2021-09-01 01:03:22 <bornagainpengui> Are there better tutorials than the ones on the wiki?
2021-09-01 01:15:26 <bornagainpengui> I'm trying to follow the ones on the wiki and keep running into issues of things having been renamed but the wiki not updated to reflect this.
2021-09-01 01:16:07 <bornagainpengui> For instance we're instructed to install man but man is now named mandoc.  Another seems to be the fonts having been renamed.
2021-09-01 01:16:32 <bornagainpengui> So I'm looking for tutorials which might be more up to date.  Can anyone help me?
2021-09-01 01:17:27 <veiviser> the wiki is still the most up to date one
2021-09-01 01:17:34 <veiviser> just needs people to make those small changes
2021-09-01 01:17:50 <veiviser> i don't think there is a wiki team specifically for docs, but i could be wrong
2021-09-01 01:18:17 <veiviser> there are sometimes some non-wiki resources with more up to date info, but they're usually very specific and more rare
2021-09-01 01:18:52 <bornagainpengui> Well I mean I could change the mandoc command reference fairly easy, that was a simple google search and I found it right away.  The problem is that I'm new to Alpine Linux and I don't know what I don' know..
2021-09-01 01:19:24 <veiviser> that would be a valid change
2021-09-01 01:20:02 <bornagainpengui> I could probably stumble my way through the fonts commend and figure out the right names of packages but I don't know if I'd keep running into things like this.
2021-09-01 01:22:00 <veiviser> it's likely to randomly run into them
2021-09-01 01:22:06 <veiviser> if you aren't sure feel free to ask
2021-09-01 01:22:38 <bornagainpengui> OK, I suppose that's probably he best way to learn.
2021-09-01 01:22:52 <bornagainpengui> I'll be taking you up on that offer.  :)
2021-09-01 01:23:38 <veiviser> :)
2021-09-01 10:28:00 <Jaafar[m]> I finally got Alpine to boot on my old laptop, problem is that it uses Broadcom, and I don't have the drivers.
2021-09-01 10:29:29 <Jaafar[m]> Can I use USB tethering from my phone to get the drivers?
2021-09-01 10:30:59 <ikke> good question
2021-09-01 10:32:38 <ikke> Might work if you modprobe usbnet
2021-09-01 10:34:14 <Jaafar[m]> It doesn't seem to have changed anything, I still can't use USB tethering.
2021-09-01 10:34:43 <ikke> Did you enable tethering on your phone?
2021-09-01 10:34:52 <Jaafar[m]> Yes, sir.
2021-09-01 10:35:11 <ikke> What broadcom driver do you need?
2021-09-01 10:36:00 <Jaafar[m]> I forgot which one it was. How do I check?
2021-09-01 10:36:15 <Jaafar[m]> `dmesg` doesn't output my Broadcom driver's name.
2021-09-01 10:36:44 <ikke> lspci -vv or lsusb I guess
2021-09-01 10:37:44 <Jaafar[m]> I'm using the ISO, and it does not come with lspci, but there is lsusb.
2021-09-01 10:38:05 <Jaafar[m]> Though I don't get any driver names from `lsusb`.
2021-09-01 10:38:43 <ikke> Does it show what NIC it is?
2021-09-01 10:38:59 <Jaafar[m]> Just `Bus 00X Device 00X: ID xxxx:xxxx`
2021-09-01 10:39:15 <ikke> the id can be usefull
2021-09-01 10:41:12 <Jaafar[m]> I know.
2021-09-01 10:41:25 <Jaafar[m]> But how would I know which one's one if I don't have any names?
2021-09-01 10:42:22 <Jaafar[m]> s/which one's one/which one's which/
2021-09-01 10:44:06 <Jaafar[m]> I'll try getting this info from the distro I currently have installed.
2021-09-01 10:45:06 <ikke> Maybe try the extended iso, it has more on the iso to help with this (pciutils, usbutils, hwids, etc)
2021-09-01 10:45:30 <Jaafar[m]> I'll try the extended ISO.
2021-09-01 10:47:08 <Jaafar[m]> `Network Controller: Broadcom Inc. and subsidiaries BCM4322 802.11a/b/g/n Wireless LAN Controller`
2021-09-01 13:37:29 <segfault0> ikke: you might like this, after a bit more searching i found that rust 1.47 was more happy to cross-compile, sure enough with a bit of effort it seems to have worked from an x86 host, haven't verified that it works yet but readelf said the binaries were ppc :)
2021-09-01 13:38:14 <segfault0> i have to compile llvm10 before i can actually test it though lol
2021-09-01 13:47:55 <Misthios> Jaafar yes u can use usb tethering with phone
2021-09-01 13:48:02 <Misthios> thats how i fixed my wifi on laptop
2021-09-01 14:36:09 <Jaafar[m]> Misthios: How did you get it to work? Keep in mind I'm using a live ISO to install Alpine, I don't currently have it installed as of now.
2021-09-01 14:54:10 <Misthios> Iplink set usb0 up, wpa_supplicant -i usb0 -B -c config , udhcpcd -i usb0
2021-09-01 14:54:48 <Misthios> And plug in usb while booting and turn on thether (and maybe restart the networking service cant remember)
2021-09-01 14:56:16 <Jaafar[m]> i see
2021-09-01 14:56:34 <Jaafar[m]> Misthios: ic
2021-09-01 14:57:02 <Misthios> Worked?
2021-09-01 14:58:20 <Jaafar[m]> I'll try it, then I'll tell you.
2021-09-01 15:06:46 <Misthios> Okay
2021-09-01 15:06:50 <Misthios> Hl
2021-09-01 15:06:54 <Misthios> Gl*
2021-09-01 15:11:35 <Misthios> W8 ignore the wpa-supplicant part as its not wifi,my bad
2021-09-01 15:26:37 <Jaafar[m]> Misthios: What do you mean? `wpa_supplicant` is a backend to connect to Wi-Fi that you can use standalone or with a network manager. Your idea was good.
2021-09-01 15:27:04 <Jaafar[m]> Unless the extended ISO does not come with it?
2021-09-01 15:33:58 <Misthios> No but usb tethering counts as wired
2021-09-01 15:34:17 <Misthios> So wpa supplicant can be skipped
2021-09-01 16:10:07 <Jaafar[m]> Oooh, yeah, I forgot.
2021-09-01 16:12:45 <Jaafar[m]> Misthios: Thanks for the help! Turns out the extended ISO didn't make a difference and I just needed to `rc-service networking restart`.
2021-09-01 16:21:45 <eris[m]1> hey, how do i get the touchpad working on alpine?
2021-09-01 16:23:23 <eris[m]1> i have xinput libinput
2021-09-01 16:23:32 <eris[m]1> do i need synaptics?
2021-09-01 16:27:08 <veiviser> depends on your touchpad
2021-09-01 16:27:18 <veiviser> libinput works for me, maybe yours needs synaptics for some reason
2021-09-01 16:28:47 <ikke> make sure you are member of the input group if you do not use a policy manager
2021-09-01 16:30:45 <eris[m]1> ah!
2021-09-01 16:30:49 <eris[m]1> i forgot about input
2021-09-01 16:31:23 <EF> Possibly a stupid question but what is root's default shell supposed to be in 3.14.2?
2021-09-01 16:31:30 <eris[m]1> ash?
2021-09-01 16:32:35 <ikke> yes, busybox ash is the default shell in alpine
2021-09-01 16:32:35 <EF> For some reason mine has suddenly changed to /bin/sh
2021-09-01 16:32:40 <ikke> yes, that should work
2021-09-01 16:32:49 <ikke> it doesn't have to be /bin/ash
2021-09-01 16:33:30 <ikke> although, it does default to /bin/ash
2021-09-01 16:33:38 <ikke> I think
2021-09-01 16:33:42 <eris[m]1> bin/sh is ash on busybox
2021-09-01 16:33:48 <eris[m]1> dunno if anyone uses hush
2021-09-01 16:34:06 <EF> Okay thanks foe the clarification
2021-09-01 16:34:11 <EF> *for
2021-09-01 16:34:32 <eris[m]1> hmm, my usb mouse functions but my usb stick does not
2021-09-01 16:34:33 <eris[m]1> odd
2021-09-01 16:34:59 <ikke> does /lib/modules/$(uname -r) exist?
2021-09-01 16:35:40 <eris[m]1> ye
2021-09-01 16:40:19 <eris[m]1> sd cards show up fine, but the usb doesnt
2021-09-01 16:56:05 <Jaafar[m]> <eris[m]1> "hey, how do i get the touchpad w" <- Touchpad as in drawing tablet? Like Wacom?
2021-09-01 16:56:26 <eris[m]1> works now
2021-09-01 16:56:30 <eris[m]1> touchpad as in touchpad
2021-09-01 16:56:33 <eris[m]1> the thing on a laptop
2021-09-01 16:56:38 <Jaafar[m]> Oh.
2021-09-01 16:56:44 <eris[m]1> and some models of keyboard
2021-09-01 16:57:04 <Jaafar[m]> I don't know why a trackpad wouldn't be working if you were using a laptop.
2021-09-01 16:57:19 <eris[m]1> i wasnt in the input group
2021-09-01 16:59:27 <eris[m]1> what i dont get it why my damn usb stick doesnt work
2021-09-01 16:59:37 <ikke> eris[m]1: anything in dmesg?
2021-09-01 17:01:29 <eris[m]1> lots
2021-09-01 17:01:48 <eris[m]1> cannot enable, maybe usb cable is bad
2021-09-01 17:02:14 <eris[m]1> which doesnr make sense
2021-09-01 17:02:22 <eris[m]1> considering the usb mlusr works
2021-09-01 17:02:47 <Jaafar[m]> What does `lsblk` say?
2021-09-01 17:03:29 <eris[m]1> nada; thats what im saying ^^'
2021-09-01 17:05:39 <eris[m]1> adapter issue
2021-09-01 17:05:40 <eris[m]1> how odd
2021-09-01 17:05:50 <eris[m]1> vcos a usb mouse worked over it
2021-09-01 17:07:44 <veiviser> usb mass storage is a separate modules pretty sure
2021-09-01 17:08:22 <veiviser> usb_storage, uas are the two i think, not sure
2021-09-01 19:06:06 <Spectre> Armv8 anyone using alpine on something other than raspberries? Rock64 perhaps
2021-09-01 19:16:35 <eris[m]1> anyone happen to know any Xterm gurus? 
2021-09-01 20:23:27 <pixx> Hi, i have a problem with diskless raid installation, after boot into diskless alpine on raid, the modloop init script is not able to mount modloop. Can anybody help me please, i can't sleep for three days now. I am not sure if my installation process is correct, I described it here https://notes.pixx.cz/doku.php?id=alpine:raidboot
2021-09-01 20:24:01 <ikke> diskless raid?
2021-09-01 20:24:22 <ikke> you mean that you mound a raid set on a tmpfs root?
2021-09-01 20:25:47 <pixx> no, my idea is to load alpine linux from raid to ram
2021-09-01 20:58:42 <Sashimi_> Hi all, I'm desperately looking for help booting alpine linux 64bit on my new rpi4b 8gb. I've followed the tutorial on the wiki, and still can't the damn thing to work. I am beginning to think the whole raspberry pi idea is a big joke and is nowhere near as reliable as it is supposed to be. thanks in advance
2021-09-01 21:05:23 <veiviser> Sashimi_: if you want to try something else, try https://github.com/pftf/RPi4 on the sd card, then just boot alpine off a usb and run it on a fast usb with a standard aarch64 image. it's what i do, works well :)
2021-09-01 21:06:53 <veiviser> you get a bios screen you can access same as a conventional motherboard with boot stuff and some settings, make sure to enable 8gb of ram- it's mentioned on the readme
2021-09-01 21:09:11 <lopid> how does it fail? i ask, going to bed
2021-09-01 21:10:31 <Sashimi_> it says some weird thing about either the Fat partition having issues, or not finding a firmware
2021-09-01 21:10:42 <Sashimi_> I've tried booting archlinux too
2021-09-01 21:10:53 <Sashimi_> same goddamn mess
2021-09-01 21:11:30 <Sashimi_> it feels completly mindblowing it's so complicated to boot anything besides their 32bit rpiOS
2021-09-01 21:13:45 <veiviser> for comparison with thing above, everything worked first try with no issues, and i even got openbsd to work when i tried, and alpine just works™
2021-09-01 21:15:02 <veiviser> regarding firmware/fat partitions, that sounds like not flashing the alpine-raspi image properly to the sd
2021-09-01 21:25:16 <eris[m]1> sorry to fill this channel with constant questions; having an issue where my laptop slows down to a halt with any opengl applications open (ie firefox, ie glxgears) 
2021-09-01 21:25:46 <eris[m]1> i've got my xf86 driver and my mesa installed 
2021-09-01 21:25:53 <eris[m]1> but it seems to be rendering using the CPU 
2021-09-01 21:27:20 <eris[m]1> glxinfo says that acceleration is on 
2021-09-01 21:31:08 <eris[m]1> uhmm
2021-09-01 21:31:16 <eris[m]1> 
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2021-09-01 21:31:20 <eris[m]1> restarted
2021-09-01 21:31:30 <eris[m]1> now glxgears is static
2021-09-01 21:31:37 <eris[m]1> but does this if moved
2021-09-01 21:35:51 <frag> is there a matrix client in repo?
2021-09-01 21:36:31 <veiviser> riot-web seems to be
2021-09-01 21:43:14 <frag> ah also gomuks
2021-09-01 21:48:04 <eris[m]1> lspci indicates that the driver is there
2021-09-01 21:48:15 <eris[m]1> firefox also acts weirdly, on account of being gpu accelerated 
2021-09-01 21:48:18 <eris[m]1> im on an intel gpu 
2021-09-01 21:55:10 <Spectre> anyone booting on a rock64, if so which kernel did you use?
2021-09-01 21:59:07 <eris[m]1> jesus this is weird 
2021-09-01 22:10:06 <pixx> thank you i just fixed my problem. I forgot to add squashfs to the feature in the mkinitfs config before generating new initfs. squashfs module looks important to mount modloop
2021-09-01 22:50:32 <eris[m]1> does anyone have any clue as to why glxgears wouldnt be moving
2021-09-01 22:52:32 <linearcannon> maybe your graphics card is just reeeeeaaalllyy slow :)
2021-09-01 22:52:40 <eris[m]1> no
2021-09-01 22:52:50 <eris[m]1> it reports FPS
2021-09-01 22:53:23 <linearcannon> wayland or x11?
2021-09-01 22:53:47 <eris[m]1> x11
2021-09-01 22:54:07 <eris[m]1> intel iris driver; got all the mesa and xf86 shite
2021-09-01 22:55:59 <linearcannon> what happens if you do `vblank_mode=0 glxgears"
2021-09-01 22:57:21 <eris[m]1> it moves but the whole computer is stuttery
2021-09-01 22:57:56 <eris[m]1> its on 2fps
2021-09-01 22:59:05 <eris[m]1> it moves at 10fps on the right side of my sxreen
2021-09-01 22:59:41 <linearcannon> have you done anything to your xorg.conf?
2021-09-01 23:00:29 <eris[m]1> i have added the intel gpu notear.conf
2021-09-01 23:00:42 <eris[m]1> which enables the TearFree option
2021-09-01 23:00:49 <eris[m]1> and the TripleBuffer option
2021-09-01 23:01:45 <eris[m]1> ir also sets dri to 3
2021-09-01 23:02:28 <linearcannon> first thing i suggest trying is setting DRI to 2.
2021-09-01 23:02:54 <linearcannon> you might also try setting AccelMethod to "uxa" instead of the default "sna"
2021-09-01 23:03:08 <eris[m]1> it segfaults
2021-09-01 23:03:19 <eris[m]1> with dri 2
2021-09-01 23:03:46 <linearcannon> not sure what your system is, but if it's 10th gen intel or beyond you may want to try disabling the AccelMethod entirely with `Option "NoAccel" "True" and `Option "DRI" "False"
2021-09-01 23:03:57 <linearcannon> ... pretend i quoted those correctly
2021-09-01 23:04:12 <eris[m]1> lol
2021-09-01 23:04:14 <eris[m]1> dw
2021-09-01 23:05:17 <linearcannon> a bunch of distros actually recommend not using xf86-video-intel and instead just using the default xf86-video-modesetting
2021-09-01 23:06:28 <linearcannon> from what i hear the xf86-video-intel driver is essentially unmaintained, and you're better off using the modesetting GLAMOR driver since that's common to the other graphics cards and well-tested
2021-09-01 23:06:37 <eris[m]1> ahh
2021-09-01 23:06:38 <eris[m]1> ok
2021-09-01 23:09:39 <eris[m]1> that fixed it!
2021-09-01 23:10:56 <eris[m]1> im watching youtube without tearing :)
2021-09-01 23:19:33 <frag> i wish tg in repo was this https://github.com/paul-nameless/tg , anyone god nameless version to work? 
2021-09-01 23:22:31 <frag> maybe it needs glibc ...
2021-09-01 23:27:26 <eris[m]1> you could build it urself 
2021-09-01 23:27:39 <eris[m]1> pip3 install tg
2021-09-01 23:27:39 <eris[m]1> tg
2021-09-01 23:38:09 <frag> yeah it gives errors
2021-09-01 23:38:36 <frag> OSError: Error relocating /4/.local/lib/python3.9/site-packages/telegram/lib/linux/libtdjson.so: __snprintf_chk: symbol not found
2021-09-01 23:38:42 <eris[m]1> ah 
2021-09-01 23:38:49 <eris[m]1> yea 
2021-09-01 23:38:54 <eris[m]1> its using a wheel for libtelegram 
2021-09-02 07:10:49 <frag> does apk use pip for installing python packages? seems 'pip list' lists packages installed by apk
2021-09-02 07:11:04 <ikke> No, it does not use pip
2021-09-02 07:11:15 <ikke> In most cases, we use setup.py install
2021-09-02 07:12:55 <frag> i see
2021-09-02 13:35:18 <CyberTailor> uhh.. i can't get my CSR bluetooth dongle working in alpine
2021-09-02 13:35:34 <CyberTailor> it isn't even in lsusb
2021-09-02 13:35:54 <CyberTailor> and it works on my gentoo pc
2021-09-02 13:36:10 <CyberTailor> i have all firmware (incl. bluez-firmware) installed
2021-09-02 13:37:28 <minimal> CyberTailor: sounds like a fundamental USB issue - even if the firmware wasn't installed I'd expect lsusb to show *all* connected USB devices, even if drivers for them were missing
2021-09-02 13:38:14 <minimal> so if you were to run "dmesg -w" (which basically tail's dmesg) and then plug-in the dongle does anything appear in the output?
2021-09-02 13:43:43 <veiviser> if lsusb -v doesn't have it you indeed are missing something before bluetooth drivers themselves
2021-09-02 13:43:59 <CyberTailor> minimal: https://dpaste.com/32J6YNYYB
2021-09-02 13:44:16 <veiviser> hm
2021-09-02 13:45:31 <CyberTailor> > hci0: unexpected event for opcode 0x0000
2021-09-02 13:45:35 <minimal> CyberTailor: so it sees it, know to use the btusb driver, but then something goes wrong at the bluetooth driver level....no idea, could be out-of-date firmware
2021-09-02 13:45:35 <CyberTailor> this line is red
2021-09-02 13:46:09 <minimal> is your Gentoo pc using the same version of bluetooth firmware?
2021-09-02 13:47:09 <CyberTailor> yes, 1.2
2021-09-02 13:47:35 <CyberTailor> it seems to be only for broadcom tho
2021-09-02 13:47:38 <CyberTailor> not for CSR
2021-09-02 13:49:53 <CyberTailor> i did "modprobe btusb" and it got detected
2021-09-02 13:51:19 <CyberTailor> i start to doubt whether it isn't broken
2021-09-02 13:51:33 <minimal> (from memory) didn't Broadcom buy CSR a couple of years ago
2021-09-02 13:52:39 <minimal> sorry, getting confused - it was Qualcomm who bought them
2021-09-02 15:39:20 <frag> when playing audio file in terminal with mpv, sometimes it freezes, and the windows dont close/respond even after killing mpv, have to use killw from wmutils. anyone know what this could be? seems to be mostly when skipping off the end of the file (using dwm btw)
2021-09-02 17:58:57 <a> Hello. I have been trying to get wireguard on Alpine up and running but every time I use wg-quick, my ssh session and anything connected just dies
2021-09-02 17:59:49 <a> I followed the guide on the wiki
2021-09-02 18:00:00 <a> Literally everything just dies and I am on the latest Alpine if that helps
2021-09-02 18:00:07 <a> my config is here
2021-09-02 18:00:08 <a> https://dpaste.org/ULvq#L5,6
2021-09-02 18:00:12 <a> I enabled forwarding
2021-09-02 18:00:26 <a> sysctl forwarding
2021-09-02 18:00:33 <a> All incoming connections just die
2021-09-02 19:02:32 <lopid> you shouldn't need your own iptables rules for wireguard if you're using wg-quick
2021-09-02 19:40:02 <Jaafar[m]> I installed `b43-firmware` and `b43-fwcutter` from `aports` and the repos respectively, then I added `b43` to `/etc/modules`, rebooted, aaaand I there's still no interface for Wi-Fi. No `wlan0` or `wlp3s0` or anything like that.
2021-09-02 22:23:38 <toniz4> hello guys, I used the setup-xorg-base script to setup x, but it replaced mdev with udev, and I prefer to keep mdev. I tried to uninstall eudev, but when rebooting I get no internet and can't start xorg corretctly. There is any way i can restore mdev as it was?
2021-09-03 04:40:27 <jeffreybenzos[m]> What's the doc package to get stuff like documentation for /etc/shells and other files?
2021-09-03 04:41:13 <ikke> Not sure if it contains that, but try man-pages
2021-09-03 08:38:39 <frag> 'apk info -R mpv' lists module dependencies and not package dependencies?? is it possible to list package dependencies?
2021-09-03 08:39:34 <frag> at least it only lists libs, not eg xdg-utils which it seem to depend on
2021-09-03 08:47:05 <lopid> it's supposed to show package deps
2021-09-03 08:47:57 <lopid> what's a 'module' in this context?
2021-09-03 09:03:19 <frag> lopid: i duno really know it just says so infront of ever item, eg so:libX11.so.6 
2021-09-03 09:03:52 <lopid> oh, yeah, it doesn't list the packages that the deps are in :/
2021-09-03 09:05:58 <lopid> apk doesn't know the contents of packages that aren't installed. have to look them up on the web site
2021-09-03 09:07:08 <frag> lopid: but i even have mpv installed
2021-09-03 09:07:46 <lopid> then, eg. "apk info -W '*/libEGL.so.1'" should work for you
2021-09-03 09:08:37 <lopid> oh, maybe not, it really does need the full path
2021-09-03 13:02:41 <hughwz> Hello everyone, I'm facing a bug really hard to debug related to initramfs and the atkbd driver (keyboard). I simply cannot type in the emergency initramfs shell. Anyone keen to give me some path on what is causing this issue?
2021-09-03 13:04:55 <lopid> ps2 keyboard?
2021-09-03 13:05:13 <hughwz> Yeap
2021-09-03 13:05:31 <hughwz> At/PS2 is detected with alpine image but not at initramfs
2021-09-03 13:05:50 <hughwz> The module is built-in in the default alpine-lts so not sure what is happening
2021-09-03 13:08:58 <hughwz> This smells like a module overriding another but since I cannot plug/unplug the keyboard,can't check what is happening . Keyboard is from a laptop.
2021-09-03 13:09:57 <hughwz> I also disabled the USB modules in the initramfs but to no avail. Still can't type in the initramfs shell
2021-09-03 13:17:16 <hughwz> I'm also in need to add nvme drivers manually to initramfs which is strange at best...seems like no autodetect is available
2021-09-03 13:29:29 <minimal> hughwz: in the file /etc/mkinitfs/mkinitfs.conf is "nvme" listed in the FEATURES list?
2021-09-03 13:31:03 <hughwz> minimal: it wasn't there when I installed. I add already and fixed the no device problem but I still need to type manually some encryption before mounting at initramfs level.
2021-09-03 13:32:15 <minimal> type manually some encryption? you mean enter the encryption passphrase?
2021-09-03 13:32:46 <hughwz> Yeap
2021-09-03 13:33:40 <minimal> you make it sound like that's a problem - normally I'd expect to be required to enter a passphrase when using encryption
2021-09-03 13:34:00 <hughwz> ? 
2021-09-03 13:34:12 <hughwz> I got a disk that is encrypted
2021-09-03 13:34:28 <hughwz> It's my root disk. Without typing the passphrase I can't import it
2021-09-03 13:34:49 <minimal> yes agreed. It sounded like you considered this a problem/issue
2021-09-03 13:35:19 <hughwz> Since the initramfs do not load properly a at/PS2 keyboard I can't type
2021-09-03 13:35:56 <minimal> right, but that's not specifically related to encryption - the inability to type the passphrase is a side-effect of the keyboard issue
2021-09-03 13:36:17 <hughwz> So the problem is the initramfs is not including the proper modules/features. The thing is the atkbd module which is the one that load my keyboard cannot be included in the initramfs since it is not a module but a built in
2021-09-03 13:36:28 <minimal> so is this a run-from-ram or run-from-disk (i.e. Sys mode) installation of Alpine?
2021-09-03 13:36:34 <hughwz> Run from disk
2021-09-03 13:36:57 <minimal> if atkbd is built into the kernel then there is no need to load it, its already there
2021-09-03 13:37:07 <minimal> Syslinux as bootloader? or Grub?
2021-09-03 13:37:07 <hughwz> In the initramfs?
2021-09-03 13:37:11 <hughwz> Syslinux
2021-09-03 13:37:54 <minimal> if its built into the kernel then there is no need to load it from anywhere - that's what built-in means
2021-09-03 13:38:19 <minimal> so at the Syslinux bootscreen does the keyboard work there?
2021-09-03 13:38:37 <hughwz> I can edit boot parameters but not afterwards
2021-09-03 13:39:38 <hughwz> I know - it is supposed to be there - but apparently it is not being used or it is overridden
2021-09-03 13:40:09 <hughwz> Very hard to debug obviously
2021-09-03 13:41:04 <hughwz> As said, I already removed for example the USB/hid modules from the initramfs but to no avail. Running out of options atm
2021-09-03 13:41:35 <minimal> you said you can't type in the emergency shell - if, as you say, you are being prompted for passphrase then how are you getting to the emergency shell as non-functional keyboard would mean you'd be stuff at passphrase prompt, or do you mean you've selected the emergency option at the Syslinux menu?
2021-09-03 13:41:55 <minimal> s/stuff/stuck/
2021-09-03 13:43:30 <hughwz> Now, I'm stuck at the passphrase sinxe I can't type
2021-09-03 13:43:47 <hughwz> When I didn't had the nvme driver, I was sent to the emerengecy shell without keyboard
2021-09-03 13:44:24 <minimal> ok, make sense, emergency shell appears when rootfs cannot be found
2021-09-03 13:45:10 <minimal> so at passphrase prompt even pressing just the Return/Enter key does nothing?
2021-09-03 13:45:33 <hughwz> No. No keyboard at all
2021-09-03 13:45:48 <hughwz> Only way to get out is hard reboot
2021-09-03 13:46:43 <minimal> at passphrase prompt it doesn't show what you type (for security reasons) - that's why I asked if pressing <Return> would give you a "wrong passphrase" error to show keyboard is working
2021-09-03 13:47:06 <minimal> as I was wondering if it was a keymap (i.e. which country keyboard) issue
2021-09-03 13:47:32 <hughwz> I know but again I already saw before that when initramfs-init throw me in the emergency shell
2021-09-03 13:47:53 <hughwz> Couldn't type anything 
2021-09-03 13:49:35 <minimal> if at the Syslinux screen you "edit" the boot menu entry for normal boot does the list of options passed to kernel on cmdline look ok? (i.e. is console=tty1 present?)
2021-09-03 13:50:21 <hughwz> Will reboot soon - just striping down the mkinitfs.conf now
2021-09-03 13:51:59 <minimal> shouldn't be any need for that - for example I have an Alpine VM running here now that uses AT keyboard fine, there was no need to tweak anything
2021-09-03 13:54:19 <hughwz> Console=tty1 is not present
2021-09-03 13:55:03 <minimal> try adding it then
2021-09-03 13:56:35 <minimal> sorry, console=tty0 rather than tty1
2021-09-03 13:57:44 <hughwz> No change
2021-09-03 13:57:48 <hughwz> Can't type.
2021-09-03 13:58:42 <minimal> using tty0?
2021-09-03 13:58:49 <hughwz> Yeap
2021-09-03 13:59:46 <minimal> hmm. Is it a generic laptop or some strange brand?
2021-09-03 14:01:22 <hughwz> Haha, probably strange. It's a fujitsu
2021-09-03 14:01:44 <hughwz> But again, live alpine works fine.
2021-09-03 14:03:58 <minimal> so if live works then have you looked at the "dmesg" output and "lsmod" output on a boot live system to spot anything unusual?
2021-09-03 14:04:44 <hughwz> I think there is no way to run - I think I will need to build my own kernel. I believe this is some other built in option eagerly taking the device. I may need to compile the kernel with the at driver as module so I can override whatever built in is taking my keyboard and leaving it unusable
2021-09-03 14:04:56 <minimal> some laptops have WMI-related "extras" which use additional kernel modules but those not being loaded usually don't affect basic keyboard operation
2021-09-03 14:05:31 <minimal> but live and disk install are basically using the *same* kernel so how will building your own kernel solve things?
2021-09-03 14:05:54 <hughwz> I will put the at module ad loadable
2021-09-03 14:06:16 <hughwz> As loadable
2021-09-03 14:06:54 <hughwz> "11:35 PM <minimal> but live and disk install are basically using the *same* kernel so how will building your own kernel solve things?" That is the theory - practice is showing a different thing hehe
2021-09-03 14:07:18 <hughwz> The thing is
2021-09-03 14:07:43 <minimal> nope, they are using the same *built* kernel, they may be loading different modules during boottime however, that's why I suggested looking at dmesg and lsmod output from the live system
2021-09-03 14:07:49 <hughwz> In the live boot I can inspect dmesg and see that the at built in module is loaded very earlier and setup my keyboard quite right
2021-09-03 14:07:54 <minimal> e.g. "dmesg|grep -i input"
2021-09-03 14:08:35 <hughwz> But at initramfs I can't or visualize because the boot is too quick
2021-09-03 14:09:10 <minimal> hughwz: sorry to be nitpicking but the at keyboard module is not loaded - it is built into the kernel and so cannot be loaded, its already present. It is initialised however...
2021-09-03 14:09:36 <hughwz> Sorry I mean my keyboard is loaded
2021-09-03 14:09:42 <minimal> your keymap?
2021-09-03 14:09:52 <hughwz> us
2021-09-03 14:10:24 <minimal> no I was asking when you said "Sorry I mean my keyboard is loaded" if you mean that your keymap was being loaded
2021-09-03 14:10:38 <hughwz> No, the device
2021-09-03 14:10:46 <minimal> what device?
2021-09-03 14:11:06 <hughwz> Just a sec
2021-09-03 14:11:48 <hughwz> "AT translated set 2 keyboard"
2021-09-03 14:11:58 <hughwz> As device/...
2021-09-03 14:12:17 <minimal> ok, "initialised" rather than "loaded" (which normally refers to a kernel module)
2021-09-03 14:12:34 <minimal> so I'd expect to see 4 lines related to PS/2 devices in the dmesg output
2021-09-03 14:12:46 <minimal> 2 serio lines, for keyboard and mount
2021-09-03 14:13:04 <minimal> the "input:" line
2021-09-03 14:13:30 <minimal> and before all of those a i8042: PNP: PS/2 Controller" line
2021-09-03 14:14:00 <hughwz> I got several inputs
2021-09-03 14:14:35 <hughwz> In dmesg
2021-09-03 14:15:11 <minimal> did you do the disk install via "setup-alpine"?
2021-09-03 14:15:20 <hughwz> No
2021-09-03 14:15:48 <minimal> so how did you install it?
2021-09-03 14:16:01 <hughwz> Ow I also got a fujitsu_laptop module may be the blame one
2021-09-03 14:16:23 <hughwz> Manually
2021-09-03 14:17:00 <hughwz> With setup-disk $folder
2021-09-03 14:17:05 <minimal> wondering if you left something out of your install method...
2021-09-03 14:17:10 <minimal> https://cateee.net/lkddb/web-lkddb/FUJITSU_LAPTOP.html
2021-09-03 14:17:34 <minimal> that seems to be for "extra" stuff like I mentioned earlier regarding WMI, so should not stricly speaking be necessary to load
2021-09-03 14:17:59 <minimal> any reason you didn't install using setup-alpine?
2021-09-03 14:18:36 <hughwz> Maybe - will have a look
2021-09-03 14:19:06 <hughwz> I will look at the script and see if there is anything run after the setup disk call - completely forgot to check for that
2021-09-03 14:19:39 <hughwz> I maybe assume the initramfs script will check for me - I'm used to the genkernel so that's why.
2021-09-03 14:19:45 <hughwz> Would*
2021-09-03 14:21:36 <minimal> I have a script for building Alpine disk images, but its intended for servers, not for desktops/laptops
2021-09-03 14:21:44 <hughwz> Well the only thing after setup-disk is setup lbu and apkcache. So I think I'm pretty complete ( and also did that before)
2021-09-03 14:22:05 <hughwz> I will check that Fujitsu module seems likely I may be missing it
2021-09-03 14:26:09 <minimal> that module is present in the linux-lts package so you can try adding it to the mkinitfs config and rebuild the initramfs - no expecting that to make a difference buy who knows. You might need to add it to the "modules=" list in the Syslinux config if it doesn't get auto loaded.
2021-09-03 14:27:02 <minimal> BTW do you have "quiet" in your Syslinux command line list? Removing it will give you some more output during boot - but will probably means things scroll off the screen twice as fast lol
2021-09-03 14:28:11 <Milamber75> Hi. I'm trying to get my RPI4 to recognize a RTL8111 ethernet. I can't seem to find the module for it. Does anybody have an idea on how to get this module on the RPI4 kernel?
2021-09-03 14:29:08 <hughwz> minimal: I removed but can't see much it is too quick!
2021-09-03 14:35:54 <hughwz> Fuck yeah solved the problem
2021-09-03 14:36:10 <minimal> the fujitsu module?
2021-09-03 14:36:13 <hughwz> After trying the Fujitsu module to no avail
2021-09-03 14:36:19 <hughwz> I did a Google and found this
2021-09-03 14:36:21 <hughwz> https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=219469
2021-09-03 14:36:39 <hughwz> I was looking for what that module is and someone got the same problem
2021-09-03 14:36:49 <hughwz> I need the psmouse module
2021-09-03 14:38:15 <minimal> weird, that should only affect mouse support and not keyboard support
2021-09-03 14:38:23 <hughwz> Fuck yeah working like a charm
2021-09-03 14:38:53 <hughwz> Thanks for the help mate
2021-09-03 14:38:54 <minimal> indeed on the VM here which uses PS/2 keyboard I specifically have psmouse module blacklisted as its a server with no need for a mouse
2021-09-03 14:39:13 <hughwz> Holy moly
2021-09-03 14:39:21 <minimal> sounds like something weird with that particular laptop's hardware design
2021-09-03 14:39:43 <hughwz> Yeap maybe they share some circuitry or lines
2021-09-03 14:40:21 <minimal> as that article mentions Synaptics then that could be the case
2021-09-03 14:40:53 <hughwz> Is alpine devs interested in this kinda of thing? Just wondering if I should push a fujitsu.modules or laike
2021-09-03 14:40:56 <hughwz> Alike
2021-09-03 14:41:24 <hughwz> To the mkinifs package
2021-09-03 14:41:50 <minimal> try adding "psmouse" to Syslinux's "modules=" list? If that works then edit /etc/update-extlinux.conf and add it to the modules entry
2021-09-03 14:42:36 <minimal> and then run the Syslinux updater to modify the /boot/extlinux.conf file
2021-09-03 14:43:23 <minimal> haven't tried PS/2 based keyboard with physical machines in a long time as I have a USB-based KVM for servers
2021-09-03 14:44:17 <hughwz> Im not familiar with these alpine scripts but will have a look - maybe no need to tinker with init anyway. But still, I had the nvme module missing before so clearly the automatic scrips are somehow limited in the detection aspects
2021-09-03 14:44:28 <hughwz> Initramfs I mean
2021-09-03 14:45:26 <minimal> must admit I'm not up-to-date on the setup scripts as I have my own for building prepared disk images for Cloud/VM/Physical machines
2021-09-03 14:46:31 <minimal> you'll probably want to install the nvme-cli package as well
2021-09-03 14:48:06 <veiviser> Milamber75: linux-firmware-rtl_nic seems to be what i have loaded
2021-09-03 14:48:16 <veiviser> but it should be there if you just have linux-firmware
2021-09-03 14:48:46 <hughwz> Cool - I moved to alpine because of that. Just want to be close to what I'm deploying and increase my avail ram.
2021-09-03 14:49:42 <hughwz> Thanks again mate 
2021-09-03 14:49:56 <minimal> no problem
2021-09-03 15:01:20 <Milamber75> Yeah, I have linux-firmware installed, and it didn't work. It shows up in lspci only.
2021-09-03 15:04:53 <veiviser> i can give you my lsmod if you want to see if something isn't loaded in there
2021-09-03 16:07:18 <telmich> How does any of you automaticall suspend the notebook prior to battery exhaustion? I could probably write a script for cron to pm-suspend at x %, but I wonder if somebody did something smarter
2021-09-03 16:08:16 <frag> anyone using tg/telegram-cli from repo? when running "dialog_list" i get error: > Assertion failed: 0 (tgl/structures.c: tglf_fetch_message_media_new: 944) .. zsh: illegal hardware instruction  telegram-cli -k /etc/telegram-cli/tg.pub
2021-09-03 16:08:18 <eris[m]1> does acpid sent battery events?
2021-09-03 16:08:38 <eris[m]1> send*
2021-09-03 16:13:20 <telmich> eris[m]1: I don't think so
2021-09-03 16:16:44 <eris[m]1> hm
2021-09-03 16:19:00 <eris[m]1> could do something with https://linux.die.net/man/1/inotifywait
2021-09-03 16:19:54 <eris[m]1> and the sysfs file
2021-09-03 16:40:02 <Milamber75> veiviser: That might help. But I don't see a realtek directory under /lib/modules/5.10.61-0-rpi4/kernel/drivers/net/ethernet. I think the driver's just not included in the apk.
2021-09-03 16:42:16 <veiviser> huh, i seem to have it
2021-09-03 16:42:22 <veiviser> but i use -edge
2021-09-03 16:48:03 <frag> seems to be BIG difference in package availability between edge and the other versions
2021-09-03 16:49:21 <veiviser> it's not a package difference, just the kernel module, and it's weird because you do need this one for the rpi4 ethernet and the linux-rpi4 kernel is seemingly missing it
2021-09-03 16:51:05 <Milamber75> I'm technically not using an RPI4, but rather a CM4. The board I'm using is a DFR0767, which has 2 ethernets. One of them is the built-in broadcom ethernet, which is working fine. The other is the realtek which I can't bring up.
2021-09-03 16:51:22 <veiviser> ah
2021-09-03 16:52:40 <Milamber75> The tarball for the RPI doesn't have edge, I thought. How did you build yours so that it's edge, and not the RPI version?
2021-09-03 16:56:02 <edsonwolf> Good afternoon. I use the program dia, how can it join the two windows, as installed by default in other distros?
2021-09-03 17:00:29 <veiviser> i use rpi4-uefi so i use normal images, but booting aside everything should be the same, all the rpi4 images have is the overlay/ stuff that is included in rpi4-uefi instead, more or less
2021-09-03 17:01:02 <veiviser> just moves the booting stuff one layer down
2021-09-03 17:16:11 <Milamber75> So the image you downloaded was the standar aarch64 one on the page?
2021-09-03 17:17:06 <veiviser> yes
2021-09-03 17:17:28 <veiviser> and those definitely have the realtek modules
2021-09-03 17:17:46 <edsonwolf> I found it, thanks. dia --integrated
2021-09-03 17:24:02 <patdk-lap> having a new issue with 3.14.2 on arm64
2021-09-03 17:24:03 <patdk-lap> #30 16.58 Executing ca-certificates-20191127-r5.trigger
2021-09-03 17:24:03 <patdk-lap> #30 16.58 ERROR: ca-certificates-20191127-r5.trigger: script exited with error 1
2021-09-03 17:24:24 <patdk-lap> seems to be affecting several different packages in the same way
2021-09-03 17:27:52 <minimal> patdk-lap: have you tried manually running what the trigger runs (but without the /dev/null output) to see what it shows?
2021-09-03 17:27:54 <minimal> "/usr/sbin/update-ca-certificates --fresh"
2021-09-03 18:32:23 <patdk-lap> well, how am I suppose to ru nthat when it fails to install?
2021-09-03 18:33:09 <minimal> patdk-lap: did it fail to install, or did the trigger run after install fail?
2021-09-03 18:33:26 <patdk-lap> isn't the trigger part of the install
2021-09-03 18:35:43 <minimal> don't believe so, a package can register a trigger on any directory/file (belonging to any package) to take an action when something changes there
2021-09-03 18:39:38 <minimal> so the output you showed was a problem with the ca-certificates package trigger - that doesn't necessarily mean the ca-certificates package was updated, just that something changed in one or more of the directories it "watches": /usr/share/ca-certificates, /usr/local/share/ca-certificates, /etc/ssl/certs, /etc/ca-certificates/update.d
2021-09-03 18:44:04 <patdk-lap> ah fixed it
2021-09-03 18:44:11 <patdk-lap> something was broken with qemu
2021-09-03 19:18:37 <againstalllogic> Hi everyone! Sorry to bother with a dumb question, but here it goes - I currently use Ubuntu on a remote bare metal server, that funny enough runs docker with a bunch of Alpine images. Recently I've been looking for a systemd free and specially secure out-of-the-box Linux distro, Alpine was my first thought. Is running Alpine on bare metal a crazy thing?
2021-09-03 19:19:12 <ikke> no
2021-09-03 19:19:31 <againstalllogic> I run OpenBSD on my router too, but recently I'm having a lot of power outages, I'm thinking on going on Alpine full on
2021-09-03 19:19:49 <ikke> We run alpine bare-metal on our infrastructure
2021-09-03 19:20:02 <againstalllogic> That's awesome!
2021-09-03 19:20:14 <ikke> Alpine is a full-os, was running on servers way before docker existed
2021-09-03 19:20:42 <ikke> It's just that the minimalistic approach was suitable for docker as well
2021-09-03 19:21:50 <againstalllogic> That's great! I'm going to give it a try then, I just love the idea of the PIE on all packages and minimal mentality
2021-09-03 19:22:07 <againstalllogic> Thanks so much for the reply :)
2021-09-03 19:22:37 <ikke> no problem
2021-09-03 19:23:32 <minimal> againstalllogic: for Alpine as a bare-metal server you might be interested in my script: https://github.com/dermotbradley/create-alpine-disk-image
2021-09-03 19:24:07 <againstalllogic> Thank you so much! And sorry I ended up tagging you :(
2021-09-03 19:24:19 <ikke> He is used to it :P
2021-09-03 19:24:23 <againstalllogic> lol
2021-09-03 19:25:01 <minimal> yupe, I'm well used to it :-)
2021-09-03 19:31:12 <againstalllogic> last question, for a VPS I should use the "virtual" iso right?
2021-09-03 19:31:26 <ikke> generally makes sense, yes
2021-09-03 19:31:39 <againstalllogic> thanks
2021-09-03 19:32:59 <minimal> yes, depending on the VPS provider only virtio modules may be needed
2021-09-03 21:21:57 <eris[m]1> hey, does anyone know ho to get about setting up bluetooth on alpine? 
2021-09-03 21:22:15 <eris[m]1> got the service in runlevels, got bluez installed 
2021-09-03 21:22:18 <eris[m]1> but bluetoothd is crashing 
2021-09-03 21:23:59 <veiviser> what does it crash with
2021-09-03 21:26:39 <eris[m]1> i dont know 
2021-09-03 21:28:21 <eris[m]1> oh 
2021-09-03 21:28:25 <eris[m]1> dbus setup failed 
2021-09-03 21:28:44 <eris[m]1> :1.5 isn't allowed to own the service org.bluez due to security policies in the configuration file 
2021-09-03 21:33:53 <eris[m]1> hmm, maybe a restart would do me good 
2021-09-03 21:35:45 <Jaafar[m]> I installed `b43-firmware` and `b43-fwcutter` from `aports` and the repos respectively, then I added `b43` to `/etc/modules`, rebooted, aaaand there's still no interface for Wi-Fi. No `wlan0` or `wlp3s0` or anything like that. [bump]
2021-09-03 21:58:36 <eris[m]1> new error! 
2021-09-03 21:58:54 <eris[m]1> it pairs, but just fails 
2021-09-03 22:00:40 <veiviser> do you connect after pair
2021-09-03 22:01:49 <eris[m]1> no 
2021-09-03 22:01:53 <eris[m]1> the connecting fails ^^
2021-09-03 22:01:54 <eris[m]1> sorry 
2021-09-03 22:04:03 <eris[m]1> with the very helpful error message: org.bluez.error.failed
2021-09-03 22:34:30 <eris[m]1> i pair successfully but cannot connect at all 
2021-09-03 22:34:38 <eris[m]1> have found no advice online 
2021-09-03 22:34:46 <eris[m]1> im not using pulseaudio, just alsa 
2021-09-03 22:39:17 <veiviser> i take it you have the bluez-alsa stuff
2021-09-03 22:39:26 <eris[m]1> ya 
2021-09-03 22:39:34 <eris[m]1> im actually tryiing to a pair a mouse though 
2021-09-03 22:39:53 <eris[m]1> but the advice online is installed the pulse stuff 
2021-09-03 22:39:57 <eris[m]1> install* 
2021-09-03 22:40:28 <veiviser> worth a try since it doesn't take long to fiddle with
2021-09-03 22:41:07 <eris[m]1> i dont want to use pulse 
2021-09-03 22:41:09 <eris[m]1> its a bit annoying
2021-09-03 22:43:07 <veiviser> try pipewire
2021-09-03 22:44:20 <eris[m]1> pipewire is more of the same 
2021-09-03 22:50:14 <eris[m]1> hmm
2021-09-03 22:50:15 <eris[m]1> new behaviour 
2021-09-03 22:50:24 <eris[m]1> error failed
2021-09-03 22:50:24 <eris[m]1> connected: no
2021-09-03 22:50:24 <eris[m]1> its started Connected: yes
2021-09-03 22:56:28 <veiviser> not very close to the same
2021-09-03 22:57:27 <eris[m]1> annoying, i mean :P
2021-09-03 23:19:30 <veiviser> even in that way :p
2021-09-03 23:20:09 <eris[m]1> mmm
2021-09-03 23:20:13 <eris[m]1> ill just try pulse 
2021-09-03 23:20:17 <eris[m]1> i have more experience with it 
2021-09-03 23:20:19 <eris[m]1> i packaged it once 
2021-09-03 23:24:06 <eris[m]1> installing pulse did not produce a pairing 
2021-09-04 03:48:03 <edsonwolf> vlc no open. https://pastebin.com/NSW1r824
2021-09-04 03:51:26 <edsonwolf> version 3.14.2
2021-09-04 03:54:03 <veiviser> if you want the gui to open you want to install vlc-qt
2021-09-04 03:54:27 <veiviser> aside from that i guess it failed to connect to pulse but that's a separate issue
2021-09-04 04:11:36 <edsonwolf> Ok. thanks
2021-09-04 04:18:02 <edsonwolf> He found the sound, I installed alsa.
2021-09-04 06:11:10 <Poao> hello, i installed alpine with mini root filesystem, it's a virtual machine so i try linux-virt kernel. My problem is this new Os can't detect the ethernet card. I chroot and add linux-firmware but no use
2021-09-04 06:13:01 <Poao> how to let it detect my ethernet card? it's only start lo networking now
2021-09-04 06:15:38 <ikke> If you use the minirootfs, did you make sure the right services are enabled in openrc?
2021-09-04 06:15:42 <ikke> did you install mdev?
2021-09-04 06:16:31 <Poao> no, i only install linux-virt and linux-firmware
2021-09-04 06:16:35 <Poao> and gummiboot
2021-09-04 06:16:45 <Poao> let me try it
2021-09-04 06:20:34 <ikke> linux-firmware should not be needed for virtual hardware afaik
2021-09-04 06:21:37 <Poao> Is package named "mdevd"?
2021-09-04 06:46:21 <frag> if a ooold 1TB external hdd takes forever to mkfs.ext4, is it probably broken? tried a couple of times ...
2021-09-04 06:47:19 <ikke> should not take ages
2021-09-04 06:55:08 <Poao> i add mdevd package and mdev service to sysinit,  it still  cannot find my network device...
2021-09-04 07:00:19 <frag> have to reboot to free this hdd seems :|
2021-09-04 07:01:26 <ikke> Poao: maybe you should start with the virt image, not a minirootfs
2021-09-04 07:01:58 <Poao> ok
2021-09-04 07:29:50 <frag> what do you use for pdf2txt?
2021-09-04 07:40:20 <frag> ah i see poppler-utils has pdftotext
2021-09-04 08:09:13 <frag> epub2txt in repo seems nice
2021-09-04 08:09:27 <frag> had to install calibre to use ebook-converter before :p
2021-09-04 11:27:27 <s4gg> I try to run the application from the flatpack from regular user, but get an error bwrap: Can't mount proc on /newroot/proc: Operation not permitted | error: ldconfig failed, exit status 256
2021-09-04 11:28:13 <s4gg> How to fix that?
2021-09-04 11:30:19 <lopid> maybe a bad flatpack
2021-09-04 11:32:19 <s4gg> Under root al works fine.
2021-09-04 11:32:35 <s4gg> But i dont want to run it under root...
2021-09-04 11:33:58 <lopid> does it happen with other flatpacks?
2021-09-04 11:35:04 <s4gg> Hm, i dont have any other flatpacks, let me try to install something...
2021-09-04 11:36:42 <s4gg> lopid: yep, same error
2021-09-04 11:37:28 <lopid> i wonder if you could create /newroot, owned by your user, and then have it work
2021-09-04 11:43:04 <s4gg> lopid: didnt work 
2021-09-04 11:49:59 <lopid> same error?
2021-09-04 12:05:10 <draser> Hello, I have an issue with rpi4 and camera module, could anyone help perhaps? I am running Alpine 3.14 on a raspberry pi 4 and I have connected a raspberry pi camera rev 1.3. The problem is that I cannot enable the camera! That is, the /dev/video0 doesn't appear even after adding to the config.txt the options "start_x=1, gpu_mem=128". Anyone tried something similar? 
2021-09-04 12:05:11 <s4gg> yep
2021-09-04 12:05:34 <s4gg> If i run under root - no errors, all works fine.
2021-09-04 12:05:40 <lopid> maybe strace has something more useful
2021-09-04 12:07:12 <lopid> nothing in dmesg about the camera device, draser?
2021-09-04 12:10:14 <draser> @lopid let me check 
2021-09-04 12:10:20 <lopid> just lopid
2021-09-04 12:15:13 <draser> No, I don't see anything in dmesg...
2021-09-04 12:27:57 <draser> Anybody tried setting up a camera in a raspberry pi 4 running alpine?
2021-09-04 12:54:06 <draser> Anybody tried setting up a camera in a raspberry pi 4 running alpine? My rpi doesn't seem to recognise the camera...
2021-09-04 12:54:24 <draser> Also does anyone know where can I find the start4x.elf file?
2021-09-04 12:56:23 <lopid> https://pkgs.alpinelinux.org/contents?file=start4x.elf&path=*&name=&branch=v3.14&arch=armv7
2021-09-04 13:24:40 <draser> Thank you lopid :) Unfortunately it doesn't work even with this start4x.elf file
2021-09-04 13:27:53 <draser> Anybody tried setting up a camera in a raspberry pi 4 running alpine? My rpi doesn't seem to recognise the camera...
2021-09-04 13:32:25 <draser> Solved it --> I was editing the usercfg.txt file instead of the config.txt (as recommended by alpine). The issue is solved if I edit the config.txt instead. Thanks again lopid!
2021-09-04 13:32:39 <lopid> hmm. ok, good
2021-09-04 13:45:42 <Jaafar[m]> I installed `b43-firmware` and `b43-fwcutter` from `aports` and the repos respectively, then I added `b43` to `/etc/modules`, rebooted, aaaand there's still no interface for Wi-Fi. No `wlan0` or `wlp3s0` or anything like that. [bump again]
2021-09-04 13:48:59 <lopid> b43 isn't shown in `lsmod`?
2021-09-04 13:50:13 <Jaafar[m]> It does show up.
2021-09-04 13:50:16 <Jaafar[m]> Along with its dependencies as well, lopid.
2021-09-04 13:51:11 <lopid> nothing about the device in `dmesg`?
2021-09-04 13:52:10 <Jaafar[m]> There are two lines.
2021-09-04 13:52:53 <Jaafar[m]> [    22.960711] b43-phy0: Broadcom 4322 WLAN found (core revision 16)
2021-09-04 13:53:26 <Jaafar[m]> [    23.011223] Broadcom 43xx driver loaded [ Features: PNLS ]
2021-09-04 13:53:27 <Jaafar[m]> That's it.
2021-09-04 13:54:22 <lopid> is it in `lspci`?
2021-09-04 13:56:05 <Jaafar[m]> Yes.
2021-09-04 13:56:29 <lopid> just not in `ip l`?
2021-09-04 13:56:57 <Jaafar[m]> 03:00.0 Network controller: Broadcom Inc. and subsidiaries BCM4322 802.11a/b/g/n Wireless LAN Controller (rev 01)
2021-09-04 13:57:03 <Jaafar[m]> lopid: No.
2021-09-04 13:57:43 <lopid> probably won't be in `ifconfig -a`, either?
2021-09-04 13:58:04 <Jaafar[m]> Nope.
2021-09-04 13:58:35 <Jaafar[m]> Do I need wireless-tools?
2021-09-04 13:59:08 <lopid> wouldn't have thought so. it sounds like the device is indeed detected, just not configured for use
2021-09-04 13:59:56 <lopid> there is a command to enable or disable wifi. i am not sure if it removes the device, though, and can't remember what it is
2021-09-04 14:00:09 <lopid> iw…
2021-09-04 14:00:16 <lopid> maybe it's in wireless-tools
2021-09-04 14:00:40 <Jaafar[m]> Yeah, iw is part of wireless-tools, which I've just installed.
2021-09-04 14:01:42 <Jaafar[m]> Does it matter if I have mdev or udev?
2021-09-04 14:01:49 <lopid> don't know
2021-09-04 14:02:42 <lopid> maybe it was rfkill
2021-09-04 14:03:17 <Jaafar[m]> It only shows hci0, which is a bluetooth thing.
2021-09-04 14:03:32 <Jaafar[m]> It's neither softblocked nor hardblocked.
2021-09-04 14:04:17 <lopid> from `rfkill list`?
2021-09-04 14:04:35 <Jaafar[m]> Yes.
2021-09-04 14:05:44 <lopid> i suppose /etc/network/interfaces comes into it after the device should have appeared
2021-09-04 14:08:07 <Jaafar[m]> I couldn't find `wlan0` or `wlp3s0` in that file.
2021-09-04 14:09:07 <lopid> do they occur anywhere under /etc or /boot?
2021-09-04 14:09:19 <lopid> anywhere relevant
2021-09-04 14:12:07 <Jaafar[m]> Can I use GNU grep to perhaps search for them in the files recursively?
2021-09-04 14:12:33 <lopid> grep -rsE '(wlan0|wlp3s0)' /etc /boot
2021-09-04 14:13:31 <Jaafar[m]> Nothing.
2021-09-04 14:16:43 <lopid> i don't know if they should, not using wifi myself
2021-09-04 14:18:46 <Jaafar[m]> Pretty sure they don't have to be.
2021-09-04 14:34:56 <Hello71> what card are you using
2021-09-04 14:35:09 <Hello71> wait, you said already
2021-09-04 14:35:21 <Jaafar[m]> Yes.
2021-09-04 14:35:53 <Hello71> post full dmesg
2021-09-04 14:36:29 <Hello71> iw is iw, wireless-tools has iwconfig
2021-09-04 14:38:47 <Jaafar[m]> Hello71: https://termbin.com/uvpm7
2021-09-04 14:39:16 <Hello71> why didn't you post the immediately following lines about firmware load failed
2021-09-04 14:40:19 <Jaafar[m]> Hello71: That's all I got.
2021-09-04 14:40:27 <Hello71> i mean earlier
2021-09-04 14:40:53 <Hello71> you pasted two lines but not the middle two lines or the succeeding seven errors
2021-09-04 14:40:54 <Jaafar[m]> Because I was not aware of it.
2021-09-04 14:43:06 <veiviser> well, it tells you where to get the firmware
2021-09-04 14:43:21 <veiviser> reading through it that specific one cannot be in linux-firmware or somesuch because of licencing issues, but i didn't check too much
2021-09-04 14:44:09 <Jaafar[m]> I know.
2021-09-04 14:44:48 <veiviser> b43-fwcutter also doesn't give you any firmware, it's a tool tool that extracts those requisite firmware files from the download you get from broadcom
2021-09-04 14:45:19 <veiviser> the instructions on the link tell you what to do next
2021-09-04 14:53:01 <Jaafar[m]> Yes! I followed the instructions and now I've got it!
2021-09-04 14:53:28 <veiviser> glad it works :)
2021-09-04 14:57:05 <lopid> !
2021-09-04 15:00:31 <Jaafar[m]> Aaaaand I ruined it.
2021-09-04 15:03:29 <veiviser> f
2021-09-04 15:11:30 <Jaafar[m]> "wlan0 Failed to read scan data : Resource temporarily unavailable"
2021-09-04 15:11:56 <Jaafar[m]> What I did was remove wlan0 from /etc/network/interfaces because I accidentally chose dhcp when I wanted static.
2021-09-04 15:12:24 <Jaafar[m]> And now I get this error when I scan for networks, whether with setup-interfaces or iwlist wlan0 scanning.
2021-09-04 15:14:11 <veiviser> add it back to the file and see if it works?
2021-09-04 15:15:13 <Jaafar[m]> I don't know the syntax.
2021-09-04 15:17:54 <lopid> http://manpages.org/etc-network-interfaces/5
2021-09-04 15:19:05 <Jaafar[m]> I already read the manpage and got the syntax I need, lopid.
2021-09-04 15:19:44 <lopid> hint taken
2021-09-04 15:21:00 <Jaafar[m]> Besides editing `/etc/hosts` accordingly, `auto wlan0 \n iface wlan0 \n\t address ADDR \n\t gateway ADDR` is all I need for a static config, right?
2021-09-04 15:21:37 <veiviser> yes
2021-09-04 15:24:12 <Hello71> stopping wpa_supplicant might get it working again
2021-09-04 15:24:15 <Hello71> or just reboot
2021-09-04 15:24:30 <Jaafar[m]> Hello71: The problem has already been solved.
2021-09-04 15:26:26 <lopid> …
2021-09-04 16:09:03 <pixx> Hi what is a purpos of /apks/ on installation iso, as i understand it includes main utilities which you can install without networks (it's a local repository). But what if i have a network and remove /media/usb/apks/ from /etc/apk/repositories and use remote repository. As i guess i have to sync apk cache, because i need installed .apk files. Can i delete /apks folder after that?
2021-09-04 16:09:45 <pixx> i tried to remove /apks folder and i have a problem with mounting modloop after reboot
2021-09-04 20:01:26 <kurb42> hey guys
2021-09-04 20:02:44 <kurb42> alpine have a web hosting, like a debian (people.debian.org)
2021-09-04 21:04:35 <ikke> kurb42: no
2021-09-05 06:57:24 <jeffreybenzos[m]> I see the opencl icd loader package, but what do I do to actually get OpenCL running on my compuper? I have an amd gpu
2021-09-05 09:45:09 <frag> its usually the apps that put data in .cache that deletes it also?
2021-09-05 10:09:58 <lopid> 
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2021-09-05 10:15:31 <frag> :]
2021-09-05 13:15:46 <dekedro[m]> Why doesn't "/etc/init.d/networking" contain something like "want firewall" in depend function?
2021-09-05 13:16:10 <dekedro[m]> It makes sense to first start firewall, then mess with network configuration, no?
2021-09-05 13:19:14 <Anelia25F> 
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2021-09-05 14:12:25 <eris[m]1> i've upgraded to alpine edge, and bluetoothctl no longer works 
2021-09-05 14:13:15 <eris[m]1> it errors with dbus: arguments to dbus_connection_get_objection_path_data()  were incorrect, assertion connection != nulll failed in file dbus-connection.c 
2021-09-05 14:14:55 <eris[m]1> hm
2021-09-05 14:15:32 <eris[m]1> mybe ive resolved it 
2021-09-05 14:19:09 <eris[m]1> nope! 
2021-09-05 14:23:56 <eris[m]1> hmm, i added pulseaudio like basically everything was suggesting and now my audio doesn't work 
2021-09-05 14:24:24 <eris[m]1> veiviser
2021-09-05 14:24:27 <eris[m]1> you reccomened it right 
2021-09-05 14:28:28 <eris[m]1> and neither does bluetooth...
2021-09-05 14:28:30 <eris[m]1> still 
2021-09-05 14:28:33 <eris[m]1> gah 
2021-09-05 14:30:29 <eris[m]1> uhhm 
2021-09-05 14:30:31 <eris[m]1> my headphone set connected 
2021-09-05 14:30:37 <eris[m]1> but there's no audio from pulse 
2021-09-05 14:30:56 <eris[m]1> OH
2021-09-05 14:30:58 <eris[m]1> it works! 
2021-09-05 14:31:00 <eris[m]1> audio!!
2021-09-05 14:31:41 <eris[m]1> but i cant change volume 
2021-09-05 14:45:58 <eris[m]1> hmm 
2021-09-05 14:46:04 <eris[m]1> so, audio output through bluetooth works 
2021-09-05 14:46:13 <eris[m]1> but it won't output from the builtin speakers or the headphone jack 
2021-09-05 14:47:05 <eris[m]1> uhhhh 
2021-09-05 14:47:06 <eris[m]1> ok 
2021-09-05 14:47:07 <eris[m]1> black magic
2021-09-05 16:50:01 <nuovolnx> Is alpine linux suitable for desktop use? what is the purpose of alpine linux?
2021-09-05 16:54:22 <veiviser> yes
2021-09-05 16:54:40 <Misthios> suitable depends (big one is no electron apps) (which i dont mind tbf)
2021-09-05 16:54:56 <Misthios> qemu win10 vm for all that crap
2021-09-05 16:55:15 <veiviser> flatpak has them all
2021-09-05 16:55:42 <lopid> big one = big feature
2021-09-05 16:55:51 <Misthios> xd
2021-09-05 16:55:56 <eris[m]1> alpine linux is suitable for desktop use 
2021-09-05 16:55:56 <eris[m]1> originally it was intended to run from ram, right? 
2021-09-05 16:55:59 <eris[m]1> like for routers and shit 
2021-09-05 16:56:13 <eris[m]1> it's used in docker containers a shit ton bcos its tiny 
2021-09-05 16:56:17 <eris[m]1> as compared to most linux distributions 
2021-09-05 16:56:45 <eris[m]1> i've used less capable distros than alpine as desktops 
2021-09-05 16:57:34 <eris[m]1> 
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2021-09-05 16:57:51 <Misthios> ah kiss
2021-09-05 16:58:08 <veiviser> berries is an incredibly cute hostname
2021-09-05 16:58:14 <eris[m]1> thanks :) 
2021-09-05 16:58:22 <eris[m]1> it's a portmaneu of my name and my partner's name 
2021-09-05 16:58:28 <veiviser> pretty ~
2021-09-05 16:58:39 <eris[m]1> thematically, my laptop has a strawberry sticker
2021-09-05 16:59:01 <eris[m]1> the one that has alpine on it, that is 
2021-09-05 16:59:05 <eris[m]1> that one's also called berries 
2021-09-05 16:59:23 <veiviser> add a raspberry for me
2021-09-05 16:59:34 <eris[m]1> haha, i dont think i have a sticker of that 
2021-09-05 16:59:55 <eris[m]1> i've got four new ones arriving on the 10th or something 
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2021-09-05 17:04:07 <nuovolnx> postmarketos is alpinelinux? what changes?
2021-09-05 17:04:19 <veiviser> eris[m]1: i do want all of those
2021-09-05 17:04:47 <Misthios> this is more alpine-offtopic tbf
2021-09-05 17:05:13 <eris[m]1> haha, i didnt know that one existed 
2021-09-05 17:05:23 <eris[m]1> postmarket is like
2021-09-05 17:05:33 <eris[m]1> a pretty different alpine? heavily adapted for mobile devices iirc 
2021-09-05 17:05:39 <eris[m]1> i think it has a bunch of different custom packages and such 
2021-09-05 17:07:55 <nuovolnx> does anyone have a phone with postmarketos?
2021-09-05 17:08:51 <eris[m]1> i think that you'll find plenty of people who do in pinephone channels and such! those are quite big on pmOS iirc :) 
2021-09-05 17:51:50 <nuovolnx> Sorry I can't join the #postmarketos channel on OFTC. It gives me the following error: #postmarketos: You must connect via SSL to join this channel (+ S). Anyone know how this is done?
2021-09-05 17:52:42 <user____> ask on #oftc for the procedure for your client. I think #oftc is the right channel.
2021-09-05 17:53:21 <nuovolnx> thanks
2021-09-05 17:53:43 <user____> nuovolnx: it's in theory enough if you connect to port 6697 instead of 6667
2021-09-05 17:53:47 <user____> with most clients
2021-09-05 17:55:48 <danieli> 6697 for TLS yes
2021-09-05 18:03:37 <nuovolnx> user____: thank you very match
2021-09-05 18:20:13 <user____> yw
2021-09-05 18:21:52 <eris[m]1> does anyone know either how to: get urxvt to not error with 'unable to calculate font width', or how to get xterm to recognise C-backspace as 'delete word'
2021-09-05 20:46:05 <endigma> is alpine practical for desktop use on a laptop for a programmer
2021-09-05 20:46:48 <endigma> im considering alpine/void/solus/fedora for a work laptop mainly programming in C, Rust and Go
2021-09-05 20:47:15 <heyitscassio> endigma: I've been using alpine in my laptop for a month now, it's pretty good. I came from gentoo
2021-09-05 20:47:25 <heyitscassio> it's simpler ans less complicated 
2021-09-05 20:47:40 <endigma> I'm aware that compiling stuff with glibc is a non-option without docker
2021-09-05 20:47:51 <danieli> endigma: it would depend on what software you develop, the languages and tooling mostly
2021-09-05 20:48:00 <endigma> i do literally everything in docker/droneci
2021-09-05 20:48:16 <heyitscassio> endigma: if you need to distribute binaries linked with glibc is not a good idea, otherwise it's fine for rust/c/go
2021-09-05 20:48:29 <endigma> is the general desktop support good?
2021-09-05 20:48:34 <danieli> stuff like vscode and spotify won't work since 1) electron doesn't play nice, and 2) many prebuilt binaries won't work
2021-09-05 20:48:50 <danieli> if you care to fiddle around a little to get X running with the right drivers, it's pretty neat as a workstation
2021-09-05 20:49:06 <heyitscassio> endigma: what do you mean by general desktop support? 
2021-09-05 20:49:29 <endigma> getting probably KDE or XFCE4 running with an IDE of some sort
2021-09-05 20:49:50 <endigma> im aware that vscode only works well with flatpak and thats not a big deal
2021-09-05 20:50:27 <heyitscassio> endigma: then it's fine i think, personaly I use just dwm and nvim, saw no roadblocks there
2021-09-05 20:50:50 <danieli> lately i've mostly been using emacs (and historically a lot of vim/neovim) and launching WMs directly after X startup, it's been unproblematic
2021-09-05 20:50:50 <heyitscassio> but KDE and XFCE are in the repos, so it should work
2021-09-05 20:51:30 <endigma> I might stick with void for similar minimalism w/ glibc ootb though
2021-09-05 20:51:38 <heyitscassio> It's pretty easy to setup x with the setup-xorg-base script too
2021-09-05 20:52:28 <heyitscassio> endigma: void is nice too, but the repos seem messy, I use it on my work computer, the glibc version, and from time to time i can install or update a package because is missing a checksum or something similar 
2021-09-05 20:52:59 <heyitscassio> other than that it's a really good distro 
2021-09-05 20:53:01 <endigma> I've never experienced any broken packages on void on my desktop, other than `nvidia`
2021-09-05 20:53:19 <endigma> and i don't think that's void's fault
2021-09-05 20:53:30 <endigma> they update to what nvidia calls stable and it crashes the gpu bios on suspend
2021-09-05 20:53:43 <heyitscassio> it's not broken per say, just missing a checksum, so xbps can't install the package 
2021-09-05 20:54:00 <endigma> im not sure how a package with no checksum made it onto the repos
2021-09-05 20:54:10 <endigma> they have CI runs on github that like lint everything to hell and back
2021-09-05 20:54:10 <heyitscassio> most of the time a sync resolves the issue 
2021-09-05 20:54:39 <heyitscassio> endigma: well, it happened 
2021-09-05 20:54:50 <endigma> regardless, thanks for input
2021-09-05 20:55:43 <heyitscassio> sorry, it's not a missing checksum, but missing signatures https://voidlinux.org/news/2021/07/signing-disruption.html
2021-09-05 20:56:03 <heyitscassio> but it's not a big deal, just telling my experience with it
2021-09-05 20:56:27 <eris[m]1> you dont need docker to compile glibc stuff
2021-09-05 20:56:34 <eris[m]1> you can cross compile 
2021-09-05 20:56:39 <eris[m]1> or you can just a chroot 
2021-09-05 20:57:51 <eris[m]1> hmm, im getting screen tearing even with a compositor enabled on my x11 
2021-09-05 20:58:04 <heyitscassio> eris[m]1: picom? 
2021-09-05 20:58:23 <endigma> eris[m]1: i just use docker anyway, so my workflow wouldn't be disturbed
2021-09-05 20:58:33 <eris[m]1> yes
2021-09-05 20:58:36 <eris[m]1> i was using picom 
2021-09-05 20:58:48 <eris[m]1> i get minor screentearing without picom and major screentearing with it 
2021-09-05 20:58:57 <eris[m]1> im using the kernel modesetting driver 
2021-09-05 20:59:01 <eris[m]1> and i have a 4k screen 
2021-09-05 20:59:04 <endigma> what graphics driver
2021-09-05 20:59:07 <heyitscassio> eris[m]1: try picom --experimental-backends --vsync
2021-09-05 20:59:13 <eris[m]1> OH 
2021-09-05 20:59:14 <eris[m]1> bsync
2021-09-05 20:59:16 <eris[m]1> vsync
2021-09-05 20:59:34 <eris[m]1> that is what i was missing
2021-09-05 20:59:35 <eris[m]1> gbless 
2021-09-05 20:59:47 <endigma> also ~/.config/picom/picom.conf
2021-09-05 20:59:55 <heyitscassio> you can put it into your config: vsync = true;
2021-09-05 21:00:18 <heyitscassio> but --experimental-backends you can't, for me it works better 
2021-09-05 21:01:18 <eris[m]1> eh, i prefer flags 
2021-09-05 21:01:23 <eris[m]1> i dont like to edit too many config files 
2021-09-05 21:01:35 <eris[m]1> urxvt's font display is rlly weird for me 
2021-09-05 21:06:00 <heyitscassio> eris[m]1: ever tried st? Works much better, at leas for me
2021-09-05 21:07:40 <eris[m]1> i have!
2021-09-05 21:07:41 <eris[m]1> i hated it 
2021-09-05 21:07:43 <eris[m]1> st is awful 
2021-09-05 21:08:02 <eris[m]1> i went through the whole deal 
2021-09-05 21:08:04 <eris[m]1> with patches
2021-09-05 21:08:05 <eris[m]1> build systems 
2021-09-05 21:08:15 <eris[m]1> configuring with the dumb config.h 
2021-09-05 21:08:26 <eris[m]1> and nothing actually worked for me 
2021-09-05 21:09:07 <eris[m]1> like sure
2021-09-05 21:09:09 <eris[m]1> i got a terminal
2021-09-05 21:09:10 <eris[m]1> that worked
2021-09-05 21:09:14 <eris[m]1> the scrolling behaviour was.. bad 
2021-09-05 21:09:25 <eris[m]1> the featureset 
2021-09-05 21:09:27 <eris[m]1> bleh 
2021-09-05 21:09:36 <eris[m]1> the patches? basically mutually incompatible 
2021-09-05 21:10:34 <heyitscassio> For me it works fine, i just really need the scrollback patch
2021-09-05 21:10:58 <heyitscassio> i think it has been a year since I messed with it, you only really need to configure it one time 
2021-09-05 21:11:24 <eris[m]1> i tried it 
2021-09-05 21:11:26 <eris[m]1> it didnt work 
2021-09-05 21:11:41 <eris[m]1> something like urxvt or xterm works much better
2021-09-05 21:11:46 <eris[m]1> other than this damned font spacing issue 
2021-09-05 21:12:30 <eris[m]1> or this bloody Ctrl-Backspace 
2021-09-05 21:14:55 <heyitscassio> st suports true color and has a better unicode support too, out of the box
2021-09-05 21:15:12 <heyitscassio> but fixing the scrolling it's really anoying 
2021-09-05 21:15:16 <eris[m]1> yes 
2021-09-05 21:15:34 <eris[m]1> the scrolling sucking hard is a bigger issue than unicode support 
2021-09-05 21:16:36 <heyitscassio> if you are intrested, this is my diff with some patches, just apply to 0.8.4 https://0x0.st/-wT9.diff
2021-09-05 21:18:38 <eris[m]1> not really
2021-09-05 21:18:41 <eris[m]1> sorry
2021-09-05 21:36:38 <veiviser> st is an apt acronym for what it is
2021-09-05 21:49:31 <AlexHunterCodes> Trying to figure out bugs in the installation process for data mode installs on Raspberry Pi, so I can get it working for my own use case, and so I can update the wiki. Anyone else had any luck?
2021-09-05 21:51:57 <AlexHunterCodes> End goal is a data mode installation with the apk cache, lbu backups, and /var are all on a 2nd partition on the internal disk. Figured out the right combination of workarounds to get apk and lbu working correctly, but can't get persistent rw /var to stick. Reboot the system and the whole thing goes back to diskless.
2021-09-05 21:56:33 <AlexHunterCodes> Have a feeling the problem is in mount order or initramfs /etc/fstab not picking up the changes during boot, but don't know how to troubleshoot that. Should I even be trying to store the apk cache and apkvols on the /var mount; or should I put /var on its own partition entirely?
2021-09-05 23:47:31 <AlexHunterCodes> Spent a few hours digging into mkinitfs and figured out what I was doing wrong. Now running into these issues:
2021-09-05 23:47:32 <AlexHunterCodes> https://gitlab.alpinelinux.org/alpine/mkinitfs/-/issues/5
2021-09-05 23:47:38 <AlexHunterCodes> https://gitlab.alpinelinux.org/alpine/aports/-/issues/7780
2021-09-05 23:51:20 <eris[m]1> does anyone have any clue on how to use the busybox acpid? 
2021-09-05 23:51:25 <eris[m]1> the alpine wiki page isn't very helpful 
2021-09-05 23:52:18 <eris[m]1> i want to get my laptop to run pm-suspend when the lid is closed 
2021-09-05 23:53:44 <AlexHunterCodes> Gonna be honest, the whole "data mode" installation path feels like it was hacked in and not really planned out. It only works in one very specific and undocumented configuration, and even then persistent /var is totally broken.
2021-09-05 23:54:17 <AlexHunterCodes> If it needs more work, it should be broken out into its own wiki page.
2021-09-05 23:54:49 <AlexHunterCodes> eris[m]1: You're probably better off with busybox's documentation for acpid
2021-09-05 23:55:33 <AlexHunterCodes> https://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/How_to_configure_acpid
2021-09-05 23:56:02 <eris[m]1> OH
2021-09-05 23:56:10 <eris[m]1> thats where busybox's docs have been this whole time?? 
2021-09-05 23:56:36 <eris[m]1> the alpine page on setting up ur laptop to suspend doens't work 
2021-09-05 23:56:37 <eris[m]1> lol 
2021-09-06 00:01:13 <eris[m]1> christ, this script is overly complicated 
2021-09-06 00:01:52 <veiviser> doesn't look that complicated to me
2021-09-06 00:02:14 <eris[m]1> compared to the system that was meant to work
2021-09-06 00:02:15 <eris[m]1> lol 
2021-09-06 00:03:52 <heyitscassio> eris[m]1: you can always simplifiy to your needs
2021-09-06 00:04:14 <AlexHunterCodes> Yeah, dunno if I'd want the hassle of setting up Alpine on my laptop. VMs, containers, and embedded devices are plenty.
2021-09-06 00:04:45 <eris[m]1> im almost done 
2021-09-06 00:04:51 <heyitscassio> well, works on my machine 
2021-09-06 00:04:51 <eris[m]1> just need to get it suspending on lid close 
2021-09-06 00:04:53 <AlexHunterCodes> That wiki isn't busybox's docs, it's just another site that references busybox acpi stuff
2021-09-06 00:04:58 <eris[m]1> ah
2021-09-06 00:05:39 <eris[m]1> interestingly
2021-09-06 00:05:43 <eris[m]1> this makes no mention of acpi.map 
2021-09-06 00:05:58 <eris[m]1> acpid is trying to do something with that file 
2021-09-06 00:06:12 <eris[m]1> https://wiki.alpinelinux.org/wiki/Busybox_acpid
2021-09-06 00:07:45 <AlexHunterCodes> I dunno, I've been messing around with alpine for a week and I've yet to get it working on bare metal as documented.
2021-09-06 00:09:18 <AlexHunterCodes> An ultra lightweight distro ideal for running edge services sounded perfect on paper, but in practice its a tough sell compared to something like Flatcar.
2021-09-06 00:09:57 <heyitscassio> AlexHunterCodes: what problems did you run into?
2021-09-06 00:11:16 <AlexHunterCodes> 1. setup-alpine can be provided an answer file, but it can't run headless on boot. You've got to log in locally or over SSH to run the command to process the file.
2021-09-06 00:11:26 <eris[m]1> what the heck is flatcar 
2021-09-06 00:11:34 <eris[m]1> also like 
2021-09-06 00:11:37 <eris[m]1> im typing this from alpine rn
2021-09-06 00:11:47 <AlexHunterCodes> 2. v3.14 added cloud-init support, but it's entirely undocumented
2021-09-06 00:12:56 <eris[m]1> i just used the install to disk 
2021-09-06 00:13:25 <eris[m]1> rather than the weird lbu thing 
2021-09-06 00:13:37 <eris[m]1> also, anyone know what the acpi.mapfile does? 
2021-09-06 00:13:52 <AlexHunterCodes> 3. Data mode installs have 3x FIXMEs referring to 5x different workarounds from 4 months ago, gotta figure out the right combination yourself, and even once you get it right it still can't remount /var
2021-09-06 00:14:05 <eris[m]1> like busybox acpid does not look like it has documentation 
2021-09-06 00:14:20 <eris[m]1> but something is going on with /etc/acpi.map
2021-09-06 00:15:20 <heyitscassio> I installed here with LUKS + LVM, disk mode  and secure boot, didn't find a single big problem 
2021-09-06 00:15:47 <heyitscassio> using diskless mode in a desktop machine or laptop is absurd 
2021-09-06 00:15:48 <AlexHunterCodes> 4. Raspberry Pi builds are provided, but the documentation is all over the place. Only install method that works is sys.
2021-09-06 00:16:23 <eris[m]1> i think you're meant to use sys lol 
2021-09-06 00:16:37 <eris[m]1> sys is the best config for a desktop/laptop, no? 
2021-09-06 00:17:26 <Porkyofthepine[m]> I can't seem to get xorg to work to 2 different thinkpads. The first used to work until I updated it maybe a week ago, and the other is fresh install. It looks like the error is it can't recognize the display and it might be a permissions problem but I've been trying to fix it for about an hour now with no success
2021-09-06 00:17:46 <eris[m]1> hmm 
2021-09-06 00:17:52 <eris[m]1> is your user in the video group?
2021-09-06 00:18:15 <Porkyofthepine[m]> i never put it in there so I'm gonna say no
2021-09-06 00:18:21 <heyitscassio> Porkyofthepine[m]: how did you setup x? My install is in a x230
2021-09-06 00:18:34 <eris[m]1> you should add 
2021-09-06 00:19:01 <heyitscassio> Porkyofthepine[m]: you have to add your user to the input and video groups, or use elogind
2021-09-06 00:19:17 <Porkyofthepine[m]> heyitscassio: I followed this step by step https://wiki.alpinelinux.org/wiki/Dwm
2021-09-06 00:19:24 <Porkyofthepine[m]> I'm adding it now
2021-09-06 00:20:02 <heyitscassio> I followed the same guide i think 
2021-09-06 00:20:33 <AlexHunterCodes> Yes, but I'm not running on a desktop/laptop. Alpine advertises itself as perfect for stateless systems that run from RAM (diskless/data mode) in cloud VMs or edge/embedded devices (routers, SBCs, etc.), which is *perfect* for my use case. Except those setups aren't documented or tested, everyone is focused on sys mode.
2021-09-06 00:21:38 <eris[m]1> with the /etc/acpi.map, acpi logs acpid: "button/lid LID/open 00000080 00000000": No such file or directory
2021-09-06 00:21:43 <eris[m]1> which is really interesting 
2021-09-06 00:21:49 <eris[m]1> because it's trying to do something 
2021-09-06 00:21:53 <heyitscassio> AlexHunterCodes: well, start by trying to solve a FIXME, everybody can contribute 
2021-09-06 00:21:53 <eris[m]1> but isn't figuring it out 
2021-09-06 00:23:47 <Porkyofthepine[m]> adding the user to wheel, input, and video fixed one error and created another XD but it's a step in the right direction! I'll report back if I get stuck again
2021-09-06 00:24:45 <heyitscassio> eris[m]1: probably it trying to run a script located at /etc/acpi/LID/00000080
2021-09-06 00:24:55 <AlexHunterCodes> Whoops, sorry for the whois there.
2021-09-06 00:25:04 <heyitscassio> at least here it seems to do that
2021-09-06 00:25:55 <AlexHunterCodes> heyitscassio: I would, but it looks like patches on the linked issues have sat there for 4 months, and one of them for over a year. It doesn't look like anyone is actually in charge.
2021-09-06 00:26:16 <Porkyofthepine[m]> i finally got it. It was the group problem and I was missing multiple video packages
2021-09-06 00:28:12 <eris[m]1> heycassio: yeam it doesn't seem like it 
2021-09-06 00:28:26 <eris[m]1> it's taking the last field of /etc/acpi.map and doing. something
2021-09-06 00:28:27 <eris[m]1> with it 
2021-09-06 00:33:12 <heyitscassio> eris[m]1: figured it out
2021-09-06 00:33:36 <AlexHunterCodes> I'd love to contribute back towards fixing these issues, but it's tough to get started when I can barely tell if the issues I'm having are bugs or me just being dumb.
2021-09-06 00:34:00 <eris[m]1> oh?
2021-09-06 00:34:20 <heyitscassio> make a script at /etc/acpi/LID/00000080/00000001 for the lid close action and the same path but 00000000 is the script that runs when you open the lid
2021-09-06 00:34:36 <eris[m]1> OJ
2021-09-06 00:34:37 <eris[m]1> YES
2021-09-06 00:34:40 <eris[m]1> bless
2021-09-06 00:34:46 <eris[m]1> do i need acpi.map?
2021-09-06 00:35:01 <AlexHunterCodes> Like, if I were to get involved, where do I start? IRC? Mailing lists? Gitlab/GitHub?
2021-09-06 00:35:04 <heyitscassio> nope, i think it comes by default
2021-09-06 00:35:13 <eris[m]1> alright!
2021-09-06 00:35:13 <heyitscassio> "The built-in map file contains only PWRB/PWRF (power button) and LID (lid close)."
2021-09-06 00:35:16 <trivalto> hi everyone, I was wondering if anyone can point me to the scripts in intramfs that do the luks drive decryption
2021-09-06 00:36:45 <AlexHunterCodes> trivalto: sec, I was just looking at that
2021-09-06 00:37:16 <trivalto> for me the /run/cryptsetup folder is empty... does that sound right ??
2021-09-06 00:37:56 <trivalto> also tried /etc/crypttab ... bu I get no password prompt
2021-09-06 00:38:14 <heyitscassio> trivalto: how its your kernel cmdline?
2021-09-06 00:39:00 <trivalto> it has the crytoroot=UUID  cryptdm and cryptkey options
2021-09-06 00:39:22 <heyitscassio> are you using a keyfile?
2021-09-06 00:39:31 <trivalto> yes I tried that
2021-09-06 00:39:33 <trivalto> no dice
2021-09-06 00:39:48 <heyitscassio> if not you can just use cryptdm=main for example, without a keyfile 
2021-09-06 00:39:57 <trivalto> but when in the emergency initramfs ... cryptsetup luksOpen /dev/sdx ..... --key-file works
2021-09-06 00:40:21 <heyitscassio> and you want to use a keyfile? 
2021-09-06 00:40:39 <trivalto> I would rather have the password prompt
2021-09-06 00:41:14 <heyitscassio> I had problems when I ommited the cryptdm opt
2021-09-06 00:41:25 <trivalto> I guess more importantly, I am considering using Alpine in some projects at work so getting a more detailed understanding of the decrypt process is important
2021-09-06 00:41:43 <heyitscassio> here i have set to 'cryptdm=main'
2021-09-06 00:41:51 <trivalto> is the process documented anywhere ??
2021-09-06 00:42:03 <trivalto> ok let me give that a quick gry
2021-09-06 00:42:09 <AlexHunterCodes> nvm, the thing I was looking at was just to add luks modules to the initfs.
2021-09-06 00:42:30 <heyitscassio> and cryptroot is set to the UID of the encrypted partition, not the root lv
2021-09-06 00:42:55 <trivalto> i already have the cryptdm parameter
2021-09-06 00:43:56 <heyitscassio> trivalto: look for cryptops in /usr/share/mkinitfs/initramfs-init
2021-09-06 00:44:37 <trivalto> ok
2021-09-06 00:44:42 <heyitscassio> things really are not greatly documented 
2021-09-06 00:45:07 <trivalto> fair enough
2021-09-06 00:45:13 <trivalto> thanks by the way for your help
2021-09-06 00:45:37 <trivalto> root
2021-09-06 00:46:29 <trivalto> cryptops no found
2021-09-06 00:47:02 <heyitscassio> the thing that got me is that cryptroot doesnt have to point to the root subvolume, but the encrypted drive or partition 
2021-09-06 00:47:49 <heyitscassio> trivalto: sorry, i missed a t its cryptopts
2021-09-06 00:48:16 <trivalto> no probs
2021-09-06 00:48:21 <trivalto> that is what I was looking at too
2021-09-06 00:48:31 <AlexHunterCodes> Yeah, same here
2021-09-06 00:48:38 <trivalto> but I did not see an explicit command that decrypts a drive involving cryptsetup
2021-09-06 00:49:15 <trivalto> those just look like options to a script that is supposed to find the crypt volume nlplug-findfs
2021-09-06 00:49:21 <trivalto> am I reading that right ??
2021-09-06 00:49:45 <heyitscassio> trivalto: that is in the nlplug-findfs source, i think 
2021-09-06 00:50:12 <AlexHunterCodes> Yeah, it's so it can pull an apkvol from a crypt volume, I don't think its so it can properly mount and boot from it.
2021-09-06 00:50:29 <heyitscassio> I think that the initfs just gets the params and gives to nlplug-finds
2021-09-06 00:50:55 <trivalto> does nlplug-findfs call cryptsetup ??
2021-09-06 00:51:28 <trivalto> to me it seems like it mounts the encrypted drive AFTER cryptsetup or something else has opened it
2021-09-06 00:51:40 <heyitscassio> trivalto: kinda, it uses the lib directly i think
2021-09-06 00:51:57 <heyitscassio> because the #include <libcryptsetup.h>
2021-09-06 00:52:02 <trivalto> then I should be able to do it manually
2021-09-06 00:52:11 <trivalto> have you tried to call it manually ??
2021-09-06 00:52:24 <trivalto> at least then we can narrow it down that the options are the culprit
2021-09-06 00:52:40 <heyitscassio> trivalto: when i didn't set the cryptdm correctly i was able to mount it manualy in a rescue shell
2021-09-06 00:53:10 <trivalto> what are you cmdline parameters ??
2021-09-06 00:53:15 <heyitscassio> if the initfs drops you into one, decrypt the drive and mount it into /sysroot or something like that
2021-09-06 00:53:28 <trivalto> yes, I can do that
2021-09-06 00:53:41 <trivalto> both manually and with the keyfile that has been dropped into the initramfs
2021-09-06 00:54:04 <trivalto> I am interested in how this all hangs together so I can troubleshoot it
2021-09-06 00:54:55 <heyitscassio> trivalto: here it is. I'm using something different now because of secure boot https://0x0.st/-wmM.sh
2021-09-06 00:55:05 <trivalto> thank you
2021-09-06 00:55:51 <trivalto> you are correct I am idiot and did not investigate nlplug-findfs 
2021-09-06 00:56:14 <trivalto> command switch -c ===== run cryptsetup luksOpen when CRYPTDEVICE is found
2021-09-06 00:57:24 <heyitscassio> trivalto: It's not your fault, mkinitfs it's pretty good, but it's on desperate need of documentation
2021-09-06 00:57:37 <trivalto> nlplug-findfs -c /dev/sda1 -m root_crypt -k /crypto_keyfile.bin works
2021-09-06 00:57:54 <trivalto> ok so now I know it's the options that are screwed 
2021-09-06 00:58:30 <trivalto> I am going to edit the init file and echo some variables out so I can see with what variables nlplug-findfs is run
2021-09-06 01:02:12 <trivalto> looks like the smarts in the init script is checking if cryptkey=yes in cmdline
2021-09-06 01:02:20 <trivalto> I am going to see if that is the problem
2021-09-06 01:08:37 <jeffreybenzos[m]> i've learned that it seems that opencl is in the amdgpupro driver
2021-09-06 01:08:40 <jeffreybenzos[m]> fuckin why, though
2021-09-06 01:08:48 <jeffreybenzos[m]> what about opencl is SECRETIVE and IMPORTANT TO KEEP THAT WAY
2021-09-06 01:15:49 <AlexHunterCodes> because APIs like cuda and opengl/opencl are just standards left for the gpu manufacturers to implement
2021-09-06 06:23:03 <trivalto> hi all... 
2021-09-06 06:23:33 <trivalto> if useful to anyone ... not declaring a cryptkey in kernel cmdline ... you get asked for the password.
2021-09-06 06:23:56 <trivalto> also I made a big mistake and used the UUID of the actual decrypted luks filesystem
2021-09-06 06:24:18 <trivalto> not the uuid of the partition that is labeled luks
2021-09-06 06:24:21 <caskd> trivalto: you also get asked if the key isn't able to unlock it
2021-09-06 06:24:26 <trivalto> now all working great 
2021-09-06 06:24:29 <trivalto> perfect thanks
2021-09-06 06:24:37 <trivalto> might be a useful addition to the wiki..
2021-09-06 06:24:53 <trivalto> maybe like a red disclaimer for dummies like  me who did not think through the UUID
2021-09-06 06:25:14 <caskd> it's a common mistake to make
2021-09-06 06:25:25 <trivalto> yeah, for rookies ...
2021-09-06 06:25:28 <trivalto> just kidding
2021-09-06 06:25:31 <caskd> you learn something when you do it
2021-09-06 06:25:34 <caskd> :D
2021-09-06 06:25:36 <trivalto> for sure thanks
2021-09-06 06:25:54 <trivalto> no also came back to say that this is a very friendly channel I will be back 
2021-09-06 06:26:51 <trivalto> it is all not part of a fully encrypted "including /boot" alpine template that I can use for many things ...
2021-09-06 06:27:00 <trivalto> *now part of a ...
2021-09-06 06:27:12 <caskd> do you use luks2 for /boot?
2021-09-06 06:27:35 <trivalto> yes
2021-09-06 06:27:44 <caskd> oh, so it works well i assume now
2021-09-06 06:27:46 <caskd> interesting
2021-09-06 06:27:53 <trivalto> yes
2021-09-06 06:27:55 <trivalto> very well
2021-09-06 06:28:01 <caskd> with btrfs and luks2 support on grub i might also give it a try
2021-09-06 06:28:36 <trivalto> yeah, it all starts with grub.... and grub supports both luks and btrfs
2021-09-06 06:28:52 <caskd> good to hear
2021-09-06 06:29:01 <caskd> luks2 was problematic some time ago
2021-09-06 06:29:11 <trivalto> so you should be good... also ... here is something that MIGHT help you
2021-09-06 06:29:25 <trivalto> if you format your disk MBR make sure the StartLBA is 2048
2021-09-06 06:29:30 <trivalto> that messed me up
2021-09-06 06:29:45 <trivalto> because the grub boot image was too big ... so it would not install to /dev/sda
2021-09-06 06:29:46 <caskd> oh yeah, to have space for stage 1
2021-09-06 06:29:52 <trivalto> yes
2021-09-06 06:29:56 <caskd> but i use gpt nowadays
2021-09-06 06:29:58 <trivalto> because you need a bit of modules
2021-09-06 06:30:01 <caskd> thanks anyways
2021-09-06 06:30:04 <trivalto> fair enough
2021-09-06 06:30:45 <trivalto> I plan to use this in a real coreboot machine too which I use with seabios ... so that is why I am using mbr
2021-09-06 06:31:16 <caskd> didn't coreboot allow flashing bootloader to rom?
2021-09-06 06:31:34 <trivalto> coreboot is THE BIOS
2021-09-06 06:31:37 <caskd> right
2021-09-06 06:31:42 <trivalto> no more proprietary bios
2021-09-06 06:32:00 <trivalto> and I do not want to use tianocore ... so I use seabios instead ... 
2021-09-06 06:32:12 <trivalto> smaller trusted base to begin with
2021-09-06 06:32:50 <trivalto> granted there is still firmware .... but after ripping out the ME from the cpu it is still the most secure base bar none
2021-09-06 12:08:32 <jeffreybenzos[m]> alexhuntercodes: yeah, but fuck everything about closed software
2021-09-06 12:54:03 <edsonwolf> Good Morning. My chrome doesn't sync, I click the configure sync button it asks for username and password but it doesn't sync. I click again on the sync this button to configure it again.
2021-09-06 12:54:16 <edsonwolf> Version 91.0.4472.164 (Developer Build) (64-bit)
2021-09-06 16:39:51 <holgersson> Hi, I've two questions:
2021-09-06 16:39:51 <holgersson> 2nd, AFAIK the arm packages are built inside qemu. Are the actual qemu flags somewhere documented? I'd like to use your experience to fasten up my own arm-build-VM (actually not for alpine right now, but who knows^^)
2021-09-06 16:39:51 <holgersson> 1st, is there a benefit from https://github.com/alpinelinux/awall over plain nftables?
2021-09-06 19:21:35 <tempnick_> is there an issue with the home page? last update shown is dated August 31.
2021-09-06 19:34:09 <minimal> tempnick: I've seen this happen in the past, if you click on the "Read More" link you'll see current info
2021-09-06 19:35:51 <tempnick_> ok, thanks.
2021-09-06 20:23:47 <yyp> Anyone else having this assertion failure in qemu-system-x86_64 on x86_64, edge? ERROR:../accel/accel-softmmu.c:82:accel_init_ops_interfaces: assertion failed: (ops != NULL)
2021-09-06 20:33:07 <minimal> yyp: sounds like something mentioned on here several days ago. An extra qemu (graphics related?) package needs to be installed from memory
2021-09-06 20:36:39 <yyp> `apk add qemu-modules` seems to fix it
2021-09-06 20:37:06 <minimal> yyp: was on 30th, yeah no indication of what specific subpackage was missing
2021-09-06 20:37:46 <yyp> qemu-accel-tcg-x86_64 maybe
2021-09-06 20:38:24 <yyp> Sounds like it could be by the assertion location
2021-09-06 20:39:03 <yyp> Yeah, that's the package
2021-09-06 20:39:12 <yyp> Also one of qemu-ui-* packages to get a GUI
2021-09-06 21:01:59 <danieli> holgersson: nftables imo obsoletes large parts of awall, so there's that
2021-09-06 21:02:49 <holgersson> danieli: OK, thanks
2021-09-06 21:03:27 <danieli> plus nftables is generic and not distro-specific so that's another star in my book
2021-09-06 21:03:49 <danieli> and there are full-fledged compability layers for e.g. iptables-nft
2021-09-06 21:11:43 <nescafe> Cogitri, hello
2021-09-06 21:23:09 <Guest6529> Hej 👋
2021-09-06 22:40:13 <danieli> Cogitri: hej, hur mår du? :)
2021-09-07 07:59:18 <PureTryOut> sircmpwn: can I pm you for something unrelated to Alpine? It's about Truecraft 😄
2021-09-07 07:59:29 <sircmpwn> I guess
2021-09-07 07:59:38 <sircmpwn> truecraft is dead and buried
2021-09-07 07:59:59 <PureTryOut> I know
2021-09-07 08:17:34 <groowy> hello, I'd like to ask if the 32 bit version of alpine linux is i586 compatible and how would one modify the install iso such that it would be possible to install only with serial
2021-09-07 08:25:00 <groowy> to add a little bit of context to my question I should probably tell you that I'm trying to install alpine linux on my barracuda f400 firewall which has a VIA Eden 500MHz CPU which is unfortunately only i586 compatible which prevented me from installing archlinux32 on it because it always halted just after successfuly loading the initframs presumably because it loaded an incompatible instruction
2021-09-07 08:35:29 <linearcannon> alpine for 32-bit x86 is built for i586
2021-09-07 08:35:56 <groowy> nice!
2021-09-07 08:37:07 <groowy> so now I just need to figure out how to modify the iso which has been my biggest struggle so far
2021-09-07 08:38:09 <linearcannon> the only thing you should need to change is the kernel boot parameters, adding "console=ttyS0"
2021-09-07 08:38:12 <groowy> I've tried everything from ISO Master to mkisofs but nothing gave me anything usable
2021-09-07 08:38:59 <linearcannon> if you're trying to extract, modify, then rebuild the official iso, mkisofs should work but you'll need specific parameters to allow it to be bootable
2021-09-07 08:39:43 <groowy> I know what to add and where to add it as I've read this very well written article (https://wiki.alpinelinux.org/wiki/Enable_Serial_Console_on_Boot) but I just don't know how
2021-09-07 08:42:23 <groowy> it seems like that whenever I run mkisofs it just doesn't work as it should because every filename gets capitalized and the files in syslinux don't look anywhere near to what I want
2021-09-07 08:46:25 <groowy> is there any method of building the iso which would be relatively easy without the need to install a lot of dependencies and would give me similar result to the iso that's available for download with the only difference being the ability to install it only with serial?
2021-09-07 08:48:53 <groowy> I'm really new to all of this so I have pretty much no idea as to how should I go about this
2021-09-07 08:50:21 <linearcannon> what options are you passing to mkisofs/xorriso
2021-09-07 08:52:58 <linearcannon> also, are you booting off a real cd drive, or a usb drive
2021-09-07 08:53:07 <groowy> USB
2021-09-07 08:53:50 <groowy> but the file system is write protected so I can't do it the easy way...
2021-09-07 08:54:34 <groowy> and yes, I've tried the usual tricks to get it to work
2021-09-07 08:54:50 <linearcannon> i'm not sure what you mean by "usual tricks" here
2021-09-07 08:55:57 <groowy> things like hdparm -r0
2021-09-07 08:56:24 <linearcannon> that would do nothing, as would trying to mount forced read-write. it is an ISO filesystem, those are inherently not writable
2021-09-07 08:56:41 <groowy> yeah, I know
2021-09-07 08:56:54 <linearcannon> the thing i would suggest, is that you try something like unetbootin, which will extract to a fat filesystem instead, which would then be modifiable
2021-09-07 08:57:18 <groowy> I've tried but I couldn't get it to boot
2021-09-07 08:57:19 <linearcannon> failing that, look at the script that actually builds the iso image in aports (scripts/mkimg.base.sh) to see how it does it
2021-09-07 08:57:44 <linearcannon> isohybrid images are kinda complicated to get working right, and that is what this is
2021-09-07 08:57:53 <groowy> I know
2021-09-07 08:59:31 <groowy> I'm also not sure if I could even build that 32 bit alpine linux iso with my 64 bit arch
2021-09-07 09:03:02 <linearcannon> if you have extracted the contents of the iso into the folder "alpine", then made your modifications and are trying to put it back together, then you should be using something like this to put it back together
2021-09-07 09:03:03 <linearcannon> https://paste.sr.ht/~ky0ko/48da305261fb58823ffd7fa81b356b186ff10e5a
2021-09-07 09:04:31 <groowy> have you tried if it works?
2021-09-07 09:08:24 <linearcannon> i just gave it a shot, and yes
2021-09-07 09:08:44 <linearcannon> https://i.imgur.com/C8rbtsf.png
2021-09-07 09:09:26 <linearcannon> in both iso and mbr mode
2021-09-07 09:09:31 <linearcannon> with exactly the command line i gave you
2021-09-07 09:09:53 <groowy> that would be amazing
2021-09-07 09:10:16 <groowy> I'll try it on the real thing and I'll let you know
2021-09-07 09:10:20 <groowy> thank you
2021-09-07 09:11:47 <linearcannon> can also confirm that if i edit syslinux.cfg beforehand, adding console=ttyS0 to the command line, qemu happily boots with a command line console
2021-09-07 09:12:13 <linearcannon> do note that the installed system will not retain that and you will have to chroot in after install and follow the instructions from the wiki page
2021-09-07 09:12:42 <linearcannon> well, maybe not chroot, but you get the point - you'll have to edit the config yourself after installing
2021-09-07 09:13:32 <linearcannon> i have to go to bed, good luck
2021-09-07 09:39:22 <groowy> it works!!!
2021-09-07 09:39:36 <groowy> I'm so happy
2021-09-07 09:40:10 <groowy> time to learn more about alpine linux :)
2021-09-07 09:47:39 <groowy> oh, that's a little awkward, it doesn't want to connect to network :|
2021-09-07 09:56:42 <groowy> for some reason the network interface is in unknown state
2021-09-07 09:57:20 <amk> Hello, I have a postgress database i'd like to upgrade to pg13 from 12, how is this done on alpine? I believe I need to have pg12 and 13 installed at the same time to do pg_upgrade
2021-09-07 10:00:05 <lopid> "apk upgrade" should do it, no?
2021-09-07 10:01:27 <amk> ah yeah i see, the apk upgrade gives me some instructions
2021-09-07 10:02:10 <lopid> https://git.alpinelinux.org/aports/tree/main/postgresql/postgresql.pre-upgrade?h=3.14-stable
2021-09-07 10:08:45 <groowy> is it normal that the standard installation iso doesn't automatically connect me to the network or is it a problem with drivers?
2021-09-07 10:09:56 <lopid> how far did it get?
2021-09-07 10:10:15 <groowy> all the network interfaces are down
2021-09-07 10:10:57 <groowy> the chipset is rtl8100c
2021-09-07 10:11:16 <lopid> i don't think it will connect until you configure it with setup-alpine, for example
2021-09-07 10:58:01 <frag> anyone got a terminal telegram application to work?
2021-09-07 12:09:18 <tmcm> hello.
2021-09-07 12:10:02 <tmcm> there seems to be a problem with the git web interface, e.g., https://git.alpinelinux.org/aports/commit/?id=b1954d06f581b89192fbbc5809a5810a350c2235
2021-09-07 12:10:15 <tmcm> 502 Bad Gateway
2021-09-07 13:05:15 <Erus_Iluvatar> hi there, I tried to use ether-wake from busybox but I get "Operation not permitted" as a user
2021-09-07 13:05:27 <Erus_Iluvatar> ether-wake works as root
2021-09-07 13:05:39 <Erus_Iluvatar> is this the intended behavior ? 
2021-09-07 13:06:39 <mercenary> One would assume so. To send WoL packets it needs raw sockets
2021-09-07 13:07:17 <Erus_Iluvatar> I can send the packet with netcat without root
2021-09-07 13:07:49 <Erus_Iluvatar> which is from busybox too
2021-09-07 13:09:00 <Erus_Iluvatar> that's why I was surprised
2021-09-07 13:09:26 <mercenary> iff you know the IP address to send to, and there is an arp entry for it
2021-09-07 13:10:22 <mercenary> some things will react to broadcast, some things want the packet to be addresses to the actual mac address
2021-09-07 13:11:11 <Erus_Iluvatar> I only tried with broadcast on both
2021-09-07 13:22:55 <mercenary> Guess it could try to be clever, and if it can use broadcast use a plain socket to send to the broadcast address of the interface, but busybox things in general are not very clever
2021-09-07 13:24:11 <Erus_Iluvatar> meh, i'll stick to my onliner of bash piped to netcat
2021-09-07 13:24:41 <Erus_Iluvatar> thanks for the insights
2021-09-07 14:14:27 <edsonwolf> I did not understand ( edsonwolf sets mode +i on edsonwolf )
2021-09-07 14:57:52 <lopid> edsonwolf: https://www.oftc.net/UserModes/
2021-09-07 15:15:26 <edsonwolf> by default users are set +i
2021-09-07 16:51:14 <xordspar0> edsonwolf: Are you using Chrome or Chromium? Chromium doesn't support syncing anymore: https://archlinux.org/news/chromium-losing-sync-support-in-early-march/
2021-09-07 17:09:40 <groowy> I've installed 32 bit version of alpine linux on a flash drive but everytime it just segfaults followed by kernel panic: https://imgur.com/a/Su0ekTm
2021-09-07 17:09:58 <groowy> do you have any idea what might be wrong with it?
2021-09-07 17:11:29 <groowy> the CPU is i586 compatible VIA Eden 500MHz model and all I've done to the installation is that I've modified the files mentioned in https://wiki.alpinelinux.org/wiki/Enable_Serial_Console_on_Boot to get a serial console output working
2021-09-07 17:16:21 <groowy> it seems rather strange because I've installed it on the same hardware and it worked just fine
2021-09-07 17:18:10 <groowy> also, the partition that it tries to mount exists which would suggest that the process responsible for locating it caused the first segfault
2021-09-07 17:19:22 <groowy> but that's unfortunately all that I can tell you about it
2021-09-07 17:55:25 <edsonwolf> xordspar0 thank you, google is always shutting down everything, it lives on free software and uses it wrongly.
2021-09-07 18:41:27 <groowy> I've never never been so let down this week
2021-09-07 18:43:56 <groowy> the installation iso of alpine linux just works fine but the installed os just segfaults just before or possibly even when it's just trying to mount the root filesystem on /sysroot :(
2021-09-07 18:44:47 <groowy> I'm just so disappointed and I have absolutely no idea what to do with this
2021-09-07 19:05:12 <invoked> low expectations/disappointment is my default, which makes it really nice when anything works, on a basic level.  but anyway, looks like you've got your UUID wrong or something
2021-09-07 19:13:51 <groowy> nope, the UUID is correct
2021-09-07 19:14:16 <groowy> I've checked that with lsblk on my machine
2021-09-08 00:59:52 <boxkiller123[m]> 
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2021-09-08 01:02:59 <invoked> ^ spam
2021-09-08 01:04:10 <groowy> alright, I've found out that the problem with that segfault was specific to that USB drive but now I have a different problem where I can't log into the system
2021-09-08 01:05:56 <groowy> when I type in the username and password and press enter it displays the password and asks me for it again after which the whole thing freezes for a while and than it resumes to this behaviour
2021-09-08 01:13:14 <groowy> oh, so that was caused just by bad inittab configuration
2021-09-08 01:13:28 <groowy> good to know
2021-09-08 01:14:15 <omegatron> what was the issue exactly?
2021-09-08 01:14:39 <omegatron> wrong path in a 'wait' action to switch the runlevel ?
2021-09-08 01:14:45 <nzm> I've had that issue before, but I had switched shells incorrectly, rather than it being an init script
2021-09-08 01:15:05 <nzm> not sure if I'm helping here :) I'm glad you fixed it though
2021-09-08 01:20:14 <groowy> the issue was that the getty was listening on the same console twice
2021-09-08 01:20:37 <omegatron> ah
2021-09-08 01:22:06 <groowy> my setup is pretty weird so I had to do some manual configuration which I'm pretty terrible at given that I've started with alpine linux just yesterday :D
2021-09-08 01:23:02 <groowy> but so far I'm quite enjoying the journey :)
2021-09-08 01:46:35 <groowy> https://imgur.com/a/vWB8KNx
2021-09-08 01:58:20 <nzm> ooh alpine on a Barracuda firewall, that's cool!
2021-09-08 03:51:25 <markokorhonen> nick back-2-95
2021-09-08 03:52:20 <back-2-95> Anyone know why git.alpinelinux.org is down?
2021-09-08 11:18:17 <edsonwolf> Good Morning. I updated to edge, and the off and suspend button is gone. Then I realized that there is a problem with polkit, when as root I see the error:
2021-09-08 11:18:19 <edsonwolf> https://pastebin.com/w7cqAmUr
2021-09-08 11:19:34 <edsonwolf> But it's much faster and using less memory, I even went back to using firefox. Very cool.
2021-09-08 11:20:44 <groowy> have you tried to locate those shared libraries to see if they are present in your system?
2021-09-08 11:21:06 <groowy> sometimes they can be present but just have a different filename
2021-09-08 13:40:59 <edsonwolf> groowy, They are not, if I understand cert they are installed by polkit, it is installed, I tried to reinstall but it removes my xfce and others, kkk
2021-09-08 20:18:51 <Silverwillow> hey all... can I just go from 3.10.x to 3.14.x by changing the repo's apk pulls packages from?
2021-09-08 20:42:52 <lopid> that's how one upgrades, but i don't know if it's ok to jump so many versions at once
2021-09-08 21:08:33 <f00860> hi
2021-09-08 21:10:12 <f00860> is there a good manual for awall? The AlpineLinux docs are rather "slim" and the wiki only contains the design document and a little HowTo. Did not find and manpage or other sophisticated documentation.
2021-09-08 21:11:23 <f00860> I struggle a lot with the effect awall makes on iptables in combination with docker. I got strange connection problems, a lot of duplicate rules etc. and I don't know how to deal with that
2021-09-08 21:12:06 <lopid> doesn't look like there is. there is https://gitlab.alpinelinux.org/alpine/awall
2021-09-08 21:13:21 <f00860> @lopid, thanks, that is a good start.
2021-09-08 21:13:33 <lopid> no twitter here
2021-09-08 21:14:24 <f00860> lopid, sorry, I used to use mastodon too much :P
2021-09-08 21:18:06 <f00860> may I ask you to take a quick look at my iptables chains? https://nopaste.net/12SA52mfXk
2021-09-08 21:18:42 <f00860> The input chain (and the others too) are filled with duplicated lines. Is this intended?
2021-09-09 01:14:01 <alimj> Hello. Mikrotik has announced Docker image support on their forthcoming RouterOS release. Delivering small packages such as RIPE Atlas or OONI soft probes on their platform could be nice. However this would require MIPSBE for their legacy devices (new ones are ARM based).
2021-09-09 01:15:22 <alimj> I wonder if Alpine would be a good candidate for such applications. Or should I look elsewhere.
2021-09-09 05:15:48 <nzm> alimj: hi, I'm not a member of any alpine linux team, but looking at the architectures listed on the packages website, I'm not seeing any mips big endian
2021-09-09 05:16:30 <nzm> mips64 appears to have packages, but an installer is not provided on the downloads section of alpine.org
2021-09-09 05:17:13 <nzm> that said it's excellent on arm!
2021-09-09 05:21:52 <linearcannon> i believe a decision was recently made to drop mips, as there have been difficulties with a large number of packages, as well as obtaining working builder hardware, particularly now that the architecture is effectively discontinued (MIPS the company is moving to risc-v henceforth)
2021-09-09 13:34:33 <knuxify> what's the deal with https://docs.alpinelinux.org? has it been abandoned, or is it just that noone stepped up to contribute?
2021-09-09 13:35:47 <knuxify> (perhaps it is being updated and i just don't know, the copyright date still says 2019 :p)
2021-09-09 13:36:59 <knuxify> also i can't find the source code for it anywhere :p
2021-09-09 13:38:12 <streampunk> knuxify: https://gitlab.alpinelinux.org/alpine/docs
2021-09-09 13:39:04 <nangel> knuxify: Its not abandoned.  Just going very slowly for a number of reasons.
2021-09-09 13:39:50 <knuxify> ah, alright. sorry if i worded this badly :p
2021-09-09 17:01:36 <edsonwolf> groovy, remove flatpak and run apk fix, he reinstalled poolkit and went back to hibernate
2021-09-09 18:17:14 <aminechikhaoui> Hello, I've just installed boost1.75-dev on alpine 3.14 and looking at ldd /usr/lib/libboost_iostreams.so I see a bunch of symbol not found errors which seems to be symbols from libstdc++
2021-09-09 18:17:26 <aminechikhaoui> any idea if I'm doing something wrong
2021-09-09 19:17:46 <lopid> is build-base installed?
2021-09-09 19:44:47 <aminechikhaoui> lopid no, no difference after I install it. Also I don't think that's the solution anyway, as that's what apk add boost1.75-dev should do if it wasn't installed ?
2021-09-09 19:45:21 <aminechikhaoui> it does seem like a bug to me, if I install patchelf and do patchelf --add-needed libstdc++.so /usr/lib/libboost_iostreams.so then ldd doesn't complain anymore
2021-09-09 19:45:38 <aminechikhaoui> but since I'm not very familiar with alpine I want to check first that I'm not doing anything wrong
2021-09-09 19:49:08 <lopid> sorry i can't help
2021-09-09 19:51:11 <omegatron> maybe a simple 'ldconfig' would help ?
2021-09-10 01:04:06 <computermouth> Howdy folks, I'm using the mkimage scripts here: https://wiki.alpinelinux.org/wiki/How_to_make_a_custom_ISO_image_with_mkimage
2021-09-10 01:04:48 <computermouth> Trying to make a customized image. Is there any more documentation beyond the wiki here? I'm looking for a way to drop in flat files, and ideally run some scripts in the chroot before xorriso makes the image
2021-09-10 01:10:09 <minimal> computermouth: does it have to be an ISO or is a disk image suitable?
2021-09-10 01:17:46 <computermouth> looking for an iso. The idea is to later have a userspace installer (calamares), with which to install to disk
2021-09-10 01:20:33 <minimal> ah ok, I have a script for building disk images
2021-09-10 01:21:20 <computermouth> dang, thanks anyways. I looks like I may need to extend the aports scripts as well as the abuild functions
2021-09-10 01:21:26 <computermouth> Just figured I'd ask before doing so
2021-09-10 01:30:18 <computermouth> oh wait, it looks like there's some rc_add's and file creation in the genapkovl-* scripts
2021-09-10 01:55:32 <friiq> computermouth: is alpine rolling
2021-09-10 01:56:39 <computermouth> friiq: I'm very very new to alpine. I'm a debian distro maintainer, trying out the alpine tools. But I believe it can be, if you target the 'edge' repositories vs 3.11, 3.12, etc
2021-09-10 01:57:00 <friiq> ok, thanks. i did use those repos
2021-09-10 01:57:08 <friiq> this is a great distro. thanks for working on debian, also.
2021-09-10 01:57:12 <computermouth> then I think you're good to go bud
2021-09-10 01:57:29 <friiq> doesn't alpine feel like bsd?
2021-09-10 01:57:40 <computermouth> Oh, I don't really work on debian, besides bug reports. I make crunchbangplusplus
2021-09-10 01:58:04 <computermouth> I've actually only used bsd a few times. I'm mostly just interested in the speed and lightness
2021-09-10 01:58:48 <friiq> cb++ is p. nice. you could easily port cb++ to alpine, i'm sure.
2021-09-10 02:00:24 <friiq> can't say that i have a distro, but i have a kit.
2021-09-10 02:00:36 <friiq> https://www.mercurial-scm.org/wiki/freq?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=301_Linux.tar.gz
2021-09-10 02:00:43 <friiq> works on everything that i've used.
2021-09-10 02:00:58 <computermouth> I've made an in-place copy of it, which is nice. But I'd like to share it with other people, and struggling a bit with the image creation
2021-09-10 02:02:00 <friiq> you're not far off, then :)
2021-09-10 02:02:44 <computermouth> getting there!
2021-09-10 03:50:36 <wefjjojv> hello, i was browsing the package contents of plan9port, and noticed that the plan9 directory is installed in /usr/lib. is this done to avoid messing with the PATH variable like the README of plan9port suggests?
2021-09-10 03:56:59 <maxice8> yes, plan9 has many tools that are named just like in unices but works differently, having  them be installed by default in PATH would cause to lots of scripts to fail in interesting ways
2021-09-10 03:57:26 <wefjjojv> yeah, i've noticed how it's an issue to use the rc shell
2021-09-10 03:57:49 <wefjjojv> thanks, that makes some sense
2021-09-10 04:09:41 <wefaefwb> so if plan9port is installed under /usr/lib, does this mean i have to add the plan9 bin directory to my PATH anyways if i want to use a program like sam or acme
2021-09-10 04:10:42 <psykose> yes
2021-09-10 04:12:05 <wefaefwb> thanks
2021-09-10 07:45:04 <LaydLis21F> 
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2021-09-10 07:50:33 <frag> out of curiousity, is cron essential? (also i can see it running in 'ps' output, but 'apk info|grep cron' didnt list it?)
2021-09-10 07:50:53 <frag> couldnt see cron actually running anything
2021-09-10 07:56:59 <psykose> the running crond is part of busybox pretty sure
2021-09-10 07:57:32 <clandmeter> correct, cron is from busybox
2021-09-10 07:58:12 <clandmeter> and its essential only if you define jobs
2021-09-10 07:58:54 <frag> hmm interesting
2021-09-10 07:59:10 <psykose> there are packages that add scripts into /etc/periodic, eg: https://pkgs.alpinelinux.org/contents?file=&path=%2Fetc%2Fperiodic%2F*&name=&branch=edge&arch=x86_64
2021-09-10 07:59:15 <psykose> but not many
2021-09-10 07:59:18 <clandmeter> you can safely remove the service from runlevel if you never want to use it.
2021-09-10 07:59:27 <psykose> and if you don't add your own jobs or use those (and want those jobs) you can disable it
2021-09-10 08:02:42 <frag> didnt know you could search for path like that :]
2021-09-10 08:02:57 <markand> :-)
2021-09-10 09:41:30 <frag> is cron (errors) logged anywhere?
2021-09-10 09:45:42 <lopid> not unless you create /etc/syslog.conf, iirc
2021-09-10 09:45:58 <lopid> or use MAILTO and redirection
2021-09-10 09:47:14 <lopid> and/or
2021-09-10 11:00:32 <groowy> is there any easy way of installing alpine without swap partition?
2021-09-10 11:00:43 <caskd> manual partitioning i guess
2021-09-10 11:02:48 <groowy> so partition the disk with setup-disk and than run setup-alpine?
2021-09-10 12:56:30 <edsonwolf> Good Morning. How do I place the volume icon on the xfce bar?
2021-09-10 13:03:53 <lopid> right click → panel → add new items
2021-09-10 14:33:13 <PureTryOut> Does Alpine Linux have some equivalent to systemd's coredumpctl?
2021-09-10 14:34:02 <lopid> which is…?
2021-09-10 14:42:02 <PureTryOut> https://www.freedesktop.org/software/systemd/man/coredumpctl.html
2021-09-10 14:57:09 <Wugutech> https://xcp-ng.org/forum/topic/4951/pci-passthrough-to-alpine-extended-vm-intel-ax200-wifi-card
2021-09-10 14:57:53 <Wugutech> Could anybody advice about issue I posted in above link?
2021-09-10 14:58:45 <Wugutech> [    3.993961] iwlwifi 0000:00:08.0: Failed to start RT ucode: -110 [    4.468298] iwlwifi 0000:00:08.0: Failed to run INIT ucode: -110
2021-09-10 14:59:19 <Wugutech> than you
2021-09-10 15:21:01 <edsonwolf> lopid. Yes, but it doesn't have the volume plugin, and it doesn't have to install
2021-09-10 15:21:53 <lopid> maybe you have to install one
2021-09-10 15:22:40 <edsonwolf> That's the problem, I don't think. Hahaha
2021-09-10 15:23:03 <lopid> hmm i don't immediately see one available…
2021-09-10 15:34:35 <errweas[m]> Hey there, has anyone here got terminal window blurring and opacity working on alpine? Picom gives errors on my end. Packages (that are unavailable in the repo) are possibly missing.
2021-09-10 15:36:26 <lopid> are you using a compositor?
2021-09-10 15:39:40 <errweas[m]> On Alpine I used Picom
2021-09-10 15:41:03 <errweas[m]> I'm not using Alpine as of now,  sinc I couldn't get window blurring nor opacity working.
2021-09-10 15:41:13 <lopid> heh
2021-09-10 15:41:18 <errweas[m]> * I'm not using Alpine as of now,  since I couldn't get window blurring nor opacity working.
2021-09-10 15:42:53 <errweas[m]> There were several issues, like I couldn't get pipewire to work and when I integrated my own Kernel, the Kernel would get thrown out by an updated 5.10 Kernel with mkinitfs where I have no clue how to disable that behavior.
2021-09-10 15:43:30 <lopid> sorry i can't help
2021-09-10 15:43:34 <errweas[m]> * There were several issues, like I couldn't get pipewire to work and when I integrated my own Kernel, the Kernel would get thrown out by an updated Kernel with mkinitfs where I have no clue how to disable that behavior.
2021-09-10 15:44:12 <lopid> …
2021-09-10 15:44:15 <errweas[m]> It's Ok, these problems are specific and window blurring and opacity aren't needed on a Server OS
2021-09-10 15:44:50 <errweas[m]> I use an ARM64 workstation, that's why I use a special Vendor Kernel with a special config :)
2021-09-10 15:45:51 <errweas[m]> my Mainboard is a "Server" in the sense that's it's ARM64 and  that it's really powerful.
2021-09-11 04:36:31 <Saijin_Naib[m]> Does anyone know of a better beginner guide for compiling your own kernel on Alpine than the one of the wiki? I keep getting stuck
2021-09-11 04:37:04 <Saijin_Naib[m]> I need to compile my own kernel/modules to get my touchpad supported. I've been trying to compile the upstream vanilla linux 5.14.2 kernel from kernel.org following guides online
2021-09-11 04:42:01 <Saijin_Naib[m]> I opened a draft MR on the Alpine GitLab for what I think should do it, but I can't test/deploy locally to be certain
2021-09-11 04:42:03 <Saijin_Naib[m]> https://gitlab.alpinelinux.org/alpine/aports/-/merge_requests/25016
2021-09-11 04:43:14 <psykose> i don't think you need to do more than have the build tools installed, copy the config, and run make
2021-09-11 04:43:20 <psykose> what error do you get
2021-09-11 04:43:55 <Saijin_Naib[m]> Well, the guide says to clone aports and then use abuild
2021-09-11 04:44:12 <Saijin_Naib[m]> If I change the config, it craps out on a hash check, I think
2021-09-11 04:44:32 <psykose> sha512sum the config file and update the hash
2021-09-11 04:44:41 <Saijin_Naib[m]> I have the vanilla upstream kernel compiled, but I can't get an initramfs for some reason
2021-09-11 04:45:14 <Saijin_Naib[m]> Can I like, mask or move the other config files so it doesn't build all of the other arches?
2021-09-11 04:45:30 <Saijin_Naib[m]> Does abuild take gcc options like the march=native stuff?
2021-09-11 04:45:35 <psykose> it only builds your arch pretty sure
2021-09-11 04:46:01 <psykose> you are working on this currently https://git.alpinelinux.org/aports/tree/main/linux-lts
2021-09-11 04:46:09 <psykose> inside the APKBUILD at the bottom there are a bunch of sha512sums
2021-09-11 04:46:17 <psykose> just update the ones for the files you change and abuild should work fine
2021-09-11 04:46:59 <psykose> getting one is as simple as `sha512sum config-lts.x86_64`
2021-09-11 04:47:13 <psykose> and for .x86, i see you changed both
2021-09-11 04:47:36 <Saijin_Naib[m]> Yeah, I thought that'd be best since someone might want to run 32bit on a similar platform with the SYNA3602 touchpad
2021-09-11 04:47:44 <Saijin_Naib[m]> I have no idea what I'm doing, to be honest
2021-09-11 04:47:53 <Saijin_Naib[m]> Just figured this was better than begging on the mailing list
2021-09-11 04:48:57 <psykose> once abuild works you should be able to install the built kernel package and the usual install process should generate the initramfs fine
2021-09-11 04:49:01 <psykose> then you can see if the touchpad works
2021-09-11 04:49:19 <Saijin_Naib[m]> Awesome. So git clone my branch, right?
2021-09-11 04:49:26 <Saijin_Naib[m]> Sorry for the beginner questions
2021-09-11 04:50:39 <psykose> just run `abuild` inside the directory with the APKBUILD
2021-09-11 04:50:56 <psykose> also, you can run `abuild checksum` for it to update the checksums itself
2021-09-11 04:51:06 <psykose> don't need to reclone anything
2021-09-11 04:52:28 <psykose> https://wiki.alpinelinux.org/wiki/Creating_an_Alpine_package#Build_the_package this page has more or less everything you would want
2021-09-11 04:52:56 <psykose> for the building/installing part
2021-09-11 04:53:42 <Saijin_Naib[m]> Awesome. Let me see what happens.
2021-09-11 04:53:47 <Saijin_Naib[m]> Thank you for taking the time to help me
2021-09-11 04:59:25 <Saijin_Naib[m]> I also was testing IWD, and I think the Alpine Kernel config is missing some of the required crypto/hash modules that IWD requires
2021-09-11 04:59:39 <Saijin_Naib[m]> That will be my next MR if I'm not wrong
2021-09-11 05:01:07 <Saijin_Naib[m]> https://iwd.wiki.kernel.org/gettingstarted
2021-09-11 05:02:49 <psykose> no, it has them all
2021-09-11 05:03:19 <psykose> it's missing something optional like des3_ede_x86_64 for more performance, but none of the required ones
2021-09-11 05:03:28 <Saijin_Naib[m]> What about ARC4?
2021-09-11 05:04:04 <psykose> it's enabled
2021-09-11 05:04:13 <Saijin_Naib[m]> I just grep'd the config for CONFIG_CRYPTO_ARC4 and nada
2021-09-11 05:04:17 <Saijin_Naib[m]> Huh. wtf
2021-09-11 05:04:19 <psykose> https://git.alpinelinux.org/aports/tree/main/linux-lts/config-lts.x86_64#n8772
2021-09-11 05:04:21 <Saijin_Naib[m]> I probably did it wrong
2021-09-11 05:04:46 <psykose> if iwd doesn't print an error on start, all is well
2021-09-11 05:04:51 <psykose> it's a startup check anyway
2021-09-11 05:05:37 <Saijin_Naib[m]> Yeah, nah, it runs fine under OpenRC. No errors I see there. It just won't actually associate to any networks. Followed the wiki
2021-09-11 05:05:46 <Saijin_Naib[m]> Really curious
2021-09-11 05:06:04 <Saijin_Naib[m]> Kill it, change networkmanager backend and start wpa_supplicant and no issues
2021-09-11 05:07:03 <Saijin_Naib[m]> I have fun issues on my install 🤣
2021-09-11 05:07:25 <Saijin_Naib[m]> Like GDM not re-invoking after DPMS or sleep/resume, and having to CTRL+ALT+F1 it to get my computer back
2021-09-11 05:07:34 <Saijin_Naib[m]> Me and like, one other person reported it
2021-09-11 05:07:53 <psykose> i would try iwd directly without nm and see if it works then
2021-09-11 05:08:15 <Saijin_Naib[m]> From the IWD terminal tools?
2021-09-11 05:08:25 <psykose> yes, iwctl
2021-09-11 05:08:36 <Saijin_Naib[m]> That's a good idea. I hadn't tried that since I'm using GNOME so it relies upon NetworkManager, but yeah.
2021-09-11 05:14:11 <Saijin_Naib[m]> Do you know if Alpine plans to migrate everyone to IWD like they're looking to do from sudo to doas?
2021-09-11 05:18:29 <psykose> i'm pretty sure they are not planning that
2021-09-11 05:43:15 <re-ptarmigan[m]> Hello, I've been having some trouble launching an lxc container in alpine-edge, is this a good place to ask about it?
2021-09-11 05:46:26 <psykose> what error do you get
2021-09-11 05:46:59 <re-ptarmigan[m]> Basically when I run # lxc launch images:debian/11 <containername> I get this error: Error: Failed preparing container for start: Failed to start device "eth0": Failed to create the veth interfaces veth6b2e7893 and vethc9a6764c: Failed to run: ip link add veth6b2e7893 type veth peer name vethc9a6764c: RTNETLINK answers: Not supported
2021-09-11 05:47:17 <re-ptarmigan[m]>  * Basically when I run # lxc launch images:debian/11 <containername> I get this error: <code>Error: Failed preparing container for start: Failed to start device "eth0": Failed to create the veth interfaces veth6b2e7893 and vethc9a6764c: Failed to run: ip link add veth6b2e7893 type veth peer name vethc9a6764c: RTNETLINK answers: Not supported</code>
2021-09-11 05:47:55 <re-ptarmigan[m]>  * Basically when I run # lxc launch images:debian/11 <containername> I get this error: `Error: Failed preparing container for start: Failed to start device "eth0": Failed to create the veth interfaces veth6b2e7893 and vethc9a6764c: Failed to run: ip link add veth6b2e7893 type veth peer name vethc9a6764c: RTNETLINK answers: Not supported`
2021-09-11 05:49:43 <psykose> did you follow the lxc guide on the wiki and the networking setup
2021-09-11 05:50:35 <re-ptarmigan[m]> I followed the lxd instructions off the wiki
2021-09-11 05:50:38 <Ariadne> heads up: openssl 3 is entering alpine edge.  this is probably going to result in some weirdness for a little bit.  thank you for your patience.
2021-09-11 05:51:45 <re-ptarmigan[m]> I am running this alpine inside a kvm if that could be limiting my veth-ability
2021-09-11 05:55:55 <re-ptarmigan[m]> I'm really digging my plasma desktop experience here, I hope edge doesn't cause too much bleeding ;-) 
2021-09-11 05:57:39 <re-ptarmigan[m]> I do have an lxdbr0 which magically appeared and isn't in /etc/networking/interfaces
2021-09-11 06:45:52 <re-ptarmigan[m]> my best guess is there's no veth module loaded in the kernel?
2021-09-11 10:40:08 <alandiwix>  libudev-zero hotplugging stopped working after latest update for me. I believe they implemented "fileless hotplug" and we now need a helper program to handle events. Do we have it compiled in repositories?
2021-09-11 12:43:19 <Saijin_Naib[m]> Ah no...
2021-09-11 12:43:19 <Saijin_Naib[m]> >>> ERROR: linux-lts: build failed
2021-09-11 12:43:19 <Saijin_Naib[m]> make: *** [/home/alpine/Sources/aports/main/linux-lts/src/linux-5.10/Makefile:185: __sub-make] Error 2
2021-09-11 12:49:40 <CyberTailor> any SIP phones I can get working on alpine linux?
2021-09-11 13:16:37 <eris[m]1> hmm, i can't seem to get multimc working 
2021-09-11 13:16:39 <eris[m]1> it errors with this: Exception in thread "main" java.lang.UnsupportedClassVersionError: net/minecraft/client/main/Main has been compiled by a more recent version of the Java Runtime (class file version 60.0), this version of the Java Runtime only recognizes class file versions up to 52.0
2021-09-11 13:17:53 <eris[m]1> Wait 
2021-09-11 13:17:55 <eris[m]1> never mind
2021-09-11 13:18:39 <hjaekel> eris[m]1 that error message translates to: you have java 8 installed, but you need java 16
2021-09-11 13:21:38 <Misthios> i think 11 will work aswell
2021-09-11 13:23:10 <eris[m]1> i had java 16 installed 
2021-09-11 13:23:15 <eris[m]1> it just was acting weird 
2021-09-11 13:33:09 <jeffreybenzos[m]> Daily "I want opencl" message
2021-09-11 13:34:47 <Naib> "patches welcome"
2021-09-11 13:47:01 <Saijin_Naib[m]> Cyber, as a host or a client?
2021-09-11 13:47:34 <Saijin_Naib[m]> We have linphone in APK, and flathub has some other softphone softwares
2021-09-11 13:47:45 <Naib> j
2021-09-11 13:48:08 <eris[m]1> j
2021-09-11 13:48:19 <eris[m]1> a pretty alright array language 
2021-09-11 13:48:29 <eris[m]1> has a bit too much going in though 
2021-09-11 13:48:39 <eris[m]1> can't describe it in a single text file 
2021-09-11 13:48:46 <eris[m]1> like K 
2021-09-11 13:54:13 <CyberTailor> Saijin_Naib[m]: that linphone 1) has no GUI 2) throws error
2021-09-11 13:54:27 <CyberTailor> i tried compiling it myself but got segfault
2021-09-11 13:54:49 <Saijin_Naib[m]> Ah... Is flatpak acceptable for you, then?
2021-09-11 13:55:34 <CyberTailor> tried jitsi  -  JRE segfault
2021-09-11 13:55:49 <CyberTailor> ekiga is abandoned
2021-09-11 13:56:01 <eris[m]1> jitsi has a web client that works well, no?
2021-09-11 13:56:22 <Saijin_Naib[m]> Yeah, Jitsi Meet, but AFAIK it isn't meant to work with other SIPs
2021-09-11 13:56:29 <CyberTailor> i'll try this https://flathub.org/apps/details/net.jami.Jami
2021-09-11 14:01:47 <jeffreybenzos[m]> Why the hell does AppImage not include its own libc
2021-09-11 14:01:54 <jeffreybenzos[m]> wtf is the point of static linking
2021-09-11 14:02:20 <eris[m]1> jeffreybenzos[m]: pretty sure that appimages do pack libcs? 
2021-09-11 14:02:26 <eris[m]1> its just that like 
2021-09-11 14:02:29 <eris[m]1> theyre dynamically linked 
2021-09-11 14:02:37 <eris[m]1> such that they can use libfuse 
2021-09-11 14:02:46 <eris[m]1> why they need to dynamically link against libfuse is unknown 
2021-09-11 14:02:50 <eris[m]1> considering fuse is an API 
2021-09-11 14:22:06 <jeffreybenzos[m]> then why the hell can't i run appimages on alpine
2021-09-11 14:22:23 <jeffreybenzos[m]> why are the search results and github issues full of "omg glibc omg appimage"
2021-09-11 14:22:44 <eris[m]1> jeffreybenzos[m]: because theyre dynamically linked
2021-09-11 14:23:03 <jeffreybenzos[m]> alright what the fuck are you talking about
2021-09-11 14:23:06 <eris[m]1> the bit of code that sets everything up needs glibc
2021-09-11 14:23:10 <jeffreybenzos[m]> they can't "pack libc" and dynamically link
2021-09-11 14:23:14 <friiq_> yeah
2021-09-11 14:23:16 <eris[m]1> they do
2021-09-11 14:23:18 <jeffreybenzos[m]> the libc is what's dynamically linked
2021-09-11 14:23:31 <jeffreybenzos[m]> i'm gonna kill your parents for talking like you can just elide nouns
2021-09-11 14:23:38 <friiq_> same
2021-09-11 14:23:43 <jeffreybenzos[m]> might as well stop typing, i'm leaving to your parent's house
2021-09-11 14:23:55 <friiq_> put my parents back in the freezer, jim
2021-09-11 14:23:56 <jeffreybenzos[m]> i fucking hate the internet
2021-09-11 14:24:05 <eris[m]1> the bit of code that sets everything up in the image is dynamically linked against glibc and fuse
2021-09-11 14:24:10 <friiq_> alpine p. nice amiright
2021-09-11 14:24:28 <eris[m]1> the application itself is occasionally linked with an included glibc
2021-09-11 14:24:44 <eris[m]1> the appimage format doesnt really make any guarantees
2021-09-11 14:25:47 <eris[m]1> the reason the bit of setup code is dynamically linked is because they want to link against the system version of libfuse
2021-09-11 14:26:08 <eris[m]1> comprende?
2021-09-11 14:26:11 <jeffreybenzos[m]> you could have been calling your parents to tell them how you really felt in their last moments and instead you rephrased without carrying the emotional component of the conversation along with it
2021-09-11 14:26:39 <jeffreybenzos[m]> it's not a "comprende;" the moment you said your bullshit i deciphered it on impact because it's extremely obvious what you should have said and therefore need to be punished for
2021-09-11 14:26:47 <eris[m]1> wow
2021-09-11 14:26:53 <eris[m]1> this is delightful
2021-09-11 14:26:53 <jeffreybenzos[m]> i will make eloquent readers out of every single last one of you fuckers
2021-09-11 14:27:08 <eris[m]1> do you mind if i get my popcorn
2021-09-11 14:27:11 <jeffreybenzos[m]> 
ACTION  < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/bUANDqpRhSMsgGuzEqZWJgHW/message.txt >

2021-09-11 14:27:25 <eris[m]1> ok
2021-09-11 14:27:53 <eris[m]1> its been a while since i met someone like this
2021-09-11 14:28:02 <eris[m]1> thought yall were a dying breed
2021-09-11 14:28:36 <jeffreybenzos[m]> meanwhile, the birthrate of people who simultaneously "hate racists" but glorify their image by adopting the stupidest fucking word in their lexicon is just skyrocketing
2021-09-11 14:28:56 <jeffreybenzos[m]> DAE yall yikes???
2021-09-11 14:29:09 <eris[m]1> the american south arent all racists, funnily enough
2021-09-11 14:29:11 <jeffreybenzos[m]> i have a website you might prefer
2021-09-11 14:29:19 <jeffreybenzos[m]> HAHAHAHA
2021-09-11 14:29:38 <jeffreybenzos[m]> continue validating your failed integration policy for an entire klan
2021-09-11 14:29:49 <eris[m]1> its a useful word when i need specifically plural you
2021-09-11 14:29:51 <jeffreybenzos[m]> your policy will surely never involve you adopting strictly antihuman language
2021-09-11 14:30:02 <eris[m]1> im sorry, i dont know what you're talking about
2021-09-11 14:30:11 <jeffreybenzos[m]> or you could use "you," as we did before you tried to bring the dipshit back into vogue
2021-09-11 14:30:30 <jeffreybenzos[m]> da rowoyal youwu
2021-09-11 14:30:54 <eris[m]1> you really arent making any sense
2021-09-11 14:31:20 <jeffreybenzos[m]> x3 i-i am...vewy...incluwusive...n-no thoughts =^_^= only fwee code fowo micwosowft...!!
2021-09-11 14:31:58 <jeffreybenzos[m]> please only continue this conversation after you've enrolled your primary rsa id with github, thx
2021-09-11 14:32:26 <eris[m]1> you seem to really dislike
2021-09-11 14:32:26 <eris[m]1> something
2021-09-11 14:32:35 <eris[m]1> but i cant tell what it is
2021-09-11 14:32:43 <jeffreybenzos[m]> calling yourself a thing isn't going to give yourself enough agency to fix yourself
2021-09-11 14:32:58 <eris[m]1> fix myself how
2021-09-11 14:33:05 <jeffreybenzos[m]> so i'll do it for you, one egregiously long e-therapy session at a time, just the same way your parents left you to stare into the black mirror
2021-09-11 14:33:12 <jeffreybenzos[m]> yes, beg me for the instructions to live your life
2021-09-11 14:33:21 <jeffreybenzos[m]> I WILL TEACH YOU, YOUNG BEHOLDER
2021-09-11 14:33:22 <eris[m]1> and what did i do to you to make you dislike me
2021-09-11 14:33:56 <eris[m]1> thirdly, this doesnt seem very alpine linux related
2021-09-11 14:34:03 <eris[m]1> have you considered #_oftc_#alpine-offtopic:matrix.org 
2021-09-11 14:34:04 <friiq_> i like alpine
2021-09-11 14:34:06 <jeffreybenzos[m]> like all matters of personhood, it's what you didn't do, but of course your entire personality can only become from engagement, from the positive delusion
2021-09-11 14:34:10 <friiq_> everything about it really
2021-09-11 14:34:13 <eris[m]1> friiq_: me too
2021-09-11 14:34:23 <eris[m]1> friiq_: less so
2021-09-11 14:34:24 <friiq_> arch is p. good too
2021-09-11 14:34:31 <jeffreybenzos[m]> i like the way alpine eventually makes hypocrites out of these wannabe macos refugees, friiq
2021-09-11 14:34:39 <friiq_> lawl
2021-09-11 14:34:44 <jeffreybenzos[m]> give the fuck up already and go microblog somewhere, eris
2021-09-11 14:34:58 <jeffreybenzos[m]> go tell your groupchat that you owned a libtard today
2021-09-11 14:34:58 <friiq_> lol he said micro
2021-09-11 14:35:03 <eris[m]1> whats a microblog
2021-09-11 14:35:10 <jeffreybenzos[m]> QED
2021-09-11 14:35:20 <eris[m]1> whats a libtard
2021-09-11 14:35:38 <friiq_> a library 
2021-09-11 14:35:40 <jeffreybenzos[m]> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pI-iJcC9JUc
2021-09-11 14:35:45 <friiq_> |>  "Septuagint" by "Obscura" on "Omnivium" <3
2021-09-11 14:35:50 <eris[m]1> oh cool
2021-09-11 14:36:01 <eris[m]1> what does it do
2021-09-11 14:36:09 <friiq_> it runs a tar daemon
2021-09-11 14:36:15 <eris[m]1> huh
2021-09-11 14:36:21 <eris[m]1> why do you need a tar daemon
2021-09-11 14:36:32 <eris[m]1> is it like what urxvt has going on
2021-09-11 14:36:32 <friiq_> to give you more abortion rights
2021-09-11 14:36:44 <eris[m]1> oh ok
2021-09-11 14:36:52 <friiq_> rights like "baby is ugly" or "baby probably likes guns"
2021-09-11 14:37:06 <eris[m]1> thank you, tape archive
2021-09-11 14:37:06 <friiq_> 
ACTION done

2021-09-11 14:37:33 <eris[m]1> ive always wanted a more abortion rights
2021-09-11 14:38:02 <friiq_> here, have one more: "baby definitely believes in a higher power"
2021-09-11 14:38:07 <friiq_> ABORT MISSION
2021-09-11 14:38:09 <jeffreybenzos[m]> you know, it's easier to tell when someone is the type of trans that locks themselves in a room all day not by them filling in every nook and cranny of e-identity with boring, typical "girl" kitsch, but by them being prescriptivists
2021-09-11 14:38:12 <friiq_> 
ACTION terminates

2021-09-11 14:38:53 <jeffreybenzos[m]> i presume this has to do with the fact that definition is a firm conflict point for them, as people constantly attack them based on the conceptual "definitions" of terms
2021-09-11 14:38:54 <eris[m]1> oh i know who kitsch is
2021-09-11 14:39:02 <friiq_> https://transfer.sh/y9GNUG/1stcarshow.png
2021-09-11 14:39:02 <eris[m]1> its the band right
2021-09-11 14:39:16 <eris[m]1> whos that looking through my window
2021-09-11 14:39:24 <eris[m]1> whos that standing on my lawn
2021-09-11 14:39:30 <eris[m]1> the band that made that song
2021-09-11 14:39:34 <jeffreybenzos[m]> which then becomes some sort of meaningless obsession for them: they pad their online speech constantly with prescriptivism and wordplay to wall off the wordplay that hurts them
2021-09-11 14:39:44 <eris[m]1> its a good song
2021-09-11 14:40:00 <jeffreybenzos[m]> because why would you obliterate gender when you can just erp as a rich kid
2021-09-11 14:40:15 <eris[m]1> whats an erp
2021-09-11 14:40:24 <friiq_> inverted pre
2021-09-11 14:40:28 <eris[m]1> oh ok
2021-09-11 14:40:33 <jeffreybenzos[m]> it's when you fucking suck at typing and would get demolished in a typerace against me
2021-09-11 14:40:43 <friiq_> ya
2021-09-11 14:40:47 <friiq_> and pee in 
2021-09-11 14:41:15 <eris[m]1> 
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2021-09-11 14:41:21 <eris[m]1> your story checks out
2021-09-11 14:41:36 <friiq_> interweb
2021-09-11 14:41:38 <jeffreybenzos[m]> seriously though, how did so much of the net become either utterly deluded autistic men with feminization kinks or utterly deluded autistic men with feminization kinks who outwardly present as truck owners
2021-09-11 14:41:47 <jeffreybenzos[m]> or was this just freenode all along
2021-09-11 14:41:55 <friiq_> hm
2021-09-11 14:42:04 <friiq_> i had sex with a woman 
2021-09-11 14:42:10 <friiq_> it was like 9 hours ago though
2021-09-11 14:42:15 <jeffreybenzos[m]> second camp confirmed
2021-09-11 14:42:18 <friiq_> i could have changed my ID
2021-09-11 14:42:33 <jeffreybenzos[m]> eris is the type of user to set up identd
2021-09-11 14:42:41 <friiq_> haha
2021-09-11 14:42:47 <friiq_> what a pitiful mess
2021-09-11 14:43:03 <eris[m]1> whats identd
2021-09-11 14:43:17 <friiq_> it's how you ID entrials
2021-09-11 14:43:19 <jeffreybenzos[m]> did your therapist really only give you the "play dumb" card for this
2021-09-11 14:43:21 <friiq_> runs as a daemon
2021-09-11 14:43:29 <eris[m]1> i dont have a therapist
2021-09-11 14:43:39 <friiq_> you're gonna need one after irc
2021-09-11 14:43:42 <jeffreybenzos[m]> isn't your generation the one where you all deckbuild your personalities from whatever you think is strong in the meta right now
2021-09-11 14:43:42 <eris[m]1> i geniunely dont know what identd is
2021-09-11 14:43:46 <jeffreybenzos[m]> but you can't do the same for coping mechanisms?
2021-09-11 14:43:56 <jeffreybenzos[m]> you do have a fucking therapist
2021-09-11 14:43:57 <jeffreybenzos[m]> you log into it to scroll every day
2021-09-11 14:44:04 <eris[m]1> oh cool
2021-09-11 14:44:12 <eris[m]1> i didnt know that thanks
2021-09-11 14:44:23 <eris[m]1> how much does it cost
2021-09-11 14:44:29 <jeffreybenzos[m]> this passive aggressive shield only hides your pissantery from the meek
2021-09-11 14:44:32 <friiq_> 12CPU Dual Core Intel Celeron N4000 (-MCP-) 12speed/min/max 961/800/2600 MHz 
2021-09-11 14:44:35 <friiq_> 12Kernel 5.10.63-0-lts x86_64 12Up 1d 23h 45m 12Mem 1213.7/3759.8 MiB (32.3%) 
2021-09-11 14:44:38 <friiq_> 12Storage 58.24 GiB (21.3% used) 12Procs 277 12Client Irssi 1.2.3 12inxi 3.3.04 
2021-09-11 14:44:44 <eris[m]1> i might be a bit behind on my bills
2021-09-11 14:44:54 <friiq_> steal more
2021-09-11 14:44:55 <eris[m]1> whats this, friiq_
2021-09-11 14:44:58 <jeffreybenzos[m]> how the fuck does a celeron n4000 not make Tcore equal to Earth's core at 2.6Ghz
2021-09-11 14:45:14 <friiq_> lawl
2021-09-11 14:45:27 <friiq_> same'n with jeffreybenzos[m] 
2021-09-11 14:45:35 <jeffreybenzos[m]> are those the ones that they put the atom architecture on with the modern feature size processes to compensate?
2021-09-11 14:45:42 <eris[m]1> and wow, thats not a whole lot of storage
2021-09-11 14:45:45 <friiq_> dunno, but it's plenty
2021-09-11 14:45:55 <jeffreybenzos[m]> YAGNI
2021-09-11 14:45:56 <eris[m]1> well it is
2021-09-11 14:45:59 <eris[m]1> but yknow
2021-09-11 14:46:04 <eris[m]1> relatively speaking
2021-09-11 14:46:04 <jeffreybenzos[m]> all storage is volatile in hell
2021-09-11 14:46:28 <eris[m]1> i have microsd cards bigger than that
2021-09-11 14:46:35 <friiq_> sm
2021-09-11 14:47:25 <jeffreybenzos[m]> eris is at stage 1 of e-cancer
2021-09-11 14:47:36 <jeffreybenzos[m]> soon will progress to "wasting wages on old solaris gear"
2021-09-11 14:47:42 <friiq_> lol
2021-09-11 14:47:43 <eris[m]1> the e stands for eris
2021-09-11 14:47:49 <friiq_> i know a guy who did. he died
2021-09-11 14:47:55 <jeffreybenzos[m]> and by stage 4, they'll have enough followers to add another dev to the burnout pool
2021-09-11 14:48:17 <jeffreybenzos[m]> the only appeal of solaris gear is that some of it runs the internet
2021-09-11 14:48:21 <eris[m]1> did the solaris gear kill him
2021-09-11 14:48:29 <friiq_> no he wrecked his car
2021-09-11 14:48:33 <jeffreybenzos[m]> get access on that, not on the shit rotting in someone's garage
2021-09-11 14:48:35 <eris[m]1> oh ok
2021-09-11 14:48:39 <eris[m]1> makes sense
2021-09-11 14:48:46 <jeffreybenzos[m]> did he try running over the solaris gear with his car
2021-09-11 14:48:53 <jeffreybenzos[m]> big mistake
2021-09-11 14:49:00 <friiq_> yes and it absolutely stood up and shot him
2021-09-11 14:49:04 <eris[m]1> solaris #1?
2021-09-11 14:50:56 <friiq_> i have a brand new ethernet cable in the package
2021-09-11 14:51:00 <friiq_> take that, covid
2021-09-11 14:52:54 <jeffreybenzos[m]> next, the world
2021-09-11 14:53:02 <friiq_> man
2021-09-11 14:53:05 <jeffreybenzos[m]> in a package marked "single-use"
2021-09-11 14:53:19 <friiq_> i should go get a hoagie
2021-09-11 14:53:30 <jeffreybenzos[m]> i should get a job
2021-09-11 14:53:38 <jeffreybenzos[m]> sike
2021-09-11 14:54:21 <friiq_> the head of my dick is cold
2021-09-11 14:57:49 <friiq_> |>  "Flammenrausch" by "Finsterforst" on "Rastlos" <3
2021-09-11 16:28:43 <bovis> How does Alpine handle aliases? Putting alias ls='ls -l' in .ashrc works if I source that file, but not after reboot/login.
2021-09-11 16:30:36 <Saijin_Naib[m]> I think they need to be .sh in the /etc/profile.d/
2021-09-11 16:31:17 <eris[m]1> so,
2021-09-11 16:31:32 <eris[m]1> `.ashrc` isn't something the shell sources 
2021-09-11 16:31:41 <eris[m]1> you need to set the `ENV` environment variable 
2021-09-11 16:31:47 <eris[m]1> to something like `.ashrc`
2021-09-11 16:31:54 <eris[m]1> in `/etc/profile`
2021-09-11 16:31:55 <eris[m]1> or somewhere
2021-09-11 16:35:01 <bovis> eris[m]1: Thank you
2021-09-11 16:50:47 <Naib> ash parses .profile as well
2021-09-11 16:51:11 <Naib> *IF* it is a login shell
2021-09-11 16:59:13 <eris[m]1> oh 
2021-09-11 16:59:16 <eris[m]1> forgot about that one 
2021-09-11 16:59:17 <eris[m]1> yea
2021-09-11 17:12:28 <caskd> has anyone had local cert issuer problems with openssl3 yet?
2021-09-11 17:13:10 <caskd> python3 throws errors around
2021-09-11 17:13:18 <caskd> and possibly irssi as well
2021-09-11 17:17:01 <Saijin_Naib[m]> Hmm, now that you mention it... Flatpak seems to Segmentation Fault when being issued a flatpak update after OpenSSL3 got updated... Or, just unfortunate timing
2021-09-11 17:17:23 <caskd> that is likely unrelated
2021-09-11 17:17:43 <caskd> looked through migration changes but i cannot find anything about cert storage or etc...
2021-09-11 17:18:28 <caskd> will look into it soon
2021-09-11 17:19:23 <Saijin_Naib[m]> Thanks and sorry for the mis-report
2021-09-11 17:20:21 <caskd> it also likely is a openssl3 problem, so i wouldn't call it a misreport :)
2021-09-11 17:23:21 <Saijin_Naib[m]> Is a major infrastructure change like that normally full of knock-on issues?
2021-09-11 17:23:44 <caskd> it can happen, especially if the change is of such scale like this one
2021-09-11 17:23:52 <caskd> no one can test all the possible issues
2021-09-11 18:33:58 <mpeter[m]> 
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2021-09-11 18:44:04 <minimal> mpeter: have you tried running it with the full path? /usr/bin/scmp_sys_resolver ?
2021-09-11 18:55:19 <mpeter[m]> 
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2021-09-11 18:55:21 <mpeter[m]> yes, this is the result:
2021-09-11 18:55:34 <mpeter[m]> (sorry, I expected the image to go after the text)
2021-09-11 18:56:23 <mpeter[m]> I tried to run this command in the alpine:latest docker container, started with `sudo docker run -it alpine`
2021-09-11 18:57:04 <mpeter[m]>  * I tried to run this command in the alpine:latest docker container, started with `sudo docker run -it alpine`
2021-09-11 18:57:04 <mpeter[m]> the container was downloaded at most an hour ago
2021-09-11 19:00:11 <minimal> you have mentioned both 3.13 and Edge. "latest" should be Edge. Are you sure the libseccomp package is actually installed in the Alpine container?
2021-09-11 19:01:52 <minimal> using "docker run" what does "apk info -e libseccomp" show?
2021-09-11 19:02:26 <mpeter[m]> it is not installed in the alpine:latest, but now I'll try it in the real container I try to fix
2021-09-11 19:04:23 <mpeter[m]> 
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2021-09-11 19:05:22 <mpeter[m]> also, why do you have the Matrix room so that members can only read the history from the point when they joined?
2021-09-11 19:06:49 <minimal> no idea, never used Matrix. Also I think you need to fix your client as most of your messages are not appearing here in IRC but rather as a link to the message, i.e. < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/GWhLWOAgSNFDTYZlgSwcMuQH/message.txt >
2021-09-11 19:07:09 <minimal> most people in the IRC channel here will not look at such links and so will not see your questions
2021-09-11 19:07:43 <mpeter[m]> hmm, interesting, I'll look into it. thank you!
2021-09-11 19:09:00 <friiq_> ya
2021-09-11 19:09:03 <friiq_> i'll look
2021-09-11 19:10:10 <mpeter[m]> did my messages get fixed? tried a cache delete and reload. I'm using the element web client, so if it didn't help I think I'll check with the bridge devs
2021-09-11 19:10:40 <mpeter[m]>  * did my messages get fixed? tried a cache delete and reload in the client itself. I'm using the element web client, so if it didn't help I think I'll check with the bridge devs
2021-09-11 19:11:18 <mpeter[m]>  * did my message get fixed? tried a cache delete and reload in the client itself. I'm using the element web client, so if it didn't help I think I'll check with the bridge devs
2021-09-11 20:01:23 <oomywtsr> I am sturggling with, what I think, should be a simple command. Adding a user to multiple groups at the same time
2021-09-11 20:04:30 <eris[m]1> mpeter: it's how the oftc and the libera and the freenode bridges work 
2021-09-11 20:04:32 <eris[m]1> thats just the default setting 
2021-09-11 20:09:17 <mpeter[m]> eris[m]1: oh, thank you.
2021-09-11 20:09:17 <mpeter[m]> would it be possible to change this setting?
2021-09-11 20:09:36 <eris[m]1> probably 
2021-09-11 20:09:38 <eris[m]1> im not a matrix admin 
2021-09-11 20:09:48 <eris[m]1> you'd probably have to ask whoever runs the oftc bridge 
2021-09-11 20:09:56 <eris[m]1> and an operator in this channel 
2021-09-11 20:09:58 <eris[m]1> i think?
2021-09-11 20:10:02 <mpeter[m]> eris[m]1: oh, sorry, didn't think about that :D
2021-09-11 20:10:06 <eris[m]1> haha 
2021-09-11 20:10:08 <eris[m]1> well i am 
2021-09-11 20:10:09 <eris[m]1> but not here
2021-09-11 20:10:11 <eris[m]1> ;) 
2021-09-11 20:16:27 <mpeter[m]> 
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2021-09-11 20:17:25 <mpeter[m]> or does it depend on the lib's maintainer for which alpine versions do they build the library?
2021-09-11 20:17:49 <mpeter[m]> because then I could just ask them if they could build it for 3.13 too
2021-09-11 20:30:29 <captainchris> Hey everybody 
2021-09-11 20:32:45 <friiq_> where is everybody
2021-09-11 20:32:49 <friiq_> saw them yesterday
2021-09-11 20:35:14 <captainchris> I try to build webkitgtk by source. I need to build libudev for geoclue but libudev need usbutils to build and usbutils need libudev
2021-09-12 00:47:13 <Saijin_Naib[m]> That sounds awful. How do you fix that circular dependency issue? I ran into the same thing trying to build lxde from source
2021-09-12 02:18:12 <Saijin_Naib[m]> Would the OpenSSL update be a possible reason for transmission-gtk to be segfaulting upon launch now?
2021-09-12 10:24:21 <frag> anyone using tg/telegram-cli? i get this error by just starting it, basically seem to make it useless: "> Assertion failed: 0 (tgl/structures.c: tglf_fetch_message_media_new: 944)"
2021-09-12 14:18:14 <ynrj[m]> Hello, what's the best way to get a list of manually installed packages excluding their dependencies? 
2021-09-12 14:19:24 <Naib> cat /etc/apk/world
2021-09-12 14:25:25 <ynrj[m]> Thank you Naib, and by date?
2021-09-12 14:31:05 <Naib> odd... there doesn't appear to be an install log
2021-09-12 14:31:22 <psykose> there isn't one
2021-09-12 14:42:01 <ynrj[m]> ok thank you
2021-09-12 16:44:11 <brown_fox> Hi there!
2021-09-12 16:52:59 <heyitsca1sio> hello, anyone managed to run appimages in alpine? Apparently there is just one missing symbol, "gnu_dev_makedev"
2021-09-12 16:53:41 <heyitsca1sio> there is any way to patch the binary to point to dev_makedev that musl implements? Maybe it would be enougth. Or implement gno_dev_makedev in gcompat
2021-09-12 16:54:00 <heyitsca1sio> but i'm not confortable with this type of stuff, so i need a place to start 
2021-09-12 17:12:39 <brown_fox> I have an orange-pi pc (armv7) with extracted alpine-uboot-3.14.1-armv7.tar.gz on it's sd-card. Once the power is on, i see initial messages echoing on my screen up to the time of "starting kernell ..." Then screen goes blank (with a 'no signal' message floating around). Obviously the system is running, because i can log in as a root and reboot or poweroff the soc without visual feedback. Is it 
2021-09-12 17:12:45 <brown_fox> some video driver issue?.. Could you please recommend something?
2021-09-12 17:17:12 <brown_fox> By the way, the soc is connected to the screen via hdmi.
2021-09-12 18:59:44 <mlu> what are the main differences between the Raspberry Pi version vs the generic ARM version?
2021-09-12 19:00:12 <ikke> it has a rpi kernel, with modules / firmware / patches for raspberry pis
2021-09-12 19:01:03 <mlu> guess like I'd have a "hardware hell" type situation if I used the generic ARM version on Raspberry Pi?
2021-09-12 19:02:14 <ikke> Yeah, you'd probably miss functionality
2021-09-12 19:02:16 <mlu> trying to decide if I should use the Raspberry Pi version with a Pi4 I have, or if I should use a generic ARM version with a Pine64
2021-09-12 19:02:43 <ikke> Though, recent kernels started to include things for rpi
2021-09-12 19:02:46 <ikke> not sure how complete though
2021-09-12 19:03:26 <mlu> hmm, I wonder what the development target is for generic ARM
2021-09-12 19:03:40 <mlu> AWS Graviton VMs?
2021-09-12 19:04:07 <ikke> We run aarch images on bare metal
2021-09-12 19:12:36 <mlu> hmm, one of those SolidRun Honeycomb machines or similar? a variety of SBCs?
2021-09-12 19:14:19 <ikke> server grade hardware, not SBCs
2021-09-12 19:14:28 <ikke> but it should work on many SBCs as well
2021-09-12 19:27:40 <mlu> mmm... Neoverse
2021-09-12 20:32:12 <xordspar0> heyitscassio: AppImages do not support running on Alpine yet. It's a work in progress: https://github.com/AppImage/AppImageKit/issues/1015
2021-09-12 23:21:38 <groowy> how hard is it to make a custom i686 Alpine ISO with custom linux kernel on 64 bit system?
2021-09-12 23:29:37 <groowy> it seems like there's no support for the S3 UniChrome Pro in the current i686 Alpine linux kernel
2021-09-13 01:02:46 <DumFella> Anyone know why I cannot find firefox in the apks?
2021-09-13 01:03:32 <DumFella> apk search firefox
2021-09-13 01:04:46 <DumFella> #/media/mmcblk0p1/apks
2021-09-13 01:04:46 <DumFella> #http://dl-cdn.alpinelinux.org/alpine/edge/main
2021-09-13 01:04:46 <DumFella> http://dl-cdn.alpinelinux.org/alpine/v3.14/community
2021-09-13 01:04:46 <DumFella> http://dl-cdn.alpinelinux.org/alpine/v3.14/main
2021-09-13 01:04:46 <DumFella> #http://dl-cdn.alpinelinux.org/alpine/edge/community
2021-09-13 01:04:46 <DumFella> #http://dl-cdn.alpinelinux.org/alpine/edge/testing
2021-09-13 01:04:57 <raven523> it's only in edge
2021-09-13 01:09:06 <DumFella> K will try that, thanks
2021-09-13 01:15:52 <DumFella> #/media/mmcblk0p1/apks
2021-09-13 01:15:52 <DumFella> http://dl-cdn.alpinelinux.org/alpine/edge/community
2021-09-13 01:15:52 <DumFella> http://dl-cdn.alpinelinux.org/alpine/edge/main
2021-09-13 01:15:52 <DumFella> http://dl-cdn.alpinelinux.org/alpine/v3.14/main
2021-09-13 01:15:52 <DumFella> http://dl-cdn.alpinelinux.org/alpine/v3.14/community
2021-09-13 01:15:54 <DumFella> #http://dl-cdn.alpinelinux.org/alpine/edge/testing
2021-09-13 01:16:10 <DumFella> apk update
2021-09-13 01:16:16 <raven523> you should not mix 3.14 and edge
2021-09-13 01:16:19 <DumFella> apk upgrade
2021-09-13 01:16:40 <DumFella> apk search firefox still nothing
2021-09-13 01:16:56 <DumFella> OK will disable
2021-09-13 01:19:07 <DumFella> faenza-icon-theme-firefox-1.3.1-r6
2021-09-13 01:19:29 <DumFella> That is the only package that shows up
2021-09-13 01:20:12 <DumFella> #/media/mmcblk0p1/apks
2021-09-13 01:20:12 <DumFella> #http://dl-cdn.alpinelinux.org/alpine/v3.14/main
2021-09-13 01:20:12 <DumFella> http://dl-cdn.alpinelinux.org/alpine/edge/main
2021-09-13 01:20:12 <DumFella> http://dl-cdn.alpinelinux.org/alpine/edge/community
2021-09-13 01:20:12 <DumFella> #http://dl-cdn.alpinelinux.org/alpine/v3.14/community
2021-09-13 01:20:14 <DumFella> #http://dl-cdn.alpinelinux.org/alpine/edge/testing
2021-09-13 01:20:40 <raven523> you do not need to keepo pasting that in here. just say what you changed
2021-09-13 01:21:01 <raven523> what architeture are you using? x86_64?
2021-09-13 01:21:16 <DumFella> No, it is on a raspberry pi
2021-09-13 01:22:02 <raven523> it appears to be in the community repo for the edge branch for armv7 and aarch64
2021-09-13 01:22:56 <raven523> it's  not in armhf
2021-09-13 01:23:16 <DumFella> I got the aarch64
2021-09-13 01:24:45 <DumFella> Linux pialpine 5.10.61-0-rpi2 #1-Alpine SMP Thu Aug 26 22:16:53 UTC 2021 armv7l Linux
2021-09-13 01:25:37 <raven523> I'm not sure how to verify which arch apk is using
2021-09-13 01:32:24 <DumFella> Maybe I am running the armhf?? I did download both... and thought I put on the aarch64
2021-09-13 01:33:16 <DumFella> But could be wrong
2021-09-13 01:55:19 <bjacob99> So, I'm very much a newbie. I've installed Alpine 3.14 and am trying to run KDE. It seems to be that I cannot both use `networking` (which I apparently need to connect) and `networkmanager` (which I apparently need to see connections through a GUI). Once I remove wlan0 from the appropriate networking file in order for networkmanager to be able to display wireless connections, I can't connect although I see all connections.
2021-09-13 01:55:56 <and> try to stop all other network daemons
2021-09-13 01:56:46 <and> udhcpc is what controls dhcp
2021-09-13 01:57:08 <and> sudo udhcpc -i wlan0
2021-09-13 01:57:50 <and> or
2021-09-13 01:57:52 <and> as root: wpa_passphrase SSID password > /etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant.conf
2021-09-13 01:57:55 <and> sudo wpa_supplicant -B -i wlan0 -c /etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant.conf
2021-09-13 01:57:58 <and> sudo udhcpc -i wlan0
2021-09-13 01:59:01 <and> ALSO
2021-09-13 01:59:03 <and> localhost:/etc/network$ cat interfaces
2021-09-13 01:59:03 <and> auto eth0
2021-09-13 01:59:03 <and> auto lo
2021-09-13 01:59:03 <and> iface lo inet loopback
2021-09-13 01:59:06 <and> iface eth0 inet dhcp
2021-09-13 01:59:08 <and> hostname localhost
2021-09-13 01:59:11 <and> auto wlan0
2021-09-13 01:59:13 <and> iface wlan0 inet dhcp
2021-09-13 01:59:16 <and> hostname localhost
2021-09-13 01:59:28 <and> of course, there are spaces for each
2021-09-13 01:59:42 <and> 
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2021-09-13 02:00:17 <bjacob99> Apparently, I need to remove auto wlan0 and all of that from /etc/network/interfaces in order for networkmanager to recognize wlan0, but doing so it what prevents my being able to ping/update/etc.
2021-09-13 02:00:40 <and> https://wiki.alpinelinux.org/wiki/Connecting_to_a_wireless_access_point
2021-09-13 02:00:58 <raven523> if you set networkmanager to start at boot and you make that connection available for all users then it should start automatically at boot
2021-09-13 02:01:00 <bjacob99> https://wiki.alpinelinux.org/wiki/NetworkManager
2021-09-13 02:01:16 <and> always remember to add butter
2021-09-13 02:02:19 <bjacob99> Actually, it doesn't say that there. I think I may have read that on a Debian page or some other one, as I was looking everywhere for reference.
2021-09-13 02:02:37 <and> butter is implied
2021-09-13 02:03:27 <bjacob99> I don't actively make the connection available for all users, but I'm trying to make it so that I can just see all available connections, click it, provide a password, and connect like a usual desktop environment.
2021-09-13 02:04:38 <bjacob99> Different distro, but this is what I read saying I can't have /etc/network/interfaces and /etc/NetworkManager/NetworkManager.conf use the same device: https://wiki.debian.org/NetworkManager
2021-09-13 02:04:49 <bjacob99> interface:*
2021-09-13 02:05:44 <bjacob99> But rereading it now, I notice a section for having wlan0 in both files... I'll try that now.
2021-09-13 02:09:18 <and> nature left us
2021-09-13 02:12:50 <bjacob99> `sudo wpa_supplicant -B -i wlan0 -c /etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant.conf` eventually lends to `nl80211: Could not set interface 'p2p-dev-wlan0' UP`
2021-09-13 02:49:29 <bjacob99> I can't seem to find which other networking daemons to stop besides `networking`, but by stopping that I can't ping or do anything.
2021-09-13 03:59:00 <smcavoy> bjacob99: if you have NetworkManager running make sure that is shutdown, and verify wpa_supplicant is not running (check with `ps`)
2021-09-13 04:41:16 <terror> Hi team, I have  silly question. What's the HDD requirement for a minimal installation of Alpine? I'm trying to get it to install on my NAS (with a 512 DOM) but that is definitely not working.
2021-09-13 04:44:28 <ikke> 512 DOM?
2021-09-13 04:46:12 <terror> 512MB Disk-On-Module
2021-09-13 04:47:25 <ikke> Most of the space is probably linux kernel modules and firmware
2021-09-13 04:49:33 <ikke> If you do not require any specific firmware, you could do apk add linux-firmware-none
2021-09-13 04:49:46 <terror> Any way to ask the installer to that step?
2021-09-13 04:49:57 <terror> As in the installation fails so can't even boot to it
2021-09-13 04:51:29 <ikke> You could try to do it prior to running the installer
2021-09-13 06:22:38 <lopid> i think i saw 30-40MiB when i dida bare installationin qemu
2021-09-13 11:00:33 <bitdefect> I often see "apk --update --no-cache" in Dockerfiles. Is "--update" not the same as "--update-cache"? 
2021-09-13 11:00:48 <bitdefect> In that case on "--no-cache" alone should be sufficient, right?
2021-09-13 11:11:17 <psykose> there is no --update, do you mean -U/--update-cache
2021-09-13 11:11:32 <psykose> in that case yes, just no-cache is all you would need i guess
2021-09-13 11:18:56 <bitdefect> https://github.com/gliderlabs/docker-alpine/pull/503
2021-09-13 11:19:06 <bitdefect> --update and --update-cache are the same
2021-09-13 11:19:50 <bitdefect> But I wonder why it is in so many Dockerfiles. I actually wonder if my understanding of the parameters is wrong. But from my understanding --no-cache alone should do the job.
2021-09-13 11:20:24 <ikke> probably cargo-culting
2021-09-13 11:21:01 <ikke> even --update is usually not necessary in docker images, as there are no indexes available, apk will always fetch the latest
2021-09-13 11:22:51 <minimal> yupe, as the linked PR comments indicate use "--no-cache" instead to avoid having indexes cached in the created container
2021-09-13 11:38:11 <bitdefect> Alright, last question: When I have multiple apk calls in one Dockerfile, I need "--no-cache" for all of them right?
2021-09-13 11:38:20 <bitdefect> Otherwise a cache would be created again?
2021-09-13 11:38:59 <psykose> yes
2021-09-13 11:39:26 <psykose> alternatively just pass nothing and delete it at the end
2021-09-13 11:39:39 <bitdefect> understood, thx a lot
2021-09-13 11:48:09 <minimal> psykose: if you don't use "--no-cache" and then delete the files at the end then the files will still be part of one of the layers of the resultant docker image (unless you "flatten" the image down to one layer)
2021-09-13 11:48:51 <psykose> highly unfortunate
2021-09-13 11:49:33 <ikke> minimal: unless you do it in a single step
2021-09-13 11:50:11 <ikke> apk add .. && .. && rm /var/cache/apk/*.tar.gz
2021-09-13 12:02:21 <minimal> ikke: true. It seems best to encourage "--no-cache" use however
2021-09-13 12:03:41 <ikke> minimal: yes, ofcourse
2021-09-13 12:06:55 <rapha> hi all
2021-09-13 12:06:59 <rapha> how do you set a different MAC address in /etc/network/interfaces? (can't find that at https://wiki.alpinelinux.org/wiki/Configure_Networking)
2021-09-13 12:09:45 <ikke> hwaddress
2021-09-13 12:10:06 <rapha> ah, no "ether" after it
2021-09-13 12:10:08 <rapha> thank you
2021-09-13 12:15:11 <rapha> ikke: also, is there a way to pause right after initrd, before openrc? there are some LVM warnings which i'd like to know if they're cause for concern, but they scroll by way too fast.
2021-09-13 12:16:56 <ikke> rapha: perhaps add init=/bin/sh to the kernel parameters?
2021-09-13 12:17:15 <ikke> although, that bypasses initramfs I guess
2021-09-13 12:24:06 <rapha> yeah, it would :-/
2021-09-13 12:24:26 <rapha> i was hoping for a parameter
2021-09-13 12:24:56 <ikke> There is none that I'm aware of
2021-09-13 12:24:57 <minimal> rapha: maybe pick the "recovery shell" option in Syslinux/Grub? that start a shell just before the switch_root (and therefore start of OpenRTC) - you can type "exit" in the shell to resume the boot
2021-09-13 12:25:08 <ikke> https://gitlab.alpinelinux.org/alpine/mkinitfs/-/blob/master/initramfs-init.in
2021-09-13 12:25:41 <ikke> minimal: heh, openrtc  :D
2021-09-13 12:25:49 <ikke> Using trains to control your system
2021-09-13 12:26:09 <ikke> Oh, that would be OpenTTD
2021-09-13 12:26:18 <minimal> fingers faster than my brain lol. For me rtc = hardware clock :-)
2021-09-13 12:26:40 <ikke> yeah
2021-09-13 12:27:02 <minimal> https://gitlab.alpinelinux.org/alpine/mkinitfs/-/blob/master/initramfs-init.in#L815
2021-09-13 12:27:45 <minimal> so the recovery shell occurs after the rootfs is mounted and so any LVM-related errors/warning should have appeared by then
2021-09-13 12:34:13 <rapha> minimal: it seems only grub has a rescovery shell option. syslinux (which this ended up being) doesn't. 
2021-09-13 12:34:28 <rapha> is that (the recovery shell) a regular command line option though?
2021-09-13 12:35:20 <minimal> rapha: from memory the bootloader typically passes "single" as an additional cmdline option for it
2021-09-13 12:36:00 <rapha> 
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2021-09-13 12:37:06 <minimal> rapha: ah, single mode is handled differently than "emergency shell" - its an earlier shell (before root mount)
2021-09-13 12:38:19 <minimal> the emergency shell only kicks in if the switch_root fails - bummer, no obvious way to get to emergency shell then
2021-09-13 12:39:17 <minimal> you could however go into single user mode and manually type the same command that initramfs-init would do to mount rootfs: https://gitlab.alpinelinux.org/alpine/mkinitfs/-/blob/master/initramfs-init.in#L507
2021-09-13 12:39:36 <minimal> then to should see the same LVM-related messages
2021-09-13 12:39:43 <minimal> unless its a timing-related issue
2021-09-13 12:41:08 <rapha> yeah
2021-09-13 12:41:25 <rapha> nevermind
2021-09-13 12:41:57 <rapha> another alpinized HP MicroServer in the world. and it *is* booting just fine. i'll just leave it be.
2021-09-13 12:42:48 <minimal> rapha: one of the older AMD (Neo?) based Microservers or newer (Intel from memory_ based ones?
2021-09-13 12:43:18 <rapha> <3-ing these little suckers. and if you have the dough lying around, you can fit up to 472TB into them nowadays.
2021-09-13 12:43:27 <rapha> minimal: the N40L ... still Neo based, yes.
2021-09-13 12:43:57 <minimal> ah, I have an N54L (Neo too) which I need to find the time to put Alpine on
2021-09-13 12:44:08 <rapha> do do so, it's a match made in heaven
2021-09-13 12:44:58 <minimal> plan is media server with mergerfs to "join" the disks
2021-09-13 12:47:25 <rapha> why not just one huge btrfs stripe then?
2021-09-13 12:47:30 <rapha> or at least an mdadm one?
2021-09-13 12:49:13 <rapha> (need some redundancy here, so it's a 4x6TB RAID5 in one of them and a 4x8TB RAID6 in the other one. that's the 3.5" slots. both boxes are awaiting PCIe SATA expansions and 4x2.5" SSDs or HDDs in their optical drive bays, and probably upgraded cooling fans to go with that.
2021-09-13 12:49:59 <rapha> and all the RAID is software-based. seeing no point in using the hardware-based RAID.
2021-09-13 12:50:13 <rapha> actually it's probably more harm than good.
2021-09-13 12:50:56 <minimal> rapha: for media files mergerfs makes more sense than any form of RAID (even concatentation) as the media is backed up elsewhere plus with mergerfs if you lose any disk(s) the mountpoint contains the files of the remaining disks
2021-09-13 12:51:50 <rapha> oh okay
2021-09-13 12:52:03 <rapha> good to remember
2021-09-13 12:52:48 <minimal> why not RAID6? RAID5 is not a good idea for modern large disks - due to the large size of the disks in relation to the disk-error-rate defined for the drives then statistically during a RAID rebuild there is a good chance of a drive error occurring...
2021-09-13 12:52:52 <rapha> sometimes have to store a couple TB of TIFFs somewhere while waiting for the HDDs of where they'll end up eventually to be delivered. sounds like a good use case for mergerfs then.
2021-09-13 12:53:15 <rapha> RAID5 because the 6TB drives are too small. one by one i'll switch them out for 8TB ones and then do a level switch to 6.
2021-09-13 12:53:47 <minimal> yeah merger is basically a FUSE-based overlay to make multiple disks look like a single filesystem
2021-09-13 12:55:21 <minimal> you'll still risk playing the rebuild lottery with RAID5 with 6TB disks - the bit-error-rate in drives has increased a lot slower over the years than the increase in drive capacities
2021-09-13 12:55:56 <rapha> they're all WD Gold and have an integrity layer underneath mdadm ... not tooooo worried
2021-09-13 12:55:59 <minimal> s/increased/reduced/
2021-09-13 12:58:49 <minimal> Gold is the new Red/Red Pro I guess lol
2021-09-13 13:00:00 <rapha> probably; i might have started with this stuff too late to still know.
2021-09-13 13:02:50 <minimal> Gold drives go up to 18TB...that's a lot of porn lol
2021-09-13 13:05:33 <rapha> or scans of old manuscripts...
2021-09-13 13:05:45 <rapha> need to order one of those 18TB drives today
2021-09-13 13:08:28 <minimal> even with a faster/better fan I'd guess the inside of the Microserver would get a bit toastie with several of those drives inside
2021-09-13 13:09:03 <rapha> btw as far as i'm currently aware, the best price-per-TB at the moment for the gold drives is from WD's own online shop for the 10TB one ... 29,80€ 
2021-09-13 13:10:46 <eris[m]1> gold drives?
2021-09-13 13:10:49 <minimal> rapha: that would be a price typo on their site?
2021-09-13 13:11:51 <rapha> minimal: that's per TB!
2021-09-13 13:12:11 <rapha> hmm ... all drives currently at 32-34°C. i think i'm happy with that.
2021-09-13 13:12:46 <bjacob99> @smcavoy, I need `networkmanager` to run for KDE, which will use either `wpa_supplicant` or `iwd` afaik. Disabling `networking` seems to prevent my doing anything online, but I'm not so sure how to connect to a new network through `plasma-nm` - I can only see them.
2021-09-13 13:29:40 <rapha> oh wow, WD specifies 5°C to 60°C operating temp for the GOLD series ... yeah, then 34°C is definitely alright
2021-09-13 13:30:18 <rapha> and while not running they're supposed to be able to tolerate 250G accel o_O
2021-09-13 19:59:33 <nangel> O_o --- 250G = 8826km/s^2
2021-09-13 20:00:12 <nangel> sorry... 8825km/h
2021-09-13 20:00:21 <nangel> still... 
2021-09-13 20:23:51 <edsonwolf> Good afternoon. Why is postgresql-bdr on version 9.4.14 ?
2021-09-13 20:36:00 <holgersson> nangel: g is AFAICS an acceleration, and about 9.81 m/s², so 250×g ≈ 2452,5 m/s² = 2,4525 km/s² = 31_784_400 km / h²
2021-09-13 20:38:30 <Naib> that is non-operational mind
2021-09-13 20:38:52 <Naib> and that is shock not continuous acceleration
2021-09-13 20:40:49 <holgersson> Good evening edsonwolf, had upstream newer releases? I actually don't find useful links on their website (not postgres, the bdr people).
2021-09-13 21:18:59 <nangel> edsonwolf: yeah, bdr went non-opensource/non-updates/no-upstream.... we should probably pull it from the repo
2021-09-13 21:19:48 <nangel> from operational experience, it did not work like it was advertised.
2021-09-13 21:21:17 <edsonwolf> holgersson, BDR is in version 2, but it's not open source. But I ask in postgresql, the opensource bdr is in 1.0.7, but I only see for postgreql 9.4.14, will it be a reason for a license, or something like that?
2021-09-13 21:31:50 <holgersson> edsonwolf: actually I not even heard of psql-bdr before, so I don't know that at all, but yes, that sounds like a license problem. In gentoo we would tree-clean it like nangel suggested.
2021-09-13 21:32:08 <holgersson> s/we/they, the mighty devs/ :-]
2021-09-13 21:32:58 <terror> IS there any way to tell setup-alpine to use linux-firmware-none instead of trying to install every firmware under the sun?
2021-09-13 21:36:09 <edsonwolf> holgersson, ok
2021-09-13 21:36:28 <terror> I know I can install linux-firmware-none after the installation finishes but that doesn't help when there's not enough space for the setup to complete in the first place.
2021-09-13 22:48:36 <terror> Been looking at setup-disk and wondering if adding linux-firmware-none to pkgs="$pkgs acct linux-$KERNEL_FLAVOR alpine-base $(select_bootloader_pkg)" will do what I want. Anyone know before I blow a working system?
2021-09-13 23:15:37 <scottf> Looking for a solution to install alpine on AMD EPYC 7662 with acpi ON. When booting from USB stick the system hangs after the menu selection for alpine. Was able to install using netboot but if acpi is on in the bios then the systems hangs at the time of kernal load. Anyone know about this issue. I really would like to be able to use Alpine with acpi on.
2021-09-13 23:16:44 <raven523> adid you try booting with nomodeset?
2021-09-13 23:22:04 <scottf> Not yet will try
2021-09-13 23:24:14 <scottf> Ok turns out we did try that with no luck.
2021-09-13 23:26:06 <scottf> We can use the same install on intel machines with no issues. This problem only happens on EPYC servers.
2021-09-13 23:29:06 <raven523> is there anything on screen that might explain why it's hanging?
2021-09-13 23:33:29 <scottf> No...you just see the Alpine boot menu before it stops and then a blank screen.
2021-09-14 00:48:24 <frequisha> does ~anyon~ -else ~have ~keyboard ~issues ~on~ ~alpine ~
2021-09-14 01:42:51 <minimal> scottf: have you tried removing the "quiet" cmdline option at the Bootloader screen as that will show more detail when kernel loads etc
2021-09-14 01:45:47 <minimal> scottf: also did you try linux-edge kernel rather than linux-lts as its newer and there could be some AMD-specific issue handled better by the newer kernel
2021-09-14 02:38:50 <bjacob99> Is anyone else unable to connect to networks through KDE's NetworkManager GUI?
2021-09-14 03:09:37 <smcavoy> bjacob99: I use network manager on a system, no kde though. /etc/init.d/networking  (afaik) uses ifdown-ng. So if you configure a network interface in  /etc/network/interfaces it will conflict with NetworkManager wanting to control all network interfaces. When using NetworkManager it is best to *not* configure wlan0/eth0/etc. in /etc/network/interfaces 
2021-09-14 03:12:16 <smcavoy> that said a regular user cannot configure networmanager, usually only view. You need to be a member of the group 'plugdev' in order to control networkmanager as a regular user (not root). So check if you are a member of plugdev: run `groups` as your regular user. If you are not a member of 'plugdev' add yourself `sudo adduser [username] plugdev`, after adding the user you will need to logout/login 
2021-09-14 03:12:22 <smcavoy> to get the new group assoicated with your account
2021-09-14 03:41:44 <bjacob99> Yeah, I made note to add myself to `plugdev`; however, removing `wlan0` from `/etc/init.d/networking` then prevents my being able to actually connect to a network, despite its being recognized by NetworkManager. 
2021-09-14 04:10:22 <smcavoy> I forgot to mention wpa_supplicant should be running (`sudo rc-update add wpa_supplicant`). So that means, wlan0 is not in /etc/network/interfaces. NetworkManager and wpa_supplicant are running.  /etc/init.d/networking is runing (as wlan0 is not configured in /etc/network/interfaces this is OK). and with your user being added to 'plugdev' NetworkManager should work.. 
2021-09-14 04:11:57 <smcavoy> you can also run the the text interface to NetworkManager via `sudo nmtui`, running it with sudo means you will be able to view/connect to WiFi networks even if your user is not a member of plugdev, but of course needs to be able to run sudo
2021-09-14 07:44:34 <gjabell> I am still using whirlpool hash on my luks volume and it can't be unlocked during boot due to the openssl3 rebuild; I have already seen https://gitlab.alpinelinux.org/alpine/aports/-/issues/13004 and tried adding /usr/lib/ossl-modules/legacy.so to my initramfs with a mkinitramfs feature but I still run into the same issue. Anyone know if I am missing a step?
2021-09-14 11:19:00 <jeffreybenzos[m]> What's the process for mounting devices and then accessing them as a local user? Do I have to go through fstab?
2021-09-14 11:21:17 <psykose> fstab is just running mount for you at boot time, so first you figure out the mount options
2021-09-14 11:22:34 <psykose> adding an entry into fstab with the user option lets a non-root user execute the mount after (for removable disks or somesuch, not using some other manager for them)
2021-09-14 11:22:42 <psykose> as for permissions on the mount it's filesystem dependent
2021-09-14 11:25:36 <psykose> for fat or something you can set uid=,gid= i think, but it won't work for ext4 or the like that store actual permissions, so you would need to make sure the files on the drive are already owned by your uid
2021-09-14 11:26:36 <jeffreybenzos[m]> Actually, is the modern linux way to just use the device mapper for all of this anyway? 
2021-09-14 11:26:57 <jeffreybenzos[m]> This reminds me of when I was thinking I was cool for learning ifconfig and other utils when I was like 14 that had been deprecated for 20 years
2021-09-14 11:27:26 <psykose> not sure how the device mapper is related
2021-09-14 11:28:30 <jeffreybenzos[m]> isn't that what's used by most desktop environments for automount stuff? i'm looking at the wiki for device mapper and realizing it's already around because I use cryptsetup for my veracrypt volumes
2021-09-14 11:30:23 <psykose> if it's a disk you're not plugging/unplugging all you want is an fstab entry
2021-09-14 11:30:29 <jeffreybenzos[m]> the reason i brought it up is because i could probably write a lookup script to search for new devices and then ask if i want to mount them with set options instead of going through the process every time
2021-09-14 11:30:57 <jeffreybenzos[m]> nah, i'm asking specifically because i, on a regular basis, am just reefing on the usb ports with how many devices i'm mounting through them
2021-09-14 11:31:26 <jeffreybenzos[m]> data recovery, sharing videos and games, burning linux isos etc etc etc
2021-09-14 11:31:50 <psykose> i believe most automount things use udev
2021-09-14 11:32:04 <jeffreybenzos[m]> why's udev necessary there?
2021-09-14 11:32:13 <jeffreybenzos[m]> i'm pretty sure i've got it installed anyway, but i've been wondering what the point is
2021-09-14 11:32:30 <jeffreybenzos[m]> nevermind, i see, i see
2021-09-14 11:32:52 <psykose> and autofs probably does what you want with some config
2021-09-14 11:35:16 <Ariadne> later today, we will begin opportunistic rebuilds of packages that can be rebuilt against openssl 3 in edge/community.  this may result in some packages temporarily becoming uninstallable as the rebuild process proceeds.  thanks in advance for your patience.
2021-09-14 11:35:49 <jeffreybenzos[m]> sounds like i need to not habitually upgrade for a bit
2021-09-14 11:44:40 <bjacob99> smcavoy, I'm sure that I had `wpa_supplicant` running and had run that specific command, but still no dice. I'll try that again, but should I use `rc-update` to add it to `default` or `boot`?
2021-09-14 11:53:03 <psykose> default
2021-09-14 11:53:33 <jeffreybenzos[m]> a helpful user previously told me about iwd; i got rid of wpa_supplicant on my installs and was much happier
2021-09-14 11:57:09 <bjacob99> I definitely tried using `iwd` and to no avail.
2021-09-14 11:57:19 <edsonwolf> Good morning. I installed postgresql-bdr and it does not come with psql. You need to install some package, I couldn't find it.
2021-09-14 11:57:49 <bjacob99> If I'm adding both `wpa_supplicant` or `iwd` and also `networkmanager` to `default`, does the order in which they're added matter?
2021-09-14 11:58:17 <psykose> edsonwolf: postgresql-bdr-client?
2021-09-14 11:58:40 <psykose> bjacob99: nope
2021-09-14 12:00:01 <edsonwolf> psykose, thanks, I installed several less this. Kkk
2021-09-14 12:06:56 <bjacob99> Well, just tried adding my guide to pastebin to share here, but that won't work. I'll see if adding `iwd` to `default` will help. I'm sure I've done that before, but idr and I've since hopped to another distro for a bit.
2021-09-14 12:07:03 <bjacob99> psykose: thanks
2021-09-14 12:22:22 <jeffreybenzos[m]> bjacob99: What's the whole setup, if you're still around? I'm just curious.
2021-09-14 12:23:27 <bjacob99> My actual device or the packages I'm installing?
2021-09-14 12:24:06 <bjacob99> Former is an XPS 13 from last year. Latter, I'm trying to find out how to share that.
2021-09-14 12:26:27 <jeffreybenzos[m]> If you want to share EVERY package you have on the system, apk info dumps it all for you. If you're looking for a place, you can send a text file to termbin: nc termbin.com 9999 < yourfile
2021-09-14 12:26:52 <jeffreybenzos[m]> If it's not a file, and the output of a script, you can pipe the script's output to the nc bit and omit the "< yourfile" bit.
2021-09-14 12:26:59 <jeffreybenzos[m]> brb, mashed potatoes
2021-09-14 12:31:46 <bjacob99> Just tried that but somewhere along the way I lost my ability to connect, which is the main issue I abandoned this, lol.
2021-09-14 12:31:50 <bjacob99> One sec.
2021-09-14 12:33:30 <bjacob99> psykose: I noticed that `wpa_supplicant` is already added to `boot`; I reckon I don't need to shift it from there to `default`. 
2021-09-14 12:33:48 <psykose> i don't think it should be boot
2021-09-14 12:34:11 <psykose> but it doesn't matter in the end
2021-09-14 12:34:40 <bjacob99> I only manually added it to `default` but see that it was listed in both.
2021-09-14 12:38:13 <bjacob99> jeffreybenzos[m]:
2021-09-14 12:38:13 <bjacob99> apk info: http://termbin.com/q29o
2021-09-14 12:38:13 <bjacob99> setup steps: http://termbin.com/ajzi4 
2021-09-14 12:38:57 <bjacob99> For the latter, if it matters, I'm using dhcp for wlan0. Also, on this latest run I didn't actually install `iwd`.
2021-09-14 12:40:30 <bjacob99> Also also, I had removed `wlan0` from /etc/networking/interfaces which led to my issue at 8:31
2021-09-14 12:45:51 <jeffreybenzos[m]> Interesting. Are you trying to do anything particularly strange with your machine, or are you just trying to get networking working?
2021-09-14 12:46:52 <bjacob99> I just want to browse the web on my Alpine-KDE laptop, lol.
2021-09-14 12:47:04 <jeffreybenzos[m]> lmao
2021-09-14 12:47:24 <bjacob99> I messed with this all over the weekend and feel like I've learned quite a bit, so I'm pleased, but I just wish it would work.
2021-09-14 12:47:43 <jeffreybenzos[m]> I'm really surprised, as I don't get why this is misbehaving. Maybe it's because I do everything over cli anyway for iwd stuff; I never fucked with networkmanager because it seems like ass
2021-09-14 12:48:10 <bjacob99> What's odd though is that, having tried going to Adelie Linux, the live boot couldn't get `wpa_supplicant` working.
2021-09-14 12:48:29 <bjacob99> However, using KDE on other distros (GeckoLinux, in particular) isn't a problem.
2021-09-14 12:48:33 <jeffreybenzos[m]> is this xps really recent or something? does the card work in other live disks?
2021-09-14 12:48:35 <jeffreybenzos[m]> oh, interesting
2021-09-14 12:48:42 <bjacob99> Yeah, last year's model.
2021-09-14 12:49:10 <jeffreybenzos[m]> maaan, I hope it's not a hardware situation with some random driver thing
2021-09-14 12:49:18 <jeffreybenzos[m]> I wonder if you could try something else that uses musl, like void linux
2021-09-14 12:49:41 <jeffreybenzos[m]> just the live disk, just to see if it's something like that
2021-09-14 12:49:42 <bjacob99> I think there might be a hardware issue somewhere, but maybe I'm being pessimistic.
2021-09-14 12:49:44 <psykose> i'd try linux-edge just in case
2021-09-14 12:49:55 <bjacob99> Void is what I had installed last night and internet on that works.
2021-09-14 12:49:58 <jeffreybenzos[m]> that's a good point, too
2021-09-14 12:50:02 <bjacob99> There was some other issue though.
2021-09-14 12:50:10 <jeffreybenzos[m]> the difference between void and alpine is the lts kernel
2021-09-14 12:50:12 <jeffreybenzos[m]> iirc
2021-09-14 12:50:23 <noneofyourbusiness> a couple more
2021-09-14 12:50:25 <bjacob99> I made my non-root user and assigned it to the proper groups and it wouldn't let me login to the DE.
2021-09-14 12:50:45 <jeffreybenzos[m]> Really? Hmm.
2021-09-14 12:50:57 <noneofyourbusiness> try from the linux tty
2021-09-14 12:51:17 <noneofyourbusiness> or you know, a different display manager
2021-09-14 12:51:35 <noneofyourbusiness> easy to disable the afaik default sddm
2021-09-14 12:52:23 <bjacob99> I thought sddm was generally preferred over gdm.
2021-09-14 12:54:33 <Naib> depends
2021-09-14 12:54:40 <Naib> lightdm might be the prefered option
2021-09-14 12:54:55 <bjacob99> I'm still very much a noob: can I use any dm with any DE?
2021-09-14 12:55:05 <Naib> prefered implies some critera to compare against
2021-09-14 12:55:12 <Naib> yes
2021-09-14 12:55:32 <Naib> I use to use lightdm going straight into openbox, then into just awesomewm
2021-09-14 12:55:48 <Naib> these days its greetd into sway
2021-09-14 12:56:33 <bjacob99> What criteria do you use to say that lightdm might be preferred?
2021-09-14 12:56:56 <psykose> the preferred one is the one that works
2021-09-14 13:00:41 <noneofyourbusiness> tbsm 😅
2021-09-14 13:00:47 <jeffreybenzos[m]> i'm glad to see people like bjacob99 who are still new and interested; new blood is always nice
2021-09-14 13:00:52 <noneofyourbusiness> yes
2021-09-14 13:00:57 <noneofyourbusiness> gl gtg
2021-09-14 13:01:05 <jeffreybenzos[m]> though i'm curious; why'd you pick stuff like alpine instead of the modern xps stuff like fedora?
2021-09-14 13:01:18 <bjacob99> Ciao
2021-09-14 13:01:20 <psykose> some people just don't like wearing fedoras
2021-09-14 13:01:21 <jeffreybenzos[m]> or ubuntu, or debian stable, etc
2021-09-14 13:01:28 <jeffreybenzos[m]> aye, likewise
2021-09-14 13:01:36 <bjacob99> Lol, well, I can't really use Alpine so I'm not sure if I'm new blood any longer.
2021-09-14 13:01:46 <bjacob99> Eh, I wanted a challenge.
2021-09-14 13:02:04 <jeffreybenzos[m]> i think psykose is right; the newer kernel might have better support
2021-09-14 13:02:15 <bjacob99> Besides, musl seems interesting and I'd ilke a challenge, even if I might not ever benefit from it.
2021-09-14 13:02:24 <jeffreybenzos[m]> but if you want a real challenge, and you're on that newer xps, you could move over to gentoo
2021-09-14 13:02:59 <bjacob99> And my rationale was: if I learn Alpine then I can be better suited for using Docker at work and contributing to postmarketOS, which is something I would love to know how to do.
2021-09-14 13:03:07 <jeffreybenzos[m]> i agree with the desire to learn; that's why i moved to alpine, as well
2021-09-14 13:03:25 <jeffreybenzos[m]> unfortunately, the people who are really deeply knowledgeable seem to be busy doing other things; the people here who helped me on my way aren't as active anymore
2021-09-14 13:03:33 <jeffreybenzos[m]> ah, interesting, so the alpine start is there
2021-09-14 13:03:34 <jeffreybenzos[m]> well
2021-09-14 13:04:01 <bjacob99> I was considering Gentoo but went with Void late last night and it's just too easy.
2021-09-14 13:04:11 <jeffreybenzos[m]> you could always just have some ubuntu/popos/fedora/babylinux shell around an alpine guest
2021-09-14 13:04:35 <bjacob99> That won't help with the NetworkManager problem though, I reckon.
2021-09-14 13:04:55 <jeffreybenzos[m]> you wouldn't need nm in that case, because you'd be using eth0
2021-09-14 13:06:31 <bjacob99> So Ubuntu/etc. would be setup normally and using wlan0 and the Alpine guest has some virtual bridge?
2021-09-14 13:07:04 <bjacob99> I mean, I think XFCE worked as I wanted, I just didn't like it that much. I might try that again.
2021-09-14 13:08:07 <jeffreybenzos[m]> Right, that'd be some way to at least put you in the mood for virtualization woes, loller
2021-09-14 13:08:31 <jeffreybenzos[m]> Though in that case I'd go with something like gentoo anyway just for even more tribulation
2021-09-14 13:09:01 <jeffreybenzos[m]> It's interesting that you want the challenge but also want XFCE; once I started using bspwm and polybar I haven't really wanted to go back
2021-09-14 13:09:14 <psykose> gentoo is 94% fighting with portage
2021-09-14 13:09:34 <jeffreybenzos[m]> You've gotta let portage invade your mind
2021-09-14 13:09:45 <jeffreybenzos[m]> it's like a horse
2021-09-14 13:09:46 <psykose> maybe it has and is typing this message out of masochism
2021-09-14 13:09:54 <jeffreybenzos[m]> lmao
2021-09-14 13:10:02 <jeffreybenzos[m]> it only fights if you fight back
2021-09-14 13:30:08 <bjacob99> It was partly the challenge to learn more about things, but still wanted the opportunity for ease down the line. I've never heard of bspwm and polybar, so I'll look into those.
2021-09-14 13:30:59 <bjacob99> But brb morning bagel.
2021-09-14 13:32:03 <Naib> tbf bjacob99 I picked lightdm as it had "dm" in its name
2021-09-14 14:06:46 <bjacob99> Is there an EDM option?
2021-09-14 14:07:05 <psykose> emacs display manager
2021-09-14 14:40:11 <lopid> electronic dance music
2021-09-14 14:43:14 <minimal> lopid: how many BPM (bits per minute)? ;-)
2021-09-14 14:48:30 <artok> last night I played 115-124bpm
2021-09-14 15:01:50 <artok> ..and with stream of 2304000 bits per second
2021-09-14 15:03:22 <danieli> b9600 cs8
2021-09-14 16:10:38 <ColdIce> Good evening folks, I'm wondering how I can make OpenRC service spawn as the last service after boot? Many thanks!
2021-09-14 16:11:11 <ikke> after *
2021-09-14 16:11:39 <ikke> the 'local' service does the same, I'm not sure what the order between them would be if you have both
2021-09-14 16:12:19 <ColdIce> Appreciate the quick answer, will do some testing :)
2021-09-14 16:16:40 <frequarium> ;5~;5~;5~;5~;5~;5~;5~;5~;5~;5~;5~;5~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
2021-09-14 16:16:47 <frequarium> so, ~my ~keyboard ~is ~broken
2021-09-14 16:16:51 <frequarium> lawl
2021-09-14 16:40:53 <freqk> wen
2021-09-14 17:44:06 <ColdIce> Amazing, after * in openrc makes it boot last! Thanks
2021-09-14 19:41:38 <heyitscassio> hello, after a update sbsign from the sbsigntool package starts to segfault when signing a efi image, anyone experiencing that?
2021-09-14 19:42:37 <psykose> probably another openssl issue
2021-09-14 19:49:33 <heyitscassio> indeed, it's linked against libcrypto.so.3
2021-09-14 19:51:35 <heyitscassio> any way i can downgrade untill it's all ok?
2021-09-14 19:51:45 <ikke> heyitscassio: are you using edge?
2021-09-14 19:52:20 <heyitscassio> yes i am
2021-09-14 19:52:51 <ikke> You could downgrade to 3.14 if that works for you
2021-09-14 19:54:47 <heyitscassio> ikke: how can i go about doing that?
2021-09-14 19:57:19 <psykose> change repositories in /etc/apk/repositories to 3.14 from edge, upgrade -Ua
2021-09-14 19:57:31 <psykose> but you might run into an issue or two as it's not always possible
2021-09-14 19:58:19 <psykose> also testing is only edge, so if you have packages from there they can't be downgraded and you may have some worse conflicts
2021-09-14 20:06:56 <heyitscassio> oh ok, thanks
2021-09-14 20:08:44 <heyitscassio> and just a heads up, this will break the kernel instalation if you are using the secureboot-hook. It installs the modules, removing the old one, tries to sign the kernel and fails. The original kernel is there, but the modules are not
2021-09-14 20:10:17 <heyitscassio> so the system will bot unable to load modules, as a workaround I renamed the diretory under /lib/modules to reflect the old kernel version
2021-09-14 20:10:28 <ikke> not sure if that's going to work
2021-09-14 20:11:50 <heyitscassio> ikke: it worked but it's not a solution, just did that so i can at least have internet 
2021-09-14 20:13:24 <heyitscassio> now I will just disable the signing in /etc/kernel-hooks.d/secureboot.conf for now
2021-09-14 20:22:28 <psykose> openssl rendering systems unbootable is quite funny
2021-09-14 20:46:57 <smcavoy> bjacob99: any luck with NetworkManager?
2021-09-14 20:54:19 <heyitscassio> psykose: it is lol, mine was almost unbootable, It booted but I could not load modules 
2021-09-14 22:58:15 <scottf> Looking for a solution to install Alpine on dual AMD EPYC 7662 with a LSI 3008 sas card. When booting from USB we get a message that the USB is uable to mount. When we remove the LSI card it boot up just fine. Anyone know if there is a work around for this issue other than using another card. We have 40 of these servers and would like to be able to use Alpine.
2021-09-14 23:33:37 <danieli> it doesn't quite make sense to me that a SAS card would prevent USB ports from working, are there any relevant messages in the boot log?
2021-09-15 03:08:55 <Saijin_Naib[m]> Can anyone help review my MR?
2021-09-15 03:08:55 <Saijin_Naib[m]> https://gitlab.alpinelinux.org/alpine/aports/-/merge_requests/25016
2021-09-15 03:09:50 <Saijin_Naib[m]> I've been fighting with this SYNA3602 touchpad since I bought this laptop a montho ago and finally got it figured out. Took me way longer than it should have to learn to compile the kernel from source, haha
2021-09-15 03:13:04 <freqk_> sounds like a normal learning curve
2021-09-15 03:13:11 <freqk_> depending on your sources
2021-09-15 03:15:44 <bjacob99> smcavoy: None.
2021-09-15 03:16:25 <bjacob99> Someone said it may be a kernel issue since my laptop is a 2020 model and apparently Alpine's is old-ish.
2021-09-15 03:17:01 <Saijin_Naib[m]> Mostly the Alpine documentation, a touch from Arch Wiki, and a little stolen from Gentoo/Funtoo
2021-09-15 03:17:14 <Saijin_Naib[m]> And someone really helpful here but I was too frazzled to remember their username
2021-09-15 03:17:22 <Saijin_Naib[m]> They got me set up with abuild workflows
2021-09-15 03:18:36 <Saijin_Naib[m]> I'm using my hack kernel so that's a success at least, but despite my best efforts, it sort of merges/overwrites the default linux-lts kernel which I'm not fond of. So I need to learn abuild better, it seems. It really needs to be it's own thing and not sharing the same /lib/modules directory
2021-09-15 03:19:08 <Saijin_Naib[m]> Then it is on to ripping out everything that this machine doesn't need and keeping my own fork updated and built
2021-09-15 03:21:01 <Saijin_Naib[m]> I'm using march=silvermont -Os and LTO. Runs a treat like this
2021-09-15 07:19:39 <talismanick> Alpine-s6 would be a somewhat-familiar choice for a distro to create a Wireguard VPN on a VPS if I use Void Linux normally, right?
2021-09-15 07:21:45 <talismanick> Is there a list of VPS providers which will both let me install Alpine and use it as a VPN?
2021-09-15 07:22:03 <talismanick> (for private web browsing, not torrenting - I don't expect any mercy on that account)
2021-09-15 07:22:23 <lopid> bytemark 
2021-09-15 07:24:55 <talismanick> lopid: Shouldn't I look for hosting outside the Five Eyes?
2021-09-15 07:25:00 <ItsLua[m]> You can use any VPS hosting, but not Russian
2021-09-15 07:25:15 <talismanick> ItsLua[m]: da, konechno ne budu
2021-09-15 07:25:50 <talismanick> I know enough of how crazy it is from relatives >_>
2021-09-15 07:26:11 <ItsLua[m]> talismanick: Ты Русский?
2021-09-15 07:26:18 <talismanick> na polovinu, da 
2021-09-15 07:26:26 <ItsLua[m]> Понятно)
2021-09-15 07:26:34 <ikke> I assume you mean VPS instead of VPN
2021-09-15 07:26:45 <talismanick> ikke:  yeah, set up Wireguard remotely
2021-09-15 07:27:19 <talismanick> https://piped.kavin.rocks/watch?v=gxpX_mubz2A suggests it as a way around the logging problem with dedicated VPN providers
2021-09-15 07:27:54 <ItsLua[m]> talismanick: buy VPS in Netherlands and you'll get good privacy
2021-09-15 08:32:50 <lopid> that wasn't a requirement at the time
2021-09-15 08:40:53 <talismanick> lopid: sorry :(
2021-09-15 08:41:32 <talismanick> I thought it was implied by privacy
2021-09-15 08:42:11 <lopid> 14 eyes now :/  https://restoreprivacy.com/5-eyes-9-eyes-14-eyes/
2021-09-15 08:50:36 <talismanick> lopid: Sooo, Netherlands isn't safe?
2021-09-15 09:57:24 <smcavoy> bjacob99: I noticed you mentioned you have iwd and wpa_supplicant running. Both do the same thing, connect to wifi networks. Having them both running would cause problems. By default NetworkManager uses wpa_supplicant so it would be good to have iwd off and disabled from starting, or just removed. try NetworkManager and wpa_supplicant running and iwd off. 
2021-09-15 11:29:39 <talismanick> Oooooh, fancy
2021-09-15 11:29:45 <talismanick> just read about witchery
2021-09-15 11:30:20 <talismanick> Is it adviseable to build a Wireguard-only ISO to use a VPS as a VPN?
2021-09-15 11:31:00 <talismanick> It sounds a bit like a unikernel?
2021-09-15 14:11:51 <bjacob99> smcavoy: I just fixed it! I was out and was reading the Void Linux docs where it said to disable wpa_supplicant. So, I did switched back to Alpine, disabled wpa_supplicant, and restarted NetworkManager, and it worked. I removed wpa_supplicant from starting at boot, rebooted the laptop, and it works as desired (in terms of connectivity).
2021-09-15 14:12:22 <bjacob99> I didn't install iwd on this latest run, but may try to do so since it's apparently better than wpa_supplicant?
2021-09-15 14:17:30 <bjacob99> Thank you, by the way.
2021-09-15 16:19:30 <Larz-at-work> hi folks, question - I am attempting to boot the latest version of Alpine...but I get a black screen when it goes to the "Loading hardware drivers..."
2021-09-15 16:19:44 <Larz-at-work> monitor is out. Tried different connections, settings, monitors... all to the same effect.
2021-09-15 16:20:10 <Larz-at-work> Can anyone offer any suggestions or perhaps kernel params that I can issue to prevent screen mode resolution switching?
2021-09-15 16:36:59 <Naib> Larz-at-work: I ran into that as well (installed alpine on metal 2weeks ago, previously it was all containers... lots and lots :) )
2021-09-15 16:37:28 <Naib> so I had two issues #1 some bug in the LTS kernel resulting in kernel panic but the edge kernel did exactly what you decribed
2021-09-15 16:38:11 <Naib> Larz-at-work: so I edited extlinux boot menu to set init as ash, remounted /, edited /etc/rc.conf to enable interactive and rebooted
2021-09-15 16:38:50 <Naib> Larz-at-work:then I pressed "i" to select which services to start, and skipped that one and permitted it to proceed.
2021-09-15 16:39:05 <Naib> this allowed me to remove the "Loading hardware drivers" service. 
2021-09-15 16:39:28 <Naib> YOUR specific instnace... are you using nvidia by any chance? because the neuvio (sp?) driver maybe loading 
2021-09-15 16:39:50 <Naib> or you have the wrong firmware. but once you stop this auto-attempt you can start blacklisting drivers
2021-09-15 16:39:51 <Larz-at-work> Naib - nope, just an intel 10th gen
2021-09-15 16:40:00 <Larz-at-work> and this is on the USB boot. 
2021-09-15 16:40:10 <Larz-at-work> Alternatively, is there a way to enable SSH off the bat?
2021-09-15 16:40:31 <Larz-at-work> Because I know that the system is booted (in the background)...as I can type and kb works.
2021-09-15 16:40:50 <Larz-at-work> This is something to do with screen / mode / display intel video problem.
2021-09-15 16:41:46 <Naib> mmm unsure if ssh is enabled on the usb, i could start a qemu with the iso
2021-09-15 17:03:41 <nescafe> Larz-at-work, you can set up headless mode: https://wiki.alpinelinux.org/wiki/Raspberry_Pi_-_Headless_Installation
2021-09-15 17:16:15 <minimal> Larz-at-work: missing firmware package for Intel graphics?
2021-09-15 17:18:15 <Larz-at-work> minimal - not sure... 
2021-09-15 17:18:43 <Larz-at-work> I booted 3.10.9 and it worked!
2021-09-15 17:18:50 <Larz-at-work> no display issues
2021-09-15 17:18:59 <Larz-at-work> except now I don't have an ethernet card
2021-09-15 17:21:47 <minimal> the /etc/init.d/hwdrivers script checks for a cmdline option to decide whether to do anything or not, you could try passing that
2021-09-15 17:25:01 <Larz-at-work> minimal, in the grub loader?
2021-09-15 17:25:42 <Larz-at-work> Or are you suggesting in the new version of Alpine grub loader, or the legacy one that boots?
2021-09-15 17:56:35 <minimal> Larz-at-work: the kernel cmdline is defined in the bootloader (i.e. Grub) so if you use 'e' to temporarily edit the boot option and try adding 'noautodetect' to it that should mean the hwdrivers script will do nothing
2021-09-15 21:10:20 <scottf> Added mpt3sas.msix_disable=1 to command line menu. Now we get an error message this time to help debug. mpt3sas_cm0: failure at drivers/scsi/mpt3sas/mpt3sas_scsih.c:10623/_scsih_probe()! failed. At that point it shows initramfs prompt and locks up.
2021-09-15 21:22:49 <smcavoy> bjacob99: good to hear.
2021-09-16 06:26:57 <telmich> hmm, something is wrong with our thunderbird build: zsh: segmentation fault  thunderbird
2021-09-16 06:27:06 <telmich> (when starting it freshly)
2021-09-16 06:36:00 <ikke> https://gitlab.alpinelinux.org/alpine/aports/-/issues/12017
2021-09-16 15:04:20 <fcolista> Am I missing something ? https://tpaste.us/JqLl 
2021-09-16 15:04:28 <fcolista> ping acme-v02.api.letsencrypt.org
2021-09-16 15:04:28 <fcolista> PING ca80a1adb12a4fbdac5ffcbc944e9a61.pacloudflare.com (172.65.32.248) 56(84) bytes of data.
2021-09-16 15:04:28 <fcolista> 64 bytes from 172.65.32.248 (172.65.32.248): icmp_seq=2 ttl=54 time=11.3 ms
2021-09-16 15:04:28 <fcolista> 64 bytes from 172.65.32.248 (172.65.32.248): icmp_seq=1 ttl=54 time=11.2 ms
2021-09-16 15:04:29 <fcolista> 64 bytes from 172.65.32.248 (172.65.32.248): icmp_seq=3 ttl=54 time=11.2 ms
2021-09-16 15:04:47 <fcolista> awall translate: 
2021-09-16 15:04:48 <fcolista> Invalid host name: acme-v02.api.letsencrypt.org
2021-09-16 15:05:14 <ikke> what about getent hosts acme-v02.api.letsencrypt.org
2021-09-16 15:05:17 <frag> trying to remove 'tg', getting: "World updated, but the following packages are not removed due to: tg: telegram-cli"
2021-09-16 15:05:59 <fcolista>  getent hosts acme-v02.api.letsencrypt.org
2021-09-16 15:05:59 <fcolista> 2606:4700:60::f53d:5624:85c7:3a2c  ca80a1adb12a4fbdac5ffcbc944e9a61.pacloudflare.com  ca80a1adb12a4fbdac5ffcbc944e9a61.pacloudflare.com acme-v02.api.letsencrypt.org
2021-09-16 15:06:05 <Hello71> frag: seems pretty straightforward
2021-09-16 15:07:26 <frag> Hello71: hmm didnt think telegram-cli was a package, still not sure ... i thought tg _was_ telegram-cli
2021-09-16 15:10:01 <fcolista> ikke, any suggestion?
2021-09-16 15:10:36 <ikke> fcolista: perhaps try strace?
2021-09-16 15:13:14 <fcolista> i'm unable to see what is wrong from strace
2021-09-16 15:15:13 <fcolista> https://tpaste.us/8E4k 
2021-09-16 15:42:21 <kelvinfahrenheit43> hello, i'm trying to setup LVM on LUKS with syslinux
2021-09-16 15:43:21 <kelvinfahrenheit43> i just modified /mnt/etc/update-extlinux.conf as needed and tried chrooting to /mnt/ and using update-extlinux
2021-09-16 15:43:39 <kelvinfahrenheit43> however, i get an error that says that it cant find the boot device
2021-09-16 15:44:39 <kelvinfahrenheit43> i dont want to write to MBR yet bc this seems like a serious issue
2021-09-16 15:57:51 <kelvinfahrenheit43> ah right the specific error is extlinux: cannot find device for path /boot
2021-09-16 15:58:00 <kelvinfahrenheit43> extlinux: cannot open device (null)
2021-09-16 16:02:17 <Hello71> did you mount /dev
2021-09-16 16:05:56 <kelvinfa1renheit43> can people see my previous messages
2021-09-16 16:08:29 <danieli> yes
2021-09-16 16:09:42 <Hello71> it doesn't help if you disconnect
2021-09-16 16:09:47 <Hello71> 16:02 <Hello71> did you mount /dev
2021-09-16 16:09:53 <kelvinfa1renheit43> i wasn't trying to disconnect
2021-09-16 16:09:57 <kelvinfa1renheit43> i don't know how that happened
2021-09-16 16:10:06 <kelvinfa1renheit43> i believe i did
2021-09-16 16:10:38 <kelvinfa1renheit43> mount lists devices mounted on /dev
2021-09-16 16:11:52 <kelvinfa1renheit43> it says my root disk's boot partition is on /mnt/boot
2021-09-16 16:13:15 <kelvinfa1renheit43> i think i've followed the wiki entry "LVM on LUKS" closely
2021-09-16 16:13:22 <kelvinfa1renheit43> i'm using syslinux with BIOS
2021-09-16 16:14:01 <Hello71> if you chroot then you need to remount /dev
2021-09-16 16:14:07 <kelvinfa1renheit43> oh
2021-09-16 16:14:57 <kelvinfa1renheit43> according to the wiki guide you don't need to do that
2021-09-16 16:15:34 <kelvinfa1renheit43> although the update-extlinux was updated so
2021-09-16 16:15:40 <kelvinfa1renheit43> idk
2021-09-16 16:15:51 <kelvinfa1renheit43> i'll write the mbr and see if it works i guess
2021-09-16 16:21:14 <kelvinfa1renheit43> alright it boots
2021-09-16 16:22:50 <kelvinfa1renheit43> i guess i worried over nothing
2021-09-16 16:25:51 <freqk_> why is my keyboard so dirty
2021-09-16 16:26:10 <kelvinfa1renheit43> i have a bad habit of putting food near my keyboard
2021-09-16 16:26:34 <kelvinfa1renheit43> it's usually solid food so nothing gets in
2021-09-16 17:40:56 <user____> https://xkcd.com/237/
2021-09-16 17:48:08 <psykose> mine isn't (i got it 2 days ago)
2021-09-16 18:58:21 <ajshell1> I saw on the wiki that it's possible to switch from a numbered version to edge with a few commands. Somehow I get the feeling that switching from edge to a numbered version won't work. Is my hunch correct?
2021-09-16 18:58:39 <ikke> ajshell1: The process is the same
2021-09-16 18:58:49 <ikke> Make sure you add -a (--available) to the upgrade command
2021-09-16 18:59:48 <ajshell1> Huh. I would have imagined that this would have resulted in something breaking.
2021-09-16 19:00:23 <lopid> going backward?
2021-09-16 19:00:27 <ikke> At most, you could run in some dependency issues depending on what you have installed
2021-09-16 19:01:01 <ikke> But that counts for either direction
2021-09-16 19:39:59 <gopher22> Hello, I'm getting the "81B7F63997F0000:error:0A000086:SSL routines:tls_post_process_server_certificate:certificate verify failed:ssl/statem/statem_clnt.c:1882:
2021-09-16 19:39:59 <gopher22> ERROR: musl-1.2.2-r6: Permission denied" error recently. Is there a current issue/quick fix that I missed in the last couple of days?
2021-09-16 19:45:12 <ikke> Might be related to the openssl 3.0 upgrade
2021-09-16 19:45:22 <psykose> upgrade and see if you still get it
2021-09-16 19:49:00 <gopher22> I changed the default mirror server domain to one of my closest local ones, seems that it resolved the issue
2021-09-16 19:49:25 <gopher22> I just wanted to upgrade the packages from main/stable to edge/testing
2021-09-16 19:52:57 <psykose> last i used a random non dl-x.alpine mirror things were a few days behind, so makes sense
2021-09-16 19:53:13 <psykose> if you are on latest and find issues like that you should investigate a bit
2021-09-16 19:53:54 <psykose> probably a small handful of openssl issues to find still
2021-09-16 19:55:12 <gopher22> I'm running mostly Alpine LXC containers, until today, I never had to change the default server in the sources lists, apart from adding edge and/or testing, instead of the current stable version
2021-09-16 19:56:04 <gopher22> "default servers" being: ~ # cat /etc/apk/repositories
2021-09-16 19:56:04 <gopher22> ~ #
2021-09-16 19:56:04 <gopher22> http://dl-cdn.alpinelinux.org/alpine/edge/testing
2021-09-16 19:56:04 <gopher22> http://dl-cdn.alpinelinux.org/alpine/edge/main
2021-09-16 19:56:04 <gopher22> http://dl-cdn.alpinelinux.org/alpine/edge/community
2021-09-16 19:57:22 <psykose> those should always be up to date
2021-09-16 19:57:41 <ikke> https://mirrors.alpinelinux.org/
2021-09-16 19:58:08 <gopher22> I believe that. pretty sure if I'll check back tommorow, the issue should be gone
2021-09-16 19:59:03 <gopher22> changed to http://quantum-mirror.hu/mirrors/pub/alpine/ on one of my containers, at the moment this is working fine
2021-09-17 02:24:10 <neverkas[m]> hi
2021-09-17 02:25:49 <telmich> do we have any gui / sip client in the repos?
2021-09-17 02:29:47 <kelvinfahrenheit43> i'm having some issues mounting a USB drive 
2021-09-17 02:36:47 <kelvinfa1renheit43> my internet is spotty, sorry about that
2021-09-17 02:36:48 <Hello71> telmich: wasn't this just discussed a few days ago
2021-09-17 02:36:55 <Hello71> maybe in different channel, not sure
2021-09-17 02:37:16 <Hello71> afaik no good one
2021-09-17 02:38:13 <Hello71> apparently linphone is in testing
2021-09-17 04:22:43 <telmich> Hello71: I see it, but it crashes with incorrect libraries linked at the moment
2021-09-17 10:14:30 <frag> i like to be able to start guis from cron (eg notifications), but i get nothing, no errors in log just confirmation that the cmd was run (testing with st terminal): "crond: USER u pid 10469 cmd st"
2021-09-17 10:15:07 <frag> is it possible with busybox cron?
2021-09-17 10:17:27 <ikke> You probable need to set DISPLAY
2021-09-17 10:19:22 <frag> yes i set some variables (disregard the top line): https://a.uguu.se/FCcqQJy.txt
2021-09-17 10:20:02 <frag> i dont get any errors in log when starting, just "crond: crond (busybox 1.34.0) started, log level 8"
2021-09-17 10:24:33 <lopid> crond recognises only a few variables. you'll hve to either put them in your script or on the job line so they become shell variables instead of cron variables
2021-09-17 10:27:09 <frag> lopid: ah right :]
2021-09-17 14:02:45 <slowjo> i just updated and dovecot is failing to initialize SSL, says it can't find libproviders.so
2021-09-17 14:03:19 <slowjo> can't find that in any package contents and am wondering where that should come from
2021-09-17 14:04:00 <slowjo> has anybody maybe encountered something like this already?
2021-09-17 14:05:44 <ikke> slowjo: edge?
2021-09-17 14:06:16 <slowjo> ikke yes
2021-09-17 14:35:02 <ikke> Do you use any plugins?
2021-09-17 14:35:21 <Hello71> also post the exact error
2021-09-17 14:35:23 <mps> slowjo: could you paste log
2021-09-17 14:38:52 <mps> maybe I'm blind but there is no libproviders.so in dovecot
2021-09-17 14:41:17 <minimal> is it perhaps something that openssl, rather than dovecot itself, is referring to?
2021-09-17 14:43:14 <Hello71> https://www.google.com/search?q="libproviders.so"
2021-09-17 14:44:01 <mps> Hello71: ddg not google ;)
2021-09-17 14:44:35 <Hello71> google is far better for this sort of query, ddg (bing) has much less of the internet crawled
2021-09-17 14:45:01 <Hello71> also their search algorithm is bad but that's not relevant here
2021-09-17 14:46:30 <mps> maybe, but ddg is not so much aggressive in marketing
2021-09-17 15:52:36 <minimal> openssl docs do talk about providers: https://www.openssl.org/docs/manmaster/man7/provider.html
2021-09-17 16:11:23 <Hello71> yes, but it is called "legacy.so" etc
2021-09-17 16:11:35 <Hello71> maybe they poorly paraphrased error instead of pasting it
2021-09-17 16:20:58 <slowjo> sorry, was afk
2021-09-17 16:22:16 <slowjo> imap-login: Error: Failed to initialize SSL server context: Can't load SSL certificate (ssl_cert setting): error:25066067:DSO support routines:dlfcn_load:could not load the shared library: filename(libproviders.so): Error loading shared library libproviders.so: No such file or directory, error:25070067:DSO support routines:DSO_load:could not load the shared library, error:0E07506E:configuration file routines:module_load_dso:error loading dso: 
2021-09-17 16:22:16 <slowjo> module=providers, path=providers, error:0E076071:configuration file routines:module_run:unknown module name: module=providers: user=<>, rip=[[some ip]], lip=[[my ip]], session=<M/rD9DHM/JA+8Ia8>
2021-09-17 16:22:48 <slowjo> mps this is the line that keeps repeating
2021-09-17 16:23:11 <slowjo> i also found nothing when ddg-ing and googling, that's when i turned to this channel
2021-09-17 16:27:30 <againstalllogic> Hi! Sorry for the dumb question, but I'm playing around with crond, and do I need to tweak any config to receive cronjobs email output?
2021-09-17 16:28:01 <againstalllogic> The cronjobs are running, I'm just not receiving the output via email. Thanks for any help!
2021-09-17 16:30:13 <lopid> you'll need an mda
2021-09-17 16:35:41 <againstalllogic> I've already setup opensmtpd
2021-09-17 16:36:01 <againstalllogic> I've tested it using sendmail, and it seems to be working alright
2021-09-17 16:36:07 <lopid> then you'll need "MAILTO=username" in your crontab
2021-09-17 16:36:16 <againstalllogic> ooohhhh that's it!
2021-09-17 16:36:52 <againstalllogic> Sorry about that, I'm used to Debian, and Alpine has these little differences :)
2021-09-17 16:37:01 <lopid> no problem
2021-09-17 16:37:03 <againstalllogic> Thanks! I'll give it a try!
2021-09-17 16:38:48 <mps> slowjo: I can't find anything related to this
2021-09-17 16:42:07 <mps> looks like you are trying some of external auth providers but they not installed or doesn't work for some reason
2021-09-17 16:45:01 <mps> slowjo: you can join #dovecot channel on oftc and ask there, people are usually responsive
2021-09-17 16:50:54 <slowjo> mps thanks for looking into this!
2021-09-17 16:51:36 <slowjo> i'll try that next
2021-09-17 16:52:25 <mps> slowjo: you are welcome
2021-09-17 16:59:45 <Hello71> slowjo: did you try grep -r providers /etc
2021-09-17 17:03:38 <mps> there is some docs about third party providers on dovecot docs site, I forgot exact url
2021-09-17 17:05:11 <slowjo> Hello71: only some stuff in openssl.cnf which i never touched
2021-09-17 17:05:23 <slowjo> mps: hm i'll look for that too
2021-09-17 17:23:17 <Ariadne> that is an openssl error message
2021-09-17 17:23:25 <Ariadne> you need to enable legacy provider i think
2021-09-17 17:24:34 <mps> looks like it is related to new openssl, but I wasn't sure so didn't mentioned it
2021-09-17 17:24:54 <Ariadne> see https://github.com/openssl/openssl/blob/master/README-PROVIDERS.md
2021-09-17 17:25:01 <Ariadne> it will say how to enable it
2021-09-17 17:25:23 <Ariadne> however this likely means your certificate is weak
2021-09-17 17:25:35 <Ariadne> so you may want to consider issuing a new one with stronger settings
2021-09-17 17:36:44 <PureTryOut> Anyone here using virt-manager with qemu/kvm? I got a connection to the system qemu/kvm session but virt-manager says "No hypervisor options were found for this connection" and won't let me continue
2021-09-17 17:37:00 <PureTryOut> my user is part of the `libvirt` and `kvm` groups, and `/dev/kvm` exists
2021-09-17 17:46:45 <againstalllogic> Do I ned to install "iproute2" for the "tc" commands? Or it's just a PATH thing?
2021-09-17 17:46:49 <againstalllogic> *need
2021-09-17 17:51:06 <mps> apk add iproute2-tc
2021-09-17 17:51:25 <againstalllogic> oh, thanks!
2021-09-17 17:54:44 <againstalllogic> I forget that this thing is slim AF lol
2021-09-17 17:55:19 <againstalllogic> I need to change my whole mentality, I'm used to having everything AND the kitchen sink
2021-09-17 17:58:31 <freqk_> hey
2021-09-17 17:58:38 <freqk_> does alpine have a mobile branch
2021-09-17 17:58:50 <ikke> You probably want postmarket
2021-09-17 17:58:55 <jvoisin> https://postmarketos.org/ ^
2021-09-17 18:03:34 <Hello71> Ariadne: are you sure
2021-09-17 18:03:45 <Ariadne> Hello71: yes
2021-09-17 18:03:57 <Hello71> why does it say libproviders.so then (as discussed earlier)
2021-09-17 18:04:02 <Ariadne> Hello71: if it has a bunch of colons and hexadecimal codes in it, it's definitely openssl
2021-09-17 18:04:21 <mps> :)
2021-09-17 18:04:24 <mps> yes
2021-09-17 18:04:25 <Ariadne> Hello71: i do not know :))))
2021-09-17 18:04:48 <Ariadne> my guess is there is stupidity present in /etc/ssl/openssl.cnf
2021-09-17 18:04:55 <Ariadne> that needs to be fixed somehow
2021-09-17 18:33:22 <winlu> hi. curl 7.79 has a defect https://github.com/curl/curl/issues/7738 (one of my servers is affected and can no longer communicate with one of its peers). Is there a way to roll back to an earlier version?
2021-09-17 18:34:09 <ikke> It's the one bagder refered to?
2021-09-17 18:34:16 <ikke> That's causing random stalls?
2021-09-17 18:35:00 <winlu> ikke: not sure just joined, more like response code is not parsed correctly so the connection gets closed before data is exchanged
2021-09-17 18:35:04 <winlu> so not really a stall. it fails fast
2021-09-17 18:35:16 <ikke> bagder is the curl maintainer :)
2021-09-17 18:35:24 <ikke> But apparently this is a different bug then
2021-09-17 19:17:22 <talismanick> Is witchery in a usable state? Can I use it to build a bare-bones WireGuard image to stick on a VPS?
2021-09-17 19:18:16 <psykose> not sure why the existing 900 ways of putting wireguard on a vps wouldn't work
2021-09-17 19:19:33 <talismanick> psykose: I was already going to use Alpine-s6, as it's the proper "server distro" nearest to Void, but if I can make it even smaller, reduce attack surface, etc, I'd like to do so
2021-09-17 19:20:15 <talismanick> After all, I'm going to cheap out on the specs - the lowest-cost option on the most secure VPS I can find
2021-09-17 19:21:26 <talismanick> If it's unreasonable, I'll take your advice and just use Alpine 
2021-09-17 19:24:11 <ikke> winlu: There is no easy way to downgrade, we sadly do not have the resources to keep older versions
2021-09-17 19:24:17 <Hello71> there's no point of putting wireguard in docker
2021-09-17 19:26:25 <Hello71> using kernel ipml
2021-09-17 19:26:27 <Hello71> impl
2021-09-17 19:31:42 <winlu> ikke: yeah i thought so. tried compiling 7.78 now which works fine. But will still need to compile php as well on top of it
2021-09-17 19:47:27 <talismanick> Hello71: witchery only embeds in Docker? I was going to run it atop bare KVM or Xen. Is my understanding that witchery builds something akin to a unikernel incorrect?
2021-09-17 21:05:41 <minimal> talismanick: I have a script for creating server-oriented cloud-init enabled Alpine disk images
2021-09-17 22:37:23 <talismanick> minimal: Is it on Github?
2021-09-17 22:48:28 <minimal> talismanick: https://github.com/dermotbradley/create-alpine-disk-image
2021-09-17 22:48:48 <minimal> that version is about 1 month old - I must push a newer version shortly
2021-09-17 23:12:04 <talismanick> minimal: This looks great! I think I'll learn a lot from it.
2021-09-17 23:13:43 <minimal> talismanick: I've added quite a bit more stuff to the script in the past month (e.g. LVM setup) that's not in the Github version
2021-09-17 23:15:10 <minimal> if you're looking at ideas around a specific setup, e.g. KVM then better to run the script to create a KVM-tailored script and look at the created secondary script
2021-09-17 23:31:27 <jeffreybenzos[m]> alpine linux.
2021-09-17 23:32:05 <psykose> linux of the alps
2021-09-17 23:33:42 <talismanick> I have Pinebook, I have Alpine Linux...
2021-09-17 23:33:46 <talismanick> UHHH
2021-09-17 23:33:52 <talismanick> Alpine Pinebook Linux 
2021-09-17 23:34:18 <maxice8> Alpinebook Loonix
2021-09-18 06:16:13 <Misthios> A(l) pine book
2021-09-18 06:34:01 <talismanick> Okay, I think I'm ready to buy a VPS and put Alpine on it.
2021-09-18 06:35:20 <talismanick> When they ask for a "Hostname" and the example text is "servername.yourdomain.com", does that mean I need to register a domain name and use that? That alone costs money, no?
2021-09-18 06:36:02 <talismanick> Can I just use whatever the machine's hostname is going to be? (e.g. myVPS)
2021-09-18 06:36:11 <raven523> probably
2021-09-18 06:37:03 <talismanick> fingers crossed that they validate it if it's not what the registration backend wants
2021-09-18 06:43:08 <psykose> i don't think you need a hostname at all
2021-09-18 07:03:04 <talismanick> psykose: Well, it won't let you proceed without
2021-09-18 07:03:26 <talismanick> Hope I didn't just earn myself a long call with tech support
2021-09-18 07:03:34 <psykose> not referring to whatever vps provider you chose, but in general
2021-09-18 07:04:05 <psykose> usually those are just the hostname set on the instance and not used for anything though so should be fine
2021-09-18 07:05:01 <psykose> in the sense of, it's the same hostname you usually set as a single word on your own computer and not a domain you are buying
2021-09-18 10:25:02 <dalz> hi, i'm getting tls errors from dovecot and smtpd after upgrading (on edge)
2021-09-18 10:25:12 <dalz> dovecot says it can't load libproviders.so
2021-09-18 10:25:39 <dalz> smtpd says "io-error: error:0A080006:SSL routines::EVP lib"
2021-09-18 10:26:17 <dalz> i see openssl was upgraded to 3.0.0, i tried installing openssl1.1-compat but nothing changed
2021-09-18 10:26:34 <dalz> any idea on how to fix this?
2021-09-18 10:32:37 <frag> talismanick: how is pinebook? worth it?
2021-09-18 11:17:24 <slowjo> dalz i encountered the same thing yesterday
2021-09-18 11:17:44 <slowjo> Haven't figured it out yet
2021-09-18 11:18:10 <slowjo> Ariadne suggested https://github.com/openssl/openssl/blob/master/README-PROVIDERS.md
2021-09-18 11:18:20 <slowjo> And enabling the legacy provider
2021-09-18 11:18:52 <slowjo> Or issuing more secure certificates 
2021-09-18 11:19:37 <slowjo> I tried that quick, didn't help (or i did it wrong) and then had to give up due to lack of time
2021-09-18 11:20:14 <slowjo> Another suggestion i didn't get to yet was asking in #dovecot
2021-09-18 11:22:50 <slowjo> If you have some time to figure it out today do please tell
2021-09-18 11:58:20 <dalz> slowjo: i'll try asking there then
2021-09-18 12:23:11 <donoban> is this env standard? "_=/usr/bin/env" I don't know from where it comes and what is its purpose
2021-09-18 12:23:12 <somee> Привет всем, может кто-нибудь сказать мне, почему в lxc containter после добавления localmount в boot он не запускается? Если я делаю rc-service locamount start - всё запускается.
2021-09-18 12:23:19 <somee> Hi all, can someone tell me why in lxc containter after adding localmount to boot it does not start? If I do rc-service locamount start, everything starts.
2021-09-18 12:23:31 <somee> In rc.log - nothing.
2021-09-18 12:24:11 <ikke> somee: There is boot runlevel in lxc containers
2021-09-18 12:24:12 <donoban> did you add it to default run level? what says rc-status after booting?
2021-09-18 12:24:26 <ikke> ^^ add it to default
2021-09-18 12:25:07 <ikke> also, perhaps it's better to set mount options in the config of the lxc container rather than trying to mount it inside the container
2021-09-18 12:25:25 <donoban> ey ikke do you have this "_=/usr/bin/env" env var?
2021-09-18 12:25:43 <ikke> donoban: apparently
2021-09-18 12:26:15 <somee> ikke: donoban yeah, i try default at first time, but it give nothing, so i tryed other runlevels.
2021-09-18 12:26:16 <ikke> No idea where it comes from
2021-09-18 12:26:55 <donoban> ok
2021-09-18 12:27:43 <somee> Runlevel: default  crond                                                                                     [  started  ] Dynamic Runlevel: hotplugged Dynamic Runlevel: needed/wanted Dynamic Runlevel: manual
2021-09-18 12:27:49 <donoban> localmount is probably already a dependency for others services
2021-09-18 12:28:27 <somee> Hm, maybe i do something wrong. I just need to automaticaly mount mounts from /etc/fstab file
2021-09-18 12:28:30 <donoban> uhM, is there only crond?
2021-09-18 12:28:37 <somee> Yeah.
2021-09-18 12:29:04 <ikke> lxc containers have don't start a lot of services by default
2021-09-18 12:29:08 <donoban> if you add it to default and "reboot" what says rc-status?
2021-09-18 12:29:35 <somee> donoban: crond to default? 
2021-09-18 12:29:39 <somee> or
2021-09-18 12:29:44 <donoban> localmount
2021-09-18 12:29:53 <somee> localmount already in default
2021-09-18 12:30:00 <somee> this output for it
2021-09-18 12:31:12 <somee> https://0x0.st/-3ut.png
2021-09-18 12:31:59 <somee> and rc-update output https://0x0.st/-3uv.png
2021-09-18 12:32:02 <wej> somee: localmount has the -lxc keyword in it, which prevents it from running on lxc. no idea why that is, because it would work fine otherwise. i also stumbled over this some time ago
2021-09-18 12:32:23 <somee> Oh
2021-09-18 12:33:19 <donoban> probably as ikke said is not very good policy to mount fs inside the container
2021-09-18 12:33:23 <ikke> "Exclude this service from any dependencies. The service can still be run directly."
2021-09-18 12:33:36 <ikke> afaik, -lxc should not prevent it from being directly started
2021-09-18 12:34:44 <ikke> Unless it's considered a dependency of the runlevel
2021-09-18 12:35:11 <somee> wej: yeah!
2021-09-18 12:35:15 <somee> Its works now!
2021-09-18 12:35:56 <wej> :)
2021-09-18 12:36:02 <ikke> good to know
2021-09-18 12:36:06 <somee> donoban: so, i must use mounting from container config?
2021-09-18 12:36:36 <somee> I just need to mount tmp and /dev/shm
2021-09-18 12:37:08 <donoban> uhM, I don't know
2021-09-18 12:38:37 <somee> Now i dont like idea to edit default init.d files :|
2021-09-18 12:39:31 <somee> anyway, thank you for help guys
2021-09-18 12:40:47 <dalz> slowjo: slavko on #dovecot suggested commenting out the "providers = provider_sect" line in /etc/ssl/openssl.cnf and it seems to have worked
2021-09-18 12:41:25 <wej> some, for mounting /tmp on a tmpf you can put something like "lxc.mount.entry=tmpfs tmp tmpfs nodev,nosuid,noexec,create=dir 0 0" in your container config
2021-09-18 12:41:32 <donoban> somee: maybe this helps https://ahelpme.com/linux/tmpfs-mount-on-dev-shm-in-lxc-container-or-chroot-environment/
2021-09-18 12:41:41 <donoban>     lxc.autodev = 1
2021-09-18 12:42:04 <somee> donoban: oh, let me read this, thanks!
2021-09-18 12:43:26 <Naib> CyberTailor     | Jannik2099: on alpine many python programs don't run because they need python compiled with ngettext support
2021-09-18 12:43:28 <Naib> ???
2021-09-18 12:50:38 <somee> donoban: yes, its works, thank you!
2021-09-18 13:42:22 <Ariadne> slowjo: could be that dovecot is doing something stupid that breaks on openssl 3
2021-09-18 17:45:54 <ikke> Someone else reporting it as well: https://gitlab.alpinelinux.org/alpine/aports/-/issues/13023
2021-09-18 17:46:24 <ikke> Ariadne: is the suggestion to comment out 'providers = provider_sect' sound?
2021-09-18 17:46:48 <Ariadne> yes, seems reasonable
2021-09-18 17:47:04 <Ariadne> i think it is a documentation error
2021-09-18 17:55:35 <minimal> I looked at the openssl.cnf earlier, the providers part references the provider_sect part which references default_sect, which defines nothing (as the 'activate' line is commented out). I though the default provider was always used without needing to be specified.
2021-09-18 17:56:38 <minimal> so it doesn't make sense that commenting out that line would make a different - but then who said sense has anything to do with IT lol
2021-09-18 17:57:18 <ikke> Well, apparently it does make a difference :)
2021-09-18 17:57:30 <ikke> So one of the assumptions is incorrect
2021-09-18 18:00:47 <minimal> ikke: yupe, haven't looked at the source for a reality check lol
2021-09-18 18:06:24 <Hello71> it vaguely smells like some kind of memory misuse
2021-09-18 18:07:12 <Hello71> did anybody test just running dovecot in a fresh chroot
2021-09-18 18:12:27 <Hello71> hm, upgrading from 3.14 to edge gives "ERROR: PANIC! Failed to re-execute new apk-tools!"
2021-09-18 18:12:34 <Hello71> but running apk upgrade again fixes it
2021-09-18 18:12:42 <Hello71> which is... interesting
2021-09-18 18:26:59 <Hello71> oh, dovecot isn't even openssl3
2021-09-18 18:27:14 <Hello71> well that explains it
2021-09-18 18:28:28 <Hello71> Ariadne: ur 582ca9558a626dd36c1d13a796494b2e931aaee9 is broke, can't use new conf with old openssl
2021-09-18 18:29:00 <Hello71> need /etc/ssl1.1, /etc/ssl1.1/certs -> ../ssl/certs i guess
2021-09-18 18:29:09 <Ariadne> okay
2021-09-18 18:29:17 <Ariadne> can you do the MR :)
2021-09-18 18:30:32 <Hello71> why can't we just delete mariadb so we can delete openssl1.1 :p
2021-09-18 18:30:44 <ikke> There is still something going on with ssl_client install_if
2021-09-18 18:31:01 <ikke> #13022
2021-09-18 18:31:43 <ikke> apk upgrade on alpine:edge uninstalls ssl_client, which uninstalls ca-certificates-bundle, after which apk is broken when using https mirrors
2021-09-18 18:45:25 <Hello71> !25502
2021-09-18 18:48:04 <Hello71> i assume #13022 is because of self-upgrade rule
2021-09-18 18:48:48 <Hello71> new apk depends on libssl3, which conflicts with old ssl_client, which is not directly required by apk, so it gets purged
2021-09-18 18:48:55 <Hello71> it should be ok with --no-self-upgrade
2021-09-18 18:49:26 <ikke> yeah, you are right
2021-09-18 18:50:02 <Hello71> yes: https://bpa.st/CW2A
2021-09-18 18:50:19 <ikke> yeah, just tested it myself as well
2021-09-18 18:51:00 <Hello71> i remember there was another issue with self-upgrade a year ago or so
2021-09-18 18:51:18 <ikke> aha
2021-09-18 18:51:28 <ikke> But how would we fix it?
2021-09-18 18:51:56 <Hello71> well i can think of a number of workarounds, but no good solution
2021-09-18 18:52:19 <Hello71> the most obvious workaround is to have apk require ssl_client directly
2021-09-18 18:53:06 <ikke> another would having ca-certificate-bundle explicitly installed
2021-09-18 18:53:57 <ikke> ln: /builds/alxu/aports/main/openssl1.1-compat/pkg/openssl1.1-compat/etc/ssl1.1/certs: File exists
2021-09-18 18:55:12 <Hello71> yes i noticed
2021-09-18 18:55:21 <Hello71> can't overwrite a directory with a symlink
2021-09-18 18:55:54 <ikke> obviously not :)
2021-09-18 18:56:51 <Hello71> i wanted to be lazy and not test it locally but not sure if it's empty
2021-09-18 20:52:37 <alkiphron> hello
2021-09-18 21:09:58 <slowjo> dalz Ariadne thanks for helping out!
2021-09-18 21:11:48 <ikke> slowjo: in case you missed it, Hello71 worked on a patch to openssl that should fix it properly
2021-09-18 21:14:44 <slowjo> ikke: thanks, I did miss it. tl;dr would be wait a while, then update?
2021-09-18 21:15:01 <ikke> It still needs to be merged
2021-09-18 21:20:55 <slowjo> I will wait, happy the workaround indeed works though ^^
2021-09-18 22:31:03 <frag> is eudev important?
2021-09-18 22:32:04 <ikke> at the moment, it's the default provider for libudev
2021-09-18 22:32:30 <ikke> There are plans to switch over to libudev-zero, though
2021-09-18 22:32:39 <frag> i could uninstallit without warnings
2021-09-18 22:32:55 <ikke> https://gitlab.alpinelinux.org/alpine/tsc/-/issues/12
2021-09-18 22:33:19 <ikke> you can uninstall everything without warnings
2021-09-18 22:33:34 <frag> ah :]
2021-09-18 22:33:52 <ikke> It's mostly used for hotplugging devices
2021-09-19 02:32:42 <ninguem> hello
2021-09-19 03:32:54 <tivereatia> Is there a way to find package from file's path?
2021-09-19 03:34:17 <psykose> yes
2021-09-19 03:34:43 <psykose> you can put the path and filename in here https://pkgs.alpinelinux.org/contents
2021-09-19 03:34:58 <q66> apk info -W /path
2021-09-19 03:35:48 <q66> /usr/bin/ls is owned by bsdutils-0.0.1-r0
2021-09-19 03:36:02 <q66> should print something like that
2021-09-19 03:36:22 <tivereatia> Thanks
2021-09-19 03:36:54 <Saijin_Naib[m]> Anyone else having trouble updating FlatPaks after the OpenSSL upgrade?
2021-09-19 03:37:07 <Saijin_Naib[m]> I can uninstall/manage them otherwise just fine. Segfault when issued a flatpak update
2021-09-19 07:15:23 <frag> 'busybox ls -sh' only gives the total sum as human readable?
2021-09-19 07:19:24 <ikke> frag: for me, all sizes are human readable
2021-09-19 07:22:08 <frag> hmm, weird
2021-09-19 07:22:50 <frag> is it safe to upgrade edge now? 
2021-09-19 07:23:22 <frag> (i think i heard something about a problem on this chan?)
2021-09-19 07:24:27 <mps> frag: edge is always risky, it is called 'edge' with reason
2021-09-19 07:25:49 <frag> its also quite stable iiuc :]
2021-09-19 07:27:27 <mps> yes, I use it daily but again it is 'edge' and some things 'breaks', so I wouldn't say it is 'safe'
2021-09-19 07:33:09 <frag> hmm with newly update/upgraded edge i still get the 'ls -sh' problem, not a big deal, just weird
2021-09-19 07:37:59 <telmich> Something is wrong with my machine - graphic rendering has become very slow. I tested 5.10.64-0-lts and 5.14.5 from edge, but even terminal windows are displaying very slow
2021-09-19 07:38:32 <telmich> I did upgrade kernels and co. from edge recently and my machine is rather new (x1 nano), but I recall it working "normal"
2021-09-19 07:39:42 <telmich> Inspired by an old bug report on mozilla, I tried  MESA_LOADER_DRIVER_OVERRIDE=i965 glxgears which shows 1210 fps (!!!???!!) with errors like gfx12 and newer are not supported on i965 and libGL error: failed to create dri screen
2021-09-19 07:40:30 <telmich> Running glxgears without that environment variable, I get somewhere around 60~70 fps, with the `Running synchronized to the vertical refresh.` warning 
2021-09-19 07:44:41 <telmich> Some time ago we had the discussion regarding additional mesa drivers required for hardware accelaration, not sure if anyone remembers this?
2021-09-19 07:45:46 <telmich> I also have errors/warnings in my xorg.0.log like xf86EnableIOPorts: failed to set IOPL for I/O (Operation not permitted), (WW) Falling back to old probe method for modesetting, (WW) VGA arbiter: cannot open kernel arbiter, no multi-card support and (WW) intel(0): Unknown chipset
2021-09-19 07:45:57 <telmich> I wonder if anyone else experienced similar errors in here?
2021-09-19 08:05:12 <telmich> It's very interesting - we have mesa 21.2.1 in edge, according to the mesa release notes this does not yet exist, however there is a source tarball
2021-09-19 08:05:59 <telmich> https://docs.mesa3d.org/relnotes/21.2.0.html (200ok) vs https://docs.mesa3d.org/relnotes/21.2.2.html (404)
2021-09-19 08:22:50 <telmich> Seems like export MESA_LOADER_DRIVER_OVERRIDE=i965
2021-09-19 08:22:58 <telmich> fixes my performance issues
2021-09-19 08:31:27 <telmich> https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/mesa/mesa/-/issues/5373 in case someone else stumbles upon it
2021-09-19 08:40:29 <frag> is there a way to have current stable in /etc/apk/repositories, instead of updating it manually as new versions are released?
2021-09-19 08:41:29 <ikke> latest-stable
2021-09-19 08:43:09 <frag> sweet!
2021-09-19 08:46:18 <ikke> Note that you should upgrade with --available when a new release is out
2021-09-19 08:49:08 <frag> will that uninstall packages i installed from edge/testing?
2021-09-19 08:50:53 <ikke> 1) this is not something that is really support, and can break any moment. 2) it will not uninstall explicitly added packages
2021-09-19 08:52:44 <frag> the lastest-stable option or installing from edge on a stable sys?
2021-09-19 08:53:06 <frag> prob the only package i need from edge is 'ledger'
2021-09-19 08:55:08 <artok> you should then grab the apk of that package and build it using dependencies from stable release
2021-09-19 08:57:31 <ikke> frag: mixing branches
2021-09-19 08:59:09 <frag> okok ill try what artok suggested ... where can i find the .apk?
2021-09-19 08:59:46 <ikke> https://gitlab.alpinelinux.org/alpine/aports/-/blob/master/testing/ledger/APKBUILD
2021-09-19 09:00:05 <frag> thanks!
2021-09-19 09:00:20 <ikke> btw, we try to stimulate packages not remaining too long in testing
2021-09-19 09:02:47 <frag> yeah this i 4 months old, also not sure what to do with this apkbuild, prob outside my skills
2021-09-19 09:06:58 <ikke> you would want to build that package on 3.14 / latest-stable system
2021-09-19 09:12:35 <frag> i guess most my system is edge now, do i downgrade with 'sudo apk update && sudo apk upgrade --update-cache --available'? 
2021-09-19 09:13:36 <ikke> with upgrade --update-cache you do not need to do an update before that
2021-09-19 09:14:44 <frag> hmm, so then i have to remove the edge packages that were manually installed first? 
2021-09-19 09:18:30 <ikke> You can first try to just upgrade
2021-09-19 09:18:34 <ikke> or downgrade
2021-09-19 09:18:53 <ikke> if there is a dependency mismatch, apk will complain
2021-09-19 09:23:12 <frag> hmm i still have ledger, should i still uninstall and try to build it manually/from apk?
2021-09-19 09:23:23 <frag> ls -sh still doesnt show humna readable btw :p
2021-09-19 09:31:48 <psykose> yes, it seems to only do something with -l
2021-09-19 09:32:53 <frag> ah, yes
2021-09-19 09:32:57 <psykose> and the -h never works on blocks at all
2021-09-19 09:33:04 <psykose> it does with the gnu ls
2021-09-19 09:33:11 <psykose> is a bug probably indeed
2021-09-19 09:35:00 <frag> i guess i should reboot after downgrade
2021-09-19 09:35:02 <psykose> but the info that gives is basically the same as the -lh output anyway, so i dunno
2021-09-19 10:58:35 <frag> is there a way to temporarily keep screen awake without input (that will work on most systems, eg without xset)
2021-09-19 10:59:39 <lopid> xorg?
2021-09-19 11:00:09 <frag> lopid: yeah
2021-09-19 11:03:20 <lopid> "BlankTime": https://www.x.org/releases/X11R7.7/doc/man/man5/xorg.conf.5.xhtml
2021-09-19 11:03:55 <lopid> though not temporary
2021-09-20 04:24:12 <nektro> what's the difference between virt and netboot
2021-09-20 04:24:40 <nektro> on https://alpinelinux.org/downloads/
2021-09-20 04:25:47 <ikke> netboot is meant for booting via PXE
2021-09-20 04:26:14 <ikke> virt is just a normal installation, just with a slimmed down image (kernel + firmware)
2021-09-20 04:27:15 <nektro> gotcha
2021-09-20 04:28:39 <nektro> and then if virt is slimmed down, why does it have less platforms than standard? (has armv7 but missing ppc64le and s390x)
2021-09-20 04:30:46 <ikke> not sure exactly myself
2021-09-20 04:30:59 <ikke> there is a virt kernel for ppc64le, but not for s390x
2021-09-20 04:33:23 <nektro> thanks :D
2021-09-20 11:17:52 <skinkie> I am trying to boot a RaspberryPi4 using NFS-root via Alpine. I have this working for ArchLinux, so I my server side setup works. On Alpine I get the error "/dev/nfs: Can't open blockdev".
2021-09-20 11:18:58 <skinkie> In a post 8 years ago I noticed that nfsroot was supposed not te be supported for alpine. Is there any relevant documentation on the topic? I also notice that my initramfs is not being downloaded over TFTP, this got my interest as well.
2021-09-20 12:49:09 <minimal> skinkie: ROOT_NFS does not appear to be enabled in Alpine kernels so NFS boot won't work
2021-09-20 13:07:01 <clandmeter> I think it should work if you have a net enabled initfs
2021-09-20 13:12:10 <skinkie> minimal: I noticed that it is capable of 'booting' in initramfs, I don't think it is out of the possibilies to go from initramfs into NFS root.
2021-09-20 13:12:37 <edsonwolf> Good afternoon, after I updated the system, the chomium does not open, and it displays this message:
2021-09-20 13:12:39 <edsonwolf> https://pastebin.com/gtFgfZke
2021-09-20 13:13:00 <edsonwolf> alpine edge
2021-09-20 13:16:44 <ikke> edsonwolf: this should be fixed soon
2021-09-20 13:17:10 <ikke> or, I would expect if you ugprade, it should already be fixed
2021-09-20 13:17:17 <ikke> https://git.alpinelinux.org/aports/commit/?id=98106e224e71
2021-09-20 13:18:51 <minimal> skinkie: probably, I was referring to the typical CONFIG_ROOT_NFS (and CONFIG_IP_PNP required by that) kernel setting for NFS booting
2021-09-20 13:25:48 <skinkie> minimal: me too, I would actually be more inclined to compile a kernel supporting it, but that would directly get me out of the scope of an update path
2021-09-20 13:26:25 <skinkie> minimal: is there any possibility to interrupt the initramfs code to throw a shell?
2021-09-20 13:31:29 <edsonwolf> ikke, I updated but no update
2021-09-20 13:33:08 <ikke> what does apk version chromium return?
2021-09-20 13:33:09 <minimal> minimal: if you modify your Syslinux/Grub menu entry to add "single" then you'll get a shell before rootfs is mounted
2021-09-20 13:33:25 <minimal> doh!, skinkie ^^
2021-09-20 13:34:27 <skinkie> minimal: i'll try it with cmdline.txt ;-)
2021-09-20 13:36:41 <skinkie> I think it would be smarter if i kept console=tty1. That was my 'doh' moment.
2021-09-20 13:38:44 <minimal> skinkie: forgot it was RIP, yes change config.txt
2021-09-20 13:40:42 <skinkie> minimal: I already drop to an emergency console, so I'll try how far I can bring this.
2021-09-20 13:42:35 <minimal> skinkie: also note the comments in the initramfs' init regarding needing to include the required network driver kernel module in your initramfs: https://gitlab.alpinelinux.org/alpine/mkinitfs/-/blob/master/initramfs-init.in#L151
2021-09-20 13:47:48 <skinkie> minimal: kernel module is backed into the kernel, the actual problem is that it should *NEVER* kill the network interface using dhcp because that will loose the root partition.
2021-09-20 13:48:28 <skinkie> minimal: so by just mounting the nfs share to /sysroot and exiting the emergency shell I got a partial boot until that point.
2021-09-20 13:50:46 <minimal> skinkie: not sure what you mean by "kernel module is backed into the kernel"
2021-09-20 13:51:35 <minimal> skinkie: oh right, again its RPI - was thinking in terms of PCs where as there's multiple card vendors the network driver is loaded as module lol
2021-09-20 13:52:01 <clandmeter> Net will also include more things then just driver
2021-09-20 13:55:49 <minimal> skinkie: so at what point did the boot hang/fail?
2021-09-20 13:55:52 <skinkie> minimal: are you aware about anything that would allow the configuration of the rootfs outside of init?
2021-09-20 13:57:31 <skinkie> minimal: the root hangs when /etc/network/interfaces throws a new DHCP request, that blows away NFS, without an option to recover.
2021-09-20 13:58:20 <skinkie> So I have actually not it to work now. I just need something that my initramfs knows about my nfsroot, maybe even take it from /proc/cmdline, my ideal situation would be taking it from the DHCP request.
2021-09-20 13:58:28 <skinkie> not -> got
2021-09-20 14:03:22 <minimal> minimal: so what did you do to prevent the /etc/init.d/networking interfering? Just disable that init.d service?
2021-09-20 14:03:35 <minimal> skinkie: ^^
2021-09-20 14:09:59 <skinkie> minimal: the 'ubuntu' suggestion is to make it 'manual' instead of dhcp.
2021-09-20 14:11:26 <ikke> with ifupdown-ng, that's not really relevant
2021-09-20 14:11:30 <skinkie> minimal: but if you have an elegant suggestion for the sysroot location, I am all ears.
2021-09-20 14:12:12 <skinkie> ikke: at least 'it works' as manual, if you have a different suggestion not to touch the interface I would like to know it.
2021-09-20 14:12:54 <ikke> no, not without touching interfaces. If it's set to use dhcp, it will use dhcp
2021-09-20 14:14:17 <ikke> unless you disable the networking service, which means it will not touch anything
2021-09-20 14:14:52 <skinkie> Maybe it would be good to elaborate what I am trying to achieve. I like how Alpine is capable of booting into memory. For production I think this is a nice goal. I have yet a variety of things to check including QT5/6 support for RPI without X.org. For development I noticed how much better NFS works, in the Raspbian situation.
2021-09-20 14:14:53 <minimal> skinkie: that's why I thought about simply disabling the networking service - though you might need a dummy service to satisfy any "depends networking" in other init.d files
2021-09-20 14:15:45 <skinkie> So read-write NFS would be for development. read-only NFS would be pretty for testing. Getting everything in memory the alpine way... very cool.
2021-09-20 14:15:53 <ikke> You could just enable the loopback service I suppose
2021-09-20 14:16:33 <ikke> skinkie: why can't you touch /etc/network/interfaces?
2021-09-20 14:16:57 <skinkie> ikke: I can, I have changed dhcp->manual.
2021-09-20 14:17:09 <skinkie> that part works.
2021-09-20 14:17:14 <ikke> ok
2021-09-20 14:17:39 <skinkie> now I need a way to get my 192.168.1.2:/path/to/root mounted without typing it in the emergency shell.
2021-09-20 14:19:16 <minimal> skinkie: the init does take a "ip=" setting but that's "trapped" by the init code for other uses
2021-09-20 14:19:58 <skinkie> Forget networking :) that part works for now.
2021-09-20 14:20:51 <skinkie> Can KOPT_root be defined somewhere?
2021-09-20 14:21:07 <ikke> skinkie: that's root= cmdline
2021-09-20 14:21:20 <ikke> Any KOPT_* variable can be specified via the kernel cmdline
2021-09-20 14:22:48 <skinkie> For me, mountin root failed.
2021-09-20 14:23:02 <skinkie> root=192.168.1.2:/mnt/storage/home/alpine rootfs=nfs rootflags=nolock,noatime
2021-09-20 14:24:23 <ikke> rootfstype
2021-09-20 14:24:28 <ikke> not rootfs
2021-09-20 14:28:57 <Lynx-> can anyone explain the meaning of: "local 192.168.1.1 dev veth0 proto kernel scope host src 192.168.1.1" and what replacing veth0 with br-lan on this line would achieve?
2021-09-20 14:29:12 <Lynx-> (this is a line on local routing table)
2021-09-20 14:30:47 <Hello71> if you use nfs then it's not really from memory is it
2021-09-20 14:31:24 <ikke> Hello71: I guess a hybrid setup? rootfs in memory, with persistent storage mounted
2021-09-20 14:36:32 <minimal> ikke: ah but skinkie specifically wants rootfs via NFS
2021-09-20 14:36:46 <skinkie> Hello71: no, for developement I want NFS to prevent extreme microSD wear on a Pi.
2021-09-20 14:36:57 <skinkie> ikke: rootfstype doesn't work either.
2021-09-20 14:38:06 <psykose> as an alternate strategy you could also buy a usb stick and run alpine off that
2021-09-20 14:39:01 <skinkie> psykose: sure, but what would be the fun of that ;)
2021-09-20 14:39:14 <psykose> well it's a lot faster than nfs :p
2021-09-20 14:39:39 <skinkie> psykose: I don't know what USB sticks you are using, but 3MB/s writing is the maximum I have seen.
2021-09-20 14:39:51 <psykose> mine is about 400/400
2021-09-20 14:40:12 <psykose> granted, maybe i should run some benches
2021-09-20 14:40:27 <skinkie> ikke: I was a bit incomplete with my report, it actually reports: network unreachable.
2021-09-20 14:41:22 <skinkie> ikke: so ip=dhcp is not being picked up, and going to see if I should move the init around.
2021-09-20 14:41:54 <minimal> skinkie: "ip=dhcp" is used for the nbd support
2021-09-20 14:42:50 <psykose> afaik you need root=/dev/nfs nfsroot=ip:dir ip=dhcp
2021-09-20 14:43:17 <skinkie> minimal: that has been in here from the start, but now started to fail
2021-09-20 14:43:37 <skinkie> I guess the networking not triggered.
2021-09-20 14:43:45 <skinkie> psykose: alphine does not support /dev/nfs
2021-09-20 14:44:02 <psykose> that is highly unfortunate
2021-09-20 14:44:21 <skinkie> psykose: I concur...
2021-09-20 14:45:13 <minimal> skinkie: had another look, "ip=" is not conditional on NBD, so yes it should work
2021-09-20 14:45:35 <skinkie> minimal: did you see that do_networking is conditional for the url stuff?
2021-09-20 14:46:02 <skinkie> if [ -n "$KOPT_ip" ] || [ -n "$KOPT_nbd" ] ||  is_url "$KOPT_apkovl" || is_url "$ALPINE_REPO"; then
2021-09-20 14:46:32 <skinkie> If I can make this a feature, and I don't mind to get my hands dirty, I would just introduce the nfsroot stuff heer.
2021-09-20 14:46:56 <minimal> as I mentioned earlier the ip conifg stuff in the init is designed for specific situations, NFS booting is not one of them so you're basically "fighting" against the existing init code
2021-09-20 14:48:51 <minimal> skinkie: the problem with adding a new feature to mkinitfs is, as ncopa mentioned to me recently regarding a change MR I submitted, there is no existing test framework for mkinitfs and so there is a reluctance to add changes as this might break existing functionality without being spotted
2021-09-20 14:50:04 <skinkie> minimal: can you point mere were the 'init' actually is on the filesystem?
2021-09-20 14:50:18 <skinkie> nvm found it /usr/share/mkinitfs/initramfs-init
2021-09-20 14:52:02 <psykose> skinkie: just tested, for sequential it's 300/250 :p
2021-09-20 14:52:15 <skinkie> minimal: I think in the case of nbd stuff might fail too on two invocations of configure_ip, but maybe nobody is actively tested that. 
2021-09-20 14:52:33 <skinkie> psykose: external harddrive on a pi?
2021-09-20 14:53:02 <psykose> corsair voyager gtx 128gb, using the uas driver, rpi4b
2021-09-20 14:53:35 <psykose> just a fast and not too expensive flash drive
2021-09-20 14:54:40 <skinkie> 65 euro is something I would say is overpriced ;) 
2021-09-20 14:55:08 <psykose> a regular 128gb sata ssd is 40, and then adding an enclosure that supports 3.1 would make it 60
2021-09-20 14:55:16 <psykose> so.. it's a normal ssd
2021-09-20 14:55:47 <skinkie> minimal: the person you mentioned ncopa, can I reach him/her somewhere?
2021-09-20 14:57:48 <skinkie> psykose: makes sense
2021-09-20 15:01:45 <mps> ssd disk over usb 3.1 port is what I use for development on arm
2021-09-20 15:02:29 <mps> with sata to usb adapater, ofc
2021-09-20 15:16:36 <skinkie> minimal: it works, 'small' change to mkinitrd-init, moving the rootfs after the networking, before single mode.
2021-09-20 15:17:35 <skinkie> The more elegant way would in my opinion taking the DHCP variable, but don't know if udhcpc could expose that.
2021-09-20 15:19:07 <ikke> Would be nice if we had a 'plugin' like system for mkinitfs
2021-09-20 15:19:20 <ikke> with hooks and things
2021-09-20 15:19:26 <skinkie> ikke: removing the bloat in all other situations?
2021-09-20 15:19:56 <skinkie> ikke: given that it does support 'modules' in such way that would make sense.
2021-09-20 15:23:52 <eris[m]1> does anyone here know much about wine? it doesnt want to acknowledge that i have wine-mono installed
2021-09-20 15:30:33 <eris[m]1> ive resorted to using wine inside a debian chroot, but it's unwilling to acknowledge my audio
2021-09-20 15:30:41 <eris[m]1> be it pulse or alsa i try to get it to use
2021-09-20 15:53:17 <skinkie> What is the recommended way to make packages for alpine?
2021-09-20 15:54:17 <ikke> https://wiki.alpinelinux.org/wiki/Creating_an_Alpine_package
2021-09-20 15:55:10 <minimal> ikke: making initramfs' init modular is what ncopa suggested
2021-09-20 15:55:33 <minimal> skinkie: ncopa is the BDFL of Alpine Linux :-)
2021-09-20 15:55:57 <ikke> Officially not anymore :)
2021-09-20 15:55:58 <skinkie> ikke: I am on that page, but I am a bit lost.
2021-09-20 15:57:22 <ikke> skinkie: what part are you lost on?
2021-09-20 15:57:26 <skinkie> ikke: if I want to provide a build of QT for Rpi4.
2021-09-20 15:57:43 <skinkie> I notice here is one for X86
2021-09-20 15:57:44 <skinkie> https://git.alpinelinux.org/aports/tree/community/qt5-qtbase/APKBUILD?id=f633e12bef9372cbed58d83e445cf36e291ea702
2021-09-20 15:58:19 <ikke> skinkie: it should already exist
2021-09-20 15:58:28 <ikke> skinkie: we do not have different packages for different arches
2021-09-20 15:58:41 <ikke> skinkie: we have one package, that is then built for all / several arches
2021-09-20 15:58:54 <skinkie> https://pkgs.alpinelinux.org/packages?name=qt&branch=edge&arch=aarch64
2021-09-20 15:59:10 <ikke> it's not called 'qt'
2021-09-20 15:59:26 <skinkie> As an user I expect a search to help me.
2021-09-20 15:59:32 <Hello71> lol
2021-09-20 15:59:56 <ikke> https://pkgs.alpinelinux.org/package/edge/community/aarch64/qt5-qtbase
2021-09-20 16:00:18 <ikke> Due to reasons, you need to use wildcards
2021-09-20 16:02:26 <skinkie> ikke: if I would like to make a specific QT5 version for a RPI. For example without X11. Is such 'supported' or 'stimulated' by alpine?
2021-09-20 16:06:47 <mps> skinkie: yes. build it locally and use it
2021-09-20 16:11:46 <psykose> qt5-qtbase doesn't depend on anything x11
2021-09-20 16:11:48 <psykose> unless i can't read
2021-09-20 16:12:16 <psykose> ah it does pull in libx11
2021-09-20 16:12:35 <ikke> https://pkgs.alpinelinux.org/package/edge/community/aarch64/qt5-qtbase-x11
2021-09-20 16:13:47 <psykose> bare qtbase pulls in a few x packages via xdg-utils in the dep tree
2021-09-20 16:14:01 <psykose> but overall it's not really... uhh, that heavy or meaningful to just use it anyway
2021-09-20 16:14:36 <skinkie> Any suggestion how I can find out what provides this: /usr/lib/xorg/modules/dri/vc4_dri.so
2021-09-20 16:14:48 <skinkie> I am trying to use QT_QPA_PLATFORM=eglfs
2021-09-20 16:15:22 <mps> skinkie: apk info -W /usr/lib/xorg/modules/dri/vc4_dri.so
2021-09-20 16:16:26 <skinkie> mps: I don't have it installed. That is the actual problem.
2021-09-20 16:17:00 <ikke> https://pkgs.alpinelinux.org/contents?file=vc4_dri.so&path=&name=&branch=edge
2021-09-20 16:17:11 <mps> what? you don't have apk?
2021-09-20 16:17:38 <skinkie> ERROR: /usr/lib/xorg/modules/dri/vc4_dri.so: Could not find owner package
2021-09-20 16:17:39 <mps> /usr/lib/xorg/modules/dri/vc4_dri.so is owned by mesa-dri-gallium-21.2.1-r1
2021-09-20 16:18:14 <mps> then you system is not in 'clean' state
2021-09-20 16:18:29 <skinkie> How did I end up there :(
2021-09-20 16:19:10 <ikke> No, it just means you do not have the package installed
2021-09-20 16:19:19 <ikke> unless you say the file is present on your disk
2021-09-20 16:19:20 <mps> maybe 'apk fix' can help
2021-09-20 16:20:07 <skinkie> Do you want to hear a true bug...? Harfbuzz is broken in Alpine :(
2021-09-20 16:20:20 <skinkie> Error relocating /usr/lib/libQt5WebEngineCore.so.5: hb_subset_input_set_drop_hints: symbol not found <- this is due to harfbuzz 3
2021-09-20 16:20:35 <ikke> skinkie: these things have been fixed
2021-09-20 16:20:43 <ikke> they apparently relied on internal harfbuzz APIs
2021-09-20 16:21:10 <ikke> http://dup.pw/alpine/aports/1db387374490
2021-09-20 16:21:12 <skinkie> ikke: sadly I am aware, because I was the first reporter for gentoo.
2021-09-20 16:21:14 <skinkie> file:///home/skinkie/npo-pyside/browser.qml:3:1: plugin cannot be loaded for module "QtWebEngine": Cannot load library /usr/lib/qt5/qml/QtWebEngine/libqtwebengineplugin.so: (Error relocating /usr/lib/libQt5WebEngineCore.so.5: hb_subset_input_set_drop_hints: symbol not found)
2021-09-20 16:21:52 <ikke> Do you have qt5-qtwebengine-5.15.3_git20210510-r7?
2021-09-20 16:22:16 <skinkie> I type "apk add qt5-qtwebengine" I get "OK"
2021-09-20 16:22:36 <ikke> apk version qt5-qtwebengine
2021-09-20 16:22:43 <ikke> apk add does not automatically upgrade packages
2021-09-20 16:22:54 <ikke> apk add --upgrade qt5-qtwebengine
2021-09-20 16:22:54 <skinkie> t5-qtwebengine-5.15.3_git20210510-r6   = 5.15.3_git20210510-r6
2021-09-20 16:22:57 <ikke> r6
2021-09-20 16:22:59 <ikke> so you need r7
2021-09-20 16:23:26 <skinkie> This system has just installed these packages, so this 'just' happened?
2021-09-20 16:23:42 <mps> apk add -u (-u for upgrade)
2021-09-20 16:24:24 <ikke> 15 minutes ago, so it's probably still syncing with the mirrors
2021-09-20 16:24:36 <ikke> oh, still even building
2021-09-20 16:24:51 <ikke> builders are busy
2021-09-20 16:27:01 <ikke> See: https://build.alpinelinux.org/
2021-09-20 16:28:18 <skinkie> ikke: if 'this' works, alpine is about 1GB lighter than my rasbian installation, but still almost 1GB in size
2021-09-20 16:44:11 <skinkie> minimal ikke thanks for helping out today, my MVP now runs on alpine
2021-09-20 16:44:31 <ikke> cool
2021-09-20 16:44:57 <minimal> skinkie: interested to see the resultant diff/changes for the initramfs init
2021-09-20 16:45:06 <skinkie> minimal: sure!
2021-09-20 16:49:01 <skinkie> minimal: I'll try to incorporate the rootpath eventually. http://stefan.konink.de/nfs-mkinitfs.diff
2021-09-20 16:50:07 <skinkie> Now I have a 'full installation' is the idea for alpine with 'diskless' tell the system what to install at boot time, and just 'forget'?
2021-09-20 16:53:37 <minimal> I only use Sys mode mself (full install to disk) but AFAIK the usual run-from-ram mode uses the LBU config file to know what packages to install on top of the base system and whatever config files are stored in the LBU config tarball. Persistent is obtained by using the "lbu" utility to update the config info on the boot medium (i.e. SDcard or USB stick)
2021-09-20 16:55:13 <ikke> yeah, it uses an apk overlay file (apk ovl)
2021-09-20 16:55:36 <ikke> this is a tarball with an overlay over the rootfs, which includes /etc/apk/world (the packages to install)
2021-09-20 16:57:07 <skinkie> ikke: i'll investigate my options, ideally I would like to be able to just provide my rootfs, have that copied to ram and discard
2021-09-20 16:57:33 <ikke> skinkie: what would be the advantage over an apkovl?
2021-09-20 16:57:44 <skinkie> ikke: don't store it twice on the server
2021-09-20 16:59:50 <minimal> I've been meaning to get cloud-init working with Alpine's run-from-ram mode
2021-09-20 17:01:51 <minimal> that would give you configurable yet "disposable" machines
2021-09-20 17:02:50 <skinkie> ikke: what is the startingpoint to move from sys to diskless if taking apk ovl?
2021-09-20 17:03:09 <ikke> skinkie: run-from-ram is just live iso + apkovl
2021-09-20 17:03:42 <skinkie> ikke: but now I have a sysroot, what is the route to make that a 'live iso'?
2021-09-20 17:05:42 <frag> is there a place to see new packages being worked on?
2021-09-20 17:05:54 <ikke> frag: gitlab merge requests
2021-09-20 17:05:54 <frag> in repo
2021-09-20 17:06:15 <frag> ah, the javescript page :p
2021-09-20 17:07:04 <Misthios> if you want to make a script or something u could use: https://docs.gitlab.com/ee/api/merge_requests.html#list-merge-requests
2021-09-20 17:07:32 <ikke> there is already a tool called glab
2021-09-20 17:07:44 <ikke> that allows you to interract via the CLI
2021-09-20 17:08:16 <Misthios> o
2021-09-20 17:08:42 <frag> i just heard someone is working on tg (telegram cli, not the one already in repo) package for alpine
2021-09-20 17:09:11 <ikke> frag: well, that might be on their own machine
2021-09-20 17:09:14 <frag> dunno if they got far enough to register it
2021-09-20 17:09:21 <frag> mhm
2021-09-20 17:09:23 <ikke> might not be public yet
2021-09-20 17:09:46 <ikke> New packages typically start in the testing repository
2021-09-20 17:09:51 <ikke> aports/testing
2021-09-20 17:47:28 <erik_> I am new to diskless installations and have a question about mounting on boot. I have an fstab entry to automatically mount an nfs4 type, but it doesn't work on boot (presumably because nfs-utils is not installed yet from cache). Is there a way to make it mount automatically without resorting to manually doing 'mount -a' after boot?
2021-09-20 17:47:38 <skinkie> ikke: regarding the 'push everythin in ram' is something like zram at a certain amount in concert with a mountable root location something that is considered?
2021-09-20 17:47:46 <skinkie> erik_: I solved this today :)
2021-09-20 17:49:20 <skinkie> erik_: if you want to have it like rootfs, you need a minor modification in your mkinitfs-init
2021-09-20 17:50:02 <skinkie> erik_: This is my patch that makes it work; http://stefan.konink.de/nfs-mkinitfs.diff
2021-09-20 18:38:10 <Guest428> i want to contribute to a project with cryptography for free , do you know some one?
2021-09-20 18:39:18 <skinkie> In the pkgs repository there is zram-init, but it does not have the kernel module. Is the kernel module out of tree?
2021-09-20 18:39:55 <skinkie> Never mind, I have probably missed that the modules folder was updated.
2021-09-20 19:19:53 <skinkie> Getting everything (1GB) in zram takes 30s. That is still quite some time. But a great experiment.
2021-09-21 10:38:19 <frag> tesseract has all languages except english in 3.14 repo or im missing something?
2021-09-21 10:40:28 <frag> could "enm" be enlgish? :S
2021-09-21 10:46:29 <frag> it also seem to just keep working and never finish with a single pic: 'tesseract t.jpg t'
2021-09-21 11:06:59 <frag> youtube-dl from 3,14: "tdl_hook: It appears that your youtube-dl version is severely out of date."
2021-09-21 11:15:54 <mercenary> for youtube-dl, anything over 2 weeks is out of date :p
2021-09-21 11:16:44 <frag> hmm it worked on a youtube link but not on a twitter link
2021-09-21 11:21:51 <frag> hmm but 3.14 and edge seem to have the same version 2021.06.06
2021-09-21 11:27:55 <frag> huh, seems its   the latest v https://github.com/ytdl-org/youtube-dl
2021-09-21 11:28:02 <frag> i dont understand anything :S
2021-09-21 13:33:02 <frag> what does it mean when you have to use "killall -9 processame" (as compared to 
2021-09-21 13:33:08 <frag> just killall processname
2021-09-21 13:33:42 <Habbie> it means the process is not ending when it receives SIGTERM (the Terminate signal, which is the default signal sent by kill and killall)
2021-09-21 13:33:49 <Habbie> -9 is SIGKILL (see kill -l) and processes cannot ignore it
2021-09-21 13:34:40 <frag> hmm
2021-09-21 13:35:21 <ikke> (and the process has no way to safely shutdown either)
2021-09-21 13:37:20 <frag> why could that be? (its a standalone notification window/application, run in the background with 'setsid nohup $@ &> /dev/null &')
2021-09-21 13:38:19 <frag> it mostly works but sometiems it doesnt close itself (should close through a alarm(3);)
2021-09-21 13:38:36 <frag> not sure if its the app itself of wm thats the problem..
2021-09-21 13:38:43 <ikke> If the program has a signal handler for sigquit and is in some kind of stuck loop
2021-09-21 13:38:58 <Habbie> alarm(3) sends a delayed signal too
2021-09-21 13:39:05 <Habbie> so it does sound like a bug in signal handling in that app
2021-09-21 13:40:03 <frag> surprised the alarm(3) fails tho..
2021-09-21 16:06:38 <jimw> I'm stuck in the X server, and I can't get out!
2021-09-21 16:07:15 <ikke> stuck in what sense?
2021-09-21 16:07:19 <artok> ctrl-alt-f1 doesn't get you onto normal console?
2021-09-21 16:08:23 <jimw> I'm trying to use FLWM.  My .xinitrc is pared down to "flwm".  When I exit flwm via its menu, it starts *two* flwms.  I can kill 'em, and it exits.
2021-09-21 16:09:05 <jimw> Looks nice when it's running, though.
2021-09-21 16:09:35 <jimw> Didn't try ctl-alt-f1.  I'll try that now.
2021-09-21 16:12:32 <jimw> artok: Nope.  ctl-al-f2 gets me to a new terminal, though.  ctl-alt-f1 seems completely impotent.  At least there's still only one flwm running.
2021-09-21 16:14:03 <ikke> yes, your graphical session runs under tty1
2021-09-21 16:14:37 <jimw> and runs, and runs, and runs...
2021-09-21 16:18:30 <jimw> With both wms running server responds to mouse movements, but not button presses.  If I kill just one of the wms, it responds to presses again.  Tres strange!
2021-09-21 16:19:07 <jimw> Dueling flwms.  Who will emerge victorious?
2021-09-21 16:22:46 <eris[m]> <jimw> "I'm trying to use FLWM.  My ...." <- `exec flwm` should be the final line, no?
2021-09-21 16:24:46 <jimw> eris[m]: I tried the "exec ...", the behaviour is unchanged.  I tried the simpler .xinitrc on my Fedora box, and it works there.
2021-09-21 16:25:01 <eris[m]> hmm 
2021-09-21 16:25:09 <eris[m]> that's super weird 
2021-09-21 16:25:28 <eris[m]> i dont know anything about the mess that is xinit; i use a different piece of software 
2021-09-21 16:25:29 <jimw> I wonder if there's some sort of weird fork/exec/kill inside flwm.  Let me try another minimalist WM and see if that works.
2021-09-21 16:25:35 <eris[m]> yea, maybe?
2021-09-21 16:25:47 <eris[m]> im using bspwm; which is in the repos 
2021-09-21 16:26:17 <jimw> I'll check that out.  Thanks, eris[m].
2021-09-21 17:34:57 <jimw> eris[m]: .xinitrc set to "exec flwm -x" made it work. Docs say it changes menu from "Logout" to "Exit", and the behavior accordingly.  In fact, menu stays "Exit", but -x makes it do what it says.
2021-09-21 17:35:32 <eris[m]> ahh!!
2021-09-21 21:43:40 <skinkie> I now have a zram integration in initramfs. It is still pretty tied to my implementation. But I think it could be of general use.
2021-09-22 02:25:43 <shrizza> Anyone know the proper way to adjust $PATH for a non-root user?
2021-09-22 02:26:06 <shrizza> ($SHELL is ash)
2021-09-22 04:22:46 <ikke> shrizza: it depends on whether you start with a login shell or not
2021-09-22 04:23:01 <ikke> shrizza: but you can add it to .profile if you start with a login shell
2021-09-22 04:23:23 <shrizza> I'm just starting xterms in X.
2021-09-22 04:23:59 <ikke> ok, it means you have to login again after you set it to make it effective
2021-09-22 04:24:07 <shrizza> I wanted to add a bin directory in my home.
2021-09-22 04:24:20 <shrizza> Ah, I see.
2021-09-22 04:24:32 <shrizza> Thanks for that.
2021-09-22 04:25:08 <shrizza> Also relogin after any changes to .profile?
2021-09-22 04:26:44 <ikke> shrizza: how do you start your X sessionA
2021-09-22 04:26:55 <shrizza> startx
2021-09-22 04:27:14 <ikke> ok, so you first login to the TTY
2021-09-22 04:27:22 <shrizza> Yes.
2021-09-22 04:27:29 <ikke> ok, that should give you the login shell
2021-09-22 04:27:48 <ikke> so you first change .profile the adjust your PATH
2021-09-22 04:27:51 <freqk> hi
2021-09-22 04:27:52 <ikke> then you login again to the tty
2021-09-22 04:27:54 <freqk> might poop before bed
2021-09-22 04:28:24 <shrizza> I see. Thanks ikke!
2021-09-22 07:26:32 <Grabunhold> it's reproducible on fresh 3.14 installs.
2021-09-22 07:26:32 <Grabunhold> i've ran apk update; apk upgrade and got a new chromium version on the 3.14 based machines. unfortunately, that version just bombs out with a stack trace: https://0bin.net/paste/mdC3NgmP#iwdUnc20wQrN1NuhXA3QHLiH4M7cPTPWEERPyIe+1u8
2021-09-22 07:26:32 <Grabunhold> older installs that are still on 3.12 don't show that behaviour (and of course got much older chrome versions as well)
2021-09-22 07:26:32 <Grabunhold> i've got a bunch of alpine bare metal installs that serve as webkiosks, they display a fullscreen chromium.
2021-09-22 07:26:47 <Grabunhold> we're testing with 3.13 now
2021-09-22 07:31:28 <Grabunhold> 3.13 works fine, also got the older chromium version there so no surprise
2021-09-22 07:32:52 <ikke> and edge?
2021-09-22 07:41:15 <Grabunhold> not tried yet, will do
2021-09-22 08:15:37 <Grabunhold> is there a version of edge that includes the virtio drivers? alpine-edge-140416-x86_64.iso does not seem to have them
2021-09-22 08:16:45 <ikke> Grabunhold: It's easier to start with 3.14 and then upgrade to edge
2021-09-22 08:16:56 <ikke> The iso's for edge are really old
2021-09-22 08:17:23 <Grabunhold> ikke: ah, okay thanks
2021-09-22 08:20:01 <PureTryOut> Old indeed, I think that iso is literally of the 16th of April, 2014
2021-09-22 08:25:22 <Grabunhold> oh wow, i didn't recognize it as a date
2021-09-22 08:39:19 <Grabunhold> okay, upgraded a test-host from 3.14 to edge and ansible is running for my webkiosk setup 
2021-09-22 08:44:02 <Grabunhold> error is still reproducible
2021-09-22 08:57:53 <Grabunhold> error is still the same, too
2021-09-22 09:02:24 <Grabunhold> the chromium version went from chromium-93.0.4577.82-r0 to chromium-93.0.4577.82-r1
2021-09-22 09:06:05 <ikke> Wonder why it's crashing, there are people who are using chromium
2021-09-22 09:06:16 <ikke> Anything specific about your environment?
2021-09-22 09:08:35 <Grabunhold> not sure, we've reproduced it on 8 different machines from different manufacturers so i'm rather sure it's not the hardware. they all got touchscreens, so maybe it has something to do with that
2021-09-22 09:10:49 <Grabunhold> other than that it's a pretty standard alpine install. ansible adds a user, stuffs the user into the "video" and "input" groups and chromium is run via xinitrc.
2021-09-22 09:10:49 <Grabunhold> chromium options: chromium-browser --disable-pinch --password-store=basic --kiosk --window-position=0,0 --window-size=1600,900 --app=https://internal.example.com
2021-09-22 09:12:21 <Grabunhold> i've just eliminiated the window position and window size options to make sure that's not the problem, but it makes no difference
2021-09-22 09:14:08 <Grabunhold> okay, even bringing it down to just "chromium-browser htts://internal.example.com" didn't change anything
2021-09-22 09:14:53 <Grabunhold> changing the website to google.com didn't help either, so it's not something about the internal website
2021-09-22 09:19:15 <ikke> Maybe you could open an issue on gitlab.alpinelinux.org?
2021-09-22 09:25:58 <Grabunhold> will do
2021-09-22 09:29:14 <Grabunhold> will take some time to sort things out internally here, is there an easy way to downgrade the chromium package or alpine itself?
2021-09-22 09:29:50 <Grabunhold> i've got the feeling that i will bork my install if i just change the URLs for the repos like you do during upgrade...
2021-09-22 09:30:36 <ikke> yes, and make sure to provde --available to to the upgrade command
2021-09-22 09:31:18 <Grabunhold> okay so downgrading is possible? works like an upgrade?
2021-09-22 09:31:38 <ikke> yes
2021-09-22 09:31:59 <Grabunhold> phantastic :) that will save me a lot of work
2021-09-22 10:47:17 <Grabunhold> the downgrade worked flawlessly, i'm impressed
2021-09-22 10:52:21 <skinkie> mkinitfs supports "custom_files" how can one specify multiple files?
2021-09-22 10:52:22 <skinkie> for file in "$custom_files"; do
2021-09-22 10:52:28 <skinkie> https://github.com/alpinelinux/mkinitfs/blob/master/mkinitfs.in#L155
2021-09-22 10:53:18 <ikke> skinkie: I assume in mkinifs.conf
2021-09-22 10:53:56 <skinkie> ikke: my question is on the syntax custom_files="/media/fbsplash/fbsplash.ppm /media/fbsplash/fbsplash-90.ppm" is a no can do
2021-09-22 10:54:42 <ikke> It looks for the file relative to $basedir
2021-09-22 10:55:27 <skinkie> The error I receive for the 'second' file is sh: /media/fbsplash/fbsplash-90.ppm: unknown operand
2021-09-22 10:57:13 <skinkie> ikke: there is a bug, the " " should be removed. Should I make a pull request somewhere?
2021-09-22 10:57:26 <ikke> skinkie: yes
2021-09-22 11:01:43 <skinkie> ikke: suggestion in which project mkinitfs is located?
2021-09-22 11:02:09 <ikke> https://gitlab.alpinelinux.org/alpine/mkinitfs
2021-09-22 11:05:55 <skinkie> ikke: done.
2021-09-22 12:06:44 <skinkie> ikke: at what phase would it be good to start a discussion to overhaul the initramfs-init?
2021-09-22 12:07:31 <ikke> Probably somewhere after the next release scheduled for november
2021-09-22 12:08:10 <ikke> But you could start by already sending a proposal / discussion to the alpine-devel mailing list
2021-09-22 12:20:46 <minimal> skinkie: I guess the first stage, based on ncopa's comments, is to discuss a test framework for mkinitfs
2021-09-22 12:22:16 <minimal> skinkie: see his comments here: https://gitlab.alpinelinux.org/alpine/mkinitfs/-/merge_requests/86
2021-09-22 12:26:13 <Grabunhold> https://gitlab.alpinelinux.org/alpine/aports/-/issues/13029
2021-09-22 12:26:20 <Grabunhold> bug report for the chromium issue
2021-09-22 19:48:23 <xaltsc> Hey, what's the lightest DM you can think of (for usage by laypeople, with Alpine, probably not on edge) ?
2021-09-22 19:49:21 <lopid> for layfolk? i would say xfce, but i hear it has gotten heavier lately
2021-09-22 19:49:32 <lopid> maybe fvwm
2021-09-22 19:51:37 <xaltsc> lopid: my first thought was xfce, but I've heard the same thing. The hardware is a RPi 3B.
2021-09-22 19:53:25 <xaltsc> I think I have to stick with the look/feel of Windows/OS X/Ubuntu.
2021-09-22 19:56:17 <xaltsc> Maybe LXQt is lighter ?
2021-09-22 20:35:17 <user____> xfce4 has standard features, and is not too heavy on Devuan here.
2021-09-22 20:35:28 <user____> Other wm's may be "too crude"
2021-09-22 20:36:07 <user____> A better question is, what file manager to use. Thunar is heavy and eudev/dbus dependent iirc
2021-09-22 20:36:24 <user____> I use it here but this is not Alpine... and not a small install.
2021-09-22 20:37:23 <user____> Wow this Wednesday was really slow.
2021-09-22 20:37:39 <user____> Midnight here soon, gone
2021-09-22 20:41:34 <lopid> maybe
2021-09-22 20:42:27 <lopid> my thunar is light and doesn't use eudev/dbus
2021-09-22 21:12:22 <skinkie> Is there any package having rpi-eeprom in alpine?
2021-09-22 21:19:22 <xordspar0> skinkie: https://pkgs.alpinelinux.org/contents?file=pieeprom*&path=&name=&branch=edge
2021-09-22 21:19:42 <psykose> skinkie: nope
2021-09-22 21:21:31 <skinkie> xordspar0: I think raspberrypi-usbboot indeed has it. It just has a pretty old firmware.
2021-09-22 21:31:40 <skinkie> xordspar0: i do see rpi-eeprom-config in there, but the update-pieeprom.sh does not seem to 'flash'. now looking if vcgencmd is available somewhere, then the upstream git repo might work
2021-09-22 21:35:39 <skinkie> raspberrypi package provides that.
2021-09-23 00:48:08 <freeit> I'm using alpine 3.14 on a raspi. How do I prevent crond from logging to /var/log/messages ?
2021-09-23 00:49:28 <Guest544> @freeit do you want to do this in order to save on writes?
2021-09-23 00:57:49 <freeit> Since I log into a tmpfs for this purpose, this is not in the foreground. Rather, I am missing the overview in the log file.
2021-09-23 00:59:41 <freeit> Since I have quite a few cron jobs running.
2021-09-23 01:06:10 <jeffreybenzos[m]> what the literal fuck
2021-09-23 01:06:16 <jeffreybenzos[m]> "unknown filesystem type ext4"
2021-09-23 01:11:13 <raven523> it sounds like maybe you booted with a kernel that isn't installed anymore so it couldn't load the ext4 module
2021-09-23 01:18:15 <jeffreybenzos[m]> is there a way to fix that on the live system?
2021-09-23 01:18:42 <raven523> modprobe ext4?
2021-09-23 01:20:11 <jeffreybenzos[m]> huh. module not found.
2021-09-23 01:20:36 <raven523> something seems broken
2021-09-23 01:20:49 <jeffreybenzos[m]> nah, i have btrfs primarily
2021-09-23 01:21:05 <jeffreybenzos[m]> adding e2fsprogs didn't fix it either, nvm
2021-09-23 01:22:22 <jeffreybenzos[m]> fk it let's break something
2021-09-23 01:24:00 <jeffreybenzos[m]> ah fuck, is openssl still pissed
2021-09-23 01:26:57 <jeffreybenzos[m]> ass.
2021-09-23 02:16:59 <zcrayfish> freeit: I believe what you need to do is edit (or create) /etc/sysconfig/crond and set the CRON_OPTS variable to whatever you want it to log to.... perhaps "-L /dev/null" ??
2021-09-23 02:17:14 <zcrayfish> just a guess, but hope it puts you in the right direction
2021-09-23 06:16:57 <xaltsc> user____: the file manager has never been used for anything, just a web browser will suffice. Anyway, I can still test this Alpine+LXQt+Midori light install and see how ppl feel with it; change it if they don't like it.
2021-09-23 12:46:53 <arahael> ?
2021-09-23 12:46:59 <arahael> Wrong window.
2021-09-23 13:52:11 <edsonwolf> Good morning, do you know btop? Very awesome, I compiled it on alpine, I look great.
2021-09-23 13:52:24 <edsonwolf> https://terminalroot.com.br/2021/09/monitore-seu-sistema-com-btoppp.html
2021-09-23 13:53:01 <edsonwolf> https://ibb.co/9pGxTzJ
2021-09-23 13:53:07 <edsonwolf> my notebook
2021-09-23 13:58:40 <psykose> be bottom
2021-09-23 14:07:54 <PureTryOut> Has anyone had any luck getting Plymouth to work on Alpine?
2021-09-23 21:29:47 <nescafe> Is there a way to persist boot option vsyscall=emulate in /boot/extlinux.conf across upgrades?
2021-09-23 21:32:20 <Hello71> /boot/update-extlinux.conf
2021-09-23 21:32:20 <psykose> /etc/update-extlinux.conf is where you want to put it, the /boot one gets generated from it
2021-09-23 21:32:24 <Hello71> er, etc.
2021-09-23 21:36:15 <nescafe> Great! Thanks!
2021-09-23 21:36:24 <nescafe> It works :)
2021-09-24 02:46:30 <edsonwolf> nescafe, ran update-extlinux ?
2021-09-24 04:01:23 <nescafe> Yep
2021-09-24 04:30:52 <timothywcrane> I am creating a Kubernetes cluster on 4 nodes @ 12Vcores/46RAM/TBSSD. Right now they are sitting with the initialized OS on them, Ubuntu 20.04 server. I know alpine is trim, but is it robust enough for the host OS or just for kernel provisioning in a container state?
2021-09-24 04:31:47 <timothywcrane> even as a long time debian user I find Ubuntu overhead Sudumb.
2021-09-24 04:32:16 <ikke> Alpine Linux can certainly run as a host
2021-09-24 04:33:34 <timothywcrane> for bare metal, (or vmetal in this case) OTB repos or apk have to be sought after for versioning outside of dockerhub?
2021-09-24 04:33:45 <timothywcrane> sorry if that sounds naive
2021-09-24 04:34:03 <timothywcrane> out of the box OTB
2021-09-24 04:34:25 <ikke> You mean if you want to keep exact versions of packages?
2021-09-24 04:34:50 <timothywcrane> LOL
2021-09-24 04:35:56 <timothywcrane> reading about the package manager now.
2021-09-24 04:36:47 <ikke> Alpine Linux is full distro with a package manager. You can install packages very easily ootb
2021-09-24 04:38:53 <timothywcrane> not being nitpicky Alpine will only search package names... that's how space is saved, library throw out. Names are good enough for me. I like apt-cache show over that Plasma Discovery shit anyday.Looks good, one last question, not ZFS by default is is?
2021-09-24 04:39:58 <timothywcrane> nice docs on comparisons
2021-09-24 04:40:07 <ikke> No, we do not use zfs by default
2021-09-24 04:40:17 <timothywcrane> especially as a deb user
2021-09-24 04:44:18 <timothywcrane> hard to see Setting this in Debian is slightly more complicated (package management levels) after doing it for so long... but a tilde is a lot shorter a flag than labeling all the repos. I like. short, sweet. I'll take 4. Have a good night.
2021-09-24 11:41:49 <edsonwolf> Good morning, I installed the Enlightenment package, but I can't find documents teaching how to use it, I couldn't even start it.
2021-09-24 11:50:35 <lopid> it is often the case, alas
2021-09-24 11:50:56 <lopid> check for a -docs package
2021-09-24 11:51:42 <lopid> -doc rather
2021-09-24 18:25:57 <Saijin_Naib[m]> <xaltsc> "Hey, what's the lightest DM..." <- Testing here, XFCE 4.16 by far. Runs with less RAM than LXQT, and system load is basically indistinguishable
2021-09-24 18:26:14 <Saijin_Naib[m]> I would much prefer LXDE, especially the Arch Linux fork with GTK3 and Wayland support
2021-09-24 18:27:00 <Saijin_Naib[m]> Speaking of, does anyone know how much time/effort that would cost to get into our repositories (Arch Linux lxde-gtk3)?
2021-09-24 18:39:50 <frag> can on use 'find' to search for two extensions at the same time?
2021-09-24 18:42:41 <psykose> https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/15308/how-to-use-find-command-to-search-for-multiple-extensions
2021-09-24 18:49:23 <frag> ah thanks :]
2021-09-24 19:04:20 <oneinsect> anyone here
2021-09-24 19:11:35 <psykose> nope
2021-09-24 19:12:57 <jn> me neither ;)
2021-09-24 19:13:16 <ikke> I'm definitely not here
2021-09-24 19:28:35 <Saijin_Naib[m]> psykose, I'm pretty sure you helped me get abuild up and running to build my test kernel. Thanks to your help, Nataneal merged my kernel config tweaks to enable mouse/hardware on my laptop (and similar Intel reference platforms)
2021-09-24 19:28:58 <psykose> i'm glad it works finally :)
2021-09-24 19:29:27 <Saijin_Naib[m]> Me too! I wasn't able to clean up and squash my commits properly (just added a ton more trying to figure that out, haha), but I guess it was okay enough
2021-09-24 19:29:57 <psykose> don't worry about it too much :p
2021-09-24 19:30:07 <Saijin_Naib[m]> Now I have to figure out abuild more... I got glogg building locally, so I'd like to try and submit that
2021-09-24 19:30:40 <Saijin_Naib[m]> I'm worried though because I read that to get into community one needs to support with backports/fixes and yeah, not happening for me
2021-09-24 19:30:48 <Saijin_Naib[m]> I can barely figure out the git workflow
2021-09-24 19:31:21 <psykose> backports/fixes for 6 months, 1 release cycle
2021-09-24 19:31:26 <psykose> it's not too hard
2021-09-24 19:32:54 <ikke> We try to be helpful
2021-09-24 19:33:44 <Saijin_Naib[m]> Hmm... Is there a documentation page describing what that means, practically, for the maintainer? Like, I don't think glogg has had any updates for a few years now. So... What would I be backporting and fixing?
2021-09-24 19:34:06 <Saijin_Naib[m]> Just making sure it still builds or something?
2021-09-24 19:34:11 <ikke> Yes
2021-09-24 19:34:38 <Saijin_Naib[m]> Oh, okay. And if it breaks and I can't figure it out... I just ask to have it removed?
2021-09-24 19:35:00 <ikke> That's a possibility, yes
2021-09-24 19:35:55 <Saijin_Naib[m]> Hmm... Okay. I guess I can handle that
2021-09-24 19:36:17 <Saijin_Naib[m]> There's a ton of stuff I would like to see in Alpine, so I'm trying to make what I can have happen, happen
2021-09-24 19:36:42 <Saijin_Naib[m]> But if it doesn't compile without patches/changes I pretty much walk away because that means it is way over my head already
2021-09-24 19:36:51 <ikke> That's fine
2021-09-24 22:52:36 <jrdbeau> Hi, I've just installed 3.14.2 ppc64le on an IBM P9 system (9006-12p) and can't see the Mellanox ConnectX-5 adapter. Perhaps missing module?
2021-09-25 01:14:37 <wolf_> Good night, I had to format my machine, I have a problem, the apk doesn't find some packages like, parole, chromium and others, and I don't understand why.
2021-09-25 01:14:52 <wolf_> https://pastebin.com/R2Vx0Zkg
2021-09-25 01:17:34 <psykose> chromium is only in edge
2021-09-25 01:17:57 <psykose> or er
2021-09-25 01:17:59 <psykose> no, it's not
2021-09-25 01:18:00 <psykose> my mistake
2021-09-25 01:20:48 <psykose> i seem to be able to get chromium from those mirrors, are you by any chance not on x86_64 or aarch64
2021-09-25 08:14:42 <frag> anyone using webkit2gtk browser as daily driver? do you have any problems? one funciton on my netbank seem not to work on surf/vimb
2021-09-25 09:25:39 <dngray[m]> frag: i probably wouldn't as it would be rather easy to fingerprint/track you
2021-09-25 10:53:34 <wolf_> psykose, good morning, I'm leaving x86_64
2021-09-25 10:54:04 <ikke> wolf_: what arch are you on?
2021-09-25 10:55:36 <wolf_> I had to format my machine, I have a problem, the apk doesn't find some packages like, parole, chromium and others, and I don't understand why.
2021-09-25 10:55:43 <ikke> wolf_: what arch are you on?
2021-09-25 10:55:47 <wolf_> https://pastebin.com/R2Vx0Zkg
2021-09-25 10:56:09 <ikke> apk --print-arch
2021-09-25 10:56:53 <wolf_> x86
2021-09-25 10:57:06 <ikke> we do not have chromium for x86
2021-09-25 10:57:09 <ikke> just like parole
2021-09-25 10:57:31 <ikke> https://pkgs.alpinelinux.org/packages?name=chromium&branch=edge&arch=x86
2021-09-25 11:02:00 <wolf_> ikke, I hadn't seen it with the 32bit version, I downloaded it wrong. Thanks.
2021-09-25 11:18:57 <frag> can a txt file be less than 4K (and bigget than 0)?
2021-09-25 11:19:43 <frag> i put one char in a txt file and its 4KB
2021-09-25 11:23:02 <wener> this how 4k block works
2021-09-25 11:25:09 <frag> mhmh, so it makes sense to have one larger file instead of many super small files i guess
2021-09-25 11:25:34 <lopid> not if you're transferring them, or opening them, or…
2021-09-25 11:26:45 <frag> lopid: one larger file is worse to open/transfer/etc than small ones?
2021-09-25 11:27:35 <lopid> of course
2021-09-25 11:27:55 <lopid> don't worry about it
2021-09-25 11:28:37 <strajder> frag: how do you measure it to get 4K?
2021-09-25 11:28:58 <frag> ls -s file
2021-09-25 11:29:15 <strajder> see here: https://www.gnu.org/software/coreutils/manual/html_node/What-information-is-listed.html
2021-09-25 11:29:44 <strajder> Alpine uses Busybox ls, but the behavior is the same in this case
2021-09-25 11:31:28 <lopid> and here: http://www.linuxintro.org/wiki/Blocks,_block_devices_and_block_sizes
2021-09-25 11:31:30 <frag> strajder: yeah i guess if you make a file it has to be 0 or 4K+
2021-09-25 11:32:00 <frag> was just a bit curious (and was considering having rss feed posts in small files)
2021-09-25 11:32:16 <lopid> that's fine
2021-09-25 11:32:53 <strajder> size of a file containing 1 byte is 1 byte, but its allocation size uses blocks as units
2021-09-25 11:33:05 <strajder> that block depends on the file system used
2021-09-25 11:35:07 <strajder> for display using the command ls, block size can also be given as a parameter
2021-09-25 11:35:49 <frag> so it always increases 4K when it increases.. hmm never noticed it
2021-09-25 11:37:08 <strajder> on disk, if the file system block size is 4K bytes, the actual allocation size will be 4K until the file size exceeds that, then it will grow to 8K
2021-09-25 11:37:13 <frag> (well depending on sys like oyu said :)
2021-09-25 11:37:39 <strajder> that's the idea of having blocks, to minimize the number of times that allocation is done
2021-09-25 11:38:53 <ikke> And less bookkeeping
2021-09-25 12:10:09 <wener> if you have a lot small files, better use sqlite as "fs"
2021-09-25 12:10:31 <wener> https://www.sqlite.org/fasterthanfs.html
2021-09-25 12:39:27 <wolf_> Oops, I got everything working again. Thank you all.
2021-09-25 12:40:10 <ikke> good
2021-09-25 13:02:19 <wolf_> Which sound manager to install?
2021-09-25 13:03:11 <gera> Hi. I've installed php7-fpm package but there's no openrc service. Where to get it?
2021-09-25 13:04:33 <gera> Oh, sorry there is
2021-09-25 13:11:09 <Saijin_Naib[m]> What Desktop Environment are you using? They normally pull one in automatically.
2021-09-25 13:11:19 <ikke> I don't use any
2021-09-25 13:11:35 <ikke> Just plain startx
2021-09-25 13:14:58 <Saijin_Naib[m]> Hmm... PipeWire seems to be where things are headed, and it can host alsa/jack/pulseuadio
2021-09-25 13:15:34 <Saijin_Naib[m]> i'm PipeWire currently due to it being a dependency of GDM at the moment, though I'd like to switch to PipeWire
2021-09-25 13:15:46 <Saijin_Naib[m]> PulseAudio for the first, sorry
2021-09-25 13:40:22 <Naib> its almost a dropin replacement
2021-09-25 13:40:35 <Naib> you still need libpulse as that is what applications (presently) build against
2021-09-25 13:40:44 <Naib> but pipewire can act as the server
2021-09-25 14:02:58 <wolf_> <Saijin_Naib[m]>, It's hard to configure, I'll use alsamixer, when I have more time I'll see how it works, but from what I've read it uses alsa or pulse.
2021-09-25 14:03:13 <wolf_> thank`s
2021-09-25 15:24:16 <frag> is there a simple alternative to 'git clone'? (for donwloading git repos)
2021-09-25 15:24:55 <ikke> not sure if it's going to get a lot simpler..
2021-09-25 15:25:20 <ikke> frag: what do you want to be simpler?
2021-09-25 15:27:37 <frag> ikke: ah, thought it depended on perl ... but i see its these pkg taht does: perl-git git-perl
2021-09-25 15:28:21 <frag> but i only use 'git clone' so if it could be done easily with wget/curl or something could be nice, i guess it doesnt tho
2021-09-25 15:28:47 <frag> perl-git and git-perl kk
2021-09-25 15:30:05 <ikke> depends, but sometimes you can just fetch an zip / tar archive
2021-09-25 15:30:15 <ikke> ie, github / gitlab and many other git forgest allow that
2021-09-25 15:31:04 <frag> ah i seem to remember that
2021-09-25 16:39:23 <frag> is here a image meta data type that "better" for minimalist/posix friendly systems?
2021-09-25 17:38:42 <matthias11> ok, am I blind or is alpine missing a mod/s3m-player in the main or community packages?
2021-09-25 17:49:42 <Hello71> mpv
2021-09-25 17:50:31 <Hello71> or i guess ffplay if you are a masochist
2021-09-25 17:51:19 <Hello71> hm, wait, alpine ffmpeg isn't built against modplug
2021-09-25 17:51:33 <matthias11> that's sad as I'm a masochist
2021-09-25 17:52:00 <Hello71> i guess you can use this "moc" program
2021-09-25 17:52:13 <matthias11> seems to be the same for mpv, I cannot play mods
2021-09-25 17:53:20 <matthias11> mocp works, thank you
2021-09-25 21:02:32 <RyuKurisu[m]> Things I think about just before I go to sleep: are Snaps available in Alpine Linux?  If someone knows, please mention me so I'll be able to see it when I wake up tomorrow!  (I need it for an app not available on Alpine; 'krop')
2021-09-25 21:03:15 <ikke> RyuKurisu[m]: no, we do not have snaps
2021-09-25 21:05:41 <RyuKurisu[m]> ikke: That's a shame 😔
2021-09-25 21:05:49 <ikke> RyuKurisu[m]: really not :)
2021-09-25 21:05:54 <ikke> RyuKurisu[m]: there is flatpak
2021-09-25 21:06:06 <RyuKurisu[m]> Thanks for the quick reply
2021-09-25 21:06:48 <RyuKurisu[m]> ikke: I know, but I couldn't find 'krop' on Flathub
2021-09-25 21:06:56 <ikke> What is krop?
2021-09-25 21:09:14 <RyuKurisu[m]> A tool to crop pages in pdfs
2021-09-25 21:09:19 <ikke> https://github.com/arminstraub/krop
2021-09-25 21:09:40 <RyuKurisu[m]> Maybe i can install it with pip3: http://arminstraub.com/software/krop#install
2021-09-25 21:09:54 <ikke> You could try
2021-09-25 21:13:16 <RyuKurisu[m]> Or I could help that project and create the Flatpak package; developer isn't opposed to the idea! 🤔
2021-09-25 21:13:16 <RyuKurisu[m]> https://github.com/arminstraub/krop/issues/17
2021-09-25 21:17:54 <ikke> It seems we do not have python-poppler-qt5
2021-09-26 03:13:05 <Saijin_Naib[m]> I don't think we can ever have snaps until we get snapd ported to work on OpenRC instead of systemd. So if Gentoo doesn't have it, we won't
2021-09-26 03:13:41 <Saijin_Naib[m]> There are more than a few snaps I'm missing as well, so I feel you. At least a few more projects have made flatpaks available recently, but not everything
2021-09-26 03:14:14 <Saijin_Naib[m]> Flatpak bloat is also killer on a small eMMC like my laptop has. Yeesh.
2021-09-26 09:20:29 <Darksecond> I'm running alpine-make-vm-image using github actions and I keep getting  Failed to unmount and target is busy. on cleanup and I don't understand why
2021-09-26 10:10:30 <JJ_007> hidy ho!
2021-09-26 10:33:31 <Naib> Saijin_Naib[m]: gentoo has snapd
2021-09-26 11:18:14 <nicolas> Hey, guys. Is there any way to install the Tor Browser in Alpine without having to build it from source?
2021-09-26 11:19:53 <lopid> a tor package exists
2021-09-26 11:39:59 <psykose> nicolas: doesn't appear to exist, no
2021-09-26 11:52:20 <JeSCaLis23-F> 
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2021-09-26 14:17:41 <tomtom> Hi all :-)
2021-09-26 14:18:59 <kmmndr> Hi all :-)
2021-09-26 14:21:18 <kmmndr> I was wondering what would be the requirements for a package to be migrated into community repository 
2021-09-26 14:21:54 <ikke> kmmndr: being tested, and meeting general package requirements
2021-09-26 14:22:26 <kmmndr> The package is freeciv (and it's subpackages)
2021-09-26 14:23:19 <ikke> You can make a merge request to move it (if you are the maintainer)
2021-09-26 14:26:22 <kmmndr> I'll do that, thank you :-)
2021-09-26 14:29:03 <kmmndr> As a rule, one could say that packages eligible for community repository need to be well packaged, maintained by their package maintainers and maintained upstream ? Is there something else to take into account ?
2021-09-26 16:02:12 <Sixedup> Hi everyone, I want to perform a sys install of Alpine on an old low-power mini PC. It's powered by a Geode GX (so a 586 with some SSE instructions) with 512MB RAM and an 80GB IDE/PATA hard drive. The kernel in the standard installer seems to have no IDE/PATA support, so I was wondering how hard it would be to "remaster" the standard installer with a custom-configured kernel. I can see the instructions here  https://wiki.alpinelinux.org/wiki/Ho
2021-09-26 16:02:12 <Sixedup> w_to_make_a_custom_ISO_image_with_mkimage to create an installer with extra packages, but it wasnt clear to me how I would include a custom kernel too. Any pointers or suggestions on how I could go about that, bearing in mind I'm very new to Alpine, and have only the most basic knowledge?
2021-09-26 16:11:54 <minimal> Sixedup: I used to have a GX machine but got rid of it a couple of years ago. Looking at the linux-its config for x86 there is PATA support (as modules) but one thing I noticed is: "CONFIG_PATA_CS5535 is not set" (CS5520/30/36 *are* set)
2021-09-26 16:12:06 <minimal> wondering if perhaps your machine has a CS5535 controller
2021-09-26 16:13:06 <Sixedup> It does, and I don't get the PATA drive recognised with the standard installer
2021-09-26 16:13:32 <minimal> well that would explain it - no kernel module for CS5535....
2021-09-26 16:14:15 <Sixedup> I thnk I probably need a kernel with the CS5535 compiled in. I can probably do that, but then how to use that to remaster the installer?
2021-09-26 16:16:35 <minimal> well you could build your own modified kernel package locally for your own local (additional) repo, and then create a new installer with your local repo referenced in /etc/apk/repositories so it pulls in your modified package
2021-09-26 16:17:55 <Sixedup> Ok, is there a hierarchy in the repository statements that I need to follow, or some way to ensure that the modified kernel gets chosen over the standard one?
2021-09-26 16:18:04 <minimal> or else you could raise a MR on the linux-lts package to get that CS5535 module enabled in the official package and then wait for it to be merged and pushed to the official repos and then create a new installer afterwards
2021-09-26 16:19:07 <minimal> newest version of a package is chosen regardless of which of the repos (defined in /etc/apk/repositories) its in
2021-09-26 16:19:43 <ikke> Sixedup: there is no priority
2021-09-26 16:19:49 <ikke> (afaik)
2021-09-26 16:20:38 <minimal> Sixedup: the problem with created a local modified package is later when official package is updated then an upgrade would lose your changes. So either (a) have a differently named local package, or probably better (b) raise the MR to get the module enabled in official package
2021-09-26 16:22:54 <Sixedup> OK. Seems a shame to push such old code back into the distribution (who normally uses PATA drives these days?!) but happy to go that route if its the favoured option
2021-09-26 16:29:18 <Sixedup> Ok, thanks for your help. Will take a shot at getting a custom kernel with CS5535 support installed, and see if that solves the problem, and if so, then I'll raise an MR to request ongoing support in the official kernel package. Appreciate your time!
2021-09-26 16:36:46 <Hello71> we can enable it for x86 only
2021-09-26 16:38:26 <Sixedup> Ok, will mention that in the MR (assuming it works!)
2021-09-26 22:03:01 <mla> i want to pkg a piece of software from a git repo w/ no tags
2021-09-26 22:03:01 <mla> is it feasible to test creating the pkg locally w/o a disturl?
2021-09-26 22:03:01 <mla> the snapshot fn default assumes you want to upload the pkg somewhere -- e.g. to alpines server ($disturl)?
2021-09-26 22:08:49 <mla> e.g there are some packages that use snapshot have have a source line that looks like source="https://dev.alpinelinux.org/archive/$_pkgname/$_pkgname-$pkgver.tar.gz" for ex
2021-09-26 22:09:13 <mla> how exactly am i supposed to test a apkbuild like this locally for a new pkg
2021-09-26 22:09:33 <mla> i dont have a server / access to that server to drop things onto
2021-09-26 22:53:51 <mla> https://gitlab.alpinelinux.org/alpine/aports/-/merge_requests/25776
2021-09-26 22:54:53 <mla> theres my attempt, unclear where snapshot / uploading fits in alpine ci; ran default snapshot fn locally and works, but no server access to upload to
2021-09-26 23:14:00 <minimal> mla: there is no such location as https://dev.alpinelinux.org/archive/pinephone-call-audio/ and so the build canot fetch the source code
2021-09-26 23:18:47 <Hello71> yes, that's what they said already
2021-09-26 23:19:57 <mla> minimal: run abuild snapshot, flip the source and serve it locally, and then abuild checksum/abuild
2021-09-26 23:19:57 <mla> exactly thats my q, how do i get permissions to upload to alpine server?
2021-09-26 23:21:36 <minimal> mla: are you trying to test locally or use CI? you've said you wanted to test locally but have created an MR
2021-09-26 23:21:58 <minimal> it testing locally then host the source code locally (i.e. via Apache or Nginx)
2021-09-26 23:22:54 <mla> id like to create an mr that gets merged; to do that i need to test locally, but testing locally requires a snapshot fn
2021-09-26 23:23:25 <mla> seems like to have a snapshot fn that means anything it ties into alpines server somehow
2021-09-26 23:23:36 <minimal> mla: what exactly is "a snapshot fn"?
2021-09-26 23:23:58 <mla> https://wiki.alpinelinux.org/wiki/APKBUILD_Reference#snapshot.28.29
2021-09-26 23:24:19 <Hello71> just set source="$_pkgname-$pkgver.tar.gz"
2021-09-26 23:25:56 <Hello71> in general if there are no tags then you should specify a commit
2021-09-26 23:26:00 <mla> sha512sum: pinephone-call-audio-0_git20210926.tar.gz: No such file or directory
2021-09-26 23:26:08 <mla> for abuild checksum if i do that
2021-09-26 23:27:03 <Hello71> well obviously you have to actually put the file
2021-09-26 23:27:33 <Hello71> not sure this program is suitable for packaging anyways
2021-09-26 23:27:45 <Hello71> as author says, "You may want to modify it to your needs (change volumes, or add command line parameter to set them from command line) or to use it to setup the card, and dump the controls via the above alsactl commands. Otherwise it's quite a lot of work to setup everything correctly, because many controls control multiple channels separately, and you need to sometimes setup
2021-09-26 23:27:48 <Hello71> each channel for a different use case, or disable one of the channels, etc."
2021-09-26 23:28:18 <mla> its suitable; i asked the creator to create the git repo
2021-09-26 23:28:32 <mla> its alot of work to get pinephone audio working for calls wo this program
2021-09-27 00:33:25 <Saijin_Naib[m]> Naib, oh that's fascinating. It works even over OpenRC without systemd?
2021-09-27 05:13:24 <ktprograms> Hi, is it possible to mount FAT32/MSDOS using FUSE (I'm using a custom kernel for an experiment and wanted to test how FUSE works). I found https://packages.debian.org/stretch/fusefat but it seems to need libc.
2021-09-27 05:24:08 <ohboy> got alacritty with a solarized theme
2021-09-27 05:24:14 <ohboy> but now doom emacs has all of its colors blending in
2021-09-27 05:24:24 <ohboy> how do you guys get everything to be decently colored?
2021-09-27 06:43:10 <Misthios> time
2021-09-27 06:43:50 <eris[m]> i put everything in terminal and make applications use the terminal colours
2021-09-27 06:54:10 <ohboy> eris[m]: that seems to not work, even in weechat
2021-09-27 06:54:12 <ohboy> maybe i'm wrong
2021-09-27 06:56:50 <eris[m]> weechat doesnt use the terminal colours by default iirc
2021-09-27 07:00:57 <lopid> xterm_256color
2021-09-27 07:13:19 <ohboy> lopid: where do i put that?
2021-09-27 07:13:37 <ohboy> if i edit .bash_profile, will source'ing it make everything verk again?
2021-09-27 07:16:04 <EF> ktprograms: musl is a libc but Debian uses glibc as it doesn't have musl. Fuse works on musl.
2021-09-27 07:18:19 <ktprograms> EF: Sorry, meant to type glibc. What I meant is I can't find a FUSE driver for FAT32 that works on musl libc.
2021-09-27 08:21:58 <lopid> try it first
2021-09-27 08:22:28 <lopid> .ac
2021-09-27 08:22:42 <lopid> oop
2021-09-27 12:34:22 <ktprograms> Hi, is there a FAT32 driver for FUSE that works on musl libc? I found https://packages.debian.org/stretch/fusefat but it says it needs glibc. (I'm using a custom kernel for another experiment and wanted to test if FUSE is working)
2021-09-27 12:41:39 <markand> I realized that mount-ro at shutdown only remounts / ro and not /boot even though listed in /etc/fstab, any idea?
2021-09-27 12:42:27 <psykose> ktprograms: you can probably just build that same thing yourself on musl, though i cannot find where the source is
2021-09-27 12:42:44 <markand> so at boot I always get a fsck warning about /boot being not dismounted correctly
2021-09-27 12:44:08 <markand> hmm, no my bad /boot gets property unmounted, but I still get a warning, then fsck'ing the partition (after unmounting /boot) runs without warnings
2021-09-27 13:12:12 <ktprograms> psykose: Nope, configure seems to demand glibc: https://gist.github.com/ktprograms/5b95fc31b320b285d43428817c378488
2021-09-27 13:12:59 <PureTryOut> ktprograms: that is not asking for glibc, that is asking for glib
2021-09-27 13:13:04 <PureTryOut> which is something completely different
2021-09-27 13:13:27 <PureTryOut> https://pkgs.alpinelinux.org/packages?name=glib*&branch=edge&arch=x86_64, you'll need glib-dev
2021-09-27 13:15:32 <ktprograms> PureTryOut: Sorry, didn't know. Should have looked it up first.
2021-09-27 13:16:04 <PureTryOut> No need to be sorry
2021-09-27 13:16:19 <ktprograms> Thanks! configure goes all the way through now!
2021-09-27 13:19:12 <ktprograms> And so does make!
2021-09-27 13:33:31 <PureTryOut> Has anyone had any luck getting Plymouth to work?
2021-09-27 13:58:59 <ktprograms> psykose: PureTryOut: Thanks for your help! I can mount FAT32 without kernel support now
2021-09-27 13:59:32 <PureTryOut> Np!
2021-09-27 14:00:52 <psykose> :)
2021-09-27 17:06:51 <tiotags> what sites do you guys use to get tech news ?
2021-09-27 17:08:58 <eris[m]> word of mouth
2021-09-27 17:09:14 <psykose> word of mouth and lwn
2021-09-27 17:09:35 <minimal> phoronix, theregister
2021-09-27 17:11:15 <tiotags> word of mouth ?
2021-09-27 17:11:37 <tiotags> phoronix has nice benchmarks
2021-09-27 17:14:17 <psykose> word of mouth is you're doing your daily forced social interaction and someone happens to post a link or something interesting you then go look at
2021-09-27 17:17:46 <danieli> it's a bit off topic but whatever - twitter, feed aggregators (like feedly), word of mouth, some mailing lists
2021-09-27 17:17:59 <danieli> psykose: that was oddly specific
2021-09-27 17:18:18 <danieli> i wouldn't rely on word of mouth for threat intel, but news is news
2021-09-27 17:18:42 <eris[m]> i talk with my friends and they tell me tech stuff
2021-09-27 17:23:53 <hodapp> I glance at the phoronix headlines and sometimes engadget
2021-09-27 17:24:02 <hodapp> maybe t3n if I feel like also getting some German practice
2021-09-27 17:24:57 <hodapp> I probably should read in more detail so I understand wtf things like WiFi 6 even are...
2021-09-27 17:28:15 <danieli> for now you won't even need to know what WiFi 6 or USB 4 are
2021-09-27 18:20:56 <wolf_> Good afternoon, I'm trying to use cron to run a 5 minute command to change the background, but it doesn't work at all, it runs but has no effect.
2021-09-27 18:21:04 <wolf_> https://pastebin.com/7fJPsphi
2021-09-27 18:21:33 <wolf_> In pastebin is everything I tried
2021-09-27 18:22:35 <ikke> wolf_: does ~/xxx.txt contain anything?
2021-09-27 18:22:54 <psykose> feh probably needs DISPLAY set to do anything, it's not going to be in cron unless you add it
2021-09-27 18:24:34 <wolf_> have the command
2021-09-27 18:24:34 <wolf_>  ##!/bin/ash
2021-09-27 18:25:57 <wolf_> ikke, Don't paste the command here, it's in the pastebin link
2021-09-27 18:26:56 <wolf_> If I run the command, it works normally, only in cron it won't.
2021-09-27 19:30:15 <hodapp> danieli: why's that
2021-09-27 20:13:15 <frag> will sendmail with only -S/-au/-ap be extremely unsecure? from -v i get eg.: "sendmail: recv:'250-AUTH PLAIN LOGIN'" but also "sendmail: recv:'250-STARTTLS'" ... not sure what it means
2021-09-27 21:02:41 <lopid> starttls wraps the comms in a safe warm blanket, so you only needs to use plain auth from then
2021-09-27 21:05:08 <kelvinfahrenheit43> how do i bind cwm to use only the windows key for something
2021-09-27 21:05:13 <kelvinfahrenheit43> i know it's 4
2021-09-27 21:05:29 <kelvinfahrenheit43> but i can only find VoidSymbol in keysymdef.h
2021-09-27 21:05:49 <kelvinfahrenheit43> so is it just 4-VoidSymbol?
2021-09-27 21:12:13 <frag> :]
2021-09-27 21:13:50 <frag> mblaze seems very cool, cant figure out how to set "From:" from command line tho, before generating message with 'mcom', anyone know?
2021-09-27 21:15:50 <lopid> leah2, no doubt
2021-09-27 21:21:54 <leah2> mcom -from ... 
2021-09-27 21:22:04 <leah2> should work no?
2021-09-27 21:22:13 <frag> doesnt seem so
2021-09-27 21:22:17 <leah2> works here oO
2021-09-27 21:22:22 <frag> maybe confused with -r
2021-09-27 21:22:47 <leah2> yeah -r will never add headers i think
2021-09-27 21:23:02 <frag> when i use -from, From: and Subject: is removed from the header :S
2021-09-27 21:24:25 <frag> leah2: you are using mblaze from repo 3.14?
2021-09-27 21:24:44 <leah2> no i use Git HEAD
2021-09-27 21:25:06 <leah2> but that pretty certainly didnt change
2021-09-27 21:25:10 <frag> mblaze-1.1-r1
2021-09-27 21:25:49 <frag> well when i do 'mcom -from test@dom.no' it just removed from/sub
2021-09-27 21:26:52 <leah2> i have a 1.1 here...
2021-09-27 21:26:56 <leah2> gives me
2021-09-27 21:26:58 <leah2> From: foo@bar
2021-09-27 21:27:00 <leah2> Subject: 
2021-09-27 21:27:23 <frag> :I
2021-09-27 21:27:30 <leah2> what's in your profile?
2021-09-27 21:28:01 <frag> all my secrets!
2021-09-27 21:28:07 <frag> u thinking of sendmail args?
2021-09-27 21:29:05 <frag> ive defined everything but "Scan-Format:"
2021-09-27 21:29:30 <frag> args is -t -S -au -ap
2021-09-27 21:29:59 <frag> i guess those dont matter yet ...
2021-09-27 21:32:03 <leah2> no shouldnt :/
2021-09-27 21:32:25 <leah2> if you use mcom -foobar quux
2021-09-27 21:32:29 <leah2> does it make a 'Foobar: quux'?
2021-09-27 21:36:15 <frag> leah2: yeah!
2021-09-27 21:36:36 <leah2> hmmm
2021-09-27 21:36:44 <frag> maybe its my editor ..
2021-09-27 21:37:26 <frag> nah, same with vi
2021-09-27 21:38:36 <frag> if i made a ./mblaze/headers with "From: my@mail.com", it added it below the other header, so 2 "From:"
2021-09-27 21:38:50 <leah2> i could see that happen
2021-09-27 21:39:05 <leah2> but not removing subject?
2021-09-27 21:39:25 <frag> no, not removing anything, just adding another "from:"
2021-09-27 21:39:35 <leah2> > 23:23 <frag> when i use -from, From: and Subject: is removed from the header :S
2021-09-27 21:39:59 <leah2> don't add From: to mblaze/headers, add local-mailbox: to .mblaze/profile
2021-09-27 21:40:19 <leah2> but yeah, would be nice if that worked out of the box
2021-09-27 21:41:25 <leah2> i added it to the todo, thx
2021-09-27 21:42:27 <frag> oh you are developer? cool :]
2021-09-27 21:42:36 <frag> local-mailbox is just  folder no?
2021-09-27 21:45:21 <leah2>      Local-Mailbox:
2021-09-27 21:45:23 <leah2>              Your primary mail address, used as the default value for From: in
2021-09-27 21:45:25 <leah2>              mcom(1), and in mscan(1) to recognize messages sent to you.
2021-09-27 21:50:36 <frag> leah2: ahh that fixed it :p
2021-09-27 21:53:03 <leah2> good :)
2021-09-27 22:41:49 <frag> leah2: does mblaze have some "copy sent mail to sent dir" function?
2021-09-27 22:56:58 <leah2> outbox:
2021-09-27 23:05:03 <frag> ah right!
2021-09-27 23:13:51 <freqk__> farted
2021-09-27 23:35:23 <jhweruyuw> haha
2021-09-28 00:25:53 <ohboy> How do I add ET Book to my system?
2021-09-28 00:25:58 <ohboy> (it's a font)
2021-09-28 00:53:51 <freqk__> oh
2021-09-28 06:17:26 <frag> sendmail can only read "From:" from the file if you also define from: with "-f" it seems ...
2021-09-28 07:08:30 <PureTryOut> Does apk log it's upgraded and installed/removed packages somewherE?
2021-09-28 07:08:33 <PureTryOut> s/somewherE/somewhere/
2021-09-28 07:09:43 <ktprograms> PureTryOut: I guess you could diff /etc/apk/world?
2021-09-28 07:12:29 <PureTryOut> Diff with what? I don't have an older version of that file. Also not everything apk upgrades and installs or removes is in world
2021-09-28 07:13:09 <PureTryOut> Basically an edge upgrade just now borked my Bluetooth and I need to figure out what changed
2021-09-28 07:17:20 <ikke> PureTryOut: the master branch has added this feature
2021-09-28 07:18:19 <PureTryOut> Ah but not in a release yet?
2021-09-28 07:18:42 <clandmeter> its apk v3 
2021-09-28 07:18:49 <clandmeter> lots of changes
2021-09-28 07:21:46 <PureTryOut> Ah ok darn. Then I need to figure out my current issue in some other way
2021-09-28 07:22:13 <PureTryOut> Basically the bluetooth service is running, bluetoothctl starts and what not, but there is no controller/device available for some reason
2021-09-28 07:22:27 <PureTryOut> Weirdly it worked fine up to the system upgrade
2021-09-28 07:25:50 <ikke> fabled did seem agreeable to backport it to apk-tools v2\
2021-09-28 07:26:15 <PureTryOut> Still doesn't help my current problem, but it would be great yes
2021-09-28 07:26:56 <ikke> https://gitlab.alpinelinux.org/alpine/apk-tools/-/issues/10766
2021-09-28 07:27:00 <ikke> PureTryOut: understood
2021-09-28 07:29:48 <ohboy> fuck bluetooth
2021-09-28 07:29:48 <PureTryOut> Actually it might just be a kernel upgrade that broke it...
2021-09-28 07:44:38 <vyivel> PureTryOut: *might* be related to openssl3 update
2021-09-28 07:44:54 <PureTryOut> Bluetooh? I doubt it personally 🤔
2021-09-28 07:44:56 <vyivel> it broke e.g. wpa_supplicant for me
2021-09-28 07:45:33 <vyivel> idk if bluetooth uses openssl
2021-09-28 07:47:55 <PureTryOut> bluez has no dep on it at least
2021-09-28 14:01:26 <minimal> clandmeter: side question about APK v3 - will it still be easy to unpack a v3 APK file on any Linux distro? For current apk files I use "zcat file.apk | tar xvf -"
2021-09-28 14:06:06 <clandmeter> minimal: im not sure, didnt look into current changes. better to ask Ariadne or fabled.
2021-09-28 14:06:42 <clandmeter> the idea was to convert the index into some binary db
2021-09-28 14:06:49 <clandmeter> not sure about the pkg itself
2021-09-28 14:13:20 <minimal> clandmeter: ok. The above method would be ued by people who want to unpack & run the static version of apk on another distro (to do a chroot install) as the https://github.com/alpinelinux/apk-tools/releases/ Github repo stopped providing x86_64 tarballs since v2.10.4
2021-09-28 14:15:17 <ikke> minimal: reminds me I need to enable that on our gitlab instance
2021-09-28 14:16:27 <minimal> ikke: that would be great. Once enabled where would the binary tarballs be located?
2021-09-28 14:16:46 <ikke> As a release artifact on gitlab
2021-09-28 14:16:59 <ikke> in the apk-tools project
2021-09-28 14:17:21 <clandmeter> I think thats a bit difficult to fetch?
2021-09-28 14:17:32 <clandmeter> i mean programmatically 
2021-09-28 14:17:55 <clandmeter> i think with github the binaries would also be provides in the release?
2021-09-28 14:18:39 <ikke> clandmeter: with release-cli afaik you can create releases with predictable urls
2021-09-28 14:20:11 <clandmeter> right, but cant we add binaries to the actual apk-tools releases?
2021-09-28 14:20:28 <clandmeter> not sure how it was managed previously 
2021-09-28 14:21:28 <Ariadne> minimal: apkv3 will eventually switch to a different package format
2021-09-28 14:22:17 <Ariadne> i think openwrt will make the jump to that new format first
2021-09-28 14:22:59 <ikke> clandmeter: That's what release-cli does. It allows you to upload binaries
2021-09-28 14:23:07 <minimal> Ariadne: didn't realise they were looking at it
2021-09-28 14:24:49 <minimal> ikke: thanks. A predictable url is all I need for my script
2021-09-28 14:25:06 <Ariadne> anyway there are some things that are not great about tarballs
2021-09-28 14:25:29 <Ariadne> every CVE in apk has been caused by tarballs being shit :p
2021-09-28 14:25:52 <clandmeter> so eventually you will need apk to get the contents of an package
2021-09-28 14:28:09 <ikke> yes\
2021-09-28 14:35:02 <clandmeter> i think fabled had a roadmap before, but it was long time ago, many things changed.
2021-09-28 15:26:48 <Saijin_Naib[m]> Does anyone know a way to fetch a specific out-of-repo version of an apk to install? For instance, I am hanging back on latest-stable since I wanted gnome-builder and flatseal (which are  missing from edge) and I thought it would have avoided GDM being broken, but it isn't and the latest-stable kernel release doesn't have the module patch I submitted for my hardware
2021-09-28 15:27:10 <Saijin_Naib[m]> Is the best way to edit my repos, apk update, install the new kernel, then edit back to latest-stable and away I go? Or am I asking for some shit
2021-09-28 15:27:55 <ikke> Saijin_Naib[m]: you can add a pinned repository @<pin_name> <repo> to /etc/apk/repositories,
2021-09-28 15:28:10 <ikke> and then apk add linux-lts@<pin_name>
2021-09-28 15:28:25 <ikke> Saijin_Naib[m]: note that in general it's not supported to isntall packages cross-versions
2021-09-28 15:28:37 <ikke> but the kernel is self-contained, so that should not cause any issues
2021-09-28 15:28:52 <psykose> the linux-* packages depend on mkinitfs which has a big chain of random libs
2021-09-28 15:29:23 <ikke> yes, but the kernel does not depend on a specific version of mkinitfs
2021-09-28 15:29:24 <Saijin_Naib[m]> Oh god...
2021-09-28 15:29:31 <psykose> that is true
2021-09-28 15:29:43 <Saijin_Naib[m]> Hm, alright. If I just go to edge, it won't purge gnome-builder and flatseal, right?
2021-09-28 15:30:07 <Saijin_Naib[m]> They're already installed so they stay? I know Debian-derived sometimes purge deprecated packages during upgrade and that is not fun
2021-09-28 15:30:30 <ikke> They should stay
2021-09-28 15:30:43 <ikke> but dependency conflicts might happen
2021-09-28 15:30:52 <Saijin_Naib[m]> Okay, neat. Thank you all for helping me all the time 😬
2021-09-28 15:31:20 <Saijin_Naib[m]> I spent the last three days distro-hopping trying to get something I liked, but I'm back at Alpine since it just makes so much more sense, haha
2021-09-28 19:04:18 <ohboy> Saijin_naib[m]: What'd you end up hopping through?
2021-09-28 20:14:26 <Saijin_Naib[m]> @ohboy, I did Artix XFCE, Mint Cinnamon Edge, Siduction XFCE. Mint/Siduction gave me tons of trouble during install and early updating. Artix was decent, but trapped during update and trashed itself.
2021-09-28 20:14:26 <Saijin_Naib[m]> Back to Alpine I ran!
2021-09-28 20:15:25 <Saijin_Naib[m]> and ikke/psykose, thanks to you both I have a running Alpine with flatseal/gnome-builder and Edge packages/kernel. Just forgot that I needed to apk upgrade -al after switching channels hehe. Things were very broken before that
2021-09-28 20:21:23 <psykose> you are very kind
2021-09-28 20:22:41 <Saijin_Naib[m]> I'm getting help for free from folks way more knowledgeable 🤷 The least I can do is be gracious, no?
2021-09-28 20:34:04 <ohboy> you didn't try void? interesting
2021-09-28 22:19:21 <Saijin_Naib[m]> @ohboy, I tried Void GNOME briefly. I'm debating if that might be an option for my desktop since they ship the proprietary nVidia drivers which I'd need for my GTX1050TI to do anything but sit at one perf-state
2021-09-29 00:41:03 <xkb> I've created a lxc container from the alpine minirootfs image, currious what the default root password is on the minirootfs image?
2021-09-29 00:45:40 <xkb> nvm, looks like it's not set!
2021-09-29 03:51:10 <eydaimon> hi I'm following the instructions here: https://wiki.alpinelinux.org/wiki/Configure_a_Wireguard_interface_(wg)  and I'm getting a message saying: modprobe: FATAL: Module wireguard not found in directory. 
2021-09-29 03:51:31 <eydaimon> However, the file is present ... /lib/modules/5.10.61-0-lts/kernel/drivers/net/wireguard/wireguard.ko
2021-09-29 04:24:06 <ikke> eydaimon: what does uname -r return?
2021-09-29 04:34:37 <eydaimon> 5.10.43-0-lts
2021-09-29 04:34:48 <eydaimon> I need to reboot ?
2021-09-29 04:35:29 <ikke> yes
2021-09-29 04:35:53 <eydaimon> thanks
2021-09-29 09:16:44 <vyivel> just to confirm, is wpa_supplicant broken w/ openssl 3.0.0 for everyone or it's me who does something wrong?
2021-09-29 09:20:20 <Misthios> there is a issue for it so i guess its broken for everyone
2021-09-29 09:20:56 <vyivel> yep, i opened that issue
2021-09-29 09:21:00 <vyivel> :p
2021-09-29 09:21:04 <Misthios> o xd
2021-09-29 09:21:38 <Misthios> u could try to build it with openssl1 compat
2021-09-29 09:22:10 <vyivel> yeah, that's what i was going to do
2021-09-29 09:32:38 <vyivel> connects just fine with 1.1 compat
2021-09-29 09:32:47 <vyivel> should i make a PR for this?
2021-09-29 09:33:21 <vyivel> feels kinda weird that fedora (apparently) managed to make this work with 3.0.0
2021-09-29 09:33:29 <vyivel> maybe i missed something
2021-09-29 09:38:21 <markand> I've just realized that installing grub on alpine actually create a /boot/grub directory and generates a configuration by probing the system
2021-09-29 09:38:31 <markand> I don't think alpine should do that, it's not debian
2021-09-29 11:58:15 <donoban> vyivel: I think that I don't have any problem with wpa_supplicant and it's built with openssl-3
2021-09-29 11:59:36 <vyivel> so it connects to wifi for you?
2021-09-29 11:59:56 <vyivel> it fails with "WPA: RC4 failed" on my PC
2021-09-29 12:00:13 <donoban> yes I'm on wifi now
2021-09-29 12:00:32 <vyivel> hm, weird
2021-09-29 12:00:45 <donoban> what arch do you run?
2021-09-29 12:00:51 <vyivel> x86_64
2021-09-29 12:01:13 <donoban> are you runing WEP?
2021-09-29 12:01:43 <vyivel> wpa-psk
2021-09-29 12:04:28 <donoban> I don't know, but I feel that if it was something related with openssl3 migration it will segfault or crash
2021-09-29 12:05:41 <vyivel> 2.9-r14 works and i'd be very surprised if 2.9-r15 changes were related somehow
2021-09-29 12:06:41 <donoban> uhM, r14 works and r15 fails? it seems that booth were openssl1
2021-09-29 12:07:10 <donoban> go to #alpine-devel and try contacting mps, he did the r15 change
2021-09-29 12:07:30 <vyivel> no, i mean i haven't checked r15 but i feel like it would work because it seems unrelated to the issue
2021-09-29 12:08:01 <vyivel> also r15 change works w/ 1.1
2021-09-29 12:08:39 <donoban> uhM, not necessary
2021-09-29 12:08:55 <donoban> it depends on what version was pointing openssl-dev
2021-09-29 12:09:25 <vyivel> r15 was built with 1.1
2021-09-29 12:09:31 <vyivel> r16 with 3.0
2021-09-29 12:09:44 <vyivel> right now i'm running local r17 with 1.1 compat and it's fine
2021-09-29 12:11:17 <donoban> so it's an issue with openssl3, ping Ariadne :P
2021-09-29 12:12:52 <vyivel> okay, i'll try a bit later
2021-09-29 14:59:50 <Ariadne> that’s an issue with “enable the legacy module if you want to use RC4 really”
2021-09-29 15:00:25 <Ariadne> though perhaps wpa_supplicant should do so programmatically
2021-09-29 15:09:01 <Ariadne> donoban: figured it out :D
2021-09-29 15:09:36 <Ariadne> donoban: wpa_supplicant tries to use EVP_CIPHER_CTX_set_padding() before the context is actually initialized, so it fails
2021-09-29 15:10:49 <donoban> nice :)
2021-09-29 15:15:22 <Hello71> it was already reported on gitlab. someone said the patch doesn't work
2021-09-29 15:40:35 <Ariadne> Hello71: what "patch"
2021-09-29 15:40:52 <vyivel> https://gitlab.alpinelinux.org/alpine/aports/-/issues/13043
2021-09-29 15:41:52 <Ariadne> oh
2021-09-29 15:41:53 <Ariadne> ok
2021-09-29 15:42:01 <Ariadne> well, i would assume RC4 is in legacy module
2021-09-29 15:42:06 <Ariadne> so we need to programatically load it
2021-09-29 15:44:49 <Ariadne> those redhat patches look necessary regardless
2021-09-29 15:46:37 <Ariadne> yes, MD4/RC4 are in legacy provider
2021-09-29 15:46:40 <Ariadne> we need load it
2021-09-29 15:46:41 <Ariadne> https://www.openssl.org/docs/man3.0/man7/OSSL_PROVIDER-legacy.html
2021-09-29 15:46:42 <Ariadne> :)
2021-09-29 15:47:10 <vyivel> out of curiosity, how is that done?
2021-09-29 15:47:40 <Ariadne> you can do it by config file, or programatically
2021-09-29 15:47:50 <Ariadne> i am working on patch to do it programatically
2021-09-29 15:48:54 <vyivel> okay, thanks!
2021-09-29 19:44:19 <frag> do you use busybox grep? isnt it hard to read the output without color?
2021-09-29 19:46:02 <psykose> busybox grep is for masochists
2021-09-29 19:46:13 <frag> lol
2021-09-29 19:58:39 <yyp> busybox grep is okay
2021-09-29 20:08:47 <lopid> no need to stick with it if space isn't an issue
2021-09-29 22:16:30 <frag> what is 'yes' used for :p
2021-09-29 23:03:50 <PJ[m]> usually piped into some other program to spam `y` so it doesn't block on yes/no questions
2021-09-29 23:05:55 <Naib> yes 'y' | make newconfig  
2021-09-29 23:06:22 <Naib> if you want to generate a new kernel config using your existing running kernel to seed the config and just accept the new options
2021-09-29 23:06:42 <PJ[m]> you can omit `'y'`
2021-09-29 23:06:51 <Naib> true
2021-09-29 23:07:01 <Naib> force of habit with strings and bash :)
2021-09-29 23:21:04 <Hello71> doesn't have anything to do with strings *or* bash, and linux doesn't have a "make newconfig", it's make oldconfig, and it would be better to use yes '' | make oldconfig, or make olddefconfig
2021-09-29 23:23:05 <Hello71> e.g. enabling EFI_DISABLE_PCI_DMA makes linux unbootable on many machines
2021-09-29 23:32:10 <Naib> yup, its oldconfig
2021-09-30 04:05:30 <ktprograms> How do I fix a fsck that returns 111 but has no output?
2021-09-30 04:20:09 <ktprograms> NVM it looks like exit code 111 means it doesn't have the fsck for that filesystem.
2021-09-30 04:44:36 <jeffreybenzos[m]> Anyone use an ereader on alpine?
2021-09-30 05:39:17 <frojnd> Anyone using fish as default shell?
2021-09-30 05:40:46 <frojnd> I thought if I set fish as default shell with chsh command for my user path defined in ~/.config/fish/config.fish will be applied but apperantly not
2021-09-30 05:41:06 <frojnd> s/apperantly/apparently/
2021-09-30 06:13:39 <ktprograms> fronjnd: You could try this: https://wiki.alpinelinux.org/wiki/Change_default_shell
2021-09-30 11:25:17 <ktprograms> In what case would the af_packet module be needed?
2021-09-30 12:55:00 <wolf_> Good morning, In the last installation I installed recordmydesktop and did some tests recording with two monitors and specific windows, now I installed it again but it doesn't open in graphical mode, only gava in the cli. What did I not install?
2021-09-30 13:01:14 <lopid> xorg?
2021-09-30 13:07:34 <wolf_> lopid: It's installed, I'm using xfce.
2021-09-30 14:27:57 <wolf_> I'm sorry guys I used the simplescreenrecorder on edge, I got confused here.
2021-09-30 19:47:17 <telly> Hi! I'm planning onto turning a box I have here onto an Alpine router. Is the wiki on "RPi Alpine router ipv6" still current? Or should I look somewhere else? Thanks!
2021-09-30 19:51:50 <lopid> probably not, but alpine would be a good choice anyway
2021-09-30 19:53:40 <telly> Hey! Thanks for the reply! I'm gonna give it a try, the only problem is actually finding up to date documentation :P
2021-09-30 19:54:34 <telly> Specially on nftables, ipv6 and local dns, every single site I open up says something different
2021-09-30 19:55:22 <PJ[m]> In top right there is `View history` so you can check how long ago it was updated and how often
2021-09-30 19:56:19 <PJ[m]> If you will try to set it up, I'd recommend using `lbu` so you can just restart and get back into it when something breaks 
2021-09-30 19:56:57 <telly> Those are great tips! Thank you!
2021-09-30 19:57:29 <PJ[m]> * using `lbu` (`lbu commit` to save configuration if it works) so you
2021-09-30 21:26:15 <Saijin_Naib[m]> Is anyone using XFCE as a DE in Alpine? Apparently, I was spoiled by GNOME Control Center because I'm missing XFCE Control Panel applets for some core functinality, and I have NFI what I should be installing
2021-09-30 21:27:07 <Saijin_Naib[m]> Though to XFCE's credit, it does idle at like, 0.2 system load instead of like .7 of GNOME 🙄