a newer version and already flagged on 2023-12-08
2023-12-18 16:58:52 <fossdd> i could install it with flatpak. but i'd rather be flatpak-free.
2023-12-18 17:07:36 <minimal> ham5urg: "Is Alpine bitperfect in that sense" - what do you mean?
2023-12-18 17:43:17 <ham5urg> minimal, when I add and later remove some packages, will any file be removed from the filesystem as if it was never installed?
2023-12-18 17:43:58 <ham5urg> Or can I get a "fresh-like" installation just by removing any manual added packages?
2023-12-18 17:44:56 <invoked> i'm confused by your phrasing
2023-12-18 17:45:56 <minimal> also confused
2023-12-18 17:47:52 <ham5urg> A Debian-installation will - with many packages added and removed - bloat up as not each dependency-package will get removed.
2023-12-18 17:47:52 <ham5urg> Sorry, not eng is not my mother-tongue. 
2023-12-18 17:48:00 <minimal> what file(s)? those previously installed by a package that you then did a "apk del" on? those that were originally on the filesystem *before* you installed & then deleted any additional packages?
2023-12-18 17:48:34 <minimal> package != file
2023-12-18 17:48:57 <invoked> i believe ham5urg is asking whether apk leaves orphaned dependencies of packages that were removed
2023-12-18 17:49:27 <ham5urg> Yes, and if files in /etc will get autoremoved
2023-12-18 17:49:46 <minimal> ham5urg: what files in /etc ?
2023-12-18 17:50:47 <ham5urg> e.g.: file _y of removed package_Y in /etc 
2023-12-18 17:51:33 <ham5urg>  /etc/file_y of removed package_Y
2023-12-18 17:52:03 <ham5urg> In Debian such files will often still reside after removing its package
2023-12-18 17:55:06 <minimal> that's not a simple question to answer........especially if you have locally modified config files and the package also contained that/those files (in which case it will typically NOT replace the file upon install but rather create a new file with .apk-new suffix which a "apk del" will later not remove AFAIK
2023-12-18 18:03:37 <ham5urg> I see, can I force the removal of such an modified config file under /etc when invoking apk del ..? So to never get into the situation to create a .apk-new file upon reinstallation.
2023-12-18 18:06:18 <minimal> why not test yourself?
2023-12-18 18:09:05 <ham5urg> I did read the manual but could not find a switch for that.
2023-12-18 18:20:58 <minimal> I'm not suggesting that there is a switch, rather that you experiment regarding your various questions instead of asking questions here that most people don't know authorative answers to
2023-12-18 18:34:12 <orchardstreet22> this says not to use https://wiki.alpinelinux.org/wiki/Full_disk_encryption_secure_boot for a full-disk encryption tutorial
2023-12-18 18:34:20 <orchardstreet22> but seems the most up-to-date
2023-12-18 18:35:18 <orchardstreet22> was there something that superceded that page tho?
2023-12-18 18:36:25 <minimal> well basically GRUB LUKSv2 booting doesn't work until Grub 2.12 is eventually released
2023-12-18 18:37:16 <orchardstreet22> but that should probably be fine for luksv1 i hope
2023-12-18 18:37:21 <orchardstreet22> it seems accurate
2023-12-18 18:37:32 <minimal> yes LUKSv1 works for existing Grub
2023-12-18 18:38:12 <minimal> you just need to make sure you specify the luks version when you encrypt the disk/partition as it defaults to Luksv2 (from memory)
2023-12-18 20:21:09 <orchardstreet22> cryptsetup -v -c aes-xts-plain64 -s 512 --hash sha512 --pbkdf pbkdf2 --iter-time 1000 --use-random --type luks1 luksFormat /dev/nvme0n1p2
2023-12-18 20:21:19 <orchardstreet22> should work I guess
2023-12-18 20:22:14 <orchardstreet22> thx
2023-12-18 20:25:26 <minimal> orchardstreet22: --pbkdf is a LUKSv2 option AFAIK
2023-12-18 20:27:04 <orchardstreet22> hmm i used it and it didn't complain but it also took like 0 time to encrypt
2023-12-18 20:27:53 <orchardstreet22> which was not what i'm used to
2023-12-18 20:27:58 <orchardstreet22> might redo it without that option
2023-12-18 20:32:21 <scorpion2185[m]> where is located stat bin?
2023-12-18 20:33:35 <scorpion2185[m]> not in /sbin and /usr/bin
2023-12-18 20:34:50 <scorpion2185[m]> there are a lot of files with stat in the name
2023-12-18 20:35:14 <bl4ckb0ne> use `which stat`
2023-12-18 20:36:05 <scorpion2185[m]> i don't have the path with stat hence the question
2023-12-18 20:36:45 <scorpion2185[m]> can someone run that?
2023-12-18 20:39:18 <bl4ckb0ne> its in /bin
2023-12-18 20:39:35 <bl4ckb0ne> file is owned by coreutils
2023-12-18 20:41:15 <scorpion2185[m]> i guess it is time to restore rsynch backup
2023-12-18 20:41:37 <scorpion2185[m]> do I run rm -rf * ? and then rsync...
2023-12-18 20:41:45 <scorpion2185[m]> s/rsynch/rsync/
2023-12-18 20:44:48 <scorpion2185[m]> that will take time instead i guess I can use mkfs.ext4 /dev/.. right?
2023-12-18 20:47:01 <scorpion2185[m]> (from chroot or Live usb etc.)
2023-12-18 21:19:58 <cristian_c> <andym48[m]> So you have read that:... (full message at <https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/v3/download/matrix.org/rVUwoIgEQIWnfONKwzYfMpIB>)
2023-12-18 21:21:18 <cristian_c> I don't understand. Do you mean I've to create .xinitrc with the same content as /etc/X11/xinit/xinitrc, adding startlxqt at the end?
2023-12-18 23:52:05 <orchardstreet22> "Create a /root/grub-pre.cfg and replace <XXXX-UUID_WITHOUT_HYPHENS> with your encrypted lvm partition UUID (here /dev/nvme0n1p2) without hyphens, replace <YYYY> with VG UUID from vgdisplay and replace <ZZZZ> with LV UUID from lvdisplay of your /dev/vg0/root"
2023-12-18 23:52:12 <orchardstreet22> https://wiki.alpinelinux.org/wiki/Full_disk_encryption_secure_boot#Configuring_Secure_Boot
2023-12-18 23:52:30 <orchardstreet22> should <YYYY> and <ZZZZ> contain hyphens?
2023-12-19 00:59:49 <minimal> orchartstreet22: if you're creating LUKSv1 you shouldn't have to do all that sort of stuff. I've never used/created a "grub-pre.cfg" file
2023-12-19 02:18:41 <invoked> at the top of that page: "Disclaimer : this is not to be followed, only for testing purposes."
2023-12-19 02:19:38 <invoked> and yeah, i've never done that grub-pre.cfg thing either
2023-12-19 05:48:50 <orchardstreet22> oh there's an option for full disk encryption in the installer
2023-12-19 05:49:00 <orchardstreet22> why'd i manually do it
2023-12-19 05:50:43 <orchardstreet22> guess the manual partitioning was worth it
2023-12-19 07:03:52 <andym48[m]> <cristian_c> "I don't understand. Do you..." <- You need to read what I write:
2023-12-19 07:03:52 <andym48[m]> > delete any .xinitrc you have in your home directory and run startx. If you do not get a basic window with the clock and terminal in it then X is not correctly installed
2023-12-19 07:03:52 <andym48[m]> After that, assuming all is well, we move to the next step
2023-12-19 15:34:39 <minimal> orchardstreet22: you can manually partition & mount and then run the setup-disk installer
2023-12-19 18:46:55 <frag> putting something in backgroup with ^z, then 'bg' then killing terminal, it keeps going, is it possible to put it in fg in new terminal or some other way?
2023-12-19 18:47:44 <frag> using busybox ash btw
2023-12-19 18:52:48 <lopid> i always forget the name of it. reptor or something like that
2023-12-19 18:54:35 <frag> thought the job would be killed with the termninal, has that never been the case?
2023-12-19 18:55:57 <lopid> i think it depends
2023-12-19 18:58:31 <frag> mhm
2023-12-19 19:04:00 <lopid> it could be disowned
2023-12-19 19:05:09 <lopid> or just otherwise ignore sighup
2023-12-19 19:05:38 <lopid> reptr, something like that. ffs
2023-12-19 19:06:21 <lopid> other than the obvious: run it in screen or tmux, of course
2023-12-19 19:06:23 <Habbie> reptyr
2023-12-19 19:06:26 <lopid> ahh
2023-12-19 19:06:36 <Habbie> it re-pty-s things
2023-12-19 19:06:39 <Habbie> the re-pty-er
2023-12-19 19:06:47 <Habbie> eh, re-pty-r
2023-12-19 19:07:05 <lopid> less chance of remembering that. going to write it down this time!
2023-12-19 19:07:10 <Habbie> :)
2023-12-19 19:07:34 <Habbie> if you remember that it reattaches to a pty, it becomes easy. apt search pty | grep ^re (don't have an apk nearby) for example
2023-12-19 19:07:57 <frag> hoping to use basic utils, didnt disown, just ^z/bg .. tried 'sleep' and 'mpv' both continued after killing the terminal (tried st and xterm)
2023-12-19 19:09:05 <lopid> i was looking for resume, process, terminal…
2023-12-19 19:11:00 <lopid> it's more your shell sending sighup, which can be ignored
2023-12-19 19:11:48 <frag> i thiiiink i tried bash too
2023-12-19 19:12:15 <lopid> it's in the bash man
2023-12-19 19:12:18 <frag> mhmhmm
2023-12-19 19:12:32 <lopid> a-yup
2023-12-19 19:15:56 <frag> ahh, zsh kills it when killing the shell..
2023-12-19 19:16:07 <frag> used zsh before..
2023-12-19 19:37:02 <john3d> hi. i would like to use a splashscreen at the boot of alpine. can someone explain a simple way to me?
2023-12-19 19:39:14 <minimal> bootloader splash screen or initramfs splash screen?
2023-12-19 19:39:55 <john3d> minimal: initramfs
2023-12-19 19:40:08 <minimal> there is configuration support there for fbsplash
2023-12-19 19:41:40 <Crocodillian> I'm trying to install on zfs, I did `apk add zfs` but `modprobe zfs` says no such module.
2023-12-19 19:41:58 <Crocodillian> I'm booted into the install stick.
2023-12-19 19:43:16 <john3d> minimal: thanks...i will have a look at fbsplash
2023-12-19 19:44:52 <minimal> john3d: you'd have to have fbsplash present in your initramfs, have a suitable image on the boot media, and have the cmdline passed by the bootloader set appropriately
2023-12-19 19:46:43 <minimal> Crocodillian: are you using the Standard or Extended Alpine image? I believe ZFS is only present in the Extended image
2023-12-19 19:47:35 <Crocodillian> Looks like I need the zfs-lts package, but I accidentally installed the packages from edge and I need to install them from 3.18, how do I delete everything I installed
2023-12-19 19:48:25 <pj> remove edge repo and apk fix
2023-12-19 19:49:53 <Crocodillian> gives me a bunch of apk unavailable
2023-12-19 19:50:07 <Crocodillian> how do I see the list of installed packages
2023-12-19 19:51:31 <Crocodillian> apk list -I
2023-12-19 19:53:27 <minimal> Crocodillian: did you see my previous post?
2023-12-19 19:53:40 <minimal> zfs-lts is part of the Extended Alpine image
2023-12-19 19:53:47 <Crocodillian> I did yes, thank you
2023-12-19 19:54:02 <Crocodillian> I think I have the regular stick, but I should be able to just install zfs-lts
2023-12-19 19:54:15 <minimal> Sys-mode (disk) install or run-from-ram?
2023-12-19 19:55:25 <Crocodillian> going to install to disk
2023-12-19 19:57:08 <Crocodillian> welp, my installer is too old, 3.18 is on kernel 6.1.68 but this is 6.1.55, so that's not going to work anyway
2023-12-19 19:57:59 <minimal> eh?
2023-12-19 19:58:12 <Crocodillian> I made the stick a few months ago
2023-12-19 19:58:26 <minimal> if you're going to boot and run the installer then why does that matter?
2023-12-19 19:58:41 <Crocodillian> because the zfs-lts package has the module for the newer kernel
2023-12-19 19:59:06 <minimal> and I suggested you download the Extended package, write it to USB stick and boot it to install ZFS
2023-12-19 19:59:19 <Crocodillian> I will do that
2023-12-19 19:59:26 <minimal> so what's the problem?
2023-12-19 19:59:52 <Crocodillian> no problem, will just have to do all of this all over again
2023-12-19 20:01:07 <Crocodillian> if I had the new stick I would have been able to just install zfs-lts
2023-12-19 20:09:03 <minimal> "new stick"? you mean a stick with the Extended Alpine on it?
2023-12-19 20:26:57 <bl4ckb0ne> is tsan supposed to run on alpine? im getting a segfault at start
2023-12-19 20:27:53 <minimal> what is tsan?
2023-12-19 20:28:20 <minimal> I see no such binary packaged for Alpine
2023-12-19 20:28:21 <bl4ckb0ne> thread sanitizer
2023-12-19 20:31:01 <minimal> I suspect you'd have more likelyhood of an answer in alpine-devel
2023-12-19 20:34:38 <Crocodillian> minimal: I mean, if I had the normal stick image from now instead of from a couple of months back, I would have been able to just do setup-apkrepos and install zfs-lts, but I'm booted into the new extended stick now like you suggested, and it has the zfs module, thank you
2023-12-19 22:12:50 <Crocodillian> there's a major problem with the zfs support in the extended image, no zpool command
2023-12-19 22:54:44 <pj> it's part of the zfs package
2023-12-19 23:25:22 <cristian_c> <andym48[m]> > delete any .xinitrc you have in your home directory and run startx. If you do not get a basic window with the clock and terminal in it then X is not correctly installed
2023-12-19 23:25:45 <cristian_c> andym48[m], I get: xauth (stdin) 1 bad display name in add command
2023-12-19 23:32:35 <minimal> Crocodillian: strange as setup-disk uses the zpool command
2023-12-20 01:37:26 <pj> updated alpine to 3.19, now it's stuck on welcome to grub, im ded
2023-12-20 04:43:18 <Apachez> at least you are welcome to grub, could be worse ;)
2023-12-20 06:10:34 <pj> ~.
2023-12-20 06:38:31 <livy> Hi guys. I have a LUKS2 partition which needs to be auto-decrypted at boot and mapped to /dev/mapper/swap.
2023-12-20 06:39:10 <livy> After that swap need to be activated. I have successfully auto-decrypt it using 'dmcrypt' service.
2023-12-20 06:39:35 <livy> However the /dev/mapper/swap is not auto mounted. I already add a line to /etc/fstab:
2023-12-20 06:39:42 <livy> /dev/mapper/swap none swap sw 0 0
2023-12-20 06:40:40 <livy> I suspect entries in /etc/fstab is mounted before the 'dmcrypt' service is run. Is that correct?
2023-12-20 06:43:58 <livy> According to Gentoo Wiki, 'localmount' service is responsible for mounting swap: https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki//etc/fstab
2023-12-20 06:44:11 <livy> That service is not even enabled by default on Alpine.
2023-12-20 06:54:59 <livy> Tried enabling it and reboot, still nothing. :(
2023-12-20 07:02:59 <andym48[m]> <cristian_c> "andym48, I get: xauth (stdin..." <- It seems that you have a problem with your .Xauthority file. Can you confirm that you are in a terminal on the PC and not ssh'ing or vnc'ing into the PC?... (full message at <https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/v3/download/matrix.org/kQbDRRLXBnRpvuLcLpQqHcVd>)
2023-12-20 08:35:45 <WhyNotHugo> How can I mount a gzip'ed image? Specifically, I want to mount /boot/initramfs-edge and inspect its content.
2023-12-20 08:35:56 <WhyNotHugo> (readonly works fine for this)
2023-12-20 08:48:22 <zcrayfish> dunno about mounting it, but if you gunzip it; it's just a regular cpio archive.
2023-12-20 09:49:13 <Crocodillian> so I can't have /usr be a separate zfs dataset because libzfs is in /usr/lib, great
2023-12-20 09:49:47 <grawity> let your initramfs mount /usr?
2023-12-20 09:49:47 <Crocodillian> nothing gets mounted and my system is broken
2023-12-20 09:50:20 <Crocodillian> I'll just reorder my datasets
2023-12-20 09:50:55 <Crocodillian> but this should be fixed
2023-12-20 09:52:02 <Crocodillian> I almost have this installed
2023-12-20 09:58:00 <lopid> lsinitrd?
2023-12-20 10:08:04 <Crocodillian> what DE do alpine users generally prefer, xfce?
2023-12-20 10:13:55 <zcrayfish> Personal preference.
2023-12-20 10:14:13 <zcrayfish> I use lxqt (openbox or labwc) personally
2023-12-20 10:46:19 <Crocodillian> I finally have alpine bootings, thanks guys
2023-12-20 10:46:36 <zcrayfish> \o/
2023-12-20 11:38:53 <WhyNotHugo> So openrc only runs _after_ the main partition has been mounted, right? What's an obvious way to run something earlier during boot?
2023-12-20 11:39:08 <WhyNotHugo> Specifically, I want to change the console font (the default it TINY) before the cryptsetup prompt shows up.
2023-12-20 11:42:32 <grawity> that would be the initramfs
2023-12-20 11:42:42 <grawity> not sure how to customize it on alpine
2023-12-20 11:44:03 <grawity> but it's what runs cryptsetup and mounts /, so it's not uncommon (and the only place, really) to set fonts or load keymaps from there as well
2023-12-20 11:46:31 <minimal> pj@ what's the Grub issue you're having?
2023-12-20 11:47:04 <grawity> seems like mkinitfs has no extensibility other than kernel module loading
2023-12-20 11:48:54 <minimal> Crocodillian: the installer (setup-disk) only supports a limited set of installation scenarios. If you're trying to do setup ZFS differently than setup-disk expects then you're sort of on your own...
2023-12-20 11:50:13 <minimal> WhyNotHugo: yes openrc runs after rootfs is mounted....as openrc is ON the rootfs, so there's no way it could run until that is mounted ;-)
2023-12-20 11:51:26 <Crocodillian> minimal: setup-disk did everything perfect for me, I have no complaints. My complaint is is that zfs-libs installs libzfs etc. to /usr/lib instead of /lib which means that /usr can't be mounted on boot
2023-12-20 11:51:50 <WhyNotHugo> From what I can tell, mkinitfs has mechanism to add files and enable modules into the initramfs, but on mechanism to run additional commands. Am I right?
2023-12-20 11:52:23 <ikke> WhyNotHugo: afaik there is no extension mechanism for mkinitfs-init
2023-12-20 11:52:26 <grawity> yeah, I've been reading the initramfs-init script (the one that's the very first thing to run) and it seems to be very static
2023-12-20 11:52:28 <minimal> WhyNotHugo: correct, you'd have to modify the initramfs' init script to do what you want and then rebuild the initramfs
2023-12-20 11:52:45 <pj> minimal: Welcome to GRUB!
2023-12-20 11:52:55 <pj> :>
2023-12-20 11:53:02 <grawity> needs more systemd
2023-12-20 11:53:16 <pj> it.. would actually work with systemd
2023-12-20 11:53:18 <minimal> and if you modify that script then you'd have to manually deal wito any mkinitfs package updates to the script from then onwards yourself
2023-12-20 11:53:27 <minimal> pj: but what's the actual problem you have?
2023-12-20 11:53:37 <pj> It's stuck on Welcome to GRUB!
2023-12-20 11:53:54 <minimal> grawity: yes unlike dracut it doesn't have hook support
2023-12-20 11:54:02 <Crocodillian> minimal: I consider this a bug, it's traditional on UNIX systems for /usr to be e.g. an NFS mount, and everything required for mounting it should be in /bin,/sbin,/lib etc. on the root fs
2023-12-20 11:54:12 <minimal> pj: x86? x86_64? aarch64?
2023-12-20 11:54:15 <pj> aarch64
2023-12-20 11:54:26 <pj> I did the grub fix for aarch64 mentioned
2023-12-20 11:54:54 <minimal> Crocodillian: "traditional"? well its "traditional" for Linux distros to use glibc and systemd also but Aline does neither ;-)
2023-12-20 11:55:34 <minimal> pj: which fix? the documented one? or the additional missing required fix that I've pointed out in the relevant Issue? ;-)
2023-12-20 11:55:55 <Crocodillian> I will file a bug regardless, it likely wouldn't be controversial
2023-12-20 11:56:09 <pj> minimal: grun-install one from changelog
2023-12-20 11:56:17 <Crocodillian> it's just a matter of putting libzfs and spl in /lib instead of /usr/lib
2023-12-20 11:56:50 <minimal> Crocodillian: as I said earlier, setup-disk implement a "narrow" set of installation scenarios...so something outside of those isn't a "bug" but rather a feature request ;-)
2023-12-20 11:57:15 <Crocodillian> the feature request would be for zfs-libs rather than setup-disk
2023-12-20 11:57:27 <minimal> pj: that documentation is incomplete, I've raised this point several times in the past weeks
2023-12-20 11:58:11 <pj> I'm not surprised
2023-12-20 11:58:36 <minimal> pj: https://gitlab.alpinelinux.org/alpine/aports/-/issues/15557
2023-12-20 11:58:56 <minimal> look at my note from 2 days ago
2023-12-20 11:59:31 <minimal> also https://gitlab.alpinelinux.org/alpine/infra/alpine-mksite/-/merge_requests/69
2023-12-20 11:59:33 <Crocodillian> minimal: thank you very much for your help btw, I have alpine booting now, doing some basic setup now
2023-12-20 11:59:56 <pj> I did the thing without nvram
2023-12-20 11:59:58 <pj> hm
2023-12-20 12:00:37 <minimal> pj: you mean you ran grub-install *with* the "--no-nvram" option?
2023-12-20 12:01:16 <pj> I did run the command without that flag
2023-12-20 12:01:39 <minimal> pj: ok, did you already have any EFI boot variables set?
2023-12-20 12:01:44 <WhyNotHugo> Crocodillian: I think there is an intent to merge /lib and /usr/lib at some point too.
2023-12-20 12:02:48 <pj> minimal: I doubt? I haven't configured anything myself, but if alpine itself had something, no idea
2023-12-20 12:03:07 <pj> I could probably just do the 2nd option and try to boot
2023-12-20 12:03:24 <WhyNotHugo> So I can hack initramfs-init and include my font loading changes there. Although that likely will get overwritten during an update. I could also make initramfs-init execute scripts from $INITRAMFS/init.d/. This would allow dropping any sort of script that gets executed early on.
2023-12-20 12:03:41 <pj> kinda annoying since I have to launch another cloud instance to attach and modify the disk
2023-12-20 12:03:42 <minimal> WhyNotHugo: so /usr/share/mkinitfs/initramfs-init is the shell script that runs as init during boot - so you could modify that to do what you want and the run "mkinitfs" to rebuild initramfs to use the changed version of that script....but that's problematic as mkinitfs package updates then wouldn't apply any other changes to that script
2023-12-20 12:03:45 <WhyNotHugo> I'm not sure if this is a brilliant idea, or if I'm on my way to re-invent init.
2023-12-20 12:04:02 <minimal> or you could raise a mkinitfs MR to have suitable functionality official added to it instead
2023-12-20 12:04:22 <WhyNotHugo> Yeah, exactly, this init.d/ approach is with the intent of upstreaming it.
2023-12-20 12:06:38 <minimal> pj: "I could probably just do the 2nd option and try to boot" - if you've already run grub-install without "--no-nvram" then it will have added a EFI boot variable (assuming efibootmgr was installed) which will take precedence over the fallback booting so now doing the "2nd option" shouldn't make any difference
2023-12-20 12:12:38 <pj> well, I could just restore backup before I did the change
2023-12-20 12:12:48 <pj> I'll tinker with it later
2023-12-20 12:14:51 <minimal> pj: "kinda annoying since I have to launch another cloud instance to attach and modify the disk" - I assume you're referring to modifying the EFI file(s) on the disk, as you can't modify EFI variables that way ;-)
2023-12-20 12:54:00 <pj> minimal: yes
2023-12-20 13:00:47 <minimal> pj: cloud provider is AWS?
2023-12-20 13:02:36 <pj> no, oracle
2023-12-20 13:14:59 <minimal> pj: ah ok. Are you using the cloud-init Oracle DataSource?
2023-12-20 13:21:41 <pj> i have no idea what that is
2023-12-20 13:23:53 <minimal> pj: normally in Cloud Linux distros use cloud-init to obtain info from the provider's infra about network config etc and to obtain user-data (typically provided by person provisioning the VM) to indicate configuration to be automatically performed on 1st boot
2023-12-20 13:24:10 <minimal> s/Cloud/Clouds/
2023-12-20 13:25:19 <minimal> i.e for OCI: https://cloudinit.readthedocs.io/en/latest/reference/datasources/oracle.html
2023-12-20 13:25:21 <pj> I know what cloud-init is
2023-12-20 13:25:39 <pj> I just have bare install
2023-12-20 13:26:03 <minimal> pj: ok, so you have "no idea what that is" refers to what exactly?
2023-12-20 13:26:25 <pj> "Oracle DataSource"
2023-12-20 13:26:28 <minimal> pj: you'll see from that link that the cloud-init Oracle DataSo
2023-12-20 13:26:39 <minimal> DataSource supports both VMs and bare metal
2023-12-20 13:26:45 <pj> ok, but I don't use cloud-init at all
2023-12-20 13:27:01 <pj> bare install, not bare metal
2023-12-20 13:27:11 <pj> it's a KVM VM
2023-12-20 13:27:40 <minimal> ok, so where do you get network config etc info from?
2023-12-20 13:27:53 <pj> dhcp
2023-12-20 13:28:43 <minimal> ok for primary (or only) network interface, and then obviously you're making no use of meta-data or user-data then
2023-12-20 13:34:34 <pj> well.. yes..
2023-12-20 13:35:23 <minimal> pj: ok. Just seems strange to use a Cloud Provider but to not use their metadata service etc
2023-12-20 13:37:35 <pj> the image of the instance is "Oracle-Linux-8.3-aarch64-2021.05.12-0"
2023-12-20 13:37:53 <pj> it's running Alpine :> you can guess the rest of the story
2023-12-20 13:38:53 <minimal> pj: ok. You could of course create your own Alpine image and import it so it can be used to create new VMs ;-)
2023-12-20 13:39:04 <pj> but that's effort
2023-12-20 13:39:10 <pj> I'm too lazy for that
2023-12-20 13:39:35 <minimal> pj: I have a script that can create the images ;-)
2023-12-20 13:39:44 <pj> I'll probably move the stuff to terraform and proper deployment since I just can't navigate their web console
2023-12-20 13:40:47 <pj> And now that Oracle images are created for Alpine, I'll just launch straight from that and copy stuff from previous disk, it will take me less time than to debug this annoying thing
2023-12-20 13:44:25 <minimal> pj: I assume those are using Grub also for aarch64, not sure
2023-12-20 13:46:16 <pj> minimal: mayhaps, but I presume the issue occurs during upgrade only?
2023-12-20 13:46:47 <minimal> pj: yes only during some upgrades
2023-12-20 13:48:03 <pj> so going from 3.19 should be fine, although I'm not quite happy with such a issue that can brick the host
2023-12-20 13:48:42 <minimal> pj: well there's a fundamental issue with the way Alpine handles Grub updates/upgrades in general
2023-12-20 13:49:43 <pj> mmm
2023-12-20 13:50:05 <minimal> which I pointed out months ago
2023-12-20 13:50:05 <pj> chimera looks nicer with each passing day
2023-12-20 13:50:45 <minimal> and the issue may possibily be more wide spread when Grub 2.12 finally comes out and is packaged
2023-12-20 13:52:39 <pj> I guess efibootmgr is way to go?
2023-12-20 13:53:25 <minimal> not sure what you mean. You're suggesting that EFI boot variables are the way to go?
2023-12-20 13:53:31 <cristian_c> andym48[m], considering I can't enter desktop since startx also shows xauth: (argv):1 bad display name in "remove" command, I get an empty line for echo $XAUTHORITY, xauth list returns compaq/unix:0 MIT-MAGIC-COOKIE-1 ..., echo $DISPLAY returns an empty line
2023-12-20 13:54:36 <pj> minimal: I mean efi boot on alpine without grub
2023-12-20 13:54:49 <minimal> pj: efibootmgr just lets you manipulate EFI boot variables, it doesn't directly have anything to do with the fundamental Grub packaging issues
2023-12-20 13:56:19 <minimal> pj: oh, using UEFI to directly boot rather than via a bootloader. Hmm....currently "that depends" ;-) UKI booting for aarch64 currently doesn't work and kernel EFISTUB booting for aarch64 also might be broken (I'd need to doublecheck...lemme see)
2023-12-20 13:56:43 <pj> yeah, I was thinking of efi stub (with efibootmgr or efi shell for config)
2023-12-20 13:57:38 <pj> and to be clear, not interested in secure boot, at least not yet
2023-12-20 13:58:10 <minimal> pj: generally kernel EFISTUB booting is a "problem" for most hypervisors/Cloud Providers (assuming you're booting prepared disk images) as you may have no way to setup EFI boot variables
2023-12-20 13:58:42 <minimal> UKI doesn't specifically mean "Secure Boot", just that there is a single file containing kernel + microcode + initramfs + cmdline
2023-12-20 13:59:59 <pj> I'm aware, I think it's just common to go secure boot with UKI
2023-12-20 14:00:37 <minimal> pj: not necessarily, I use UKI without Secure Boot on some VMs, anyway UKI is not working currently for aarch64
2023-12-20 14:00:56 <pj> I can see the issue in mkuki repo :P
2023-12-20 14:01:02 <minimal> I've spent the last month or so off-and-on trying to fix it
2023-12-20 14:05:03 <minimal> pj: there's 2 possible things (either separately or in combination) breaking UKI aarch64 booting
2023-12-20 14:11:16 <Crocodillian> anyone know how to get autologin to work with lightdm? The suggested change to lightdm.conf does not work.
2023-12-20 14:12:54 <Crocodillian> found this unanswered reddit post about the same thing: https://www.reddit.com/r/AlpineLinux/comments/140h8v8/autologin_with_lightdm/
2023-12-20 14:17:54 <Crocodillian> never mind, it's working now for some reason
2023-12-20 14:25:04 <minimal> pj: ok, just retested, kernel EFISTUB aarch64 booting *IS* working in Alpine Edge (and so I also assume in 3.19.0), so it is only UKI booting that currently doesn't work for aarch64
2023-12-20 14:26:29 <minimal> pj: but to use kernel EFISTUB booting in a VM/Cloud environment there's still the matter of HOW exactly to boot it, both potential mechanisms have issues/limitations
2023-12-20 15:51:06 <andym48[m]> <cristian_c> "andym48, considering I can't..." <- Can you simpy log in without trying to run startx please?... (full message at <https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/v3/download/matrix.org/fkUHWDHYAHhsIRHGbqBAXWKQ>)
2023-12-20 16:32:43 <invoked> tbh i hope efistub wins out in the long run. but then efi is a mess
2023-12-20 16:32:55 <invoked> 
ACTION leaves for a cabin in the woods

2023-12-20 16:39:42 <minimal> invoked: you mean you hope efistub wins out for Alpine's installer?
2023-12-20 16:39:55 <minimal> and yes, UEFI in general is a mess lol
2023-12-20 16:46:19 <invoked> wins out generally. boot managers make me angry. so do non boot managers
2023-12-20 16:47:06 <invoked> cut out the middleman i say
2023-12-20 16:47:55 <minimal> invoked: EFISTUB doesn't necessarily win out for prepared VM images where you have no mechanism to manipulate EFI boot variables
2023-12-20 16:48:22 <grawity> self-inflicted issue; would be less of a mess if people used normal bootmanagers
2023-12-20 16:48:33 <invoked> yeah.
2023-12-20 16:48:41 <grawity> although, to be honest
2023-12-20 16:48:41 <minimal> grawity: what's self inflicted?
2023-12-20 16:48:51 <grawity> i'd very much like if vmlinuz supported loading a .conf file
2023-12-20 16:49:03 <grawity> *that* would be really convenient
2023-12-20 16:50:58 <minimal> grawity: this is "sort of" a conf file that came be used with EFISTUB if you don't want to rely on EFI boot variables.......but it is typically (a) slow, and (b) may not be supported in all situations
2023-12-20 20:23:38 <Jenkler> ncopa: Updated today to 3.19 on a hyper-V virtual (GRUB). It wont boot, can I fix this from the grub shell? 
2023-12-20 20:24:24 <minimal> Jenkler: aarch64 VM?
2023-12-20 20:24:29 <Jenkler> nope 
2023-12-20 20:24:42 <Jenkler> X86_64
2023-12-20 20:24:55 <minimal> upgrade from which Alpine version?
2023-12-20 20:25:05 <Jenkler> 3.18 
2023-12-20 20:25:32 <Jenkler> I have access to the grub recovery shell 
2023-12-20 20:25:54 <Jenkler> but it will not boot normaly. cant find root 
2023-12-20 20:27:06 <Jenkler> mounting /dev/sda3 on  /sysroot faild 
2023-12-20 20:27:12 <minimal> originally installed via setup-disk?
2023-12-20 20:27:35 <Jenkler> yes 
2023-12-20 20:27:52 <minimal> and BIOS or UEFI booting?
2023-12-20 20:28:02 <Jenkler> UFI
2023-12-20 20:28:11 <Jenkler> Thats why it installed grub 
2023-12-20 20:28:23 <Jenkler> and not syslinux 
2023-12-20 20:29:06 <minimal> ok (not directly relevant, Syslinux can be overridden for Grub with setup-disk)
2023-12-20 20:30:07 <Jenkler> ok, not that good at grub recovery shell. can i boot it manually ?
2023-12-20 20:30:19 <minimal> Jenkler: how did you do the 3.19 upgrade exactly?
2023-12-20 20:32:28 <Jenkler> apk --available -U upgrade
2023-12-20 20:32:29 <minimal> did you do "apk -Ua upgrade"? (or "apk update; apk -a upgrade" which is equivalent)
2023-12-20 20:32:57 <Jenkler> I allways do "apk --available -U upgrade"
2023-12-20 20:33:01 <minimal> ah, ok, so you did remember -a / --available - missing that out often causes upgrade problems
2023-12-20 20:34:42 <minimal> the error you mentioned doesn't really narrow things down, I'm guessing it might be something (i.e. kernel modules) missing from the initramfs, but that's just a guess
2023-12-20 20:34:54 <Jenkler> https://tpaste.us/5Xgx
2023-12-20 20:35:11 <Jenkler> that was the last thing I did begor not booting 
2023-12-20 20:35:54 <minimal> the 1st line shows the 3.18, not 3.19, repo being used
2023-12-20 20:37:12 <Jenkler> ahh, ok, so then its 3.18 
2023-12-20 20:37:27 <Jenkler> Meybe forgot to change the repo 
2023-12-20 20:37:33 <Jenkler> *maybe
2023-12-20 20:37:47 <minimal> you "upgraded" from 3.18.x to 3.18.x?
2023-12-20 20:38:05 <Jenkler> Yes, just updated 
2023-12-20 20:38:29 <Jenkler> 3.18 worked before, just did a apk --available -U upgrade
2023-12-20 20:38:38 <ncopa> was the 3.18 upgrade from something? or was it installed as 3.18?
2023-12-20 20:38:41 <Jenkler> after that it broke 
2023-12-20 20:39:22 <Jenkler> I Had updated to 1.18 before, with successfull reboot 
2023-12-20 20:39:42 <ncopa> do you remember which alpine you originally installed?
2023-12-20 20:39:46 <Jenkler> This happend when booting into 3.18 
2023-12-20 20:40:02 <Jenkler> 3.15 maybe 
2023-12-20 20:40:18 <ncopa> also, do you have "emergency shell" (eg from initramfs) or only grub shell?
2023-12-20 20:40:19 <Jenkler> Do not remember
2023-12-20 20:41:14 <Jenkler> I only have grub shell, I cant do any exit to enter the emergency shell
2023-12-20 20:41:22 <ncopa> "mounting /dev/sda3 on  /sysroot faild " sounds like grub was able to load the kernel and initramfs but failed to mount the rootfs on /sysroot
2023-12-20 20:41:29 <ncopa> what filesystem is your root?
2023-12-20 20:41:39 <Jenkler> ext4
2023-12-20 20:41:43 <ncopa> does /dev/sda3 exist?
2023-12-20 20:41:48 <Jenkler> yes 
2023-12-20 20:42:10 <ncopa> does blkid show /dev/sda3?
2023-12-20 20:42:22 <Jenkler> w8, 
2023-12-20 20:42:36 <ncopa> is ext4 kernel module loaded? (lsmod)
2023-12-20 20:42:47 <ncopa> lsmod | grep ext4
2023-12-20 20:43:30 <ncopa> can you mount it with: mount -t ext4 /dev/sda3 /sysroot
2023-12-20 20:43:52 <ncopa> what do you have in /proc/cmdline?
2023-12-20 20:44:34 <ncopa> specifically, do you have rootfstype=ext4 or modules=ext4?
2023-12-20 20:44:38 <Jenkler> do not have mount in grub "c" shell
2023-12-20 20:45:05 <ncopa> where did you see the: "mounting /dev/sda3 on  /sysroot failed" ?
2023-12-20 20:45:18 <Jenkler> when booting 
2023-12-20 20:45:35 <ncopa> after that error, do you get a shell prompt?
2023-12-20 20:45:47 <Jenkler> nope
2023-12-20 20:46:03 <ncopa> huh.
2023-12-20 20:46:09 <Jenkler> i get 
2023-12-20 20:46:44 <Jenkler> initramfs emergency recovershell launched type exit ...
2023-12-20 20:46:58 <ncopa> right. that is a shell in initramfs
2023-12-20 20:47:01 <Jenkler> then switched to clocksource tsc 
2023-12-20 20:47:03 <minimal> that IS the initramfs emergency shell
2023-12-20 20:47:25 <Jenkler> yes but I cant write any commands
2023-12-20 20:47:29 <ncopa> you should be able to type in that shell
2023-12-20 20:47:44 <Jenkler> just blinking 
2023-12-20 20:47:46 <ncopa> ah. no keyboard drivers in the initramfs
2023-12-20 20:47:49 <minimal> you can "write" any commands? or you can't see anything appear WHEN you type?
2023-12-20 20:48:11 <Jenkler> no, nothing.
2023-12-20 20:48:18 <minimal> its Hyper-V so its the hyper-V keyboard module...
2023-12-20 20:48:21 <Jenkler> its a hyper-v 
2023-12-20 20:48:27 <Jenkler> ok
2023-12-20 20:49:07 <ncopa> ok, can you get into the grub menu and edit the boot cmdline?
2023-12-20 20:49:17 <Jenkler> it says cant access tty 
2023-12-20 20:49:24 <Jenkler> Yes 
2023-12-20 20:49:44 <Jenkler> w8, I go to grub 
2023-12-20 20:49:51 <ncopa> can you verify that you have rootfstype=ext4 somewhere in the boot cmdline?
2023-12-20 20:49:58 <ncopa> or modules=ext4
2023-12-20 20:50:25 <ncopa> maybe its modules=sd-mod,ext4,usbhid
2023-12-20 20:52:15 <ncopa> it sounds like: 1) you have no keyboard drivers in initramfs. I don't know if you can attach an usb keyboard in hyper-v, and I don't know what hyper-v uses as keyboard. usually its over usb
2023-12-20 20:52:25 <minimal> Jenkler: hid-hyperv/hyperv-keyboard kernel modules likely aren't loaded for keyboard
2023-12-20 20:52:35 <Jenkler> https://pasteboard.co/IrjGPootZMti.png
2023-12-20 20:52:47 <Jenkler> there you see the grub conf 
2023-12-20 20:53:44 <ncopa> after the "linux .... ro" can you append "modules=ext4 rootfstype=ext4" and try boot?
2023-12-20 20:55:18 <Jenkler> w8, 
2023-12-20 20:55:31 <ncopa> I dont know if hyper-v can simulate serial console or how it does it. you could also try console=ttyS0 and see if you can type into hyper-v's serial connection (if it has any)
2023-12-20 20:55:57 <ncopa> might also be hyper-v has hvc0, like xen. in that case you could try console=hvc0
2023-12-20 20:56:49 <minimal> ncopa: nope, hvc0 is virtio-console, don't believe Hyper-V supports that
2023-12-20 20:58:01 <ncopa> i had something simiarily weird on my risc-v board. for some reason I had wrong root=UUID=...
2023-12-20 20:58:04 <Jenkler> broken keybord, trying to find "
2023-12-20 20:58:16 <ncopa> :)
2023-12-20 20:58:30 <ncopa> shift 2?
2023-12-20 20:58:34 <minimal> you can use a serial console on HyperV but it needs to be enabled at the hypervisor layer also
2023-12-20 20:58:35 <ncopa> or Æ
2023-12-20 20:58:42 <Jenkler> Nope founf it shift Ä
2023-12-20 20:58:51 <Jenkler> hehe, swedish layout 
2023-12-20 20:59:12 <ncopa> yeah. Æ sounds right
2023-12-20 20:59:23 <ncopa> oh... wait
2023-12-20 20:59:26 <ncopa> without the "
2023-12-20 20:59:53 <ncopa> the line should look something like:
2023-12-20 20:59:58 <Jenkler> ok so "modules=ext4 rootfstype=ext4" without " 
2023-12-20 21:00:08 <ncopa> correct
2023-12-20 21:00:49 <ncopa> linux /boot/mvlinuz-virt root=UUID=..... ro modules=ext4 rootfstype=ext4
2023-12-20 21:01:22 <ncopa> i should probably test this in azure
2023-12-20 21:01:24 <Jenkler> Yes 
2023-12-20 21:01:31 <ncopa> does it boot now?
2023-12-20 21:01:33 <Jenkler> I am in 
2023-12-20 21:01:49 <ncopa> you need fix your grub config
2023-12-20 21:01:55 <ncopa> congrats!
2023-12-20 21:02:19 <Jenkler> so, how do I fix the grub conf? 
2023-12-20 21:02:31 <Jenkler> just add that ? 
2023-12-20 21:02:42 <ncopa> in /etc/default/grub, you edit the GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFULAT
2023-12-20 21:03:10 <ncopa> might be enough with either rootfstype=ext4 or modules=ext4. you probably dont need both
2023-12-20 21:04:44 <ncopa> im sort of surprised that this worked in 3.18, without that
2023-12-20 21:04:54 <minimal> the question is what happened to the previously working Grub config to end up in this situation...
2023-12-20 21:04:59 <Jenkler> https://tpaste.us/vNzk
2023-12-20 21:05:10 <ncopa> huh
2023-12-20 21:05:15 <Jenkler> thats whats in /etc/default/grub
2023-12-20 21:05:26 <minimal> and the date/time of that file is?
2023-12-20 21:05:49 <Jenkler> may 24 
2023-12-20 21:06:00 <minimal> so what happened on May 24? ;-)
2023-12-20 21:06:03 <Jenkler> 2023
2023-12-20 21:06:13 <minimal> as that file is incomplete...
2023-12-20 21:06:14 <Jenkler> lol, dont know 
2023-12-20 21:06:17 <ncopa> lol
2023-12-20 21:06:31 <ncopa> well
2023-12-20 21:07:02 <ncopa> i have an /etc/default/grub.apk-new with the exact same content
2023-12-20 21:07:10 <ncopa> so it came from the grub package
2023-12-20 21:07:15 <minimal> ncopa: HyperV and Azure have their own kernel modules for display, keyboard, storage, networking etc
2023-12-20 21:08:45 <ncopa> Jenkler: can you add GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT=" modules=ext4" to that file?
2023-12-20 21:09:09 <ncopa> and then do: apk fix grub (to re-run the trigger)
2023-12-20 21:09:30 <ncopa> then you verify that it generates /boot/grub/grub.cfg with modules=ext4
2023-12-20 21:09:51 <Jenkler> should it be a space between " and moudules 
2023-12-20 21:10:01 <ncopa> dont know tbh :)
2023-12-20 21:10:04 <Jenkler> GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="modules=ext4"
2023-12-20 21:10:11 <Jenkler> does that work too 
2023-12-20 21:10:13 <ncopa> yeah, try that
2023-12-20 21:10:28 <minimal> there doesn't appear to be any mkinitfs feature file that adds the hyperv keyboard to initramfs (nor specific initramfs' init code to load it)
2023-12-20 21:11:11 <ncopa> actually, instead of running apk fix grub, you run update-grub
2023-12-20 21:11:39 <Jenkler> https://tpaste.us/QRew
2023-12-20 21:11:40 <ncopa> should re-gernate the /boot/grub/grub.conf
2023-12-20 21:12:04 <Jenkler> did a apk fix grub 
2023-12-20 21:12:07 <ncopa> check that modules=ext4 is in /boot/grub/grub.cfg
2023-12-20 21:12:25 <ncopa> apk fix grub will execute update-grub
2023-12-20 21:13:30 <Jenkler> linux   /boot/vmlinuz-virt root=UUID=145a3fdc-20f0-4b52-b57e-fb4f0dcc0aeb ro  modules=ext4
2023-12-20 21:13:35 <ncopa> nice
2023-12-20 21:13:50 <ncopa> im also interested in what you have in your /etc/mkinitfs/mktinifs.conf
2023-12-20 21:13:58 <minimal> ncopa: doesn't Alpine still use that "compatibility" kludge for Grub to use /etc/update-extlinux.conf file is it exists?
2023-12-20 21:14:43 <ncopa> i dont remember tbh
2023-12-20 21:14:44 <minimal> when generating grub.cfg I mean
2023-12-20 21:15:07 <Jenkler> I do not have /etc/mkinitfs/mktinifs.conf
2023-12-20 21:15:22 <minimal> checked, there's still an Alpine patch for Grub for that "feature"
2023-12-20 21:15:33 <Jenkler> sorry 
2023-12-20 21:15:34 <ncopa> hum. ok
2023-12-20 21:15:44 <Jenkler> my bad, w8 
2023-12-20 21:15:47 <ncopa> Jenkler: my bad. i had a typo there
2023-12-20 21:15:52 <minimal> so what does /etc/update-extlinux.conf contain on your machine?
2023-12-20 21:16:06 <Jenkler> https://tpaste.us/KEbB
2023-12-20 21:16:45 <Jenkler> lol, was one line. tpaste overkill 
2023-12-20 21:16:52 <ncopa> lol
2023-12-20 21:16:54 <ncopa> indeed
2023-12-20 21:17:01 <Jenkler> but there is ext4 in there 
2023-12-20 21:17:31 <ncopa> that will make sure the ext4 driver is included in the initramfs image, but there was nothing that loaded it
2023-12-20 21:18:07 <Jenkler> ok, but now I can try to reboot 
2023-12-20 21:18:19 <minimal> from memory having "rootfstype=ext4" is sufficient as the init loads the module for the rootfs type
2023-12-20 21:18:21 <Jenkler> I have both grub          grub.apk-new
2023-12-20 21:18:29 <ncopa> you can do: echo "drivers/hid/hid-hyperv.ko*" >> /etc/mkinitfs/features.d/usb.modules
2023-12-20 21:18:39 <ncopa> and apk fix mkinitfs
2023-12-20 21:18:56 <ncopa> should give you keyboard in emergency shell if you ever need it again
2023-12-20 21:19:07 <ncopa> but I think we should add that in the upstream mkinitfs package
2023-12-20 21:19:10 <minimal> but also need "drivers/input/serio/hyperv-keyboard.ko*" I think!
2023-12-20 21:19:23 <ncopa> ok
2023-12-20 21:19:31 <ncopa> yeah, we should fix that on our side
2023-12-20 21:19:53 <ncopa> maybe you could create an issue "no keyboard in emergency shell on hyper-v" or something
2023-12-20 21:19:57 <ncopa> and we'll fix it
2023-12-20 21:20:09 <ncopa> Jenkler: does it boot?
2023-12-20 21:20:13 <Jenkler> I wonder why the grub file was broken 
2023-12-20 21:20:15 <Jenkler> w8 
2023-12-20 21:20:20 <ncopa> me too
2023-12-20 21:20:20 <minimal> the hyperv specific DRM driver will be included by the wildcard entry in the kms.modules file
2023-12-20 21:20:48 <ncopa> i need to go to bed now
2023-12-20 21:20:54 <Jenkler> yea it boota 
2023-12-20 21:21:04 <ncopa> great! have a good night!
2023-12-20 21:21:07 <Jenkler> I will now try to update to 3.§9 
2023-12-20 21:21:15 <Jenkler> 3.§9 
2023-12-20 21:21:21 <Jenkler> 3.19 
2023-12-20 21:21:32 <Jenkler> should be safe ;) 
2023-12-20 21:22:10 <Jenkler> thanks ncopa for the help :) 
2023-12-20 21:22:22 <Jenkler> you too minimal 
2023-12-20 21:22:36 <ncopa> yw
2023-12-20 21:23:20 <minimal> Jenkler: to make the most of HyerV you might consider using the HyperV specific storage and network drivers
2023-12-20 21:23:48 <Jenkler> minimal: yes, but this is only for my dev env 
2023-12-20 21:23:56 <Jenkler> so no fancy is needed 
2023-12-20 21:29:32 <Jenkler> 3.19 works ;) And this time it is 3.19 :P 
2023-12-20 21:37:23 <Jenkler> minimal: does this look like the correct grub file 
2023-12-20 21:37:24 <Jenkler> GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="modules=sd-mod,usb-storage,ext4 quiet rootfstype=ext4"
2023-12-20 21:37:49 <minimal> that looks like the default value for that setting
2023-12-20 21:38:04 <Jenkler> i hade one more with no GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT. but my old 3.15 had that 
2023-12-20 21:39:36 <Jenkler> maybe this is my fuckup ... mmmm
2023-12-20 22:04:48 <Jenkler> can anyone comfirm that lxc-top is broken in 3.19 .... I get buggish output https://tpaste.us/og9L
2023-12-20 22:20:13 <orchardstreet22> does 3.19 get security updates?
2023-12-20 22:20:30 <orchardstreet22> says "bug fixes" on downloads page
2023-12-20 22:21:41 <Habbie> 'sec fixes' is the weaker phase after 'bug fixes'
2023-12-20 22:21:47 <Habbie> bug fixes definitely includes sec fixes
2023-12-20 22:22:42 <Habbie> do note that community aports are on a shorter schedule
2023-12-20 22:33:48 <orchardstreet22> thx
2023-12-20 23:35:37 <ahills> hey, sorry if this has been asked already, does CVE-2023-48795 ("terrapin") affect openssh in any active versions? I didn't see it in, e.g., https://secdb.alpinelinux.org/v3.18/main.yaml, but I didn't see any commits related to it in aports, and it seems to only be fixed in 9.6?
2023-12-20 23:43:46 <ahills> ah I found the patch in 3.19, just not 3.18
2023-12-20 23:51:19 <ahills> ok, discussion is here: https://gitlab.alpinelinux.org/alpine/aports/-/issues/15593
2023-12-20 23:51:29 <ahills> and 3.18 is not checked as "affected" but it's not clear to me why...
2023-12-21 00:23:39 <omni> oh, hi
2023-12-21 00:23:57 <omni> ahills: the checkboxes indicates if the issue is fixed
2023-12-21 00:24:23 <ahills> ah that makes sense, thanks
2023-12-21 00:24:47 <omni> I'll add a couple of comments to make it more clear
2023-12-21 00:27:09 <ahills> appreciate it, thank you
2023-12-21 00:28:39 <omni> it's not yet decided for openssh nor libssh if they should be patched or upgraded and then patched for the versions packaed in 3.16-3.18
2023-12-21 00:29:17 <ahills> ok
2023-12-21 00:29:22 <omni> libssh2*
2023-12-21 00:29:35 <ahills> I'll follow the gitlab issue, presumably progress will appear there when it happens
2023-12-21 00:29:37 <omni> (not to be confused with libssh)
2023-12-21 00:29:45 <omni> yes
2023-12-21 00:30:18 <ahills> thank you for maintaining this package, it's a pretty important one :)
2023-12-21 00:30:33 <omni> for openssh the issue can also be mitigated through client and server configuration
2023-12-21 00:31:26 <ahills> right
2023-12-21 00:40:28 <omni> either by being specific what Ciphers and MACs are allowd or by disabling by prefixing the unwanted with - on the iphers and MACs lines
2023-12-21 00:53:26 <ahmadraniri[m]> Alpine 3.19 : cheese an guvcview can't detect webcam but qv4l2 and ffplay can detect it. Is anyone facing same problem ? 
2023-12-21 01:40:03 <orchardstreet22> my audio freezes and emits a high pitch noise on alpine 3.19 intermittently while playing sound.  Doesn't matter if I use alsa, pipewire, or pulseaudio.  no idea how to fix it :(
2023-12-21 03:12:07 <orchardstreet22> adding snd_sof.sof_debug=1 to kernel parameters may have fixed it, issue with new audio driver on specific computer
2023-12-21 03:53:22 <hronro> Can the functionality of Template Unit in Systemd be achieved in OpenRC?
2023-12-21 04:02:54 <dwfreed> yes, see netifrc and the included agetty initscript
2023-12-21 04:08:20 <hronro> thanks, I'll check them
2023-12-21 05:18:59 <hronro> I find the init script for netifrc to be more complicated than I expected. All I want is to run multiple instances of a program with different configuration files. It would be easier for me if I could simply copy the init script multiple times.
2023-12-21 05:31:32 <dwfreed> so look at the agetty initscript, it's significantly less complicated :P
2023-12-21 05:38:25 <uuidNuniq> hronro: you can have init.d/svc.confX to load conf.d/svc.confX by using ${RC_SVCNAME}
2023-12-21 05:38:59 <hronro> Thanks. But how can I start a agetty service. I read the initscript of agetty, and it says agetty can not be started directly.
2023-12-21 05:47:32 <dwfreed> look closely at what it does with RC_SVCNAME
2023-12-21 07:13:49 <livy> Why was the Alpine Linux forum retired? It is hard to follow multiple topics in an IRC channel like this.
2023-12-21 07:14:25 <livy> It is also impossible to search for old questions and solutions for common issues.
2023-12-21 07:15:10 <ncopa> probably because we did not have resources to keep it up and running
2023-12-21 07:48:37 <Jenkler> if someone use alpine 3.19 and lxc. clould you confirm that lxc-top is broken https://tpaste.us/og9L tried on 2 virtual hosts. i guess there is some dependency that have changed from 3.18 to 3.19.
2023-12-21 08:47:36 <livy> Random question: which service is responsible for mounting entries in '/etc/fstab'?
2023-12-21 08:48:10 <livy> I put an entry to mount a partition as swap, but it does not get mounted after a reboot, until I issue a 'swapon -a' command.
2023-12-21 10:06:21 <ncopa> livy: /etc/init.d/localmount mounts the local files systems
2023-12-21 10:06:45 <ncopa> and /etc/init.d/swap enables swap
2023-12-21 13:14:58 <cristian_c> andym48[m], yes, there is. xauth -v info returns: "Using authority file /home/alpine/.Xauthority   Authority file:   /home/alpine/.Xauthority   File new:    no   File locked:    no   Number of entries:    1   Changes honored:     yes   Changes made:     no   Current input:     (argv):1"
2023-12-21 13:15:34 <cristian_c> andym48[m], any ideas?
2023-12-21 15:13:45 <orchardstreet22> are there any security issues with using the community repo?  I guess it isn't just randomly submitted binaries.  Is it all built on the same build server(s) and with oversight etc?
2023-12-21 15:15:03 <minimal> there are potentially security issues with ANY software in general ;-)
2023-12-21 15:15:33 <minimal> software in Community is only supported until then next Alpine Release comes out (unlike Main which is supported for 2 years)
2023-12-21 15:15:49 <minimal> that's the basic difference between Main and Community
2023-12-21 15:16:42 <minimal> "randomly submitted binaries" - binaries aren't submitted, packages are built from source on the Alpine infrastructure
2023-12-21 15:39:53 <ikke> orchardstreet22: they are built on the same servers and by the same people who have access to main
2023-12-21 16:04:03 <orchardstreet22> thx minimal and ikke
2023-12-21 16:04:42 <ikke> So like minimal mentioned, support is the only difference
2023-12-21 22:39:12 <baconperson> Hey so I'm having issues with a usb camera with opencv. For whatever reason, the camera isn't opening. /dev/video0 does exist, and I know the code works on another computer so its not that
2023-12-21 22:39:36 <Jenkler> ncopa: are you awake?
2023-12-21 22:40:24 <Jenkler> ncopa: I patched the file and rebooted the system does not seam to work 
2023-12-22 00:34:41 <jonesv> Hmm I'm struggling a bit with my bluetooth headphones. Sound works on my default output on the laptop, I can pair to the headphones with bluetoothctl, but the sound doesn't go there. Also `pactl list sinks` doesn't show a new sink when I connect the headphone over bluetooth (I guess it should right?)
2023-12-22 00:45:19 <jonesv> Arch mentions a pipewire-pulse package and a corresponding service, but I don't find an equivalent for Alpine: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/bluetooth_headset#Headset_via_PipeWire
2023-12-22 00:46:17 <jonesv> (I followed this: https://wiki.alpinelinux.org/wiki/PipeWire#Bluetooth_audio)
2023-12-22 01:03:21 <Hello71> baconperson: maybe try mpv /dev/video0 first?
2023-12-22 01:12:46 <jonesv> Hmm for some reason now it works, but I don't really get why
2023-12-22 01:14:43 <jb1277976> hi. was wondering how i can install wpa_linux ?
2023-12-22 01:14:47 <jb1277976> oops
2023-12-22 01:14:50 <jb1277976> wpa_cli
2023-12-22 01:19:57 <minimal> by installing the wpa_supplicant package?
2023-12-22 01:32:53 <jb1277976> im using freebsd followed this guide https://jrgsystems.com/posts/2022-04-20-802.11ac-on-freebsd-with-wifibox/ and it looks like the dev is using alpine linux. there is a command on that guide that has wpa_cli i'm in the console but don't see wpa_cli just wondering if you guys could take a quick look
2023-12-22 01:34:57 <ptrc> as minimal already pointed out, if you don't have the wpa_cli command, you should just install `wpa_supplicant`
2023-12-22 01:35:42 <ptrc> but also, it's talking about a specific linux image - maybe you should check its documentation?
2023-12-22 02:45:46 <livy> Hello. I have a technical question for the developers: why does Alpine choose to use a "*.tar.gz" file for storing persistent data?
2023-12-22 02:46:23 <livy> It requires re-installation of all packages from the local package cache on boot, which make take time.
2023-12-22 02:47:01 <livy> It also requires the end users to manually add/remove directories to be included in the "*.tar.gz".
2023-12-22 02:47:27 <livy> While Ubuntu and Puppy Linux go with an OverlayFS (if I remember correctly)
2023-12-22 02:48:07 <livy> which automatically saves all changes, and on next boot it just overlays over the root file system to apply changes
2023-12-22 02:48:17 <livy> instead of re-installing all packages and extracting a lot of files.
2023-12-22 03:07:59 <minimal> livy: wouldn't such an overlayfs grow and grow with time as packages are upgraded?
2023-12-22 03:10:41 <livy> Yes, but I suppose overlaying a single overlay file on top of the original rootfs is faster than re-installing each package one by one.
2023-12-22 03:10:56 <livy> I could be wrong though. Just a wild guest.
2023-12-22 03:10:59 <minimal> livy: original rootfs on storage device?
2023-12-22 03:11:20 <minimal> for Alpine run-from-ram the rootfs is in memory so the boot device can be removed
2023-12-22 03:12:24 <livy> I mean after Alpine ISO boots up, it has a filesystem mounted at '/' (in RAM), after that it can use a single big file as an upper layer
2023-12-22 03:12:40 <livy> and merge them together, to create the '/' for the user to see.
2023-12-22 03:13:00 <minimal> livy: I'm referring to your mention of 
2023-12-22 03:13:05 <minimal> "it just overlays over the root file system to apply changes"
2023-12-22 03:13:12 <livy> And I think it "may" be faster than extracing the apkovl.tar.gz and re-installing all packages.
2023-12-22 03:13:24 <minimal> is that assuming the rootfs to be overlayed is on a storage device?
2023-12-22 03:13:44 <livy> No, I am booting from Live USB mode (diskless install).
2023-12-22 03:14:04 <minimal> I'm *NOT* referring to Alpine, I'm referring to what you said about Puppy
2023-12-22 03:14:33 <minimal> is Puppy overlaying a rootfs on a storage device or a rootfs in memory?
2023-12-22 03:15:30 <livy> Hmm, I am not really sure about that.
2023-12-22 03:15:33 <minimal> also speed/"faster" is only 1 criteria that a distro may consider, there are other criteria such as memory requirements...
2023-12-22 03:16:25 <minimal> livy: my point being that if Puppy is overlaying a rootfs on a storage device then you cannot remove that storage device while Putty is running.....whereas as Alpine creates a rootfs in RAM you can remove the boot device
2023-12-22 03:18:32 <acsqdotme> hey for anyone using emacs on alpine, what is the most 'normal' install of emacs I can get to run in wayland? I have emacs-nox as terminal only, so I wanna move to one with a gui option.
2023-12-22 03:19:28 <acsqdotme> I don't know linux well enough to know much of a difference between gtk and pure gtk or whether I should get it nativecomp or cmake-emacs
2023-12-22 03:21:29 <acsqdotme> okay, well cmake-emacs is just a plugin. Point still stands though. Not sure why I'd go emacs-<version> or emacs-<version>-nativecomp
2023-12-22 03:25:02 <ahmadraniri[m]> <acsqdotme> "hey for anyone using emacs on..." <- I use Emacs pgtk or pure gtk.
2023-12-22 03:59:54 <acsqdotme> works just fine with my config; I won't question why. thanks ahmadraniri[m]
2023-12-22 08:33:07 <frojnd> Hi there.
2023-12-22 08:40:37 <frojnd> I've backuped my previous system which was arch with luks entire system encrypted and btrfs file system. I've dd'ed it to backup.img Now I'm trying to somehow open it.
2023-12-22 08:45:53 <ikke> frojnd: look at losetup
2023-12-22 08:46:57 <frojnd> ikke: I"ve tried to tackle with losetup but I'm missing something:  losetup -Pf --show /mnt/encrypted/RED-BACKUP/t580_backup.img givse me: /dev/loop0
2023-12-22 08:47:17 <frojnd> But when I do losetup -a it gives me: /dev/loop/0: [64768]:181927938 (/mnt/encrypted/RED-BACKUP/t580_backup.img)
2023-12-22 08:47:45 <frojnd> and after trying to mount it: doas mount /dev/loop/0 /mnt/backup_mount I get: mount: mounting /dev/loop/0 on /mnt/backup_mount failed: Invalid argument
2023-12-22 08:48:25 <ikke> You first need to luksOpen it 
2023-12-22 08:48:32 <frojnd> Ah
2023-12-22 08:49:10 <frojnd> And by open it you mean /dev/loop0 ?
2023-12-22 08:49:19 <ikke> Yes
2023-12-22 08:50:56 <frojnd> Wow: `Device /dev/loop0 is not a valid LUKS device.`
2023-12-22 08:51:04 <frojnd> doas cryptsetup luksOpen /dev/loop0 t580
2023-12-22 08:54:25 <frojnd> Aha
2023-12-22 08:55:10 <frojnd> lsblk gives me more details: https://termbin.com/wixzp It appears that loop0 has loop0p2 and loop0p3 partitions?
2023-12-22 08:56:37 <frojnd> I managed to enter password for: doas cryptsetup luksOpen /dev/loop0p3 t580
2023-12-22 08:58:41 <frojnd> doas mount -t btrfs /dev/mapper/t580 /mnt/t580/ actually mounted but now I see just: doas mount -t btrfs /dev/mapper/t580 /mnt/t580/ inside /mnt/t580/
2023-12-22 08:59:00 <frojnd> And my HOME!
2023-12-22 08:59:08 <frojnd> Inside __active
2023-12-22 08:59:29 <frojnd> Thank you for the tips ikke!
2023-12-22 09:03:29 <ikke> Yw
2023-12-22 09:47:37 <frojnd> Hm maybe I could even run system inside qemu
2023-12-22 10:07:01 <markand_> o/
2023-12-22 10:07:24 <markand_> with 3.19.0 I no longer have /dev/fb0 on my pi 4 and linux 6.6.4, is that in a separated module now?
2023-12-22 10:11:03 <markand_> oh nvm, so it's generated by udev as long as there is a HDMI plugged in
2023-12-22 10:11:28 <markand_> funny, so it's only generated when a screen is detected, not output port just present
2023-12-22 11:43:48 <hronro> Can `setup-alpine` be configured to use BIOS instead of UEFI during the installation of Alpine on the disk?
2023-12-22 11:53:13 <zcrayfish> if you mean in regards to how it sets up the bootloader... take a look at setup-disk. You might be able to accomplish what you want with the USE_EFI variable and/or the BOOTLOADER variable.
2023-12-22 11:53:16 <zcrayfish> damn too late.
2023-12-22 13:10:14 <cristian_c> hi
2023-12-22 13:11:48 <cristian_c> it was pointed out that dbus APKBUILD should install dbus-daemon-launch-helper: https://git.alpinelinux.org/aports/tree/main/dbus/APKBUILD
2023-12-22 13:12:05 <cristian_c> 	amove usr/libexec/dbus-daemon-launch-helper
2023-12-22 13:13:20 <cristian_c> but /usr/libexec does not list dbus-daemon-launch-hleper instead
2023-12-22 13:13:34 <cristian_c> *but /usr/libexec does not list dbus-daemon-launch-helper, instead
2023-12-22 13:13:52 <cristian_c> I don't know why this happens
2023-12-22 13:13:54 <cristian_c> any ideas?
2023-12-22 14:51:30 <Forza> Hello :)
2023-12-22 14:51:57 <Forza> Is these something like Gentoo's etc-update for Alpine? 
2023-12-22 14:55:27 <lopid> what's that?
2023-12-22 14:56:31 <ikke> update-conf
2023-12-22 15:00:03 <Forza> lopid: checks existing config files and compares with updated updlstream ones
2023-12-22 15:00:08 <Forza> Ikke thanks
2023-12-22 15:00:45 <ikke> Forza: if you have vimdiff installed, it will add it as an option 
2023-12-22 15:01:32 <Forza> I am incompatible with vim, lol
2023-12-22 15:02:49 <Forza> I usually just want to see if there's any important changes and then I manually just modify when needed 
2023-12-22 15:03:53 <ikke> Sure, just wanted to make sure you knew 
2023-12-22 15:08:30 <Forza> I appreciate it. Thanks :) 
2023-12-22 15:09:57 <Forza> Alpine 3.19 works great. Even supports booting off a virtiofs root :) 
2023-12-22 15:12:44 <Habbie> oh that's nice! i recently was sad alpine can't run in systemd-nspawn but kvm+virtiofs is almost the next best thing
2023-12-22 15:14:19 <Forza> I migrated most of my home vms to virtiofs. Its quite nice. Not sure about performance in some aspects, but overall rather good.
2023-12-22 15:14:45 <grawity> can it really not run inside systemd-nspawn
2023-12-22 15:14:55 <charliemav> Trying to install gthumb-full I get ERROR: unable to select. Is it broken?
2023-12-22 15:15:10 <Forza> What is systemd-nspawn?
2023-12-22 15:15:46 <grawity> something in between chroot and lxc
2023-12-22 15:20:39 <Forza> Ok. I barely use docker/podman :)
2023-12-22 15:21:33 <Forza> KVM is pretty decent and i prefer small alpine VMs. Its not like the overhead is much more
2023-12-22 15:22:10 <Forza> Only thing is that using virtiofs prevents KSM shared memory
2023-12-22 20:49:01 <morena> good people of alpine-linux, hello ;/
2023-12-22 20:49:36 <morena> if someone has experience to running this shit in azure, I would appreciate some help
2023-12-22 20:50:13 <morena> I found some azure cloud (alpha) .vhd image but somehow no idea how to use it there, that it works ;/
2023-12-22 20:50:48 <morena> uploading to some gallery crap there did not work as it complained about some not 512 alligned size or what ;/
2023-12-22 20:51:49 <minimal> morena: "gallery crap"?
2023-12-22 20:52:26 <minimal> I'm guessing the "512 aligned size" is referring to storage device sector size (512 byte vs 4K)
2023-12-22 20:52:36 <morena> minimal: I started to upload by some microsoft recommendation , it's azure so pretty complicated, so I created lot of resources there, until it asked to upload it as some gallery image - gallery of app or so
2023-12-22 20:52:36 <minimal> are you using cloud-init or tiny-cloud?
2023-12-22 20:52:48 <morena> minimal: ye something like that regarding size
2023-12-22 20:52:53 <morena> I tried both
2023-12-22 20:53:11 <morena> maybe I was uploading it in wrong 'resource' or whatever it was
2023-12-22 20:53:56 <minimal> oh, it's to do with Azure blob storage to do with VHD needing to be 512 byte aligned
2023-12-22 20:54:05 <morena> so make it more clear, that .vhd image I assume should be somewhere uploaded there then during setup of virtual machine selected?
2023-12-22 20:54:12 <morena> ye something like that
2023-12-22 20:54:55 <morena> also I think that cloud-init or tiny is not fixed size, not sure if that is possible in azure
2023-12-22 20:55:10 <morena> they said also that it should be .vhd fixed size or something like that
2023-12-22 20:56:10 <minimal> so is the size of the VHD file a multiple of 512 bytes?
2023-12-22 20:56:21 <morena> I know that?
2023-12-22 20:56:54 <minimal> well you've got the file you're trying to upload........so check its size
2023-12-22 20:59:43 <morena> if I did it well, then 225339000 / 512 = 440.115234375
2023-12-22 21:00:24 <minimal> so there you go, it's not a multiple of 512 bytes. Which *exact* image/file is this?
2023-12-22 21:01:20 <morena> I think I tried all for x86_64
2023-12-22 21:01:30 <morena> but this exxactly is uefi x86_64
2023-12-22 21:01:46 <minimal> cloudinit or tiny?
2023-12-22 21:01:49 <morena> so you want to tell me, that somebody created images which are unusable?
2023-12-22 21:01:53 <morena> cloudinit
2023-12-22 21:02:11 <morena> but before I tried othert too, all had the same issue
2023-12-22 21:04:53 <morena> and thatr issue was just during selecting it in gallery app or whatever, it was uploaded in some resource, don't remembewr which, bc. there were trillion steps involved to doing that
2023-12-22 21:05:10 <minimal> for which version of alpine? the 3.19 x86_64 UEFI cloud-init download is 230747136 for me...which IS a multiple of 512 bytes
2023-12-22 21:05:24 <morena> interesting
2023-12-22 21:05:37 <morena> does it depends what os it is downloaded to?
2023-12-22 21:06:11 <minimal> ah, I think you looked at the size in MB (x1000), not MiB (x1024) ;-)
2023-12-22 21:06:53 <morena> but ye, it showing that size
2023-12-22 21:06:56 <morena> ye
2023-12-22 21:07:04 <minimal> ?
2023-12-22 21:07:08 <morena> like size and then size on disk a bit different
2023-12-22 21:07:14 <morena> in fucking windows
2023-12-22 21:07:46 <morena> size: 220 MB (230,747,136 bytes), size on disk: 220 MB (230,748,160 bytes)
2023-12-22 21:07:53 <minimal> "it was uploaded in some resource, don't remembewr which" - so the problem is NOT uploading the image to blob storage?
2023-12-22 21:08:09 <morena> no, I had it uploaded somewhere
2023-12-22 21:08:12 <morena> I think blob
2023-12-22 21:08:19 <morena> but then when I want to create gallery app or so
2023-12-22 21:08:29 <morena> kind of azure image , like marketplace uses
2023-12-22 21:08:30 <minimal> what is a gallery app?
2023-12-22 21:08:35 <morena> no idea ;/
2023-12-22 21:08:52 <morena> there are 1000 steps, on of them was about soem gallery
2023-12-22 21:09:33 <minimal> so you need to be more specific about what you were doing when you had an error...
2023-12-22 21:10:02 <morena> I think it was azure compute gallery now i READ
2023-12-22 21:10:36 <morena> https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/azure/virtual-machines/shared-image-galleries?tabs=azure-cli
2023-12-22 21:11:57 <minimal> so which "az" command did you run that failed?
2023-12-22 21:12:49 <minimal> "az sig image-definition create"?
2023-12-22 21:13:25 <morena> uf
2023-12-22 21:13:33 <morena> I did it in web
2023-12-22 21:13:54 <morena> bc. powernonsense I think I did not find way how to upload it within in 
2023-12-22 21:13:59 <morena> it
2023-12-22 21:14:13 <morena> but I should do it in powershell probably again
2023-12-22 21:14:52 <minimal> it is going to bre hard for anyone to help you if you can't give precise information on exactly what you did
2023-12-22 21:15:39 <morena> it's impossible
2023-12-22 21:15:50 <morena> who can remember all 1000 steps and shit what happens in azure
2023-12-22 21:16:09 <morena> but I will try soon again all crap 
2023-12-22 21:16:12 <minimal> so who can help you when you can't give more than vague references to what the problem was?
2023-12-22 21:16:19 <morena> you!
2023-12-22 21:16:36 <morena> otherwise I will ask refund
2023-12-22 21:17:02 <minimal> you never paid me any money in the first place ;-)
2023-12-22 21:18:20 <morena> that's just excuse ;/
2023-12-22 21:18:28 <morena> anyway, I will try soon all that nonsense process 
2023-12-22 21:18:35 <morena> and will bother you probably again or not
2023-12-22 21:18:47 <morena> obviously during your working office hours ;/
2023-12-22 21:19:06 <minimal> using the "az" CLI would be a more reproducable way to do things...
2023-12-22 21:19:08 <morena> ah already got headache from all that powershell thing
2023-12-22 21:19:12 <morena> ye
2023-12-22 21:19:17 <minimal> I don't have working office hours ;-)
2023-12-22 21:19:23 <morena> I remember I download that .vhd there
2023-12-22 21:19:36 <morena> but was not able to somehow tell other commands where it is
2023-12-22 21:19:56 <morena> so then I moved into web
2023-12-22 21:20:02 <morena> and that was probably even worse pain
2023-12-22 21:23:38 <morena> btw. before I start all that nonsense
2023-12-22 21:23:50 <morena> should it be even uploaded iinto that gallery?
2023-12-22 21:24:15 <morena> or first somehow installed localy or wherever and then export some crap
2023-12-22 21:24:29 <morena> or it should be like ready easy peasy thing, upload and forget ;/
2023-12-22 21:35:40 <minimal> that sounds like an Azure question, not an Alpine-specific one
2023-12-22 21:53:16 <morena> ajaj
2023-12-22 21:53:25 <morena> already got into mixed powershell and web
2023-12-22 22:01:02 <morena> somewhere in the process I got that error about fixed size ;/
2023-12-22 22:01:30 <morena> Disk 'azure_alpine-3.19.0-x86_64-uefi-cloudinit-r0.vhd' with blob https://tester333.blob.core.windows.net:8443/container233/azure_alpine-3.19.0-x86_64-uefi-cloudinit-r0.vhd is of Dynamic VHD type. Please retry with fixed VHD type. (Code: BadRequest)
2023-12-22 22:33:46 <minimal> morena: right, so it's an issue that when the Alpine infra (that built the disk image) converted it to a VHD it ended up as a Dynamic VHD file whereas Azure wants a Fixed VHD file
2023-12-22 22:35:43 <morena> cool
2023-12-22 22:36:26 <morena> I have to admire that they don't encourage people to use it in azure ;/
2023-12-22 22:37:06 <minimal> the infra script forgot to pass the right option to "qemu-img convert" which defaults to Dynamic VHD
2023-12-22 22:37:46 <minimal> so I guess you could try to convert the downloaded image yourself and reupload it again
2023-12-22 22:40:44 <morena> oh
2023-12-22 22:41:13 <morena> would you recommend it to your friend? ;/
2023-12-22 22:42:04 <minimal> "qemu-imf convert -f vpc -O vpc -o subformat=fixed,force_size <original file> <new file>" should do it
2023-12-22 22:43:15 <morena> if things are so easy, to just run command on any OS
2023-12-22 22:43:26 <minimal> oops s/qemu-imf/qemu-img/
2023-12-22 22:44:00 <morena> and then start again all that nonsense? 
2023-12-22 22:44:03 <minimal> well that's what I'd do on Linux. QEMU is available fro Windows AFAIK and so you could get qemu-img installed on Windows too
2023-12-22 22:44:22 <morena> that will be another cool trip probably
2023-12-22 22:44:51 <minimal> which is why using CLI is better than Webinterface - easier to automate/re-run...
2023-12-22 22:46:09 <morena> ye, if every second command does not complain that it misses something
2023-12-22 22:47:59 <minimal> morena: that's what documentation is for...
2023-12-22 22:49:34 <minimal> the only problem with Fixed VHD is the size.......
2023-12-22 23:11:11 <morena> ye, size, luckily this is inclusive community, so they welcome any size
2023-12-22 23:12:38 <morena> sadly openbsd situation there is similar
2023-12-22 23:12:55 <morena> supported probably if hacky waky whole night wasted
2023-12-22 23:38:45 <morena> ah shit
2023-12-22 23:39:01 <morena> so I converted with hyper-v crap into fixed size and will try again
2023-12-22 23:39:19 <morena> don't remember shit, so will quess things and randomly run crap again
2023-12-22 23:41:04 <morena> ye, Mr. Bill has convert-vhd command there
2023-12-22 23:46:02 <minimal> morena: what openbsd situation?
2023-12-22 23:48:19 <morena> I mean, they say, one has to craete .vhd and do the same process practically
2023-12-22 23:48:45 <morena> it's even in their official docs, not like alpine, they don't even know it exist ;/
2023-12-22 23:49:31 <morena> will see, what will happen now, I am uploading fixed alpine into some container blob or whatever that nonsense is called
2023-12-22 23:49:39 <morena> it has 1GB
2023-12-22 23:50:43 <morena> no idea how they are doing it, but even tyhping into irc make it delayed ;/ I mean that uploading img
2023-12-22 23:52:06 <morena> it may now complain about did not finish within some period or so ;/ will see
2023-12-22 23:52:47 <morena> now I took tiny-cloud
2023-12-22 23:52:57 <morena> no idea about differencies
2023-12-22 23:53:21 <morena> but tiny souns a bit better than cloud-init ye
2023-12-22 23:53:35 <minimal> there is differences in functionality between tiny-cloud and cloud-init
2023-12-22 23:53:44 <minimal> I'm the Alpine cloud-init maintainer
2023-12-22 23:56:24 <morena> oh shit
2023-12-22 23:56:46 <morena> so all complains to you, okay, good to know
2023-12-22 23:56:54 <morena> functionality while it is created?
2023-12-22 23:57:16 <morena> I assume both images will do the same job no?
2023-12-22 23:57:21 <minimal> no, I'm the cloud-init *package* maintainer, I'm not involved with the creation of the Alpine Cloud images
2023-12-22 23:57:56 <morena> aha, but the same name, so I thin it is okay to complain to you
2023-12-22 23:58:01 <minimal> tiny-cloud and cloud-init run when the VM is actually run, it is run-toime functionality not build-time functionality
2023-12-22 23:58:12 <morena> oh
2023-12-22 23:58:44 <minimal> tiny-cloud is Alpine-specific, cloud-init is used by numerous Linux (and some BSD) distros
2023-12-22 23:59:40 <morena> interesting and that shit can't setup things but it needs to run all the time to take care of things?
2023-12-22 23:59:54 <minimal> eh?
2023-12-23 00:00:04 <morena> ye, exactly that
2023-12-23 00:00:09 <minimal> you should read up on cloud-init
2023-12-23 00:00:27 <minimal> cloudinit.readthedocs.io
2023-12-23 00:00:58 <morena> ye I am there now
2023-12-23 00:01:05 <morena> but why that crap is not just one time setup
2023-12-23 00:02:03 <morena> or it's just 'first boot' runtime thing?
2023-12-23 00:02:21 <minimal> I don't understand what precisely you're asking
2023-12-23 00:10:50 <morena> it's getting serious now
2023-12-23 00:10:55 <morena> I am creating image, not yet wm
2023-12-23 00:11:05 <morena> but I have good feelings about all shit
2023-12-23 00:13:00 <morena> okay validation passed, now creating vm from that image
2023-12-23 00:13:20 <minimal> and supplying user-data?
2023-12-23 00:13:32 <morena> user-data?
2023-12-23 00:13:41 <minimal> did you read the cloud-init docs?
2023-12-23 00:13:44 <morena> wait I tried to deploy it into arm
2023-12-23 00:13:47 <morena> should I?
2023-12-23 00:14:00 <morena> I took alpine vhd
2023-12-23 00:14:05 <morena> should I read kernel docs? ;/
2023-12-23 00:14:10 <minimal> usually for a Cloud Provider when you create VMs you provide user-data used to configure things
2023-12-23 00:14:33 <morena> will see soon,  have to recreate on x86
2023-12-23 00:14:37 <minimal> so how do you plan to log into the VM?
2023-12-23 00:14:44 <morena> will try ssh
2023-12-23 00:14:48 <morena> it asked for user and ssh
2023-12-23 00:14:51 <morena> in their shit
2023-12-23 00:14:55 <morena> that will  not work?
2023-12-23 00:14:56 <minimal> and how do you expect SSH to work? as what user?
2023-12-23 00:15:24 <morena> so I should add some xml or similar nonsense to soem script section ?
2023-12-23 00:15:36 <minimal> read the cloud-init docs...
2023-12-23 00:16:11 <minimal> typically "cloud images" (not specficially Alpine) only permit key-based access for SSH
2023-12-23 00:18:38 <morena> ye
2023-12-23 00:18:45 <morena> that option is during creation of vm
2023-12-23 00:18:57 <minimal> what option?
2023-12-23 00:19:49 <morena> kurva ;/
2023-12-23 00:19:57 <morena> user and ssh key
2023-12-23 00:20:20 <morena> let's first check if vm will be okay
2023-12-23 00:20:26 <minimal> ok, so then Azure must be passing that as user-data to cloud-init then
2023-12-23 00:20:29 <morena> then if issue I can fight with adding user data somewhere
2023-12-23 00:20:40 <morena> well there is also column for 'user-data'
2023-12-23 00:20:42 <minimal> normally the person creating the VM would define/pass user-data directly
2023-12-23 00:20:52 <morena> but very early it asking for user, as they don't create root or so
2023-12-23 00:21:02 <morena> ye, probably at some special format
2023-12-23 00:21:13 <minimal> root exists but should not be available for SSH access
2023-12-23 00:21:17 <morena> but that one column for ssh and user is at very beginnign of creation will see
2023-12-23 00:21:39 <morena> deployment in the process
2023-12-23 00:21:46 <morena> I was not that far I think before ;/
2023-12-23 00:21:54 <morena> nothing is installing or uploading today
2023-12-23 00:22:02 <morena> it's DEPLOYING!
2023-12-23 00:22:16 <morena> into computer? no into CLOUD!
2023-12-23 00:23:07 <morena> it will be fan a bit later, when AI + quantum computing will be everywhere, so it will be ai quantum cloud whatever
2023-12-23 00:23:20 <morena> and you as package maintainer will be pointless ;/ 
2023-12-23 00:23:47 <Reinhilde> this is a joke, right?
2023-12-23 00:24:18 <morena> what exactly?
2023-12-23 00:24:37 <minimal> I don't get the connection between AI, Quantum Computing and fans...
2023-12-23 00:24:55 <morena> and you see it between computers and 'cloud'?
2023-12-23 00:25:28 <morena> i think my 'deployment' did nto finish yet, but I am excited to try ssh ;/
2023-12-23 00:25:36 <minimal> of course, "cloud" consists of computers
2023-12-23 00:26:28 <morena> interesting it asking me some password after ssh
2023-12-23 00:26:55 <morena> maybe ssh key not already setup ;/
2023-12-23 00:27:15 <morena> oh okay, will check tomorrow during day, now its dark
2023-12-23 00:29:06 <morena> oh
2023-12-23 00:29:12 <morena> so it probably ignore or did not setup well user
2023-12-23 00:29:21 <morena> 'alpine' user did not ask for anything
2023-12-23 00:29:32 <morena> so I assume ssh key is for that user
2023-12-23 00:30:05 <minimal> "alpine" is the default user in the disk image AFAIK. Normally you would create additional users via user-data that you supply
2023-12-23 00:32:42 <morena> ye
2023-12-23 00:32:46 <morena> but I assume I can do all shit later
2023-12-23 00:32:47 <morena> but
2023-12-23 00:32:58 <morena> disk is 1gb much smaller than real disk
2023-12-23 00:33:10 <morena> that can be determined only d uring creation of that vhd?
2023-12-23 00:33:26 <morena> so if want like 20gb I have to create and upload 20gb vhd?
2023-12-23 00:33:31 <minimal> no
2023-12-23 00:33:33 <morena> anyway it's running
2023-12-23 00:33:41 <morena> so I would call it success
2023-12-23 00:33:51 <minimal> <again> read the cloud-init docs...
2023-12-23 00:33:54 <morena> ah
2023-12-23 00:34:00 <morena> I used tiny-cloud ;/
2023-12-23 00:34:13 <morena> and bc. alpine documentation is crap
2023-12-23 00:34:19 <morena> nothing to read, you have explain me everything 
2023-12-23 00:34:48 <minimal> what Alpine docs? cloud-init docs are cloud-init docs regarding of whether you're using Alpine, Debian, Ubuntu etc
2023-12-23 00:35:09 <morena> and tiny-cloud?
2023-12-23 00:35:26 <minimal> I don't believe I "explained" much or anything about tiny-cloud to you
2023-12-23 00:35:37 <morena> ye, nothing yet
2023-12-23 00:35:40 <morena> but I used that image
2023-12-23 00:35:43 <minimal> I thought you were using the cloud-init disk image
2023-12-23 00:35:47 <morena> before
2023-12-23 00:35:58 <morena> now I gave chance a tiny
2023-12-23 00:36:33 <morena> and it did not dissapoint
2023-12-23 00:37:25 <morena> will I find some info about tiny-cloud?
2023-12-23 00:37:53 <morena> or it is some proprietary alpine linux hidden gem? ;/
2023-12-23 00:38:24 <morena> Features: expand the root filesystem to use all available root device space
2023-12-23 00:38:34 <minimal> where would you find info about any Alpine package?
2023-12-23 00:39:10 <minimal> it's not "proprietary", it's Alpine-specific as I mentioned earlier
2023-12-23 00:39:13 <morena> maybe I choose image size default and not bigger
2023-12-23 00:39:29 <morena> ye checking it in annoying gitlab 
2023-12-23 00:40:18 <morena> gui telling me deployment is in the process, still 
2023-12-23 00:40:19 <morena> so 
2023-12-23 00:41:15 <morena> The resource write operation failed to complete successfully, because it reached terminal provisioning state 'Failed'.
2023-12-23 00:42:28 <morena> but it looks it runs well, will restart and see after cigaratte 
2023-12-23 00:42:39 <morena> I will keep you informed minimal-cloud
2023-12-23 00:45:12 <morena> ye I selected just size of vhd image
2023-12-23 00:45:14 <morena> so all good
2023-12-23 00:45:50 <minimal> ?
2023-12-23 00:46:55 <morena> that it showing disk size only 1GB bc. during creatino of wm I selected that option for disk, that it is as disk image
2023-12-23 00:47:14 <morena> so otherwise I assume it would expands as mentioned
2023-12-23 00:47:33 <minimal> ok, so obviously it can't resize if the disk is already the size of the disk image
2023-12-23 00:47:50 <morena> ye, all right
2023-12-23 00:48:08 <morena> all good but i still did not reboot, I want to keep it untouched if it is doing some crap behind the scene ;/
2023-12-23 00:48:16 <morena> for few more minutes
2023-12-23 00:53:36 <morena> I have that bad feeling, it will not boot again ;/
2023-12-23 00:55:42 <morena> it booted
2023-12-23 00:56:04 <morena> -it just look that wm quest agent or whatever does not play well with it, so reporting issue
2023-12-23 00:56:17 <minimal> Azure Agent?
2023-12-23 00:57:28 <morena> A problem with your Virtual machine has been resolved.
2023-12-23 00:57:31 <morena> they say
2023-12-23 00:57:39 <morena> so probably all good
2023-12-23 00:57:43 <minimal> WALinuxAgent? It is *NOT* packaged for Alpine currently
2023-12-23 00:58:02 <morena> will see if I get disconnection of ssh
2023-12-23 00:58:04 <morena> as before
2023-12-23 01:01:01 <minimal> reporting what issue exactly and to whom?
2023-12-23 01:05:50 <morena> what issue?
2023-12-23 01:06:30 <minimal> the issue you mentioned: "it just look that wm quest agent or whatever does not play well with it, so reporting issue"
2023-12-23 01:15:48 <morena> it was just during deploying
2023-12-23 01:15:56 <morena> it spinning too long then report error
2023-12-23 01:16:06 <morena> but after reboot it told me, all is fixed and it looks all good
2023-12-23 01:16:25 <minimal> I assumed that "so reporting issue" meant *you* were reporting an issue to someone/somewhere
2023-12-23 01:17:44 <minimal> as I previously said there is NO WALinuxAgent packaged for Alpine currently and therefore it is not present in the disk image and so any Azure functionality that expects the WALinuxAgent to be present will not be able to talk to it
2023-12-23 01:28:07 <morena> oh that you mean
2023-12-23 01:28:14 <morena> ye obviously
2023-12-23 01:28:23 <morena> but as I previously said, all looks okay
2023-12-23 01:28:32 <morena> I just have some shit with two ip or whatever it created
2023-12-23 01:30:04 <morena> ye it complains again about provisioning
2023-12-23 01:30:18 <morena> maybe bc. it asking that wal agent something
2023-12-23 02:25:50 <inky> folks, i have a problem with a package, i cannot solve for several days.
2023-12-23 02:26:17 <inky> i get: 
2023-12-23 02:26:17 <inky> i am also unable to remove and install those again.
2023-12-23 02:26:17 <inky> apk upgrade cannot upgrade 2 packages: icu-data-full and breeze-icons5.
2023-12-23 02:26:17 <inky> (1/2) Upgrading icu-data-full (74.1-r0 -> 74.2-r0)
2023-12-23 02:26:17 <inky> ERROR: Failed to create usr/share/icu/74.2/icudt74l.dat: Connection aborted
2023-12-23 02:26:19 <inky> ERROR: icu-data-full-74.2-r0: BAD signature
2023-12-23 02:26:19 <inky> not able to force, not able to fix, also after apk cache clean.
2023-12-23 02:26:27 <inky> i tried another mirror too. i think this issue is local for me.
2023-12-23 02:28:08 <inky> and i am using postmarketos. but they also don't answer. i guess this package is from alpine repos.
2023-12-23 02:33:58 <inky> ok very interesting. i went to /var/cache/apk and removed everything manually. and that helped. but i was doing apk cache clean before and it didn't help.
2023-12-23 03:01:31 <morena> okay I will try cloud-init vhd as tiny has issue during deployment, even it  deploys somehow, azure complains a lot
2023-12-23 03:29:38 <estemen> hello
2023-12-23 04:23:21 <morena> I assume that these shitty errors are due to missing wm agent
2023-12-23 05:31:55 <morena> okay, now it looks okay, will see as I experience weird ssh freeze before
2023-12-23 05:32:29 <morena> disabled that linux agent extension that it does not bitch
2023-12-23 05:56:26 <cow123> z
2023-12-23 05:57:20 <cow123> after updating my alpine edge system recently I am getting qemu segfaults when I try and passthrough a gpu with vfio.
2023-12-23 05:57:26 <cow123> qemu-system-x86[15649]: segfault at 5c302b80 ip 00007f941d743a7f sp 00007fff5c302738 error 4 in ld-musl-x86_64.so.1[7f941d6ff000+54000] likely on CPU 8 (core 16, socket 0)
2023-12-23 06:30:57 <acsqdotme> hey there. I am having issues getting 2fa authentication to work with my yubikey on alpine. This is me trying to log into codeberg on firefox in wayland: https://pasteboard.co/WDh2mnY7kgTM.png
2023-12-23 06:31:32 <acsqdotme> I plug in my yubikey, and it flashes on, but tapping it does nothing.
2023-12-23 06:32:16 <acsqdotme> ykman can find my key just fine. I'm just having an issue with this feature specifically.
2023-12-23 06:35:38 <acsqdotme> oh dang, I got it.
2023-12-23 06:36:07 <acsqdotme> just had to install libfido2 then addgroup user plugdev
2023-12-23 06:37:35 <ahmadraniri[m]> Hello, do you guys have personal APKBUILD collections ? I'm trying to make my self some APKBUILD (for personal use only). Links : https://gitlab.com/lidgnulinux/apkbuild_lidg/
2023-12-23 10:06:26 <cristian_c> hello
2023-12-23 10:06:42 <cristian_c> it was pointed out that dbus APKBUILD should install dbus-daemon-launch-helper: https://git.alpinelinux.org/aports/tree/main/dbus/APKBUILD
2023-12-23 10:06:55 <cristian_c> amove usr/libexec/dbus-daemon-launch-helper
2023-12-23 10:07:09 <cristian_c> but /usr/libexec does not list dbus-daemon-launch-helper, instead
2023-12-23 10:07:19 <cristian_c> I don't know why this happens
2023-12-23 10:07:28 <cristian_c> any ideas?
2023-12-23 12:47:39 <leitz> How do I modify a user's uid and gid? moduser and adduser don't seem to work.
2023-12-23 12:47:46 <leitz> Using Alpine 3.18
2023-12-23 13:59:24 <cyclisme24[m]> cristian_c: suggest you use the Alpone wiki more and search for "dbus*" sans speech marks on the Alpine pkg sub site. You can answer most of the questions you are asking. 
2023-12-23 14:00:02 <cyclisme24[m]> s/Alpone/Alpine/
2023-12-23 14:46:14 <cristian_c> cyclisme24[m], I've looked at those pages in the past days
2023-12-23 14:46:33 <cristian_c> cyclisme24[m], what do you want me to point out, in particular?
2023-12-23 15:46:23 <morena> minimal: all looks okay in azure, I disabled that linux agent extension so it does not complain 
2023-12-23 18:22:15 <leitz> Any thoughts on moduser or usermod?
2023-12-23 18:38:48 <minimal> leitz: did you check the usermod manpage?
2023-12-23 18:40:10 <morena> I am annoyed already!
2023-12-23 18:40:40 <morena> ergo irc does not run well as some user permission shit
2023-12-23 18:40:50 <morena> ngirc packaged with PAM and not identd
2023-12-23 18:41:02 <morena> where these dumb ideas come from 
2023-12-23 18:49:31 <minimal> morena: "dumb ideas"? not everyone necessarily wants all functionality of a program enabled as it may then drag in a large number of dependancies
2023-12-23 18:49:54 <morena> ye, exactly
2023-12-23 18:50:07 <morena> so adding PAM and additiional package is pretty opposite
2023-12-23 18:51:49 <minimal> well if you have any constructive comments or raise a MR then perhaps the package maintainer might look into them
2023-12-23 19:23:25 <dwfreed> ngircd requires libident for ident support (lol), which is not packaged
2023-12-23 19:36:14 <leitz> minimal, no usermod on the OS, and no usermod package given by "apk list".
2023-12-23 19:36:41 <dwfreed> apk add cmd:usermod
2023-12-23 19:36:42 <minimal> it is part of shadow package
2023-12-23 19:37:04 <minimal> you asked about usermod earlier so I assumed you already had it installed
2023-12-23 19:44:24 <leitz> minimal, I'm used to other versions of Linux, still figuring out Alpine. The shadow package did the trick, thanks!
2023-12-23 20:55:07 <jonesv> Instead of generating a new key for aport with `abuild-keygen`, can't I reuse my SSH key? Or my GPG key?
2023-12-23 20:55:14 <jonesv> For making and signing aport packages, I mean
2023-12-23 20:58:04 <minimal> it is a SSH key
2023-12-23 21:00:26 <minimal> oops, its a OpenSSL generated keypair. The Wiki page about abuild-keygen shows how to alternatively use the OpenSSL command to generate them
2023-12-23 21:01:04 <minimal> I guess everyone's using RSA keys, don't know if anything like ED2259 is supported
2023-12-23 21:02:34 <jonesv> hmm I have ED2259 keys with my Yubikey, I was hoping that I could reuse that
2023-12-23 21:03:39 <dwfreed> could use the pkcs11 app for it
2023-12-23 21:04:50 <minimal> jonesv: have you tried?
2023-12-23 21:07:46 <jonesv> minimal: I'm not yet completely clear where the keys are supposed to go. There are public keys in /etc/apk/keys, but I am not sure where to put the private key
2023-12-23 21:46:17 <minimal> jonesv: I set up this up ages ago so trying to remember, think you can create a ~/.abuild home subdir of the user you're running abuild as and put them there
2023-12-23 21:55:17 <geistio> hi! anyone has got an idea why services "savecache" and "mount-ro" don't seem to be executed upon shutting down or rebooting the system? "rc-update show shutdown" lists both service so i would assume that openrc should actually execute them. 
2023-12-23 21:57:13 <dwfreed> what makes you think they are not?
2023-12-23 21:57:29 <jonesv> minimal: right, yeah actually now I have an error before that when running `abuild rootbld`: "envsubst: error while reading "standard input": Is a directory
2023-12-23 21:58:55 <geistio> dwfreed: i've configured verbose logging for openrc and the services are not being logged. however, i can see "Executing: /lib/rc/sh/openrc-run.sh /lib/rc/sh/openrc-run.sh /etc/init.d/killprocs start" followed by "Terminating remaining processes ...[   55.521415] reboot: Power down"
2023-12-23 22:01:39 <dwfreed> I believe killprocs will kill the logger
2023-12-23 22:02:43 <dwfreed> so if savecache runs after killprocs (and it would, as it sorts after and there's no deps), it wouldn't be logged
2023-12-23 22:03:26 <dwfreed> and mount-ro obviously runs after killprocs
2023-12-23 22:04:31 <geistio> dwfreed: ah! that would explain it. i'll check that, but thanks for this valuable hint
2023-12-23 22:08:55 <geistio> dwfreed: confirmed! thank you very much
2023-12-23 22:25:02 <geistio> within the context of an openrc script that is executed in the "shutdown" runlevel, is there a way to distinguish between a reboot and a poweroff? unfortunately, the env variables like RC_RUNLEVEL=shutdown are not really helpful...
2023-12-23 22:28:32 <dwfreed> RC_REBOOT
2023-12-23 22:29:04 <dwfreed> will be "YES" if rebooting
2023-12-23 22:29:34 <dwfreed> if yesno $RC_REBOOT; then echo "we're rebooting"; else echo "we're not rebooting"; fi
2023-12-23 22:32:28 <geistio> dwfreed: for some reason RC_REBOOT is not defined...
2023-12-23 22:32:45 <dwfreed> then you either are not rebooting, or you are not rebooting properly
2023-12-23 22:34:02 <dwfreed> yeah, alpine does not tell openrc it is rebooting
2023-12-23 22:34:30 <dwfreed> https://github.com/alpinelinux/aports/blob/fac61206a40af9953098ec61a7d9ecc89bc1e02b/main/alpine-baselayout/inittab#L22
2023-12-23 22:37:24 <geistio> dwfreed: do you see a way to fix that?
2023-12-23 22:37:33 <dwfreed> openrc treats "openrc reboot" as if you'd done "openrc shutdown" but then sets the RC_REBOOT=YES I mentioned; since alpine doesn't ever call "openrc reboot" openrc never knows it's rebooting
2023-12-23 22:37:45 <dwfreed> depends on how busybox init is implemented
2023-12-23 22:38:29 <dwfreed> this is how gentoo does it in sysvinit: https://github.com/gentoo/gentoo/blob/master/sys-apps/sysvinit/files/inittab-2.98-r1
2023-12-23 22:38:38 <dwfreed> if the same can be done with busybox init, that'd work
2023-12-23 22:42:04 <geistio> dwfreed: thanks, i'll have a look at that
2023-12-23 22:55:34 <jonesv> Given that abuild "traces dependencies" itself, do I need to also add them into the `depends=` of my APKBUILD?
2023-12-23 23:57:30 <sertonix[m]> The gitlab CI had system problems on arm architectures for me. Is that a general problem?
2023-12-24 02:48:48 <xgpt> question, proxmox has LXC templates, the last one is 3.18 for alpine. Does anyone know is that's correct or who manages that?
2023-12-24 02:52:08 <minimal> xgpt: so the template came with proxmox? that would imply either proxmox "manages" it, or else they downloaded it from somewhere (like from the lxc-container people)
2023-12-24 02:56:42 <xgpt> yeah, not sure where they are getting it, their documentation is a little thick
2023-12-24 02:56:58 <xgpt> I'm honestly considering just installing an OS bare metal and skipping this VM nonsense.
2023-12-24 02:57:13 <xgpt> proxmox is neat but I'm not really getting much out of it since it's on a single host
2023-12-24 02:57:27 <xgpt> although it has been awesome to be able to spin up and destroy VMs for free and instantly
2023-12-24 02:57:40 <xgpt> vs. using vultr. in the past
2023-12-24 02:58:49 <quinq> free VMs?
2023-12-24 03:00:06 <minimal> there is lxd and (soon) incus [I'm currently working on its packaging for Alpine] for doing both LXD containers and VMs
2023-12-24 04:46:31 <Someone[m]1> Why does alpine installer use the entire disk for root partition? (I know I can create the partition myself, mount them and do setup-disk -m sys /mnt)
2023-12-24 04:47:45 <minimal> Someone[m]1: because it does.......you can however manually partition the disk before running setup-disk
2023-12-24 04:48:00 <minimal> what would you expect it to do otherwise?
2023-12-24 04:48:17 <Someone[m]1> I suggest having the installer detecting disk capacity and suggest a separate /var, /home, /usr it it is big 
2023-12-24 04:48:52 <minimal> Alpine doesn't use separate partitions/filesystems like that
2023-12-24 04:49:22 <minimal> like Alpine itself the install is "simple", it doesn't cater for 101 different ways to do things
2023-12-24 04:50:26 <Someone[m]1> It is suitable for small disk, but with large disk you should partition it to take security benefits
2023-12-24 04:50:36 <Someone[m]1> do partitioning like this
2023-12-24 04:50:37 <Someone[m]1> https://web.archive.org/web/20230320152652/man.openbsd.org/disklabel.8#AUTOMATIC_DISK_ALLOCATION
2023-12-24 04:51:47 <minimal> Someone[m]1: again, the installer is designed to be "simple"
2023-12-24 04:52:28 <Someone[m]1> openbsd installer suggest multiple partition for different mount point and if the user don't want to understand they can simply "use automatic layout (or something I can't remember)"
2023-12-24 04:52:46 <minimal> this is Alpine, not OpenBSD
2023-12-24 04:52:59 <Someone[m]1> ohhhhhhhhh
2023-12-24 04:53:29 <minimal> you're welcome to submit a MR for installer changes to do what you want and see if it gets merged...
2023-12-24 04:56:18 <Someone[m]1> quick question, where is it located :)
2023-12-24 04:57:24 <minimal> https://gitlab.alpinelinux.org/alpine/alpine-conf
2023-12-24 06:01:48 <iggy> I highly doubt there are legitimate security benefits to separating partitions, and the number of times I've had a bad day because someone did that would be a lot of nickels
2023-12-24 07:48:06 <lunazest> 
ACTION is playing with Alpine on a Pi4 atm 

2023-12-24 08:18:41 <cristian_c> is normal install_if having empty package argument?
2023-12-24 08:18:45 <cristian_c> 	install_if="$pkgname=$pkgver-r$pkgrel"
2023-12-24 08:18:50 <cristian_c> any ideas?
2023-12-24 08:27:04 <ikke> cristian_c: no, that would not be normal
2023-12-24 08:28:30 <cristian_c> btw, I've found https://git.alpinelinux.org/aports/commit/main?id=62c858b85bb379fb014cfe188f4cb25ed75f76e3
2023-12-24 08:28:58 <cristian_c> minimal, tc, ss
2023-12-24 08:29:59 <cristian_c> now, I've run doas apk fix dbus-daemon-launch-helper and dbus-daemon-launch-helper has appeared inside /usr/libexec
2023-12-24 08:30:14 <cristian_c> https://git.alpinelinux.org/aports/tree/main/dbus/APKBUILD
2023-12-24 08:30:59 <pj> this is correct
2023-12-24 08:31:08 <pj> (iproute2)
2023-12-24 08:35:46 <cristian_c> now, after running sddm rc-service start, file manager shows partitions under devices
2023-12-24 08:38:10 <cristian_c> now, when I plug flash drive into usb port, file manager reacts somewhat (it shows "Error mounting /dev/sdc1 at /run/media/... Filesystem type not configured in kernel" btw)
2023-12-24 08:39:00 <cristian_c> *exfat
2023-12-24 08:41:28 <cristian_c> and vfat too
2023-12-24 08:47:37 <cristian_c> now, after installing exfatprogs package and rebooting, usb flash drive is properly mounted in file manager
2023-12-24 08:47:42 <lunazest> is there a way to see what Window managers is avalible for aarch64?
2023-12-24 08:58:57 <ikke> There is no direct list for WMs for aarch64
2023-12-24 08:59:07 <ikke> generally all that are package should be available for aarch64
2023-12-24 08:59:12 <ikke> packaged*
2023-12-24 09:00:56 <lunazest> alright 
2023-12-24 09:21:35 <acsqdotme> hey is there some standard issue people have been having with firefox on wayland? each alpine system I've had recently always has the same issue where I can't spawn new ff windows with the "Firefox is already running, but is not responding. To use Firefox,..." error popping up.
2023-12-24 09:25:10 <jbg> what's the easiest way to get stdout/stderr from a script in /etc/local.d to print to the console during boot?
2023-12-24 09:25:59 <lunazest> https://i.imgur.com/MZYCI5K.png
2023-12-24 09:38:17 <acsqdotme> doris pi looks absolutely awesome.
2023-12-24 09:39:01 <acsqdotme> did you just use the guide on the official wiki to install alpine on there?
2023-12-24 09:54:48 <lunazest> acsqdotme: yep and some googling around for other guides first time i am using Alpine more serious only tried it with iSH on an iPhone 6 years ago before
2023-12-24 09:54:57 <lunazest> thinking if i should stay with XFCE or try something else
2023-12-24 09:55:07 <lunazest> just had this spare so playing around
2023-12-24 09:57:05 <ikke> acsqdotme: Sounds like some dbus setup is missing
2023-12-24 10:05:14 <lunazest> Is there a way to install -lang packages for all packages i have installed automaticly some way?
2023-12-24 10:07:05 <ikke> apk add lang
2023-12-24 10:07:16 <ikke> https://gitlab.alpinelinux.org/alpine/abuild/-/blob/master/abuild.in#L954
2023-12-24 10:07:36 <lunazest> ikke: thx :)
2023-12-24 10:09:49 <acsqdotme> dang yeah. dbus is making me upset.
2023-12-24 10:09:59 <lunazest> worked thank you
2023-12-24 10:12:08 <acsqdotme> what do I need to do to set up dbus at start for my user? do I just run this command in my .profile? dbus-daemon --nofork --address unix:path=$XDG_RUNTIME_DIR/bus --session
2023-12-24 10:13:17 <acsqdotme> I already have the service defaulted and running, but I can only get something like notify-send to function if I first run dbus-run-session -- zsh then run it from that particular terminal.
2023-12-24 10:14:28 <sewn> acsqdotme: dbus-run-session -- sway
2023-12-24 10:14:34 <acsqdotme> I tried launching my window manager with a similar method for my wayland startup script: dbus-run-session -- dwl, but that didn't help.
2023-12-24 10:14:46 <sewn> is the dbus bus variable not exported?
2023-12-24 10:15:55 <acsqdotme> don't see dbus anything in env.
2023-12-24 10:35:00 <lunazest> went with i3 as wm
2023-12-24 10:40:50 <lunazest> https://imgur.com/BmoyEYX.jpg
2023-12-24 10:42:22 <acsqdotme> I've made something approaching progress on the dbus thing.
2023-12-24 10:42:35 <acsqdotme> here's my script again for starting up dwl.
2023-12-24 10:42:37 <acsqdotme> https://paste.sr.ht/~acsqdotme/92d48f0574ab993643e5703ba7a7b8504761eddb
2023-12-24 10:42:57 <acsqdotme> firefox works with spawning mulitple windows!
2023-12-24 10:44:00 <acsqdotme> but I can't get notify-send to work with dbus at all anymore unlike when I ran it just inside a terminal.
2023-12-24 10:44:02 <acsqdotme> https://paste.sr.ht/~acsqdotme/a764bf5290ae0d27265b663fc046b7c1d73015e0
2023-12-24 10:47:28 <acsqdotme> and I'm still having the same issues trying to get pipewire to work with dbus that I had before.
2023-12-24 13:02:59 <jonesv> I am struggling with `abuild rootbld` which gives me the following output: https://paste.sr.ht/blob/4e3a25be7561f10ad7483f2fd1e5df2aa0658d1e. The error seems to be "envsubst: error while reading "standard input": Is a directory" or "ERROR: unable to select packages". Any idea what could cause this?
2023-12-24 13:03:11 <jonesv> Note that `abuild` works, just `abuild rootbld` fails like this...
2023-12-24 13:10:07 <ham5urg> How can I run a machine as headless with built in GPU? I want to pass through the GPU to an win-xen-vm. 
2023-12-24 13:10:20 <ikke> jonesv: that means that $startdir/../.rootbld-repositories is a directory, not a file
2023-12-24 13:10:39 <ikke> ham5urg: what's the contexT?
2023-12-24 13:12:59 <ham5urg> jonesv, I run alpine under xen as a dom0 instance. No monitor attached. A win-domU works as remote-desktop. I would like to enhance the graphics by passing a real GPU to that win-domU
2023-12-24 13:13:17 <ham5urg> Sorry, I meant ikke
2023-12-24 14:26:38 <jonesv> ikke: oooh, it does make sense. But then I'm a bit confused. If I remove the directory or even if I `touch .rootbld-repositories` instead, it says "ERROR: inhibit-idle: rootbld: /home/jones/tmp/inhibit-idle-pkg/../.rootbld-repositories does not exist". I can `ls` that very path and it will show that it exists...
2023-12-24 14:27:29 <ikke> jonesv: .rootbld-repositories should be present in the repository already
2023-12-24 14:27:39 <ikke> or are you trying to build something out of aports?
2023-12-24 14:29:21 <jonesv> ikke: I am out of aports, I am just trying to build my own APKBUILD for learning
2023-12-24 14:29:53 <jonesv> ikke: felt overkill to clone aports and put it in testing
2023-12-24 14:30:18 <ikke> This is the contents: https://tpaste.us/kX9a 
2023-12-24 14:31:43 <jonesv> ikke: oh now it works! \o/
2023-12-24 14:32:08 <jonesv> It apparently installs a whole bunch of stuff in the chroot, I suppose (as compared to just running `abuild`)
2023-12-24 14:32:24 <ikke> yes, it first needs to install a chroot before it can build
2023-12-24 14:42:47 <jonesv> ikke: thanks a lot, now it works! And it installs my package in `~/packages/tmp/x86_64/`, and now I can `apk add ~/packages/tmp/x86_64/my_package.apk` :)
2023-12-24 14:42:57 <ikke> nice :)
2023-12-24 14:43:40 <jonesv> ikke: also `abuild rootbld` is better than `abuild` because (on top of sandboxing) it helped me with `depends=` and `makedepends=`!
2023-12-24 15:58:45 <elly> something odd is going on with power management on my framework laptop after a recent update - /sys/class/power_supply/BAT1/current_now is reporting unrealistically low values, it currently claims 0.38 amps being drawn against a capacity of 31.26 Ah
2023-12-24 15:59:08 <elly> has anyone else observed similar?
2023-12-24 15:59:18 <elly> that's kernel 6.6.7-lts
2023-12-24 15:59:39 <ikke> Have not heard of similar reports myself
2023-12-24 16:00:01 <elly> huh, I wonder if something is wrong with my battery
2023-12-24 16:01:24 <elly> if I peg one core at 100% load, the alleged draw goes up to 1.42 amps, but it still thinks I have like 25 hours of battery life, which... would be great if true :P
2023-12-24 16:03:32 <ikke> :D
2023-12-24 16:03:33 <elly> ok, I think it is actually /sys/class/power_supply/BAT1/charge_now reporting a way-too-high value instead, because it claims it has 31 amp-hours, which is... a lot
2023-12-24 16:04:08 <elly> (like, way more than it ought to be)
2023-12-24 16:06:13 <elly> I don't see any obvious changes in the kernel git log that look related, hmm
2023-12-24 22:16:22 <jonesv> ikke: So I tried to replace my abuild-generated key with my yubikey (ecdsa), and it says: "Could not read private key from [...]. ERROR: failed to sign". I guess it needs rsa?
2023-12-24 22:19:50 <ikke> yes
2023-12-25 10:06:38 <linux818> hello, I've noticed that some i915 (Intel graphics) drivers are missing from the kernel modules in alpine, whereas in ubuntu/fedora they are included. why would they not include them in  alpine and how can i include them if i need to use them. thanks guys
2023-12-25 10:13:47 <Ermine> you need to compile your own kernel. Or file an issue with config options you'd like to be enabled
2023-12-25 10:14:01 <Ermine> i915 is enabled though
2023-12-25 10:25:09 <quinq> $ grep -F I915 /boot/config-6.6.8-0-lts
2023-12-25 10:25:09 <quinq> CONFIG_DRM_I915=m
2023-12-25 10:25:12 <quinq> 
ACTION confirms

2023-12-25 10:33:27 <linux818> Ermine:  how do you file an issue? is that on the github page or something?
2023-12-25 10:33:56 <quinq> There's no github page
2023-12-25 10:34:39 <quinq> There's an bugtracker though
2023-12-25 10:34:51 <quinq> https://wiki.alpinelinux.org/wiki/Alpine_Linux:FAQ
2023-12-25 10:35:10 <linux818> i915 is there but the gvt is not included. i think its better if they include these in alpine rather than make people compile it themselves. there's no reason not to include it since its in ubuntu. i'd like to know why they didnt include it as well
2023-12-25 10:37:13 <linux818> in ubuntu you will find a folder at ls -la /lib/modules/.../kernel/drivers/gpu/drm/i915/gvt 
2023-12-25 10:37:18 <quinq> Ubuntu is not a standard that other linux configurations have to follow
2023-12-25 10:39:02 <linux818> quinq its not just ubuntu though its in arch/fedora/ ... name any other mainstream linux and it's there
2023-12-25 10:39:24 <quinq> still
2023-12-25 10:39:40 <quinq> You might argue that this is something useful for most use cases
2023-12-25 10:39:51 <quinq> But just saying that others do it isn't a good argument at all
2023-12-25 10:42:41 <linux818> quinq got you. if it's ok with you then i'd like to raise a ticket to have this included in the next release because i can't see any good reason why it's not included
2023-12-25 10:43:43 <quinq> I'm not directly involved in Alpine maintenance, but as Ermine suggested, don't hesitate to raise your request there :)
2023-12-25 10:59:57 <Ermine> Alpine virtues stem from different point of view: one needs a good reason to include stuff, not a good reason not to include stuff
2023-12-25 11:50:44 <zcrayfish> gvt would be a nice driver to have...
2023-12-25 14:39:45 <Ermine> Meanwhile, trying nslookup on a local domain name
2023-12-25 14:40:38 <Ermine> It returns non-authoritative answer with valid ip, and then NXDOMAIN
2023-12-25 14:42:55 <Ermine> Since s6-dnsip and dig show correct results, I suppose it's on musl side
2023-12-25 14:55:47 <i9j8k7> hi, which package contains manpages from printf, getline etc?
2023-12-25 14:56:08 <i9j8k7> s/from/for/
2023-12-25 15:26:01 <kurth4cker> i9j8k7: try man-pages
2023-12-25 15:38:41 <i9j8k7> yes, thanks kurth4cker
2023-12-25 15:49:26 <cristian_c> hi
2023-12-25 15:49:43 <cristian_c> after upgrading alpine, I can't enter desktop anymore
2023-12-25 15:50:05 <cristian_c> after upgrading alpine to 3.19, I can't enter desktop anymore
2023-12-25 15:51:50 <cristian_c> if I run doas rc-service sddm start, I get a bunch of traps: sddm-greeter trap invalid opcode error:0 in libQt5Gui.so.5.15.10
2023-12-25 15:52:08 <cristian_c> and tty appears and disappears
2023-12-25 15:52:39 <cristian_c> I've searched a lot for info but I've found nothing useful
2023-12-25 15:52:43 <cristian_c> any ideas?
2023-12-25 15:53:25 <cristian_c> * if I run doas rc-service sddm start, I get a bunch of traps: sddm-greeter trap invalid opcode error:0 in libQt5Gui.so.5.15.10 in dmesg output
2023-12-25 15:55:01 <caskd[m]> could you send us what CPU model you use?
2023-12-25 15:56:16 <cristian_c> caskd[m], it should be core 2 duo
2023-12-25 15:57:36 <cristian_c> caskd[m], I confirm, T5750
2023-12-25 15:58:06 <cristian_c> any ideas about the issue?
2023-12-25 18:36:35 <bananicorn> ncopa: Thanks for merging the patch for 
2023-12-25 18:37:07 <bananicorn> ...loading the keymap for ZFS, I had already forgotten 😅
2023-12-25 18:37:19 <bananicorn> And sorry about the typo :)
2023-12-25 18:41:00 <bangersnmash> Hello, all. I have a laptop that hangs at "Loading hardware drivers" after upgrading. Essentially bare install machine, terminal only, etc. Was working after initial USB install, reboot, etc. After updating to edge and rebooting, it just hangs at this point in loading. Does anyone have any ideas?
2023-12-25 18:44:39 <minimal> bangersnmash: missing firmware or missing driver(s) for some hardware?
2023-12-25 18:45:01 <minimal> when you "updated" to Edge did you actually do the correct sequence of commands?
2023-12-25 18:45:37 <minimal> the -a/--available option for "apk upgrade" is important
2023-12-25 18:46:53 <bangersnmash> Hm. I actually did _not_ specify the -a tag. Thanks for that suggestion. Can you explain what it does that was so crucial? I updated the repository list, ran update and then upgrade.
2023-12-25 18:51:53 <minimal> the need for this is documented in each recent Release Note
2023-12-25 18:52:22 <minimal> if you don't use this for a version upgrade (which includes switching from 3.19 -> Edge) then some packages may not be upgraded
2023-12-25 18:53:00 <bangersnmash> Great. I appreciate it!
2023-12-25 18:53:06 <bangersnmash> Have a great new year!
2023-12-25 20:20:53 <bangersnmash> minimal: it seems it was not due to the lack of -a flag. I just reinstalled and tried again. After base install, I ran update and upgrade (with -a). Then, I chose a new repo mirror based on speed, set commented out the pinned version and uncommented edge. Update and upgrade -a , restart, same issue
2023-12-25 20:25:16 <minimal> I didn't specifically say that was the cause of your problem, rather that the previous upgrade may have had problems due to the missing "--available"
2023-12-25 20:26:02 <minimal> anyway, you'd have to give some more info for anyone to help - which version did you upgrade from? 3.19.0? 3.18.5?
2023-12-25 20:26:21 <minimal> what type of laptop is it? has it any "unusual" hardware?
2023-12-25 20:31:46 <bangersnmash> Ah, I misunderstood your previous suggestion. Sorry! The ISO is 3.16 x83 (32-bit) for an old Sony Vaio VGN-P.
2023-12-25 20:34:35 <bangersnmash> minimal: I guess the 3.16 ISO uses 5.15.41
2023-12-25 20:35:02 <minimal> bangersnmash: do you have it currently running 3.16?
2023-12-25 20:35:22 <minimal> from ISO I mean
2023-12-25 20:37:56 <minimal> if so, what do "grep cmov /proc/cpuinfo" and "grep sse2 /proc/cpuinfo" return?
2023-12-25 20:38:38 <bangersnmash> minimal: I can run it via ISO and reboot and it still works fine. Just starting back ino the live USB again, one moment...
2023-12-25 21:03:00 <bangersnmash> minimal: https://sprunge.us/r1cvSn and https://sprunge.us/6ErdLb
2023-12-25 21:33:04 <minimal> bangersm,ash: ok, it's not what I thought might be the problem - as of Alpine 3.19 & Edge old Intel CPUs that don't support SSE2 and CMOV instructions are no longer supported
2023-12-25 21:33:12 <minimal> but your CPU supports both
2023-12-25 21:42:54 <bangersnmash> :( Yeah, I don't understand it nor do I know where to turn to investigate on my own. Install from ISO, 5.15.145 works fine. Perhaps it only loccurs when I switch to edge. 
2023-12-25 21:45:23 <minimal> perhaps try 3.18 to see if that works?
2023-12-25 22:07:44 <bangersnmash> minimal: I will give that a shot shortly. Thanks, again!
2023-12-25 22:47:45 <bangersnmash> minimal: 3.18 works!
2023-12-25 22:49:10 <bangersnmash> I wonder what changed between those...
2023-12-25 23:44:35 <minimal> bangersnmash: well the i686 change happened between 3.18 and 3.19/Edge
2023-12-25 23:45:01 <minimal> so even though your processor has CMOV & SSE2 I wonder if there is something related
2023-12-25 23:59:53 <minimal> bangersnmash: this is the commit that introduced the CPU behaviour change: https://gitlab.alpinelinux.org/alpine/aports/-/commit/8f820025bcf606a5adc1bcc970b5a67b33c236c6
2023-12-26 00:00:16 <minimal> I suspect that as your laptop has a very old Atom that it is affected by this change
2023-12-26 00:22:08 <minimal> nangersnmash: any chance you could provide the full output of "cat /proc/cpuinfo" ?
2023-12-26 00:22:16 <minimal> bangersnmash: ^^^
2023-12-26 03:19:33 <mystique> Hey all.. new-ish to Alpine.. I'm playing around with knot-resolver (kresd) and it wants to run multiple processes.. but the /etc/init.d/kresd only allows for one instance.. so I copied kresd to kresd0 and kresd1.. I did rc-update add kresd0 and kresd1 and started them both and (omg) everything seems to be great.. (as far as I can tell at this time.. ) 
2023-12-26 03:20:18 <mystique> I'm looking for someone who knows what I did was wrong.. or if it's wrong at all.. I don't initially see anything wrong.. 
2023-12-26 08:06:16 <ncopa> good morning!
2023-12-26 08:07:16 <ncopa> bananicorn: sorry that it took so long time
2023-12-26 08:07:36 <bananicorn> No problem :)
2023-12-26 09:18:23 <lunazest> Alpine is staying on this Pi 4 :)
2023-12-26 09:28:34 <ikke> Glad you're happy
2023-12-26 11:52:36 <zcrayfish> Considering he joined the alpine email client channel too, I'm assuming he's a weirdo like me who runs Alpine on Alpine
2023-12-26 11:52:39 <zcrayfish> ;)
2023-12-26 11:58:04 <quinq> While driving an Alpine
2023-12-26 11:58:36 <Ermine> While being in Alps
2023-12-26 12:04:28 <quinq> While drinking a glass of génépi
2023-12-26 12:04:32 <quinq> Wait, wat
2023-12-26 13:04:06 <lupo_on_oftc> I've installed Alpine Linux 3.19.0 x86 on an ASUS EeePC 701 4G. Did `apk add qutebrowser py3-adblock`, which installed qutebrowser 3.0.2-r0. Starting qutebrowser fails with "illegal instruction". Suggestions?
2023-12-26 13:14:31 <vkrishn> and i install "texlive" on one of mobile, anyone has a not-so-nice(big) test file to share?
2023-12-26 13:22:29 <vkrishn> even texlive-full installs ok
2023-12-26 13:22:47 <vkrishn> one issue, while, Executing texlive-20230506.66984-r0.trigger
2023-12-26 13:23:05 <vkrishn> fmtutil-sys --all , takes quite a while
2023-12-26 14:15:54 <vkrishn> simple .tex -> .pdf seems nice
2023-12-26 14:38:08 <vkrishn> cool, i think it works, still looking for some big/buggy .tex file to test
2023-12-26 14:40:19 <vkrishn> btw, mobile is redmi-6a(al v3.18.3), going to keep the install and convert it to local man-pages cdn and related apps
2023-12-26 16:27:52 <minimal> lupo_on_oftc: it is possible that your EeePC is not supported by Alpine 3.19 and Edge - Alpine recently changed the "entry level" CPUs it supports. Does your EeePC have an Atom or Celeron-M CPU?
2023-12-26 16:35:38 <lupo_on_oftc> minimal, inxi states: "single core Intel Celeron M".
2023-12-26 16:36:10 <minimal> does it have CMOV and SSE2 CPU instructions?
2023-12-26 16:38:38 <lupo_on_oftc> minimal: inxi states that the CPU has both flags, cmov and sse2.
2023-12-26 16:40:31 <minimal> so in theory it should still be supported: https://gitlab.alpinelinux.org/alpine/aports/-/commit/8f820025bcf606a5adc1bcc970b5a67b33c236c6
2023-12-26 16:47:54 <kwadroke[m]> just tried qutebrowser on my Atom 230. Renderer process crash. Even if it "runs" it may not work on an EEEPC.
2023-12-26 16:50:43 <kwadroke[m]> course my machine uses a different iGPU
2023-12-26 16:51:11 <kwadroke[m]> if I get time I might be able to try on my EEEPC 701
2023-12-26 16:52:35 <kwadroke[m]> I usually use the "surf" browser on the Atom 230 (Acer Revo) and on the EEEPC (currently running Debian before I boxed it up)
2023-12-26 16:53:27 <kwadroke[m]> qutebrowser appears to be running Chromium of some sort. suprised it tries to run at all
2023-12-26 16:53:32 <kwadroke[m]> on x86
2023-12-26 16:56:04 <kwadroke[m]> perhaps setup-alpine on x86 should do some pre-flight checks to make sure that the CPU instructions are good enough before kicking off the install
2023-12-26 16:56:15 <minimal> lupo_on_oftc, kwadroke[m]: could you provide "cat /cpuinfo" output for your CPUs as I'm considering writing a simple CPU validity check for the recent CPU changes
2023-12-26 16:56:29 <minimal> kwadroke[m]: you read my mind ;-)
2023-12-26 16:56:51 <minimal> oops "cat /proc/cpuinfo"
2023-12-26 16:57:49 <kwadroke[m]> flags: fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat clflush dts acpi mmx fxsr sse sse2 ss ht tm pbe nx lm constant_tsc arch_perfmon pebs bts cpuid aperfmperf pni dtes64 monitor ds_cpl tm2 ssse3 cx16 xtpr pdcm movbe lahf_lm dtherm
2023-12-26 16:58:32 <minimal> kwadroke[m]: not just the flags but rather the full "/proc/cpuinfo" output as I'm interested in things like the CPU family etc
2023-12-26 16:58:55 <minimal> using tpaste.us or pastebin.com etc...
2023-12-26 16:59:46 <lupo_on_oftc> kwadroke[m], minimal, https://termbin.com/s185
2023-12-26 17:00:28 <kwadroke[m]> https://gist.github.com/kwadroke/36f2e165554677dc3d9054fad10a3274
2023-12-26 17:02:15 <minimal> thanks
2023-12-26 17:02:49 <minimal> am looking at gcc source code currently to try and understand what "pentium-m" really means
2023-12-26 17:03:39 <kwadroke[m]> my issue may be Nvida/nouveau or just low RAM (~800MB)
2023-12-26 17:04:57 <kwadroke[m]> besides an issue a while back with Lagrange I usually don't have "Illegal Instruction" issues on this machine
2023-12-26 17:05:29 <kwadroke[m]> unknown on the EEEPC as I haven't installed Alpine on it yet
2023-12-26 17:09:32 <kwadroke[m]> just to clarify I am not getting Illegal instruction on this machine. It runs and tries to display but the console reports renderer crashes
2023-12-26 17:10:54 <minimal> yeah there are various reasons for crashes, it is "Illegal instruction" ones that I wonder if they're to do with the recent change in "entry level" CPUs
2023-12-26 17:14:34 <zcrayfish> I'm unaware of any procs that implement SSE2 that don't implement CMOV; so there's really no reason to ever check for CMOV. FWIW. Checking for SSE2 is adequate.
2023-12-26 17:15:36 <zcrayfish> but I have not had my coffee yet, so I could be imagining things again :)
2023-12-26 18:04:43 <cristian_c> hello
2023-12-26 18:04:56 <cristian_c> after upgrading alpine to 3.19, I can't enter desktop anymore
2023-12-26 18:05:54 <cristian_c> if I run doas rc-service sddm start, I get a bunch of traps: sddm-greeter trap invalid opcode error:0 in libQt5Gui.so.5.15.10 in dmesg output
2023-12-26 18:06:08 <cristian_c> and tty appears and disappears
2023-12-26 18:06:17 <cristian_c> I've searched a lot for info but I've found nothing useful
2023-12-26 18:06:23 <cristian_c> any ideas?
2023-12-26 18:32:34 <lupo_on_oftc> minimal, kwadroke[m], thanks. I will try 3.18 and edge, to test if qutebrowser behaves differently there.
2023-12-26 18:35:41 <lupo_on_oftc> I did a FreeBSD install meanwhile. Initial size on eMMC: 1.3G :)
2023-12-26 18:35:50 <lupo_on_oftc> No way ...
2023-12-26 18:41:49 <zcrayfish> cristian_c: which arch are you running on?
2023-12-26 19:10:47 <bangersnmash> minimal: Sorry for the delayed response. Here is the output: https://sprunge.us/NXm9My
2023-12-26 19:46:59 <cristian_c> zcrayfish, x86
2023-12-26 19:47:07 <cristian_c> zcrayfish, any ideas?
2023-12-26 20:30:24 <zcrayfish> not yet
2023-12-26 20:52:10 <kwadroke[m]> cristian_c: it could be missing CPU instuctions or similar to the qutebrowser issues above
2023-12-26 20:52:49 <kwadroke[m]> both are using QT, so I wonder if QT is the cause of both issues
2023-12-26 20:54:24 <kwadroke[m]> also, when you upgraded did you add "-a" to the upgrade command?
2023-12-26 21:04:44 <zcrayfish> T5750 meets the minimum CPU requirements.
2023-12-26 21:11:33 <cristian_c> kwadroke[m], I followed alpine wiki
2023-12-26 21:11:43 <cristian_c> I can't find the wiki page anymore
2023-12-26 21:12:08 <cristian_c> kwadroke[m], ok, https://wiki.alpinelinux.org/wiki/Upgrading_Alpine
2023-12-26 21:12:33 <cristian_c> Next, to upgrade all installed packages: 
2023-12-26 21:12:42 <cristian_c> apk upgrade --available
2023-12-26 21:13:17 <cristian_c> kwadroke[m], so, I can't understand which mistake I've made
2023-12-26 21:13:21 <kwadroke[m]> ok
2023-12-26 21:14:40 <cristian_c> before upgrade I was able to enter desktop environment
2023-12-26 21:14:55 <cristian_c> through sddm
2023-12-26 21:16:33 <cristian_c> sddm was the only method that worked
2023-12-26 21:17:04 <cristian_c> so, now, I can't enter desktop anymore (I can't enter login screen too)
2023-12-26 21:18:56 <cristian_c> has anyone any ideas?
2023-12-26 21:19:22 <zcrayfish> I'm testing to see if I can duplicate your issue or come up with something similar; but my connection is awfully slow today :/
2023-12-26 21:19:47 <minimal> gcc's CORE2 definition (cristian_c) and Atom definition (bangersnmash & kwadroke[m]) seems to be similar
2023-12-26 21:19:53 <cristian_c> I don't know if it's the case
2023-12-26 21:20:14 <cristian_c> because I can't find info useful by a search
2023-12-26 21:21:33 <cristian_c> minimal, I'd like to try using startx or startlxqt but these methods have never worked in past
2023-12-26 21:21:56 <cristian_c> and they don't work after upgrading neither
2023-12-26 21:25:55 <zcrayfish> ahhh
2023-12-26 21:26:04 <zcrayfish> cristian_c: It's not you at all
2023-12-26 21:26:12 <zcrayfish> I can duplicate 100% on qemu i686.
2023-12-26 21:27:52 <zcrayfish> also getting "memfd_create() called without MFD_EXEC of MFD_NOEXEC_SEAL set" in the log just before the one you mentioned.
2023-12-26 21:31:41 <zcrayfish> https://gopher.zcrayfish.soy/irc/sddm_issue.png
2023-12-26 21:41:34 <zcrayfish> https://gopher.zcrayfish.soy/irc/sddm_issue2.png <-- and this is what I get when trying to use "exec startlxqt" in .xinitrc (and then running startx)
2023-12-26 21:42:05 <zcrayfish> so, at a glance, I'd assume the issue is with the libQt5Gui shared library.... hmmm
2023-12-26 23:00:12 <zcrayfish> cristian_c: I created an issue: https://gitlab.alpinelinux.org/alpine/aports/-/issues/15616
2023-12-26 23:01:35 <zcrayfish> If you need the system up sooner, consider x86_64... I couldn't replicate the issue there, sddm just seems to work for me.
2023-12-26 23:26:04 <minimal> the build log for qt5-qtbase shows "Checking for SSE3 instructions... yes", same for SSSE3, SSE4.1, and SSE4.2
2023-12-26 23:26:39 <minimal> (that's for the x86 build).....which may mean it won't run on CPUs without those instructions
2023-12-26 23:31:10 <zcrayfish> maybe. QEMU only emulates up to SSE2; and cristian_c's T5750 only goes up to SSSE3
2023-12-26 23:31:48 <minimal> still going through the build log - those are the features it detected in the build env, doesn't mean it actually used them though
2023-12-26 23:33:10 <zcrayfish> right.
2023-12-26 23:34:52 <zcrayfish> 
ACTION notes that on the x86_64 build of Alpine, sddm-greeter, lxqt-panel, lxqt-session & pcmanfm-qt all work fine without SSSE3 (and likewise SSE4.1+4.2)

2023-12-26 23:56:48 <minimal> build log look ok, QT does some runtime CPU detection AFAIK, could it be an issue with that?
2023-12-26 23:58:49 <kwadroke[m]> looking at the log, isn't it adding/building some sse2, sss3 and sse4 libraries
2023-12-26 23:59:32 <minimal> I did see it building SSE4 library and AVX, even on x86, but I assume that's where the run-time detection comes it whether to use that
2023-12-27 00:00:28 <kwadroke[m]> assuming that the file names (qdrawhelper_sse2.o, qdrawhelper_sse4.o, etc are those libries)
2023-12-27 00:00:35 <minimal> e.g obj/qdrawhelper_avx2.o and obj/drawhelper_sse4.o
2023-12-27 00:28:40 <kwadroke[m]> qt5-qtbase 5.15.9 in 3.18 doesn't check for SSE* instructions, 5.15.10 in 3.19 does
2023-12-27 00:29:56 <kwadroke[m]> per the build logs
2023-12-27 00:31:13 <raingloom> hi, i'm trying to boot an RPi3B+ from a uSD card but with an external root, set as root=/dev/sda2 rw rootwait, but i get thrown into a rescue shell.  the drive is definitely there, but seems to show up *just* after the initramfs shell opens, according to dmesg at least.
2023-12-27 00:31:57 <raingloom> if i mount it manually on /sysroot it does continue to boot, so there is nothing wrong with the partition either.
2023-12-27 00:34:14 <raingloom> also, neither rootdelay nor rootwait seems to have an effect?  rootdelay=120 definitely doesn't wait 2 minutes.
2023-12-27 00:34:52 <bangersnmash> minimal: So, if I understand you correctly, there is no SSE2 support, which my CPU requires, for 3.19/edge? I wasn't really sure what you meant by the above.
2023-12-27 00:37:08 <raingloom> (dmesg paste for the RPi thing: https://paste.sr.ht/~raingloom/1b8a0213063f538918b14dad7ea552c9e81f1125 )
2023-12-27 00:42:21 <minimal> bangersnmash: no, as of Alpine 3.19/Edge CPUs *must* support SSE2
2023-12-27 00:42:58 <minimal> so very old CPUs that don't support SSE2 may not/are unlikely to work reliably or at all
2023-12-27 00:51:01 <minimal> raingloom: what is your cmdline value?
2023-12-27 00:52:41 <zcrayfish> All CPUs involved here support SSE2.
2023-12-27 00:53:01 <raingloom> minimal: modules=loop,squashfs,sd-mod,usb-storage console=tty1 console=serial0,115200 ip=dhcp quiet root=/dev/sda2 rw rootwait
2023-12-27 00:53:34 <minimal> zcrayfish: yes, so it could be a QT-specific issue for example
2023-12-27 00:56:04 <minimal> raingloom: "rootwait" isn't a recognised param for the initramfs' init
2023-12-27 00:56:09 <minimal> there is usbdelay however
2023-12-27 00:58:41 <minimal> you also didn't specify "rootfstype=ext4" (I assume it is ext4)
2023-12-27 01:01:11 <raingloom> minimal: adding usbdelay=120 didn't fix it.  what would the authoritative docs be for this init?
2023-12-27 01:10:58 <minimal> hmm, seems "usbdelay" only applied to run-from-ram and not run-from-disk (Sys mode)
2023-12-27 01:11:08 <minimal> s/applied/applies/
2023-12-27 01:14:50 <raingloom> welp.  i had to hack 9front's init to boot from an USB HDD on this device, i can hack Alpine's init too i guess. :/
2023-12-27 01:18:47 <minimal> well it is just a shell script, so easy to experiment with
2023-12-27 01:19:42 <minimal> compare these 2 lines:
2023-12-27 01:19:43 <minimal> https://gitlab.alpinelinux.org/alpine/mkinitfs/-/blob/master/initramfs-init.in?ref_type=heads#L606
2023-12-27 01:19:48 <minimal> https://gitlab.alpinelinux.org/alpine/mkinitfs/-/blob/master/initramfs-init.in?ref_type=heads#L679
2023-12-27 01:20:05 <minimal> the 2nd uses usbdelay if specified
2023-12-27 02:10:14 <cristian_c> <zcrayfish> also getting "memfd_create() called without MFD_EXEC of MFD_NOEXEC_SEAL set" in the log just before the one you mentioned.
2023-12-27 02:10:33 <cristian_c> I also remember this message in my logs
2023-12-27 02:13:14 <cristian_c> <zcrayfish> If you need the system up sooner, consider x86_64... I couldn't replicate the issue there, sddm just seems to work for me. <- unfortunately, that machine has x86 arch
2023-12-27 02:53:30 <bangersnmash> minimal: I see. However, didn't that output show that my atom CPU does support SSE2? And if it doesn't, I suppose that means that 3.18 LTS is the last Alpine version I could run?
2023-12-27 02:59:05 <minimal> bangersnmash: yes your CPU does support SSE2, so that's not the problem
2023-12-27 02:59:56 <minimal> it could possibly be specific software trying to use other CPU instructions not supported by your CPU - it is unclear what the actual problem is
2023-12-27 04:50:15 <Someone[m]1> does linux have an option that read the root disk then copy content to ram and run from there?
2023-12-27 05:14:42 <quinq> Someone[m]1, you could look at how the installer does that
2023-12-27 13:02:27 <quinq> Hi
2023-12-27 13:02:58 <quinq> I'm looking for the package containing the files with PCI and USB vendors and devices IP <-> name mapping
2023-12-27 13:10:20 <ham5urg> In the event of a reboot/shutdown, how to give a daemon more time to exit before it get killed? 
2023-12-27 13:12:56 <openlinux21[m]> ...
2023-12-27 13:13:02 <openlinux21[m]> Can Help Me
2023-12-27 13:16:02 <quinq> god?
2023-12-27 13:28:18 <zcrayfish> cristian_c: https://ark.intel.com/content/www/us/en/ark/products/33915/intel-core-2-duo-processor-t5750-2m-cache-2-00-ghz-667-mhz-fsb.html <-- Your proc is /definitely/ x86_64, not i686.
2023-12-27 13:29:48 <zcrayfish> quinq: try: hwdata-usb hwdata-pci
2023-12-27 13:31:06 <zcrayfish> you may need pciutils as well, not sure if the stock lspci will read that file.
2023-12-27 13:31:31 <quinq> oh, actually I had hwdata installed, thanks
2023-12-27 13:31:37 <quinq> (though device name doesn't appear)
2023-12-27 13:32:37 <quinq> ok, lspci does lookup those files, but lsusb doesn't
2023-12-27 13:32:57 <zcrayfish> ham5urg: My best guess: uncomment and edit the kill_delay vaiable in /etc/conf.d/killprocs
2023-12-27 13:33:25 <zcrayfish> quinq: there's a usbutils too
2023-12-27 13:33:31 <zcrayfish> I just looked it up \o/
2023-12-27 13:33:34 <ham5urg> zcrayfish, thanks. I will try.
2023-12-27 13:34:08 <quinq> Ohhh -_-
2023-12-27 13:34:10 <quinq> /usr/bin/lsusb symlink target is owned by busybox-1.36.1-r18
2023-12-27 13:34:14 <quinq> Freaking busyboy
2023-12-27 13:34:34 <zcrayfish> np
2023-12-27 13:35:26 <quinq> Is there a way to remove busybox (just keeping the needed busybox-binsh and busybox-openrc, whatever is actually needed)?
2023-12-27 13:35:56 <quinq> Yeah, the actual lsusb does use the IDs now :)
2023-12-27 13:36:30 <zcrayfish> I don't think so. 
2023-12-27 13:36:32 <zcrayfish> cool
2023-12-27 13:40:49 <quinq> https://wiki.alpinelinux.org/wiki/How_to_get_regular_stuff_working xD
2023-12-27 13:44:02 <zcrayfish> 
ACTION considers renaming that page to "How to turn Alpine into GNU"

2023-12-27 13:44:03 <zcrayfish> ;)
2023-12-27 13:51:20 <vkrishn> or alpine with no snow
2023-12-27 13:59:26 <zcrayfish> haha!
2023-12-27 14:43:19 <cristian_c> zcrayfish, what's up with alpine issue report?
2023-12-27 14:44:04 <zcrayfish> Nothing has happened with it at the moment.
2023-12-27 14:44:28 <zcrayfish> gotta love putting an issue into the tracker in the middle of holiday season 
2023-12-27 14:44:31 <cristian_c> ah, ok, found: https://gitlab.alpinelinux.org/alpine/aports/-/issues/15616
2023-12-27 14:45:04 <zcrayfish> yeah, that's the one I put in yesterday after verifying that I can consistently duplicate your issue
2023-12-27 16:35:06 <lupo_on_oftc> I tried to register at gitlab.alpinelinux.org, but it seems that the email server I use deletes the incoming confirmation email even without moving it in the spam folder. Is there an other way to register, without the need of using an other email server, or registering at GitHub.com or GitLab.com, respectively?
2023-12-27 17:16:51 <quinq> lupo_on_oftc, better fixing the problem at the source, your email system
2023-12-27 17:22:00 <lupo_on_oftc> quinq, which sending email server have I to state to my email provider?
2023-12-27 17:26:04 <zcrayfish> The last email I received was delivered by gbr-app-1.alpinelinux.org [213.219.36.190]
2023-12-27 17:26:46 <zcrayfish> ymmv
2023-12-27 17:27:36 <zcrayfish> the sending server was a little more boring: gitlab.alpinelinux.org (gitlab.deu2-dev1.alpinelinux.org [IPv6:2a01:7e01:e001:15a:1::3])
2023-12-27 17:38:33 <quinq> alpinelinux.org descriptive text "v=spf1 ip4:147.75.101.119 ip4:213.219.36.190 ip6:2a01:7e00:e000:2fc::20"
2023-12-27 17:39:09 <quinq> If emails are sent from 2a01:7e01:e001:15a:1::3, then that's an alpine-side configuration issue
2023-12-27 17:39:45 <quinq> (^-- to whomever is responsible)
2023-12-27 17:40:58 <lupo_on_oftc> quinq, response from my email provider: "If emails from a particular server are classified as spam, it can be due to various reasons, such as a poor reputation of the server or a high number of spam complaints. The server administrator should take the necessary steps to improve the reputation of the server and ensure that spam emails are not sent from that server."
2023-12-27 17:42:10 <lupo_on_oftc> I think that's a dead end ...
2023-12-27 17:42:16 <quinq> lupo_on_oftc, ask them how to do it
2023-12-27 17:42:46 <quinq> And if they don't want to help you, switch to a better one :)
2023-12-27 17:44:06 <zcrayfish> startmail is happy with it
2023-12-27 17:44:08 <zcrayfish> Received-SPF: Pass (mailfrom) identity=mailfrom; client-ip=213.219.36.190; helo=gbr-app-1.alpinelinux.org; envelope-from=gitlab@alpinelinux.org; receiver=<UNKNOWN> 
2023-12-27 17:44:09 <lupo_on_oftc> quinq, that email provider, one of the biggest ist Germany, does only offer a chat bot to talk with :\
2023-12-27 17:45:20 <lupo_on_oftc> Unfriendly Germans, as always :\
2023-12-27 17:46:51 <fluix> quinq: SPF is checked on the Return-Path header, not From
2023-12-27 17:47:44 <fluix> and my own server also says spf is fine
2023-12-27 17:48:09 <fluix> lupo_on_oftc: maybe there's a whitelist you can add to on your end?
2023-12-27 17:48:14 <lupo_on_oftc> Due to the ongoing registration process, the user name I chose seems to be locked by gitlab.alpinelinux.org, not available for a registration with an other email address. Is there a way to get it free?
2023-12-27 17:51:32 <lupo_on_oftc> fluix, I checked that already ... "This feature incurs additional costs."
2023-12-27 17:53:36 <fluix> -_-
2023-12-27 17:54:15 <fluix> I'm not sure who's responsible for gitlab; ikke, ncopa perhaps ^ 
2023-12-27 17:57:50 <vkrishn> fluix: its ikke, else clandmeter 
2023-12-27 17:58:11 <fluix> thx
2023-12-27 17:58:44 <vkrishn> check infra irc logs now and then
2023-12-27 18:04:31 <quinq> fluix, they match of the mail from
2023-12-27 18:04:52 <quinq> Maybe your own server wasn't contacted through inet6
2023-12-27 18:05:51 <quinq> And in any case, that IPv6 isn't in the domain (alpinelinux.org) SPF record
2023-12-27 18:14:42 <minimal> Someone[m]1: Alpine's run-from-ram mode (setup-bootable) creates a rootfs in RAM and runs that, isn't that what you want?
2023-12-27 18:47:21 <fluix> quinq: well yes, they match the envelope from which generally gets written to Return-Path, but what I mean is that the From and Return-Path can have different domains and SPF can pass on the latter but not the former (see https://postmarkapp.com/guides/spf for instance)
2023-12-27 18:47:36 <fluix> the difference doesn't matter in this case, they're both alpinelinux.org
2023-12-27 18:49:01 <fluix> as for SPF records, there's nothing wrong here it's just zcrayfish mentioned a server higher up in the chain. see here, for example: https://paste.sr.ht/~fluix/a6cc5cc7b8ee03da0982ab585d55b71b5b5104a3
2023-12-27 18:49:41 <fluix> the actual server ultimately sending it is gbr-app-1.alpinelinux.org which has the ipv6 address in the SPF record
2023-12-27 18:49:54 <fluix> and the ::3 address comes from gitlab which sends it through that server
2023-12-27 19:37:36 <zcrayfish> yeah I must have missed a line in the headers. for the win
2023-12-27 19:38:39 <quinq> fluix, so yes the from matters, the return-path only in case of failure, in order not to spam somebody else. Not sure which actual case “the difference doesn't matter in this case” this is about as nobody posted headers
2023-12-27 19:39:08 <quinq> And if zcrayfish mentioned not the originating server, then that's fine, but that wasn't specified either, we can only analyze what's given :)
2023-12-27 19:40:51 <fluix> you can have `From: a@foo.com` and `Return-Path: b@bar.net` and if the sending server is allowed by SPF of `bar.net` you pass SPF
2023-12-27 19:41:07 <fluix> *those headers being the ones you see your own client
2023-12-27 19:41:21 <quinq> That would be contrary to the RFC
2023-12-27 19:41:35 <fluix> read the links I posted, it's not
2023-12-27 19:41:36 <quinq> Which implementation does that?
2023-12-27 19:41:52 <fluix> or say, from wikipedia
2023-12-27 19:41:53 <fluix> > This authentication only applies to the email sender listed in the "envelope from" field during the initial SMTP connection.
2023-12-27 19:42:01 <fluix> > To authenticate the email address which is actually visible to recipients on the "From:" line, other technologies such as DMARC must be used.
2023-12-27 19:42:53 <quinq> Maybe the problem is in the vocabulary :)
2023-12-27 19:42:54 <fluix> SPF authenticates the actual server (it's ip address) that's sending the email ("envelope from"), *not* the value of the From header
2023-12-27 19:42:59 <quinq> The “mail from”
2023-12-27 19:43:08 <quinq> Yes
2023-12-27 19:43:18 <fluix> yeah it's confusing haha
2023-12-27 19:43:21 <quinq> Not return-path, nor from, but the mail from :)
2023-12-27 19:43:29 <quinq> anyway
2023-12-27 19:43:36 <quinq> I warned about a wrong server
2023-12-27 19:43:43 <quinq> So everything's fine apparently
2023-12-27 19:43:48 <fluix> yeah I mentioned that it gets written to Return-Path
2023-12-27 19:43:49 <fluix> anyways, email is messy :)
2023-12-27 19:43:53 <fluix> indeed it is, np
2023-12-27 21:12:56 <txnintn> I can connect to my nas with windows 10, and able to access the disk and format it.  With Alpine I can connect to target but can's see disk created by windows.  What am I missing?
2023-12-27 21:14:17 <txnintn> no chap, no password or username.
2023-12-27 22:00:39 <Saijin_Naib[m]> Userspace tools for ntfs and gpt?
2023-12-27 22:04:45 <idkrn[m]> Go check the Arch wiki
2023-12-27 23:11:45 <bananicorn> I think the lxc-download package is missing xz as a dependency, it always tells me xz is missing if I don't install it manually
2023-12-27 23:21:26 <minimal> bananicorn: xz was removed as a dep for lxc-download in Nov 2019 as busybox provided a "xz" command...however "xz" was then disabled in Busybox in Nov 2020
2023-12-27 23:21:47 <minimal> I guess no-one realised that xz then needed to be re-added as a lxc-download dep
2023-12-27 23:22:24 <minimal> https://git.alpinelinux.org/aports/commit/main/lxc/APKBUILD?id=dcf1295dd9b83777c221e725bf095f49a00b27be
2023-12-27 23:22:30 <minimal> https://git.alpinelinux.org/aports/commit/main/busybox/busyboxconfig?id=7767013f47e21ddefbcff604572e2eb3105746b4
2023-12-28 02:05:29 <ahmadraniri[m]> For Wayland users and not using display manager, Could you run latest version of bleachbit ? I can't run it due to missing session, using display manager seems fix it but I want to ditch display manager.
2023-12-28 02:34:36 <tzeentch[m]> <ahmadraniri[m]> "For Wayland users and not..." <- run wayland compostior directly under linux virtual console
2023-12-28 05:51:44 <ahmadraniri[m]> <tzeentch[m]> "run wayland compostior directly..." <- > <@i5yxt1550rd9gbko8o55:matrix.org> > <@ahmadranirilidg:matrix.org> For Wayland users and not using display manager, Could you run latest version of bleachbit ? I can't run it due to missing session, using display manager seems fix it but I want to ditch display manager.... (full message at <https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/v3/download/matrix.org/WsUNcszAaHeGqvMrTIVLuiBK>)
2023-12-28 08:39:13 <bananicorn> minimal: Thanks for looking into it, I suppose it's best to add unxz as a dependency then?
2023-12-28 16:03:54 <minimal> bananicorn: that would be a dep on the xz package...
2023-12-28 16:10:46 <bananicorn> minimal: Isn't that better than adding xz back to busybox?
2023-12-28 16:16:55 <minimal> bananicorn:~ I was correctly when you said add "unxz" as a dep as there is no "unxz" package, only a "xz" package which contains the unxz binary
2023-12-28 16:17:07 <minimal> s/correctly/correcting/
2023-12-28 16:19:30 <bananicorn> I see, I misunderstood one of the commit messages you linked and didn't check whether the unxz package actually exists :)
2023-12-29 12:00:26 <Anime1> hi
2023-12-29 12:00:35 <Anime1> Alpine VS Debian
2023-12-29 12:00:52 <Anime1> here is offical alpine IRC?
2023-12-29 12:07:39 <Ermine> Yes
2023-12-29 12:10:25 <Anime1> ...
2023-12-29 12:51:38 <Anime1> hi
2023-12-29 12:51:45 <Anime1> i have a questions
2023-12-29 12:52:16 <Anime1> alpine system have scure boot?
2023-12-29 12:53:24 <Ermine> yes if you configure your system accordingly
2023-12-29 12:53:58 <Ermine> there's an article in the wiki on this topic iirc
2023-12-29 12:55:22 <Anime1> thanks....
2023-12-29 12:55:27 <Anime1> i have a very very big questions
2023-12-29 12:55:35 <Anime1> why use alpine not arch?
2023-12-29 12:57:18 <Ermine> why are you asking us? Choosing the right distro for the task at hand is your homework
2023-12-29 12:58:59 <Anime1> .... i am wrong
2023-12-29 12:58:59 <Anime1> sorry
2023-12-29 14:09:49 <Babba> does anyone know a tool to figure out why a machine are dropping packets? i'm trying to make a machine route between a bunch of subnets, mostly to understand what i'm doing :D
2023-12-29 14:15:09 <Ermine> you can check your routing with traceroute
2023-12-29 14:21:24 <chip1972[m]> I need help with podman .... (full message at <https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/v3/download/matrix.org/SbQWcrsuKCguCKfoCRFzAlqG>)
2023-12-29 14:30:50 <durrendal> Babba: mtr might be helpful, it's a repetitive traceroute, pretty helpful for debugging. 
2023-12-29 14:44:33 <zcrayfish> Babba: while everyone else gave you great suggestions on finding out latency and the drop rate/which machines/hops it's getting dropped on... It didn't address your question of WHY at all.
2023-12-29 14:45:18 <zcrayfish> You could install net-tools and check `netstat -s' to see a few reasons why packets are being dropped on an individual machine
2023-12-29 14:47:10 <zcrayfish> ifconfig actually shows a few reasons too... such as collisions on half-duplex connections.
2023-12-29 14:47:39 <zcrayfish> you could also do a packet dump and see if you're running across a lot of invalid checksums (note: watch out for hardware checksum offloading though!)
2023-12-29 14:48:03 <zcrayfish> depends on the layer and/or protocol involved in which the data is being lost.
2023-12-29 15:14:43 <chip1972[m]> how install packages in a alpine rootless inside a distrobox in alpine host?
2023-12-29 19:52:12 <minimal> orchardstreet22: I raised an MR to upgrade Grub to 2.12 a few days ago (Grub devs snuck out the release shortly before Xmas), it's waiting to be merged
2023-12-29 19:52:45 <minimal> https://gitlab.alpinelinux.org/alpine/aports/-/merge_requests/57927
2023-12-29 20:06:15 <frag> if you put mpv in the background, something like 'mpv ...&', is there any way to send commands/keypresses to it without specially setting it up with socket?
2023-12-29 20:14:15 <grawity> does mpv-mpris count?
2023-12-29 20:14:36 <grawity> otherwise the only generic way to control an '&'d process is to...'fg' it
2023-12-29 20:14:55 <Habbie> or, have connected something else to stdin/stdout before startup
2023-12-29 20:18:15 <frag> habbie hows that done?
2023-12-29 20:19:06 <Habbie> usually from a programming language, although you could also use mkfifo and redirection
2023-12-29 20:19:10 <Habbie> but a socket would be easier
2023-12-29 20:23:19 <frag> thanks, will look into it
2023-12-29 20:29:19 <grawity> coproc FOO { mpv }
2023-12-29 20:29:25 <grawity> echo x > ${FOO[1]}
2023-12-29 20:29:27 <grawity> or was it [0]
2023-12-29 20:29:39 <grawity> oh wait, this is 'no bash' land
2023-12-29 20:29:56 <grawity> mpv-mpris + dbus/playerctl then?
2023-12-29 20:30:50 <Habbie> oh i didn't even realise this was not #mpv :D
2023-12-29 20:44:53 <Babba> thanks for good sugestions :)
2023-12-29 20:45:13 <Babba> that mtr tool was a nice tool
2023-12-29 20:46:41 <Babba> havent figured out why the pacets drop yet, feels as if the computer just thing "oh this packet is at the wrong plce, let's loose it"
2023-12-29 21:22:13 <Babba> after some investigation: Computer A can talk with B and B can talk with C, C and A cant talk with each other, but there are an arp request like "who has A tell C" on the B machine, seems like for each ping sent from C generate and arp request
2023-12-29 21:25:16 <Babba> did i think it was too easy to make them all to route packets? i wrote net.ipv4.ip_forward=1 in sysctl.conf and gave static adresses to each nic (2 or 3 on each machine) and told them where to send traffic depending on destination adress
2023-12-29 21:25:30 <Babba> is that the right principle?
2023-12-29 21:25:43 <Habbie> you don't need ip_forward for a few machines in a LAN to just talk to eachother
2023-12-29 21:25:46 <Habbie> but i did not read the history
2023-12-29 21:26:50 <Babba> no but i like playing with networking, i have made it work on ubuntu and centos, now i want to know how to do it on Alpine :D
2023-12-29 21:27:54 <Habbie> good :)
2023-12-29 21:27:57 <Habbie> playing is good
2023-12-29 21:28:02 <Habbie> messing it up makes it even better
2023-12-29 21:28:23 <Babba> i'm not superskilled but i pick up things :)
2023-12-29 21:28:55 <Babba> haha yes for sure, one get some skills at fixing stuff that way even tho it is frustrating :D
2023-12-29 21:33:42 <Babba> at=from
2023-12-29 21:34:10 <Habbie> both words work in that sentence :)
2023-12-29 21:52:28 <mzperx> list
2023-12-29 21:53:27 <Habbie> list what?
2023-12-29 21:55:09 <mzperx> Sorry, I wanted to ask if there is a more complete description of kernel compilation than this one: https://wiki.alpinelinux.org/wiki/Custom_Kernel
2023-12-29 21:57:17 <minimal> more complete in what sense?
2023-12-29 22:00:06 <mzperx> As an example the "Creating your config" refers to a folder named "linux-4.15", which I guess is rather outdated. But also it does not tell where this folder should be?
2023-12-29 22:02:07 <minimal> try searching that doc for "linux-VER"
2023-12-29 22:03:01 <zcrayfish> that article needs help...
2023-12-29 22:09:29 <mzperx> thx, this helps, looks like first you need to start compilation then a ./src/linux-VER folder is created
2023-12-29 23:56:11 <Babba> @Habbie, it only proves that my maternal language aint english :D
2023-12-29 23:56:48 <Babba> trying to improve whenever an opportunity arrive
2023-12-29 23:58:37 <Habbie> :)
2023-12-30 00:05:29 <Babba> sadly i missed messages for a few hours, computer rebooted
2023-12-30 00:06:18 <Justin[m]> Babba try Matrix. It at least keeps history.
2023-12-30 00:15:43 <Habbie> Babba, if you saw me going ":)" to "whenever an opportunity arrive", you missed nothing
2023-12-30 00:17:55 <Babba> Matrix, is that an irc client?
2023-12-30 00:18:55 <Babba> Habbie the last that i saw was your message "list what?" about 2 h 22 minutes ago
2023-12-30 00:19:36 <Babba> hmm, this one has a log, can one access that log?
2023-12-30 00:19:42 <Habbie> ok, there were no messages for you since then
2023-12-30 00:19:52 <Babba> *this channel has a log
2023-12-30 00:20:01 <Babba> okay then :)
2023-12-30 00:20:22 <Habbie> the topic mentions a url for logs
2023-12-30 00:21:18 <Babba> oooh one can scroll the topic   :D
2023-12-30 00:21:23 <Babba> thanks :)
2023-12-30 02:02:20 <zcrayfish> oh boy, looks like we got a spammer on the wiki
2023-12-30 02:35:23 <Babba> ifconfig counts packets while i ping a machine, but only the recieved ones, there are no reply and tcpdump shows a ton of arp requests about the involved IPs, any idea why this happens?
2023-12-30 02:46:02 <Babba> i would have expected it to route it to another machine
2023-12-30 03:41:23 <Babba> just managed to figure out that the pings aint getting trough, must be the arp requests that are being counted, any pointers would be very helpful, i'm deeper into packethandling than i normally are
2023-12-30 05:23:24 <zcrayfish> cristian_c: by chance, you're running in bare metal and *NOT* inside a VM on the core 2 duo machine, right?
2023-12-30 07:41:27 <witcher> I've been assuming it's generally desirable for packages to install misc files like a readme and changelog into /usr/share/doc/$pkgname. is this assumption correct?
2023-12-30 07:49:41 <andym48[m]> Probably should be, but could be installed anywhere
2023-12-30 11:57:03 <dok_> Hi, does anyone here tried using renderdoc ? it doesn't work properly and i've spent a day trying to understand why.
2023-12-30 12:11:23 <holgersson> no
2023-12-30 12:11:57 <holgersson> SCNR - what does not work properly there?
2023-12-30 12:46:23 <AMai> Hi
2023-12-30 12:46:29 <AMai> alpine is pinephone?
2023-12-30 12:46:52 <AMai> if i buy Pinephone 
2023-12-30 12:47:00 <AMai> can get alpine offical support?
2023-12-30 12:48:10 <ikke> Alpine Linux is not affiliated with Pinephone
2023-12-30 12:48:37 <AMai> but why name is "pine"?
2023-12-30 12:48:50 <ikke> Ask them
2023-12-30 12:49:00 <AMai> can i install alpine arm64 version?
2023-12-30 12:49:12 <AMai> i want install my macbook 
2023-12-30 12:52:53 <AMai> ... why more spam meassge pm me
2023-12-30 13:39:37 <CIaicci> hi
2023-12-30 13:39:43 <CIaicci> i want install alpine 
2023-12-30 13:40:29 <CIaicci> but my computer only 1GB RAM
2023-12-30 13:40:43 <CIaicci> is old computer can i how find lite version alpine?
2023-12-30 13:42:33 <lopid> alpine is already light, 1G is enough for the distro alone, but it depends what you're going to do with it
2023-12-30 13:43:27 <aron> alpine works fine on my VMs with 192M RAM
2023-12-30 13:43:40 <aron> 1G is way more than needed
2023-12-30 13:45:54 <CIaicci> oh thanks you!!!!!
2023-12-30 13:57:50 <CIaicci> hi
2023-12-30 13:58:00 <CIaicci> i can find alpine matrix room?
2023-12-30 14:00:40 <w00tang> for some reason the setup-alpine script of the recent version for the rpi identifies my sdcard as sdx and it doesn't recognize existing partitions either (this used to work iirc)
2023-12-30 14:02:16 <w00tang> the installation procedure works when i select the drive, but it doesn't install it as expected in "sys" mode, is that intentional?
2023-12-30 14:04:06 <w00tang> the setup boots but just from the 2gb fat partition, disregarding the rest of the 30gb that should be available as separate partition via mmcblk0p2
2023-12-30 14:04:26 <w00tang> any ideas?
2023-12-30 14:18:19 <w00tang> the img aarch64 doesn't seem to have this problem. only if i unpack the tar file and copypaste the contents to a fat32 lba boot partition i encounter this issue
2023-12-30 17:39:33 <vkrishn> still a wip, but very much usable, https://wiki.insteps.net/AlpineLinux/Create-what-is-only-needed-repo , talk part todo
2023-12-30 17:48:21 <minimal> w00tang: how exactly did you try and install in sys mode?
2023-12-30 18:07:11 <w00tang> @minimal: created a 2gb partion fat32 lba bootable, pasted the aarch64 content on it, booted, ran setup-alpine and when prompted for the selection of available disks i only saw sda, sdb and sdc. no other storage than the sdcard connected
2023-12-30 18:08:52 <w00tang> ran with the drive that showed the correct amount of space, finished installation, and rebooted to find the system hasn't been configured/installed
2023-12-30 18:09:54 <minimal> "pasted the aarch64 content on it"? what does that mean?
2023-12-30 18:10:30 <w00tang> extracted https://dl-cdn.alpinelinux.org/alpine/v3.19/releases/aarch64/alpine-rpi-3.19.0-aarch64.tar.gz and moved the content on to the bootable partition
2023-12-30 18:11:48 <minimal> which type of RPI?
2023-12-30 18:11:52 <w00tang> 4b
2023-12-30 18:12:46 <w00tang> i dd'd the img file onto the sdcard, booted from that and had no issues with the installation. technically my problem is solved but i'm still curious where this behavior comes from
2023-12-30 18:13:02 <w00tang> because I'd expected it to be the same
2023-12-30 18:13:19 <minimal> and you wrote the downloaded contents to a SDcard, not to a USB stick/device?
2023-12-30 18:13:27 <w00tang> ya
2023-12-30 18:13:47 <minimal> using a laptop with a SDcard reader?
2023-12-30 18:14:00 <Mia_> hI
2023-12-30 18:14:18 <w00tang> sdcard reader
2023-12-30 18:14:22 <Mia_> Alpine can use AUR yay?
2023-12-30 18:14:45 <minimal> w00tang: native SDcard interface on a PC or a USB SDcard adaptor?
2023-12-30 18:14:46 <raven523> Mia_: no. Those only work on Arch
2023-12-30 18:15:13 <w00tang> minimal: external usb 3.0
2023-12-30 18:16:14 <minimal> w00tang: so when you wrote to the SDcard you used a /dev/sd[a-z] device name rather than /dev/mmcblk0 device?
2023-12-30 18:16:35 <w00tang> indeed i did
2023-12-30 18:17:32 <minimal> issue might be related to that somehow, AFAIK I've only ever used a "native" SDcard interface to write a RPI image to
2023-12-30 18:17:50 <w00tang> that used to not be a problem though. i remember having installed older versions of alpine in the same way
2023-12-30 18:18:40 <w00tang> weird behavior though, i would have never suspected the sdcard reader to be at fault 
2023-12-30 18:18:52 <minimal> no idea, but your description of the booted RPI only seeing /dev/sd*devices and no /dev/mmcblk* device makes no sense
2023-12-30 18:21:13 <minimal> when you boot the SDcard (in order to run the installer) does "dmesg" show any messages related to "mmc" or "sdhci"?
2023-12-30 18:24:49 <w00tang> it does find the first partition of the mmc, i can also find the device and all partitions under /dev, though when i tried looking for it via fdisk i don't see it a second one and when trying to delete and create a new partition it would not allow me because of a lock of some sort iirc
2023-12-30 18:29:15 <minimal> you earlier said: "created a 2gb partion fat32 lba bootable", you didn't mention creating a 2nd partition...
2023-12-30 18:29:56 <minimal> how exactly did you create that partition? did you create it the full size of the SDcard or leave some free space after it?
2023-12-30 18:30:35 <minimal> "it does find the first partition of the mmc" - as /dev/mmcblk0p1 ?
2023-12-30 18:47:33 <minimal> w00tang: ?
2023-12-30 19:36:55 <Mia_> hi
2023-12-30 19:36:59 <Mia_>  i have questions
2023-12-30 19:38:03 <Mia_> alpine how install APPArrmor
2023-12-30 21:16:38 <Kladky> CIaicci: Here https://matrix.to/#/#_oftc_#alpine-linux:matrix.org
2023-12-30 22:11:01 <w00tang> minimal: i tried it just with the bootable fat partition of 2gb and left the rest as is and i tried it with a second partition with ext4
2023-12-30 22:46:45 <minimal> w00tang: you didn't answer as whether it found that 1st partition as /dev/mmcblk0p1
2023-12-30 22:47:59 <minimal> you didn't umount *everything* mounted from the SDcard *before* trying to run setup-disk, right?
2023-12-30 22:48:10 <minimal> s/didn't/did/
2023-12-31 01:03:31 <Babba> tried installing latest Alpine, 3.19.0 , are there some problem accessing the repositories? same machine i have problems in can ping 8.8.8.8
2023-12-31 01:05:05 <tdr> Babba, can you resolve / ping a hostname vs only using an IP?
2023-12-31 01:57:25 <Babba> tdr, yes it resolves just fine
2023-12-31 02:08:26 <iggy> Babba: what's the error?
2023-12-31 02:12:15 <Babba> that during install of 3.19.0 i can't access the repositories, i get "no mirror" or something like that
2023-12-31 02:12:20 <Babba> let me see
2023-12-31 02:26:55 <vkrishn> Babba: just switch mirror and see if problem persists, https://dl-cdn.alpinelinux.org/alpine/MIRRORS.txt
2023-12-31 04:19:34 <Babba> i managed to create even more problems :D   i'll take a new look at it tomorrow, good night
2023-12-31 12:05:26 <sensesense> Hi
2023-12-31 12:06:00 <sensesense> Alpine is Very Super Lite 192RAM 100% OpenScoure Archlinux Distro?
2023-12-31 12:26:54 <donoban> sensesense: Archlinux Distro? It doesn't have relation with archlinux
2023-12-31 12:27:42 <sensesense> so ALpine is not archlinux?
2023-12-31 12:28:07 <Ermine> Alpine is Alpine, not Arch
2023-12-31 12:28:21 <sensesense> oh
2023-12-31 12:28:35 <sensesense> Alpine can change Xen kernel?
2023-12-31 12:28:52 <sensesense> i want hardened kernel
2023-12-31 13:17:24 <OdaNobunaga[m]> Alpine is a small distribution which uses libmusl, busybox and OpenRC. Package manager ist Alpine Linux Package Keeper (apk).
2023-12-31 13:29:20 <OdaNobunaga[m]> Alpine is very popular with Docker containers due to its small size, but it also works as desktop. postmarketOS, which is based on Alpine, runs on mobile gadgets.
2023-12-31 14:08:53 <Ermine> > libmusl
2023-12-31 14:09:08 <Ermine> It's just musl
2023-12-31 21:52:39 <Forza> Hi. I have a vm with alpine, which gor some reason is using hybrid cgroups, even though i specify unified. 
2023-12-31 21:53:36 <Forza> Cant understand why it does that. 
2023-12-31 21:55:04 <Forza> https://bpa.st/L3KA is how its mounted
2023-12-31 21:55:29 <Forza> Could it be elogind that does something to prevent unified cgroups? 
2023-12-31 22:07:38 <zcrayfish> Forza: did you check /etc/rc.conf ?
2023-12-31 22:07:45 <zcrayfish> look for rc_cgroup_mode
2023-12-31 22:07:49 <zcrayfish> I think the default changed recently
2023-12-31 22:21:01 <Forza> Yea. It was set
2023-12-31 22:21:29 <Forza> Seems the issue was a stale initramfs
2023-12-31 22:54:45 <zcrayfish> ah
2023-12-31 23:04:26 <NepNep[m]> is there anything blocking updating writefreely? it has been marked as outdated for a week, and was already outdated for a bit over a year
2023-12-31 23:06:31 <ikke> Seems like the maintainer is no longer active 
2023-12-31 23:06:56 <NepNep[m]> ahh
2023-12-31 23:13:20 <fluix> you can send an MR for them :p
2023-12-31 23:38:51 <Tglmanprofile> i thought that alpine linux uses busybox so why is there a vmlinux-lts file in /boot? isnt busybox kernel all contained in the initramfs?
2023-12-31 23:40:48 <minimal> Forza: stale initramfs? openrc is not part of the (mkinitfs) initramfs so I don't follow how the initramfs would be a factor in this
2023-12-31 23:41:46 <minimal> Tglmanprofile: there is no such thing as a "busybox kernel"
2023-12-31 23:42:45 <minimal> busybox provides user-space utilities