2021-05-01 08:40:29 <phalanx> hello, can anyone tell me where to find changelog for a package?
2021-05-01 08:44:04 <ikke> The easiest way is to look at git
2021-05-01 08:44:23 <phalanx> ok
2021-05-01 08:44:40 <ikke> https://gitlab.alpinelinux.org/alpine/aports/-/commits/master/main/vim
2021-05-01 08:44:42 <ikke> For example
2021-05-01 08:49:00 <phalanx> ikke thanks!
2021-05-01 10:11:40 <Forza> Hello :)
2021-05-01 10:11:57 <ikke> o/
2021-05-01 10:12:17 <Forza> I want to set up bonding and I followed https://wiki.alpinelinux.org/wiki/Bonding however, how do I set LACP mode on the bond?
2021-05-01 10:12:55 <ikke> what version of alpine?
2021-05-01 10:13:16 <Forza> Alpine 3.13.5
2021-05-01 10:13:43 <ikke> add bond-mode 802.3ad
2021-05-01 10:13:59 <ikke> Can you show your networking/interfaces?
2021-05-01 10:14:27 <ikke> OK, should be fine if you followed the exampole
2021-05-01 10:14:40 <Forza> Just like the example. eth0 and eth1
2021-05-01 10:15:02 <ikke> yes, adding 'bond-mode 802.3ad' should wor
2021-05-01 10:15:12 <Forza> Thanks a lot :) testing now
2021-05-01 10:15:30 <ikke> It's working for us :)
2021-05-01 10:15:56 <Forza> what "system" is controlling network in Alpine? Openrc scripts or netplan or networkmanager or similar?
2021-05-01 10:16:16 <ikke> ifupdown-ng (controlled by the networking service in openrc)
2021-05-01 10:16:30 <Forza> it worked :)
2021-05-01 10:16:39 <Forza> great. thanks =)
2021-05-01 10:17:21 <Forza> First time I try Apline. I've been a long time Gentoo user so I am happy with OpenRC :) Been running some fedora and ubuntu servers at work thoughh and I feel I fight systemd all the time :/
2021-05-01 10:17:43 <Forza> I'm impressed so far on how light and easy Alpine is!
2021-05-01 10:18:46 <[diablo]> its true...
2021-05-01 10:22:14 <Forza> [diablo]: what is?
2021-05-01 10:23:24 <[diablo]> what you said about Alpine
2021-05-01 10:23:27 <[diablo]> and OpenRC
2021-05-01 10:26:30 <Forza> :)
2021-05-01 10:29:09 <Forza> I like the idea of answer file. How would I apply it during setup/boot from usb stick? Simply add the answer file on the usb and then simply use `setup-alpline -f answer-file`?
2021-05-01 10:29:44 <Forza> can I add packages to be installed in the answer file?
2021-05-01 10:30:02 <ikke> No
2021-05-01 10:30:44 <ikke> You could use an APKOVL as a basis
2021-05-01 10:31:23 <Forza> is that overlay?
2021-05-01 10:31:41 <ikke> yes
2021-05-01 10:31:51 <ikke> normally used for run-from-ram systems
2021-05-01 10:32:15 <ikke> but I think you should be able to coopt that into to preparing an installer
2021-05-01 10:34:57 <Forza> I dont really need many packages other than nfs and iscsid (do you use targetcli in alpine?`)
2021-05-01 10:36:00 <ikke> I don't use it, but it's available
2021-05-01 10:56:56 <Forza> hm seems targetcli isn't available
2021-05-01 10:57:28 <ikke> It's in the community repo
2021-05-01 10:59:41 <Forza> Ah thanks =)
2021-05-01 11:03:03 <Forza> Works nice :) shame it brings in so many deps. But compared to ubuntu .... :D
2021-05-01 11:03:29 <ikke> Most seem to be python packages
2021-05-01 11:03:37 <ikke> and then dbus
2021-05-01 11:04:31 <Forza> yea. dbus is needed. and targetcli is a python script
2021-05-01 11:11:00 <Forza> Seems all I need is available in alpine. Pretty nice =)
2021-05-01 11:11:07 <ikke> Nice
2021-05-01 11:14:10 <Forza> Anything specic I should think about when installing on nvme (UEFI)?
2021-05-01 11:15:21 <Forza> dmes
2021-05-01 11:15:31 <Forza> ooops
2021-05-01 11:20:04 <Forza> Time to go and have a nice saturday. Thanks so much for your help
2021-05-01 11:20:30 <ikke> o/
2021-05-01 13:32:47 <tehcloud> new qemu, oh yeah
2021-05-01 15:54:21 <dj1> Hello. Anybody familiar with setting up al on rpi4?
2021-05-01 16:22:37 <artok> seems to run there
2021-05-01 16:41:54 <dj1> My question is not about whether or not, but on the specific setup ... if one planned on a desktop environment ... could a headless setup be taken into account?
2021-05-01 16:42:11 <dj1> sys mode installation is of course sufficient.
2021-05-01 16:49:13 <Forza> Is a rpi fast enough for a desktop?
2021-05-01 16:49:54 <ikke> rpi4 should certainly be
2021-05-01 17:00:06 <specing> it should be faster than desktops from 20 years ago
2021-05-01 17:00:38 <specing> But if you are buying something, buy a used thinkpad
2021-05-01 17:01:32 <helby> nothing beat old ThinkPads
2021-05-01 17:09:04 <helby> pretty weird that busybox ed is okay with utf-8 but vi or less is not
2021-05-01 17:09:20 <helby> and more also is okay
2021-05-01 17:15:18 <dj1> Well a rp4 has 4 Gig of ram .. leaving it with somthing like 2 Gigs of free RAM with tmpfs ... (my estimate) ... 4 cores at 1.8 GHz sounds also reasonable.
2021-05-01 17:15:20 <helby> less is missing just few characters, but vi miss everything :/
2021-05-01 17:16:50 <dj1> accompanied with 64 Gig fs on sdcard .. for me this sound ok. But actually i asked for someone with practical experience  with a setup like that.
2021-05-01 17:17:36 <specing> 4 GB RAM is insuficient these days
2021-05-01 17:17:43 <specing> I have problems with ff even with 8GB
2021-05-01 17:19:06 <specing> Linux-on-ARM is for appliances and dedicated systems. Like infotainment in cars or smartphones
2021-05-01 17:19:11 <specing> it's not for serious use
2021-05-01 17:19:29 <Sheila> that is simply untrue.
2021-05-01 17:19:47 <specing> you can't really get an ARM system with >16GB RAM, let alone it being field replaceable
2021-05-01 17:20:00 <specing> I/O expansion is typically also basic
2021-05-01 17:20:18 <Sheila> must be imagining the honeycomb...
2021-05-01 17:20:42 <dj1> Thank you for your comment specing .. but me things that depends on the usage .. my desktop at home (AMD based 2x3Ghz) has only 2 Gb RAM and I am fine with it ...
2021-05-01 17:20:46 <specing> The ARM SoCs that are x86-level in performance and expansion are not purchesable by "mortals", you have to be a company and order in bulk
2021-05-01 17:20:58 <dj1> ... would a ARM based system more demanding?
2021-05-01 17:21:01 <helby> just watch linux irc channels and u will see that most troubles are on arm
2021-05-01 17:21:29 <Sheila> again, I must be imagining the Honeycomb.
2021-05-01 17:22:01 <specing> dj1: no. If you are fine with 2GB ram nowadays then you could probably live with 4GB going forward
2021-05-01 17:22:33 <dj1> Thanks for your estimated, specing.
2021-05-01 17:22:35 <Sheila> yes, there's a serious dearth in consumer-oriented general-purpose ARM computers, but I think it's a mistake to write off general-purpose Linux on ARM based on that.
2021-05-01 17:22:41 <specing> But I don't know, the last desktop I purchased in 2013 has 16 GB RAM and it's often OOMing with Firefox
2021-05-01 17:22:54 <dj1> estimated -> estimate ... (curses keyboard)
2021-05-01 17:23:27 <specing> Sheila: I'm not writing it off entirely, I am hopeful that in the future we'll be able to buy owner-controllable ARM SoCs with x86-level performance. But this is simply not the case today
2021-05-01 17:23:29 <Sheila> (as an aside, my M1 MBA is doing just fine with 8GB.)
2021-05-01 17:24:05 <dj1> You manage to fill up 16 GB of RAM when surfing? What are you guys doing? :)
2021-05-01 17:24:10 <specing> Sheila: I don't know, but I imagine that apple hardware is more locked down than the local neighbourhoud ATM
2021-05-01 17:24:19 <Sheila> (yes, I'm aware that because it's running macOS "that's different", but unfortunately I don't have the luxury of using a free software desktop.)
2021-05-01 17:24:41 <Sheila> 
ACTION is legally blind, and her vision isn't stable.

2021-05-01 17:24:42 <helby> I use firefox and usually never go more than 2GB ram usage
2021-05-01 17:25:12 <specing> If I bought a new computer I'd look at more than 32 GB. You simply cannot get an ARM system with this much RAM
2021-05-01 17:25:19 <specing> your only options are x86 and POWER
2021-05-01 17:25:50 <Sheila> if I were to buy a new computer I'd get a Honeycomb if it absolutely *must* run Linux.
2021-05-01 17:26:13 <specing> Sheila: I hope you are contributing to make free software more friendly to people with disabilities :)
2021-05-01 17:26:18 <dj1> even better ... 32 Gigs now ... have I mentioned that I have started out with a 1 MB Atari ... and that was supposed to have plenty of mem.
2021-05-01 17:26:20 <Sheila> but I have in-house expertise if things break.
2021-05-01 17:26:54 <specing> dj1: my experience is that firefox can never have too much RAM D:
2021-05-01 17:27:08 <Sheila> specing: to the extent that I helped awilfox get QtSpeech going on Adélie a couple years ago, sure. not much else I can do.
2021-05-01 17:27:12 <dj1> @specing: True. :)
2021-05-01 17:27:49 <specing> I'm actually considering compiling ff for x86_32  and using it with multilib
2021-05-01 17:27:58 <specing> could probably save a lot of ram that way
2021-05-01 17:28:07 <Sheila> (contrary to what my parent thinks, I'm really not interested in software development as a career.)
2021-05-01 17:28:25 <dj1> Back in the 80ies Netscape was known as the killer for all systems ... and Mozilla is based on that. :) ... and that obviously still shows.
2021-05-01 17:28:26 <specing> Sheila: free software needs more than just programmers
2021-05-01 17:28:34 <helby> that's good, too much software already out there
2021-05-01 17:28:41 <Sheila> definitely.
2021-05-01 17:28:42 <specing> Sheila: writing good bug reports /feature requests is just as valuable
2021-05-01 17:28:59 <specing> and doing UX/promotion/artwork
2021-05-01 17:29:47 <Sheila> if I had my office going again I would at least be able to do KDE (and I have a 2012-era tower specifically for Linux usage, in part because I wanted to clean-room bootstrap ghc, etc.)
2021-05-01 17:30:26 <Sheila> (and it's one of the last AMD desktop processors to not have the ARM TrustZone core in it.)
2021-05-01 17:31:19 <dj1> Ok mes amis ... its been fun talking to all of ya ... but I am off ... see you, and thanks for all the fish. :)
2021-05-01 17:31:33 <dj1> 
ACTION waves good-bye.

2021-05-01 19:23:50 <Hello71> specing: isn't that x32
2021-05-01 19:24:07 <Hello71> notwithstanding that i doubt spidermonkey jit works in x32
2021-05-01 19:37:54 <specing> Hello71: x32 is 64-bit data, 32-bit pointers
2021-05-01 19:38:11 <specing> I don't think ff needs 64bit data, it's probably just pointer heavy
2021-05-01 19:38:14 <Hello71> what does "64-bit data" mean
2021-05-01 19:38:41 <ikke> registers?
2021-05-01 19:38:54 <Hello71> 64-bit registers are available, but you don't have to use them in x32 mode
2021-05-01 19:39:46 <Hello71> except for system calls i guess, but i think the overhead of an extra 32 bits is negligible there
2021-05-01 19:40:17 <Hello71> as i recall, the main point of x32 is that x86-64 has more gp registers
2021-05-01 19:51:09 <specing> hmm
2021-05-01 19:52:47 <Hello71> nobody actually uses ILP64, except apparently "HAL Computer Systems port of Solaris to the SPARC64"
2021-05-01 20:09:40 <specing> I ran an x86_x32 container once, and it was 10% faster in cryptsetup benchmark
2021-05-01 20:09:48 <specing> not sure why I didn't switch to it entirely
2021-05-01 20:39:41 <Forza> specing: you're in here too ;)
2021-05-01 20:40:44 <Forza> But wasn't x32 being phased out in favour of simply doing gcc -march=native?
2021-05-01 20:50:17 <specing> Forza: it was 10% faster than host, which was amd64 gentoo with -march=native
2021-05-01 20:54:59 <Forza> specing: not bad then!
2021-05-01 21:48:40 <Hello71> x32 and -march=native are totally orthogonal?
2021-05-01 21:50:32 <Sheila> Forza: x32 is just x64 with 32-bit pointers, it doesn't preclude -march=native.
2021-05-02 00:41:56 <Torr> What's up with "/sys/class/sound/card0"?
2021-05-02 00:42:36 <Torr> There is somewhat of an infinity directory inside it under "./device/sound/card0"
2021-05-02 00:43:32 <Torr> E.g. "/sys/class/sound/card0/device/sound/card0/device/sound/card0/..."
2021-05-02 01:05:42 <Hello71> that's how sysfs works
2021-05-02 01:06:22 <Hello71> correct unix programs are designed to deal with symbolic link loops
2021-05-02 01:39:23 <Torr> Hmm, very interesting indeed.
2021-05-02 01:40:04 <Torr> I'll have a deeper look at Sysfs, thanks for the direction.
2021-05-02 15:08:37 <detha> what maps nfs4 usernames to local usernames?
2021-05-02 16:26:14 <Avacado> Hello
2021-05-02 16:37:29 <oneinsect> hello avacado:
2021-05-02 16:38:09 <Avacado> oneinsect: Hows it going
2021-05-02 16:38:24 <oneinsect> not bad been tough here with the virus mutations
2021-05-02 16:38:41 <Avacado> oneinsect: that sucks
2021-05-02 16:38:54 <oneinsect> hmmmm...you need any help?
2021-05-02 16:39:18 <Avacado> oneinsect: just wondering how well alpine would run on an old core 2 duo e7200
2021-05-02 16:39:31 <oneinsect> runs very well
2021-05-02 16:39:34 <oneinsect> try it
2021-05-02 16:39:44 <oneinsect> i have core 2 quad which runs it
2021-05-02 16:39:51 <oneinsect> as well as old xeon x3430
2021-05-02 16:39:59 <Avacado> oneinsect: thanks hope you have a good day
2021-05-02 16:40:09 <oneinsect> most welcome
2021-05-02 16:57:12 <ikke> registers?
2021-05-02 16:57:20 <ikke> sry, ignore that
2021-05-02 16:58:36 <ikke> sry, ignore that
2021-05-02 17:03:08 <helby>  /ignore ikke
2021-05-02 17:58:17 <oneinsect> ikke:
2021-05-02 17:58:27 <oneinsect> https://github.com/alpinelinux/aports/blob/master/scripts/bootstrap.sh
2021-05-02 17:58:51 <oneinsect> thats the last step remaining for getting glibc working
2021-05-02 17:59:07 <oneinsect> somehow i am getting the order mixed up
2021-05-02 17:59:33 <oneinsect> figure out a correct way to crossbuild with glibc should complete the long pending port
2021-05-02 17:59:48 <ikke> bootstrap.sh should be one of the first steps
2021-05-02 17:59:51 <oneinsect> need to figure out*
2021-05-02 18:00:00 <oneinsect> i know
2021-05-02 18:00:59 <ikke> I don't have a lot of experience with this, so I cannot really help you
2021-05-02 18:02:13 <oneinsect> no problem and i wonder which packages is using BOOTSTRAP=bootimage variable
2021-05-02 18:02:19 <oneinsect> are using*
2021-05-02 18:13:26 <nature> Hi, I am currently at my second attempt installing alpine on my desktop and for the second time `setup-disk` utility is telling that I might need to fix the MBR to be able to boot.. I am a bit confused as to what to do, last time I just rebooted and it simply didn't boot.
2021-05-02 18:13:35 <nature> Any help would be appreciated :)
2021-05-02 18:14:53 <nature> Oh and for context I am following the manual installation and am trying to setup the UEFI+GPT disk setup
2021-05-02 18:16:49 <fuguenine> I have quite a few old and slow machines. Alpine with Xfce seems to work well. For donating, I'm writing the default password on a taped note on the laptops. Right now I have 2 main problems:
2021-05-02 18:16:50 <fuguenine> How would an user, say the first device in their life/family, connect to WiFi? There's network-manager-applet, but that's for networkmanager, not openrc networking. TUI would probably suffice as well.
2021-05-02 18:16:50 <fuguenine> Is there an easy way to provide offline docs+wiki of alpine? I guess I'll gen the docs myself, and wget --mirror the wiki. | I'd hoped for a package to install to get at least the docs.
2021-05-02 18:31:20 <wdtTP2O82Kft> not sure if i would give an alpine system to a family member who is not able to run strace and figure problems out themselves.
2021-05-02 18:32:00 <ikke> It's not meant for that anyway
2021-05-02 18:34:27 <helby> I never used strace and alpine works well :/
2021-05-02 18:36:07 <Sheila> I don't think I'd give an Alpine device to someone unless I were explicitly tech support for that device.
2021-05-02 18:41:08 <helby> so again only one using alpine ... :/
2021-05-02 19:23:06 <pitchzer0> Someone here running a diskless alpine with additional kernelmodules?
2021-05-02 19:34:09 <nature> Is UEFI support considered shit?
2021-05-02 19:34:46 <nature> I  just spent my whole afternoon trying to install alpine on my desktop with the UEFI+GPT setup and it simply won't boot...
2021-05-02 19:36:48 <jmercan> I just worked for me except when I used cryptdevice instead of cryptroot + cryptdm out of habit
2021-05-02 19:37:06 <jmercan> *it
2021-05-02 19:38:13 <Apachez> dmcrypt?
2021-05-02 19:38:20 <jmercan> LUKS
2021-05-02 19:38:28 <Apachez> ubuntu works so I dunno
2021-05-02 19:38:42 <Apachez> but there is also the microsoft malware shim poison when using UEFI so I dunno
2021-05-02 19:40:16 <jvoisin> why malware?
2021-05-02 19:40:25 <jmercan> My woes have been mostly GRUB2 specific though I'll admit
2021-05-02 19:41:59 <fuguenine> wdtTP2O82Kft: not a family member, not someone I even know; what would be the alternative? The machines are old intel atoms, essentially raspi 1 grade.
2021-05-02 19:42:49 <fuguenine> I'd see them well usable as netbooks, assuming they _can_ connect to WiFi.
2021-05-02 19:44:35 <Sheila> I'd probably do an Ubuntu spin with MATE.
2021-05-02 19:45:13 <Sheila> which I hate to recommend in general, but it'd be easier for someone to support themselves if they had to.
2021-05-02 19:52:15 <helby> nature: works well here, even without grub nonsense
2021-05-02 19:52:35 <nature> helby: Holy shit how did you do it?
2021-05-02 19:52:44 <helby> nature: just default installation, not custom
2021-05-02 19:52:59 <nature> ok yeah so dos partition and Mmbr
2021-05-02 19:53:06 <nature> that's what I am doing right now
2021-05-02 19:53:13 <specing> nature: can the computer run Coreboot?
2021-05-02 19:53:32 <specing> you could then have "GRUB in bios" and load just the kernels from disk
2021-05-02 19:53:32 <helby> nature: well, so do default installation, then maybe check what it did, then u can repeat it yourself
2021-05-02 19:53:45 <nature> specing: no idea I would need to check
2021-05-02 19:53:49 <helby> or check setup-disk script what it does
2021-05-02 19:54:10 <helby> maybe bootloader is your issue? do u use grub?
2021-05-02 19:55:43 <helby> also keep in mind, that wiki is crap, many thinks there are outdated
2021-05-02 19:57:53 <nature> helby: Yeah I am realizing that...
2021-05-02 19:58:24 <nature> You have repetition all over the places with slight differences and you don't know which one is correct...
2021-05-02 19:58:44 <helby> usually not even one is correct
2021-05-02 19:58:51 <nature> Ok rebooting, let's see
2021-05-02 19:59:00 <helby> I think for uefi u need grub
2021-05-02 19:59:06 <nature> And shit is broken again...
2021-05-02 19:59:13 <helby> that syslinux or whatever is mentioned there will not work
2021-05-02 19:59:19 <nature> I gave up on UEFI, trying with BIOS now
2021-05-02 19:59:21 <Sheila> grub, gummiboot (if you can even find it), or so.
2021-05-02 19:59:42 <Sheila> you also need the installer environment to have been booted from UEFI.
2021-05-02 20:00:06 <Sheila> (in order for e.g. grub to be able to work with efivars fs)
2021-05-02 20:03:00 <helby> yes, it help to turn of cms or whatever crap in bios, to allow boot only uefi
2021-05-02 20:04:16 <nature> I managed to boot now, had to manually dd the mbr on the disk
2021-05-02 20:04:52 <nature> I didn't expect this installation to take so long, I learned how to speed run the manual installation at least
2021-05-02 20:05:25 <nature> so yeah, went with BIOS+MBR and much less issues there
2021-05-02 20:05:31 <helby> next time go just setup-alpine and u will be done withing a minute with few times enter's hits
2021-05-02 20:05:50 <nature> yeah maybe I'll just do that next time
2021-05-02 20:07:37 <nature> Thanks anyway for the suggestions :)
2021-05-02 20:08:33 <helby> what u did so 'custom' that it requires 'custom installation' ?
2021-05-02 20:09:47 <nature> Simply followed this: https://docs.alpinelinux.org/user-handbook/0.1a/Installing/manual.html
2021-05-02 20:15:06 <helby> I think shitty grub wants /boot/efi not boot
2021-05-02 20:16:18 <Sheila> /boot is fine, but mount the ESP to /boot/efi and tell it --efi-directory=/boot/efi
2021-05-02 20:17:45 <jmercan> oh also just for the note because it is mentioned, gummiboot is now systemd-boot
2021-05-02 20:18:21 <jmercan> apart from requiring /boot to be FAT32 it is the sanest bootloader so far
2021-05-02 20:19:03 <helby> but fat32 is requirements of any uefi boot I think?
2021-05-02 20:19:24 <Sheila> gummiboot only required the esp to be fat32
2021-05-02 20:19:43 <Sheila> not that it matters since when I used it I used the esp as /boot, so...
2021-05-02 20:19:58 <Sheila> 
ACTION just uses grub these days.

2021-05-02 20:20:11 <jmercan> helby: its only for esp not the whole boot
2021-05-02 20:20:15 <helby> I always set up grup with 'apk del grub' after installation
2021-05-02 20:20:42 <helby> then load kernel directly from uefi
2021-05-02 20:21:20 <helby> jmercan: well that's too complicated anyway, boot, then boot/efi this and that, too many shits
2021-05-02 20:23:51 <helby> also grub is 17MB unnecessary nonsense
2021-05-02 20:24:07 <jmercan> to be fair systemd-boot does indeed "just work" when you point it to the /boot and is very tiny comparatively
2021-05-02 20:24:36 <jmercan> the only part where it is integrated with the rest of the ecosystem is mostly through its automation etc.
2021-05-02 20:25:13 <Apachez> jmercan: just dont :)
2021-05-02 20:25:42 <jmercan> everyone could use a better bootloader
2021-05-02 20:26:06 <helby> well if u have systemd already, it's still better then to install another bullshit over it
2021-05-02 20:27:30 <helby> on other hand, if u already have systemd in your system, u are already fucked up
2021-05-02 20:27:32 <jmercan> good ideas are good ideas no matter where it comes from
2021-05-02 20:28:05 <helby> well, red hat or gnu usually don't have good ideas :/
2021-05-02 20:28:43 <helby> there is just one cool part of GNU and that's Richard :/
2021-05-02 20:29:25 <jmercan> yeah i am not going to touch that dumpsterfire
2021-05-03 03:44:59 <AnonToday> ERROR: unable to select packages: so:libbfd-2.35.1.so (no such package): required by: ocaml-4.08.1-r5[so:libbfd-2.35.1.so]
2021-05-03 03:47:40 <AnonToday> seems like a known issue https://gitlab.alpinelinux.org/alpine/aports/-/issues/12629
2021-05-03 04:41:50 <ikke> AnonToday: seems like ocaml needs to be rebuilt
2021-05-03 12:52:03 <aki> :-)
2021-05-03 12:52:22 <aki> Honestly I'm not (yet?) an Alpine user
2021-05-03 12:53:06 <aki> Just getting tired with systemd of my distro and taking a glance at possible systemd-free choices
2021-05-03 12:53:34 <aki> And I found the https://alpinelinux.org webpage
2021-05-03 12:54:03 <aki> Maybe..?
2021-05-03 12:54:35 <aki> But there something missing which usually is present on other distro projects:
2021-05-03 12:55:06 <aki> Who are the developers? Are there any sponsors? Foundation or sth. like this?
2021-05-03 12:55:33 <aki> Is there any own Security Team (the webpage says it is secure)?
2021-05-03 12:55:40 <ikke> There is no foundation or other legal entity
2021-05-03 12:55:46 <aki> In short: who are "We"?
2021-05-03 12:56:09 <oneinsect> everyone like you who just came together
2021-05-03 12:56:35 <ikke> ncopa is the maintainer, assisted by a community of volunteers
2021-05-03 12:56:40 <jvoisin> as for the sponsors: https://alpinelinux.org/sponsors/
2021-05-03 12:57:30 <aki> Something like, for example: https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Project:Security
2021-05-03 12:57:31 <aki> ?
2021-05-03 12:58:27 <aki> Verified developers with PGP keys?
2021-05-03 12:58:31 <Sheila> a foundation is in the works, I thoght.
2021-05-03 13:00:40 <ikke> https://gitlab.alpinelinux.org/groups/team/security/-/group_members
2021-05-03 13:01:23 <ikke> We're still working on formalizing the security team
2021-05-03 13:01:58 <aki> Access granted... let's say: recently ;-)
2021-05-03 13:02:56 <aki> OK, I believe I've received the information I was looking for
2021-05-03 13:02:59 <aki> Thank you
2021-05-03 13:03:50 <aki> bye
2021-05-03 14:51:39 <nature> I just realized that by having networking in the boot runlevel, my computer first waits for the dhcp request to finish before giving me a login prompt, how bad is it to put networking in the default runlevel in order to not wait for the network before printing a login prompt?
2021-05-03 14:54:37 <Naib> nature: depends. is there anything once you login that requires network?
2021-05-03 14:54:55 <Naib> ie does the user have some .bashrc that needs network or some gui that needs it
2021-05-03 15:01:44 <Apachez> there is some workaround for that which I dont remember
2021-05-03 15:01:59 <Apachez> I think its a syntax for the dhclient so it can fetch the ip but not stalling the script
2021-05-03 15:30:46 <helby> there option for background, but not sure when it goes and how long it stays there
2021-05-03 15:32:10 <helby> also if u move it after login, there should be not any issue I assume, as while u login and start your first app, it will get lease
2021-05-03 15:33:00 <helby> no idea what these ifupdownrightleft crap do
2021-05-03 15:33:48 <Torr> Has anybody tested Pipewire already?
2021-05-03 15:34:04 <Cogitri> Some folks are using it as replacement for pulse already
2021-05-03 15:35:18 <jvoisin> the latest Fedora does as well iirc
2021-05-03 15:36:07 <Cogitri> Yes, F34 uses pipewire by default
2021-05-03 15:36:12 <Cogitri> it's pretty neat
2021-05-03 15:38:44 <exception> Pipewire works for most things (at least for me)
2021-05-03 15:39:57 <Torr> Nice
2021-05-03 15:41:47 <exception>  u can disable networking  if u use something else like iwd
2021-05-03 17:30:31 <jkdey-better> Hi there, anyone know why cyrus-sasl-plain is no longer in 3.13? Trying to get qpid-proton to function with plain SASL auth on Alpine for some ActiveMQ services...
2021-05-03 17:32:47 <ikke> "cyrus-sasl-plain was merged into libsasl because it is a required mechanism"
2021-05-03 17:33:55 <jkdey-better> :O  How did you find that out?
2021-05-03 17:36:36 <ikke> git log --grep cyrus-sasl-plain
2021-05-03 17:41:41 <jkdey-better> thank you! I will look in the commit messages for the aports repo in the future
2021-05-03 17:50:54 <nature> Thanks helby !
2021-05-03 18:25:37 <outerpassage> anything in particular I should be aware of installing alpine on a laptop (dell xps 13)? have been using it happily on my desktop for a few months now
2021-05-03 18:26:08 <ikke> I guess things like driver support?
2021-05-03 18:42:10 <outerpassage> mhm
2021-05-03 18:49:51 <helby> outerpassage: move on, it will fly
2021-05-03 18:51:02 <outerpassage> ?
2021-05-03 18:51:57 <helby> I would just check arch wiki if there is some crap
2021-05-03 18:52:11 <outerpassage> ah yeah good idea
2021-05-03 18:53:18 <mcrute> not sure about Alpine but I run Fedora on my XPS 13 (2019 model) and everything works really well. all the drivers are in mainline Linux
2021-05-03 18:54:04 <mcrute> wifi chipset power management occasionally causes the wifi to not resume from suspend. disabling that fixed the issue
2021-05-03 18:54:51 <outerpassage> thanks, good to know
2021-05-03 18:55:10 <mcrute> it's a really awesome Linux laptop :-)
2021-05-03 19:07:10 <markand> are we disabling some flags for chromium? I see that in RPi 4 it's not hardware accelerated due to a missing library:
2021-05-03 19:07:21 <markand> Failed to load /usr/lib/chromium/libGLESv2.so: Error loading shared library /usr/lib/chromium/libGLESv2.so: No such file or directory
2021-05-03 19:08:13 <markand> it exists in /usr/lib/chromium/swiftshader/libGLESv2.so though
2021-05-03 19:20:33 <nature> I am having a bit of trouble with xdm, it doesn't display any font or anything
2021-05-03 19:20:56 <nature> just the username and password fields and they stay blank
2021-05-03 19:21:23 <nature> there are a few glitches where the field names disappear for a few seconds as well
2021-05-03 19:21:30 <nature> Am I missing a package?
2021-05-03 19:21:45 <ikke> Do you have any fonts installed?
2021-05-03 19:22:20 <nature> ttf-liberation is installed
2021-05-03 19:23:25 <nature> Does it need extra configuration?
2021-05-03 19:24:08 <ikke> Not familiar with xdm
2021-05-03 19:33:16 <mps> iirc, xdm doesn't support ttf
2021-05-04 00:54:40 <Torr> Folks
2021-05-04 00:54:47 <Torr> Anybody running Firefox?
2021-05-04 00:54:59 <Torr> I am not beeing able to make it recognize my mic.
2021-05-04 00:55:17 <Torr> At first I thought it was related to this issue:
2021-05-04 00:55:17 <Torr> 	https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/vim_dev/-4pqDJfHCsM/LkYNCpZjQ70J
2021-05-04 00:56:25 <Torr> Ops
2021-05-04 00:56:28 <Torr> This link:
2021-05-04 00:56:28 <Torr> https://bugs.debian.org/960301
2021-05-04 00:56:46 <Torr> But I just installed the 88 version and it still not working.
2021-05-04 01:16:25 <outerpassage> Torr: are you using just alsa, or pulseaudio, or something else?
2021-05-04 01:16:49 <Hello71> they left already
2021-05-04 01:17:03 <outerpassage> ah
2021-05-04 02:37:01 <Cody> How do I match a short alpine revision ID to a commit or repo? For example: "20210212"
2021-05-04 02:37:26 <Cody> Like, how does that correspond to aports?
2021-05-04 08:42:36 <outerpassage> > You can tweak the kernel for desktop use and low latency and responsiveness.
2021-05-04 08:43:26 <outerpassage> any recommended reading on this?
2021-05-04 08:43:40 <outerpassage> (from https://wiki.alpinelinux.org/wiki/Custom_Kernel)
2021-05-04 09:03:34 <mps> outerpassage: there is linux-edge pkg made to be fast by default
2021-05-04 09:05:08 <outerpassage> good to know
2021-05-04 09:27:45 <helby> updated ssl_client and libretls, now catgirl nor irssi can't verify TLS certificate :/  any idea?
2021-05-04 09:29:24 <mps> expected to see something like this
2021-05-04 09:29:39 <mps> :(
2021-05-04 09:53:55 <helby> obviously everything has issue now, like email client ...
2021-05-04 10:13:08 <donoban> maybe it changed the CA paths?
2021-05-04 10:14:50 <donoban> uhM, no
2021-05-04 10:17:10 <helby> I did not pay attention to that update much
2021-05-04 10:17:34 <helby> I think libretls replaces libtls-standalone or something like that
2021-05-04 10:18:00 <donoban>     main/libtls-standalone: remove, fixes #11695
2021-05-04 10:20:21 <donoban> can you check if you have "ca-certificates-bundle" instlaled?
2021-05-04 10:20:56 <helby> I have just ca-certificates
2021-05-04 10:21:15 <donoban> https://pkgs.alpinelinux.org/package/edge/main/ppc64le/ca-certificates-bundle
2021-05-04 10:21:39 <helby> oh that fixed that issue
2021-05-04 10:21:50 <helby> but it's not any depenedency of anything so
2021-05-04 10:21:53 <donoban> it was required by libtls-standadlone but not for libretls
2021-05-04 10:22:10 <donoban> it seems that there is a dependency problem
2021-05-04 10:22:39 <helby> okay
2021-05-04 10:23:57 <donoban> Ariadne: could you take a look there?
2021-05-04 10:27:03 <helby> I really don't like all hat crypto bullshit, always something complain and I have no idea what's about
2021-05-04 10:28:19 <helby> moved some folder or deleted something, now for sata's sake can't uninstall or install package bc. bad signature or whatever
2021-05-04 10:28:42 <helby> from local
2021-05-04 10:28:51 <donoban> apk fails?
2021-05-04 10:30:05 <donoban> if you are running edge you should expect this kind of things broken and problems
2021-05-04 10:30:24 <helby> no, this is related to builded package myself
2021-05-04 10:31:00 <helby> probably deleted it from packages folder or whatever, then it somehow ...
2021-05-04 10:31:12 <donoban> uhM, maybe it needs to be reconfigured and rebuilded
2021-05-04 10:36:12 <helby> tried, but did not work, had ot reinstall from repository, will rebuild my packages again
2021-05-04 10:36:39 <helby> bc. some packages from repository are full of shit :/
2021-05-04 10:36:45 <helby> like mutt with gpg
2021-05-04 10:37:12 <helby> or what's that crap called
2021-05-04 10:38:53 <donoban> :(
2021-05-04 10:46:54 <helby> bc. just that gnupg with dependencies make relatively small email client monster
2021-05-04 10:49:36 <helby> it would be nice if there are 'flavors' of packages
2021-05-04 11:03:58 <helby> donoban: but if I remember well I think I did not have ca-bundle before while there were libtl standaole
2021-05-04 11:07:46 <donoban> it seems a libtls-standalone dependency
2021-05-04 11:08:23 <donoban> there is also ca-certificates
2021-05-04 11:09:30 <donoban> maybhe the bundle is obsolete now but did you say your problem was fixed after installing it?
2021-05-04 11:10:15 <helby> yes, fixed, but if I have extra package I am not okay :)
2021-05-04 11:11:08 <donoban> heh
2021-05-04 11:11:25 <helby> now in /etc/ssl all certs are just symlinks to /ca-cer...bundle
2021-05-04 11:11:32 <helby> /etc/ca-cer...bundle
2021-05-04 11:11:57 <donoban> I don't know too much about this
2021-05-04 11:12:21 <helby> nobody know, bc. it's encrypted :D
2021-05-04 11:12:33 <donoban> :)
2021-05-04 11:14:28 <helby> funny is that default installer installs openssl
2021-05-04 11:14:39 <helby> I don't have it and I don't missed it once
2021-05-04 13:10:18 <PureTryOut[m]2> Does apk log it's actions somewhere? As in, if I did an `apk upgrade` 2 days ago, can I now check what it upgraded?
2021-05-04 13:11:50 <ikke> No
2021-05-04 13:49:25 <Ariadne> donoban: imo ca-certificates-bundle should be part of alpine-base, but i'll stick in libretls for now
2021-05-04 13:51:09 <PureTryOut[m]2> Ah darn
2021-05-04 13:54:14 <minimal> Ariadne: I don't think the dep on ca-certificates-bundle is a good idea - I much prefer ca-certificates as then I can decide whether to (easily) remove some CAs from being trusted on a local machine
2021-05-04 13:55:15 <minimal> there's currently no real way to have a locally customised set of trusted CAs in Alpine
2021-05-04 14:07:02 <mps> I don't trust any certificate
2021-05-04 14:07:23 <minimal> mps: not even self-signed ones? ;-)
2021-05-04 14:07:39 <mps> little more but not fully
2021-05-04 14:08:21 <mps> though yes, for my services I control I use always self signed ones
2021-05-04 14:08:38 <jvoisin> sigh, it would be nice to get rid of exim :/
2021-05-04 14:09:04 <mps> jvoisin: agree
2021-05-04 14:09:30 <Ariadne> minimal: yes, but right now libtls needs the bundle :)
2021-05-04 14:09:53 <jvoisin> https://pkgs.alpinelinux.org/packages?name=exim&branch=edge meh
2021-05-04 14:10:25 <minimal> not just it - py3-requests deps on py3-certifi which deps ca-certificates-bundle
2021-05-04 14:12:15 <minimal> Ariadne: how would you suggest to set up a machine-wide (i.e. not for specific software) customised CA set? I assume if I rebuild the CRT file that an upgrade to a newer version of ca-certificates-bundle will undo such customisation
2021-05-04 14:12:21 <mps> minimal: in God we trust, all rest we verify with pgp :)
2021-05-04 14:13:30 <Ariadne> jvoisin: heh :)
2021-05-04 14:15:57 <Sheila> minimal: probably some tool that fetches the complete bundle on first install, with the ability to build a bundle from the present certs, such that the certs aren't part of the package?
2021-05-04 14:16:39 <minimal> Sheila: well I was thinking more of ca-certificates generating the bundle from the individual certs upon install & upgrade
2021-05-04 14:16:59 <Sheila> that also sounds reasonable.
2021-05-04 14:17:05 <minimal> rather than having a distinct bundle package - so ca-certificates would manage both separate certs AND the bundle
2021-05-04 14:17:27 <minimal> Ariadne: what do you think?
2021-05-04 14:18:46 <Ariadne> i think i don't want to deal with this right now
2021-05-04 14:19:04 <Ariadne> please write a system change proposal and send it to the list :)
2021-05-04 14:19:31 <minimal> no problem - its not a critical thing, rather something I've been wondering how to resolve for some time
2021-05-04 14:19:35 <Ariadne> we can figure out how to fix this correctly in 3.15
2021-05-04 14:19:57 <mps> something like update-ca-certificates script in debian
2021-05-04 14:20:31 <Ariadne> yes
2021-05-04 14:20:36 <Ariadne> thats how it used to work :p
2021-05-04 14:20:49 <Ariadne> i'm not sure where this ca-certificates-bundle stuff came from
2021-05-04 14:21:01 <Ariadne> hince why it needs further discussion
2021-05-04 14:21:04 <mps> nor do I :)
2021-05-04 14:21:16 <minimal> mps: there already is an update script in ca-certificates, based on the Debian one, its used to rehash the softlinks for the individual cert files
2021-05-04 14:21:31 <minimal> so it could be extended to build-rebuild the bundle file also
2021-05-04 14:21:31 <mps> minimal: yes I know ;)
2021-05-04 14:22:13 <mps> but our is compiled binary, not script
2021-05-04 14:22:35 <minimal> from memory its a shell script that calls the c_rehash binary
2021-05-04 14:23:11 <minimal> as i've been meaning to raise a MR to fix an minor bug in the c_rehash binary
2021-05-04 14:23:55 <mps> file /usr/sbin/update-ca-certificates => ELF 64-bit LSB pie executable, ARM aarch64, ....
2021-05-04 14:25:44 <minimal> ok you're right, has been a couple of months since I looked at it
2021-05-04 14:26:40 <mps> apk version ca-certificates => ca-certificates-20191127-r5
2021-05-04 14:27:04 <mps> I always think it is outdated but never looked why
2021-05-04 14:29:34 <minimal> It was /etc/ca-certificates/update.d/certhash I was thinking of
2021-05-04 18:16:57 <madhurranjan> ikke you had mentioned the package name matching between nvd and alpine is under way. Can one or two of us help in that effort ? Who should we contact regarding that ?
2021-05-04 18:17:36 <ikke> join #alpine-security
2021-05-04 18:18:00 <madhurranjan> ack
2021-05-04 19:05:42 <helby> should apk log actions like in https://gitlab.alpinelinux.org/alpine/apk-tools/-/merge_requests/55 ?
2021-05-04 19:06:11 <helby> somehow it does not :/
2021-05-04 19:52:17 <Torr> apk-del automatically removes dependencies, right?
2021-05-04 19:53:52 <jvoisin> yes
2021-05-04 19:54:20 <Torr> Then why is there a <-r> flag?
2021-05-04 19:54:51 <ikke> athat's the other way around
2021-05-04 19:55:14 <ikke> reverse dependencies
2021-05-04 19:55:55 <ikke> https://ariadne.space/2021/04/25/why-apk-tools-is-different-than-other-package-managers/
2021-05-04 19:56:31 <Torr> Indeed
2021-05-04 19:56:32 <Ariadne> apk del -r is scary
2021-05-04 19:56:35 <Ariadne> don't use it
2021-05-04 19:56:36 <Ariadne> :p
2021-05-04 19:57:07 <ikke> yes, you can tell apk to delete system packages
2021-05-04 19:57:14 <Ariadne> -r basically gives the package manager carte blanche permission to edit /etc/apk/world
2021-05-04 19:57:23 <Ariadne> to solve conflicts
2021-05-04 19:59:24 <helby> well, I just sometimes delete linux, otherwise it works well :/
2021-05-04 19:59:58 <helby> bc. no logs, I usually get it after reboot
2021-05-04 20:01:11 <Ariadne> helby: apk log is only enabled in apk3 tree atm i think
2021-05-04 20:08:46 <helby> thanks, did not know there is apk3 ;0
2021-05-04 20:09:32 <ikke> it's still under developmnet
2021-05-04 20:14:00 <helby> like 'next big thing', understand ;)
2021-05-04 20:14:56 <Apachez> "everything will be so much better" ;)
2021-05-04 20:15:13 <helby> I bet ;)
2021-05-04 20:17:13 <helby> it looks active, somebody by mistake touched it a month ago ;)
2021-05-04 20:17:48 <Apachez> "by mistake" :D
2021-05-04 20:17:59 <Apachez> its like on windows shares when you enter a dir
2021-05-04 20:18:08 <Apachez> and the last modified gets updated for no reason =)
2021-05-04 20:18:17 <Apachez> "oh snap!"
2021-05-04 20:21:57 <helby> windows shares? what's that?
2021-05-04 20:22:45 <helby> the first word does not sound well :/
2021-05-04 20:23:43 <helby> anyway I figured out, why I so often delete kernel, it will be that -r option on del
2021-05-04 21:56:01 <Torr> What could be leading the Bluez controller to constantly print this: [DEL] Controller 9C:AD:97:FE:5D:86 BlueZ 5.55
2021-05-04 21:56:06 <Torr> ?
2021-05-04 21:56:46 <Torr> It seems to not be advertising or detecting other devices too.
2021-05-04 23:40:57 <rsc> Uhm, is there a specific reason why tls_default_ca_cert_file() in libressl-dev is missing on ppc64le (while it's there for x86 etc.)?
2021-05-05 03:48:54 <CAPTCHA_REQUIRED> Hello, Where is setup-alpine located inside the iso?
2021-05-05 03:49:12 <CAPTCHA_REQUIRED> And all the other files for that matter too
2021-05-05 03:56:21 <CAPTCHA_REQUIRED> Oh my god
2021-05-05 03:56:26 <CAPTCHA_REQUIRED> The captcha sucks on the wiki
2021-05-05 03:57:07 <halosghost> have you considered mounting it and running `find`?
2021-05-05 03:58:45 <CAPTCHA_REQUIRED> Fucking hell, what does it mean '8th' digit? Backwards forwards?
2021-05-05 03:58:50 <CAPTCHA_REQUIRED> halosghost: yes
2021-05-05 03:59:03 <halosghost> what did you end up with?
2021-05-05 03:59:30 <CAPTCHA_REQUIRED> I found a squashfs filesystem which contained a linux root, but /sbin/ did not contain setup-alpine
2021-05-05 03:59:34 <CAPTCHA_REQUIRED> Only busybox
2021-05-05 03:59:43 <CAPTCHA_REQUIRED> And a few libraries like libzstd.so
2021-05-05 04:00:02 <CAPTCHA_REQUIRED> I also found a gziped cpio archive but it only contained firmware blobs
2021-05-05 04:01:07 <CAPTCHA_REQUIRED> Oh, and kernel modules
2021-05-05 04:01:43 <CAPTCHA_REQUIRED> Is setup-alpine provided by an apk, and if so which one?
2021-05-05 04:02:14 <CAPTCHA_REQUIRED> There's only apk, bootchartd (shell script), and nlplug-findfs
2021-05-05 04:02:28 <CAPTCHA_REQUIRED> In the booted system / is just a tmpfs
2021-05-05 04:03:15 <CAPTCHA_REQUIRED> But.... It contains more than this squashfs so I'm thinking it might install all the apks on boot, but i'd really hate of have to dissect every single apk on the iso file
2021-05-05 04:03:37 <CAPTCHA_REQUIRED> Apk itself is poorly documented https://wiki.alpinelinux.org/wiki/Apk_spec
2021-05-05 04:05:36 <halosghost> have you mounted the squashfs then?
2021-05-05 04:06:42 <CAPTCHA_REQUIRED> Yes
2021-05-05 04:07:13 <CAPTCHA_REQUIRED> I've since just extracted it into a folder so i don't have to keep mounting it, since not a lot of tooling supports sqaushfs-xz
2021-05-05 04:09:47 <CAPTCHA_REQUIRED> Oh
2021-05-05 04:09:51 <CAPTCHA_REQUIRED> Alpine-conf
2021-05-05 04:35:52 <CAPTCHA_REQUIRED> I can't register on the wiki. It says There seems to be a problem with your login session; this action has been canceled as a precaution against session hijacking. Please resubmit the form.
2021-05-05 04:38:29 <CAPTCHA_REQUIRED> It worked that time
2021-05-05 04:38:32 <CAPTCHA_REQUIRED> Huh
2021-05-05 04:38:39 <CAPTCHA_REQUIRED> Thanks for fixing it
2021-05-05 04:39:51 <ikke> I didn't do anything :)
2021-05-05 04:40:57 <CAPTCHA_REQUIRED> I'd recommend putting a (from the left) at the end of the captcha question. The way it's worded is a little weird and throws people off
2021-05-05 04:41:56 <halosghost> that's kind of the point
2021-05-05 04:42:03 <halosghost> (very à la Arch)
2021-05-05 04:44:21 <CAPTCHA_REQUIRED> I thought the point of a captcha was to throw bots off, not sentients
2021-05-05 04:44:43 <CAPTCHA_REQUIRED> If you couldn't tell, I really hate captchas
2021-05-05 04:44:50 <CAPTCHA_REQUIRED> At least it wasn't a google recraptcha
2021-05-05 04:45:04 <halosghost> well
2021-05-05 04:45:09 <halosghost> originally, sure
2021-05-05 04:45:22 <halosghost> (hence the acronym "captcha")
2021-05-05 04:45:53 <halosghost> but, Arch uses it on the BBS essentially as a bar-for-entry (you must be at least this *gestures* familiar with linux to participate in the Arch community)
2021-05-05 04:46:03 <halosghost> (and also to stop bots)
2021-05-05 04:46:20 <halosghost> I imagine alpine uses it for a somewhat similar reason
2021-05-05 04:46:42 <ikke> Not really, we are not gating
2021-05-05 04:46:50 <halosghost> that's nice
2021-05-05 04:48:24 <CAPTCHA_REQUIRED> I was about to say
2021-05-05 04:48:29 <CAPTCHA_REQUIRED> I think gatekeeping is toxic
2021-05-05 04:49:42 <CAPTCHA_REQUIRED> What I was saying was I was getting confused over it being tenth from the right or tenth tenth in math terms
2021-05-05 04:49:53 <CAPTCHA_REQUIRED> It's a linguistic problem
2021-05-05 05:02:36 <halosghost> gatekeeping is… complicated
2021-05-05 05:02:41 <halosghost> I think I'm generally against it
2021-05-05 05:03:03 <halosghost> and I'm struggling to think of a defensible example really
2021-05-05 05:03:17 <halosghost> but I also hesitate to dismiss it out-of-hand in its entirety
2021-05-05 05:03:19 <halosghost> 🤷
2021-05-05 05:11:49 <CAPTCHA_REQUIRED> It's good that your sanity checking yourself there trying to think about it from both angles
2021-05-05 05:15:39 <CAPTCHA_REQUIRED> In regards to the alpine wiki though, your really not in a position to be nit-picky when it comes to people willing to write documentation
2021-05-05 05:15:47 <CAPTCHA_REQUIRED> https://wiki.alpinelinux.org/wiki/Apk_spec
2021-05-05 05:18:56 <ikke> Maybe clarify that it's the apk v2 spec
2021-05-05 05:19:29 <ikke> oh, it'salready older
2021-05-05 06:49:47 <hsp> Where are the downloaded packages stored during the upgrade? I do not find them
2021-05-05 06:53:01 <ikke> They are not stored by default
2021-05-05 06:53:18 <ikke> Apk streams them directly
2021-05-05 06:55:46 <hsp> jo
2021-05-05 09:39:19 <munkey59> I'm trying to log my packets using ipfilter but it's not showing up in /var/log/messages and it has no /var/log/kern.log ... I've searched online but can't find a solution. Can someone help?
2021-05-05 09:46:02 <CAPTCHA_REQUIRED> Also interested in any responses to munkey59's question
2021-05-05 10:04:37 <ismaell> hi
2021-05-05 10:05:17 <ismaell> I've just upgraded to 3.13 and found out that hash db type doesn't work anymore on postfix
2021-05-05 10:06:21 <ismaell> I'm guessing that's a packaging issue
2021-05-05 10:06:57 <ikke> It's in the release notes
2021-05-05 10:08:19 <ismaell> I failed to see that, could you give me a pointer?
2021-05-05 10:09:37 <ikke> https://alpinelinux.org/posts/Alpine-3.13.0-released.html
2021-05-05 10:26:20 <munkey59> (repost) I'm trying to log my packets using ipfilter but it's not showing up in /var/log/messages and it has no /var/log/kern.log ... I've searched online but can't find a solution. Can someone help?
2021-05-05 10:46:51 <CAPTCHA_REQUIRED> » Oracle has changed the license of BDB to AGPL-3.0, making it unsuitable to link to packages with GPL-incompatible licenses. Since the old version is no longer maintained, the db package is now deprecated. Alpine Linux packages are being transitioned to alternatives or, where no alternatives exist, removed entirely.
2021-05-05 10:46:51 <CAPTCHA_REQUIRED> Why is Alpine removing AGPL packages? I really don't care for the shoving of permissive loicenses down my throat for some gpl-hating purpose
2021-05-05 10:47:54 <ikke> There is certainly no GPL hating stuff going on
2021-05-05 10:48:11 <ikke> AGPL is tricky, but AGPL for libraries is just stupid
2021-05-05 10:48:37 <ikke> In any case, you cannot use AGPL bdb together with postfix
2021-05-05 10:49:49 <CAPTCHA_REQUIRED> I'm worried about lmdb as the supposed alternative
2021-05-05 10:50:03 <CAPTCHA_REQUIRED> Lmdb on zfs is a pita
2021-05-05 10:50:13 <CAPTCHA_REQUIRED> It's copy-on-write on copy-on-write
2021-05-05 10:50:50 <CAPTCHA_REQUIRED> Have you tried it on a large lmdb database?
2021-05-05 10:50:55 <ikke> These tables should be mostly read-only, right?
2021-05-05 10:51:05 <CAPTCHA_REQUIRED> It just sits there and sputters for days on end
2021-05-05 10:51:46 <ikke> There is more than just lmdb, though: http://www.postfix.org/DATABASE_README.html
2021-05-05 10:54:25 <CAPTCHA_REQUIRED> Why was xorg-server moved to community?
2021-05-05 10:54:41 <CAPTCHA_REQUIRED> Are there alternative X servers that could be installed?
2021-05-05 11:03:40 <markand> it's not possible to install linux-lts without the whole list of linux-firmware-*
2021-05-05 11:03:47 <markand> apk del -r linux-firmware would delete linux-lts as well
2021-05-05 11:04:02 <ikke> markand: apk add linux-firmware-none
2021-05-05 11:10:53 <ismaell> ikke: thanks, I just totally missed the item somehow, also not very "grep-able"
2021-05-05 11:11:56 <ikke> What would make it more grepable?
2021-05-05 11:12:58 <markand> ikke, nice! thanks
2021-05-05 11:15:36 <ismaell> ikke: well, in this particular case, I looked for "hash", but keywords are tricky...
2021-05-05 11:15:53 <ismaell> anyway, totally my fault not reading the whole thing before upgrading
2021-05-05 13:50:32 <JohnBeals> Hello, I am attempting to compile gpart (disk rescue), which is part of gparted (but not installed by default).  First error was solved(?) by changing loff_t to off_t (as suggested in an arch discussion), but the second problem is with 'daddr_t' , and solutions were beyond my ability.. tia
2021-05-05 13:55:06 <JohnBeals> As part of this, I am wondering if Qemu is (or can be) used to run glibc commands.
2021-05-05 14:19:32 <danieli> qemu does virtualization, so if you create a VM of an OS using glibc, then yes
2021-05-05 14:22:39 <danieli> as for daddr_t it might not be defined in musl since it's not a standard type
2021-05-05 14:34:24 <Torr> How to run commands at startup and at shutdown?
2021-05-05 14:37:47 <Cogitri> rc.local would be one way to do that
2021-05-05 14:38:29 <helby> Torr: I think in /etc/local.d/crap.start and crap.stop
2021-05-05 14:40:19 <Torr> The proper shebang is <openrun-run> or just <sh>?
2021-05-05 14:40:30 <Torr> openrc-run*
2021-05-05 14:43:48 <Torr> Well, let's test this.
2021-05-05 14:48:12 <helby> not sure about diff with openrc-run, but 'local' service is run by that, for shits in /etc/local.d I use /bin/sh as these are just scripts
2021-05-05 14:49:48 <helby> as your 'scripts/commands' are not services, just scripts under 'local' service ... I assume
2021-05-05 15:21:20 <JohnBeals> Note, I have not done IRC for decades, so I am not sure if my offline comments are here (or not) so I will repeat:
2021-05-05 15:21:20 <JohnBeals> JohnBeals 12:13:27
2021-05-05 15:21:21 <JohnBeals> Qemu / Proot - I got these ideas from Termux which loads linux into android (among things).  Proot is a userspace chroot, and I have seen qemu work just on commands (but not sure where).  For Proot to work, the Alpine kernel has to (somehow) allow for a glibc executable to start and then access alternate glibc.  I might just copy a glibc executable
2021-05-05 15:21:21 <JohnBeals> to Alpine to see what happens - might just get lucky (in some strage way :) )
2021-05-05 15:21:22 <JohnBeals> Other than that, Alpine is blinding fast!  This is purely subjective, but I first noticed the quickness in WIndows WSL (which is a total waste, btw).  The (trash) computer I am working on right now is running an old, slow AMD Phenom chip very nicely on just 2GB RAM.  My CentOS install became literally useless.  Given the current chip shortage,
2021-05-05 15:21:22 <JohnBeals> Alpine looking 'mighty fine, indeed'.
2021-05-05 16:19:36 <Guest26> hello?
2021-05-05 16:21:20 <Guest26> How do I configure the screen to clear when I exit a session?
2021-05-05 16:25:10 <ikke> What screen?
2021-05-05 16:25:25 <fxzxmic> AA
2021-05-05 16:25:31 <fxzxmic>  still me
2021-05-05 16:25:41 <fxzxmic> vnc
2021-05-05 16:28:16 <fxzxmic> bash.bash_logout doesn't seem to work
2021-05-05 16:30:27 <fxzxmic> ikke Hello？
2021-05-05 16:30:39 <ikke> I don't know about vnc
2021-05-05 16:31:39 <fxzxmic> Just clear the console when exit
2021-05-05 16:32:37 <ikke> the tty console?
2021-05-05 16:32:50 <fxzxmic> yes
2021-05-05 16:33:14 <ikke> agetty (instead of getty, used by by default) seems to do that automatically
2021-05-05 16:33:36 <ikke> apk add util-linux
2021-05-05 16:33:44 <ikke> then switch getty to agetty in /etc/inittab
2021-05-05 16:34:51 <fxzxmic> Same function as /etc/bash.bash_logout file?
2021-05-05 16:36:37 <pmjohann> Hey there
2021-05-05 16:40:32 <pmjohann> Could anyone help me regarding framebuffer rotation? I mean rotating the console without X server running
2021-05-05 16:40:46 <pmjohann> I have a GPD pocket 2, which has portrait mode by default
2021-05-05 16:41:00 <pmjohann> I've read that adding a kernel param 'fbcon=rotate:3' could do the trick
2021-05-05 16:41:07 <pmjohann> but doesn't do anything on alpine
2021-05-05 16:41:33 <pmjohann> then I realized that this might need to be enabled in the kernel config before building the kernel itself
2021-05-05 16:41:41 <pmjohann> Does anyone have experience by any chance?
2021-05-05 16:41:46 <pmjohann> Thanks guys
2021-05-05 16:44:04 <Hello71> i think rotation support was removed in 5.10
2021-05-05 16:45:11 <Hello71> hm, only scrollback
2021-05-05 16:45:37 <Hello71> alpine doesn't enable CONFIG_FRAMEBUFFER_CONSOLE_ROTATION
2021-05-05 16:45:45 <Hello71> maybe pmos does
2021-05-05 16:58:43 <astir13> New to IRC, is that text going out?
2021-05-05 17:00:21 <jvoisin> yup
2021-05-05 17:00:39 <Lord> we can read you loud and clear
2021-05-05 17:01:11 <astir13> I installed Phython 2.7 on alpine 3.12. The installation went fine, however when calling python, there seems to be a library problem with following error: "Error relocating /usr/lib/libpython2.7.so.1.0: __dlsym_time64: symbol not found". I installed Python 2.7 using the command "apk add python2-2.7.18-r2". The platform is raspberry pi docker-ce.
2021-05-05 17:02:50 <pmjohann> hmm
2021-05-05 17:02:56 <pmjohann> how could I re-enable it and build custom kernel?
2021-05-05 17:05:07 <Cody> Does anyone here know what the testing process is for the master branch of `aports`?
2021-05-05 17:05:07 <Cody> Like, how is a branch considered stable, or ready for release?
2021-05-05 17:13:32 <astir13> Is any of you using Python 2.7 on alpine?
2021-05-05 17:14:16 <ikke> python2 is deprecated
2021-05-05 17:14:17 <Hello71> astir13: you've done some nonsense mixing repos?
2021-05-05 17:14:31 <Hello71> also does apk add python2-2.7.18-r2 even work?
2021-05-05 17:14:50 <astir13> Yeah, it works just fine, I didn't get any errors during installattion.
2021-05-05 17:20:44 <astir13> So maybe you think I should rewrite my script to Python 3 (which works fine, btw)?
2021-05-05 17:24:51 <helby> astir13: I think nobody give a cucumber about that :/ it's up to ;)
2021-05-05 17:25:16 <astir13> Hello71: maybe you have a point in saying "mixing repos", because if I look at the Dockerfile https://github.com/gogs/gogs/blob/main/docker/Dockerfile.rpi, it contains 2x FROM, one from alpine 3.11 and one more from 3.12.
2021-05-05 17:26:46 <astir13> Thank's for the inputs.
2021-05-05 17:45:20 <johnjay> does anybody know a parameter to change on virtualbox to install alpine?
2021-05-05 17:45:31 <johnjay> i'm trying to try it out but didn't want to go straight to qemu.
2021-05-05 17:45:41 <johnjay> (windows box)
2021-05-05 17:45:55 <Sheila> I would do WSL instead of virtualbox, then.
2021-05-05 17:45:58 <johnjay> it freezes during hard drive fromat
2021-05-05 17:45:59 <johnjay> *format
2021-05-05 17:46:05 <johnjay> qemu inside WSL?
2021-05-05 17:46:16 <Sheila> no, alpine inside WSL directly
2021-05-05 17:46:38 <johnjay> ah. i was about to say that as a joke.
2021-05-05 17:46:50 <johnjay> i didn't realize MS store was that complete.
2021-05-05 17:46:58 <nickersonm> johnjay: works fine with defaults for me, on virtualbox 6.1 on Win7 with alpine-virt-3.13.5
2021-05-05 17:47:43 <johnjay> i'm on windows 10. it doesn't freeze during the format phase?
2021-05-05 17:48:25 <johnjay> let me double check then with latest vbox
2021-05-05 17:48:43 <nickersonm> johnjay: no, a sys install formats fine.  Running on a standard vdi disk
2021-05-05 17:54:15 <johnjay> ok maybe i had mistake. let me retry
2021-05-05 17:54:26 <johnjay> at the prompt i enter 'sys' correct?
2021-05-05 18:01:38 <nickersonm> johnjay: yes; I just tested 'sda', 'sys', 'y' and got a successful install.  This was with alpine-virt-3.13.5
2021-05-05 18:04:14 <johnjay> ok. maybe i did something wrong then because it worked this time
2021-05-05 18:04:24 <johnjay> do i need to make a user or just be root?
2021-05-05 18:11:14 <Hello71> astir13: https://github.com/gogs/gogs/blob/main/docker/Dockerfile.rpi#L15 you can't do this crap
2021-05-05 18:12:59 <johnjay> this is pretty good. i got way farther than i did trying openbsd
2021-05-05 18:13:14 <johnjay> where both the session manager failed and i had to install something called xenodm
2021-05-05 18:13:40 <johnjay> and then i think i couldn't get a web browser installed either. or it immediately crashed
2021-05-05 18:14:06 <johnjay> call my standards low but if i can get a graphical login and browse the web, i'm good
2021-05-05 18:21:16 <Torr> Why doesn't the <setfont> command work when executed as a startup script?
2021-05-05 18:21:16 <helby> well u using windows, then wanna browse web from linux?
2021-05-05 18:22:39 <johnjay> yes. i make unreasonable demands like that all the time.
2021-05-05 19:07:30 <markand> I don't know what unicode character apk uses to draw progress bar but using terminus-font in TTY it's barely readable D:
2021-05-05 19:29:18 <helby> I never tried to read a progress bar ;)
2021-05-05 20:00:10 <ngor> Hi everyone
2021-05-05 20:00:42 <ngor> I have a thunderbolt dock station that works on ubuntu, but does not work in Alpine linux
2021-05-05 20:00:54 <ngor> I don't have /sys/bus/thunderbolt directory
2021-05-05 20:01:03 <ngor> and thunderbolt module seems to be missing
2021-05-05 20:01:27 <ngor>  Module thunderbolt not found in directory /lib/modules/5.10.34-0-lts
2021-05-05 20:01:37 <ngor> I am running alpine edge x86_64
2021-05-05 20:02:03 <ngor> it seems like some sort of kernel misconfiguration, but I am not 100% sure
2021-05-05 20:02:37 <ngor> on ubuntu I can see module thunderbolt to be loaded
2021-05-05 20:03:05 <ngor> and /sys/bus/thunderbolt directory is present
2021-05-05 20:03:32 <ngor> so I can do echo "1" /sys/bus/thunderbolt/devices/0-3/auhtorized
2021-05-05 20:03:35 <ngor> to make it work
2021-05-05 20:03:38 <ngor> please help
2021-05-05 20:07:43 <ngor> https://pkgs.alpinelinux.org/contents?file=thunder*&path=&name=linux-edge&branch=edge&repo=testing&arch=x86_64
2021-05-05 20:07:52 <ngor> https://pkgs.alpinelinux.org/contents?file=thunder*&path=&name=linux-lts&branch=edge&repo=main&arch=x86_64
2021-05-05 20:08:03 <ngor> It seems that linux-lts does not include the driver
2021-05-05 20:08:08 <ngor> but linux-edge does
2021-05-05 20:12:42 <ikke> What does: zgrep -i thunderbolt /proc/config.gz, on ubuntu return?
2021-05-05 20:13:52 <ngor> CONFIG_INTEL_WMI_THUNDERBOLT=m
2021-05-05 20:14:44 <ikke> Hmm, that's set in linux-lts
2021-05-05 20:14:58 <ngor> https://git.alpinelinux.org/aports/tree/main/linux-lts/config-lts.x86_64#n7365
2021-05-05 20:14:59 <ngor> yes
2021-05-05 20:15:22 <ngor> if you look at package contents linux-edge has thunderbolt.ko
2021-05-05 20:15:27 <ngor> but linux-lts does not
2021-05-05 20:15:40 <ngor> but they both have this config option enabled
2021-05-05 20:15:47 <ngor> a packaging issue ?
2021-05-05 20:15:56 <ikke> linux-edge does
2021-05-05 20:16:51 <ngor> I need linux-lts
2021-05-05 20:16:58 <ngor> because I need zfs
2021-05-05 20:17:56 <ikke> Not sure what enables it
2021-05-05 20:19:45 <ngor> linux-lts-dev has it too
2021-05-05 20:20:08 <ngor> what is the difference between linux-lts and linux-lts-dev
2021-05-05 20:20:10 <ngor> ?
2021-05-05 20:20:32 <ikke> -dev are the files necessary to build against linux
2021-05-05 20:20:42 <ikke> header files and other things
2021-05-05 20:21:04 <ngor> sorry, didn't notice the extension .h
2021-05-05 20:21:13 <ngor> so -dev has thunderbolt.h
2021-05-05 20:21:59 <ngor> assuming linux-lts-dev is derived from linux-lts it is fair to suggest a packaging bug
2021-05-05 20:22:48 <ikke> ngor: the header files come from upstream
2021-05-05 20:32:43 <ikke> ngor: it's CONFIG_USB4
2021-05-05 20:33:02 <ngor> makes sense
2021-05-05 20:33:26 <ngor> interestingly 3.12 linux-lts has driver too
2021-05-05 20:34:38 <ngor> I see. On older kernels it was CONFIG_THUNDERBOLT=m
2021-05-05 20:34:47 <ngor> they moved it to USB4
2021-05-05 20:35:12 <ngor> should this be considered a bug?
2021-05-05 20:35:25 <ngor> older lts kernels had this driver
2021-05-05 20:43:53 <ikke> ngor: you can open an issue on gitlab.alpinelinux.org
2021-05-05 20:44:12 <ngor> in which repo?
2021-05-05 20:44:23 <ikke> aports
2021-05-05 20:44:33 <ikke> alpine/aports
2021-05-05 20:45:06 <ngor> ok
2021-05-05 20:45:26 <ngor> I will send a PR then with CONFIG_USB4=m
2021-05-05 21:40:54 <pmjohann> Any advice on building an alpine bootable iso form scratch (including kernel, initramfs etc.)
2021-05-05 22:35:01 <ngor> another question
2021-05-05 22:35:07 <ngor> I am following this guide
2021-05-05 22:35:08 <ngor> https://wiki.alpinelinux.org/wiki/Creating_an_Alpine_package#Setup_your_system_and_account
2021-05-05 22:35:15 <ngor> abuild-keygen -a -i
2021-05-05 22:35:20 <ngor> Unable to deduce build architecture. Install apk-tools, or set CBUILD.
2021-05-05 22:35:24 <ngor> what do I need to do?
2021-05-05 22:36:33 <Hello71> did you install apk-tools
2021-05-05 22:37:48 <ngor> I did
2021-05-05 22:43:31 <ngor> the problem was that my shell did not have /sbin in PATH for user
2021-05-05 22:43:53 <ngor> apk --print-arch returned with no such file
2021-05-06 01:16:32 <meghan2032> the "generic arm" release comes as a .tar.gz instead of an iso, is there any docs on the wiki on how to flash theses to a device (usb/etc)
2021-05-06 01:17:13 <meghan2032> I mounted it and copied the files in then marked the partition as bootable with fdisk
2021-05-06 01:18:12 <meghan2032> but my machine didn't recognize it as bootable
2021-05-06 01:41:10 <meghan2032> some more google'ing is pointing at `parted` ill try that
2021-05-06 01:43:25 <helby> u have to probably glue informations from shitty wiki about raspberry and use some your logic :/
2021-05-06 01:44:57 <helby> I think by default even regular installation is not supported, just diskless crap, but possible to make it
2021-05-06 01:46:26 <meghan2032> ill be sure to write a blog post or something if I get it working then
2021-05-06 01:47:40 <helby> I read already somewhere about it, it did not look so hard, mostly just well formating this and that ... ;)
2021-05-06 01:48:26 <helby> I think it started regural, as diskless mode, then tweaked it to make sd/mmc as permanent storage
2021-05-06 01:50:42 <Sheila> the rootfs tarballs typically require extra work, e.g. setting up boot environment particular to the hardware.
2021-05-06 02:20:18 <meghan2032> weird, I still had the tab open
2021-05-06 02:26:33 <helby> yes, that's weird
2021-05-06 03:21:21 <meghan2032> using parted to set the boot flag didn't work
2021-05-06 03:28:24 <meghan2032> gonna go back to the wiki
2021-05-06 09:00:49 <pitchzer0> anyone here experienced with modloop? I still cant figure a good way to use apk with modloop.....
2021-05-06 09:07:13 <pitchzer0> i do understand that modloop is a squashfs mounted as a loopdevice. But i cant remount it rw. so installing/updating kernelmodules fails for obvs reasons.
2021-05-06 09:15:24 <LACampbell> f
2021-05-06 09:22:00 <laskin> Hello, comrades. I'm almost sure that last time I used Alpine, there was some convenient utility for merging .apk-new files after sys upgrade. But now I really, really can't remember what it was called, and a quick googling doesn't help. Can you please remind me how to do this task in the most alpinean style?
2021-05-06 09:33:50 <ikke> update-conf
2021-05-06 12:20:42 <Hello71> pitchzer0: you can't update kernel modules anyways
2021-05-06 12:20:58 <Hello71> if you just want zfs then use extended
2021-05-06 12:24:12 <pitchzer0> what do you mean? extended???
2021-05-06 12:26:02 <pitchzer0> ah extended image i see.
2021-05-06 12:26:50 <pitchzer0> problem with that is: i am using alpine -rpi, since.... its an rpi4
2021-05-06 12:29:07 <pitchzer0> so its not an intended usecase to update the modloop file?
2021-05-06 12:29:18 <pitchzer0> update/extend
2021-05-06 12:58:21 <insep_> probably a wrong room to ask this question, but i'm running https://github.com/SerenityOS/serenity/blob/master/Meta/build-image-grub.sh, which just creates and mounts an image and grub-install eventually fails with `/usr/sbin/grub-install: error: cannot find a GRUB drive for /dev/loop0p1.  Check your device.map.`, what can cause this?
2021-05-06 13:01:11 <insep_> other people on other distros report that this script works for them and creating device.map with "(hd0) /dev/loop0" does not help
2021-05-06 13:11:30 <Fieldy> insep_: i'm not entirely sure of a solid answer, however, loop0p1 means loop device 0, partition 1, so it may be expecting not a "disk" but a "partition"
2021-05-06 13:12:03 <Fieldy> i'm not entirely sure on the partitioning numbering if it starts at 0 or 1 (i would hope 0)
2021-05-06 13:15:43 <Fieldy> as for my own issue, i'm on 3.14.0_alpha20210212 and noticing that when i upgrade linux-virt, the previous kernel is removed from /boot as well as of course the grub menu. how can I have the former preserved in case there is an issue booting the new kernel?
2021-05-06 13:16:18 <Hello71> pitchzer0: what module are you trying to install
2021-05-06 13:17:29 <pitchzer0> I am trying to install zfs kernel module on a rpi4.
2021-05-06 13:17:42 <ikke> Fieldy: we don't support that at the moment, but we do want to
2021-05-06 13:18:05 <Fieldy> ikke: ok
2021-05-06 13:18:35 <Hello71> insep_: did you install grub-bios or grub-efi
2021-05-06 13:23:21 <insep_> Hello71: grub-bios
2021-05-06 13:23:30 <insep_> it's i386, no efi there
2021-05-06 13:23:34 <Hello71> not sure then
2021-05-06 13:23:49 <Hello71> probably better ask them
2021-05-06 13:24:19 <insep_> them being script authors? they have no idea, that's how i know it's working on ubuntu
2021-05-06 13:24:55 <insep_> do you want to see output of `grub-install -v`?
2021-05-06 14:40:58 <Hello71> or ask #grub
2021-05-06 14:56:20 <insep_> ok
2021-05-06 15:03:37 <insep_> as soon as matrix will allow me to :\
2021-05-06 16:38:24 <wdtTP2O82Kft> any recommendation for a chromebook (or similar) that runs alpine?
2021-05-06 17:21:11 <nature> Is there any reason #define statements in xrdb wouldn't work?
2021-05-06 17:22:34 <nature> That's how I define my theme in Xresources and when I do `xrdb -query` the defined name are never replaced by the color codes
2021-05-06 17:29:09 <nature> Ok so apparently I was missing a c preprocessor, I installed ucpp but it seems the embedable version is not compatible with xrdb...
2021-05-06 17:29:29 <nature> When I search for "cpp" nothing shows up...
2021-05-06 17:29:46 <nshp> c preprocessors come with c compilers
2021-05-06 17:29:49 <nshp> install gcc?
2021-05-06 17:35:33 <nature> Thanks!
2021-05-06 18:19:07 <arwn> I'm using `nmtui` to connect to a network but I get the error: `connection $ap_name is not available on device wlan0 because device is strictly unmanaged`. I enabled `iwd` and `networkmanager` services and disabled the `networking` one. What am I doing wrong here?
2021-05-06 18:19:37 <helby> using networkmanager
2021-05-06 18:19:44 <arwn> but wifi :c
2021-05-06 18:20:02 <arwn> is there a better tool for connecting to hotel wifi and whatnot?
2021-05-06 18:20:55 <Sheila> yes: an appliance. :V
2021-05-06 18:29:25 <arwn> so I am sol?
2021-05-06 18:30:31 <nature> Going from 3.13 to edge requires simply to change /etc/apk/repositories and running apk update && apk upgrade right?
2021-05-06 18:30:45 <ikke>  apk upgrade --available
2021-05-06 18:45:00 <Hello71> arwn: did you reboot
2021-05-06 18:45:16 <Hello71> also you shouldn't enable both iwd and networkmanager
2021-05-06 18:47:03 <arwn> Hello71, I rebooted, and the networkmanager wiki page said to I thought.
2021-05-06 18:47:36 <helby> there is still hope, that one day somebody will delete wiki
2021-05-06 18:48:17 <ikke> the same day I will +b helby :P
2021-05-06 18:48:28 <teraflops> Heh
2021-05-06 18:51:37 <danieli> improve it instead of complaining about it :)
2021-05-06 18:52:02 <arwn> without iwd I don't have any networks in nmtui.
2021-05-06 18:52:38 <nature> question, *.apk-new files are the "newest" version to be merged?
2021-05-06 18:53:16 <helby> these are default crap
2021-05-06 18:53:20 <markand> someone has an idea which kernel module should be loaded to get bluetooth support on PI4 using aarch64?
2021-05-06 18:53:29 <markand> btbcm seems not sufficent
2021-05-06 18:54:06 <helby> check them to see these are just for deletion ;)
2021-05-06 18:54:36 <nature> helby: thanks! And is it even a good idea to run edge instead of 3.13?
2021-05-06 18:54:53 <helby> nature: of course, nothing else practically exist
2021-05-06 18:55:04 <helby> u are on edge u don't exist
2021-05-06 18:55:10 <helby> or
2021-05-06 18:55:39 <nature> haha got it, so versions are more for server's stuff
2021-05-06 18:55:43 <ikke> nature: depends on your usecase
2021-05-06 18:55:56 <ikke> edge can break from time to time
2021-05-06 18:56:01 <helby> can't!
2021-05-06 18:56:04 <ikke> especially when we are upgrading things
2021-05-06 18:56:17 <ikke> like with the python upgrade from 3.8 to 3.9
2021-05-06 18:56:36 <nature> Is there a place that warns about such breakage?
2021-05-06 18:56:49 <helby> your screen
2021-05-06 18:58:39 <helby> ikke: when wiki will be deleted, nobody will need irc anymore, as people will stop follow crap :/
2021-05-06 18:59:21 <helby> I know, that wiki's purpose is to just keep this channel at 10 lines per day
2021-05-06 19:00:29 <bz2S> The wiki has been valuable to me. I would not be pleased if it was deleted.
2021-05-06 19:00:41 <helby> what part? at what century?
2021-05-06 19:00:51 <helby> is there any one page which is actual?
2021-05-06 19:01:27 <helby> once I checked desktop install, there is install bash, less, linux-utils ....
2021-05-06 19:01:35 <ikke> helby: https://wiki.alpinelinux.org/wiki/Alpine_Linux:Releases :P
2021-05-06 19:02:12 <helby> okay, this one ;)
2021-05-06 19:08:07 <helby> it reminds me freebsd crap, one want to download installer, but instead ends in circle clicking page after page about 100 different releases and other nonsense
2021-05-06 19:10:09 <helby> at least it saves my ass to install it several times, as during that tour I just gave up and have some time to think about all that file editing and linking to just run that piece
2021-05-06 19:16:38 <markand> nvm you need dtparam=krnbt=on in kernel config
2021-05-06 19:41:09 <helby> any idea what crap is creating /var/log/wtmp ?
2021-05-06 19:42:24 <ikke> Did you look in the crap directory?
2021-05-06 19:43:16 <helby> which one? I have also /run/utmp
2021-05-06 19:43:29 <helby> both belong to nothing
2021-05-06 19:44:23 <helby> so now I should follow with question, what runs or at least pretend it run utmp
2021-05-06 19:46:17 <helby> both always empty obviously
2021-05-06 19:50:16 <Torr> Folks, how to set the system font?
2021-05-06 19:51:21 <Torr> I've been using the noto font, but last night after adding cups-filters and a SANE backend, it misconfigured the default font.
2021-05-06 19:52:01 <teraflops> Torr: xorg, tty, gtk?
2021-05-06 19:52:24 <teraflops> fixed with font for terminal?
2021-05-06 19:55:20 <Torr> My prior setup had noto on Xorg, for both GTK and QT apps.
2021-05-06 19:56:14 <Torr> If possible I do like to use it for TTYs too.
2021-05-06 19:57:03 <helby> ikke: I got it, it will go to the trash with wiki
2021-05-06 19:57:57 <teraflops> Torr: do you have a custom fonts.conf at ~/ ?
2021-05-06 19:58:16 <teraflops> font fallback is a camp of mines
2021-05-06 19:59:47 <teraflops> this is very detailed btw https://www.freedesktop.org/software/fontconfig/fontconfig-user.html
2021-05-06 19:59:52 <Hello71> i think cups installs gsfonts or some nonsense
2021-05-06 20:00:52 <teraflops> I can also share my own one but I do have many snippets at ~/.config/fontconfig/conf.d
2021-05-06 20:01:09 <ikke> 0
2021-05-06 20:01:12 <helby> no, thank you
2021-05-06 20:01:59 <helby> I have installed one font, don't need to set it up anywhere, that's the way ;)
2021-05-06 20:02:49 <helby> highly recommended 1/10 alpine users
2021-05-06 20:03:54 <helby> well, 1/9 as ikke does not count as he uses windows
2021-05-06 20:04:48 <ikke> I don't own a windows device :)
2021-05-06 20:05:12 <teraflops> Torr: for gtk stuff you can use lxappearance or similar
2021-05-06 20:07:39 <Torr> teraflops: I don't have a local fonts.conf, my goal is for it to be systemwide.
2021-05-06 20:08:27 <helby> in xorg it should be in .Xresourse something like *fontname or similar and all X crap should respect but it will not
2021-05-06 20:09:16 <helby> so u probably need to set it up in .config/gkt-3.0/settings.ini gtkrc and in every other crap
2021-05-06 20:09:25 <teraflops> the problem with that is that when you install a new font maybe there's another provider for noto or sans or whatever
2021-05-06 20:10:02 <helby> provider?
2021-05-06 20:10:16 <teraflops> that's what lxappearance does
2021-05-06 20:10:22 <helby> when u install a new font u wanna use it probably somewhere
2021-05-06 20:10:36 <teraflops> fc-match whatever
2021-05-06 20:11:11 <teraflops> helby: nah
2021-05-06 20:11:12 <helby> ikke: how u then connect to your virtual alpine once a week? from macbook?
2021-05-06 20:11:48 <ikke> I don't own a macbook either
2021-05-06 20:12:06 <helby> nah if he want ot tune up exact font, he has to set it up, not to let app choose then complain that it chose something he does not like
2021-05-06 20:12:19 <teraflops> that's the idea
2021-05-06 20:12:21 <helby> oh u archlinux ikke
2021-05-06 20:12:33 <ikke> And stop belittling people
2021-05-06 20:20:30 <Sheila> nor should you assume.
2021-05-06 20:37:47 <Torr> How do I get the name of the font currently being used?
2021-05-06 20:42:43 <helby> depends where
2021-05-06 20:43:31 <helby> u probably don't mean in xterm :/
2021-05-06 20:44:46 <Torr> That's the terminal I use.
2021-05-06 20:46:21 <helby> and want to know font used in what app?
2021-05-06 20:47:36 <helby> for xterm it's 'xterm -report-fonts' for other apps only god knows
2021-05-06 20:48:11 <helby> but I have to assume, that your window manager or DE have settin for fonts too
2021-05-06 20:49:47 <helby> font's are mess like everything else btw.
2021-05-06 20:55:53 <Torr> Yeah, really messy. No font settings on this WM though.
2021-05-06 20:56:15 <Torr> TFF fonts don't work on TTYs, right?
2021-05-06 20:56:20 <Torr> TTF*
2021-05-06 21:00:14 <helby> I don't think so, but when u tune up so much fonts, you probably don't spend much time in tty :/
2021-05-06 21:01:38 <helby> I think my console it's not even utf-8
2021-05-06 21:03:16 <helby> there is some weird setting in rc 'unicode' which is just weird :/
2021-05-06 21:03:54 <helby> unicode settings for keyboards and screens :/
2021-05-06 21:06:49 <helby> I have no idea how my console font is even picked, if it is nowhere
2021-05-06 21:08:24 <Torr> Is this setfont error normal: setfont: buffer 131072 too small
2021-05-06 22:43:39 <helby> fucking fonts
2021-05-06 22:44:02 <helby> no idea why shitty firefox does not show numbers with some fonts
2021-05-06 22:45:44 <helby> even busybox vi can show them
2021-05-06 22:45:57 <helby> if busybox vi can show something, everything else should
2021-05-07 00:32:50 <helby> even cursor icon is kind of science :/
2021-05-07 00:43:39 <Torr> helby: Have you ever tested OpenBSD?
2021-05-07 00:51:10 <helby> Torr: I used it few years, switched to alpine just few weeks ago
2021-05-07 00:51:55 <Torr> What caused your departure?
2021-05-07 00:52:17 <helby> bc. it's fucking bloat
2021-05-07 00:52:22 <helby> full of shit ;)
2021-05-07 00:53:53 <halosghost> I think I'm likely to recompile busybox when I manage to fully switch to alpine
2021-05-07 00:53:58 <halosghost> remove all the bits I don't want
2021-05-07 00:54:03 <halosghost> because I'm a nutjob
2021-05-07 00:54:11 <helby> and too much historical useless crap
2021-05-07 00:54:45 <helby> still busybox is not so huge compared to other package
2021-05-07 00:54:57 <helby> any font u will install will be probably bigger :/
2021-05-07 00:55:04 <halosghost> lol
2021-05-07 00:55:11 <halosghost> I do like linux libertine
2021-05-07 00:55:42 <halosghost> so, I'd probably install that one
2021-05-07 00:56:58 <helby> well ten u get huge bloat :/
2021-05-07 00:57:14 <helby> also some shitty encodings mkftonscale or whatever crap some fonts needs
2021-05-07 00:58:01 <helby> saving then 100kb in busybox ... not even sure if busy is somehow modular that have so many options
2021-05-07 00:58:46 <halosghost> helby: it's not really about saving space
2021-05-07 00:58:56 <halosghost> it's about a neurosis of mine to only have installed what I actually use/want
2021-05-07 00:59:29 <halosghost> e.g., since I use vis, I'd remove vi from busybox
2021-05-07 01:00:14 <helby> oh it looks it's pretty configurable
2021-05-07 01:00:22 <halosghost> what does?
2021-05-07 01:00:30 <helby> I love vi, but that shit does not utf-8 and sometimes undo does shit
2021-05-07 01:00:35 <helby> busybox
2021-05-07 01:00:38 <halosghost> mm
2021-05-07 01:01:00 <helby> vis somehow never add newline for me
2021-05-07 01:01:15 <helby> many times had issue with some config which complain then
2021-05-07 01:01:54 <helby> also it's config ... using scripting language to make simple config, not much friendly
2021-05-07 01:02:16 <halosghost> 🤷
2021-05-07 01:02:27 <halosghost> I don't mind lua for config
2021-05-07 01:02:31 <helby> if shitty busybox vi annoys me a lot I install for few minutes kakoune
2021-05-07 01:03:28 <helby> but I think it started to complain with mutt that file is updated
2021-05-07 01:04:53 <helby> but it still rocks, once I edited huge file and kakoune offer visual, what is done, while selecting thousands of lines, vis freeze, while kakoune did it fast without any delay with even visualization
2021-05-07 01:05:40 <halosghost> yeah
2021-05-07 01:05:46 <halosghost> vis works well for me
2021-05-07 01:05:52 <helby> without visual interaction in vis it's like type command and check what will happen
2021-05-07 01:06:36 <helby> if u did not hit enter, does it add newline?
2021-05-07 01:07:30 <halosghost> when?
2021-05-07 01:07:53 <halosghost> in vis, if I use a command that would add a new line (e.g., o or O), or am in insert mode and hit return, I get a newline just fine
2021-05-07 01:10:57 <helby> there is for me also some weird issue with commands
2021-05-07 01:11:06 <helby> it's somehow scroll or whatever :/
2021-05-07 01:11:31 <halosghost> 🤷
2021-05-07 01:11:44 <helby> sorry, my font does not display that
2021-05-07 01:11:50 <helby> I see just square ;)
2021-05-07 01:11:51 <halosghost> it's a shrug icon
2021-05-07 01:11:59 <halosghost> :)
2021-05-07 01:12:25 <helby> icon? can u send me some link where it is?
2021-05-07 01:12:33 <Sheila> it's an emoji.
2021-05-07 01:12:45 <helby> u can have emoji in irc? :/
2021-05-07 01:12:47 <Sheila> you'd want to install e.g. the Twemoji emoji font.
2021-05-07 01:12:52 <Sheila> yes, it's Unicode.
2021-05-07 01:13:54 <helby> I will pass this opportunity
2021-05-07 01:14:30 <Sheila> you can copy/paste it in to emojipedia, too.
2021-05-07 01:14:55 <helby> yes, that I want, paste squares from irc to some page
2021-05-07 01:15:29 <helby> but did it now as exception
2021-05-07 01:15:38 <helby> holy irc has so nice crap
2021-05-07 01:16:21 <helby> 🤷
2021-05-07 01:19:00 <helby> I use the lightest usable font what I found so
2021-05-07 01:20:33 <helby> funny that even console was able to display 'note' symbol but not my font/terminal
2021-05-07 01:21:10 <helby> how console comes there I have no idea as it had issue to display regular utf-8 chars
2021-05-07 01:21:34 <Sheila> your guess is as good as mine. 🤷
2021-05-07 01:25:49 <helby> wait, will translate your message in emojipedia :/
2021-05-07 01:26:13 <Sheila> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
2021-05-07 01:26:13 <helby> again the same shit?
2021-05-07 01:26:38 <Sheila> I mean, I could do Unicode art, too, but that doesn't play well with screen readers so I prefer to not.
2021-05-07 01:26:55 <helby> 🖕
2021-05-07 01:27:18 <helby> oh art, today I added ascii art to my motd
2021-05-07 01:28:00 <helby> yesterday I added cursor icon that terminal and firefox stop always complaining about non existent icon
2021-05-07 01:28:18 <helby> so some progress is here too :/
2021-05-07 01:28:48 <helby> I will not finish until I can get rid of firefox ;)
2021-05-07 01:30:28 <helby> trying to build this and that, install just really necessary things, then u install firefox and whole system is full of shit
2021-05-07 01:31:16 <Torr> helby: Do u have any other browser in view?
2021-05-07 01:31:24 <helby> no
2021-05-07 01:31:39 <helby> there is no one
2021-05-07 01:31:49 <helby> maybe something like lynx, but ..
2021-05-07 01:32:44 <helby> as I don't like to store anything, so if I wanna listen some music and watch some movie, it would be hard without bloated browser
2021-05-07 01:34:11 <helby> tried few times webkit based, but on this machine it perform like shit, not usable
2021-05-07 01:35:03 <helby> and netsurf display websites probably even worse than lynx
2021-05-07 02:09:17 <helby> Torr: do u use openbsd?
2021-05-07 02:09:38 <helby> in meantime I cut fontsize by half, to install another crap :/
2021-05-07 02:10:27 <Torr> helby: Nope
2021-05-07 02:11:19 <helby> interesting thing there is, that even small group of people but they work really hard
2021-05-07 02:12:00 <helby> packages in snapshots are updated sometimes even faster than in arch ;)
2021-05-07 02:12:17 <Torr> For sure, they even have their own Xorg build.
2021-05-07 02:12:27 <helby> yes, that's a lot of bloat
2021-05-07 02:12:49 <helby> it includes everyting possible xorg can have :/ even default twm win manager
2021-05-07 02:13:03 <helby> or xeyes, some crap where u see eyes :D
2021-05-07 02:13:50 <helby> what was the last hit to me, that glib requires python
2021-05-07 02:14:45 <helby> but some their tools are amazing, so simple but do everyting needed
2021-05-07 02:14:54 <helby> like doas
2021-05-07 02:15:04 <helby> or like unwind too
2021-05-07 02:16:31 <Torr> Don't they have their own C library?
2021-05-07 02:16:36 <helby> the 'best' is probably their package craper, while u upgrade something like firefox, u can get full installation of alpine
2021-05-07 02:16:45 <helby> it's so fucking slow
2021-05-07 02:16:59 <helby> they use some kind of bsd anciet crap I assume
2021-05-07 02:18:31 <helby> but practically if u don't want to have issue u have to install even xorg on server
2021-05-07 02:18:41 <helby> while there are sets but ...
2021-05-07 02:19:16 <helby> but at least they don't follow like majority of linux distros
2021-05-07 02:19:34 <helby> to use whatever crap red hat throw out
2021-05-07 02:19:45 <helby> kurva this new font is nice
2021-05-07 02:19:54 <helby> ttf-anonymous-pro
2021-05-07 02:20:15 <helby> just 612KiB
2021-05-07 02:21:50 <helby> what I liked there all these bsd utils with great manuals
2021-05-07 02:22:03 <helby> here whatever shit I use I m never sure
2021-05-07 02:22:12 <helby> busybox, gnu or other flag this and that
2021-05-07 02:23:32 <helby> some tools in busybox are capable but no info about it in any manual or anywhere
2021-05-07 02:24:24 <Torr> Yeah, their manpages shine like gold.
2021-05-07 02:26:29 <helby> it takes some time to get used to it, instead of searching internet
2021-05-07 02:26:35 <helby> but after that, it's really gold
2021-05-07 02:27:20 <helby> just few days ago wanted to use iconv ... to change some encodings bc. encodings sucks like everything else
2021-05-07 02:27:42 <helby> it was capable of my job, but nowhere mentioned it
2021-05-07 02:28:04 <helby> in some option it just showed me bla blaba ... - 3 dots like others
2021-05-07 02:28:12 <helby> one can assume which other they mean
2021-05-07 02:29:24 <helby> first to get info what iconv came from
2021-05-07 02:29:38 <helby> musl-utils , not sure if some kind of manual even exist for that
2021-05-07 03:54:23 <x0n^> I see there are ready-made images for a) raspberry pi and b) xen. will I be able to run xen on rpi?
2021-05-07 06:16:31 <danieli> x0n^: they (xen) only ported it to raspberry pi late last year, so... maybe?
2021-05-07 06:16:54 <danieli> haven't heard of any work on that from alpine's side, but here's a link https://xenproject.org/2020/09/29/xen-on-raspberry-pi-4-adventures/
2021-05-07 07:23:17 <ncopa> i dont think xen will work with the alpine rpi image. I dont think the needed kernel stuff is enabled
2021-05-07 07:29:53 <x0n^> danieli: yeah I've seen that link. AFAIK xen works on opensuse's rpi image
2021-05-07 07:31:02 <x0n^> ncopa: do you happen to know what that is in the kernel? just CONFIG_XEN?
2021-05-07 07:31:21 <x0n^> quote: "of note, the GIC on the rpi4 is slightly non-standard, so xen would need rpi specific support to run"
2021-05-07 07:31:53 <x0n^> that's from #raspberrypi
2021-05-07 07:38:04 <ncopa> i remember the exact config options
2021-05-07 08:01:03 <x0n^> is this the correct way to cross-compile kernel? https://stackoverflow.com/questions/54558200/cross-compiling-alpine-linux-packages
2021-05-07 08:03:18 <ncopa> maybe. the boostrap.sh script is for us to bootstrap abuild for a new architecture. IIRC the kernel is included there, but I think it will build much more than just the kernel
2021-05-07 08:03:42 <ncopa> i guess you can modify the script to only compile the stuff needed for kernel
2021-05-07 08:20:48 <x0n^> welp. here goes my hope of getting this done without a lot of fuzz
2021-05-07 08:26:16 <x0n^> would requesting a xen-capable rpi kernel be an acceptable feature request?
2021-05-07 09:11:35 <tankf33der> o/
2021-05-07 09:12:05 <tankf33der> if apk upgrades openssl does it restarts service after it ?
2021-05-07 09:13:36 <ikke> No
2021-05-07 09:13:43 <x0n^> that would be mean
2021-05-07 09:13:51 <ikke> apk does not touch services
2021-05-07 09:25:52 <detha> there is nothing in alpine similar to needs-restarting in RHEL is there?
2021-05-07 09:42:30 <Forza> Hi. What image should I use för alpine server as guest in xen (xcp-ng/XenServer)? The one for virtual?
2021-05-07 09:43:29 <ikke> Yeah, virt should be good
2021-05-07 09:44:46 <miskatonic> I do not even know what Xen is
2021-05-07 09:47:20 <ikke> A hypervisor
2021-05-07 09:48:02 <miskatonic> is that similar to FreeBSD's bhyve?
2021-05-07 10:15:24 <Forza> miskatonic: yes
2021-05-07 10:43:35 <danieli> x0n^: it'll require quite a bit of work and probably won't be prioritized
2021-05-07 10:43:48 <danieli> raspberry pis didn't run mainline kernels the last time i checked
2021-05-07 12:04:40 <ncopa> x0n^: i doubt we have resources to maintain another rpi kernel
2021-05-07 13:04:16 <x0n^> danieli: be that as it may, should I request it? IMO alpine is perfect as a dom0. minimalist + run from ram + good default security posture = win. would be great to have that also on rpi
2021-05-07 13:17:23 <Forza> Do you want to run virtualization on rpi? Or just that Alpine is a compact distro that would otherwise fit well on a small arm box?
2021-05-07 13:33:18 <x0n^> Forza: I want to run xen on rpi, yes
2021-05-07 13:40:12 <Forza> x0n^: Sounds a bad choice. Does it have virtualization support in HW?
2021-05-07 13:40:46 <Forza> https://wiki.xenproject.org/wiki/Xen_ARM_with_Virtualization_Extensions
2021-05-07 13:46:41 <x0n^> Forza: cortex a72 seems to bbe supported, so?
2021-05-07 13:49:12 <x0n^> only major downside I see so far is the anemic amount of RAM
2021-05-07 13:49:49 <x0n^> FWIW, that's where alpine comes into play again
2021-05-07 13:57:19 <Forza> Yea. Go for it :)
2021-05-07 13:58:17 <Forza> Jails/docker/podman might be alternatives that are better from memory point of view
2021-05-07 13:59:15 <x0n^> yeah I intend to stand up a whole parade of rpis and those with less strict security requirements will use docker/seccomp instead
2021-05-07 13:59:43 <x0n^> but I want the best possible isolation for core services
2021-05-07 14:00:59 <Forza> Aha.
2021-05-07 14:01:09 <Forza> Openwrt images perhaps?
2021-05-07 14:02:58 <koffeinfriedhof> Hello! Can anyone tell me how to handle custom keyboard layouts in alpine? I cannot find useful tools for the bmap-stuff. How are they built?
2021-05-07 16:19:40 <eyeRseer> im in a pickle i need to compile something but build-base is too big i mounted a drive is there an easy way to overlayfs or make a chroot env to make packages
2021-05-07 16:20:54 <eyeRseer> like i dunno copy cache packages to the boot/apks?
2021-05-07 16:27:09 <eyeRseer> guess ill just do a sys install on a big disk so i have room
2021-05-07 16:32:46 <minimal> eyeRseer: use the Docker abuild container?
2021-05-07 16:36:41 <eyeRseer> i guess so buts arm iw have to setup a vm or crosscompile
2021-05-07 16:38:46 <eyeRseer> just trying to get motion to work on my pizerow
2021-05-07 16:39:40 <eyeRseer> installed the edge/community stuff it works till motion is detected and it craps out with illegal instruction and dies
2021-05-07 16:40:31 <eyeRseer> maybe thats an ffmpeg issue
2021-05-07 16:46:31 <minimal> eyeRseer: for arm stuff I've used a docker abuild setup together with binfmt/qemu user on a x86_64 box
2021-05-07 16:50:33 <eyeRseer> think i just fixed it by changing the ffmpeg codec
2021-05-07 16:50:47 <eyeRseer> yup
2021-05-07 16:51:00 <eyeRseer> guess the installed ffmpeg doesnt like mkv
2021-05-07 16:51:36 <eyeRseer> still i wanna recompile motion to support mmal
2021-05-07 17:42:28 <nature> Struggling with fonts, any good guide or way to troubleshoot this?
2021-05-07 17:42:40 <helby> still? ;)
2021-05-07 17:42:49 <nature> hehe yeah
2021-05-07 17:42:57 <helby> arch wiki did not help?
2021-05-07 17:42:58 <nature> I am almost done with my setup tho
2021-05-07 17:45:18 <nature> No it didn't I quickly check and I've done everything already
2021-05-07 17:45:37 <nature> `fc-match monospace` outputs the correct font as well
2021-05-07 17:45:40 <helby> I m hesitate to ask how many fonts u installed :/
2021-05-07 17:45:53 <nature> I have like 4
2021-05-07 17:45:57 <helby> where do u miss font?
2021-05-07 17:46:08 <nature> Liberation as a fallback and 1 for each sans, serif and mono
2021-05-07 17:46:21 <nature> everywhere, browser, emacs etc...
2021-05-07 17:46:56 <nature> I couldn't tell which font it is, but it's not the ones I installed
2021-05-07 17:47:33 <helby> in browser u usually can if u open developer tool and check computed fonts
2021-05-07 17:47:51 <helby> if a website, some simple one don't load own font, it will load yours
2021-05-07 17:49:09 <helby> also check someone config for fonts
2021-05-07 17:49:20 <eyeRseer> i use to know how to change framebuffer font and stuff but ive since dealt with defaults
2021-05-07 17:49:32 <helby> https://hacktivis.me/git/dotfiles/file/.fonts.conf.html
2021-05-07 17:49:43 <Hello71> firefox dev tools tells font used
2021-05-07 17:50:21 <helby> eyeRseer: if defaults anything is usable and relatively sane, it's always the best bet
2021-05-07 17:50:55 <nature> I have something like the config you showed
2021-05-07 17:51:05 <helby> I would like to have better fonts for browser, but install something for me is ...
2021-05-07 17:51:05 <nature> my config was already working well on OBSD
2021-05-07 17:51:18 <nature> now fc-match behaves weirdly
2021-05-07 17:51:37 <helby> maybe u overtuned and set it up on more places :/
2021-05-07 17:51:43 <x0n^> so, when compiling a kernel for raspberry pi, should I get this one? https://www.raspberrypi.org/documentation/linux/kernel/building.md
2021-05-07 17:51:49 <nature> it always outputs "Fira Code" "Regular"
2021-05-07 17:51:56 <x0n^> or is there an alpine specific rpi kernel I can use?
2021-05-07 17:52:11 <eyeRseer> also change language to something goofy like leetspeak or hillbilly
2021-05-07 17:52:39 <eyeRseer> speaking of getting the pi to boot...
2021-05-07 17:52:45 <eyeRseer> was murder!
2021-05-07 17:52:51 <helby> I think fc-match shows 'the best' for that case
2021-05-07 17:52:53 <x0n^> also, I looked for instructions on crosscompiling for rpi but didn't find any. how does the official alpine rpi image get built?
2021-05-07 17:52:58 <eyeRseer> grabbed the official git firmware
2021-05-07 17:53:11 <eyeRseer> prepended my configs
2021-05-07 17:53:13 <helby> I think it does not mean these will be used if u select another
2021-05-07 17:53:44 <eyeRseer> certianly doesnt work with the defaults for me
2021-05-07 17:53:53 <nature> Yes but the best is always the same, wether I input "monospace" "mono" "serif" "sans"....
2021-05-07 17:54:55 <eyeRseer> had to copy and rename files to boots root add speciffic kernel= stuff
2021-05-07 17:54:56 <helby> maybe bc. these are the best for your eyes :/
2021-05-07 17:55:17 <eyeRseer> think cause its an old pizero im messing with
2021-05-07 17:55:38 <eyeRseer> the [pi0] stuff doesnt seem to work on it
2021-05-07 17:55:40 <nature> Haha it's really ugly, if that would be the case I would interpret it as a middle finger
2021-05-07 17:56:26 <eyeRseer> got the camera working adding start_x.elf and fixup_x.dat start_x=1 stuff
2021-05-07 17:56:39 <helby> but u can set up fonts for browser in browser settings
2021-05-07 17:56:49 <helby> for gtk too
2021-05-07 17:57:00 <helby> and for emacs, nobody use it, so delete it
2021-05-07 17:57:08 <nature> Yeah but setting up fonts for every app is annoying
2021-05-07 17:57:36 <helby> yes, it's work if u want specific font's for every hour in a day :/
2021-05-07 17:57:43 <eyeRseer> theres no global variable for it?
2021-05-07 17:58:04 <eyeRseer> totally why i gave up trying to mess with fonts
2021-05-07 17:58:17 <ikke> The nice thing about standards is that there are so many of them
2021-05-07 17:58:28 <eyeRseer> snert~
2021-05-07 17:59:01 <helby> all of them sucks, it's your job to make another one :/
2021-05-07 17:59:19 <helby> IKKE standards
2021-05-07 17:59:53 <helby> then maybe Alpikke linux can come
2021-05-07 18:02:21 <helby> I should do something with font tonight, yesterday mono is not so good for my eyes in browser
2021-05-07 18:47:56 <insep_> Hello71: turns out you need to go through some hoops in order to speak in #grub
2021-05-07 18:48:15 <insep_> and i'd imagine that would be hard to do without bouncer :\
2021-05-07 18:48:22 <Hello71> 18:48 -- [#grub] $~a quieted by zettel.freenode.net on Thu, 25 Mar 2021 18:13:06
2021-05-07 18:48:30 <Hello71> just register?
2021-05-07 18:49:43 <insep_> try sending a message, it won't work
2021-05-07 18:51:22 <insep_> or maybe it doesn't work because i'm not registered on irc
2021-05-07 18:51:53 <insep_> at least some page on gnu.org says that i need to message an op in order to speak
2021-05-07 18:52:01 <insep_> which sucks :\
2021-05-07 18:55:10 <helby> it's GNU, don't expect much :/
2021-05-07 19:07:47 <insep_> 
ACTION looking for an alternative to grub that can load multiboot kernels

2021-05-07 23:17:47 <JuniorJPDJ> o/
2021-05-07 23:17:59 <JuniorJPDJ> why are docker edge images built so often?
2021-05-07 23:18:22 <JuniorJPDJ>  * why are docker edge images built so rarely?
2021-05-07 23:24:13 <helby> decide!
2021-05-07 23:29:14 <JuniorJPDJ> XDD
2021-05-07 23:29:24 <JuniorJPDJ> sry, bad word came to my mind, it's late
2021-05-07 23:29:44 <JuniorJPDJ> last edge docker image in docker hub is like 3 months old
2021-05-07 23:29:51 <JuniorJPDJ> its pretty... not-edge?
2021-05-07 23:34:44 <helby> edge is 'development' regular images are created the same way as I see
2021-05-07 23:37:59 <helby> so practically these are often older than regular release
2021-05-08 00:42:56 <eyeRseer> neat i made an x86_64 usb bootdisk and it also has a mirror of the entire main/community packages for the release
2021-05-08 00:43:31 <eyeRseer> sorry for spidering the repo
2021-05-08 00:43:38 <halosghost> sounds kind of cool
2021-05-08 00:43:49 <eyeRseer> be better if i had source packages too
2021-05-08 00:44:04 <eyeRseer> when the world goes to shit alpine will survive
2021-05-08 00:44:04 <halosghost> eyeRseer: so, it's effectively an alpine bootstrap with a full snapshot of the repo to allow for any basic setup
2021-05-08 00:44:06 <halosghost> ?
2021-05-08 00:44:08 <halosghost> lol
2021-05-08 00:44:26 <eyeRseer> least the x86_64 build
2021-05-08 00:44:32 <eyeRseer> yea
2021-05-08 00:44:43 <eyeRseer> not that big like 17GB
2021-05-08 00:44:52 <halosghost> nice
2021-05-08 00:45:15 <eyeRseer> ill kick myself if i find official torrents cause i didnt look before hand
2021-05-08 00:45:42 <eyeRseer> meanwhile people are wasting space with chia id rather have a complete distro and sources backed up
2021-05-08 00:46:47 <eyeRseer> 4GB fat32 (why ever go over its max filesize) what a shitfs
2021-05-08 00:46:53 <eyeRseer> the rest is btrfs
2021-05-08 00:47:39 <eyeRseer> dont really use btrfs much had problems on a cheap ssd but thats probably more the ssd than butters
2021-05-08 00:50:52 <helby> archive alpine for next generations ;)
2021-05-08 06:06:57 <vela> hey there, I'm having some trouble with alpine-make-vm-image. the default "virt" kernel-flavor works just fine, but with a lts kernel flavor I get "sysroot failed: no such file or directory"
2021-05-08 07:53:10 <eyeRseer> yeah dang never using raspian on a pizero again its so godawfully bloated and slow compared to alpine
2021-05-08 08:07:00 <koffeinfriedhof> Hello! Can anyone tell me how to handle custom keyboard layouts in alpine without X? How are they built? I've tried different settings which are running in FreeBSD and arch, but I cannot find any information how to correctly compile.
2021-05-08 09:33:03 <kpcyrd> I'm running alpine in virtualbox and noticed I have all the linux-firmware- packages installed, what's the best way to get rid of them without losing the files I actually need? Is `apk add linux-firmware-none linux-virt` a reasonable start?
2021-05-08 09:36:35 <is_new_user> hi
2021-05-08 09:36:59 <is_new_user> i have added alpine linux to wsl - the version i download from chocolatey which is 3.9
2021-05-08 09:37:21 <is_new_user> anyhow my question is how do i setup a login prompt as launching alpine puts my directly into root previliges
2021-05-08 09:40:47 <is_new_user> I have added a new user using adduser, and set up both the new user's and the root's password
2021-05-08 09:41:01 <is_new_user> but launch alpine puts me directly in root
2021-05-08 09:41:36 <ikke> I'm not sure what decides the default user that wsl uses
2021-05-08 09:41:50 <ikke> but you can specify the user to login to wsl
2021-05-08 09:43:52 <is_new_user> i see, i will check on that report back
2021-05-08 09:53:33 <is_new_user> after becoming a normal user
2021-05-08 09:53:38 <is_new_user> how do i become root
2021-05-08 09:53:57 <is_new_user> su gives me - must be suid to work properly
2021-05-08 10:00:50 <ikke> Yeah, ran into that as well, didn't find out why yet. But I installed doas, which works
2021-05-08 10:14:33 <is_new_user> Have to admit, i have a lowsepc laptop and alpine runs pristine so far under wsl2 - much faster than cygwin
2021-05-08 10:15:04 <is_new_user> i have everything i want under 300 mb while cygwin took 2 gigs, one in its root and one in its downloaded binaries
2021-05-08 10:43:39 <rapha> hi all!
2021-05-08 10:44:03 <rapha> what is the proper way of getting /dev/btrfs-control into alpine's devtmpfs?
2021-05-08 11:33:05 <Forza> rapha: Btrfs module loaded?
2021-05-08 11:33:42 <Forza> Maybe ask in #btrfs they are helpful
2021-05-08 11:43:02 <Marquel> rapha: do you load btrfs on boot via initrd or later on?
2021-05-08 12:28:59 <eyeRseer> afaik its builtin into my kernels
2021-05-08 12:29:30 <eyeRseer> mount -t btrfs always seems to work without having to do anything special
2021-05-08 12:29:54 <Thermi> Do you know of automatic kernel module loading?
2021-05-08 12:30:36 <eyeRseer> /etc/modules or /etc/modprobe.d/
2021-05-08 12:30:58 <eyeRseer> pass it to kernels cmdline
2021-05-08 12:34:19 <eyeRseer> i like to rc-update add local default and populate /etc/local.d/ with .start scripts
2021-05-08 12:35:30 <eyeRseer> modprobe zram give it a size mkswap swapon
2021-05-08 12:35:57 <eyeRseer> echo performance to cpu governor
2021-05-08 12:36:08 <eyeRseer> ya know all the fun stuff
2021-05-08 12:36:49 <eyeRseer> dont care when it happens aslong as it happens
2021-05-08 12:37:09 <eyeRseer> if i cared about when id put it all in the same script
2021-05-08 12:37:43 <eyeRseer> BTFO systemd's biggest cope for existence
2021-05-08 12:37:49 <eyeRseer> xD
2021-05-08 13:22:28 <ScrumpyJack> I know of two VPS providers that have Alpine Linux as a install option. Scaleway and Linode. Are there any others out there? (replacing whatever with AL in a VPS is a nightmare)
2021-05-08 13:23:42 <shrizza> Argh, getting stuck trying to install Alpine on an Acer Aspire 3 laptop. The /dev/nvme is disappearing during the install it seems.
2021-05-08 13:31:38 <shrizza> https://pastebin.com/nMw52pfK
2021-05-08 13:32:07 <shrizza> Consistently seems to happen after rebooting and trying again.
2021-05-08 13:47:19 <shrizza> Ooh, setting nvme_core.default_ps_max_latency_us=0 in the kernel line seems to have fixed it.
2021-05-08 14:00:34 <rapha> Forza: Marquel: i've never used it before. turns out there _is_ no btrfs module. is 4.19.118-0-vanilla too old for it?
2021-05-08 14:01:28 <Sheila> either it's built in or it wasn't built at all.
2021-05-08 14:03:03 <rapha> oh.
2021-05-08 14:03:16 <rapha> hmm, perhaps it's time to upgrade from 3.10 now.
2021-05-08 14:03:40 <rapha> which will mean a reboot, which is a shame, because the box has never needed a reboot before. but i'll accept.
2021-05-08 14:19:19 <eyeRseer> kexec
2021-05-08 14:47:41 <WeblordPepe> how do you pronounce that out loud? keksec? or kay-ekset
2021-05-08 14:47:55 <ikke> kay-exec
2021-05-08 15:13:01 <WeblordPepe> :)
2021-05-08 16:06:56 <wdtTP2O82Kft> is there a way, to not have the currently running linux kernel modules purged when upgrading?
2021-05-08 16:07:11 <ikke> not at the moment
2021-05-08 16:26:13 <detha> glad I am not the only one that gets bitten by that once in a while
2021-05-08 16:26:43 <ikke> if you have the package cached, you can extract the modules
2021-05-08 16:29:06 <detha> yeah. or copy from another machine that is still running old kernel. But it is a small annoyance yes
2021-05-08 16:32:14 <wdtTP2O82Kft> sadly caching is an all or nothing thing. can't only cache linux kernel packages i believe, only with bespoke solutions
2021-05-08 16:33:27 <ikke> correct
2021-05-08 19:03:56 <kelvinf> hey i've been having issues with chrony and busybox's ntp clients not working
2021-05-08 19:04:17 <kelvinf> for whatever reason the times will just be way off, and i'm not sure why
2021-05-08 19:05:33 <ikke> what ntp server do they connect?
2021-05-08 19:05:41 <kelvinf> how can i check that?
2021-05-08 19:07:19 <ikke> with chrony, you can use chronyc
2021-05-08 19:08:00 <kelvinf> ok the output is just the license and copyright info
2021-05-08 19:08:09 <kelvinf> so does this mean that there isn't one set up?
2021-05-08 19:08:20 <ikke> Does it mention chronyc> now?
2021-05-08 19:08:40 <kelvinf> i just typed chronyc into ash
2021-05-08 19:08:57 <kelvinf> i didn't see anything except what i just mentioned
2021-05-08 19:09:39 <kelvinf> oh it does
2021-05-08 19:09:41 <kelvinf> nevermind
2021-05-08 19:10:17 <helby> apk can help too; apk del chrony
2021-05-08 19:12:04 <ikke> apk del chrony
2021-05-08 19:12:07 <ikke> apk del helby
2021-05-08 19:12:23 <halosghost> lol
2021-05-08 19:12:23 <kelvinf> lol
2021-05-08 19:12:39 <kelvinf> time to delete them all and reinstall one
2021-05-08 19:13:14 <kelvinf> ;)
2021-05-08 19:13:53 <helby> no idea why that crap is default in installation
2021-05-08 19:13:55 <ikke> If you know what time it is, at least :)
2021-05-08 19:14:14 <kelvinf> it's a bit of a pain to have to manually set the time
2021-05-08 19:14:23 <ikke> chrony works fine for us
2021-05-08 19:14:33 <helby> busybox too
2021-05-08 19:15:07 <kelvinf> yeah i decided to try busybox as recommended by the wiki's rpi page
2021-05-08 19:15:22 <Sheila> chronyd works fine on my servers.
2021-05-08 19:15:26 <kelvinf> ran setup-ntp and selected busybox
2021-05-08 19:16:27 <helby> if one like to install packages, there is always sane openntpd
2021-05-08 19:17:02 <helby> I had never an issue with busybox or at least it did not complain about and issue :/
2021-05-08 19:17:25 <helby> as it does not log
2021-05-08 19:17:40 <helby> but never come late to work
2021-05-08 23:51:29 <sosodank> howdy howdy alpine friends. i was wondering who runs your mediawiki installation. i run one of my own, and notice you're a bit out of what we'd call the ideal version, and are using the old Vector skin (unfortunate from an SEO perspective, as it's mobile-unfriendly), etc. i'm not really into the joy of maintaining mediawikis, but i'd be happy to go in and update y'alls' if you'd like
2021-05-08 23:51:45 <sosodank> being a general fan of the ol' alpine mission
2021-05-08 23:52:45 <sosodank> compare the alpine one to https://nick-black.com/dankwiki/index.php?title=Special:Version; y'all are back on 1.31, and as mentioned, are lacking the Timeless skin recommended for current use
2021-05-09 00:00:53 <Hello71> some people (cough) argue that we should delete the wiki entirely
2021-05-09 00:00:55 <Hello71> it's not just the mediawiki that's ancient
2021-05-09 00:03:41 <sosodank> that's well above my pay grade, but if you'd like someone to slog through the update, shoot me a mail. btw you claim to be on 1.31.1; even on the 1.31 branch (EOL next month), you probably want 1.31.14. though given that you show a copyright through 2021, maybe you're running more recent code than the version number would suggest?
2021-05-09 00:03:55 <sosodank> [shrug] let me know if you want assistance; mediawiki can be a PITA
2021-05-09 04:47:47 <Dadrophenia> Upgrading to 5.10.35-0-lts broke my WiFi. the wlan0 interface is no longer showing up. Using Intel Wireless 82865 chip. Any ideas what could be going wrong?
2021-05-09 04:48:01 <Dadrophenia> 8265*
2021-05-09 05:44:31 <eyeRseer> checck dmesg missing some firmware? do you remember the module that worked? has it changed
2021-05-09 06:05:24 <Dadrophenia> eyeRseer thanks a lot, checked dmesg and saw there were errors trying to load the firmware. I installed linux-firmware-other and now it works again.
2021-05-09 06:40:55 <tankf33der> did a mistake in /etc/networking/interface and cant get back my alpine
2021-05-09 06:41:03 <tankf33der> googling for single user mode
2021-05-09 06:41:05 <tankf33der> damn
2021-05-09 06:41:09 <tankf33der> any hints ?
2021-05-09 06:43:13 <ikke> add init=/bin/sh to the kernel cmdline
2021-05-09 06:45:46 <tankf33der> right, helped, thanks.
2021-05-09 08:58:37 <markand> the last mails on users@ (regarding raspberry+touchscreen) looks suspicious
2021-05-09 08:58:42 <markand> do you think it's not "real" ?
2021-05-09 08:59:08 <markand> for example it does not even mention Alpine Linux but "your Linux" instead
2021-05-09 09:00:36 <ikke> yeah, high spam indicators
2021-05-09 09:04:11 <detha> Turritopsis. That is a well-known entity :p Not spam per se, but someone living in their own universe. Which occasionally overlaps with ours.
2021-05-09 16:27:31 <Dko1905> I'm writing an OpenRC init script and I'm curious if stop_post() is run on poweroff/reboot?
2021-05-09 16:35:42 <ikke> Dko1905: perhaps ask in #openrc
2021-05-09 16:35:47 <ikke> they have a dedicated channel
2021-05-09 16:35:59 <ikke> but, I would assume so
2021-05-09 20:24:17 <Torr> What are those processor specific ucode packages?
2021-05-09 20:25:47 <ikke> intel-ucode?
2021-05-09 20:25:57 <ikke> amd-ucode
2021-05-09 20:27:17 <Torr> Those and <linux-firmware-amd-ucode>.
2021-05-09 20:54:22 <helby> another crap over other crap in your system
2021-05-09 20:55:01 <helby> 'security' update which makes your cup even worse
2021-05-09 20:56:35 <helby> cpu
2021-05-09 20:58:24 <jjuran> Take this cup away from me
2021-05-09 21:06:44 <helby> I somehow survived without installing that nonsense
2021-05-09 21:19:15 <alle> someone recommend a light/minimal wm ideal for alpine?
2021-05-09 21:19:54 <ikke> awesomewm
2021-05-09 21:20:23 <jvoisin> i3
2021-05-09 21:20:35 <helby> cwm ;)
2021-05-09 21:21:41 <helby> or sway/wlroots builded without X11 crap
2021-05-09 21:21:44 <alle> i dislike awm because includes lua stuff
2021-05-09 21:21:52 <alle> ive heard good stuff bout sway though
2021-05-09 21:22:01 <alle> but idk im not sure what to go with
2021-05-09 21:22:44 <alle> is sway only tiling?
2021-05-09 21:24:49 <helby> tilling, but can do some stacking crap, it's like i3 for wayland
2021-05-09 21:25:45 <alle> any tutorial how to get started with sway on alpine? still relatively new
2021-05-09 21:26:04 <helby> yes, install it and run it :P)
2021-05-09 21:26:37 <alle> ooh
2021-05-09 21:26:53 <helby> there are no trillion of X files in your home which need setup up
2021-05-09 21:27:02 <alle> lol i see
2021-05-09 21:27:07 <alle> thanks dude
2021-05-09 21:27:20 <helby> just copy /etc/sway/config to ~/.config/sway/config and tweak it
2021-05-09 21:28:26 <helby> also recommend to try out 'foot' terminal , pretty tiny and not worse than alacritty
2021-05-09 21:31:30 <alle> will do :) thanks for the tips
2021-05-09 21:50:24 <alle> sway - no such package, im on a fresh install. any ideas?
2021-05-09 21:52:24 <caskd> enabling community repo?
2021-05-09 21:52:53 <caskd> sway is on the community repository, you need to append it to /etc/apk/repositories
2021-05-09 21:53:28 <alle> my
2021-05-09 21:53:30 <alle> my b*
2021-05-09 21:53:37 <helby> that crap should be enabled by default
2021-05-09 21:53:48 <helby> how can one do anything with just main repo
2021-05-09 21:54:38 <helby> alle: check alpine wiki on sway, just few steps if u are on fresh install
2021-05-09 21:55:26 <alle> yeahh im moving from another distro to alpine, so legit is a fresh install
2021-05-09 21:58:18 <alle> do i need to install graphic drivers for sway to run? -- saw it in alpine wiki, but my gpu isnt considered modern at all
2021-05-09 21:58:34 <helby> yes, mesa crap, what gpu u have?
2021-05-09 21:59:06 <alle> an ancient AMD GPU
2021-05-09 21:59:32 <helby> good, at least wiki will help u, as it's ancient too ;)
2021-05-09 22:02:52 <alle> mesa-dri ATI is what im looking if i got an AMD GPU?
2021-05-09 22:04:11 <helby> yes
2021-05-09 22:04:43 <helby> I assume, never used
2021-05-09 22:05:00 <alle> hopefully `apk add mesa-dri-ati` does its magic
2021-05-09 22:05:24 <helby> probably installed more than needed, at least intel case
2021-05-09 22:07:55 <helby> it looks it install the same for intel classic/gallium and if ancient, gallium is not even needed as it's huge
2021-05-09 22:08:09 <helby> at least in my intel case
2021-05-09 22:08:22 <alle> yeah
2021-05-09 22:08:43 <alle> ill see what happens, i think it will do the trick for me
2021-05-09 22:10:09 <helby> yes it will probably, but mesa-dri-gallium with depends will install like 100MB crap
2021-05-09 22:11:05 <helby> but first time probably better to install more than less
2021-05-09 22:11:25 <alle> i understand
2021-05-09 22:11:29 <alle> ehh it doesnt bother me
2021-05-09 22:11:41 <alle> i just wanna get a desktop up =P
2021-05-09 22:12:31 <helby> is it up now? ;)
2021-05-09 22:14:15 <helby> dont'f forget some shitty fonts
2021-05-09 22:15:41 <alle> i basically came to this part, and done everything above https://wiki.alpinelinux.org/wiki/Sway#Configuration_and_Usage
2021-05-09 22:16:38 <alle> i just dont seem to understand the `To run sway, first set XDG_RUNTIME_DIR to a suitable location (e.g. /tmp). Install & configure elogind to skip this step. Then run sway from the Linux console:` for some reason
2021-05-09 22:18:03 <helby> in console if u login u would run 'sway' instead of let's say startx or xinit
2021-05-09 22:18:23 <helby> but if u don't put some shit in .profile or whenever u have to put before XDG_....
2021-05-09 22:18:53 <helby> if u don't want to instlal elogind crap
2021-05-09 22:19:38 <alle> aaa i see
2021-05-09 22:20:30 <alle> if there is no .profile then i just create it right
2021-05-09 22:20:37 <helby> https://wiki.alpinelinux.org/wiki/Wayland
2021-05-09 22:21:06 <helby> yes and put there any crap u want to as ash - shell will source it
2021-05-09 22:22:16 <helby> I put that xdg_runtime_dir in /etc/porfile.d/shit
2021-05-09 22:22:53 <helby> also one note, that if I remember chormium does not run wayland if u use that crap
2021-05-09 22:25:27 <alle> a-ok
2021-05-09 22:25:32 <alle> i use firefox anyway
2021-05-09 22:25:36 <alle> lets see if this works then
2021-05-09 22:26:53 <helby> good, then u will need add to that .profile also "export MOZ_ENABLE_WAYLAND=1"
2021-05-09 22:28:06 <helby> bc. one terabite firefox somehow can't see u run wayland
2021-05-09 22:29:10 <alle> i see :D
2021-05-09 22:29:25 <alle> when im logged in as my user i just nano .profile and put that in?
2021-05-09 22:30:02 <helby> well I would suggest another editor, but yes ;)
2021-05-09 22:30:43 <alle> haha its alright
2021-05-09 22:30:50 <alle> will change up stuff once get sway up
2021-05-09 22:30:57 <helby> but anything u put there will be sourced after next login, so probably u need to log out that our system takes environments from there
2021-05-09 22:31:19 <alle> Yeah, did this already (just now)
2021-05-09 22:32:04 <alle> i did the /etc/profile.d/xxx thing, and added that to my .profile, how do i launch sway now?
2021-05-09 22:32:26 <helby> login and then 'sway'
2021-05-09 22:32:39 <helby> u can then obviously put autologin script there too
2021-05-09 22:37:10 <helby> so my /etc/profile.d/xdg_runtime_dir.sh looks like this https://paste.dismail.de/?a5d9810fb6bbf8f5#F5A2Y86BP7QKWHNtKwTxouD5uC6T9smQwE9iqmTArLQy
2021-05-09 22:37:25 <helby> that from tty1 after login it auto run sway
2021-05-09 22:38:30 <alle> i see =D
2021-05-09 22:38:39 <alle> i just ran sway and the icons look like [] basically
2021-05-09 22:38:46 <alle> fonts maybe?
2021-05-09 22:40:45 <helby> yes u missing font
2021-05-09 22:44:15 <helby> if u are not familiar with sway/wayland this can help you https://github.com/swaywm/sway/wiki
2021-05-09 22:47:21 <alle> i see, thanks for this!
2021-05-09 23:20:01 <helby> maybe wlroots and sway will be even updated this year in repo :/
2021-05-10 05:10:22 <whatsyourask> Hi, let's see if someone can guide me a bit. Install "wireless-tools wpa_supplicant" on a Raspberry Pi 400. No wlan0 appears using the if config command.
2021-05-10 05:18:37 <Sheila> wifi devices typically require firmware
2021-05-10 06:27:48 <markand> normally linux-rpi* install linux-firmware-brcm
2021-05-10 06:29:07 <markand> whatsyourask, do you have linux-firmware-brcm installed?
2021-05-10 06:29:52 <markand> if you don't run udev (which does magic things under the hood) maybe you need to load additionals modules by hand
2021-05-10 06:39:25 <whatsyourask> markand, It seems that everything I need is installed. I think that the raspberry pi 4 image that I download does not include the firmware for the raspberry pi 400.
2021-05-10 06:39:56 <markand> it's only linux-firmware-brcm that is required, I have only that on my pi 4b (which is essentially the same) and I get wlan0
2021-05-10 06:40:05 <markand> but I run udev and I know that udev loads more module that pure mdev
2021-05-10 06:40:22 <markand> are you able to paste a lsmod output?
2021-05-10 06:40:57 <whatsyourask> Inside / lib / firmware I see the drivers for other raspberries but not for the 400.
2021-05-10 06:41:43 <markand> can you type dmesg | grep brcm
2021-05-10 06:42:25 <whatsyourask> "brcmfmac mmc1:0001:1: Direct firmware load for brcm/brcmfmac43456
2021-05-10 06:42:25 <whatsyourask> -sdio.bin failed with error -2"
2021-05-10 06:43:11 <whatsyourask> "using brcm/brcmfmac43456-sdio f
2021-05-10 06:43:11 <whatsyourask> or chip BCM4345/9"
2021-05-10 06:46:16 <markand> strange indeed
2021-05-10 06:47:31 <whatsyourask> Well you helped me enough, I have a recallbox image that the wifi works, I will compare the drivers to see if it is different.
2021-05-10 06:47:56 <markand> I don't have a pi400 yet so I'm unable to help more
2021-05-10 06:48:14 <whatsyourask> I have a feeling that pi 400 the wifi is different to the raspberry pi 4
2021-05-10 06:48:18 <markand> but AFAIK the pi folks just tweaked the pi4 board into a keyboard shape so I'd expect that it works the same
2021-05-10 06:48:21 <markand> maybe
2021-05-10 06:48:44 <markand> the linux-firmware-brcm package is quite recent though
2021-05-10 06:54:13 <whatsyourask> yes, the edge package is the one I am using.
2021-05-10 08:25:04 <Forza> I'm looking to set up some simple uptime monitoring using a VM machine based on Alpine. I'd like to ping and plot the results over time with a Web based interface. Is there anything like this in Alpine?
2021-05-10 08:25:50 <Forza> I suppose I can set up munin + apache for it, though munin pings are sequential and not done in parallell
2021-05-10 08:39:52 <ikke> smokeping or zabbix (or Nagios)
2021-05-10 08:42:25 <Forza> Ah smokeping I remember from long ago. Never heard of Nabbix. Nagios seems so overkill =)
2021-05-10 08:44:41 <Forza> https://oss.oetiker.ch/smokeping-demo/?target=Customers.OP.octopus Exactly what I was looking for. Thanks
2021-05-10 08:49:21 <Forza> https://wiki.alpinelinux.org/wiki/Setting_up_Smokeping - Big warning there ;) Anything in particular that I should avoid?
2021-05-10 08:50:07 <Forza> Perhaps better to run with nginx/apache?
2021-05-10 08:54:13 <ikke> Not a very professional warning
2021-05-10 09:00:44 <Forza> :)
2021-05-10 09:23:32 <Forza> How do I use dns search in resolve.conf with dhcp? It seems not all dns search entries isn't added by default
2021-05-10 09:31:16 <Forza> Seems adding dns-search in /etc/network/interfaces doesn't work
2021-05-10 09:54:12 <Forza> I added it to If-up-post.d
2021-05-10 14:37:00 <rkalla> Just leanred about Alpine about an hour ago, so please excuse the silly question...
2021-05-10 14:37:01 <rkalla> If wanting to install apps that I don't see in the repos (in my case Brave Browser and Signal desktop client) - would someone mind pointing me at the guidance around installing non-packaged software? A best practices (to keep things organized) for example?
2021-05-10 14:37:41 <wdtTP2O82Kft> you either package it yourself, or you run those in chroots with glibc
2021-05-10 14:38:30 <wdtTP2O82Kft> although i don't think you want to package them yourself, so chrooting is the way to go
2021-05-10 14:39:07 <ikke> Flatpak could also work
2021-05-10 14:39:39 <ikke> rkalla: did you happen to see the article on HN?
2021-05-10 15:04:51 <yokwe> how do i setup ash aliases in alpine? i did this and still nothing works https://stackoverflow.com/a/44581167 - yes i opened a new terminal after i done that
2021-05-10 15:12:23 <ikke> yokwe: ash only loads .profile for login shells
2021-05-10 15:12:25 <ikke> try sh -l
2021-05-10 15:23:22 <halosghost> anyone still working on getting bare alpine running on the pinebook pro (postmarketos seems to be really acting up for me)
2021-05-10 15:23:23 <halosghost> ?
2021-05-10 16:02:02 <yokwe> thanks ikke
2021-05-10 16:27:33 <Forza> I noticed a possible bug in xe-guest-utilities. Runtime is looking for /var/cache/xe-linux-distribution but it isn't created by default. It puts a warning in syslog about it
2021-05-10 16:28:25 <ikke> Hmm, should it not create that dir itself?
2021-05-10 16:28:33 <ikke> You cannot assume anything to exist in /var/cache
2021-05-10 16:28:34 <Forza> May  7 09:54:44 localhost user.notice xe-daemon: CollectOS error: &os.PathError{Op:"open", Path:"/var/cache/xe-linux-distribution", Err:0x2}
2021-05-10 16:28:53 <Forza> I'd think so :)
2021-05-10 16:30:18 <hechos> hello guys
2021-05-10 16:30:33 <hechos> need to get support of binfmt
2021-05-10 16:31:00 <hechos> already add qemu-arrch64 openrc-qemu
2021-05-10 16:31:23 <hechos> preparing chroot aarch64 get error code 127
2021-05-10 16:32:18 <miskatonic> there are rumours about openrc being replaced on the long run
2021-05-10 16:32:26 <ikke> long run
2021-05-10 16:32:32 <ikke> not anywhere close
2021-05-10 16:34:31 <hechos> ikke: hi
2021-05-10 16:35:57 <ikke> hechos: I don't know anything about binfmt
2021-05-10 16:36:59 <minimal> hechos: I'm looking at binfmt currently
2021-05-10 16:38:38 <hechos> minimal: i forget but get working to install from x86 to chroot running aarch64
2021-05-10 16:39:19 <hechos> lost couple file where save a text file commands and now can remember
2021-05-10 16:39:23 <hechos> damm
2021-05-10 16:39:44 <minimal> hechos: yupe, I'm doing the same - I previously used Debian for binfmt (via Ansible), finally writing a shell script to do same
2021-05-10 16:40:19 <hechos> minimal: got two pacakges.
2021-05-10 16:40:34 <hechos> qemu-aarch64 and qemu-opnerc
2021-05-10 16:40:55 <Forza> ikke: is it getting harder to port software when they don't provide init scripts any more?
2021-05-10 16:41:12 <minimal> hechos: have you enabled the binfmt init.d script?
2021-05-10 16:41:45 <ikke> Forza: init scripts are not the most difficult things to provide ourselves
2021-05-10 16:43:24 <hechos> minimal: no
2021-05-10 16:44:59 <hechos> minimal: tell how /etc/init.d/binfmt start?
2021-05-10 16:48:14 <minimal> hechos: actually am in the middle of figuring this out. Looks like /etc/init.d/binfmt may not be used, /etc/init.d/qemu-binfmt instead
2021-05-10 16:51:28 <hechos> minimal: i due /etc/init.d/qemu-bintfmt restart and works.
2021-05-10 16:52:21 <minimal> running that and adding the relevant qemu-user-<ARCH> packages should work
2021-05-10 16:53:16 <minimal> I have a script partly written to build disk images using chroot for x86_64/aarch64/armv7
2021-05-10 16:53:24 <hechos> yess. so need to install these two pacakges register binaryformat and start service
2021-05-10 16:54:43 <minimal> hechos: building for a VM or a physical machine? you might be interested in my script when its ready
2021-05-10 16:56:19 <yokwe> anything for sway to enable taskbar?
2021-05-10 16:57:12 <yokwe> like open windows are seeable in the taskbar
2021-05-10 20:23:55 <Forza> Hi again. It seems that dns search entries updates during dhcp refresh so my fix to add them in ifup-post didn't work
2021-05-10 20:24:07 <Forza> Any tips here?
2021-05-10 20:25:31 <ikke> You can set RESOLV_CONF=no in /etc/udhcpc/udhcpc.conf
2021-05-10 20:25:38 <Forza> https://wiki.alpinelinux.org/wiki/Udhcpc
2021-05-10 20:25:47 <Forza> Just found it! Thanks
2021-05-10 20:27:26 <Forza> I wonder why it only brings one of the four  search domains by default
2021-05-10 20:45:33 <yokwe> what package manager plays well with apk that isnt bloated
2021-05-10 20:46:08 <yokwe> *that has major apps covered
2021-05-10 20:52:14 <ikke> apk is a package manager itself?
2021-05-10 20:59:00 <helby> ikke: yes. feel free to ask anything if u need some help :/
2021-05-10 21:02:00 <yokwe> well
2021-05-10 21:02:22 <yokwe> im trying to install nix pkg manager
2021-05-10 21:04:56 <helby> obviously, bc. it makes sense
2021-05-10 21:50:25 <rkalla> wdtTP2O82Kft: thx for pointer.
2021-05-10 21:50:25 <rkalla> ikke: Ah, didn't think about flatpak and the like. That works. I saw the drewdevault.com article - yes.
2021-05-11 01:51:44 <dumrr> i need help choosing a browser and text/code editor. both need to be relatively light on system resources, as i do not want bloat. note that i still want something for the modern web, so it does not break websites...
2021-05-11 01:52:40 <dumrr> so what do other alpine users use 🤔
2021-05-11 01:57:21 <helby> firefox
2021-05-11 01:57:29 <helby> is practically only choice
2021-05-11 01:58:42 <Sheila> otter-browser, maybe, if it's built against qtwebkit and not qtwebengine
2021-05-11 01:59:06 <Sheila> for text editor, nano is good.
2021-05-11 02:00:19 <helby> editor if vi like, then probably vis is one of few usable, if other style, there are many lightweight if u don't mind ctrl click click with 14 fingers
2021-05-11 02:07:18 <helby> Sheila: I think otter is not even in repo
2021-05-11 02:10:05 <Hello71> isn't qtwebkit totally insecure
2021-05-11 02:10:28 <Hello71> i mean even more so than webkit in general
2021-05-11 02:10:30 <Sheila> it's news to me, if so.
2021-05-11 02:10:52 <Hello71> it's unmaintained for several years now
2021-05-11 02:12:37 <helby> even webkit2gtk browsers are not so usable
2021-05-11 02:57:17 <eletrotupi> I have been a qutebrowser user for a long time, but on my laptop (with Alpine) it kept crashing everytime
2021-05-11 02:57:22 <eletrotupi> so I went back to firefox
2021-05-11 05:10:54 <anjan> Unfortunately, we live in a duopoly of firefox and chromium
2021-05-11 05:11:05 <anjan> firefox+noscript is the most privacy respecting option imo
2021-05-11 05:12:21 <anjan> I really like the handbook initiative. Are we going to be replacing the wiki with the handbook long term?
2021-05-11 05:13:56 <ikke> anjan: I think the wiki will maintain, but the main documentation should live under docs
2021-05-11 05:15:59 <anjan> ok sweet. I found alot of the wiki's information wrong or out of date. I try to fix it when I can. Should I just continue to do that or are there instructions to sending MR for the handbook?
2021-05-11 05:16:13 <anjan> or a list of pages they want in the handbook?
2021-05-11 15:52:05 <aieme> how is alpine linux with older hardware? specifically amd
2021-05-11 15:53:19 <jvoisin> good
2021-05-11 16:05:19 <aieme> when installing alpine how do I connect to wifi from CLI? I do not use ethernet
2021-05-11 16:06:10 <caskd> this is not a alpine specific problem but you would usually use wpa_supplicant for this
2021-05-11 16:06:51 <Hello71> setup-interfaces handles it
2021-05-11 16:06:54 <Hello71> although not very well
2021-05-11 16:07:11 <Hello71> whether it's intel or amd is not very relevant
2021-05-11 16:07:19 <Hello71> mainly important is exactly how old it is
2021-05-11 16:07:28 <aieme> so I can connect to wifi before installing alpine on my disk?
2021-05-11 16:07:33 <caskd> yes
2021-05-11 16:07:55 <Hello71> if it's more than about 15 years old you may have issues booting from usb
2021-05-11 16:08:18 <aieme> how would one do that? i plan to use alpine for my old laptop, but no, not 15 years, only like 5
2021-05-11 16:08:33 <Hello71> do what
2021-05-11 16:08:37 <aieme> i did manage to boot though, so should be all fine, I just need to connect to wifi from CLI
2021-05-11 16:08:48 <Hello71> run setup-alpine like it recommends
2021-05-11 16:08:59 <aieme> dhcp?
2021-05-11 16:09:24 <caskd> setup-alpine calls setup-interfaces and that gets the interface ready with dhcp and all
2021-05-11 16:09:35 <aieme> ohhh
2021-05-11 16:10:00 <aieme> will it ask me which network to connect to or do I have to do that manually?
2021-05-11 16:12:47 <caskd> yes, but it only works if your access point (router) has either open (no password) or WPA-PSK (most common authentication method)
2021-05-11 16:13:54 <caskd> so in most cases it will prompt you
2021-05-11 16:15:50 <Hello71> pretty sure it works with WEP and WPA2 too
2021-05-11 16:15:54 <Hello71> not sure about WPA3
2021-05-11 16:16:06 <aieme> It is WPA2
2021-05-11 16:16:44 <Hello71> hm, actually not WEP
2021-05-11 16:17:40 <caskd> i don't think the auth types differ between revisions
2021-05-11 16:17:48 <caskd> so any wpa version should work with PSK
2021-05-11 16:18:29 <aieme> I see. So definitely is possible in the very end?
2021-05-11 16:18:43 <caskd> very likely
2021-05-11 16:19:28 <caskd> most people use WPA-PSK for personal access points
2021-05-11 16:22:04 <aieme> so during install I can do `apk add wireless-tools wpa_supplicant` without an Internet connection
2021-05-11 16:22:38 <caskd> if you use the iso they should already be installed
2021-05-11 16:22:42 <ikke> Just run setup-alpine
2021-05-11 16:23:25 <aieme> understood :)
2021-05-11 17:01:08 <nature> Is there a way to monitor GPU usage in alpine?
2021-05-11 17:01:39 <Hello71> driver specific
2021-05-11 17:08:00 <nature> for amdgpu ?
2021-05-11 17:08:23 <nature> I didn't find anything in the packages... maybe I am just too inexperienced with this
2021-05-11 17:13:34 <Hello71> cat /sys/kernel/debug/dri/0/amdgpu_pm_info
2021-05-11 17:16:01 <nature> Awesome! thanks Hello71 !
2021-05-11 17:16:45 <Hello71> there are some programs but ime buggy and some insecure
2021-05-11 19:13:37 <plams> you guys I ran setup-alpine and it asks me whether eth0 or wlan0, I choose wlan0 and after that it asks me to connect to a network and input its name and password, after all that it asks me whether static or dhcp or none, I choose dhcp because my router is dynamic, but after that it says requesting lease a couple of times and fails
2021-05-11 19:14:21 <ikke> plams: what does `ip link` return?
2021-05-11 19:14:44 <plams> be right back then
2021-05-11 19:15:00 <plams> wait
2021-05-11 19:15:05 <plams> what should it return ?
2021-05-11 19:15:25 <ikke> information about your interfaces
2021-05-11 19:15:35 <plams> okay need to see that one moment
2021-05-11 19:33:30 <plasm> well after I did `ip link` it shown lo, wlan0 and eth0, I tried `ifup wlan0` but still a nope. I also saw somewhere to add udhcpc_opts -b at the end of the /etc/network/interfaces file, so I did that using `echo 'udhcpc_opts -b' >> /etc/network/interfaces` but still nothing was working. keeps saying can't get lease, note it's a laptop and I want to
2021-05-11 19:33:31 <plasm> establish wifi connection
2021-05-11 19:38:03 <plasm> any ideas? i downloaded and flashed latest alpine an hour ago trying to install it
2021-05-11 19:39:58 <ikke> anything in /var/log
2021-05-11 19:40:02 <ikke> /var/log/message
2021-05-11 19:40:04 <ikke> or dmesg?
2021-05-11 19:40:45 <plasm> gonna see just a sec
2021-05-11 22:40:39 <plural> I'm on a fresh alpine linux install and it doesn't seem I can mount my usb at all. any help or tips what to do?
2021-05-11 22:44:23 <helby> what error u get?
2021-05-11 22:44:45 <helby> also u would mount something like /dev/sdb1 not just sdb
2021-05-11 22:46:08 <plural> yeah. that's what I'm doing
2021-05-11 22:46:15 <plural> it's also fat32 formatted drive
2021-05-11 22:46:51 <plural> `mount: mounting /dev/sdb1 on /mnt failed: Invalid argument`
2021-05-11 22:47:22 <helby> do u have dosfstools? not sure if it needed, but
2021-05-11 22:47:44 <plural> dosfstools
2021-05-11 22:47:44 <plural> ash: dosfstools: not found
2021-05-11 22:48:01 <helby> try to install install it
2021-05-11 22:48:18 <plural> done. what now?
2021-05-11 22:48:23 <helby> now try to mount usb
2021-05-11 22:49:03 <plural> still :(
2021-05-11 22:49:13 <helby> dosfstools handle just vfat systems, I think also used with fsck during boot and so on
2021-05-11 22:49:30 <helby> try mount -t vfat /dev/sdb1 or whatever
2021-05-11 22:50:27 <plural> vfat would be for fat32 right?
2021-05-11 22:51:11 <c705> i think thats exfat
2021-05-11 22:51:23 <helby> I think it some extra, but compatible with fat32
2021-05-11 22:51:41 <plural> dude
2021-05-11 22:51:43 <helby> check dmesg how usb is mounted or install lsblk and check it
2021-05-11 22:51:45 <plural> ur a life saver
2021-05-11 22:51:59 <plural> i wanna scream i thought i lost my documents
2021-05-11 22:52:06 <plural> much love :D
2021-05-11 22:54:35 <helby> u can lose documents in usb only if u do it using openbsd :d bc. their nonsense is top
2021-05-11 22:56:49 <plural> hahaha
2021-05-11 22:57:16 <helby> happens to me when switching from it to alpine
2021-05-11 22:57:33 <plural> alpine is top c:
2021-05-11 22:57:35 <helby> or vice versa don't remember
2021-05-11 22:57:58 <helby> well it's simple without nonsense, so easier for regular shit
2021-05-11 22:59:12 <helby> still I think mount should recognize filesystem and mount it properly even without -t option or whatever, but sometimes
2021-05-11 22:59:16 <qman__> vfat is an improvement over fat32 that was introduced in Windows 95
2021-05-11 22:59:39 <helby> something like that ;)
2021-05-11 23:00:01 <helby> pretty 'new' tech ;)
2021-05-11 23:01:22 <qman__> When people say fat32 nowadays they mean the most modern version with all the features, so fat32 and vfat generally refer to the same thing now
2021-05-11 23:01:40 <qman__> The difference is historical
2021-05-11 23:04:37 <helby> still can't handle win installer as it's over 4gb ;)
2021-05-11 23:05:54 <helby> don't know what is 'linux' way for usb data
2021-05-11 23:06:30 <plural> ext4?
2021-05-12 00:33:20 <Epsilon^> So, my question: I identified Alpine as super cool and lightweight, but I have a high-CPU usage application that *runs*, but the performance is about half of what I expect. I don't appear to have CPU governors as mentioned in the Wiki, and every search term I come up with is asking *why( CPU usage is high.
2021-05-12 00:33:25 <Epsilon^> I want high CPU usage. :P
2021-05-12 00:33:58 <Epsilon^> (specifically, I want to max out 7 of the 8 cores I have assigned to the virtual machine)
2021-05-12 00:34:13 <Epsilon^> Also, I'm getting similar results with the -virt and the -standard install .iso.
2021-05-12 00:35:47 <tehcloud> what is the application?
2021-05-12 00:36:24 <Epsilon^> Searching for Conway's Game of Life objects. Think bitcoin mining, but less offensive. :P
2021-05-12 00:37:15 <tehcloud> hmmm... I wonder if it stresses some aspect of musl that is slower than the glibc implementation or something
2021-05-12 00:37:44 <Epsilon^> I've heard at least one of those terms.
2021-05-12 00:38:01 <Epsilon^> FWIW, what I'm comparing it to is CentOS 7. Otherwise the same amount of RAM and CPU assigned.
2021-05-12 00:39:28 <Epsilon^> To give actual numbers, the CentOS VM is doing about 17000/second, the Alpine VM is doing about 7300/second.
2021-05-12 00:39:30 <tehcloud> a good way to test my theory is to try Void musl vs Void glibc
2021-05-12 00:39:39 <tehcloud> then you have the same distro, better comparison
2021-05-12 00:39:52 <Epsilon^> hm. "Void" is a distro?
2021-05-12 00:39:53 <tehcloud> depends how much time you have
2021-05-12 00:40:07 <tehcloud> yes, it's another minimalist distro that is nearly as cool as Alpine but not quite ;)
2021-05-12 00:40:25 <Epsilon^> eh, I'm fiddling around. This is hardly urgent or anything.
2021-05-12 00:40:26 <tehcloud> I use it for work because I need glibc for work, and it is a pretty good distro
2021-05-12 00:40:58 <Epsilon^> Ultimately, I want to pack this up so people can set 'em up easily. I've already got scripts for CentOS, but it's still 500MB after compressing everything about as much as I can.
2021-05-12 00:46:23 <Epsilon^> hm. The download site is not speedy. I'll give some feedback once I've got it set up, if you want.
2021-05-12 00:46:41 <Epsilon^> Either way, thanks for the pointer (and I'll stick around as long as the webchat holds out :V)
2021-05-12 00:49:44 <Epsilon^> ... huh. Apparently I'd downloaded Void for some reason back in 2017. Who knew?
2021-05-12 00:49:58 <tehcloud> not you, apparently ;)
2021-05-12 00:52:10 <Epsilon^> Out of curiosity (now that I've wiki'd musl,) would it even be practical to get Alpine running on glibc? Or is that another minimalist decision on the part of the distro?
2021-05-12 00:55:54 <helby> well, there are 500 distros with glibc, so choose one of few with musl to want glibc is ...
2021-05-12 01:04:24 <Epsilon^> Maybe I should rephrase my question - is there a practical reason for using musl? And this is less "lol gimme glibc alpine" and more "huh, I see musl is a thing, but I have no clue why"
2021-05-12 01:15:09 <Hello71> what is your "high-CPU usage application"
2021-05-12 01:15:18 <Hello71> bitcoin mining?
2021-05-12 01:17:38 <Epsilon^> Hello71 - heh, you missed my clarifying comment. Probably close to bitcoin mining usage-wise, but it's actually searching for Conway's Game of Life objects.
2021-05-12 01:17:44 <Epsilon^> Same thing though - I want to peg the cores I'm using.
2021-05-12 01:18:07 <Hello71> at a guess, it's implemented poorly and uses malloc excessively
2021-05-12 01:18:34 <Hello71> i don't know what you mean exactly by "searching for Conway's Game of Life objects" but it sounds like it shouldn't require dynamic allocation, or in fact any syscalls at all
2021-05-12 01:18:47 <Hello71> except to write the results
2021-05-12 01:19:46 <Epsilon^> sweet jesus
2021-05-12 01:19:59 <Epsilon^> Whatever it is, tehcloud seems to have had the right idea.
2021-05-12 01:20:12 <Epsilon^> glibc is about 4 times faster than musl on Void linux.
2021-05-12 01:20:29 <Epsilon^> (which actually puts it significantly ahead of CentOS as well)
2021-05-12 01:22:12 <tehcloud> so maybe this is something you should bring up with the musl devs
2021-05-12 01:22:25 <tehcloud> if you've discovered something that exposes a huge bottleneck
2021-05-12 01:22:42 <tehcloud> it may be known already, but worth mentioning anyway
2021-05-12 01:22:54 <Epsilon^> oh look, they have an irc channel
2021-05-12 01:23:10 <Epsilon^> gdi I'm going to have to go find my IRC client and install it again, aren't I? ;p
2021-05-12 01:23:23 <tehcloud> welcome back to the 90s :)
2021-05-12 01:23:57 <Epsilon^> I built out a new computer recently (juuuust before prices skyrocketed) and thought "okay, I think I'll bite the bullet and use Discord."
2021-05-12 01:24:05 <Epsilon^> And here I am. ;)
2021-05-12 01:30:53 <Epsilon^> For y'all's bragging rights purposes though, the same install in Void was 2x the size of Alpine. :V
2021-05-12 01:39:23 <helby> u can strip out some dependencies in void with some kind of ignore shit in whatever config is for that
2021-05-12 01:41:19 <helby> but still design is pretty shit, by default u install dracut, it install bash and so on
2021-05-12 01:41:52 <helby> and if something requires bash u know u are on the wrong side :/
2021-05-12 01:52:34 <swel> someone assist with setting up audio? i followed https://wiki.alpinelinux.org/wiki/ALSA but unfortunately it does not still play audio for me
2021-05-12 01:53:11 <helby> don't play with tese configs, it's crap
2021-05-12 01:53:12 <Hello71> did you log out and log in
2021-05-12 01:53:25 <Hello71> actually this article is mostly correct
2021-05-12 01:53:36 <helby> just install alsa-utils and unmute and higher volume
2021-05-12 01:53:37 <Hello71> although you don't need alsaconf
2021-05-12 01:53:42 <swel> yes, I rebooted my PC two times.
2021-05-12 01:53:51 <Hello71> and it doesn't mention elogind
2021-05-12 01:53:53 <helby> not even alsa service start
2021-05-12 01:54:06 <swel> the service seems to be running
2021-05-12 01:54:15 <helby> I never run that service
2021-05-12 01:54:31 <Hello71> the "alsa service" is misleading
2021-05-12 01:54:37 <helby> only what was required is alsautils or tinyalsa to unmute
2021-05-12 01:54:49 <Hello71> and confuses everyone who thinks that /etc/init.d/alsa force-reload does anything useful
2021-05-12 01:54:58 <Hello71> all it does is restores volume
2021-05-12 01:55:13 <Hello71> so you don't need to manually unmute every time you reboot computer
2021-05-12 01:55:17 <swel> Well, I have had no sound at all. I thought just installing alsa will fix it, but it didn't
2021-05-12 01:55:37 <helby> u have to unmute
2021-05-12 01:56:06 <swel> Master one ?
2021-05-12 01:56:09 <helby> check arch wiki or run in terminal alsamixer ,
2021-05-12 01:56:20 <Hello71> well if you don't know what you're doing
2021-05-12 01:56:27 <swel> yeah, I'm in alsamixer
2021-05-12 01:56:27 <Hello71> then obviously first step should be unmute everything
2021-05-12 01:56:44 <Hello71> logically that should be most likely to successfully output audio
2021-05-12 01:56:44 <swel> I put the "master" volume up to 50, but still no sound
2021-05-12 01:56:55 <helby> if u see M down it's mutter, with key 'm' u will unmute then u have to also put that bar up
2021-05-12 01:57:36 <swel> lol ur right, it was muted
2021-05-12 01:57:40 <swel> Silly me........
2021-05-12 01:57:49 <helby> it's stupid linux
2021-05-12 01:58:18 <swel> so all I need is alsa-utils
2021-05-12 01:58:22 <swel> can delete the rest?
2021-05-12 01:58:50 <helby> well, practically alsa-libs I think, alsa-utils are 'utils' for managing
2021-05-12 01:59:36 <helby> something like tinyalsa can save u 90% of size of that alsa-utils nonsense but ...
2021-05-12 02:01:17 <helby> also I think whatever u set up in alsamixer as regular user will be not remembered after reboot
2021-05-12 02:01:41 <swel> sound is crispy clear
2021-05-12 02:01:48 <swel> alsa is not bad tbh
2021-05-12 02:01:54 <helby> so I usually did it as root, then 'alsactl store' I think it saves somewhere some shit
2021-05-12 02:02:10 <swel> oh nawh, did as root
2021-05-12 02:02:20 <swel> because cant use apk when a regular user
2021-05-12 02:06:51 <swel> what about mesa-dri? is that necessary?
2021-05-12 02:09:19 <helby> I think yes for accelerated video
2021-05-12 02:09:43 <helby> probably not both classic and gallium
2021-05-12 02:10:24 <swel> how do I uninstall it?
2021-05-12 02:10:34 <swel> I think it fucks up my setup
2021-05-12 02:11:11 <helby> what gpu u have?
2021-05-12 02:11:20 <helby> in my case for old one, I use just classic
2021-05-12 02:11:42 <swel> an old one, I don't even know the name, AMD
2021-05-12 02:12:07 <swel> I'm not really a 3D guy, I just want a flat and non annoying desktop experience
2021-05-12 02:12:42 <helby> u have to test, in my case, it works with i965 which is in classic, but it's intel and I play with it a lot to figure it out
2021-05-12 02:12:51 <helby> u xorg or wayland?
2021-05-12 02:13:00 <swel> how do I uninstall to see if it makes any changes?
2021-05-12 02:13:03 <swel> wayland
2021-05-12 02:13:26 <helby> well so uninstall mesa-dri-ati or whatever and install just mesa-dri-classic
2021-05-12 02:13:34 <swel> gotcha
2021-05-12 02:13:36 <helby> bc. I think mesa-dri-ati instlal both
2021-05-12 02:13:49 <swel> yes it installed a lot of shit
2021-05-12 02:13:55 <swel> ill just do like you said
2021-05-12 02:15:10 <helby> then I also instlaled some libva crap for accelerated video as it should help little bit with cpu, but not much :/
2021-05-12 02:15:17 <swel> now reboot right?
2021-05-12 02:15:25 <helby> yes
2021-05-12 02:15:32 <swel> be back in a while then :)
2021-05-12 02:17:00 <helby> u sway or gnome ?
2021-05-12 02:17:04 <swel> sway
2021-05-12 02:17:36 <helby> okay, so it probably installed some other mesa too
2021-05-12 02:17:44 <swel> euhh after uninstalling and installing the classic one it doesnt let me launch my terminal anymore
2021-05-12 02:17:54 <helby> cool, u don't need terminal :/
2021-05-12 02:18:17 <swel> wat
2021-05-12 02:19:18 <swel> I'll just reboot
2021-05-12 02:19:31 <helby> it depeneds on your gpu and where is the right driver for it
2021-05-12 02:20:06 <helby> not sure if u have some firmware for your ati, if u loaded also kms ...
2021-05-12 02:20:18 <helby> I have no experience with old ati
2021-05-12 02:21:00 <helby> for example in xorg what I used before if I did not load fbcon framebuffer module I had ot instlal a lot of shit, but if loaded I was able to avoid it
2021-05-12 02:21:31 <helby> also I tested with libva-util or something like that ,u probably need something like vdpau crap
2021-05-12 02:21:48 <helby> it will shows u what driver u use, then u can find it where it is and what package it belongs to
2021-05-12 02:21:53 <helby> if classic or gallium
2021-05-12 02:22:12 <helby> but something like vdpau-gallium or whatever u will probably need too
2021-05-12 02:23:26 <helby> also for example I remember I had issue with alacritty even in wayland without xf86-video-intel
2021-05-12 02:23:51 <helby> while it works, it was like little bit laggy, as it uses probably framebuffer whatever or who knows what
2021-05-12 02:24:15 <helby> but there is a better terminal for wayland obviously :/
2021-05-12 07:20:42 <Forza> Good morning
2021-05-12 07:22:33 <Forza> I was just trying the alpine-virt installer. It seems it is not setting http proxy correctly. I need the same http proxy for both http_proxy and https_proxy
2021-05-12 07:23:30 <Forza> Would it work if I set then manually before running the installer?
2021-05-12 07:26:44 <Forza> Hm. Didn't work
2021-05-12 08:04:55 <Forza> The issue with the xe-guest-utilities is the same on a fresh install. I wonder if the problem is in the init script. It sets the directory to use as a variable but doesn't check it exists first
2021-05-12 08:09:47 <Forza> This is set: XE_LINUX_DISTRIBUTION_CACHE=/var/cache/xe-linux-distribution
2021-05-12 08:14:24 <helby> read about it somewhere few days ago, check mailing list maybe
2021-05-12 08:16:14 <helby> oh it was from u in irc :/
2021-05-12 08:18:38 <Forza> helby: yea. I mentioned it the other day
2021-05-12 08:27:12 <ikke> I guess the expectation is that the daemon would create it, but apparently not
2021-05-12 08:27:39 <ikke> This could be fixed with a checkpath in the service file
2021-05-12 08:29:53 <Forza> Yea. I was just experimenting with that
2021-05-12 08:30:05 <Forza> I think it should be a file and not a directory.
2021-05-12 08:30:54 <ikke> Ah, ok
2021-05-12 08:30:56 <Forza> If I do " touch /var/cache/xe-linux-distribution
2021-05-12 08:30:56 <Forza> " then it gets removed.
2021-05-12 08:31:31 <Forza> I still get the error
2021-05-12 08:34:12 <Forza> Seems the systemd unit does something different. https://github.com/xenserver/xe-guest-utilities/blob/b7b1e66230622d5dc4b0b8f5a05ab53cbac39fc1/mk/xe-linux-distribution.service
2021-05-12 08:34:32 <Forza> It calls ExecStartPre=/usr/share/oem/xs/xe-linux-distribution /var/cache/xe-linux-distribution before running xe-daemon
2021-05-12 08:35:55 <Forza> Oh nm. The rc script does it too:         ebegin "Detecting Linux distribution version"   ${XE_LINUX_DISTRIBUTION} ${XE_LINUX_DISTRIBUTION_CACHE}
2021-05-12 08:38:21 <Forza> OK so xe-linux-distribution is  checking current os info and should set some variables and store them in the cache files. On Alpine it seems to fail the check and outputs nothing
2021-05-12 08:41:19 <Forza> Example from ubuntu running under xcp-ng http://paste.debian.net/1197304/
2021-05-12 08:46:05 <Forza> How do I see what version of Alpine I have installed?
2021-05-12 08:52:16 <Forza> Ohh it seems fixed in newer versions of Alpine. I was on 3.10 and had missed changing to 3.13
2021-05-12 08:57:44 <Forza> Sorry for the fuss!
2021-05-12 09:53:21 <PureTryOut[m]2> To check your Alpine version in the future, `cat /etc/os-release`
2021-05-12 10:13:20 <helby> pretty neat version number alpha 20210212
2021-05-12 10:19:33 <PureTryOut[m]2> That means you're running Alpine edge 😉
2021-05-12 10:29:26 <helby> well Alpine has it in logo, so if u are not running edge, you are not running Alpine ;)
2021-05-12 10:30:22 <helby> it looks there is really not sane text editor in alpine :/
2021-05-12 10:31:40 <PureTryOut[m]2> Depends on your definition of sane. I like (Neo)Vim a lot and find that quite sane 😉
2021-05-12 10:31:43 <helby> last time tried to build nvi2 it was somehow too big for its features
2021-05-12 10:32:06 <PureTryOut[m]2> If you know one that is sane to you but it's not packaged then you can package it yourself
2021-05-12 10:32:09 <helby> 18 MiB terminal editor is far from sane :/
2021-05-12 10:33:41 <helby> it was pretty pain with even simple vi ... to build it
2021-05-12 10:35:33 <helby> version that worked was nvi2 but if remember well it was over 1Mib and I expect 1/5 of it
2021-05-12 10:38:25 <helby> now I am thinking about it, it was probably just bsd database crap, don't remember
2021-05-12 10:39:56 <helby> if busybox vi does not freeze during resizing window, has well utf-8 and maybe wrapping lines, that would be awesome
2021-05-12 10:41:50 <helby> there is one pretty tiny hacked vi 'neatvi'
2021-05-12 10:42:10 <helby> but it has own specialities too ;0
2021-05-12 11:13:06 <Forza> I'm happy with nano. Vi/vim is so alien to me, but I know lots of people swear by it. Good thing we have options :)
2021-05-12 11:22:49 <helby> I can't imagine to work with mouse in terminal
2021-05-12 11:23:48 <helby> or how that crap works, probably with arrows?
2021-05-12 11:24:04 <helby> which practically means move hand like using mouse
2021-05-12 11:24:47 <helby> and for finger's sake how I hate ctrl key, the most hated key on my keyboard
2021-05-12 11:25:08 <markand> o/
2021-05-12 11:25:39 <markand> guys openrc seems to be a bit paintful to work with when being in a chroot, but I'm preparing alpine images (on SD card) by tar'ing minirootfs and installing bunch of things on it
2021-05-12 11:25:56 <markand> and obviously scripts like setup-xorg-base will play with openrc and openrc complain that it's running in a chroot
2021-05-12 11:26:02 <markand> and does weird things afterwards
2021-05-12 16:33:16 <dngray> hey
2021-05-12 16:36:54 <dngray> hmm so is there a way to make alpinelinux's "iptables" command not point to iptables-legacy but rather iptables-nft
2021-05-12 16:37:16 <dngray> im finding docker/lxd are adding rules to the legacy table which is kinda annoying because ive already got some nftables rules
2021-05-12 16:37:28 <dngray> ideally i am surprised alpinelinux ships the legacy binaries
2021-05-12 16:40:07 <yoksm> anyone else got these weird flickers on firefox?
2021-05-12 16:40:57 <yoksm> sometimes randomly crashes due to it
2021-05-12 16:41:15 <lopid> video drivers?
2021-05-12 16:43:17 <dngray> so is there a way to make alpinelinux's "iptables" command not point to iptables-legacy but rather iptables-nft. I'm finding docker/lxd are adding rules to the legacy table which is kinda annoying because ive already got some nftables rules.. am surprised alpinelinux ships the legacy binaries
2021-05-12 16:44:19 <yoksm> lopid how do I make sure?
2021-05-12 16:45:31 <lopid> maybe see if it happens with another large possibly memory hungry application
2021-05-12 16:45:37 <lopid> another browser, perhaps
2021-05-12 16:45:44 <helby> yoksm: what kind of flickers? in xorg?
2021-05-12 16:45:46 <dngray> hmm
2021-05-12 16:45:59 <dngray> i think the freenode bridge might be having some issues at the moment
2021-05-12 16:46:01 <yoksm> chromium almost runs smooth, but I dislike it
2021-05-12 16:56:23 <yoksm> Is it safe to uninstall 3D video drivers?
2021-05-12 16:56:30 <yoksm> (without breaking sway)
2021-05-12 16:57:24 <lopid> not if you're using them
2021-05-12 16:57:42 <lopid> yes if, rather(!)
2021-05-12 16:57:53 <lopid> no, i was right: not!
2021-05-12 16:58:07 <yoksm> well not really I don't do much that's to do with 3D
2021-05-12 16:58:24 <yoksm> but last time I uninstalled the mesa-dri drivers it broke sway and I had to reinstall
2021-05-12 16:58:36 <helby> u need them
2021-05-12 16:58:51 <MY-R> I used cfdisk to create two partitions on hdd, did write etc, ran again cfdisk and see sda1 and sda2, cool, checking "cat /proc/partitions" there are there too but why the hell cant have them in /dev/sda1 and /dev/sda2? ... tried: partprobe /dev/sda, hdparm -z /dev/sda, blockdev --rereadpt /dev/sda and none of them working
2021-05-12 16:58:54 <lopid> video drivers provide 3D support. you don't have to make use of 3D
2021-05-12 16:59:03 <helby> u have to in wayland
2021-05-12 16:59:18 <yoksm> oh
2021-05-12 16:59:35 <helby> yoksm: try to install mesa-gl reboot and check if firefox still does shit
2021-05-12 16:59:57 <yoksm> I've got that installed
2021-05-12 17:00:08 <helby> how it comes?
2021-05-12 17:00:11 <lopid> you found them but can't find them, MY-R?
2021-05-12 17:00:27 <yoksm> but I feel like 3D accel really slows down my stuff
2021-05-12 17:00:37 <helby> what gpu?
2021-05-12 17:00:47 <MY-R> lopid: I just dont have them in /dev/
2021-05-12 17:01:25 <yoksm> helby E1-2500 with Radeon™ HD 8240
2021-05-12 17:02:12 <lopid> "fdisk -l /dev/sda" shows them?
2021-05-12 17:02:32 <MY-R> lopid: yes
2021-05-12 17:02:44 <helby> yoksm: how your flickers looks? these shits when u like open menu, or hover over title?
2021-05-12 17:03:10 <lopid> is it your primary drive?
2021-05-12 17:03:13 <yoksm> when i open my menu, yup.
2021-05-12 17:03:28 <helby> yoksm: jaja, had the same for for old intel :/
2021-05-12 17:04:34 <yoksm> i guess i can live with it
2021-05-12 17:04:46 <helby> I think mesa-gl fixed it for me, not sure
2021-05-12 17:04:46 <MY-R> lopid: no, primary is sd card in raspberry running in diskless mode but it happened to me years ago on PC and laptops with tottaly different disks, thought it was fixed already
2021-05-12 17:04:59 <helby> but had it several times and spent a lot of time with it, but fixed it somehow
2021-05-12 17:05:10 <lopid> do they appear after a reboot?
2021-05-12 17:05:16 <yoksm> still, regarding the video drivers, i think my gpu is better without any 3d stuff, is it possible to uninstall that without breaking sway?
2021-05-12 17:05:44 <helby> I think it was only if enabled hw acceleration in firefox, but I have tons of shit changed in about:config
2021-05-12 17:06:11 <MY-R> lopid: ye I will try after disconnect but I dont wanna reboot machine everytime when doing any simple partitioning, thought is some command to refresh /dev/
2021-05-12 17:06:22 <yoksm> I did disable hw accel in firefox
2021-05-12 17:06:30 <lopid> nod. they may be. try ##linux
2021-05-12 17:06:49 <helby> I also did not install 100MB mesa-dri-gallium
2021-05-12 17:07:00 <helby> as it was not used for my potato gpu
2021-05-12 17:07:07 <lopid> does it happen when using a new firefox profile?
2021-05-12 17:07:19 <MY-R> lopid: they appeared after /etc/init.d/mdev restart ... ehh
2021-05-12 17:07:24 <lopid> ah
2021-05-12 17:07:34 <lopid> i wondered what needed to refresh :)
2021-05-12 17:07:46 <yoksm> what is gallium used for anyway
2021-05-12 17:07:54 <helby> it's mesa 3d driver
2021-05-12 17:07:55 <MY-R> that is insane to do it... restart service
2021-05-12 17:07:59 <helby> for never crap
2021-05-12 17:08:11 <yoksm> safe to uninstall it without breaking sway?
2021-05-12 17:08:14 <helby> well never ... I would say, not for too old
2021-05-12 17:08:18 <lopid> i wonder if udev has something to do with it. are you using udev?
2021-05-12 17:08:20 <helby> u can try
2021-05-12 17:08:34 <helby> I don't need it, not sure how is dependency crap for your amd
2021-05-12 17:09:01 <yoksm> I did apk del mesa-dri-ati before, and once rebooted I got stuck and could not login, because sway was on startup, kept saying I'm missing some file called swandri.so
2021-05-12 17:09:01 <helby> but u will need at least classic
2021-05-12 17:09:05 <MY-R> lopid: didnt install it since it is simple headless server
2021-05-12 17:09:13 <helby> yes, that's it
2021-05-12 17:09:26 <helby> so instead mesa-dri-ati add mesa-dri-classic
2021-05-12 17:09:32 <helby> and maybe for ati something else, no idea
2021-05-12 17:10:03 <yoksm> that's what I exactly did. but after a reboot sway said that I'm missing a file called swandri.so
2021-05-12 17:10:09 <yoksm> in /usr/lib or somewhere
2021-05-12 17:10:22 <helby> so now find that file
2021-05-12 17:10:31 <helby> what package own it
2021-05-12 17:12:01 <yoksm> helby sorry it was called swrast_dri.so
2021-05-12 17:12:20 <yoksm> thats what sway said it was missing. and since i had it on startup i could not login, so i had to wipe everything
2021-05-12 17:12:28 <helby> and it complained about it with classic?
2021-05-12 17:13:01 <yoksm> well before I had installed mesa-dri-ati , but I did apk del mesa-dri-ati and after that apk add mesa-dri-classic , after a reboot said im missing swrast_dri.so , correct
2021-05-12 17:13:43 <helby> then u need that gallium so
2021-05-12 17:14:04 <helby> sway will not run without mesa
2021-05-12 17:14:58 <yoksm> yeah figured. but would be nice if I had no 3d accel shit, it kills my performance , and I dont do much with 3D
2021-05-12 17:18:53 <helby> u can ... in console ;)
2021-05-12 17:19:14 <yoksm> hah
2021-05-12 17:19:19 <yoksm> need that gui
2021-05-12 17:19:31 <helby> aha!
2021-05-12 17:23:42 <Forza> yoksm: maybe xcfe on xorg
2021-05-12 17:24:24 <helby> yoksm: oh now I know what it fixed for me
2021-05-12 17:24:34 <yoksm> what about LXQt?
2021-05-12 17:24:36 <helby> remember
2021-05-12 17:24:38 <yoksm> helby ye?
2021-05-12 17:25:03 <helby> I build wlroots and sway without x11backend and xwayland support, so removed a lot of X crap
2021-05-12 17:25:24 <helby> also as bonus got instead 5mb sway something like 660kb
2021-05-12 17:26:06 <helby> but well, now not sure if it's bc. without X backend or newer version which is already 2 months old, but alpine somehow don't give a shit about it
2021-05-12 17:27:18 <helby> but I removed almost everything from there while I was in apkbuild :d
2021-05-12 17:27:37 <yoksm> debloated
2021-05-12 17:27:38 <helby> some elogind libseat crap
2021-05-12 17:27:41 <yoksm> haha
2021-05-12 17:27:43 <helby> yes, debloat :)
2021-05-12 17:28:23 <helby> it was first tricky bc. that shity sway somehow picked up crap from wlroots
2021-05-12 17:38:13 <helby> yoksm: also not sure if it's related to this issue, but I load kms early and for satan's sake also have libva environment to use i965
2021-05-12 17:42:54 <helby> that fucking flickerring was sometimes so bad, that I was not able to use select box in firefox
2021-05-12 17:57:18 <yoksm> I see. I will leave it for now, and decide what to do with it later, thanks for the help :)
2021-05-12 18:18:22 <helby> alpineconf is coming soon
2021-05-12 18:19:38 <helby> not sure if something like that was in past years as it's mentioned nowhere
2021-05-12 18:19:44 <helby> not even in ancient wiki :/
2021-05-12 18:20:00 <helby> what's not in wiki, did not happen
2021-05-12 18:20:03 <ikke> this is the first time
2021-05-12 18:20:54 <helby> cool, looking forward to watch some crap
2021-05-12 18:21:05 <helby> I missed date to add my talk about wiki ;)
2021-05-12 18:23:32 <ikke> helby: not really a nice way to talk about all the effort people made to bring interesting content
2021-05-12 18:26:52 <helby> few times I see here, people were discourage to edit or add something to wiki
2021-05-12 18:27:14 <helby> bc. it is in uknown state
2021-05-12 18:27:46 <ikke> I was talking about the conference
2021-05-12 18:29:20 <kinghat> i have a docker image that creates a user but the user has /sbin/nologin set, how can i adjust that after the fact?
2021-05-12 18:29:54 <helby> conf will be great, I am sure, looking forward to it
2021-05-12 18:30:21 <helby> I will just pass that systemd talk ;)
2021-05-12 18:34:56 <helby> kinghat: probably in /etc/passwd
2021-05-12 18:36:41 <kinghat> i was just wondering if there was a command that edits it directly?
2021-05-12 18:38:05 <helby> I don't think so, there is no usermod or something like that, but probably if u install it, it can be used but it will maybe install other crap
2021-05-12 18:38:43 <helby> kinghat: there is just adduser and addgroup to add user and add group and user to group
2021-05-12 18:38:48 <kinghat> i need it to happen when the docker image is built so im not sure how to properly edit its line
2021-05-12 18:39:18 <helby> add there 'adduser' maybe?
2021-05-12 18:39:24 <kinghat> im building an image from another image that makes the user but doesnt set its login shell
2021-05-12 18:39:47 <helby> no experience with docker but with adduser u have option to use skeleton, where u can adjust default shit for users
2021-05-12 18:39:49 <kinghat> can i run the adduser command over an already created user?
2021-05-12 18:40:40 <helby> I don't think so
2021-05-12 18:41:12 <kinghat> damn
2021-05-12 18:41:30 <helby> try install libuser
2021-05-12 18:41:51 <helby> but u know u get linux-pam crap
2021-05-12 18:42:57 <helby> but u can do it with some shitty 'script command' to /etc/passwd I assume
2021-05-12 18:43:30 <minimal> kinghat: either use sed to change the value in /etc/passwd or else use "chsh" command from shadow package
2021-05-12 18:45:28 <minimal> kinghat: or change the command that creates the user in the first place to specify which shell you want
2021-05-12 18:46:44 <kinghat> ya i thought about that but its the deno unofficial/official image.
2021-05-12 18:47:04 <kinghat> could open a PR i guess
2021-05-12 18:47:39 <helby> oh, so how somebody normally install dragon? using cd? :D
2021-05-12 18:51:48 <kinghat> minimal: PAM error: https://0bin.net/paste/Cw5wbNdS#MuenyT0VUgGGekIPwJPq70L-p1jcLOzfZ7UtBabE8P6
2021-05-12 18:54:00 <minimal> kinghat: requires Javascript to view...
2021-05-12 18:55:15 <kinghat> minimal: sorry: https://paste.debian.net/hidden/d61304ce/
2021-05-12 18:59:38 <lowendman> Is it possible to use LXQt on alpine?
2021-05-12 19:01:58 <minimal> kinghat: dunno. That container appears to be using glibc on Alpine.
2021-05-12 19:02:16 <kinghat> ya for deno
2021-05-12 19:02:31 <kinghat> not sure what that means in practice though
2021-05-12 19:03:52 <minimal> kinghat: so try the sed approach?
2021-05-12 19:06:12 <minimal> kinghat, something like: sed -i -Ee 's|^(deno.*:)/bin/nologin|\1/bin/sh|' /etc/passwd
2021-05-12 19:06:50 <kinghat> ya i was just looking up the sed command
2021-05-12 19:08:50 <minimal> that's just an example I wrote without actually checking its correct
2021-05-12 19:11:05 <minimal> kinghat: actually what's the purpose of the "deno" user? I don't see a line in the Dockerfile saying "USER deno" so isn't the container running as "root" (unless you specify an alternative user when you do the "docker run"?
2021-05-12 19:16:33 <kinghat> minimal: its to not run as root. when i run the container using vscodes remote container extension for development, vscodes integrated terminal gives me a nologin/this user is not available.
2021-05-12 19:17:49 <kinghat> this is the issue i opened on the creator of the image which has more detailed info: https://github.com/hayd/deno-docker/issues/126
2021-05-12 19:19:21 <ikke> kinghat: what is the goal of this image
2021-05-12 19:20:12 <kinghat> its just an image to develop in using vscodes remote container extension. the regular image is fine for production.
2021-05-12 19:21:09 <kinghat> lol i just want the integrated terminal working and afaict its because the user thats created is set to /bin/nologin
2021-05-12 19:21:27 <ikke> That typically means the uses is not meant to be used interactively
2021-05-12 19:21:33 <ikke> s/uses/user/
2021-05-12 19:22:11 <kinghat> well maybe not for production but im using it as a dev container
2021-05-12 19:22:44 <kinghat> but also, i get shell just fine with docker exec
2021-05-12 19:23:25 <ikke> sure, you just directly create a process
2021-05-12 19:23:34 <ikke> you are not logging in
2021-05-12 19:23:38 <kinghat> https://paste.debian.net/hidden/28362f50/
2021-05-12 19:23:47 <kinghat> ah ok thats why then
2021-05-12 19:23:50 <ikke> > && adduser -u 1993 -S deno -G deno \
2021-05-12 19:23:55 <ikke> -S means it's a system user
2021-05-12 19:25:48 <kinghat> does that mean its off limits or something?
2021-05-12 19:26:01 <ikke> kinghat: What does vs code do that it tries to login as that user?
2021-05-12 19:26:11 <ikke> Even if you docker run that container, you can just do that as that user
2021-05-12 19:26:15 <kinghat> the vscode integrated terminal works fine when i comment out USER deno and run as root
2021-05-12 19:26:28 <ikke> Sure, root has a shell defined
2021-05-12 19:26:39 <ikke> but, for typical docker usage, this is not relevant
2021-05-12 19:27:04 <ikke> this simple example: https://tpaste.us/zxZj
2021-05-12 19:27:26 <kinghat> no but for whatever reason their integrated terminal needs a shell 🤷‍♂️
2021-05-12 19:28:23 <ikke> yeah, I'm wondering what
2021-05-12 19:28:46 <kinghat> this doc says it clearly but the image already has the user created: https://code.visualstudio.com/docs/remote/containers-advanced#_adding-a-nonroot-user-to-your-dev-container
2021-05-12 19:29:01 <ikke> https://tpaste.us/LwP0
2021-05-12 19:30:12 <kinghat> is that showing you got the remote container/integrated terminal working with that image?
2021-05-12 19:30:17 <ikke> You see I'm 'logged in' there as the test user, which has /sbin/nologin as shell
2021-05-12 19:30:48 <kinghat> ya thats the case when i docker exec too
2021-05-12 19:50:23 <kinghat> not sure why there would be a PAM issue when trying to run chsh either
2021-05-12 19:51:19 <kinghat> https://gitlab.alpinelinux.org/alpine/aports/-/issues/11025
2021-05-12 19:52:24 <ikke> kinghat: you can always do something like sed -i '#deno#s#/sbin/nologin#/bin/sh#' /etc/passwd
2021-05-12 19:58:02 <lowendman> what would be the sway equivalent for x?
2021-05-12 19:58:04 <kinghat> does it need to be ran before or after USER deno?
2021-05-12 19:58:40 <kinghat> because before USER it didnt make the change in /etc/passwd
2021-05-12 19:59:51 <ikke> kinghat: the USER statement in a DOCKER file just sets the default user
2021-05-12 20:00:04 <ikke> (and the user to run subsequent commands as
2021-05-12 20:01:13 <Habbie> lowendman, i recall i3wm is somewhat similar, but i could be entirely mistaken
2021-05-12 20:02:41 <kinghat> ya. weird its still not making the edit:
2021-05-12 20:02:41 <kinghat> deno:x:1000:1000:Linux User,,,:/home/deno:/sbin/nologin
2021-05-12 20:03:17 <kinghat> thanks for your time 🙏 ill have to keep trying later.
2021-05-12 20:03:37 <ikke> kinghat: You should do it before, you cannot change /etc/passwd as nonroot
2021-05-12 20:05:34 <kinghat> ikke: ya i am: https://paste.debian.net/hidden/519b673f/
2021-05-12 20:05:53 <helby> lowendman: both are the same shit, I think sway matches all i3 features for wayland
2021-05-12 20:07:50 <MY-R> oooooook, cool, Alpine on rpi4 boot directly from hdd connected via usb, sweet!
2021-05-12 20:11:45 <helby> MY-R: how it perform?
2021-05-12 20:14:02 <MY-R> same like from sdcard, I was afraid that wont be abble to boot up because of usb->sata adapter so picked up the one which worked for most of the people
2021-05-12 20:21:40 <lowendman> helby since sway wont work without mesa-dri i have to look for alternatives. alpine itself is light on resources, but i have trouble with picking a wm
2021-05-12 20:22:06 <helby> well not many choice for wayland
2021-05-12 20:22:24 <Hello71> why are you trying to randomly delete packages
2021-05-12 20:22:32 <helby> did u run xorg before without mesa-dri?
2021-05-12 20:23:20 <helby> better randomly get to heaven than by script to hell :/
2021-05-12 20:25:45 <helby> lowendman: for xorg there are many option
2021-05-12 20:26:41 <lowendman> helby yeah
2021-05-12 20:27:18 <helby> there is just one thing what I miss from xorg, cwm ;)
2021-05-12 20:28:07 <helby> it's masterpiece
2021-05-12 20:28:42 <lowendman> should run fine without the mesa-dri things?
2021-05-12 20:30:12 <helby> I don't think that X will start without mesa crap, how did u run it without it?
2021-05-12 20:32:00 <lowendman> not sure either but I remember before that it worked just fine
2021-05-12 20:32:36 <wej> why should X require mesa? that would be something new
2021-05-12 20:32:59 <helby> so what driver would u install?
2021-05-12 20:33:24 <wej> depends on your gpu, if in doubt try modesetting
2021-05-12 20:33:27 <helby> not even xf86-video-anything what install everything is find?
2021-05-12 20:33:38 <wej> which should come with X by default, so no need to install it
2021-05-12 20:34:22 <lowendman> so X would run just fine without Mesa
2021-05-12 20:34:27 <wej> yes
2021-05-12 20:34:49 <lowendman> what would be an ideal replacement for sway then? based on X
2021-05-12 20:35:07 <wej> i3?
2021-05-12 20:35:41 <wej> i don't use tiling window managers all that much, but i belive sway ist kind of similar to i3
2021-05-12 20:35:48 <wej> e
2021-05-12 20:35:58 <lowendman> I will give it a shot. thanks mate
2021-05-12 20:36:10 <wej> :)
2021-05-12 20:38:40 <Hello71> modesetting requires opengl driver
2021-05-12 20:38:58 <Hello71> for glamor
2021-05-12 20:42:44 <wej> you don't need opengl to use the driver
2021-05-12 20:43:11 <wej> all that's required is kernel mode setting support for your gpu
2021-05-12 21:23:53 <dthusian> Hi, how can I use mkinitfs to explicitly insert a kernel module into the initrd? For some reason my laptop needs the vmd module loaded to access the main drive.
2021-05-12 21:26:32 <ikke> dthusian: by adding it as a feature in /etc/mkinitfs/mkinitfs.conf
2021-05-12 21:32:02 <dthusian> ikke: From searching the features.d directory on the mkinitfs source, there's no feature containing vmd. Do I have to manually make one?
2021-05-12 21:32:13 <ikke> yes, if it's missing you can create one
2021-05-12 21:32:42 <dthusian> alright, I'll try that
2021-05-12 22:05:21 <dthusian> ikke: It's all working now, thanks for your help
2021-05-12 22:07:38 <ikke> np
2021-05-13 00:05:27 <concernedanon10> Hello, I'm trying to run a glibc binary in flatpak. Is there a way to just install a barebone glibc distribution and get an interactive shell in it?
2021-05-13 00:07:15 <Sheila> concernedanon10: install debian or ubuntu in to a chroot.
2021-05-13 00:07:26 <Sheila> (or void)
2021-05-13 00:08:01 <concernedanon10> Sheila: chroot seems like a security risk (from what I've heard) because if a process manages to break out of it, it'll have root privileges
2021-05-13 00:09:17 <Sheila> I mean, if it's a GUI app use a VM.
2021-05-13 00:09:57 <tehcloud> you could also run it on another box and do X11 forwarding
2021-05-13 03:26:07 <kinghat> under adduser/addgroup -S, what is a system user/group?
2021-05-13 03:27:28 <Sheila> user/group with ID less than the starting number for non-system user/group IDs (typically < 1000)
2021-05-13 03:28:39 <Sheila> this is mainly done so that you can readily list users and their groups without seeing system accounts if you need to.
2021-05-13 03:34:18 <kinghat> interesting
2021-05-13 03:34:47 <kinghat> in the deno alpine image they set the user up like this: https://paste.debian.net/hidden/abd5b6ca/
2021-05-13 03:35:31 <kinghat> why would you use a groupid and userid of 1933?
2021-05-13 03:37:11 <Sheila> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
2021-05-13 03:37:24 <kinghat> thats the port they expose as well
2021-05-13 03:37:29 <Sheila> vendors do weird shit all the time, best to ask *them* why they're doing it.
2021-05-13 03:38:31 <kinghat> why would you need the -S flag if you have a uid/gid over 1000?
2021-05-13 03:39:48 <Sheila> tbh I'd suggest reading busybox docs for adduser/addgroup, or the source if their docs aren't helpful, because usually it's just semantics.
2021-05-13 03:43:43 <kinghat> the alpine docs also say that by default adduser will "set the shell to the one used by the root account (ash by default)" but the container RUN command doesnt set it and it gets created as deno:x:1000:1000:Linux User,,,:/home/deno:/sbin/nologin
2021-05-13 03:47:59 <Sheila> right, because that's one of the things -S changes.
2021-05-13 03:50:28 <kinghat> -S changes the default shell of a user? or doesnt apply a default?
2021-05-13 03:50:57 <Sheila> changes what it thinks the default shell is.
2021-05-13 03:51:30 <Sheila> there's no reason to be able to log in to a system account, hence /sbin/nologin
2021-05-13 03:53:07 <kinghat> is it commonplace for a container user to be -S?
2021-05-13 03:53:52 <Sheila> wouldn't know, I don't do containers.
2021-05-13 03:54:08 <kinghat> ok, thanks for your time Sheila 🙏
2021-05-13 03:54:48 <Sheila> np
2021-05-13 04:05:20 <blubshep> Since `apk search` currently seems to lack documentation, how do you do a case insensitive search for packages?
2021-05-13 04:07:16 <Sheila> normally doesn't matter since convention is for package names to all be lowercase
2021-05-13 04:09:24 <blubshep> yeah but it matters when you search descriptions
2021-05-13 04:30:13 <ikke> there is no option for it
2021-05-13 04:33:01 <blubshep> I see
2021-05-13 05:43:02 <dngray_> hmm
2021-05-13 05:43:13 <dngray_> i think the irc/matrix bridge is broken
2021-05-13 05:43:25 <dngray_> anyone seeing this?
2021-05-13 05:43:33 <zcrayfish> Nope
2021-05-13 05:43:41 <Sheila> see whatnow?
2021-05-13 05:43:42 <dngray_> so my question is, if i install docker, it seems to be using iptables-legacy
2021-05-13 05:44:00 <dngray_> which is really annoying, is there a way to force "iptables" to be iptables-nft
2021-05-13 05:44:12 <dngray_> in debian we use update-alternatives for that
2021-05-13 05:44:33 <dngray_> this host has lxd, docker and of course nftables
2021-05-13 05:44:51 <dngray_> so what i was finding is when docker was starting it was killing my bridges with LXD by interfering with the firewall
2021-05-13 05:45:11 <Sheila> afaik there isn't a mechanism for that at the moment.
2021-05-13 05:45:31 <dngray_> hmm i think the iptables-legacy should be its own package really
2021-05-13 05:45:39 <dngray_> cos i can't see any reason why anyone would want to use that
2021-05-13 05:45:51 <dngray_> not just "iptables" gives you everything whether you like it or not
2021-05-13 05:46:03 <dngray_> https://discuss.linuxcontainers.org/t/lxd-and-docker-firewall-redux-how-to-deal-with-forward-policy-set-to-drop/9953/3 is what i am talking about
2021-05-13 05:50:16 <dngray_> the rules docker seems to add are these: https://clbin.com/IbzMi
2021-05-13 05:51:27 <ikke> yes, docker manages iptables
2021-05-13 05:51:43 <dngray_> yeah but i want it to use iptables-nft and not iptables-legacy
2021-05-13 05:52:02 <ikke> jj
2021-05-13 05:52:03 <dngray_> it will then use libnft and when i do nft list ruleset i should see them in there too
2021-05-13 05:52:22 <dngray_> can't wait for iptables to go the way of ipchains :D
2021-05-13 05:52:41 <dngray_> guess we just need to wait for all the old grey-beard linux admins to retire first haha
2021-05-13 05:52:46 <ikke> at least awall still depends on iptables, and I have not seen any progress it going to nft
2021-05-13 05:53:13 <dngray_> hmm yeah i don't tend to use wrappers like awall
2021-05-13 05:53:38 <dngray_> i just write in firewall syntax like nftables usually
2021-05-13 05:54:08 <dngray_> i suppose i could delete "iptables" and change the symlinks
2021-05-13 05:54:13 <dngray_> to point to the -nft variants
2021-05-13 05:54:22 <dngray_> though every package upgrade is going to nuke that probably
2021-05-13 05:56:19 <dngray_> hmm not sure that's the right thing to do actually
2021-05-13 05:56:24 <dngray_> cos they point to these files
2021-05-13 05:57:20 <dngray_> https://clbin.com/95BhY
2021-05-13 05:57:55 <dngray_> so yeah i could
2021-05-13 05:57:58 <dngray_> just wipe out those 3 symlinks
2021-05-13 05:58:06 <dngray_> /sbin/iptables -> xtables-legacy-multi
2021-05-13 05:58:18 <dngray_> /sbin/iptables-restore -> xtables-legacy-multi
2021-05-13 05:58:31 <dngray_> /sbin/iptables-save -> xtables-legacy-multi
2021-05-13 05:59:14 <dngray_> and instead point them to xtables-nft-multi, xtables-nft-multi
2021-05-13 05:59:55 <dngray_> maybe i should see if there's anything on bugs.alpinelinux about it
2021-05-13 06:02:30 <dngray_> maybe there's a docker config that i can set to make it use the right one hmm
2021-05-13 06:02:54 <dngray_> that would solve the problem now i think about it
2021-05-13 06:03:04 <dngray_> https://forums.docker.com/t/iptables-legacy-vs-iptables-nft/99902 heh
2021-05-13 06:04:23 <dngray_> seems it is possible https://gist.github.com/goll/bdd6b43c2023f82d15729e9b0067de60
2021-05-13 06:07:31 <dngray_> hah, that gist was only posted 2 days ago lol
2021-05-13 09:24:34 <dngray_> hmm btw do we know why the matrix bridge isn't working with this room?
2021-05-13 09:25:32 <dngray> or is it working now
2021-05-13 09:25:34 <dngray> oh i think it might actually be working now
2021-05-13 09:26:12 <ikke> 👍
2021-05-13 09:29:02 <dngray> well i fixed my docker issue i was able to prevent it from changing firewall rules
2021-05-13 09:29:12 <dngray> and then i manually made some using nftables and translate
2021-05-13 09:29:27 <dngray> https://discuss.linuxcontainers.org/t/lxd-and-docker-firewall-redux-how-to-deal-with-forward-policy-set-to-drop/9953/9
2021-05-13 09:29:59 <dngray> have a bunch of bridges between containers so i was able to replace "lxdbr0" with an array of interfaces
2021-05-13 09:30:18 <dngray> now if i want more i just add another one to my define at the top
2021-05-13 09:30:41 <dngray> and that's one of the reasons i hate iptables
2021-05-13 09:43:06 <bloony> when I do apk search coreutils I get coreutils-8.32-r0, but when I do apk add coreutils-8.32-r0 I get unable to select package.. no such package.. required by world[coreutils-8.32-r0]
2021-05-13 09:45:51 <lopid> try "apk add coreutils"
2021-05-13 09:45:53 <ikke> bloony: apk add coreutils
2021-05-13 09:46:25 <bloony> aha
2021-05-13 09:46:27 <bloony> thanks
2021-05-13 16:35:10 <thebtm> Good Morning, Just wondering if anybody has successfully forced Alpine linux to make a user change their password over ssh initial login?
2021-05-13 16:38:32 <ikke> thebtm: I gather expiring the the users password does not work?
2021-05-13 16:39:08 <thebtm> correct
2021-05-13 16:39:39 <thebtm> even with apk add shadow installed for the chage and passwd to expire the password. without the package, passwd doesn't have an option to expire.
2021-05-13 16:39:57 <zcrayfish> Are you using the PAM version of SSH?
2021-05-13 16:40:22 <thebtm> most likely not. using Dropbear that comes with Alpine.
2021-05-13 16:40:59 <ikke> dropbear has no / is not built with pam support
2021-05-13 16:41:18 <thebtm> So, would need to get openssh installed then?
2021-05-13 16:41:37 <ikke> openssh-server-pam
2021-05-13 16:42:12 <thebtm> I will give that a try. thank you for your help.
2021-05-13 16:55:49 <minimal> thebtm: have successfully used immediately expiring passwords for my cloud-init images, let me check the combination of settings/commands
2021-05-13 16:56:38 <thebtm> yeah, I just replaced dropbear with openssh and rebooting.
2021-05-13 16:58:50 <minimal> thebtm: I'm using openssh-server-pam and shadow packages, using command "passwd --expire <user>"
2021-05-13 17:00:22 <thebtm> what version of alpine does openssh-server-pam show up in? I am getting openssh-server-pam (missing). The version I am on is 3.5 and I know its old and out of date but that's the version I am working with...
2021-05-13 17:00:42 <minimal> next login results in "You are required to change your password immediately (administrator enforced).
2021-05-13 17:01:06 <kinghat> dngray: yes it looks like the matrix bridge isnt working which is why i came here
2021-05-13 17:01:12 <minimal> thebtm: 3.5?????? wow, how many years old is that. 3.14 is due out in the next day or 2
2021-05-13 17:01:56 <thebtm> I know, I use Alpine 3.13 for something personal but for something at work, currently on 3.5
2021-05-13 17:02:03 <ikke> :-|
2021-05-13 17:02:04 <minimal> thebtm: why are you using such an old version?
2021-05-13 17:02:30 <thebtm> **Shrug**
2021-05-13 17:02:38 <minimal> I assume its right up-to-date with all the security fixes? ;-)
2021-05-13 17:03:14 <thebtm> I have been using RHEL/CentOS for the last 2 decades... I know all about it:P  ><
2021-05-13 17:03:49 <thebtm> XD
2021-05-13 17:03:58 <ikke> last update to 3.5 was december 2018
2021-05-13 17:04:12 <thebtm> legacy stuff...
2021-05-13 17:08:11 <minimal> thebtm: did you try "passwd --expire"? After running it look at the /etc/shadow entry for the user, the 3rd and 5th fields (I think) control this
2021-05-13 17:09:41 <minimal> or you could change those shadow fields manually - 3rd field is date password was last changed, 5th field is max number of days a password is valid, if you set (for example) the 3rd field to the date 7 days ago and set the 5th field to 7 then a password change should be forced
2021-05-13 17:10:00 <ikke> thebtm: 3.7.0 is I think the first release with that package
2021-05-13 17:10:15 <helby> maybe those people who use ssh there are not even alive now so
2021-05-13 17:11:00 <thebtm> Yeah, did all that.
2021-05-13 17:11:27 <minimal> and did it work?
2021-05-13 17:11:55 <thebtm> negative
2021-05-13 17:12:22 <thebtm> I am going to flash the Pi to a newer version of alpine and test.
2021-05-13 17:12:39 <minimal> "login" program should check those values.
2021-05-13 17:12:45 <helby> what a relase 3.5 - switch open-libre ssl
2021-05-13 17:13:15 <thebtm> should and does are not always in alignment.
2021-05-13 17:13:45 <minimal> thebtm: 3.5 is on a RPI? heck why did you not install current release? I thought this was a corporate server running the old version for legacy reasons...
2021-05-13 17:14:41 <minimal> thebtm: also might depend on which package the /bin/login is coming from (e.g. Busybox or Shadow)
2021-05-13 17:15:11 <thebtm> it is a server running on a pi for dedicated applications with the GPIO (I can't really share more than that as far as I know)
2021-05-13 17:16:13 <thebtm> I read something that 44% of RPis sold last year were for industrial applications, so I suspect it will become more common place as time goes by.
2021-05-13 17:16:26 <minimal> ok, but as its an RPI its easy to use a 2nd SDcard for a current version of Alpine as you can always use the old SDcard again if the new version doesn't work
2021-05-13 17:16:26 <dngray> <kinghat "dngray: yes it looks like the ma"> it is for this room, but not for #docker heh.
2021-05-13 17:17:10 <thebtm> the Pi is backed up to an IMG file that can be pushed back onto the card.
2021-05-13 17:17:45 <thebtm> plus the demo system is a "golden" image at the moment.
2021-05-13 17:18:02 <minimal> thebtm: yupe, I install all my RPIs from an image file as well
2021-05-13 17:21:43 <minimal> thebtm: how are you creating the golden image?
2021-05-13 17:25:39 <thebtm> by installing extra stuff beyond the template. it becomes a golden image.
2021-05-13 17:26:07 <thebtm> well, its a term from using docker anyways (from online videos)
2021-05-13 17:26:55 <minimal> thebtm: I meant are you manually installing Alpine on a RPI in order to create a image to later "dd" onto more SDcards?
2021-05-13 17:27:53 <thebtm> Yeah, we start with base alpine, install the required software then export it as an IMG.
2021-05-13 17:28:24 <thebtm> then it gets deployed on other systems from the img.
2021-05-13 17:28:45 <kinghat> dngray: the docker room with 386 ppl in it?
2021-05-13 17:29:27 <minimal> thebtm: you might be interested in a script I'm getting ready to publish to create (amongst other things) base Alpine images for RPIs
2021-05-13 17:30:08 <thebtm> I would very much be interested in said script.
2021-05-13 17:32:11 <minimal> thebtm: I hope to get something up in Github in the next few days. Its a simple shell derived from the Ansible playbook I've been using for the past year or so
2021-05-13 17:34:16 <thebtm> I have lost access to a lot of my automation scripts do to work turn over in recent months but hopefully I am somewhere stable now.
2021-05-13 17:34:44 <thebtm> learned the hard less, make a copy of anything based on open source ^^
2021-05-13 17:34:51 <thebtm> lesson*
2021-05-13 20:19:09 <kinghat> can i userid and groupid be changed?
2021-05-13 20:19:20 <kinghat> after both are created*
2021-05-13 20:21:20 <Hello71> it will invalidate all file and process ownership
2021-05-13 20:24:26 <lopid> sure, just use usermod, but like Hello71 says…
2021-05-13 20:34:05 <kinghat> ya im not sure what the consequences of that will be in the docker image
2021-05-13 20:37:13 <lopid> you can always change their ownership
2021-05-13 20:45:11 <kinghat> they wouldnt change when you make the change the IDs?
2021-05-13 20:46:05 <ikke> no
2021-05-13 20:46:44 <ikke> the files would still be owned by the same UID
2021-05-13 22:11:17 <kinghat> is mkfs not a part of a package?
2021-05-13 22:13:30 <helby> it is
2021-05-13 22:13:42 <helby> dosfstools
2021-05-13 22:15:02 <kinghat> OK: 93 MiB in 56 packages
2021-05-13 22:15:37 <kinghat> https://paste.debian.net/hidden/1d36e65c/
2021-05-13 22:17:45 <helby> well mkfs is util-linux
2021-05-13 22:17:58 <helby> mkfs.vfat was dosfstools
2021-05-13 22:18:13 <helby> have some mix now, bc. building shits
2021-05-13 22:19:21 <helby> so probably it's also busybox
2021-05-13 22:19:29 <kinghat> have some mix now?
2021-05-13 22:19:39 <helby> yes, installed tons of shitty packages
2021-05-13 22:19:45 <kinghat> installing util-linux did it i think
2021-05-13 22:21:44 <helby> or e2fsprogs
2021-05-13 22:21:50 <helby> for ext4
2021-05-13 22:24:07 <kinghat> ya i installed that first
2021-05-13 22:24:21 <kinghat> why would this operation not be permitted while root? https://paste.debian.net/hidden/7b376817/
2021-05-13 22:30:02 <kinghat> im trying to create some mock block devices in a container to test on
2021-05-13 22:39:43 <Hello71> kinghat: try -t ext4
2021-05-13 22:39:51 <Hello71> if that still doesn't work, paste dmesg
2021-05-13 22:43:19 <kinghat> dmesg: read kernel buffer failed: Operation not permitted
2021-05-13 22:48:09 <Hello71> are you not actually root
2021-05-13 22:48:21 <Hello71> you can't mount shit in docker
2021-05-13 22:49:24 <kinghat> ya i used -u 0 for docker exec
2021-05-13 22:50:14 <kinghat> so is that why this wouldnt work either?
2021-05-13 22:50:14 <kinghat> losetup -fP loopbackfile.img
2021-05-13 22:50:14 <kinghat> losetup: loopbackfile.img: No such file or directory
2021-05-13 22:50:32 <kinghat> when it was clearly created
2021-05-13 23:00:48 <thebtm> Just wondering, if there is any good tutorials for making APK packages? something that would help show you how to do it step by step?
2021-05-13 23:02:09 <kinghat> i dont want the loopback devices to be mounted on host. only to reside in the container.
2021-05-13 23:11:45 <Habbie> https://wiki.alpinelinux.org/wiki/Raspberry_Pi - i'm no alpine expert, so I need some help. Is this page still accurate? Will I lose any new data if I reboot or unplug without having run lbu commit?
2021-05-13 23:12:32 <Habbie> ah, now i see Loopback image with overlayfs
2021-05-13 23:13:35 <Habbie> the shorter question is: is there a better (more 'normal') way to run on raspi now?
2021-05-13 23:18:54 <monsieur6> any idea why I can't run brave browser on alpine?
2021-05-13 23:19:19 <monsieur6> running the binary straight up says "not found"
2021-05-13 23:19:35 <monsieur6> but it's there, in my directory..
2021-05-13 23:20:07 <Habbie> 'not found' may mean it can't find some libraries
2021-05-13 23:20:13 <Habbie> try ldd ./brave_browser
2021-05-13 23:20:18 <Habbie> (put in the correct file name)
2021-05-13 23:20:21 <monsieur6> let's see
2021-05-13 23:21:20 <monsieur6> ldd ./brave-browser
2021-05-13 23:21:22 <helby> Habbie: yes, some installed it normally on pi, for example minimal today's said something about his script
2021-05-13 23:21:40 <monsieur6> output was: /lib/ld-musl-x86_64.so.1: ./brave-browser: Not a valid dynamic program
2021-05-13 23:21:58 <Habbie> helby, ah i see it, will read that backlog
2021-05-13 23:22:08 <Habbie> monsieur6, what does 'file brave-browser' say?
2021-05-13 23:22:27 <helby> i think it is even some old link in wiki to some blog about it
2021-05-13 23:22:38 <monsieur6>  /bin/ash: file: not found
2021-05-13 23:22:38 <helby> somewhere between that mess there :/
2021-05-13 23:24:04 <monsieur6> i lowkey just downloaded the brave-browser-1.24.85-linux-amd64.zip from https://github.com/brave/brave-browser/releases/tag/v1.24.85
2021-05-13 23:24:17 <monsieur6> how would i know what is missing that it requires though
2021-05-13 23:37:41 <monsieur6> found whats wrong. thanks for the ldd tip
2021-05-13 23:39:06 <wdtTP2O82Kft> brave is linked against glibc not musl
2021-05-13 23:39:11 <wdtTP2O82Kft> meh.
2021-05-14 00:07:48 <Hello71> kinghat: -u 0 doesn't do shit
2021-05-14 00:07:54 <Hello71> you need to start the container with --privileged
2021-05-14 00:08:20 <Hello71> --cap-add=cap_sys_mount is basically equivalent to --privileged if you don't restrict the list of filesystems
2021-05-14 00:08:53 <Hello71> Habbie: it's as accurate as it ever was
2021-05-14 00:09:31 <Hello71> sys install is still the most "conventional" install method, but remains "some assembly required"
2021-05-14 00:09:39 <Hello71> fortunately, alpine assembly is much easier than other distros
2021-05-14 00:10:03 <Hello71> thebtm: there's the wiki guides, which are... mixed quality
2021-05-14 00:10:54 <outerpassage> how does the docs meta package work?
2021-05-14 00:11:15 <Hello71> outerpassage: APKBUILD install_if
2021-05-14 00:11:50 <Hello71> https://gitlab.alpinelinux.org/alpine/abuild/-/blob/master/abuild.in#L1839
2021-05-14 00:12:10 <outerpassage> ah, thanks!
2021-05-14 00:38:20 <kinghat> Hello71: so if I want to create some mock block devices inside the container they will need to be mounted outside as well?
2021-05-14 00:38:32 <Hello71> or use --privileged, that's what i said
2021-05-14 00:38:59 <Hello71> "mock block devices" sounds dubious
2021-05-14 00:39:05 <Hello71> tmpfs -o size is a thing
2021-05-14 00:52:02 <kinghat> was looking at this: https://fabianlee.org/2020/01/13/linux-mounting-a-loopback-ext4-xfs-filesystem-to-isolate-or-enforce-storage-limits/
2021-05-14 00:52:44 <kinghat> going to be running raid program so if i can mimic actual block device it would be best
2021-05-14 01:01:38 <Hello71> ugh
2021-05-14 01:01:43 <Hello71> also wtf is a "raid program"
2021-05-14 01:09:42 <kinghat> ugh what? lol
2021-05-14 01:10:07 <kinghat> its not even a raid program i just need as close to a block device as possible
2021-05-14 01:58:35 <kinghat> Hello71: https://paste.debian.net/hidden/bb2e8137/
2021-05-14 01:59:18 <kinghat> container is running with --cap-add=SYS_ADMIN
2021-05-14 02:11:51 <eletrotupi> heya!
2021-05-14 02:12:08 <eletrotupi> anyone have success with watching netflix or playing drmed content?
2021-05-14 02:12:48 <eletrotupi> at least on firefox it keeps crashing complaining about widevine plugin
2021-05-14 02:16:54 <kinghat> i should be able to do this: # mount -o loopbackfile.img /data/loop0
2021-05-14 02:16:54 <kinghat> mount: can't find /data/loop0 in /etc/fstab
2021-05-14 02:35:18 <kinghat> added mknod: "--cap-add=SYS_ADMIN", "--cap-add=MKNOD" and now it says i have no space: https://paste.debian.net/hidden/5f115bd2/
2021-05-14 02:51:04 <kelvinf> have any of you had issues with lynx failing to find a start page with no arguments?
2021-05-14 02:51:29 <kelvinf> the issue started when i tried downloading a 9front iso from one of the mirrors listed on 9front.org's releases page
2021-05-14 02:52:59 <kelvinf> i'll just take this to the lynx mailing list
2021-05-14 02:58:56 <Hello71> kinghat: adding all this shit is equivalent to --privileged except more annoying
2021-05-14 02:59:20 <Sheila> kelvinf: let me know if you learn anything, always happy to fix it up, especially if it’s my fault to begin with
2021-05-14 03:15:20 <Guest19> hi i rebooted my alpine machine and came back to almost 150 of my packages being removed
2021-05-14 03:15:52 <Guest19> i don't know how this happened and it still says that i've got the same amount of storage space i had while they were all tehre
2021-05-14 03:17:59 <Guest19> this happened after i tried to run make on a project and it said that it couldn't finish because tmp was full
2021-05-14 03:20:23 <Guest19> i don't understand how almost all of my packages just disappeared and i still have all the storage space as if they were still there
2021-05-14 03:28:00 <Guest19> i'm going to try to do "apk cache download" to see if i can get them back
2021-05-14 03:31:07 <kinghat> Hello71: --privileged seems to work, though im not sure which part of it 🤔
2021-05-14 03:32:26 <kinghat> the loop device is mounted on my host. is it possible to create virtual block devices inside of the container only?
2021-05-14 03:33:04 <Guest19> i am still curious about how i deleted 150 packages though
2021-05-14 03:36:46 <Sheila> Guest19: how are you determining this? (the missing packages, I mean)
2021-05-14 03:36:53 <Guest19> apk info
2021-05-14 03:36:56 <Guest19> and apk stats
2021-05-14 03:37:28 <Guest19> i write to a file every time i install a new package as well (using apk info > file)
2021-05-14 03:37:48 <Guest19> and comparing the lines of that file with the current output the difference is about 150
2021-05-14 03:38:35 <Guest19> *output of apk info
2021-05-14 03:42:47 <Sheila> you should probably also track /etc/apk/world
2021-05-14 03:44:01 <Sheila> neither `apk info` nor `apk stats` will tell you what your actual rules for apk are.
2021-05-14 03:45:05 <Guest19> yeah /etc/apk/world has a lot of the stuff i can't use
2021-05-14 03:45:19 <Guest19> the stuff that was missing from apk info i mean
2021-05-14 03:45:42 <Sheila> does `apk fix` help?
2021-05-14 03:46:15 <Guest19> do i need an internet connection for it to work?
2021-05-14 03:46:24 <Guest19> my alpine machine is an rpi 2
2021-05-14 03:46:40 <Sheila> only if it needs to redownload the `.apk`s
2021-05-14 03:47:36 <Guest19> hm there are some temporary errors with a few packages
2021-05-14 03:50:01 <Guest19> a bunch of them are temporary errors with stuff like freetype, gzip and bz2
2021-05-14 03:50:41 <Guest19> should i run fix again?
2021-05-14 03:51:09 <Sheila> worth a shot
2021-05-14 03:51:18 <Sheila> what do the errors say, exactly?
2021-05-14 03:52:10 <Guest19> temporary error (try again later)
2021-05-14 03:52:24 <Guest19> that's it
2021-05-14 03:52:31 <Sheila> weird.
2021-05-14 03:52:40 <Guest19> maybe i need internet for those idk
2021-05-14 03:55:11 <Sheila> probably, it really depends on whether they're in your local cache or not.
2021-05-14 03:55:43 <Guest19> downloading the cache requires internet
2021-05-14 03:56:00 <Guest19> at least i've gotten some of the packages back
2021-05-14 03:57:09 <Guest19> i think i've used lbu commit -d almost every time i've added a package
2021-05-14 03:57:18 <Guest19> but idk
2021-05-14 03:57:31 <Guest19> nothing like this has every happened to me before
2021-05-14 03:57:37 <Sheila> I think what happened is that the db itself got munged somehow.
2021-05-14 03:58:14 <Guest19> ah yeah has make ever failed bc there isn't enough space in tmp or something
2021-05-14 03:58:44 <Guest19> i got an error like that before is rebooted and ended up in the current situation
2021-05-14 03:59:10 <Sheila> that sounds like memory exhaustion
2021-05-14 04:00:40 <Guest19> was rebooting the right thing to do in that situation?
2021-05-14 04:07:31 <Sheila> uhhhh. I would have looked around for things I didn't need.
2021-05-14 04:07:43 <Guest19> ah
2021-05-14 04:13:09 <Guest19> alright so should i turn to computer off for now
2021-05-14 04:13:37 <Guest19> idk if i'll mess up anything else
2021-05-14 04:14:35 <Guest19> also should i be worried if libseccomp was purged
2021-05-14 04:14:47 <Guest19> i decided to get rid of man-db
2021-05-14 04:18:15 <Guest19> sorry if i'm asking stupid questions i'm really worried and idk what exactly caused the issue
2021-05-14 04:54:54 <dngray> fcolista that can be closed https://gitlab.alpinelinux.org/alpine/aports/-/issues/12107
2021-05-14 05:41:22 <CAPTCHA_REQUIRED> Is it possible to install Alpine Linux when your already booted into gentoo linux
2021-05-14 05:41:34 <CAPTCHA_REQUIRED> I want to install Alpine into a zfs dataset via a chroot
2021-05-14 05:41:51 <CAPTCHA_REQUIRED> Then just reboot into a zfs boot environment
2021-05-14 05:44:14 <Sheila> yes, get `apk.static` from somewhere or use one of the rootfs tarballs.
2021-05-14 05:47:41 <CAPTCHA_REQUIRED> K
2021-05-14 05:50:02 <CAPTCHA_REQUIRED> Can I bring my own kernel?
2021-05-14 05:50:17 <CAPTCHA_REQUIRED> Or is there anything special to Alpine's linux build or configuration
2021-05-14 05:51:09 <ikke> no, you should be able to bring your own kernel
2021-05-14 05:55:27 <CAPTCHA_REQUIRED> Wow, the rootfs is only 2.6MB
2021-05-14 06:57:39 <fcolista> ok dngray thanks
2021-05-14 07:03:20 <CAPTCHA_REQUIRED> How can i install zfs 0.8.4 on alpine 3.13?
2021-05-14 07:03:25 <CAPTCHA_REQUIRED> Does alpine have backports?
2021-05-14 07:03:41 <CAPTCHA_REQUIRED> I need a higher patchlevel
2021-05-14 07:07:59 <GreyXor> Hi everyone, i have jobs stuck in "pending". someone can help ? https://gitlab.alpinelinux.org/GreyXor/aports/-/pipelines/81748
2021-05-14 07:09:43 <Sheila> just means builders are busy, they'll pick them up when they're free.
2021-05-14 07:11:09 <GreyXor> Sheila ok thanks, and do we know when 3.14 will be tagged ? i still have some MR to push
2021-05-14 07:14:21 <Sheila> I haven't heard anything re firm date on 3.14, but they're spinning up the builders for that.
2021-05-14 07:23:30 <CAPTCHA_REQUIRED> GreyXor: 3.14?
2021-05-14 07:23:33 <CAPTCHA_REQUIRED> When?
2021-05-14 07:23:40 <GreyXor> What when ?
2021-05-14 07:24:45 <CAPTCHA_REQUIRED> Your about to publish alpine 3.14?
2021-05-14 07:24:56 <GreyXor> no
2021-05-14 07:25:58 <CAPTCHA_REQUIRED> O
2021-05-14 07:26:59 <PureTryOut[m]2> From what I hear 3.14 will be tagged at least once the ppc64le builder is back, right now it's MIA
2021-05-14 07:28:54 <Sheila> I doubt ppc64le's gonna hold up 3.14 much longer.
2021-05-14 07:48:09 <ikke> PureTryOut[m]2: we have temporary replacements
2021-05-14 07:48:39 <PureTryOut[m]2> Good!
2021-05-14 12:21:11 <pitchzer0> i still have no idea how to update dkms packages in disklessmode... any help would be appriciated.
2021-05-14 13:08:47 <ikke> pitchzer0: alpine does not even have dkms
2021-05-14 13:57:12 <pitchzer0> ikke I am not into kernel stuff. Sorry. I wrongly assumed.
2021-05-14 13:57:12 <pitchzer0> However i am struggling to update kernel packages in modloop dependend setups data/diskless
2021-05-14 13:57:39 <ikke> yes, that's an issue
2021-05-14 13:57:42 <ikke> modloop is read only
2021-05-14 13:58:11 <ikke> So you cannot modify it, you need to replace it
2021-05-14 14:14:16 <pitchzer0> is there a good practice way to do it?
2021-05-14 14:14:40 <pitchzer0> shure i can script is but that wont give me expected behaviour via apk
2021-05-14 14:14:49 <pitchzer0> s/is/it
2021-05-14 14:54:27 <thebtm> Hello71 I know that the wiki is mixed at best, its why I was asking here for maybe another tutorial or something like it. Just to learn how to make an APK install package.
2021-05-14 15:01:37 <adhawkins> thebtm: Probably better asking on #alpine-devel. I used this guide when getting started: https://wiki.alpinelinux.org/wiki/Creating_an_Alpine_package
2021-05-14 15:01:48 <adhawkins> The people on #alpine-devel were *very* helpful.
2021-05-14 15:03:12 <wdtTP2O82Kft> interesting freenode seems to be committing suicide: https://p.haavard.me/407
2021-05-14 15:14:20 <adhawkins> wdtTP2O82Kft: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27153338
2021-05-14 15:21:07 <wdtTP2O82Kft> ah nice more drama, grabs popcorn
2021-05-14 15:27:59 <helby> I have also drama building gtk+3 ;) that crap always complains about something
2021-05-14 15:28:21 <jvoisin> can't wait to get rid of gtk2 everywhere.
2021-05-14 15:30:30 <helby> I had that only on openbsd as they still had it as depend for firefox :/
2021-05-14 15:34:52 <wdtTP2O82Kft> jvoisin: why?
2021-05-14 15:35:51 <wdtTP2O82Kft> i truly hate the scrollbar behaviour in gtk3, whoever came up with that deserves their soul to be feasted on by cthulhu
2021-05-14 15:36:37 <jvoisin> it's deprecated/unmaintained
2021-05-14 15:37:51 <wdtTP2O82Kft> oh. well, so it's like py2, devs move on to maintain stuff that is worse than they had before... old man shouts at clouds
2021-05-14 15:55:23 <Hello71> firefox has gtk2 makedepend on alpine too
2021-05-14 16:01:32 <superduper> I'm trying to run spotifyd and spotify-tui binaries on alpine linux, but some symbols were apparently not found. In this case: __res_init - any ideas?
2021-05-14 16:04:18 <Hello71> install gcompat
2021-05-14 16:04:32 <Hello71> or use a chroot
2021-05-14 16:06:49 <superduper> think I got it installed already. let me try though
2021-05-14 16:09:32 <superduper> doing apk add gcompat says 1 error
2021-05-14 16:12:32 <Sheila> what's the error?
2021-05-14 16:12:55 <superduper> 1 error; x MiB in x packages
2021-05-14 16:13:12 <superduper> the output is lowkey that
2021-05-14 16:13:18 <Sheila> it'll be further up in the output.
2021-05-14 16:13:32 <ikke> apk fix
2021-05-14 16:15:17 <superduper> fixed it
2021-05-14 16:18:22 <superduper> did do apk add gcompat but still saying __res_init: symbol not found
2021-05-14 17:13:05 <yessir> I have managed to get spotify-tui running but I have trouble with the daemon. I am using spotifyd but it throws Caught panic with message: Failed to initialize DBus connection: D-Bus error: /usr/bin/dbus-launch terminated abnormally without any error message (org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.Spawn.ExecFailed)
2021-05-14 17:13:58 <yessir> I do have dbus installed and the service is indeed running
2021-05-14 17:20:08 <outerpassage> is there a file I can read to get the current ESSID for a wireless device? I'm using iwd
2021-05-14 17:20:28 <outerpassage> (writing something where I want to avoid the overhead of forking a new process, so calling iwctl isn't an option)
2021-05-14 17:27:17 <mikebruhhh> seems like everything else but dbus-launch exists in /usr/bin. what do I do?
2021-05-14 17:27:48 <ikke> mikebruhhh: can you elaborate?
2021-05-14 17:29:20 <mikebruhhh> well spotify-tui is a TUI client for spotify. spotifyd is the daemon. I'm trying to get both working on alpine. spotify-tui works just fine, only spotifyd doesn't because one dbus error. I have installed dbus like so: apk add dbus and started the service using rc-service dbus start , also enabled it on startup using rc-update add dbus default , but
2021-05-14 17:29:20 <mikebruhhh> it still throws this error: `Caught panic with message: Failed to initialize DBus connection: D-Bus error: /usr/bin/dbus-launch terminated abnormally without any error message (org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.Spawn.ExecFailed)`
2021-05-14 17:29:51 <exprez135> Do you have dbus-x11 installed?
2021-05-14 17:30:02 <mikebruhhh> only got dbus , not dbus-x11
2021-05-14 17:30:14 <exprez135> I think dbus-launch is provided by dbus-x11
2021-05-14 17:30:22 <mikebruhhh> should not break my current dbus right?
2021-05-14 17:31:10 <exprez135> It shouldn't
2021-05-14 17:31:18 <mikebruhhh> yo thanks dude
2021-05-14 17:31:20 <mikebruhhh> it worked
2021-05-14 17:31:27 <mikebruhhh> got that dbus-launch in /usr/bin now
2021-05-14 17:31:32 <mikebruhhh> :)
2021-05-14 17:31:54 <mikebruhhh> should I enable dbus-x11 on startup as well? or nah
2021-05-14 17:34:46 <exprez135> Perhaps. Not sure if starting x will automatically start it or not
2021-05-14 17:37:06 <telmich> Regarding the conf, will the talks be recorded? I think there might be some people interested in joining / watching later
2021-05-14 17:37:25 <ikke> telmich: yes, should be
2021-05-14 17:42:19 <Cadey> is there an alpine ISO to install edge instead of a stable releas?
2021-05-14 17:43:31 <ikke> apparently not a recent one
2021-05-14 17:44:18 <ikke> you could install the latest stable and change the repos to edge
2021-05-14 17:45:03 <mikebruhhh> yeah its just editing /etc/apk/repositories
2021-05-14 17:45:36 <mikebruhhh> ..and updating/upgrading
2021-05-14 17:46:59 <telmich> btw, there seems to be a regression in the latest -edge kernel, which makes the touchpad stop working
2021-05-14 17:47:19 <telmich> linux-edge-5.12.3-r0 -> no touchpad anymore on x1 nano
2021-05-14 18:01:40 <kinghat> does alpine ash do incremental mkdir syntax?
2021-05-14 18:01:46 <kinghat> like: mkdir -p /mnt/snapraid/{disk00,disk01,disk02,disk03}
2021-05-14 18:02:09 <kinghat> if i do that in the container i just get "{disk00,disk01,disk02,disk03}" as a single dir
2021-05-14 18:02:43 <ikke> no
2021-05-14 18:02:47 <ikke> it does not support brace expansion
2021-05-14 18:08:12 <kinghat> damn
2021-05-14 18:08:33 <ikke> You could install bash or zsh if you want that
2021-05-14 18:09:11 <kinghat> ya i think i will do that
2021-05-14 18:14:49 <Cadey> mikebruhhh: i'm hoping to do it automatically for installing a VM
2021-05-14 18:16:00 <ikke> "OFTC is a competing IRC network run by tomaw who also is staging a hostile takeover of freenode as we speak.
2021-05-14 18:34:39 <kinghat> doing CMD ["/bin/bash"] after i install bash doesnt seem to use bash thereafter 🤔
2021-05-14 18:35:18 <ikke> CMD just sets the default command when you run a container without specifying one
2021-05-14 18:38:48 <telmich> ikke, kinghat what about using dash? Did not check it, but I'd expect that to be faster than bash, but it *could* support brace expansion
2021-05-14 18:38:52 <kinghat> hmm my bash expansion doesnt seem to work after installing bash. do i need to install spawn and change the shell or something?
2021-05-14 18:43:34 <kinghat> https://paste.debian.net/hidden/317c8040/
2021-05-14 18:44:20 <ikke> just installing bash does not change your shell
2021-05-14 18:44:27 <yyp> You can try doing something like this: for disk in disk00 disk01 disk02 disk03; do mkdir -p /mnt/snapraid/$disk; done
2021-05-14 18:45:13 <ikke> kinghat: Dockerfiles seems to hardcode /bin/sh -c
2021-05-14 18:45:22 <ikke> kinghat: https://github.com/moby/moby/issues/7281
2021-05-14 18:46:35 <yyp> Maybe try: SHELL ["/bin/bash", "-c"]
2021-05-14 18:47:30 <ikke> "The SHELL instruction allows the default shell used for the shell form of commands to be overridden."
2021-05-14 18:47:33 <ikke> Seems to be unrelated
2021-05-14 18:47:42 <yyp> Why?
2021-05-14 18:47:57 <ikke> shell form of commands
2021-05-14 18:48:14 <ikke> oh, maybe it is related
2021-05-14 18:48:24 <yyp> "RUN mkdir -p ..." is a shell form of commands
2021-05-14 18:49:37 <kinghat> boom: SHELL ["/bin/bash", "-c"]
2021-05-14 18:50:22 <kinghat> i tried to do it in the RUN command but it was user error on my part. using the SHELL command is better in my case as i dont have to quote everything and i have a lot of commands.
2021-05-14 18:50:58 <kinghat> ikke: i had looked over like 4 or 5 other moby issues already at this point. thanks for the fu 🙏
2021-05-14 18:51:46 <ikke> kinghat: yyp found the actual answer :)
2021-05-14 18:52:37 <kinghat> ya its here: https://github.com/moby/moby/issues/7281#issuecomment-389440503
2021-05-14 18:52:40 <kinghat> thanks yyp
2021-05-14 18:52:57 <yyp> No problem
2021-05-14 18:56:57 <kinghat> i need to bash better
2021-05-14 19:12:47 <mps> https://github.com/facebook/zstd/releases/tag/v1.5.0
2021-05-14 19:13:27 <mps> is it good idea to upgrade it now (freeze) for 3.14
2021-05-14 19:15:01 <mps> hmm, wrong channel
2021-05-14 19:16:53 <kinghat> this is acceptable, isnt it? mount -o loop=/dev/disk00 /loops/disk00.img /mnt/snapraid/disk00
2021-05-14 19:21:23 <kinghat> it fails here: mount: /mnt/snapraid/disk00: failed to setup loop device for /loops/disk00.img.
2021-05-14 19:21:35 <Habbie> kinghat, anything in dmesg?
2021-05-14 19:21:59 <ikke> busybox mount does not always automatically load the necessary modules
2021-05-14 19:23:14 <kinghat> how do i get busybox to respect my authority?
2021-05-14 19:32:06 <kinghat> if im not explicit about the loop name i get: mount: /mnt/snapraid/disk00: mount failed: Operation not permitted.
2021-05-14 19:32:31 <ikke> try to add -t <fstype>
2021-05-14 19:32:42 <kinghat> with this: mount -o loop /loops/disk00.img /mnt/snapraid/disk00
2021-05-14 19:32:44 <kinghat> k one sec
2021-05-14 19:34:31 <kinghat> doing mount -o loop -t ext4 /loops/disk00.img /mnt/snapraid/disk00  i get: mount: /mnt/snapraid/disk00: mount failed: Operation not permitted.
2021-05-14 19:34:41 <kinghat> i am running --privileged
2021-05-14 19:36:00 <ikke> I guess you need to make sure the loop module is loaded on the host
2021-05-14 19:37:04 <kinghat> ya i can manually do it with docker exec
2021-05-14 19:41:44 <kinghat> https://paste.debian.net/hidden/2cef44fd/
2021-05-14 19:44:44 <kinghat> but i cant do a named loop via exec:
2021-05-14 19:44:44 <kinghat> # mount -o loop=/dev/disk00 /loops/disk00.img /mnt/snapraid/disk00
2021-05-14 19:44:44 <kinghat> mount: /mnt/snapraid/disk00: failed to setup loop device for /loops/disk00.img.
2021-05-14 19:45:33 <ikke> what if you install util-linux?
2021-05-14 19:46:38 <kinghat> already am: https://paste.debian.net/hidden/4ba4b3d9/
2021-05-14 19:47:07 <ikke> then I don't know
2021-05-14 19:49:22 <kinghat> np thanks for all the help
2021-05-14 21:23:12 <routrout> day two trying to run brave browser on alpine linux - https://paste.debian.net/plainh/021c2c65 - i have installed a lot of dependencies and now when i straight up ldd the binary i get that output, what do you guys say?
2021-05-14 21:23:41 <Habbie> i think that fits what was said earlier - looks like it expects glibc
2021-05-14 21:24:18 <ikke> /lib64/ld-linux-x86-64.so.2 is glibc, indeed
2021-05-14 21:25:04 <Habbie> well that line did look weird to me
2021-05-14 21:25:07 <Habbie> why is ld-linux glibc?
2021-05-14 21:25:58 <ikke> it just is
2021-05-14 21:26:03 <ikke> https://pkgs.alpinelinux.org/contents?file=ld-linux-x86-64.so*&path=&name=&branch=edge
2021-05-14 21:26:30 <Habbie> aha
2021-05-14 21:26:33 <ikke> This is musl: https://pkgs.alpinelinux.org/contents?file=&path=&name=musl&branch=edge&arch=x86_64
2021-05-14 21:33:39 <routrout> installed each dependency and now only throws these three: https://paste.debian.net/plainh/6f783d16
2021-05-14 21:35:39 <Habbie> routrout, apologies if somebody else already said this - have you considered recompiling brave for lapine?
2021-05-14 21:35:41 <Habbie> alpine
2021-05-14 21:36:10 <routrout> not yet
2021-05-14 21:36:21 <routrout> was just trying to run the already compiled binary
2021-05-14 21:41:29 <routrout> ill give it a shot building it tho
2021-05-14 21:41:40 <routrout> ty for tip
2021-05-14 22:06:27 <outerpassage> what's the mechanism by which `abuild deps` installs the dependencies as a group? (showing up in the apk-world as ".makedepends-*")
2021-05-14 22:08:02 <ikke> apk add -t <virtual-package-name> [deps..]
2021-05-14 22:08:31 <outerpassage> oh, that should have been obvious. sorry!
2021-05-14 22:08:35 <ikke> np
2021-05-14 22:12:18 <helby> how one knows what will be run time dependencies from APKBUILD?
2021-05-14 22:12:51 <helby> never know what shit will install
2021-05-14 22:13:46 <ikke> depends, obviously, + automatic determined libraries
2021-05-14 22:13:50 <outerpassage> just look at the `depends` in the APKBUILD, no?
2021-05-14 22:15:20 <helby> no, most apkbuild don't have it at all
2021-05-14 22:16:40 <helby> from makedepends something stay for run time, something is used just for make
2021-05-14 22:16:52 <helby> so for me it's like make and pray :/
2021-05-14 22:17:08 <helby> usually some 'break' between
2021-05-14 22:17:52 <ikke> apk automatically traces soname dependencies
2021-05-14 22:18:19 <ikke> -dev packages are a good hint
2021-05-14 22:18:19 <helby> soname?
2021-05-14 22:18:21 <helby> oh
2021-05-14 22:18:56 <helby> dev should be for make only I assume?
2021-05-14 22:19:04 <helby> or can be?
2021-05-14 22:19:25 <ikke> it contains the headers and other things necessary for building
2021-05-14 22:19:50 <helby> I know but
2021-05-14 22:20:04 <helby> for example tried gtk+3.0 ... everything is -dev
2021-05-14 22:20:15 <helby> no idea what will be kept for run time
2021-05-14 22:21:53 <ikke> well, take zlib-dev
2021-05-14 22:22:10 <ikke> if a package requires zlib-dev as makedepends, there will also be a runtime dependency
2021-05-14 22:22:16 <ikke> that's how dynamic linking works
2021-05-14 22:22:49 <helby> so if dev is some kind of lib, it will need it yes?
2021-05-14 22:23:17 <helby> but everything is lib :/ or it contains lib
2021-05-14 22:24:09 <ikke> yes, gtk+3.0 has a lot of dependencies
2021-05-14 22:24:39 <helby> tried to disable x11-backend there, but I don't think it disabled it
2021-05-14 22:25:47 <helby> so not sure if I have to remove some libx or whatever as makedepends or it does not work that way
2021-05-14 22:26:17 <helby> so that it does not find it, so disable that feature by itself :/
2021-05-14 22:27:52 <ikke> it depends on the application
2021-05-14 22:28:08 <helby> shit
2021-05-14 22:28:40 <ikke> some automatically detect available libraries and enable features, others you need to explicitly enable / disable them
2021-05-14 22:28:48 <ikke> and some features you cannot even disable
2021-05-14 22:28:56 <helby> yes, that I noticed, not predictable much
2021-05-14 22:29:56 <helby> if I check for example source of that package and there is some kind of option for meson, I assume I can enable/disable these features ....
2021-05-14 22:31:08 <helby> archlinux builds are clear - depends and makedepends
2021-05-14 22:31:19 <helby> even optdepends
2021-05-14 23:08:36 <helby> after Ariadne stopped to feed #freenode, no more drama there :/
2021-05-14 23:17:57 <helby> meson.build:1:0: ERROR: Value no is not boolean (true or false). that's self explaining
2021-05-14 23:18:16 <helby> if I know which value
2021-05-14 23:28:03 <Sheila> helby: I would look at another package that uses meson for build system, or read meson docs
2021-05-14 23:30:04 <helby> Sheila: aaaah, slowly I m giving up :/
2021-05-14 23:30:23 <helby> not much gain for a lot of pain
2021-05-14 23:38:07 <Sheila> it's easier than dealing with autotools, imo
2021-05-14 23:41:03 <COVID-1984> how many here use alpine on bare metal as a host OS?
2021-05-14 23:41:30 <COVID-1984> And are there main recommendations for doing that? Will probably build my own images for host OS install
2021-05-14 23:47:02 <Sheila> did it before, years ago, when Alpine was uClibc-based. I'd do it again, tbh.
2021-05-14 23:47:15 <kurko246> COVID-1984: I currently use Alpine on my USB external HDD drive lol
2021-05-14 23:47:51 <kurko246> Booting it directly
2021-05-14 23:48:04 <helby> I think
2021-05-14 23:48:10 <helby> Alpine is using me
2021-05-14 23:48:30 <routrout> thats hot
2021-05-14 23:48:50 <helby> as example above, enter hit itself :d
2021-05-14 23:49:13 <Ariadne> helby: its true, i should really not be spending my time on this drama, but instead preparing to push buttons for alpineconf
2021-05-14 23:52:23 <Ariadne> helby: to answer your question about meson, booleans take either true/false or on/off, but not yes/no
2021-05-14 23:57:04 <helby> Ariadne: did not know about on/off ;) but sometimes ... ah
2021-05-14 23:57:43 <helby> Ariadne: of course, it's not worth to 'fight' for things which can be easily replaced as freenode
2021-05-14 23:59:04 <helby> shit today is alpineconf, great
2021-05-14 23:59:47 <helby> I bet there is not a word about it on the website
2021-05-15 00:00:49 <helby> oh there is now
2021-05-15 00:04:01 <helby> will there be some kind of disscussion chat from the web or from anywhere?
2021-05-15 00:08:20 <Ariadne> helby: yes, the bigbluebutton has chat built in, and there is #alpine-conf on IRC :)
2021-05-15 00:08:35 <helby> cool, thanks
2021-05-15 00:08:45 <Ariadne> helby: and yes, the likely outcome is that alpine will use OFTC instead
2021-05-15 00:09:42 <Ariadne> the thing is that such a transition is still expensive
2021-05-15 00:09:51 <Ariadne> so we want to make sure we have all the facts.
2021-05-15 00:10:00 <Ariadne> unfortunately, facts have not been terribly forthcoming
2021-05-15 00:10:18 <helby> expensive for alpine? alpine is not corp, just users so
2021-05-15 00:10:37 <Ariadne> expensive in terms of time consumed
2021-05-15 00:10:50 <Ariadne> we have to educate people about the change
2021-05-15 00:10:52 <Ariadne> and so on
2021-05-15 00:13:19 <helby> well, just change topic, mute channel, who will not recognize probably is not real want/need be in
2021-05-15 00:13:41 <Ariadne> true, but there's also infrastructure we want to roll out at the same time with the new IRC
2021-05-15 00:13:50 <Sheila> a lot of clients don't make the topic visible in a useful way
2021-05-15 00:14:04 <Ariadne> namely, we want to offer a bouncer with web push support to alpine users
2021-05-15 00:14:23 <Ariadne> so that they can get "discord" features
2021-05-15 00:14:50 <helby> yes, read about it in freenode
2021-05-15 00:15:03 <Ariadne> there's a few birds we want to kill at the same time basically
2021-05-15 00:15:19 <helby> so it came at good time :/
2021-05-15 00:15:30 <Ariadne> i mean, i guess so
2021-05-15 00:15:52 <Ariadne> improving IRC experience has always been on the backburner (excluding an attempt to offer The Lounge to our users)
2021-05-15 00:16:19 <Ariadne> for better or worse, this situation with freenode has brought that to the forefront
2021-05-15 00:16:28 <Ariadne> because if we're redoing everything, might as well build it right
2021-05-15 00:16:34 <routrout> im on demo.thelounge.chat right now
2021-05-15 00:16:54 <routrout> it looks alright
2021-05-15 00:19:27 <helby> not bad, it runs the way, that all users are joined to like bouncer?
2021-05-15 00:20:08 <Ariadne> yes, the new thing will work like that
2021-05-15 00:23:16 <Ariadne> it should be nice and easy to use and most importantly allow us to win back users from discord
2021-05-15 00:23:49 <routrout> discord is a privacy hell
2021-05-15 00:24:04 <kelvinf> all messages are unencrypted i think
2021-05-15 00:24:06 <eax> @routrout say it ain't so
2021-05-15 00:24:33 <kelvinf> is spyware.neocities.org's article on discord still relevant
2021-05-15 00:25:11 <Ariadne> dunno, we don't recommend discord, or any other non-free software
2021-05-15 00:25:26 <kelvinf> i'd like to eventually get to that point
2021-05-15 00:25:36 <Ariadne> i personally use it
2021-05-15 00:25:41 <Ariadne> in a browser tab
2021-05-15 00:25:43 <Ariadne> :p
2021-05-15 00:25:44 <helby> shame!
2021-05-15 00:25:49 <kelvinf> usually that's what i do now
2021-05-15 00:26:08 <helby> what's there so cool, to use it?
2021-05-15 00:26:15 <kelvinf> i have a lot of irl friends that use it
2021-05-15 00:26:20 <Ariadne> ^
2021-05-15 00:26:22 <kelvinf> :(
2021-05-15 00:26:47 <kelvinf> i guess i could try to get some to switch to matrix
2021-05-15 00:26:58 <Ariadne> i haven't been impressed with dendrite
2021-05-15 00:27:09 <Ariadne> it seems just as slow and clunky as synapse
2021-05-15 00:27:41 <routrout> actually a majority of people prefer to use discord in their browser because the desktop app is basically a browser itself. (built on electron). so its basically the same, you only get a couple of more features added to it, but i dont find any use of them
2021-05-15 00:27:51 <kelvinf> yeah
2021-05-15 00:29:05 <routrout> even when you disable the "use data to improve discord" in your privacy and security settings on discord they still fingerprint your ass fair and square. just take a look at the devtools network tab
2021-05-15 00:34:08 <routrout> and matrix is neat if you want to set up some self-hosted private chat, but i don't think it is perfect. dendrite is written in go, so i suppose you will expect performance, i have not used it yet, still using synapse. regarding the client, element and hydrogen are basically the best options. both made in react, which i also dislike, cant one do
2021-05-15 00:34:08 <routrout> some without react :thinking:
2021-05-15 00:34:34 <kelvinf> ah yeah weechat has a matrix plugin
2021-05-15 00:34:54 <helby> I think whatever I ever tried, nothing was so shitty than matrix/xmpp
2021-05-15 00:34:59 <kelvinf> so you can use matrix and irc on the same client
2021-05-15 00:35:32 <routrout> hey jabber/xmpp is ok when used properly
2021-05-15 00:36:02 <routrout> but again nothing perfect
2021-05-15 00:36:10 <helby> irc is ;)
2021-05-15 00:36:35 <routrout> yeah, irc is simple and to the point. but also lacks a lot of features in my opinion, even though it is the old school choice
2021-05-15 00:36:44 <Sheila> all I'm going to say about Matrix is that I told one of their developers like a decade ago to use Python 3 and they chose to do it all in Python 2.
2021-05-15 00:36:59 <helby> features? one can't miss features today, every fucking package is full of features
2021-05-15 00:37:17 <helby> even irc has useless features
2021-05-15 00:37:41 <routrout> the world is in need of a bloat-free and minimalist communication app/web browser
2021-05-15 00:38:09 <helby> I don't think so, everybody want features
2021-05-15 00:38:25 <routrout> we are living in the 21st century but still nothing has been released that is rock-solid
2021-05-15 00:38:40 <helby> even if u throw one line shell script at somebody, he want to add 10 additional features there
2021-05-15 00:38:53 <routrout> Sheila in my opinion, python is really ehh, but that what you just said, it is just hilarious
2021-05-15 00:38:55 <Sheila> I hate Discord and everything it represents, but aside from the lack of accessibility for low-vision users it's better than IRC.
2021-05-15 00:39:18 <routrout> if they chosen Py2 over Py3, then thats that
2021-05-15 00:39:28 <kelvinf> but that was 10 years ago
2021-05-15 00:39:35 <Sheila> routrout: I mean, synapse was ported to Py3 a few years ago, but.
2021-05-15 00:39:38 <routrout> oh
2021-05-15 00:39:40 <Sheila> it's still a shitshow. :D
2021-05-15 00:39:59 <routrout> i thought you wanted to say that theyre still using Py2
2021-05-15 00:40:30 <Sheila> no, I just bring it up because I feel like it provides an example of what you can expect from the Matrix experience. :)
2021-05-15 00:42:46 <routrout> I must note that element (the main matrix client) very much lacks performance enhancements, and in my opinion discord uses way less resources than element does. so really they never optimized anything, I found out about hydrogen then, which is another client made by them that focuses to be lightweight, but it is barely usable, though quite faster
2021-05-15 00:42:46 <routrout> than element.
2021-05-15 00:43:52 <kelvinf> speaking of clients which irc clients do all of you use?
2021-05-15 00:44:33 <helby> catgirl
2021-05-15 00:45:32 <kelvinf> i use weechat
2021-05-15 00:45:33 <eax> irssi
2021-05-15 00:46:26 <wdtTP2O82Kft> weechat eats less ram than irssi
2021-05-15 00:46:38 <helby> yes, it creates 1000 files in your home :/
2021-05-15 00:46:54 <kelvinf> yeah
2021-05-15 00:46:58 <wdtTP2O82Kft> does it?
2021-05-15 00:47:02 <kelvinf> it does
2021-05-15 00:47:05 <outerpassage> how should I package a library as a *-dev package, when it doesn't have any contents other than dev files? should it have the usual subpackage structure, with an empty parent?
2021-05-15 00:47:07 <wdtTP2O82Kft> like what?
2021-05-15 00:47:16 <kelvinf> a bunch of config files
2021-05-15 00:47:22 <helby> once I tried it, when I saw all these config files I deleted it immediatelly
2021-05-15 00:47:25 <kelvinf> lmao
2021-05-15 00:47:33 <eax> that has not been my experience at all. i did enjoy weechat btw, but for me, it was a matter of familiarity and irssi serves that space for me
2021-05-15 00:47:36 <kelvinf> catgirl looks good
2021-05-15 00:47:42 <Sheila> weechat + glowing-bear
2021-05-15 00:48:00 <kelvinf> TLS-only seems nice
2021-05-15 00:48:02 <Sheila> used quassel for a bit, but ultimately it's not that great.
2021-05-15 00:48:18 <helby> kelvinf: it is minimal, only issue is, if u have shitty internet and get disconnected it will not tell u anything and will not try to reconnect
2021-05-15 00:48:44 <helby> as it was made in bouncer in mind I assume
2021-05-15 00:48:55 <kelvinf> i see
2021-05-15 00:49:31 <helby> but still, simple, usable very light client
2021-05-15 00:50:17 <routrout> for quick use, I use the demo version of thelounge on demo.thelounge.chat , otherwise https://github.com/osa1/tiny
2021-05-15 00:51:58 <routrout> this is also neat https://rcr.io/rirc/ ;)
2021-05-15 00:52:08 <helby> is that tiny in alpine repo?
2021-05-15 00:54:02 <routrout> nope
2021-05-15 00:54:36 <routrout> rirc might be better tho
2021-05-15 04:40:15 <megaladon> What command do I use to check what default character set my Alpine Linux container is using, so I know what character set to change PuTTY to?  I'm getting weird characeters printing when I use PuTTY, so I suspect it could be a character set translation issue.  I tried googling, but none of the commands I found worked.
2021-05-15 04:47:24 <helby> megaladon: 'set' or 'env' will shows u
2021-05-15 05:00:04 <megaladon> I ran 'set' and 'env'.  I did not see any character sets listed in the ouput of either command.
2021-05-15 05:01:29 <helby> do u have /etc/profile.d/somecrap? or /etc/profile
2021-05-15 05:01:49 <helby> there is charset and lang and lc_someshit
2021-05-15 05:01:59 <helby> obviously u can change it
2021-05-15 05:03:26 <helby> by default is hould be utf-8
2021-05-15 05:03:44 <helby> windows crap probably use some cp12shit or isowhatver
2021-05-15 05:04:01 <megaladon> Yes, normally utf-8 is what I see in Alpine containers.  This one is different.  I can't really type commands or change directories until I set PuTTY to the character set it is using.
2021-05-15 05:05:03 <helby> did u try putty to set utf-8?
2021-05-15 05:12:01 <zcrayfish> I think putty defaults to ISO-8859-1 if you don't touch it.
2021-05-15 05:12:12 <helby> u can also 'echo $LANG' or 'echo $CHARSET'
2021-05-15 05:13:29 <kinghat> i didnt notice that my mount of loopback device succeeds on the first mount but fails on any that follow with the same mount line 🤔
2021-05-15 05:14:25 <kinghat> mount -o loop -t ext4 /loops/disk00.img /mnt/snapraid/disk00
2021-05-15 05:14:25 <kinghat> mount -o loop -t ext4 /loops/disk01.img /mnt/snapraid/disk01
2021-05-15 05:14:50 <kinghat> mount: /mnt/snapraid/disk01: failed to setup loop device for /loops/disk01.img.
2021-05-15 06:51:58 <larzen> Folks, I am new to Alpine (on a rpi)... but I am trying to add php7 and no go. Not sure what I am doing wrong?
2021-05-15 06:52:16 <larzen> Seems work wonderfully on my docker, but on the Alpine instance running on pi, it says that the packages are not found.
2021-05-15 06:53:22 <Sheila> do you have the community repo in your `/etc/apk/repositories`?
2021-05-15 06:53:54 <larzen> Ahhh! That must be it!
2021-05-15 06:54:21 <larzen> Thank you =)
2021-05-15 06:54:47 <Sheila> you're welcome. :)
2021-05-15 07:18:25 <CAPTCHA_REQUIRED> How could I install zfs 0.8.4 on alpine stable?
2021-05-15 07:18:39 <CAPTCHA_REQUIRED> Are there backports?
2021-05-15 07:19:17 <Sheila> you can include edge repos (`url @edge` in `/etc/apk/repositories` and then `apk add zfs@edge`
2021-05-15 07:19:53 <CAPTCHA_REQUIRED> How will apk know not to upgrade anything else to edge?
2021-05-15 07:20:24 <Sheila> it will only install what it needs to meet the new rule.
2021-05-15 07:20:47 <CAPTCHA_REQUIRED> And then I remove the edge repository from /etc/repos after?
2021-05-15 07:20:59 <CAPTCHA_REQUIRED> /etc/apk/repositories
2021-05-15 07:21:00 <Sheila> I'd leave it in, but you could.
2021-05-15 07:21:10 <CAPTCHA_REQUIRED> Why would you leave it in?
2021-05-15 07:21:16 <Sheila> updates?
2021-05-15 07:21:51 <CAPTCHA_REQUIRED> So apk is smart enough to know zfs@edge means only zfs, and not mess with the rest of the system
2021-05-15 07:22:11 <CAPTCHA_REQUIRED> Which i want to keep at lateststable
2021-05-15 07:22:41 <Sheila> correct. only zfs and any packages that zfs needs will be pulled from edge. you can preview what it'll do, too, so you can decide if it's acceptable or not.
2021-05-15 07:23:28 <Sheila> alternatively, you could build zfs yourself using the APKBUILD in aports, and install that.
2021-05-15 07:25:34 <CAPTCHA_REQUIRED> Are there any problems that could occur mixing edge and stable packages?
2021-05-15 07:26:46 <Sheila> it really depends on the software in question.
2021-05-15 07:27:15 <CAPTCHA_REQUIRED> Howso?
2021-05-15 07:27:50 <CAPTCHA_REQUIRED> Are the zfs userspace tools ok because they just have low external dependencies or is there more to it?
2021-05-15 07:28:01 <Sheila> basically that, yeah
2021-05-15 07:28:10 <CAPTCHA_REQUIRED> Oh ok
2021-05-15 07:28:32 <CAPTCHA_REQUIRED> Ok thanks
2021-05-15 07:28:44 <Sheila> in general I wouldn't really expect any issues, but I can't guarantee there won't be any. :)
2021-05-15 07:30:33 <helby> money back guarantee within 2 minutes, no question asked
2021-05-15 11:25:45 <la_fleur[m]> Hello alpinists - I'm working on some custom APKBUILDs, and I have gitea+drone setup on my personal server. I would like to setup a drone CI to build my packages and put them in a folder in the server. Is there a standard way/docker image to achieve that ?
2021-05-15 11:26:52 <ikke> la_fleur[m]: alpinelinux/build-base is what we use as a basis for our CI
2021-05-15 11:27:32 <la_fleur[m]> Nice, I'll check that. I was trying with `alpine-drone-ci`, but it looks as if it's tailored for testing builds (auto-generates a signing key, rely on a PR name).
2021-05-15 11:27:47 <la_fleur[m]>  * Nice, I'll check that. I was trying with `alpinelinux/alpine-drone-ci`, but it looks as if it's tailored for testing builds (auto-generates a signing key, rely on a PR name).
2021-05-15 11:28:20 <ikke> la_fleur[m]: build-base does not do anything automatically
2021-05-15 11:28:37 <ikke> it just contains the necessary packages, and runs as a non-root user by default (buildozer)
2021-05-15 11:29:32 <la_fleur[m]> What is the singing key strategy in there ? [none I suppose ?]
2021-05-15 11:29:46 <ikke> you can run abuild-keygen -ain
2021-05-15 11:29:52 <ikke> then it will generate one on the fly
2021-05-15 11:30:05 <ikke> in our CI, we generate it before each build job
2021-05-15 11:34:42 <la_fleur[m]> But then the generated package each have a different signature. What is the process to generate the definitive packages then ?
2021-05-15 11:34:54 <la_fleur[m]>  * But then the generated packages each have a different signature. What is the process to generate the definitive packages then ?
2021-05-15 11:35:37 <ikke> In that case you need to have a way to persist the key
2021-05-15 11:35:40 <ikke> and reuse it
2021-05-15 11:38:27 <la_fleur[m]> OK. What is the alpine CI strategy - do you have a bind volume setup in the drone runner or in the .drone.yml definition ?
2021-05-15 11:38:38 <ikke> For alpine CI, we don't use persistent keys
2021-05-15 11:39:21 <la_fleur[m]> Does that mean it's not the alpine CI that generates the packages that I install in my alpine system ?
2021-05-15 11:40:47 <Sheila> each supported release has its own set of builders which do that
2021-05-15 11:41:23 <Sheila> for apk fission I'm using apkfoundry, but for now that only has integration with gitlab-runner, afaik.
2021-05-15 11:41:37 <ikke> la_fleur[m]: yes, we have differnet builders for that
2021-05-15 12:26:34 <COVID-1984> I wish alpine had reproducible builds
2021-05-15 12:27:01 <Apachez> it should be as long as you use the same compiler and libraries ;)
2021-05-15 12:27:10 <COVID-1984> https://lists.alpinelinux.org/~alpine/devel/%3CCAJDAfTCpbH1OxjJsQ95TcU4VSSDxzAeXKNDLZRJdetRGfmeNog%40mail.gmail.com%3E#%3C20160223105939.33421716@ncopa-desktop.alpinelinux.org%3E
2021-05-15 12:27:13 <ikke> COVID-1984: We are working towards that
2021-05-15 12:27:14 <COVID-1984> ^seems like they're talking about it
2021-05-15 12:27:20 <COVID-1984> ikke: oh sweet... you're an alpine dev?
2021-05-15 12:27:21 <ikke> there was one change we had to roll back because it broke apk
2021-05-15 12:27:52 <ikke> yes, but I don't mainly work on abuild
2021-05-15 12:28:24 <COVID-1984> cool... I'm looking into alpine as a host OS / bare metal server OS
2021-05-15 12:28:45 <ikke> but it's something we want to implement, yes
2021-05-15 12:28:47 <COVID-1984> A main goal being reducing the amount of upgrades / reboots required
2021-05-15 12:29:00 <COVID-1984> seems like alpine LTS might be the choice
2021-05-15 12:30:21 <COVID-1984> ikke: what's the preferred way to request pkgs?
2021-05-15 12:30:45 <ikke> an issue in gitlab.alpinelinux.org/alpine/aports
2021-05-15 12:31:02 <COVID-1984> thanks
2021-05-15 12:31:09 <COVID-1984> many using encrypted rootfs on alpine?
2021-05-15 12:45:03 <COVID-1984> Curious to hear from peopel running alpine in production as a host OS
2021-05-15 12:46:22 <Sheila> I've done it on Adélie, but I can't imagine it being all that much different from Alpine (barring differences like dracut vs mkinitfs).
2021-05-15 12:47:49 <COVID-1984> Sheila: dracut in alpine, right?
2021-05-15 12:48:22 <COVID-1984> Cool, I just create an issue to get one of the packages that allows for remote unlocking (encrypted rootfs) via ssh on alpine
2021-05-15 12:49:06 <Sheila> dracut's not in alpine; you'd use mkinitfs.
2021-05-15 12:49:31 <COVID-1984> Sheila: oh... zfs-dracut is so I assumed dracut was also
2021-05-15 12:50:24 <Sheila> that's a plugin for dracut so that you can use it with zfs. I'm not sure why it's even packaged at the moment.
2021-05-15 12:57:43 <COVID-1984> Ya was wondering how tested ZFS as a rootfs is on alpine
2021-05-15 13:01:16 <Cogitri> I've been using ZFS as root w/ native encryption for some time
2021-05-15 13:01:18 <Sheila> that part I couldn't say; I packaged it experimentally for Adélie last year for a friend of mine, who hasn't reported any issues with it.
2021-05-15 13:02:09 <COVID-1984> Cogitri: https://gitlab.alpinelinux.org/alpine/aports/-/issues/12676 thoughts on this?
2021-05-15 13:12:30 <Apachez> remote unlock of root is generally a bad thing
2021-05-15 13:12:42 <Apachez> what about addon with KVMoIPoVPN ?
2021-05-15 13:12:52 <Apachez> this way you can reach the bios too
2021-05-15 13:13:42 <Sheila> remote unlock of root is a bad thing when it's not securable. ssh has managed pretty well, imo.
2021-05-15 13:16:01 <Apachez> you havent seen matrix 1 I supose? ;)
2021-05-15 13:16:24 <Apachez> err matrix 2
2021-05-15 13:16:27 <COVID-1984> Apachez: would like more info about that... especially if you have signed boot partition images...
2021-05-15 13:16:52 <Apachez> https://nmap.org/movies/matrix/trinity-nmapscreen-hd-crop-1200x728.jpg
2021-05-15 13:17:43 <Apachez> https://nmap.org/movies/
2021-05-15 13:18:27 <Sheila> hollywood rarely matches reality, particularly with tech.
2021-05-15 13:19:59 <Apachez> at time of recording the 0day was not released in public
2021-05-15 13:21:49 <Sheila> and? it's now 20 years old, things do change.
2021-05-15 13:30:27 <Apachez> still a bad thing no matter the age
2021-05-15 13:38:01 <la_fleur[m]> another question on build CI - how would I build for a different architecture ?
2021-05-15 13:40:32 <Sheila> qemu or have a drone on another arch. qemu is tricky since some archs don't correctly mask instructions (I think this mostly only affects x86 TCG though)
2021-05-15 13:44:58 <la_fleur[m]> And where does qemu get involved in the process ? Do I install it inside the `alpinelinux/build-base` docker image ? Or is there a way to set it up in docker ?
2021-05-15 13:45:53 <la_fleur[m]> (What is TCG by the way ?)
2021-05-15 13:48:25 <Sheila> you'd use qemu to run a VM, and TCG is the arch emulator stuff.
2021-05-15 13:51:27 <dngray> @COVID-1984
2021-05-15 13:51:27 <dngray> > host OS / bare metal server OS
2021-05-15 13:51:28 <dngray> > A main goal being reducing the amount of upgrades / reboots required
2021-05-15 13:51:33 <dngray> i use alpinelinux for this purpose
2021-05-15 13:52:03 <dngray> i use it on my router, diskless mode, and i use it on my server, which i mount a zpool and run LXD off that.
2021-05-15 13:52:14 <dngray> though just recently started moving some of those things over to docker
2021-05-15 13:54:04 <dngray> i wonder if anyone knows the answer to https://lists.alpinelinux.org/~alpine/users/%3C20210515133248.txheslwbqlzxzecn%40disroot.org%3E
2021-05-15 13:55:35 <la_fleur[m]> Sheila: OK ! So if I get it correctly, I can run e.g. a [qemu-docker](https://github.com/joshkunz/qemu-docker) image to run a drone-runner that would look like an x86_64 machine yet still be able to connect to my drone-server. Please correct me if this seems wrong
2021-05-15 13:56:49 <Sheila> if you're looking to have it build for x86_64, yes.
2021-05-15 14:01:02 <Cadey> how do i create my own iso?
2021-05-15 14:01:56 <ikke> Cadey: https://gitlab.alpinelinux.org/alpine/aports/-/tree/master/scripts
2021-05-15 14:03:33 <dngray> i think the only way to update the iptables* binaries to point to iptables-nft* would be to split the packages
2021-05-15 14:03:37 <dngray> ie have "iptables" package and maybe "iptables-legacy"
2021-05-15 14:06:10 <ismaell> hi
2021-05-15 14:06:22 <ismaell> I've been having this issue since a couple of releases ago: https://bpa.st/WVBQ
2021-05-15 14:07:32 <dngray> sounds like something needs recompiling
2021-05-15 14:07:54 <dngray> like this plugin needs recompiling against a new version of libc?
2021-05-15 14:08:11 <Habbie> or against newer dovecot headers?
2021-05-15 14:11:43 <ismaell> Habbie, dngray: that's the official package, so it's broken, and I would bet a linking issue
2021-05-15 14:11:47 <ismaell> https://bpa.st/3AUQ
2021-05-15 14:14:49 <ismaell> the missig symbols are on libdovecot-lda, which is missig from the dyn section
2021-05-15 14:14:58 <ismaell> https://bpa.st/UQ4Q
2021-05-15 14:16:21 <ismaell> ncopa: https://bpa.st/UQ4Q
2021-05-15 14:58:49 <lopid> is there an official process for managing .apk-new files, or must we deal with them manually?
2021-05-15 15:01:09 <ikke> update-conf
2021-05-15 15:01:32 <lopid> thanks
2021-05-15 15:32:20 <SolidRhino> I try to install Alpine linux on VMware fusion 12.1.1 and I get the following error when I boot from the ISO: "Attempted to kill init!"
2021-05-15 15:33:08 <lopid> which iso?
2021-05-15 15:49:56 <GreyXor> someone can accept this ? https://gitlab.alpinelinux.org/alpine/aports/-/merge_requests/21393
2021-05-15 15:51:37 <ikke> there is a conflict
2021-05-15 15:52:08 <ikke> Could you rebase it?
2021-05-15 15:56:09 <GreyXor> i can't see the conflict, i will investigate thanks
2021-05-15 15:56:24 <ikke> Not sure if it's a conflict
2021-05-15 16:01:56 <naike0> some sites on firefox cant play videos and say This video file cannot be played.(Error Code: 102630) - anything im missing installed or enabled?
2021-05-15 16:02:16 <naike0> youtube plays just fine tho so idk whats up
2021-05-15 16:02:34 <GreyXor> can you send me the link of video ?
2021-05-15 16:05:15 <GreyXor> ikke idk what is the problem i don't see any conflict
2021-05-15 16:05:35 <GreyXor> actually file i changed in my MR isn't touched since 1 month in aports/master
2021-05-15 16:06:00 <naike0> it is a subscription based streaming site i am using. just trying to play some videos but it does not let me. youtube on the other hand plays just fine like said before.
2021-05-15 16:06:15 <ikke> GreyXor: could you rebase it on the latest master and force push it?
2021-05-15 16:07:36 <naike0> using firefox-esr btw. so idk
2021-05-15 16:08:09 <GreyXor> naike0 link of video please
2021-05-15 16:14:42 <GreyXor> i'm not sure what happens on this branch
2021-05-15 16:20:04 <ikke> Oh, I see
2021-05-15 16:20:17 <ikke> You are using master as branch
2021-05-15 16:20:24 <ikke> which is protected by default
2021-05-15 16:22:06 <GreyXor> ok i will MR from a new branch
2021-05-15 16:29:49 <GreyXor> ikke my new MR, sorry for branching from my master. https://gitlab.alpinelinux.org/alpine/aports/-/merge_requests/21455 :)  thanks. we could close/delete the other MR
2021-05-15 16:30:44 <ikke> GreyXor: thanks, will be merged now
2021-05-15 16:38:54 <lopid> why is update-extlinux replacing "ext4" with "ext3" in my /boot/extlinux.conf?
2021-05-15 16:39:38 <lopid> oh, is ee
2021-05-15 16:42:50 <lopid> no, that didn't fix it. i had installed alpine with lvm-sys. it was ok. did an upgrade. now at the start of boot it gives me "mounting /dev/vg0/lv_root on /sysroot: failed no such file or directory" and puts me at a little shell prompt. i can see that, here, there are no volume groups in /dev. i have already booted from a rescue disk, mounted, chrooted, and done "apk fix linux-virthardened",
2021-05-15 16:42:51 <lopid> to no avail. what can i do?
2021-05-15 16:43:36 <ikke> What is the contents of /etc/update-extlinux.conf?
2021-05-15 16:47:44 <lopid> booting from rescue again… i thought i had accidentally left "ext3" in there on the kernel parameters instead of "ext4" after it upgraded, but i tried both ext3 and ext4 and get the same problem. it currently has ext4 in there right now. not sure how to show the whole file without doing a few screenshots
2021-05-15 16:50:38 <lopid> https://imgur.com/HT57RCY.png
2021-05-15 16:55:09 <lopid> looks like the only difference between it and the version before the update is "default" went from "grsec" to "hardened" (i went from 3.4 to 3.7)
2021-05-15 17:01:04 <lopid> "lvm" is missing from /etc/mkinitfs/mkinitfs.conf. i wonder if that's it. trying that…
2021-05-15 17:01:37 <lopid> no
2021-05-15 17:06:54 <ikke> when you're in the rescue shell, can you verify what devices are there?
2021-05-15 17:07:03 <ikke> does /dev/vg0/lv_root exist?
2021-05-15 17:07:13 <lopid> i can, and it is. i've chrooted to it even
2021-05-15 17:07:20 <ikke> hmm
2021-05-15 17:08:11 <lopid> extlinux.conf looks as it should, compared to the one from a previous working snapshot
2021-05-15 17:10:23 <lopid> (that is, when i'm in the rescue disk's shell)
2021-05-15 17:12:21 <lopid> is "apk fix linux-virthardened" enough to redo all the boot stuff, or is there more i should try? i've tried "update-linux" and "apk fix mkinitfs" separately, but it looks like "apk fix linux-virthardened" does those anyway
2021-05-15 17:13:05 <lopid> er, "update-extlinux", that is
2021-05-15 17:20:58 <lopid> oh wow, it is fixed! i was able to use the rescue disk to boot directly from the vg, rather than chrooting into it. from there i did "apk fix linux-virthardened", rebooted, and got in as normal. something about doing the fix in a chrooted env must have not been good enough, despite me bind mounting /dev/{dev,proc,sys}
2021-05-15 17:21:51 <lopid> (i also had alpine's /boot mounted)
2021-05-15 17:22:32 <ikke> hmm, ok, strange
2021-05-15 17:22:35 <ikke> I did that often enough
2021-05-15 17:38:21 <wej> i've created a merge request to update the community/domoticz package to the latest version and the merge request pipeline for s390x fails. for some reason the compiler process seems to get killed. is it running out of memory? https://gitlab.alpinelinux.org/alpine/aports/-/merge_requests/21208
2021-05-15 17:38:28 <wej> could someone take a look maybe?
2021-05-15 17:38:48 <wej> all other targets build fine
2021-05-15 17:49:48 <Hello71> wej: #alpine-devel is more appropriate
2021-05-15 17:50:27 <wej> Hello71: thanks, i'll ask over there
2021-05-15 18:13:40 <Solid_Rhino> I try to install Alpine Linux on VMware Fusion but when I start to boot from the ISO image I get the following error: Attempted to kill init!
2021-05-15 18:14:08 <lopid> which iso?
2021-05-15 18:15:11 <Solid_Rhino> The Alpine virt 3.5.2 x86_64
2021-05-15 18:15:29 <ikke> why so old?
2021-05-15 18:15:43 <ikke> Any case, does it mention anything before?
2021-05-15 18:16:50 <Hello71> at a guess, you gave too little ram
2021-05-15 18:17:56 <Solid_Rhino> 3.13.5 gives the same error. And I gave 4 GB ram
2021-05-15 18:18:57 <Hello71> also why vmware
2021-05-15 18:20:46 <Apachez> Solid_Rhino: why so old release?  https://alpinelinux.org/downloads/
2021-05-15 18:21:02 <Apachez> 3.5 is like 5 years old
2021-05-15 18:21:10 <Hello71> 18:15 <@ikke> why so old?
2021-05-15 18:22:02 <Solid_Rhino> Because I want to try Alpine Linux before installing it on actual hardware. And I tried it on Parallel desktop but the parallels tools don't want to install.
2021-05-15 18:22:20 <Hello71> qemu is much better
2021-05-15 18:22:33 <Apachez> Solid_Rhino: download 3.13.5
2021-05-15 18:22:41 <Apachez> Solid_Rhino: from: https://alpinelinux.org/downloads/
2021-05-15 18:22:49 <Hello71> harder to use, but if you can't get qemu working then you won't like alpine either
2021-05-15 18:22:50 <Apachez> make sure to use the correct cpuarch
2021-05-15 18:23:07 <Hello71> if you use wrong arch you won't even get to init
2021-05-15 18:23:20 <ikke> Solid_Rhino: What is mentioned before that error?
2021-05-15 18:23:26 <Apachez> well init got killed so :P
2021-05-15 18:23:37 <Solid_Rhino> I have 3.13.5 had the wrong ISO in the drive :-).
2021-05-15 18:24:18 <Solid_Rhino> ikke a whole call trace.
2021-05-15 18:24:33 <Apachez> so its killed with 3.13.5 too?
2021-05-15 18:24:38 <Apachez> x86?
2021-05-15 18:25:16 <Solid_Rhino> Yes. 3.13.5 is also killed. And it is x86_64
2021-05-15 18:26:35 <Apachez> and the host is running what?
2021-05-15 18:26:38 <Apachez> linux, windows?
2021-05-15 18:26:40 <Apachez> which cpu?
2021-05-15 18:26:50 <Apachez> sure you said vmware fusion but isnt that an app?
2021-05-15 18:27:54 <Solid_Rhino> Yes. I'm running on Mac OS 11.3.1
2021-05-15 18:39:26 <Apachez> x86 cpu or the Apple M1 ?
2021-05-15 18:43:21 <Solid_Rhino> x86 (intel)
2021-05-15 18:59:10 <telmich> Is there an easy way to query whether there is a repository that contains linux-{something-probably-edge}-5.11.x? I'm asking because 5.12 does not support my touchpad anymore and 5.10 does not support audio - so I'd like to go back to 5.11.last-available
2021-05-15 19:00:02 <ikke> no, not atm, the package dbs we have as split over versions
2021-05-15 19:00:43 <ikke> We do not have 5.11
2021-05-15 19:01:11 <ikke> linux-edge might have been 5.11 at some point
2021-05-15 19:01:41 <telmich> Yep, that one I'm looking for :-)
2021-05-15 19:02:03 <Hello71> Solid_Rhino: why don't you use qemu instead
2021-05-15 19:02:10 <telmich> We don't cache packages by default, so going through another box that still runs 5.11 is probably not feasible either... hmm
2021-05-15 19:02:31 <Hello71> you can build it yourself
2021-05-15 19:03:13 <Solid_Rhino> Hello71 Is there a good Tutorial for it? Or is there a gui?
2021-05-15 19:03:31 <Hello71> https://mac.getutm.app/
2021-05-15 19:04:47 <Hello71> now that we have utm there's no reason to use anything but qemu if on macos
2021-05-15 19:05:01 <Apachez> Solid_Rhino: regarding your issue, what about you install virtualbox on your mac and try to run the same x86-64 virt image of 3.13.5 ?
2021-05-15 19:05:14 <Hello71> virtualbox sucks even more than vmware
2021-05-15 19:05:20 <Apachez> Solid_Rhino: thinking if its an issue with your os/hw or the vm itself
2021-05-15 19:05:26 <job79> naike0: install the package ffmpeg-libs
2021-05-15 19:05:29 <Apachez> Hello71: not from what I have seen for the past years
2021-05-15 19:07:18 <Solid_Rhino> I try that one. Thank you :-). Hello71 Is there an easy way to enable GPU on UTM? Apachez I have tried virtual box, I try it again.
2021-05-15 19:26:23 <Hello71> there's no such thing as "enable GPU"
2021-05-15 20:59:16 <lopid> damn. another upgrade and that problem is back
2021-05-15 21:19:14 <lopid> for tomorrow :)
2021-05-15 22:14:06 <anjan> Hello71: cool project! I was expecting it to be proprietary. qemu is indeed amazing. I hope someone makes something like that for linux!
2021-05-15 22:14:23 <Hello71> virt-manager... kind of.
2021-05-15 22:15:01 <anjan> Hello71: ya, I use virt-manager. It's not as fully featured as editing the config.
2021-05-15 22:15:17 <anjan> (then again, nothing prolly ever will be since qemu is amazing)
2021-05-15 22:16:45 <anjan> I meant it has alot of options
2021-05-16 08:39:55 <Solid_Rhino> If I start the Alpine-standard-3.13.5-x86_64.iso in VMware Fusion I get the following error on boot: "Mounting boot media failed"
2021-05-16 09:35:04 <Newbyte> Is there a list of links to the talks for watching later?
2021-05-16 09:50:54 <helby> Newbyte: I don't think so, u can find something on utube with search 'alpineconf'
2021-05-16 09:51:35 <helby> some live, which were not prerecorded are in recorded stream on alpine conf web
2021-05-16 09:52:05 <ikke> We will publish it later
2021-05-16 09:53:03 <helby> $5 each
2021-05-16 10:31:39 <Solid_Rhino> If I start the Alpine-standard-3.13.5-x86_64.iso in VMware Fusion I get the following error on boot: "Mounting boot media failed"
2021-05-16 10:31:51 <lopid> only for that iso?
2021-05-16 10:33:41 <Solid_Rhino> The extended and gives the same error and the virt gives a kernel pannic.
2021-05-16 10:34:12 <lopid> do non-alpine isos work?
2021-05-16 10:35:14 <Solid_Rhino> Yes. Ubuntu or Manjaro just working fine
2021-05-16 10:35:59 <lopid> did you check the alpine isos' checksums after downloading them?
2021-05-16 10:36:52 <Solid_Rhino>  No. I try that now.
2021-05-16 10:37:39 <Solid_Rhino> But parallel desktop just boots fine.
2021-05-16 10:48:50 <Solid_Rhino> The alpine ISO is correct download.
2021-05-16 10:49:34 <lopid> a workaround could be to boot it from a rescue disk
2021-05-16 10:49:38 <lopid> image
2021-05-16 10:49:46 <lopid> trying not to say disk any more
2021-05-16 10:50:44 <Solid_Rhino> Must I create a chroot then?
2021-05-16 10:51:02 <lopid> not necessarily. i'll test the process here…
2021-05-16 10:53:32 <Solid_Rhino> Oke, thank you. Can you tell me how to boot the CD from a live linux system?
2021-05-16 10:59:15 <lopid> can't do it. i'd try the chroot method instead
2021-05-16 11:03:54 <lopid> or try using or not uefi to boot it
2021-05-16 11:04:38 <Solid_Rhino> I don't use uefi but the bios option.
2021-05-16 11:04:52 <lopid> worth a try
2021-05-16 11:05:40 <Solid_Rhino> The same error
2021-05-16 11:21:17 <Solid_Rhino> lopid is it working?
2021-05-16 11:22:13 <lopid> can't do it. i'd try the chroot method, but i don't see anything to chroot to on the alpine image. i am out of ideas for now
2021-05-16 11:23:04 <Apachez> Solid_Rhino: still having issues with vmware fusion?
2021-05-16 11:23:07 <Apachez> is it latest version?
2021-05-16 11:23:11 <Solid_Rhino> Oke, thank you for your help
2021-05-16 11:23:21 <Apachez> do you got some other box you can install the same version of fusion on ?
2021-05-16 11:23:52 <Apachez> if parallells and virtualbox on the same vm host works but not vmware fusion then I think something is borked with that fusion installation
2021-05-16 11:23:55 <Apachez> or that fusion version
2021-05-16 11:24:03 <Apachez> or the settings for that fusion profile
2021-05-16 11:24:41 <Apachez> mounting boot media failed sounds more like some southbridge driver breakdown or such
2021-05-16 11:24:54 <Apachez> like how is the virtual cd reader attached in your fusion?
2021-05-16 11:24:59 <Apachez> ICH9 or PIIX3 ?
2021-05-16 11:25:05 <Apachez> or through scsi ?
2021-05-16 11:25:12 <Solid_Rhino> Yes, I have the lasted version. No I have one MacBook Pro and a Raspberry Pi. but the pi is a server so can not install another OS on it.
2021-05-16 11:26:00 <Hello71> or more likely, missing disk driver
2021-05-16 11:27:55 <Solid_Rhino> IDE and I have tried all the other options but nothing working.
2021-05-16 11:28:50 <Apachez> there are a few hits on google on this topic
2021-05-16 11:28:53 <Apachez> but I dunno abotu solution
2021-05-16 11:29:36 <Solid_Rhino> Google gives something about USB booting.
2021-05-16 11:37:02 <Solid_Rhino> I tried VirtualBox, Parallel Desktop and UTM (QEMU). Parallel desktop and UTM is working fine. Only thing not working on Parallel and UTM is GPU acceleration I like to use that to use the KDE desktop.
2021-05-16 11:40:52 <Apachez> what about virtulabox?
2021-05-16 11:41:00 <Apachez> what didnt work there?
2021-05-16 11:41:18 <Apachez> but as you said other iso's works so its not major malfunction
2021-05-16 11:41:29 <Apachez> its "just" a malfunction between vmware and alpine on your macosx box
2021-05-16 12:04:19 <Solid_Rhino> VirtualBox is only hanging with the virt ISO, the standard ISO is normaly booting :-)
2021-05-16 13:36:58 <bubblegum> hi, has somebody working howto with alpine linux raspberry pi cluster?
2021-05-16 15:48:23 <lopid> typo in /etc/conf.d/loadkmap: "Absolut"
2021-05-16 16:35:43 <lopid> in setting up nextcloud, i am getting a fastcgi permission denied error for nextcloud's config file. apparently this is because some php modules have been hardened, but the only way around this appears to be some systemd setting for php-fpm (https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Nextcloud#php-fpm). any idea what alpine's solution might be?
2021-05-16 17:02:34 <Cogitri> lopid: But the config file _is_ read & writeable for the user that php-fpm runs as, right?
2021-05-16 17:05:59 <lopid> the process? no. the socket? yes
2021-05-16 17:06:35 <lopid> oh. changing that fixed it. thanks!
2021-05-16 17:22:26 <larzen> Anyone around?
2021-05-16 17:23:05 <larzen> I am using alpine on a raspberry pi 4 ... works great. What a win. I am truing to figure out how to persist an init.d script
2021-05-16 17:24:11 <larzen> lbu include. Duh. got it.
2021-05-16 18:22:08 <telmich> In case anyone else is fiddling around with k8s on alpine, there seems to be a bug atm: https://github.com/kubernetes/kubelet/issues/27
2021-05-16 18:23:58 <ikke> oh fun, a systemd dependency?
2021-05-16 18:30:54 <yyp> Hmm, it shouldn't require systemd if cgroupManagerType is correctly set (probably an internal thing): https://github.com/kubernetes/kubernetes/blob/master/pkg/kubelet/cm/cgroup_manager_linux.go#L146
2021-05-16 18:39:58 <yyp> telmich: I think you need to set `CgroupDriver: cgroupfs` in the configuration
2021-05-16 18:40:23 <yyp> That's probably at /var/lib/kubelet/config.yaml
2021-05-16 18:50:13 <telmich> checking right now, yyp
2021-05-16 18:52:32 <telmich> ack, can confirm, that gets rid of one of the panic messages
2021-05-16 18:53:08 <yyp> There is one more panic?
2021-05-16 18:55:00 <yyp> Can you dump the message to a pastebin?
2021-05-16 18:55:29 <telmich> E0516 21:21:30.657297    5980 runtime.go:78] Observed a panic: "invalid memory address or nil pointer dereference" (runtime error: invalid memory address or nil pointer dereference)
2021-05-16 18:55:53 <telmich> sure, I can upload the whole log
2021-05-16 18:56:27 <telmich> https://www.nico.schottelius.org/temp/kubelet.log-2
2021-05-16 18:58:30 <yyp> What kubernetes commit are you on? Latest aports?
2021-05-16 18:58:47 <telmich> Latest aports, on edge
2021-05-16 18:59:32 <yyp> 
ACTION patiently waits for git clone of aports

2021-05-16 18:59:51 <ikke> --depth=1
2021-05-16 18:59:58 <telmich> It's not as bad as the linux kernel (yet :-)
2021-05-16 19:00:33 <ikke> heh
2021-05-16 19:00:50 <telmich> Heeee :-)
2021-05-16 19:02:32 <telmich> So what I am trying to do is: `kubeadm init --skip-phases=addon/kube-proxy --service-cidr 2a0a:e5c0:13:aaa::/108 --pod-network-cidr 2a0a:e5c0:13:bbb::/64`
2021-05-16 19:02:52 <telmich> And it seems the images are pulled into cri-o, but no pod is ever started. I first assumed due to the first panic
2021-05-16 19:03:40 <yyp> It will probably stop them from starting when a panic occurs, in any place
2021-05-16 19:05:28 <telmich> Now in a second try (different server, same netbooted) the init process finished... grr.. I strongly disliked non-reproducible behaviour
2021-05-16 19:06:56 <ikke> That's anoying
2021-05-16 19:12:26 <yyp> The second panic is so werid, it shouldn't happen in the first place, none of the callers give nil to setCPUCgroupConfig
2021-05-16 19:13:42 <telmich> If it helps you, I can give you access to the server it happens on
2021-05-16 19:18:09 <yyp> I have no idea why m is nil, can you add this patch for some printf debugging: https://paste.sr.ht/~yerinalexey/3f11077cadf7a9d336c1842c08962eb0d62708cc
2021-05-16 19:19:46 <yyp> oops, the patch is wrong
2021-05-16 19:20:13 <yyp> fixed version: https://paste.sr.ht/~yerinalexey/89ea42419b8497c0c3df1255b8f81468759fdcc0
2021-05-16 19:22:37 <yyp> lol, this is a bit wrong as well - fmt.Errorf just returns a formatted error, I thought it was printing to stderr (facepalm). But anyway, it will make the thing fail early to see the error. 50% worked
2021-05-16 19:22:50 <telmich> Just checking the APKBUILD, how to build kubelet at all
2021-05-16 19:23:09 <yyp> You just need to add the patch to sources, it should be applied automatically
2021-05-16 19:23:49 <telmich> Oh - nice
2021-05-16 19:23:53 <yyp> (of course if I didn't horribly mess the formatting, and I don't have an Alpine machine at hand to check)
2021-05-16 19:25:36 <telmich> building
2021-05-16 19:26:18 <telmich> argh...I should not save the html of the patch... grml
2021-05-16 19:26:42 <yyp> Here's the raw version btw: https://paste.sr.ht/blob/2c3b8372c90a509495416d2b34d1a54a733a6b70
2021-05-16 19:27:07 <telmich> ack, thanks!
2021-05-16 19:28:26 <telmich> patch level wrong - checking the directory structure atm
2021-05-16 19:30:19 <telmich> Now building building
2021-05-16 19:31:25 <telmich> Interesting, compiling results into SEGV
2021-05-16 19:31:29 <telmich> https://www.nico.schottelius.org/temp/k8s-build-failure
2021-05-16 19:35:40 <nwm> is alpine moving from openrc?
2021-05-16 19:35:45 <nwm> and if so to what?
2021-05-16 19:36:17 <Sheila> s6-rc, when it's ready for mere mortals.
2021-05-16 19:36:52 <ikke> It still needs to be developed
2021-05-16 19:37:24 <nwm> hmm
2021-05-16 19:37:26 <ikke> https://skarnet.com/projects/service-manager.html
2021-05-16 19:39:56 <Sheila> would really like to see him get the funding he needs for that.
2021-05-16 19:40:53 <nwm> has anyone tried porting the openembedded systemd stuff to alpine?
2021-05-16 19:44:04 <yyp> systemd?
2021-05-16 19:45:57 <helby> one tried it in the past, get lifetime ban in alpine so
2021-05-16 19:50:35 <telmich> So the /var/lib/kubelet/config.yaml is actually generated during kubeadm init - and it seems not to derive from /etc/containers/containers.conf
2021-05-16 19:50:40 <telmich> head scratching
2021-05-16 19:51:21 <telmich> yyp, fyi: If I run kubeadm init ... stop kubelet why it is hanging, edit the config.yaml and restart kubelet, the init process works
2021-05-16 19:55:10 <yyp> oop,s un-apply the patch
2021-05-16 19:55:13 <yyp> *oops
2021-05-16 19:59:21 <yyp> Probably messed up some internal thing, or the build has gone wrong. Once I'll have a working Alpine machine, I'll probably test this
2021-05-16 20:06:35 <telmich> Interesting. So it is consistent, worker nodes also fail due to the incorrect config.yaml. I am currently trying to locate how/where it is being injected into kubelet
2021-05-16 20:09:16 <telmich>       --cgroup-driver string                                     Driver that the kubelet uses to manipulate cgroups on the host.  Possible values: 'cgroupfs', 'systemd' (default "cgroupfs") (DEPRECATED: This parameter should be set via the config file specified by the Kubelet's --config flag. See https://kubernetes.io/docs/tasks/administer-cluster/kubelet-config-file/ for more information.)
2021-05-16 20:10:13 <yyp> It returns an error with a debug message in setCPUCgroupConfig, the proper solution would be to change this to something like fmt.Fprintf(os.Stderr, "DEBUG: m in setCPUCgroupConfig is %v\n", m);
2021-05-16 20:12:08 <yyp> Anyway, that's a horrible printf thing to do, I should probably just setup the same environment and use a proper debugger instead
2021-05-16 20:13:35 <yyp> Sorry for this mess
2021-05-16 21:10:36 <telmich> no problem. If you need an (IPv6 only) test env, ping me
2021-05-16 21:11:01 <yyp> ok
2021-05-17 07:14:42 <ana_> Hello?
2021-05-17 07:14:54 <Silence_> hi
2021-05-17 07:15:09 <ana_> Thank god, someone is here
2021-05-17 07:15:31 <kurko246> Hi
2021-05-17 07:17:40 <ana_> Ok so, I've run Alpine on my laptop for the past couple weeks now, but ive been running it in "sys" mode because I didnt have time time (it was about this time and I have school) to install it, my main intention is to run it in data mode, the system has low storage, which is emmc, very slow, running in ram would see through an significant performance boost, it also only has 2GB of ram and a crappy celeron cpu, im trying to install it in data mode, but I
2021-05-17 07:17:41 <ana_> have no clue how, i've followed as much of the given instructions as i could to no avail, anyone here who could help?
2021-05-17 07:22:35 <ana_> The part im getting the most stuck on is setting a parition to be the boot parition and copying the isos contents to said partition.
2021-05-17 07:25:01 <kurko246> The boot partition must be the first one on the disk iirc, or at least it was on my installation
2021-05-17 07:25:40 <ana_> yeah it is
2021-05-17 08:22:10 <helby> maybe instead fuckering u can try to just run installer from usb and choose data mode?
2021-05-17 09:44:20 <jvoisin> congratz on Alpineconf ♥
2021-05-17 10:16:51 <frojnd> Alpineconf?
2021-05-17 10:19:15 <helby> the biggest and most successful conference ever in history of humanity
2021-05-17 10:19:32 <frojnd> Was it recorded?
2021-05-17 10:20:11 <helby> https://bbb.dereferenced.org/b/adm-ec4-bx7-ypm
2021-05-17 10:20:26 <helby> but I think videos from first day are not there yet
2021-05-17 10:20:46 <helby> just what Q/A and shit between them
2021-05-17 10:21:21 <helby> u can searc utube for alpineconf there you will find some of them, postmarketos were cool
2021-05-17 11:05:58 <Peasant65> Hey! I'm trying to find some way to identify my harddisks. I was thinking about using the WWN of each disk, but I can't figure out how to read that property on alpine :(.  I tried udevadm and lsblk but i can't find it.
2021-05-17 11:06:14 <Peasant65> lsblk's WWN's are all empty/unreported.
2021-05-17 11:10:43 <lopid> hard disks versus what?
2021-05-17 11:11:52 <lopid> there is lsblk if you just want a list
2021-05-17 11:13:05 <helby> u can also try 'fdisk -l'
2021-05-17 11:15:16 <lopid> and the contents of /dev/disk
2021-05-17 11:17:57 <Hello71> i swear someone was here asking about wwns like two months ago
2021-05-17 11:18:44 <ikke> yes
2021-05-17 11:18:49 <Hello71> for nvme, cat /sys/block/nvme*/device/serial
2021-05-17 11:19:18 <Hello71> for scsi i think you need to use udev. if it's blank then probably you didn't actually start udevd
2021-05-17 11:20:12 <Hello71> you can also use hardware path, depending on what you need it for
2021-05-17 11:20:55 <Hello71> although system firmware port numbers are notorious for being poorly correlated with physical labeling
2021-05-17 11:51:25 <mps> why alpineconf is not shortened to 'ac'
2021-05-17 11:52:10 <Hello71> alternating current?
2021-05-17 11:52:12 <kurko246> Sounds a bit like 802.11ac?
2021-05-17 11:52:18 <kurko246> Air conditioner?
2021-05-17 11:53:05 <mps> and debianconf could be 'dc', combined 'ac/dc'
2021-05-17 11:53:16 <kurko246> 200 IQ
2021-05-17 11:54:45 <mps> I grumble because I dislike 'short cutting' words and terms
2021-05-17 11:57:39 <mps> hmm, after about two weeks I concluded that mosh 'kills' wifi driver on my armv7 workstation
2021-05-17 11:58:19 <mps> ssh works fine and rest of network clients and servers
2021-05-17 11:58:25 <mps> strange
2021-05-17 15:02:16 <telmich> yyp: In case you are around - I've just bootstrapped 4x alpine nodes for k8s testing
2021-05-17 15:47:12 <megaladon> hi
2021-05-17 15:47:41 <megaladon> Command to show the character set used by Alpine Linux?
2021-05-17 15:55:41 <PiRATA> megaladon: like locale?
2021-05-17 15:57:54 <megaladon> Docker:/# locale
2021-05-17 15:57:54 <megaladon> stty: invalid number ''
2021-05-17 15:57:55 <megaladon> bash-static: locale: command not found
2021-05-17 15:57:55 <megaladon> Docker:/# ;80R
2021-05-17 15:58:50 <megaladon> (I get these additional outputs when I type any command, but only when using PuTTY to access the Alpine Linus container)
2021-05-17 15:59:01 <PiRATA> megaladon: https://github.com/rilian-la-te/musl-locales
2021-05-17 15:59:10 <PiRATA> just tested
2021-05-17 15:59:56 <PiRATA> btw by default is C.UTF-8
2021-05-17 16:01:16 <megaladon> Yes, my PuTTY is set to UTF-8, so I am trying to diagnose.  Theory is maybe this docker container modified the character set, though could be another reason
2021-05-17 16:11:02 <megaladon> Docker:/# echo $LANG
2021-05-17 16:11:02 <megaladon> stty: invalid number ''
2021-05-17 16:11:03 <megaladon> C
2021-05-17 16:11:03 <megaladon> Docker:/# ;80R
2021-05-17 16:11:25 <ikke> Why do you think it has to do with locale issues?
2021-05-17 16:14:07 <lopid> is this just a display issue, or is it actually sending that string to the remote host?
2021-05-17 16:14:31 <Hello71> my guess is you put something stupid in your PS1
2021-05-17 16:14:34 <megaladon> I don't see returns like ;80R when I use the web console access to the container, and only see that when using PuTTY, so I believe it is a settings issue in PuTTY.  I don't know which setting, but I thought the most likely would be the translation settings
2021-05-17 16:15:26 <megaladon> I've been reading the PuTTY documentation, which is actually very well written.  A good read.
2021-05-17 16:16:26 <PiRATA> windows doesn't come with openssh client by default?
2021-05-17 16:16:35 <Sheila> that's a more general terminal issue and doesn't really have anything to do with UTF-8
2021-05-17 16:16:57 <Sheila> what terminal is PuTTY set to present itself as? what does Docker think it is?
2021-05-17 16:17:05 <megaladon> I'm using PuTTY to access Eve-Ng-Pro which is hosted on a GCP server
2021-05-17 16:17:46 <megaladon> The container is a VM hosted on Eve-Ng-Pro
2021-05-17 16:17:54 <lopid> using that last example, just press enter to see if you get a syntax error. or edit a file, press whatever you press to get that output, and save the file. you can just use cat for that
2021-05-17 16:18:52 <Hello71> your "web console access" probably doesn't support ansi escape sequence queries
2021-05-17 16:19:06 <Hello71> er, xterm mumble mumble
2021-05-17 16:23:55 <megaladon> Docker:/#
2021-05-17 16:23:55 <megaladon> Docker:/#
2021-05-17 16:23:56 <megaladon> Docker:/#
2021-05-17 16:23:56 <megaladon> Docker:/#
2021-05-17 16:23:57 <megaladon> Docker:/# pwd
2021-05-17 16:23:57 <megaladon> stty: invalid number ''
2021-05-17 16:23:58 <megaladon> Docker:/# ;80R
2021-05-17 16:31:01 <Hello71> please don't dump in the channel
2021-05-17 17:16:29 <Peasant65> lopid I dont have a /dev/disk
2021-05-17 17:16:57 <Peasant65> and fdisk -l also does not show a hardware ID.
2021-05-17 17:16:59 <lopid> :-o
2021-05-17 17:17:24 <Peasant65> Figured it out though, I can use smartctl to get the WWN or serial as fallback.
2021-05-17 17:17:48 <ikke> for /dev/disk, you need udev
2021-05-17 17:18:06 <Peasant65> How does one get a /dev/disk anyway? by-id sounds like a wonderful addition.
2021-05-17 17:18:12 <ikke> ^^
2021-05-17 17:18:16 <Peasant65> Ah.
2021-05-17 17:19:05 <Peasant65> I got loads of 1tb disks in this system. It's always a battle to find out which is which :P
2021-05-17 19:18:43 <reed_> hi all. This is a super noob question, but I couldn't figure it out after some basic googling. How do I set aliases for ash? I've only ever really used bash before.
2021-05-17 19:19:22 <reed_> I tried adding "alias vi=vim" in my .profile file in my home directory, but that didn't have any effect
2021-05-17 19:22:52 <yyp> There's probably a better way to set the rc file, but for .profile file you need to log out and log in back to reload it
2021-05-17 19:23:14 <lopid> or source it
2021-05-17 19:23:33 <yyp> yeah
2021-05-17 19:27:00 <reed_> is there a standard way to have it sourced when I login?
2021-05-17 19:27:24 <helby> whatever u put in profile is sourced only with login shell
2021-05-17 19:27:26 <ikke> hmmm, it should be sourced when you login
2021-05-17 19:27:48 <helby> if u want source other crap probably, u export environment lets say file .shrc and put any crap there
2021-05-17 19:28:14 <lopid> profiles are for logins, rc's for new shells
2021-05-17 19:28:30 <lopid> aliases go in rc
2021-05-17 19:28:36 <ikke> ash does not load rc files by default
2021-05-17 19:28:38 <yyp> You can set ENV=... when launching ash and it will source the file specified
2021-05-17 19:28:54 <yyp> (found by reading ash sources)
2021-05-17 19:28:57 <reed_> I see. What file do I edit to specify the ENV?
2021-05-17 19:29:04 <helby> profile
2021-05-17 19:29:11 <yyp> I think you can export ENV=... in .profile
2021-05-17 19:29:27 <yyp> That should be inherited by everything
2021-05-17 19:29:27 <ikke> yes\
2021-05-17 19:29:45 <helby> my profile include something like 'export ENV=$HOME/.config/.shrc'
2021-05-17 19:30:28 <reed_> let met give that a try
2021-05-17 19:31:58 <reed_> so in my .profile I just have the following two lines:
2021-05-17 19:32:00 <reed_> startx
2021-05-17 19:32:10 <reed_> export ENV=$HOME/.shrc
2021-05-17 19:32:26 <reed_> then in my home folder I have .shrc with just the following line:
2021-05-17 19:32:30 <reed_> alias vi=vim
2021-05-17 19:32:38 <yyp> reed_: no, you need to export ENV before startx
2021-05-17 19:32:43 <reed_> I see
2021-05-17 19:32:46 <reed_> let me try that
2021-05-17 19:33:35 <reed_> is that because it will run startx until the process finishes, but it never finishes since the gui is open the whole time?
2021-05-17 19:33:58 <reed_> that worked, putting it before startx.
2021-05-17 19:34:03 <reed_> Thanks everyone!
2021-05-17 19:35:09 <ikke> reed_: yes, and because startx only inherits environment variables defined before its run
2021-05-17 19:35:20 <helby> until it crash
2021-05-17 20:49:00 <lopid> https://wiki.alpinelinux.org/wiki/Alpine_Linux_Init_System: "To change to a different runlevel: rc <runlevel>". however, "* rc is deprecated, please use openrc instead."
2021-05-17 20:54:35 <helby> it's actual: Tip: Prior to Alpine Linux 2.0.0, you might need to use the following commands instead: rc_add, rc_delete, and rc_status.
2021-05-17 20:55:03 <helby> something like 10 years?
2021-05-17 20:57:06 <Sheila> it is well known that the wiki is out of date.
2021-05-17 20:58:06 <lopid> not to a newbie, who is most likely to be reading it
2021-05-17 20:58:44 <helby> nothing changed last 10 years in linux so
2021-05-17 21:00:30 <johnjay> didn't linux go to 5.0 kernel numbers in that time?
2021-05-17 21:06:52 <c705> like a year ago maybe. not 10 years ago
2021-05-17 21:07:11 <helby> well alpine linux 2.0 is mentioned there so
2021-05-17 21:07:30 <helby> it's like hot tip
2021-05-17 21:08:07 <helby> wiki will be not fixed anyway, it's too huge
2021-05-17 21:08:17 <Hello71> pretty sure 10 years ago linux was still on 2.6
2021-05-17 21:08:46 <Hello71> 3.0 released 21 July 2011
2021-05-17 21:09:32 <helby> my thinkpad is from that period :/
2021-05-17 21:09:43 <helby> what a beast
2021-05-17 21:13:54 <helby> it's so harmful if somebody follow wiki
2021-05-17 21:29:15 <c705> no kidding
2021-05-17 21:29:31 <c705> you know what's worse than no doumentation? wrong documentation
2021-05-17 21:30:48 <helby> of course
2021-05-17 21:56:33 <Apachez> c705: you know whats even worser? agile development...
2021-05-17 21:59:47 <c705> i still don't really understand what agile development is supposed to be
2021-05-17 22:00:05 <c705> it's a business people buzzword for "work faster"
2021-05-17 22:00:41 <helby> not sure if faster is right word
2021-05-17 22:03:45 <Apachez> its suppose to look like you are working while in fact you arent
2021-05-17 22:03:50 <Apachez> and no docs at all (often)
2021-05-17 22:04:00 <Apachez> also release bad quality
2021-05-17 22:04:11 <Apachez> because things will be fixed in "next sprint"
2021-05-17 22:08:15 <helby> that's okay, it's for money :)
2021-05-17 22:08:21 <helby> like most things
2021-05-17 22:08:38 <helby> just get some shit and make money from it
2021-05-17 22:08:59 <helby> ideally if it's complicatet mess, that nobody else understand it
2021-05-17 22:10:47 <helby> alpine on other hands does not work that way
2021-05-17 22:11:10 <eletrotupi> does anybody already went over the trouble of installing rbenv?
2021-05-17 22:11:31 <helby> as u can see in wiki, process already began, but now we have dictator - council, teams, groups, it takes some time while it show in wiki
2021-05-17 22:11:54 <eletrotupi> I saw that rbenv's ruby-build is on the @testing branch, but didn't find anything related to rbenv
2021-05-17 22:21:04 <bz2S> for wiki, not too hard to look at bottom of page and see when it was last updated
2021-05-17 22:21:24 <bz2S> this is self-explan. if the docs are up to date or not
2021-05-17 22:38:15 <helby> last updated can be one sentence while all other crap is still ancient and that's the case of every page there
2021-05-17 22:40:36 <eletrotupi> hm, is there openssl-dev 1.0 libs somewhere?
2021-05-18 02:54:49 <Cadey> i'm running into a weird issue where alpine linux 3.13 is rejecting mounting an ISO when run in a VM. here's the ISO I'm trying to mount (convert it back to an ISO using `base64 -d`): https://git.io/JsuIY, i get exit code 255 when trying to mount it and dmesg doesn't really report anything about the issue. I'm using the linux-virt kernel if it matters
2021-05-18 03:00:07 <Cadey> what am I doing wrong?
2021-05-18 03:02:07 <Cadey> it mounts fine on other distros, just not alpine
2021-05-18 03:02:32 <Cadey> i made it with the command `genisoimage -output /home/cadey/.cache/within/mkvm/seed/hokuto-87ca06d7-87cf-4773-be5d-b289f567fbb4.iso -volid cidata -joliet -rock /tmp/mkvm2879828504/meta-data /tmp/mkvm2879828504/user-data`
2021-05-18 04:22:03 <ikke> Cadey: are you using the default busybox mount?
2021-05-18 07:20:10 <psycogenesis> I'm using alpine edge, building wheel via pip is always failed after python upgraded to v3.9, how to resolve it?
2021-05-18 07:26:03 <danieli> psycogenesis: post the error message? (use e.g. tpaste.us)
2021-05-18 09:45:19 <danci1973> Hello...
2021-05-18 09:50:54 <danci1973> I'm using Alpine Linux on routers that are on pretty remote locations, where an error in iptables could mean a looong drive. Since I prefer to edit the rules file and then 'reload' iptables, I extended the iptables init script in such a way, that the 'checkconfig' function besides checking for the rules file also runs 'iptables-restore --test' tocheck for syntax errors, before actually reloading..
2021-05-18 09:52:26 <danci1973> I also added a couple of lines to load rules from an extra file ('generated.table'), which is generated by intrusion prevention / detection system, so that these persist reloading / restarting of the router.
2021-05-18 09:53:32 <danci1973> If that sounds useful, let me know where to send the diff...
2021-05-18 10:52:02 <Cadey> ikke: yes
2021-05-18 10:56:32 <Cadey> using coreutils mount fixes the mount command
2021-05-18 10:57:16 <ikke> Right, that was my suspicion
2021-05-18 11:16:04 <Cadey> do i need to do more than `apk add coreutils` to install coreutils on a new alpine box?
2021-05-18 11:16:18 <Cadey> when i do that i'm not seeing busybox mount get replaced with coreutils mount
2021-05-18 11:17:04 <ikke> I think it's util-linux
2021-05-18 11:17:27 <ikke> ttps://pkgs.alpinelinux.org/contents?file=mount&path=&name=util-linux&branch=edge&repo=main&arch=x86_64
2021-05-18 11:17:31 <ikke> ttps://pkgs.alpinelinux.org/contents?file=mount&path=&name=util-linux&branch=edge&repo=main&arch=x86_64
2021-05-18 11:17:34 <ikke> ugh
2021-05-18 11:17:40 <ikke> https://pkgs.alpinelinux.org/contents?file=mount&path=&name=util-linux&branch=edge&repo=main&arch=x86_64
2021-05-18 11:18:20 <Cadey> ah
2021-05-18 14:10:34 <xordspar0> danci1973: Neat, you can open a merge request in Gitlab: https://gitlab.alpinelinux.org/alpine/aports/-/blob/master/main/iptables/iptables.initd
2021-05-18 14:11:22 <xordspar0> You can also discuss in #alpine-devel if you want more feedback in IRC.
2021-05-18 14:13:37 <danci1973> xordspar0: Thanks, I'll do tha later first.. :) I'm not that versed in Gitlab stuff.
2021-05-18 14:16:33 <xordspar0> danci1973: You can also mail a diff to ~alpine/aports@lists.alpinelinux.org if you prefer (the archives are at https://lists.alpinelinux.org/~alpine/aports). The mailing list gets less attention than merge requests in Gitlab though.
2021-05-18 20:16:45 <eletrotupi> hello! It's theres any way to install openssl 1.0 along with 1.1 on alpine?
2021-05-18 20:17:23 <eletrotupi> It's, unfortunately a hard dependency on the ruby version an app I need to deploy to
2021-05-18 20:21:59 <GreyXor> hi :) do you know when 3.14 will be tagged ?
2021-05-18 20:24:39 <helby> How many security issues are in openssl 1.0 100 or 500 ?
2021-05-18 20:28:16 <Cogitri> eletrotupi: Not really - ideally you'd just make your ruby app build against newer openssl, you'll need this at some point anyway
2021-05-18 20:28:38 <Cogitri> GreyXor: Once the builders are done building the release, so I suppose a first RC should be released in ~2 weeks
2021-05-18 20:31:31 <eletrotupi> helby: Yeah, it's an awful legacy shit I need to provide support
2021-05-18 20:36:08 <helby> eletrotupi: one would argue, that's not a support but a disservice, but real life brings that shit ;)
2021-05-18 20:36:25 <eletrotupi> yeah :(
2021-05-18 20:37:01 <eletrotupi> Well, maybe I can use the core/openssl-1.0 arch's package and translate into a apkbuild for my specific usecase
2021-05-18 20:37:15 <eletrotupi> at least I can move to a more up-to-date server
2021-05-18 20:37:30 <eletrotupi> currently this app is running on a fucking ubuntu 16.04
2021-05-18 20:47:58 <helby> ;) that app is probably wonderful piece
2021-05-18 20:49:08 <helby> what is that app for?
2021-05-18 21:01:33 <helby> eletrotupi: u can also check old apkbuild for 1.0
2021-05-18 21:09:42 <eletrotupi> ooooh nice
2021-05-18 21:10:25 <Cogitri> But you'll have to version it
2021-05-18 21:10:42 <Cogitri> Just installing openssl 1.0 will probably brick your system
2021-05-18 21:10:50 <Hello71> or use a chroot
2021-05-18 21:13:16 <Cogitri> I suppose docker/podman is a better fit
2021-05-18 21:13:38 <Cogitri> But even in that case installing openssl 1.0 will probably brick the base system of the chroot/docker/podman container
2021-05-18 23:24:49 <eletrotupi> yeah
2021-05-18 23:24:52 <eletrotupi> fuuuuck
2021-05-18 23:39:59 <Hello71> i mean it's probably fine as long as you don't plan on downloading anything or connecting to the internet
2021-05-18 23:40:11 <Hello71> and your program doesn't use system libraries that use openssl (e.g. libcurl)
2021-05-19 01:46:15 <outerpassage> anyone had success with the nix package in testing?
2021-05-19 01:47:07 <outerpassage> apk is complaining about a missing boost shared object for me, but I don't understand why. it seems to be available from the boost-context package so I'm not sure why apk isn't finding it
2021-05-19 08:17:51 <avr> Does scrolling with Shift-PgUp/PgDn in the virtual consoles work with Alpine?
2021-05-19 08:23:34 <lopid> not by default
2021-05-19 08:36:27 <lopid> (scrolling support was removed from the kernel)
2021-05-19 08:39:55 <avr> lopid, thanks. I wanted to make sure it wasn't just this particular laptop or an effect of a different libc.
2021-05-19 12:08:47 <Hello71> actually I think it should still work in 5.10?
2021-05-19 12:10:11 <lopid> whichever didn't get this: https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux.git/commit/?id=50145474f6ef4a9c19205b173da6264a644c7489
2021-05-19 12:17:23 <Hello71> yes i am aware of it
2021-05-19 12:49:44 <afontain_> so long and see you on oftc
2021-05-19 16:26:17 <caskd> o/
2021-05-19 16:46:52 <watashi> is it just me getting some bad signature error with qt5base and some others?
2021-05-19 16:47:47 <Ariadne> on which architecture?
2021-05-19 16:58:26 <watashi> aarch64
2021-05-19 16:58:43 <watashi> im using postmarketos
2021-05-19 17:05:26 <Ariadne> strange
2021-05-19 17:05:33 <Ariadne> which version?
2021-05-19 17:06:17 <watashi> the master branch
2021-05-19 17:06:50 <watashi> (1/8) Installing qt5-qtbase (5.15.3_git20210406-r0)
2021-05-19 17:06:50 <watashi> ERROR: qt5-qtbase-5.15.3_git20210406-r0: BAD signature
2021-05-19 17:06:50 <watashi> ERROR: Failed to create usr/lib/libQt5Core.so.5.15.3: Connection aborted
2021-05-19 17:07:06 <watashi> then theres many xcb packages that say the same
2021-05-19 17:07:28 <watashi> and i get some kind of cannot find symbol error trying to run stuff
2021-05-19 17:07:43 <watashi> maybe ive just broken the install i dunno
2021-05-19 17:08:14 <ikke> watashi: what is in your /etc/apk/repositories?
2021-05-19 17:08:45 <watashi> edge and testing and community
2021-05-19 17:08:48 <watashi> and the postmarketos one
2021-05-19 17:08:55 <ikke> what mirror?
2021-05-19 17:09:15 <watashi>  
2021-05-19 17:09:15 <watashi> http://mirror.postmarketos.org/postmarketos/master
2021-05-19 17:09:15 <watashi> http://dl-cdn.alpinelinux.org/alpine/edge/main
2021-05-19 17:09:16 <watashi> http://dl-cdn.alpinelinux.org/alpine/edge/community
2021-05-19 17:09:24 <watashi> and testing the same
2021-05-19 17:09:30 <ikke> ok
2021-05-19 17:12:20 <Hello71> Connection aborted?
2021-05-19 17:12:36 <Hello71> try https instead
2021-05-19 17:12:47 <watashi> oh hmm okay
2021-05-19 17:14:06 <watashi> gives the same error still
2021-05-19 18:15:03 <JulianGro> Hello, the wiki still points to freenode. Just to let you know https://wiki.alpinelinux.org/wiki/Alpine_Linux:IRC
2021-05-19 18:15:47 <helby> hah wiki
2021-05-19 18:15:58 <lopid> apparently it's "well known" that the wiki is outdated
2021-05-19 18:16:01 <helby> it points to many funny places
2021-05-19 18:18:05 <ikke> Fixed
2021-05-19 18:18:59 <PureTryOut> The thing with wikis is that anyone can edit it, so also people reporting here that it's outdated 😉
2021-05-19 18:19:52 <omni> now the report is outdated
2021-05-19 18:20:27 <helby> anyone can edit it? did not know
2021-05-19 18:20:46 <helby> bc. this wiki looks like almost nobody can edit it
2021-05-19 18:23:06 <Newbyte[m]> what do you mean by that it looks like almost nobody can edit it?
2021-05-19 18:23:27 <PureTryOut> helby: you just have to make an account, which everybody can do
2021-05-19 18:24:52 <helby> holy shit matrix
2021-05-19 18:25:11 <ikke> helby: please behave
2021-05-19 18:25:39 <lopid> yes, no promoting other messaging platforms
2021-05-19 18:26:14 <helby> that was quite an opposite
2021-05-19 18:27:08 <JulianGro> PureTryOut: the announcement only said that #alpine-linux and #alpine-devel moved to OFTC so I just wanted to be save. Also I just noticed that after looking to confirm that you guys switched away from freenode after someone on the postmarketOS Matrix said that.
2021-05-19 18:27:11 <helby> Newbyte[m]: bc. it looks like nobody touched it for 10 years :/
2021-05-19 18:27:46 <helby> How it comes that so many matrix users here? was this channel alive before?
2021-05-19 18:27:56 <ikke> yes
2021-05-19 18:28:20 <PureTryOut> JulianGro: I said that lol
2021-05-19 18:29:08 <JulianGro> Not in my chat log ;)
2021-05-19 18:29:12 <JulianGro> Oh
2021-05-19 18:29:15 <JulianGro> OH
2021-05-19 18:30:26 <JulianGro> World is small
2021-05-19 18:37:41 <danieli> greetings
2021-05-19 18:37:51 <ikke> o/
2021-05-19 18:37:57 <maxice8> o/
2021-05-19 18:44:23 <helby> if I try to use shitty openssl I get can't open file /etc/openssl.cnf as it does not exists :/
2021-05-19 18:48:12 <helby> ... just saying, thanks anyway ;)
2021-05-19 18:52:22 <helby> not, that I like to create cert or use openssl at all, but oftc does not sasl auth, so probably I have to
2021-05-19 18:53:07 <ikke> /etc/ssl/openssl.cnf
2021-05-19 18:53:09 <helby> but if so old program as openssl is not able to simply create cert, something is wrong :/
2021-05-19 18:53:32 <helby> yes, that
2021-05-19 18:54:11 <helby> what is that cnf? some kind of config file not created?
2021-05-19 18:54:18 <yyp> helby: oftc does sasl auth
2021-05-19 18:54:34 <helby> yyp: are u sure? 
2021-05-19 18:54:35 <ikke> I used a self-signed cert for oftc
2021-05-19 18:54:37 <PiRATA> cerfp
2021-05-19 18:54:55 <helby> yes, self signed, but I can't create it if openssl does not work
2021-05-19 18:55:32 <ikke> https://pkgs.alpinelinux.org/contents?file=openssl.cnf&path=%2Fetc%2Fssl&name=&branch=edge&arch=x86_64
2021-05-19 18:57:04 <helby> aha, so probably deleted that conf or whatever
2021-05-19 18:57:17 <helby> thanks, will reinstall that nonsense
2021-05-19 18:57:33 <helby> but I never remember apk for reinstalling
2021-05-19 18:57:54 <ikke> apk fix
2021-05-19 18:57:56 <yyp> re: SASL on OFTC. oops, maybe not. I acutally forgot that I don't use a password for it
2021-05-19 18:58:27 <helby> ikke: no, it will not
2021-05-19 18:58:40 <ikke> You need to specify the pkgname
2021-05-19 18:58:55 <ikke> apk fix libcrypto1.1
2021-05-19 18:59:01 <helby> -r 
2021-05-19 18:59:11 <helby> got a lot of errors, failed to create /etc/ssl/misc ....
2021-05-19 18:59:45 <helby> have to probably create that directory for fuck's sake
2021-05-19 20:07:48 <omni> are the pound signs needlessly escaped here? https://alpinelinux.org/posts/Switching-to-OFTC.html
2021-05-19 20:07:58 <ikke> yes
2021-05-19 20:08:11 <ikke> too lazy to fix it :P
2021-05-19 20:09:05 <yyp> Where's the source code for alpinelinux.org?
2021-05-19 20:09:28 <ikke> https://gitlab.alpinelinux.org/alpine/infra/alpine-mksite
2021-05-19 20:11:44 <helby> new council is busy from the start hihi
2021-05-19 21:52:54 <graywolf> Hello :) So question, why oftc and not libera chat) I do not know much about either so I'm curious.
2021-05-19 21:54:11 <dapinkone> I don't know much, but it looks like OFTC's a similar org which has been around a while with similar goals. Libera is spinning up today with freenode's former staff.
2021-05-19 21:54:25 <clandmeter> cause of stability mostly
2021-05-19 21:54:43 <clandmeter> there is also a matrix limitation iirc
2021-05-19 21:55:02 <helby> matrix limitation on irc ...
2021-05-19 21:55:24 <helby> skype does not work in oftc too
2021-05-19 21:55:29 <clandmeter> its not bridged, so yes thats limited for them.
2021-05-19 21:55:48 <clandmeter> helby: we dont want to break ppls setups 
2021-05-19 21:58:50 <kinghat> 👋
2021-05-19 22:00:19 <helby> was the discussion about this issue private? Did not see anything in irc
2021-05-19 22:02:44 <Shiz> nya~
2021-05-19 22:02:55 <Shiz> clandmeter: matrix is bridged to libera, though
2021-05-19 22:03:10 <clandmeter> it is?
2021-05-19 22:03:12 <Shiz> yes
2021-05-19 22:03:31 <clandmeter> i thought i saw Ariadne mention it didnt, maybe i didnt pay attention.
2021-05-19 22:03:41 <danieli> skype supports IRC? regular microsoft skype?
2021-05-19 22:03:47 <WeblordPepe> danieli: hello :) i'm here. from freenode. thanks mate
2021-05-19 22:03:59 <danieli> WeblordPepe: greetings
2021-05-19 22:04:04 <Ariadne> Shiz: it is now.  it was not at the time we made that decision.
2021-05-19 22:04:13 <Shiz> ah
2021-05-19 22:04:14 <WeblordPepe> ..skype supports irc??
2021-05-19 22:04:27 <Shiz> Ariadne: i mean, it was trivially predictable it would be :)
2021-05-19 22:04:32 <clandmeter> helby: the discussion was public, decision semi private 
2021-05-19 22:04:33 <Shiz> (or you could've just asked amdj)
2021-05-19 22:04:43 <WeblordPepe> 
ACTION does one of those 'say Wha!?' poses  

2021-05-19 22:05:16 <WeblordPepe> j c++
2021-05-19 22:05:25 <watashi> anyone know what error relocating, symbol not found means?
2021-05-19 22:05:29 <WeblordPepe> 
ACTION rmembers to put a slash in front

2021-05-19 22:05:49 <Ariadne> Shiz: i have my doubts, considering freenode staff have complained loudly about matrix
2021-05-19 22:05:50 <clandmeter> but the matter that we could not even connect this morning was enough to decide to go here instead. 
2021-05-19 22:05:51 <Shiz> watashi: need full context (preferably in pastebn)
2021-05-19 22:05:59 <Shiz> Ariadne: well, you can think or you can ask :P
2021-05-19 22:06:07 <watashi> sure i guess
2021-05-19 22:06:12 <Shiz> i am fine with either oftc or libera, fwiw
2021-05-19 22:06:13 <watashi> link me a pastebin
2021-05-19 22:06:14 <kinghat> im in the alpine matrix room and i dont think its bridged 🤔
2021-05-19 22:06:16 <danieli> tpaste.us
2021-05-19 22:06:17 <Ariadne> Shiz: i don't really care, OFTC was a better option anyway
2021-05-19 22:06:35 <Ariadne> OFTC removes us from the drama
2021-05-19 22:07:02 <Shiz> you were already in the middle of the drama :-)
2021-05-19 22:07:13 <kinghat> this is the matrix room: #alpinelinux:matrix.org
2021-05-19 22:07:21 <clandmeter> We have requested for a group registration on libera, so if its ever needed or more interesting we can make a switch.
2021-05-19 22:07:33 <Sheila> we're here to work, not to deal with whatever shitshow's developing at the network level
2021-05-19 22:07:39 <Ariadne> ^
2021-05-19 22:07:56 <Ariadne> my only involvement was to find out information about the drama, in order to determine what if anything the project needed to do to avoid it
2021-05-19 22:08:07 <Ariadne> i can't help the fact that the idiot decided to bribe me
2021-05-19 22:08:20 <Ariadne> i am bound to certain ethics requirements that demanded full disclosure of the bribe offers
2021-05-19 22:08:21 <Shiz> good old rdv
2021-05-19 22:08:28 <Shiz> i remember when he ran snoonet
2021-05-19 22:08:31 <WeblordPepe> i was impressed by your standing your ground ariadne. thats was really cool. owe you a beer and/or beverage of your choice
2021-05-19 22:08:31 <Shiz> hasn't changed over the years
2021-05-19 22:08:37 <Shiz> at all
2021-05-19 22:08:45 <danieli> i figured that if anyone associated with alpine was going to receive an attempted bribe, it would have to be you :D
2021-05-19 22:08:55 <Ariadne> had i not disclosed the bribe offer and it was later disclosed that i was bribed, i could lose my funding
2021-05-19 22:08:56 <clandmeter> :)
2021-05-19 22:09:04 <Ariadne> and me losing my funding would be bad for alpine
2021-05-19 22:09:13 <Sheila> would like to not have that outcome, tbh
2021-05-19 22:09:14 <Ariadne> as i do a lot around here :P
2021-05-19 22:09:14 <danieli> you get big G money, right?
2021-05-19 22:09:26 <clandmeter> im still waiting for my first bribe, probably will never happen.
2021-05-19 22:09:37 <Ariadne> danieli: i wouldn't say it is a lot of money, but it is enough money to not have to look for a real job
2021-05-19 22:09:39 <Shiz> does a job offer count as a bribe
2021-05-19 22:09:43 <Shiz> :p
2021-05-19 22:09:45 <Sheila> it can.
2021-05-19 22:10:01 <danieli> Ariadne: for some people, that's all they need. if i could spend my days working on open source, i probably would
2021-05-19 22:10:04 <Shiz> i definitely got potential job offers from alpine
2021-05-19 22:10:07 <Shiz> declined them, though
2021-05-19 22:10:09 <Shiz> err
2021-05-19 22:10:10 <clandmeter> depends on paycheck :)
2021-05-19 22:10:12 <danieli> 'from alpine'?
2021-05-19 22:10:13 <Shiz> through, not from
2021-05-19 22:10:17 <Shiz> as in, from my alpine work
2021-05-19 22:10:19 <Shiz> i was typing too fast
2021-05-19 22:10:20 <watashi> here shiz https://0x0.st/-eo_.txt
2021-05-19 22:10:27 <danieli> ah right - i've had people poke me about consulting, but i couldn't at the time
2021-05-19 22:10:34 <watashi> also ive yet to fix the other problem which is qt5base and xcb saying bad signature
2021-05-19 22:10:41 <Shiz> Error loading shared library libQt5Network.so.5: Exec format error 
2021-05-19 22:10:45 <danieli> i wouldn't consider an offer of a regular consulting gig a bribe
2021-05-19 22:10:47 <Shiz> sounds like your library's fucked, fam
2021-05-19 22:11:19 <Shiz> might i recommend reinstalling all of qt5
2021-05-19 22:11:26 <Ariadne> danieli: it depends on context
2021-05-19 22:11:41 <danieli> Ariadne: well yes, and it depends on the definition of 'consulting'
2021-05-19 22:11:43 <Ariadne> danieli: if it is a consulting offer because you do good work on alpine, then it is not a bribe
2021-05-19 22:11:56 <Shiz> think you meant to highlight me with that one
2021-05-19 22:11:58 <Ariadne> danieli: if it is a consulting offer because they are trying to gain your endorsement, then it is a bribe
2021-05-19 22:12:01 <Shiz> but yeah
2021-05-19 22:12:15 <Ariadne> no, i was responding to
2021-05-19 22:12:16 <Ariadne> [17:10:44] <danieli> i wouldn't consider an offer of a regular consulting gig a bribe
2021-05-19 22:12:21 <Shiz> ah
2021-05-19 22:12:26 <Ariadne> any "job offer" from rdv is definitely a bribe
2021-05-19 22:12:30 <Shiz> yes
2021-05-19 22:12:41 <danieli> agreed, but sometimes context is for kings
2021-05-19 22:12:44 <Ariadne> and he used to be a trooper, so he should know better
2021-05-19 22:12:50 <Shiz> was he?
2021-05-19 22:12:58 <Ariadne> danieli: well, andrew is the Crown Prince of Korea
2021-05-19 22:12:58 <Shiz> i recall him as a clown 5+ years ago too
2021-05-19 22:12:59 <Ariadne> ;)
2021-05-19 22:13:12 <danieli> Ariadne: i saw something about that on twitter, probably through you, i raised an eyebrow
2021-05-19 22:13:20 <Ariadne> Shiz: yes, Arkansas State Police trooper
2021-05-19 22:13:23 <watashi> how do i reinstall the qt5 base
2021-05-19 22:13:27 <Shiz> aah
2021-05-19 22:13:27 <watashi> or qt5 at all
2021-05-19 22:13:30 <watashi> it says bad signature
2021-05-19 22:13:34 <Shiz> i thought trooper in the figurative sense
2021-05-19 22:13:40 <helby> still freenode staffs talks about him much worse than he talked about them
2021-05-19 22:13:42 <Ariadne> watashi: are you mixing archs
2021-05-19 22:14:06 <Sheila> `for i in del add; do apk $i list-of-packages-here; end` :V
2021-05-19 22:14:26 <danieli> it does sound like you're mixing architectures, what happens if you run 'file' on the file libQt5Network.so.5?
2021-05-19 22:14:36 <Shiz> i think it's an empty file
2021-05-19 22:14:38 <Shiz> hedge your bets
2021-05-19 22:14:54 <danieli> my mind is numb after working a lot with red hat, ubuntu and solaris
2021-05-19 22:14:55 <danieli> so no comment
2021-05-19 22:15:25 <danieli> if i try to execute an empty file it just prints a newline and exits
2021-05-19 22:15:29 <danieli> (the shell does)
2021-05-19 22:15:43 <Ariadne> i also can't help that i am 100% likely to find out about anything that happens with freenode before anyone else does
2021-05-19 22:15:44 <watashi> uuh i dont think so Ariadne 
2021-05-19 22:16:09 <Shiz> danieli: sure, but it's not executing it, it's trying to dynamically load it as a library
2021-05-19 22:16:10 <Ariadne> people tell me about stuff :P
2021-05-19 22:16:15 <Shiz> (and that's only for certain kernel configs)
2021-05-19 22:16:20 <danieli> Shiz: touché
2021-05-19 22:16:30 <watashi> how do i remove the qt5 stuff 
2021-05-19 22:16:38 <Sheila> `for i in del add; do apk $i list-of-packages-here; end` :V
2021-05-19 22:16:40 <Shiz> just consider `apk fix qt5base`
2021-05-19 22:16:40 <watashi> is there a force option
2021-05-19 22:16:42 <Sheila> will do the needful
2021-05-19 22:16:48 <watashi> ill try
2021-05-19 22:16:50 <Sheila> or you can `apk fix`
2021-05-19 22:17:05 <danieli> 'apk fix' is pretty neat
2021-05-19 22:17:17 <danieli> it feels a bit opaque though, i guess i'll have to read up on it
2021-05-19 22:17:41 <kinghat> ok the bridge is working
2021-05-19 22:17:48 <kinghat[m]> is it?
2021-05-19 22:17:52 <danieli> it is
2021-05-19 22:18:12 <helby> still interesting that apk fix libcrypto1.1 was not able to create dir /etc/ssl/misc/ so failed ot add content there
2021-05-19 22:18:13 <kinghat> there is an alpine linux matrix room though
2021-05-19 22:18:20 <watashi> https://0x0.st/-eoO.txt this happens like no matter what apk command
2021-05-19 22:18:45 <danieli> now that's an error message i haven't seen from apk before - connection aborted?
2021-05-19 22:19:18 <Ariadne> watashi: are you using an SD card?
2021-05-19 22:19:22 <watashi> what can i say i know how to breka things
2021-05-19 22:19:24 <watashi> yes
2021-05-19 22:19:28 <Ariadne> watashi: your SD card is bad
2021-05-19 22:19:29 <watashi> its a phoneish thing
2021-05-19 22:19:33 <watashi> doh
2021-05-19 22:19:38 <watashi> reeh
2021-05-19 22:19:49 <Ariadne> danieli: -EABORTED in this case means write aborted
2021-05-19 22:19:51 <watashi> i was so hoping i wouldnt have to reinstall
2021-05-19 22:19:52 <clandmeter> check dmesg
2021-05-19 22:19:58 <danieli> Ariadne: ah alright, makes sense
2021-05-19 22:20:06 <watashi> i know the sd cards cant handle much
2021-05-19 22:20:13 <danieli> i was thinking it must have something to do with IO
2021-05-19 22:20:17 <Sheila> good ones can handle quite a bit, actually
2021-05-19 22:20:48 <Sheila> I would avoid Kingston as they're known to sell low-quality SD cards under their name, e.g.
2021-05-19 22:21:01 <watashi> i just buy what they have at the nearby store
2021-05-19 22:21:15 <watashi> i should flash them into the emmc
2021-05-19 22:21:16 <Sheila> if it's dollar-store-tier, stop that.
2021-05-19 22:21:30 <Shiz> generally SD cards are a good road into corrupted data
2021-05-19 22:21:32 <Shiz> :(
2021-05-19 22:21:58 <Hello71> all the vendors have counterfeits
2021-05-19 22:22:33 <Hello71> iirc kingston is actually "less fake" somehow
2021-05-19 22:23:15 <danieli> what's the best SD you can get these days, something like SDUC C10 U3 V90?
2021-05-19 22:23:22 <danieli> all the classes are a mess
2021-05-19 22:23:40 <watashi> maybe theres some use in planned obsolescense
2021-05-19 22:25:33 <Sheila> danieli: yeah, that or SDIO
2021-05-19 22:26:04 <danieli> there's an A class too but i can't remember if that's just some vendor deviating from the spec or what
2021-05-19 22:26:11 <Sheila> watashi: SD is literally just proprietarized eMMC, even to the point that a lot of eMMC is SD-card-backed
2021-05-19 22:26:28 <watashi> well but its all i have
2021-05-19 22:27:14 <Sheila> I'm broke++ or I'd offer to cause to be mailed to you some decent cards.
2021-05-19 22:29:01 <watashi> well i got two of the pines i was intending to just conf and gift the other to a friend but i feel its gonna take more work to make it presentable anyways
2021-05-19 22:29:32 <watashi> at least i got the other one now so mom can beep me and i can listen to music outside and check the clock
2021-05-19 22:29:40 <Sheila> danieli: Application Performance class specifies minimum IOPS performance and was introdued in SD 5.1/6.0
2021-05-19 22:29:50 <danieli> I see
2021-05-19 22:30:12 <Sheila> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SD_card#Application_Performance_Class
2021-05-19 22:46:12 <helby> Sheila: does not eMMC is just soldered SD card?
2021-05-19 22:47:40 <Hello71> although a lot of cards fraudulently claim compliance
2021-05-19 22:50:06 <helby> funny that whatever u buy, it always use different type/size of sd card :/
2021-05-19 22:53:50 <Sheila> helby: can be, yes.
2021-05-19 23:33:09 <maxice8> I need testers for mesa 21.1.1 upgrade
2021-05-19 23:33:17 <maxice8> includes new vulkan layers and removal of patch I couldn't quite find where to fit together
2021-05-19 23:33:26 <maxice8> !21566
2021-05-20 00:50:11 <helby> Did anybody try something like HiFive Unmatched RISC-V crap?
2021-05-20 08:36:52 <markand> hey there
2021-05-20 08:37:52 <markand> logrotate seems to be provided as daily periodic file, does this mean that busybox's crond is enough to run it?
2021-05-20 08:42:40 <markand> ah yes it seems enabled in default /etc/crontab/root
2021-05-20 08:42:43 <markand> !next
2021-05-20 08:45:34 <LACampbell> wtf there was an alpine conf and I missed it
2021-05-20 09:13:17 <wej> speaking of alpineconf, are the talks available to watch somewhere? i've seen a few have appeared on youtube
2021-05-20 09:22:33 <clandmeter> not sure, you cannot see them from BBB instance?
2021-05-20 09:23:16 <clandmeter> https://bbb.dereferenced.org/b/adm-ec4-bx7-ypm
2021-05-20 10:20:23 <dngray[m]> hello all!
2021-05-20 10:22:33 <wej> clandmeter:thanks, i'll check it out :)
2021-05-20 15:42:20 <nico[m]> yyp: ping. Did you by any chance have a look into the groupdriver issue?
2021-05-20 16:07:48 <xordspar0> It seems like several of the alpineconf talks weren't recorded. I just hear, "Ok, I'm going to stop the recording. Ok, I started the recording. Nice talk, any questions?" Also, the recording for the first day starts after lunch. :(
2021-05-20 16:08:12 <ikke> xordspar0: That's I assume the first day, where we though bbb would not do anything with those videos
2021-05-20 16:08:25 <ikke> these were pre-recorded presentations, so they are on youtube
2021-05-20 16:08:38 <xordspar0> Oh, nice. Thanks.
2021-05-20 16:08:39 <ikke> someone still needs to edit all the material
2021-05-20 17:13:38 <helby> how to install package from 'unmaintained' ?
2021-05-20 17:13:47 <ikke> you need to build it yourself
2021-05-20 17:13:52 <helby> oh shit
2021-05-20 17:14:09 <helby> I am afraid to boot without gummiboot now :/
2021-05-20 17:15:20 <helby> right from main to unmaintained ... weird
2021-05-20 17:18:05 <helby> okay, temporary installed it from release :/
2021-05-20 17:18:39 <helby> now can reboot like boss
2021-05-20 17:22:01 <helby> I think council is responsible for this mess, all members should be removed from their positions for lifetime
2021-05-20 17:27:24 <helby> this shitty oftc does not use sasl
2021-05-20 17:28:21 <loosh> uh? i am logged in with sasl
2021-05-20 17:28:27 <helby> no way
2021-05-20 17:28:42 <loosh> yes way, i am using the client cert auth
2021-05-20 17:28:54 <loosh> ./msg NickServ CERT ADD
2021-05-20 17:28:55 <helby> yes cert but not sasl-plain 
2021-05-20 17:29:03 <loosh> still sasl.. :)
2021-05-20 17:29:10 <helby> that's different, bc. one need stupid cert
2021-05-20 17:29:35 <helby> no I think it's not sasl as their server does not support sasl at all
2021-05-20 17:30:01 <helby> another point to cancel council ;)
2021-05-20 17:30:19 <ikke> helby: one command to generate a cert
2021-05-20 17:30:29 <helby> no
2021-05-20 17:30:33 <MY-R> isnt sasl at all
2021-05-20 17:30:38 <helby> first u have to install openssl, then one command, then u have to keep it
2021-05-20 17:30:49 <helby> and keep that useless cert
2021-05-20 17:31:10 <exprez135> But once you use it, it's no longer useless
2021-05-20 17:31:12 <exprez135> Makes life easy
2021-05-20 17:31:12 <loosh> isnt sasl-external by definition sasl
2021-05-20 17:31:45 <helby> how easier? that when u reinstall or whatever u have to create or backup your cert
2021-05-20 17:31:55 <helby> wile passowrd is beautiful plain text what u can even remember
2021-05-20 17:31:59 <MY-R> sasl was imho better since it was authorizing to nickserver much earlier, with cert it can be delayed enough to not apply cloak fast enough before connect to channel
2021-05-20 17:32:07 <helby> exactly
2021-05-20 17:32:30 <helby> we will get down whole council! :)
2021-05-20 17:32:46 <Sheila> It’s a custom hybrid, so.
2021-05-20 17:33:05 <helby> it's not simple compared to sasla
2021-05-20 17:33:30 <helby> agains whole alpine philoshopy and history, generation after us will judge us
2021-05-20 17:33:56 <MY-R> on libera.chat sals EXTERNAL working with cert but on OFTC only cert working or manualy identify to nickserv by command
2021-05-20 17:34:12 <helby> yes libera use sasl like freenode
2021-05-20 17:34:52 <MY-R> ye sasl PLAIN and EXTERNAL with cert working fine
2021-05-20 17:34:53 <helby> but our council wanted to move very fast like there is a war
2021-05-20 17:35:23 <Shiz> loosh: certfp is not sasl
2021-05-20 17:35:24 <MY-R> OFTC is stable network
2021-05-20 17:35:44 <Shiz> sasl external is a way to indicate to services that can check "an external mechanism", which may be certfp
2021-05-20 17:35:48 <Shiz> but you don't need sasl for certfp
2021-05-20 17:36:00 <Shiz> as is the case for oftc
2021-05-20 17:36:57 <Shiz> helby: no need for the insinuations against core :p
2021-05-20 17:37:26 <helby> why not? somebody has to pay for this mess :/
2021-05-20 17:37:40 <Shiz> sure, i'll gladly give you my bank account
2021-05-20 17:37:51 <Shiz> accepting payments for the movement stress :)
2021-05-20 17:37:57 <Sheila> Yes, and that somebody is over in freenode, not here
2021-05-20 17:38:10 <helby> no, he did nothing
2021-05-20 17:38:27 <helby> Shiz: if there will be vote, I vote for you, any position you will want :/
2021-05-20 17:38:38 <helby> Shiz: as u looks very smart person
2021-05-20 17:38:39 <nico[m]> yyp: fyi: I get k8s/ipv6only running on alpine, with the cgroupdriver change applied in between the kubeadm init https://code.ungleich.ch/ungleich-public/ungleich-k8s/-/tree/master/v3-calico
2021-05-20 17:40:21 <helby> also [m] is unacceptable!
2021-05-20 17:40:40 <loosh> Shiz › makes sense, ty for the clarification :)
2021-05-20 17:41:08 <Shiz> :)
2021-05-20 17:52:52 <lopid> "accessing the \#alpine-devel and \#alpine-linux channels"
2021-05-20 17:53:17 <yyp> nico[m]: context?
2021-05-20 17:54:29 <yyp> Is this about kubelet (now not) crashing?
2021-05-20 17:54:54 <nico[m]> yyp: kubernetes, kubelet
2021-05-20 17:55:17 <nico[m]> kubelet not crashing, but generating incorrect config.yaml with cgroupdriver = systemd
2021-05-20 18:24:09 <yyp> 
ACTION gets even more confused

2021-05-20 19:10:52 <helby> ... I don't want to talk about google captcha crap for verify nick here :/
2021-05-20 19:11:18 <anjan> Ya, I dont understand why they couldnt use email...
2021-05-20 19:15:16 <helby> normally I would close site with that, but I can't leave alpine while bad behaving council is doing all this to nice alpine people ;)
2021-05-20 19:26:23 <MY-R> helby: just wait when you will need add extra nick/aliases to your account ;)
2021-05-20 19:26:42 <helby> why should I?
2021-05-20 19:27:15 <helby> oftc looks like ancient crap
2021-05-20 19:27:22 <helby> they can maybe manage our wiki
2021-05-20 19:27:22 <MY-R> for every extra nick you need basically register new account and verify it and then link it to your master account :P
2021-05-20 19:27:39 <helby> oh master account, sounds coderlike :/
2021-05-20 19:28:01 <helby> I doubt somebody need extra nick
2021-05-20 19:28:19 <helby> maybe just thoso 'gods' from our council
2021-05-20 19:28:23 <helby> to hide from people!
2021-05-20 19:28:49 <MY-R> everyone should have one backup/alternative nick in case of disconnection when old session waiting for timeout
2021-05-20 19:29:31 <helby> with sasl it was never a problem, it always somehow enforce nick
2021-05-20 19:29:43 <helby> even I join 1 sec after closing client
2021-05-20 19:30:19 <MY-R> Im talking about ghost sessions caused mostly by network
2021-05-20 19:30:33 <helby> no idea what's that, never happen to me 
2021-05-20 19:30:38 <MY-R> but ye there are also commands to recover nick
2021-05-20 19:31:04 <helby> I used sasl-plain password and whatever happen, it always used my nick without _____ nonsense
2021-05-20 19:31:45 <helby> here now with shitty cert, not that I get spam from nickserv it even takes too long 
2021-05-20 19:31:54 <MY-R> lucky you
2021-05-20 19:32:30 <helby> it probably depends on how you join, not sure, without sasl it was an issue
2021-05-20 19:32:41 <MY-R> working for me great, even connecting to server faster than on freenode but it doesnt matter, IRC is IRC
2021-05-20 19:32:41 <ikke> MY-R: you know you can kick the old connection, right?
2021-05-20 19:32:58 <helby> kick council
2021-05-20 19:33:01 <ikke> oh, you just mention that
2021-05-20 19:33:35 <helby> ... maybe we need union
2021-05-20 19:33:53 <helby> before it get worse
2021-05-20 19:34:33 <MY-R> ikke: I know but I need script for it... so I always register alternative nick so irc clients wont need strugle with it
2021-05-20 19:37:17 <MY-R> or more like nicksrv wont be screaming at me ;)
2021-05-20 19:42:25 <petrj> wonder why the nickserv syntax was turned around. freenode: '/msg nickserv identify $user $pass', oftc: '/msg nickserv identify $pass $user'
2021-05-20 19:42:48 <ikke> different implementation
2021-05-20 19:43:08 <helby> it's good way how to send your password to somebody :D
2021-05-20 19:43:18 <helby> or create nick as pass
2021-05-20 19:43:26 <petrj> usually the order is username and password .. never seen password before user :) 
2021-05-20 19:43:48 <spiralw> user is optional, it defaults to the current nick iirc
2021-05-20 19:43:54 <spiralw> it makes sense
2021-05-20 19:43:59 <MY-R> ^ ye exactly
2021-05-20 19:48:34 <helby> I bet one can't even verify nick in oftc without javascript
2021-05-20 20:00:09 <Sheila> You are of course free to only interact with the project via gitlab or the mailing list
2021-05-20 20:02:17 <helby> mailing list? u meant infra last post 5 months ago and until today full of ;alkdfja spam?
2021-05-20 20:02:50 <helby> btw. gitlab requires google captcha too
2021-05-20 20:02:52 <MY-R> why, channel modes enforce only registered people to chat?
2021-05-20 20:03:17 <helby> council is repsonsible for everything
2021-05-20 20:03:43 <kmmndr> Hi all :-)
2021-05-20 20:03:48 <ikke> o.
2021-05-20 20:03:50 <ikke> o/
2021-05-20 20:04:01 <petrj> heya
2021-05-20 20:04:05 <spiralw> hewo
2021-05-20 21:03:14 <thebtm> I know I just asked this on freenode but I am having issues with ClamAV in Diskless mode on RPi2b+ 3.13.5. The Error I am getting is `WARNING: Stderr output from database load : LibClamAV debug: Initialized 0.103.2 engine [...] LibClamAV debug: daily.ndu loaded` `ERROR: Database load killed by signal 9`
2021-05-20 21:04:04 <Thermi> signal 9 is sigsev, so that's a programming error
2021-05-20 21:04:09 <thebtm> the command is `freshclam --datadir=/media/mmcblk0p1/clamav/ -u root --debug`
2021-05-20 21:04:18 <Thermi> download gdb and start the failing application with it
2021-05-20 21:04:28 <Thermi> also download the debug symbols, if they are available
2021-05-20 21:04:50 <Thermi> you either need to debug this yourself, or at the very least open an issue on aports so it can be tracked
2021-05-20 21:05:17 <thebtm> is there a how to for opening an issue on aports?
2021-05-20 21:06:27 <Thermi> lol
2021-05-20 21:06:36 <Thermi> it's register on alpine gitlabs and hit "open an issue"
2021-05-20 21:06:43 <Thermi> it's all evident once you see it
2021-05-20 21:06:50 <Thermi> aports is just a gitlab repo
2021-05-20 21:06:59 <thebtm> Ah, fair. I can do that.
2021-05-20 21:06:59 <Thermi> Here https://gitlab.alpinelinux.org/alpine/aports
2021-05-20 21:09:56 <MY-R> thebtm: did ClamAV work before like should?
2021-05-20 21:10:08 <thebtm> It's a fresh install
2021-05-20 21:11:07 <MY-R> since it is diskless mode then need to be sure if /media/mmcblk0p1/clamav/ is writable
2021-05-20 21:12:45 <MY-R> and it is your first partition so probably your file system is FAT, dunno if clamav like it - just my 2 cents
2021-05-20 21:14:01 <Exagone313> sigsegv is 11, 9 is sigkill (oom kill?)
2021-05-20 21:15:42 <MY-R> how big can be clamav database?
2021-05-20 21:17:07 <MY-R> and free ram depends from amount of apps installed in diskless mode
2021-05-20 21:19:19 <thebtm> yeah, /media/mmcblk0p1/clamav/ mounts rw
2021-05-20 21:20:10 <thebtm> htop says 424M/923M used
2021-05-20 21:21:00 <thebtm> And yes its FAT32 16GB SD card.
2021-05-20 21:24:05 <MY-R> thebtm: sadly Exagone313 can have right
2021-05-20 21:25:04 <thebtm> I didn't kill the task so it was done after the error. I will open up an incident on aports.
2021-05-20 21:28:17 <MY-R> thebtm: from quick googling looks like freshclam need weird too much ram
2021-05-20 21:29:58 <thebtm> good call, I will have htop open in another ssh window and monitor it before submitting the issue on aports
2021-05-20 21:31:44 <MY-R> thebtm: nothing interesting in "dmesg" ?
2021-05-20 21:33:24 <thebtm> Its a ram issue, as soon as the RAM gets full, it crashes the freshclam process
2021-05-20 21:34:03 <thebtm> `Out of memory: Killed process 2561 (freshclam) total-vm:521304kB, anon-rss:495864kB, file-rss:0kB, shmem-rss:2684kB, UID:0 pgtables:508kB oom_score_adj:0`
2021-05-20 21:36:37 <MY-R> yeah :\
2021-05-20 21:40:29 <thebtm> Sorry for not noticing that sooner, RPis are new to me. Last role I had, the machines I built were 4GB min.
2021-05-20 21:45:32 <MY-R> thebtm: dont apologise, it is irc, you can ask for help or try to help, nobody get hurts :)
2021-05-20 21:46:00 <thebtm> Thank You for the help. Also added a 2GB swap file from USB, lets see how it goes ><
2021-05-20 21:47:21 <xordspar0> Haha, memory over USB, that should be fun. I'm curious to see how it goes though. :)
2021-05-20 21:49:22 <thebtm> HA HA, If this fails, I could try Memory over SD Card.
2021-05-20 21:53:24 <thebtm> Got farther now then I did before. it completed daily.cvd and now its moving onto main.cvd
2021-05-20 21:54:26 <jjuran> Memory over Turing tape
2021-05-20 21:54:48 <helby> anything better than my memory :/
2021-05-20 21:58:04 <thebtm> Hey, Success. Now I am running a scan of the system.
2021-05-20 22:01:41 <petrj> exiting times
2021-05-20 22:02:32 <MY-R> thebtm: clamav recomendations about memory ... 2G+ so dont be suprised if something get kill from time to time :P
2021-05-20 22:05:53 <thebtm> Yeah, I suspect I am going to have to find a different solution. Scanning directly on the Pi 2 doesn't seem practical.
2021-05-20 22:06:25 <thebtm> maybe could do an sshfs mount and scan via that way.
2021-05-20 22:09:07 <MY-R> thebtm: what you wanna scan with clamav? mail boxes?
2021-05-20 22:09:40 <thebtm> specialized software
2021-05-20 22:12:41 <MY-R> ook
2021-05-20 22:30:20 <thebtm> I honestly not sure how else to describe it beyond that. its just compiled C code.
2021-05-20 22:33:02 <Hello71> probably not useful
2021-05-20 23:08:20 <thebtm> Hour or so later, Successful scan. Thank you for the help.
2021-05-20 23:13:34 <MY-R> :)
2021-05-21 00:34:43 <helby> I love you all ;) however I can't be part of this oftc nonsense. See you somewhere else
2021-05-21 01:10:25 <invoked> "oftc nonsense"
2021-05-21 01:11:25 <MY-R> :D
2021-05-21 01:12:10 <zcrayfish> Famous last words. :)
2021-05-21 02:04:05 <iggy> I love how everybody is jumping ship from freenode (which has been pretty shithouse for a few years now) to a new network that is run by the same people that were running the network they somehow let themselves get maneuvered out of to begin with
2021-05-21 02:21:28 <zcrayfish> doesn't OFTC have some opers in common?
2021-05-21 02:55:30 <LACampbell> iggy: I'm just following the channels I hang out in. a lot of them have stayed put
2021-05-21 02:55:38 <LACampbell> this one moved, so I moved
2021-05-21 03:00:03 <iggy> same, but project wise it's wildly differing responses... some projects don't care at all, some are just fleeing the drama, and some are noisily picking sides... I'm more of a fan of what Alpine did... if you've got to leave, don't pick sides, go to switzerland (neutral territory)
2021-05-21 03:00:55 <carmiker> this place is nice and boring, and already hosted some high profile projects
2021-05-21 03:01:13 <ValeraRozuvan> Just wait a few weeks. It will pick up.
2021-05-21 06:00:54 <Forza> iggy: I think they got the ownership right on libera.chat now so a takeover won't happen so easily in the future 
2021-05-21 06:15:46 <Ariadne> it does not matter
2021-05-21 06:15:53 <Ariadne> we already made a decision
2021-05-21 06:16:32 <Ariadne> anyone who wishes to discuss the libera.chat vs freenode vs oftc situation can find other venues to do so
2021-05-21 06:16:50 <Ariadne> but as far as alpine is concerned, this is a done deal
2021-05-21 06:16:51 <Ariadne> thanks
2021-05-21 06:19:35 <Ariadne> (#apine-offtopic may be an acceptable venue)
2021-05-21 11:35:26 <nickavem[m]> Is there an apk equivalent to `dnf provides` in red hat?
2021-05-21 11:39:11 <lopid> sounds like "apk search -e cmd:foo" so:foo, etc might do it
2021-05-21 11:39:37 <lopid> https://docs.alpinelinux.org/user-handbook/0.1a/Working/apk.html#_searching_for_packages
2021-05-21 11:48:35 <nickavem[m]> Thanks!
2021-05-21 12:55:51 <eletrotupi> hm, I've noticed
2021-05-21 12:56:06 <eletrotupi> that I have both python3.8 *and* python3.9 installed
2021-05-21 12:56:16 <eletrotupi> and I have no clue on how that ended up like that
2021-05-21 12:56:39 <eletrotupi> also for some reason packages installed via apk are going on the 3.9 site-packages
2021-05-21 12:57:24 <ikke> Did you enable the edge repo on 3.13?
2021-05-21 12:58:11 <eletrotupi> yeah, I have edge/{community,testing} enabled
2021-05-21 12:58:39 <ikke> Then that's where you get python 3.9 from
2021-05-21 13:00:34 <eletrotupi> But then why python3 points to python3.8?
2021-05-21 15:21:12 <tetrapod> Hey! I got "http://dl-cdn.alpinelinux.org/alpine/v3.13/main" in my /etc/apk/repositories , but when I run `apk update` it tells me "no such file or directory"
2021-05-21 15:21:18 <tetrapod> Any idea on how to fix that? 
2021-05-21 15:22:25 <yyp> Try using https:// version instead
2021-05-21 15:46:34 <tetrapod> I retyped it manually and it worked. Odd 
2021-05-21 15:46:43 <tetrapod> Thx for the suggestion tho :) 
2021-05-21 16:35:40 <iggy> Ariadne: nobody was discussing the decision made by alpine (other than me saying I liked it), we were just generally discussing the topic, but yeah, -offtopic is a better place
2021-05-21 16:52:43 <Ut_Pwnsim> UR NOOB IRCD GOT PWNED BY LALBORNOZ FROM MIDIPIX / IRC.LIBERA.CHAT #MIDIPIX
2021-05-21 16:53:25 <artok> wtf
2021-05-21 16:55:02 <ikke> pitty spam
2021-05-21 16:55:18 <yyp> ^
2021-05-21 16:55:20 <Monkeh> There's always angry children
2021-05-21 16:58:46 <Ariadne> ic
2021-05-21 16:58:55 <Ariadne> so the spam has spread to here
2021-05-21 16:58:57 <Ariadne> bummer
2021-05-21 16:59:09 <ikke> It's kindof expected
2021-05-21 16:59:28 <Ariadne> yeah OFTC is one of the recommended replacements
2021-05-21 17:01:17 <Monkeh> Anywhere you go the spammers will follow, it's the only joy in their lives
2021-05-21 17:06:08 <app4soft> UR NOOB IRCD GOT PWNED BY LALBORNOZ FROM MIDIPIX / IRC.LIBERA.CHAT #MIDIPIX
2021-05-21 17:06:29 <spiralw> nice
2021-05-21 17:18:33 <thebtm> Morning, Just wondering if anybody has been able to get Alpine booted in qemu using cortex-a7 raspi2 and boot an already created image from a RPi 2 SD card?
2021-05-21 17:27:45 <Slence> Yay, I found you.
2021-05-21 17:27:53 <ikke> Slence: welcome
2021-05-21 17:27:55 <Slence> Thanks!
2021-05-21 17:28:03 <Slence> I first thought you moved to Libera.
2021-05-21 19:03:40 <rapha> you can join, there, too :)
2021-05-21 19:03:52 <rapha> having 2 parties at once, try that in real life!
2021-05-21 19:30:34 <jjuran> With one tuchas, you can't dance at two weddings.
2021-05-21 20:05:10 <Guest4369> Aw
2021-05-21 20:35:24 <Slence> Quite an impressive move of users already.
2021-05-21 21:10:24 <samuraikid> Cheers !
2021-05-21 21:10:55 <jf> :)
2021-05-21 21:11:04 <ikke> o/
2021-05-21 23:04:25 <thebtm> I am out for the long weekend (canada). Have a great weekend everyone ^^
2021-05-22 03:28:36 <LACampbell> Slence: I will follow alpine linux anywhere except discord :)
2021-05-22 03:40:10 <Pr1muZ> lol
2021-05-22 04:19:27 <Slence> Truth!
2021-05-22 04:19:39 <Slence> Or systemd.
2021-05-22 07:22:28 <agris> How do I prevent apk fix linux-lts from purging out all of my non-alpine related initramfs from /boot?
2021-05-22 07:27:37 <ikke> agris: looking at the trigger script, I don't see a trivial way
2021-05-22 07:28:00 <ikke> one trick you could do: apk add -t mkinitfs
2021-05-22 07:28:12 <ikke> this will add a virtual mkinitfs package without anything
2021-05-22 10:09:37 <donoban> I noticed that my shell doesn't get new programs on autocompletion after install them, until I reopen it
2021-05-22 10:09:44 <donoban> could be related with zsh?
2021-05-22 10:09:59 <donoban> ups
2021-05-22 10:10:19 <ikke> rehash
2021-05-22 10:10:20 <donoban> s/after install them/after reopen it/
2021-05-22 10:10:20 <alpine-meetbot> donoban meant to say: I noticed that my shell doesn't get new programs on autocompletion after reopen it, until I reopen it
2021-05-22 10:10:31 <ikke> zsh caches binaries in $PATH
2021-05-22 10:10:38 <ikke> with rehash, you update that cache
2021-05-22 10:10:51 <donoban> ah great
2021-05-22 10:11:17 <donoban> could be it called with apk? if $SHELL....
2021-05-22 10:32:34 <Sheila> That cache is per user, so unfortunately not
2021-05-22 10:36:13 <Jenkler> Thanks ikke ;)
2021-05-22 10:36:25 <ikke> Jenkler: welcome!
2021-05-22 10:36:46 <ikke> Sorry for the additional trouble, but the whole freenode mess comes with a lot of spam
2021-05-22 10:37:01 <Jenkler> do we have offtopic devel here also ?
2021-05-22 10:37:04 <ikke> yes
2021-05-22 10:37:09 <ikke> every channel is present here
2021-05-22 10:37:12 <donoban> ah thanks Sheila 
2021-05-22 10:37:18 <Jenkler> nice 
2021-05-22 10:37:31 <donoban> I can't enter it
2021-05-22 10:37:42 <ikke> donoban: what can't you enter?
2021-05-22 10:37:47 <donoban> ah lol
2021-05-22 10:37:50 <donoban> I need to identify my nick
2021-05-22 10:37:51 <ikke> yes
2021-05-22 10:37:56 <donoban> SALS fails
2021-05-22 10:38:17 <ikke> oftc uses certfp
2021-05-22 10:39:39 <donoban> uHm I should take a look on it
2021-05-22 10:40:13 <ikke> https://www.oftc.net/NickServ/CertFP/
2021-05-22 10:40:23 <donoban> thx
2021-05-22 14:56:00 <marverix> Hello, recently I received some old Pandaboards ES B3. Yeah, I know that those are pretty old, but wanted to play around with those, and see what I can do with it. I followed those https://forum.digikey.com/t/debian-getting-started-with-the-pandaboard/12839#PandaBoard-PandaBoardESRevB3:NewMemoryTimings instruction to get Ubuntu running, but I wanted something more lightweight, so I thought about Alpine Linux. I compiled kernel 4.20, u-boot with 
2021-05-22 14:56:00 <marverix> patch for a B3 revision, and copied minimalrootfs of Alpine. OS boot up, and is asking me to log in. But whenever I give "root" as user, it immediatly shows "Login incorrect", and don't even ask for a password or anything. Ah, I took alpine 3.7.8, as it was last version that had omap4 support I guess (?).  
2021-05-22 14:56:35 <marverix> Unfortunately this page is still WiP and it's not much help either... https://wiki.alpinelinux.org/wiki/Alpine_on_ARM#Install_Alpine_on_supported_SoCs
2021-05-22 14:57:12 <ikke> marverix: I guess you first need to set a root password
2021-05-22 14:58:26 <marverix> ikke: Ok. You mean by editing the /etc/shadow ?
2021-05-22 14:58:58 <ikke> something like that
2021-05-22 14:59:13 <marverix> Ok, thanks, I will try
2021-05-22 15:19:33 <marverix> ikke: I set password for root, but still I cannot log in (yes, I removed "!"). I have created own account, and I can log in. But now I have next problem. When I'm trying to run "apk upgrade", I'm getting "ERROR: Unable to lock database: Read-only file system". So it's problem with my fstab?
2021-05-22 15:20:10 <ikke> what does `mount` return?
2021-05-22 15:20:27 <marverix> no /proc/mounts
2021-05-22 15:21:30 <ikke> try mount -t proc proc /proc
2021-05-22 15:22:13 <marverix> huh, I'm getting permission denied... as I'm not a root. I have added myself to group "adm" but not "root"
2021-05-22 15:22:56 <ikke> oh
2021-05-22 15:23:04 <ikke> I guess you should fix that first
2021-05-22 15:23:07 <marverix> ok
2021-05-22 15:23:08 <ikke> how did you set the root password?
2021-05-22 15:29:03 <hoen> Try mount -o remount,rw /
2021-05-22 15:29:18 <ikke> would probably also not work without root
2021-05-22 15:37:34 <hoen> Can you edit your fstab?
2021-05-22 15:40:49 <marverix> sorry, I needed to help with my daughter
2021-05-22 15:44:07 <marverix> "how did you set the root password?" I basicly copy-pasted the root line from my host /etc/shadow
2021-05-22 15:44:14 <ikke> ok
2021-05-22 15:44:19 <marverix> but still no luck - I cannot login as root
2021-05-22 15:45:27 <marverix> my user is in groups "marverix root adm tty cdrom dialout input" and I'm still getting permission denied
2021-05-22 15:46:08 <ikke> yeah, adm only gives limited extra permissions
2021-05-22 15:46:38 <marverix> "su root" gives "su: must be suid to work properly"
2021-05-22 15:47:40 <ikke> error: Cannot set `RUSTC_BOOTSTRAP=1` from build script of `obfstr v0.2.1`.
2021-05-22 15:47:42 <ikke> note: Crates cannot set `RUSTC_BOOTSTRAP` themselves, as doing so would subvert the stability guarantees of Rust for your project.
2021-05-22 15:47:46 <ikke> sorry
2021-05-22 15:51:35 <jole> Hey. I am setting up raid0 on an alpine server, however it is not mounted automatically. The fstab is set up and if i manually run `mount /dev/md0` then it does indeed mount. Does it try to mount the device before the mdadm-raid service has time to start? I cannot find any logs from fstab
2021-05-22 15:52:32 <ikke> jole: did you set it to automount?
2021-05-22 15:52:55 <ikke> n/m
2021-05-22 15:55:49 <marverix> ikke, hoen: I chmod 4755 /bin/busybox. I logged in as my user. Then su root worked. Then I mount -o remount,rw / And it worked. Now I need somehow figure out why I have no internet connection... Ideas? :)
2021-05-22 15:56:49 <marverix> ifconfig prints nothing
2021-05-22 15:57:04 <marverix> LEDs on the ethernet port does not blink
2021-05-22 16:01:25 <hoen> marverix what ethernetcard do you usw?
2021-05-22 16:02:18 <ikke> marverix: the problem is that the minirootfs is not really meant to be booted, so it misses things that you normally need
2021-05-22 16:02:33 <ikke> things like firmware, openrc
2021-05-22 16:02:41 <marverix> ehhh
2021-05-22 16:02:47 <marverix> so what can I do?
2021-05-22 16:03:06 <ikke> How did you manage to boot this?
2021-05-22 16:03:47 <marverix> as I wrote previosly, to build u-boot and kernel I used the tutorial on digikey.com that I mentioned above
2021-05-22 16:07:43 <marverix> modprobe -a smsc95xx worked - I got network interface up
2021-05-22 16:07:55 <marverix> but probably dhcp is not up
2021-05-22 16:08:17 <ikke> marverix: what does rc-status return?
2021-05-22 16:08:33 <marverix> rc-status: not found :D
2021-05-22 16:08:38 <marverix> haha, yeah minimalrootfs
2021-05-22 16:08:41 <ikke> yeah, that explains
2021-05-22 16:08:52 <ikke> so no services that install firmware or enable network
2021-05-22 16:09:01 <marverix> awesome :D
2021-05-22 16:09:02 <ikke> try apk add alpine-base
2021-05-22 16:10:23 <marverix> hmm, can I download apks manualy to the SD card and install apks from file?
2021-05-22 16:12:37 <marverix> in alpine-uboot-3.7.3-armhf.tar.gz there is a lot of apks inside
2021-05-22 16:12:45 <marverix> can I use them?
2021-05-22 16:14:17 <ikke> I think so
2021-05-22 16:21:00 <marverix> I installed all packages with apk add ./*.apk
2021-05-22 16:21:47 <marverix> can I use somehow APKINDEX.tar.gz ?
2021-05-22 16:22:47 <marverix> heeeey! now after reboot I can login as root directly!
2021-05-22 16:23:08 <ikke> oh wow
2021-05-22 16:23:18 <ikke> I guess something was missing :)
2021-05-22 16:23:31 <marverix> but still no success with dhcp :(
2021-05-22 16:24:20 <marverix> rc-status: Runlevel: default, Dynamic Runlevel: hotplugged, Dynamic Runlevel: needed/wanted
2021-05-22 16:24:31 <marverix> sysfs, fsck, root, localmount klogd
2021-05-22 16:24:38 <marverix> Dynamic Runlevel: manual
2021-05-22 16:24:38 <marverix> end
2021-05-22 16:26:06 <marverix> heyyy! working
2021-05-22 16:26:14 <marverix> setup-interfaces eth0
2021-05-22 16:26:21 <marverix> rc-service networking restart
2021-05-22 16:26:26 <marverix> yeeeey! :D
2021-05-22 16:26:35 <gjabell> I have a diskless alpine install and I want to update the kernel, but running update-kernel gives me "no space" errors because it's trying to save things to the modloop, which is tiny
2021-05-22 16:26:46 <gjabell> anyone know if there's extra setup I need to do first?
2021-05-22 16:28:55 <marverix> wooo, so awesome! Alpine Linux on old Pandaboard ES Rev B3 :D ant Python 3.6.9 :D sooo nice
2021-05-22 16:29:11 <marverix> thanks ikke and hoen for help!
2021-05-22 16:29:28 <ikke> nice it worked out for you!
2021-05-22 16:29:49 <marverix> Maybe I will write some blog post about it
2021-05-22 17:24:13 <Darksecond> huh. if I don't have 'hostname localhost' below the 'iface eth0...' line, it will have errors at bootup. (syntax error: unexpected word) in /usr/libexec/ifupdown-ng/dhcp
2021-05-22 17:24:45 <ikke> Ariadne: ^
2021-05-22 17:25:16 <Darksecond> this is with a image made with alpine-make-vm-image, looks like a normal installed version doesn't replicate it :o
2021-05-22 17:25:20 <Ariadne> what is your hostname actually set to?
2021-05-22 17:25:33 <Darksecond> 'localhost', in both VM's
2021-05-22 17:25:58 <Ariadne> what does ifquery -P eth0 say without the hostname line?
2021-05-22 17:26:58 <Darksecond> https://pastebin.com/Ei2scfkx on both VM's
2021-05-22 17:27:48 <Ariadne> is this alpine 3.13?
2021-05-22 17:28:16 <Darksecond> yes
2021-05-22 17:28:27 <Darksecond> if I switch my alpine-make-vm-image to 2.12 it works fine
2021-05-22 17:29:12 <Ariadne> i think this is already fixed in edge
2021-05-22 17:29:35 <Ariadne> please open a bug in aports project and i will do the backport as i have time
2021-05-22 17:30:45 <Darksecond> Will do, any idea why this is not broken on a normal installed VM? I can't find many differences
2021-05-22 17:34:39 <Ariadne> no idea
2021-05-22 17:34:56 <Ariadne> maybe ifup --force --verbose eth0 might be enlightening
2021-05-22 17:34:59 <Darksecond> and it only has those errors on bootup, not when manually starting/stopping the service
2021-05-22 17:35:13 <Ariadne> has the hostname service been started?
2021-05-22 17:35:41 <Ariadne> linux defaults to empty-string for hostname
2021-05-22 17:35:44 <Ariadne> which would cause this
2021-05-22 17:36:11 <Ariadne> perhaps alpine-make-vm-image puts hostname service after networking
2021-05-22 17:36:52 <Ariadne> if so, you would have "dhcp-hostname [empty string]" as the dhcp-hostname statement
2021-05-22 17:38:08 <Darksecond> ah, looks like the example in alpine-make-vm-image puts 'networking' in the sysinit runlevel, not in the 'boot' runlevel where it is for the normally installed version. moving it to the boot runlevel fixed it.
2021-05-22 17:40:18 <Darksecond> Thanks for the help! :)
2021-05-22 17:47:03 <Ariadne> that would explain it yes :)
2021-05-22 17:47:21 <Ariadne> i think the correct fix is for the networking service to require hostname
2021-05-22 17:47:23 <Ariadne> i will fix it for 3.14
2021-05-22 17:47:44 <ikke> Ariadne: would that also work across runlevels?
2021-05-22 17:47:49 <Ariadne> yes
2021-05-22 17:47:52 <ikke> ok
2021-05-22 17:48:25 <Ariadne> oh
2021-05-22 17:48:27 <Ariadne> but we can't
2021-05-22 17:48:43 <Ariadne> grr :)
2021-05-22 17:49:07 <Ariadne> this is why i hate openrc
2021-05-22 17:49:18 <ikke> lol
2021-05-22 17:49:42 <Ariadne> hostname service is restricted to non-docker,non-lxc
2021-05-22 17:49:50 <Ariadne> but networking needs to run in lxc
2021-05-22 17:51:05 <Ariadne> i think the solution is for ifupdown-ng to cry murder if no hostname is set
2021-05-22 17:51:06 <Ariadne> :)
2021-05-22 17:52:19 <Darksecond> is it documented somewhere that you should add 'networking' to the 'boot' runlevel and not just do 'rc-update add networking' ?
2021-05-22 17:52:41 <nickavem[m]> is there a way to get apk to always install the additional `-doc` packages if available?
2021-05-22 17:53:29 <ikke> apk add dpcs
2021-05-22 17:54:47 <nickavem[m]> Thanks!
2021-05-22 18:30:52 <nickersonm> Strange disk partitioning error I'm getting: /dev/sdb* is removed after a partprobe /dev/sdb.  Running alpine-virt install on virtualbox, with latest-stable repositories.  Am I missing something obvious?  https://paste.ee/p/Samn6
2021-05-22 18:36:30 <nickersonm> Oh, and lsblk can always see the partitions.
2021-05-22 20:11:32 <jole> ikke: how would i know if it is set to automount?
2021-05-22 20:12:31 <jole> relavant fstab entry is `/dev/md0 /array xfs defaults 0 0`
2021-05-22 20:13:12 <ikke> Is the localmount service enabled?
2021-05-22 20:13:48 <jole> rc-service localmount status: started
2021-05-22 20:17:17 <jole> where would i find relavant logs from fstab?
2021-05-22 20:20:20 <ikke> /var/log/messages or dmesg
2021-05-22 20:22:18 <jole> in dmesg i find `/dev/md0: Can't open blockdev`
2021-05-22 20:25:23 <jole> that was at 5s, at 11s i get `md: md0 stopped.` and then on the next line `md0: detected capacity change from 0 to 2000138797056`, seems like it tries to mount /dev/md0 before it's created?
2021-05-22 20:32:10 <MY-R> nickersonm: restart "mdev" service
2021-05-22 20:33:57 <jole> MY-R, are you talking to me? this happens on every boot
2021-05-22 20:35:07 <MY-R> jole: no, it was to nickersonm 
2021-05-22 20:35:50 <nickersonm> MY-R: that works, thanks!
2021-05-22 20:37:05 <ikke> jole: what does rc-status --all return?
2021-05-22 20:37:33 <Darksecond> should I use nfsmount or netmount?
2021-05-22 21:36:09 <Hello71> nickersonm: strictly speaking it's probably not the cause, but virtualbox sucks anyways
2021-05-22 23:30:16 <nickersonm> Hello71: I'll switch to qemu at some point, but I already have my workflow set up in vbox
2021-05-22 23:30:31 <Hello71> i mean... you don't though :p
2021-05-22 23:30:51 <nickersonm> my virtualization workflow; within the VM is different ;)
2021-05-23 05:17:20 <rna> 
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2021-05-23 09:12:31 <Darksecond> does alpine have a package to automatically grow the rootfs, like ubuntu has with cloud-initramfs-growroot? Or do I have to write my own? :)
2021-05-23 09:13:11 <ikke> cloud-utils-growpart
2021-05-23 09:13:54 <Darksecond> oh thanks!
2021-05-23 09:14:28 <ikke> And there is cloud-init as a general framework
2021-05-23 09:14:54 <Darksecond> that's too heavy for my tastes ^^
2021-05-23 09:16:48 <Darksecond> I need like 3 cloud-init features; might write my own little stub for it :D
2021-05-23 09:17:33 <ikke> `https://pkgs.alpinelinux.org/package/edge/community/x86_64/cloud-utils
2021-05-23 09:35:08 <raven523> 0/list #manjaro
2021-05-23 09:35:12 <raven523> whoops mispaste
2021-05-23 11:46:47 <Hello71> manjaro sucks anyways
2021-05-23 11:48:06 <raven523> not disagreeing
2021-05-23 11:55:38 <Darksecond> What is the status of 'alpine-lift', looks like a nice cloud-init alternative?
2021-05-23 12:00:07 <Hello71> if no answer then try #alpine-cloud
2021-05-23 14:02:41 <lopid> there's no procmail package?
2021-05-23 14:05:28 <lopid> oh, fdm now :/
2021-05-23 14:06:36 <lopid> only in testing, for over a year
2021-05-23 15:44:59 <nico[m]> I get `Path /var/lib/kubelet is mounted on / but it is not a shared mount.` when deploying kubevirt on top of Alpine/netbooted. While technically not necessarily an Alpine problem, I was wondering if anyone else in here has seen (and maybe even solved) before?
2021-05-23 15:47:57 <Hello71> not sure exactly why it wants shared but it will probably be less grumpy if you do mount --make-private /
2021-05-23 15:48:03 <Hello71> maybe need apk add util-linux first
2021-05-23 15:50:19 <nico[m]> Hello71: I think it is complaining about being *not* shared, not about being shared
2021-05-23 15:50:26 <Hello71> er
2021-05-23 15:50:28 <Hello71> --make-shared
2021-05-23 15:50:37 <Hello71> kernel default is private, systemd switches to shared
2021-05-23 15:50:38 <nico[m]> If I assues `mount --make-shared /`, the pods cannot be terminated anymore
2021-05-23 15:50:58 <nico[m]> I wonder if that's related to / being tmpfs
2021-05-23 15:51:26 <Hello71> probably not
2021-05-23 15:52:02 <nico[m]> I can see that multiple posts recommend for docker (which I am not using) to use mountflags=shared in the systemd kubelet unit (which I am not using either)
2021-05-23 18:57:03 <the_cat> hi everyone, would this be an acceptable place to discuss the future of alpine/openrc?
2021-05-23 18:57:34 <the_cat> specifically: is there any worry with the decline of mr. marple's health?
2021-05-23 18:57:51 <WeblordPepe> 
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2021-05-23 18:58:29 <yyp> the_cat: probably yes, if it's about the project direction
2021-05-23 18:59:09 <the_cat> i guess i am trying to get a long-term feelout of the alpine team on it's future
2021-05-23 18:59:41 <the_cat> it's very unfortunate i wish roy all the best with his health an 100% understand why he would want to step down from all his projects
2021-05-23 19:00:13 <ikke> was Roy Marple involved with openrc?
2021-05-23 19:00:36 <the_cat> at least he used to be
2021-05-23 19:00:46 <the_cat> it was his project but i dunno how much stewardship openrc people have taken
2021-05-23 19:00:57 <the_cat> s/openrc/gentoo/
2021-05-23 19:00:57 <alpine-meetbot> the_cat meant to say: it was his project but i dunno how much stewardship gentoo people have taken
2021-05-23 19:01:42 <ikke> There is an #openrc channel (still on freenode)
2021-05-23 19:01:49 <ikke> WilliamH is maintaining openrc mostly
2021-05-23 19:02:07 <the_cat> i thought i read somewhere some musings about s6
2021-05-23 19:02:36 <ikke> Yes, there are plans for the future
2021-05-23 19:03:34 <the_cat> where do you see alpine in 2 years
2021-05-23 19:03:38 <the_cat> init wise
2021-05-23 19:05:13 <yyp> It might switch to s6, it might not. But this would certainly be a pain for everyone maintaining software on Alpine because they would all need to rewrite init scripts
2021-05-23 19:05:41 <the_cat> oh yes that is a grande mal effort indeed
2021-05-23 19:06:01 <the_cat> in my opinion one worth undertaking if s6 has better functionality and openrc is losing a maintainer
2021-05-23 19:06:04 <ikke> https://ariadne.space/2021/03/25/lets-build-a-new-service-manager-for-alpine/
2021-05-23 19:06:18 <the_cat> that's the musing i stumbled upon a bit ago!
2021-05-23 19:06:21 <ikke> https://skarnet.com/projects/service-manager.html
2021-05-23 20:01:18 <Ariadne> yyp: there are only a few hundred init scripts in alpine
2021-05-23 20:01:33 <Ariadne> many are already written in openrc declarative style
2021-05-23 20:01:53 <Ariadne> so, it is not as extreme as you might think, a lot of them can be converted automatically
2021-05-23 20:02:24 <Ariadne> we have been pushing the declarative style for the past several years in preparation to deprecate openrc
2021-05-23 20:13:36 <lopid> where's the 'apk search' man page?
2021-05-23 20:14:09 <ikke> awol
2021-05-23 20:14:16 <lopid> ok
2021-05-23 20:14:28 <ikke> You could open an issue on the apk-tools project
2021-05-23 20:15:20 <lopid> how do i / can i search on package description?
2021-05-23 20:15:50 <lopid> without using grep :)
2021-05-23 20:17:31 <zcrayfish> use the site parameter in a google search.
2021-05-23 20:18:05 <zcrayfish> something like: https://www.google.com/search?q=fonts+site:pkgs.alpinelinux.org
2021-05-23 20:18:07 <zcrayfish> 
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2021-05-23 20:20:02 <lopid> postfix doesn't support the hash table type. i though adding berkeley db support (the "db" package) might change that, but alas not. is it something that must be compiled in?
2021-05-23 20:20:43 <ikke> yes
2021-05-23 20:20:53 <lopid> damn
2021-05-23 20:20:54 <ikke> We dropped it because the old bdb has security fixes
2021-05-23 20:21:00 <ikke> security issues*
2021-05-23 20:21:08 <ikke> and the newer versions cannot be combined with postfix
2021-05-23 20:22:25 <lopid> 
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2021-05-23 20:22:46 <ikke> https://wiki.alpinelinux.org/wiki/Release_Notes_for_Alpine_3.13.0#Deprecation_of_Berkeley_DB_.28BDB.29
2021-05-23 20:23:33 <lopid> aha, thanks
2021-05-23 20:24:27 <lopid> is there an rss/atom feed of such changes?
2021-05-23 20:29:00 <lopid> ah, i see it was in the upgrade notes for 3.13.0. no such feed for https://www.alpinelinux.org/posts/ ?
2021-05-23 20:30:21 <ikke> It's on the front-page
2021-05-23 20:30:28 <ikke> https://www.alpinelinux.org/atom.xml
2021-05-23 20:30:51 <lopid> oh, thanks. my browser didn't pick it up
2021-05-23 21:18:13 <samuraikid> +w
2021-05-23 21:48:41 <Tych> The s6 proposal sounds really nice
2021-05-23 21:49:07 <Tych> I don't mind donating a bit to it but I'm just a regular person, I think he is looking more for corporate sponsorship?
2021-05-23 21:49:26 <Tych> Would make sense considering how many corps use alpine for their docker stuff
2021-05-23 21:50:25 <Sheila> yes, we're hoping a corporate sponsorship turns up.
2021-05-23 21:51:58 <Tych> I'll ask around in work too but I doubt any manager will want to take it on their budget
2021-05-23 21:52:43 <Tych> That's always the issue with stuff like this, on a company scale it's nothing but when it gets billed to a department it's a lo9t
2021-05-23 21:52:57 <Tych> s/lo9t/lot
2021-05-23 21:52:57 <alpine-meetbot> Tych meant to say: That's always the issue with stuff like this, on a company scale it's nothing but when it gets billed to a department it's a lot
2021-05-24 02:09:36 <riverdc> what would it take to get alpine running on the pinebook pro?
2021-05-24 02:11:55 <riverdc> (I read on Drew DeVault's blog that it doesn't work currently, but he didn't explain exactly why)
2021-05-24 02:35:54 <ngortheone> I got an impression that there are boot problems
2021-05-24 02:36:04 <ngortheone> but past boot everything should work
2021-05-24 05:41:36 <LACampbell> riverdc: nothing useful to add but if you get stuff working keep me in the loop. I could probably go for a pinebook pro for 90% of what I do
2021-05-24 05:50:52 <yabobay> i've installed alpine on a HP laptop, and then did setup-xorg-base, and added myself to video group, and installed awesome (which i have not used). xorg doesn't recognise any inputs at all. what's going on?
2021-05-24 05:51:51 <lopid> but it starts?
2021-05-24 05:52:47 <yabobay> it starts, and it shows me the default awesome setup and such.
2021-05-24 05:53:03 <yabobay> it's been a bit so now the screen's turned off and i can't turn it back on with inputs :/
2021-05-24 05:53:13 <lopid> anything in the xorg log?
2021-05-24 05:53:28 <yabobay> does the log stay if i force reboot?
2021-05-24 05:53:38 <lopid> it should do
2021-05-24 05:54:19 <yabobay> also i've noticed that setup-alpine gave me swap by default. i do not like this. was there an option to not have swap?
2021-05-24 05:57:14 <lopid> i'm sure there would have been
2021-05-24 05:58:03 <yabobay> ok so now, where would my xorg log be?
2021-05-24 05:58:20 <lopid> /var/log
2021-05-24 05:59:49 <yabobay> i have acpid.log, dmesg, messages, and wtmp
2021-05-24 06:00:16 <raven523> what about ~/.local/share/xorg?
2021-05-24 06:00:40 <lopid> hrm. maybe alpine doesn't log that. i don't run xorg in alpine
2021-05-24 06:01:00 <yabobay> alright i have an xorg log in ~/.local/share/xorg
2021-05-24 06:01:12 <lopid> odd
2021-05-24 06:01:15 <yabobay> lopid: can a distro choose whether xorg will log things?
2021-05-24 06:01:21 <lopid> sure
2021-05-24 06:01:35 <yabobay> i mean i guess it can but why would a distro developer do that 
2021-05-24 06:02:17 <lopid> change the default location to something user specific? i can only think it's in case multiple users want their own logs
2021-05-24 06:02:54 <yabobay> "xf86OpenSerial: Cannot open device/input/event15  Permission denied"
2021-05-24 06:02:56 <raven523> if X runs as a reular use rinstead of as root, it logs to ~/.local/share/xorg (assuming you didn't change any XDG base directory environment variables)
2021-05-24 06:03:02 <raven523> *regular user instead
2021-05-24 06:03:45 <yabobay> is there a group my user should be in that it's not ?
2021-05-24 06:03:55 <raven523> did you run setup-xorg-base?
2021-05-24 06:03:56 <lopid> look who owns that device
2021-05-24 06:04:10 <yabobay> i did, that's how i installed xorg
2021-05-24 06:04:14 <yabobay> lopid: how do i do that?
2021-05-24 06:04:24 <lopid> ls -l /dev/input…
2021-05-24 06:04:39 <lopid> you did relog after changing groups?
2021-05-24 06:05:05 <lopid> "groups" will show your membership
2021-05-24 06:05:05 <yabobay> uhhhhhhhh. /dev/input15 isn't there. what's going on
2021-05-24 06:05:14 <yabobay> */dev/input/event15
2021-05-24 06:06:20 <yabobay> i'm in the group of my own username, and video
2021-05-24 06:07:19 <yabobay> and also i did re-login and even rebooted
2021-05-24 06:07:57 <lopid> maybe /var/log/messages sheds some light
2021-05-24 06:09:21 <raven523> is udev running?
2021-05-24 06:09:28 <yabobay> udev?
2021-05-24 06:09:44 <yabobay> lopid: for that i'd have to run xorg and then quit it but how would i quit it ?
2021-05-24 06:10:25 <raven523> # rc-service udev status
2021-05-24 06:10:35 <yabobay> status: started
2021-05-24 06:11:04 <raven523> so I don't think this is an issue with udev not running
2021-05-24 06:11:31 <lopid> /var/log/messages will record previous sessions (for a time)
2021-05-24 06:11:47 <yabobay> ok i just ran xorg and then forced reboot, i'll check that file 
2021-05-24 06:12:55 <yabobay> hmm, nothing about xog
2021-05-24 06:12:57 <yabobay> xorg*
2021-05-24 06:13:05 <lopid> about the device
2021-05-24 06:13:49 <yabobay> it shows some commands i ran before rebooting (the commands to view the file), and then it shows the commands after rebooting (starting wifi)
2021-05-24 06:13:52 <yabobay> so theres nothing
2021-05-24 06:14:31 <lopid> it should be earlier on, either just after boot or when the device was plugged in
2021-05-24 06:15:09 <yabobay> doesn't say anything about any devices 
2021-05-24 06:15:33 <lopid> what device is it?
2021-05-24 06:16:19 <yabobay> well the computer is an HP pavilion g6, but i know this machine doesn't need any special firmware for any of its hardware, since it even worked with linux-libre distributions just fine 
2021-05-24 06:16:42 <yabobay> how do i view what sort of hardware it has with more detail?
2021-05-24 06:17:23 <lopid> lshw is one method
2021-05-24 06:17:39 <lopid> are you using an xorg config that's specifically looking for that device?
2021-05-24 06:17:55 <yabobay> revelation: running xorg as root, input works fine 
2021-05-24 06:18:29 <yabobay> so there's definitely some permission i don't have 
2021-05-24 06:18:46 <lopid> or root isn't looking for the device
2021-05-24 06:19:41 <yabobay> oh the stdout after closing awesome says "failed to load driver: r600"
2021-05-24 06:20:15 <raven523> that's a video driver
2021-05-24 06:21:49 <yabobay> well i'm using the default(?) config
2021-05-24 06:24:04 <yabobay> ok so in lshw, it says my display is "radeon HD 7500/7600M series"
2021-05-24 07:14:39 <raven523> yabobay: does it work if you try udevadm trigger, wait a few seconds, then start X again?
2021-05-24 07:15:26 <yabobay> as the user user? or as root?
2021-05-24 07:15:58 <raven523> run udevadm trigger as root then start X as user with startx
2021-05-24 07:16:29 <Job79> yabobay Could you try adding the 'input' group to your user?
2021-05-24 07:17:12 <yabobay> still doesn't work if i run that. so i'll try adding myself to input group
2021-05-24 07:18:49 <yabobay> Job79: that just worked. so that was a lotta trouble for something i should've tried on my own :/
2021-05-24 07:25:00 <Job79> Adding yourself to the input group isn't really a great idea for security, but now you know the source of the problem.
2021-05-24 07:25:18 <yabobay> why is it a bad idea?
2021-05-24 07:25:46 <Job79> It gives your user access to all the devices
2021-05-24 07:26:11 <Job79> Makes it easy to install keyloggers etc..
2021-05-24 07:26:28 <yabobay> huh
2021-05-24 07:26:33 <yabobay> then what should i have done instead?
2021-05-24 07:26:54 <Job79> It should normally work without adding your user to the input group
2021-05-24 07:27:16 <yabobay> then what was wrong with it?
2021-05-24 07:27:38 <Job79> But slightly better would be using setgid on the xorg executable
2021-05-24 07:27:49 <yabobay> uhhhhhhh what does that mean?
2021-05-24 07:28:27 <Job79> That when the xorg executable is fired it has access to the input group
2021-05-24 07:28:42 <yabobay> and how do i do that ?
2021-05-24 07:31:12 <Job79> chmod g+s `which xorg`
2021-05-24 07:31:30 <Job79> And chown root:input `xorg`
2021-05-24 07:32:00 <Job79> Didn't test it, but something like that
2021-05-24 07:33:03 <yabobay> how do i remove myself from the input group?
2021-05-24 07:33:52 <Job79> Use delgeoup instead of addgroup
2021-05-24 07:34:43 <Job79> Note that if you go the setgid route, the changes will be reversed after a xorg update
2021-05-24 07:37:48 <yabobay> so there's just no way to have it just work?
2021-05-24 07:40:14 <Job79> There probably is, but wouldn't know how
2021-05-24 07:40:39 <yabobay> i'll just have be in the input group. this isnt an important setup anyway
2021-05-24 07:41:16 <Job79> If your fine with it it isn't a problem
2021-05-24 07:41:25 <yabobay> what is a keylogger anyway?
2021-05-24 07:42:58 <Job79> Capturing all the key inputs, but that is always possible with xorg. But it could be used in other ways when someone has access to your user.
2021-05-24 07:44:06 <yabobay> yikes 
2021-05-24 11:22:27 <frojnd> Nice
2021-05-24 11:33:08 <lopid> thanks
2021-05-24 13:08:28 <MY-R> #alpine-linux: Cannot join channel (Need to be identified and verified to join this channel, '/msg NickServ help' to learn how to register and verify.)
2021-05-24 13:09:27 <MY-R> that is why those keys without sasl suck, after channel got set +R auto join with weechat looks like that
2021-05-24 13:09:44 <MY-R> thought I set up some 5 seconds delay but maybe it doesnt work like should
2021-05-24 13:10:17 <yyp> Have you tried certfp? https://www.oftc.net/NickServ/CertFP
2021-05-24 13:10:42 <MY-R> I have certfp, without it you wont be even abble join to alpine channels now
2021-05-24 13:12:26 <yyp> Not sure what the issue is here, for me it works without any errors like that
2021-05-24 13:12:51 <yyp> Might be weechat bug though
2021-05-24 16:42:22 <Darksecond> are there any recommended packages I should install?
2021-05-24 16:43:29 <ikke> That's a very open question
2021-05-24 16:44:17 <Darksecond> I know, sorry :D
2021-05-24 16:44:46 <ikke> htop is one of the first things I install on a new system
2021-05-24 16:44:54 <Sheila> what specifically are you looking for?
2021-05-24 16:45:24 <Darksecond> I'm setting up a fairly generic base vm; any packages (like vim and htop) I should consider adding by default?
2021-05-24 16:45:47 <artok> "install what you need"
2021-05-24 16:45:48 <ikke> try to think of tools you often use
2021-05-24 16:46:05 <Sheila> ^
2021-05-24 16:46:14 <artok> and fear not, you'll be able to add more later on anyways
2021-05-24 16:46:22 <Darksecond> that's true :)
2021-05-24 16:46:39 <artok> so adding as you need is better than adding "might need"
2021-05-24 17:29:58 <nico[m]> I am currently in touch with Dmitry Torokhov regarding missing touchpad support in 5.12, who is pointing out that we need i2c-hid-acpi, which seems to be missing currently. What's the easiest way to rebuild a kernel/kernel package in alpine?
2021-05-24 17:31:05 <ikke> nico[m]: 5.12 is linux-edge?
2021-05-24 17:31:19 <ikke> then ythen you need to ask mps
2021-05-24 17:43:48 <nico[m]> ikke: correct
2021-05-24 17:44:13 <ikke> You can open an issue on gitlab
2021-05-24 17:45:05 <nico[m]> ok, CONFIG_I2C_HID_ACPI is not set. I'll try to rebuild the kernel from source && test 
2021-05-24 17:46:18 <nico[m]> Has been some years I compiled a kernel, let's see if things are still the same[tm]
2021-05-24 17:51:02 <nico[m]> I think building the Linux takes the same time no matter which year it is - it gets proportionally bigger compared to ssd, cpu and ram speed
2021-05-24 17:51:25 <c705> depends how complicated you want your kernel to be
2021-05-24 18:55:56 <chexo4> Hello! Test!
2021-05-24 18:56:12 <ikke> chexo4: hey
2021-05-24 18:56:14 <ikke> welcome
2021-05-24 18:56:56 <ikke> gone with lightspeed
2021-05-24 18:59:52 <lopid>  test passed
2021-05-24 19:07:04 <Pr1muZ> tehe
2021-05-24 19:13:05 <Misthios> xd
2021-05-24 19:35:03 <MY-R> hey, how to build only "linux-rpi4" package without building "linux-rpi"?
2021-05-24 19:35:43 <ikke> you can't
2021-05-24 19:36:04 <ikke> You would need to change the APKBUILD file to only build rpi4
2021-05-24 19:36:49 <ikke> problable remove the config-changes* for every kernel except rpi4
2021-05-24 19:37:05 <MY-R> eh, thought there is some better way than that
2021-05-24 19:37:29 <ikke> it's a single package, the rest are subpackages
2021-05-24 19:37:44 <MY-R> ikke: that what I have done but then it still trying build linux-rpi and finish with "FAIL"
2021-05-24 19:37:45 <ikke> you cannot tell abuild to just build a subpackage
2021-05-24 19:38:16 <MY-R> ikke: thanks, I wanted be sure if Im not doing something dumb
2021-05-24 19:38:34 <ikke> mkdir -p "$pkgdir" in build() probably
2021-05-24 19:39:22 <MY-R> hmm
2021-05-24 19:39:24 <ikke> sorry
2021-05-24 19:39:26 <ikke> in package()
2021-05-24 19:43:17 <MY-R> ikke: yeah: _package rpi "$pkgdir" 
2021-05-24 22:50:13 <artok> what script should take care of installing packages from cache on boot?
2021-05-25 02:07:03 <LACampbell> this week I learned that if I install the 
2021-05-25 02:07:14 <LACampbell> "docs" package, everything will have docs by default
2021-05-25 06:30:07 <lopid> goot to know!
2021-05-25 06:30:09 <lopid> d
2021-05-25 09:15:49 <nikow> LACampbell: I LOVE this feature.
2021-05-25 09:16:06 <nikow> I think that Debian and Fedora lacks it soo much, especially that i work often offline.
2021-05-25 09:17:30 <lopid> really? docs usually come with their respective package in other distros
2021-05-25 09:19:10 <artok> ...and that's why they take more space
2021-05-25 09:19:29 <lopid> naturally
2021-05-25 09:20:05 <nikow> No, i must manually install -doc packages for everything what i installed manualy on Debian 10 and Fedora 32
2021-05-25 09:20:07 <artok> in any case, people tend to post slack/reddit and ask on irc before even thinking about checking manual
2021-05-25 09:23:11 <nikow> They're social, my friend from psychology told me, and it's easier for them to ask people than google. Google requires from them 'mental work'
2021-05-25 09:24:51 <lopid> one person's personal mental work vs several other people's mental work. makes sense
2021-05-25 09:25:48 <nikow> For them it's cheaper! 
2021-05-25 09:26:04 <nikow> They just look at Their profit/cost ratio, selfish humans.
2021-05-25 09:32:33 <DaPinkOne> lopid, some people also enjoy helping, so it's a give and take
2021-05-25 09:50:09 <dallemon> /6/2
2021-05-25 10:02:00 <jjuran> I consider asking an easily self-answered question a cost :-)
2021-05-25 11:19:07 <LACampbell> artok: I gotta admit I like the BSD culture of manuals
2021-05-25 11:19:17 <LACampbell> they're really good, so RTFM actually makes sense
2021-05-25 11:19:21 <LACampbell> not always true for linux
2021-05-25 11:23:19 <mercenary> artok: fwiw, there is a meta-package 'docs' that automatically pulls in the -doc package when installing a package
2021-05-25 11:23:19 <LACampbell> nikow: one day I just discovered I was too dumb to manage packages with debian, so here I am
2021-05-25 11:25:26 <mercenary> Still, quality and often total lack of man pages is my biggest gripe with Alpine
2021-05-25 11:26:52 <mercenary> I have to keep a terminal session to a debian or freebsd system open just to be able to get parameter order for common functions
2021-05-25 11:27:00 <artok> mercenary: yeah I know, and I like it that way
2021-05-25 11:27:50 <mercenary> The docs package is good - I don't need manuals on random VMs.
2021-05-25 11:28:05 <artok> for the fact that I do use mostly alpine on rpi
2021-05-25 11:28:12 <mercenary> But for my development machine, I like complete man pages for everything
2021-05-25 11:28:45 <mercenary> And those just aren't there
2021-05-25 11:50:10 <rapha> the internet has man pages available so coveniently i keep a browser open for that
2021-05-25 11:54:44 <yyp> Would it be possible to have "contents" from pkgs.alpinelinux.org integrated into apk search or similar?
2021-05-25 12:14:39 <PureTryOut> I'm trying to get my PinePhone which is supposed to add a network device to my PC to show up on Alpine. Where with a Debian installation on my PC I get a USB network device, this doesn't happen in Alpine. Even worse, dmesg doesn't even log anything when I plug in the phone. I already tried enabling some extra kernel config options in linux-lts (and made sure to reboot into it) but I'm having no luck so far
2021-05-25 12:18:05 <mercenary> Does it show up in lsusb at all?
2021-05-25 12:18:39 <nikow> LACampbell: Do you remember exacly what was the problem? The most advanced thing which i used to far was just locking packages to currently installed version. :D 
2021-05-25 12:19:01 <nikow> LACampbell: And most of my problems was just, because i forgot to unlock version of package.
2021-05-25 12:19:39 <PureTryOut> mercenary: nope, just as it doesn't appear in dmesg
2021-05-25 12:20:46 <mercenary> Odd. That would point to issues at usb-hub level
2021-05-25 12:20:57 <nikow> sudo apt-makr hold package # it was, unhold for allowing to upgrade
2021-05-25 12:21:03 <nikow> mark * 
2021-05-25 12:22:06 <nikow> rapha: What if you're offline? :D 
2021-05-25 12:32:27 <LACampbell> nikow: I had somehow installed a bunch of graphical assets on a headless system. no one on the debian channel could figure out how to remove them. they suggested I trie apt, aptitude, dpigs... in the end I just swore off ever using a debian based system again
2021-05-25 13:11:34 <nikow> aptitude why $package --show-summary
2021-05-25 13:11:49 <nikow> then you just purge whatever installed you all the things
2021-05-25 13:29:38 <LACampbell> 3 nice folks on the debian channel were helping me. none could solve it
2021-05-25 13:46:13 <rapha> nikow: if I'm offline then how do I do any work on any server, VM or not, which would require me to read man pages?
2021-05-25 13:49:24 <Sheila> LACampbell: everyone overlooks something obvious sometimes. :)
2021-05-25 14:03:14 <thunderlight1> Hi! I am trying to install K3S on Alpine Linux and following the instructions at https://rancher.com/docs/k3s/latest/en/advanced/#additional-preparation-for-alpine-linux-setup , but get the following error when I run "update-extlinux". The error is "/boot is device /dev/sda1".
2021-05-25 14:03:42 <thunderlight1> When I reboot, the settings are not set.
2021-05-25 14:10:31 <lopid> try: apk fix linux-\*
2021-05-25 14:11:39 <ikke> that message is not an error
2021-05-25 14:11:43 <ikke> it's just informational
2021-05-25 14:19:51 <ngortheone> hey folks, it seems that algitbot still talks about freenode https://gitlab.alpinelinux.org/alpine/aports/-/merge_requests/20264
2021-05-25 14:20:13 <ngortheone> (did 3 days ago at least)
2021-05-25 14:20:37 <ikke> Cogitri: does aports-qa-bot need to be restarted if that's changed?
2021-05-25 14:21:14 <Cogitri> Ah yes, I think it only loads the file once on start
2021-05-25 14:21:36 <LACampbell> Sheila: nikows solution wouldnt have solved it though. anyway happy with apk
2021-05-25 14:22:40 <ikke> ok, restarted
2021-05-25 14:24:07 <ngortheone> another question wrt to that MR: does anybody know what are blockers for sway 1.6 & wlroots 13?
2021-05-25 14:50:22 <Misthios> Posh
2021-05-25 14:50:32 <Misthios> Does not support wlroots 13
2021-05-25 14:51:17 <Misthios> Phoc*
2021-05-25 15:18:47 <slowjo> I'm trying to package soju ('a user-friendly irc bouncer') for alpine 
2021-05-25 15:19:09 <yyp> Nice
2021-05-25 15:19:10 <slowjo> as i'm still rather new to alpine i wondered if there's anything special i need to be paying attention to?
2021-05-25 15:19:24 <yyp> I can send you my init scripts for it
2021-05-25 15:19:46 <slowjo> that'd be awesome to compare notes!
2021-05-25 15:20:19 <slowjo> i already made some, but i'm unsure if maybe i'm doing something in an 'un-alpine' way
2021-05-25 15:20:42 <ikke> slowjo: make a MR and we can check
2021-05-25 15:21:03 <slowjo> ikke: i guess that's easiest
2021-05-25 15:21:26 <yyp> slowjo: https://paste.sr.ht/~yerinalexey/4f6959d73bc1bb138542d48e5cb654c81b38546e
2021-05-25 15:21:39 <slowjo> ikke: just drop everything i got into testing/ i'd expect?
2021-05-25 15:21:48 <ikke> slowjo: yes, to begin with
2021-05-25 15:22:43 <slowjo> yyp: cool thanks!
2021-05-25 15:23:30 <slowjo> yyp: how do you deal with soju and ssl? (i.e. only user root being able to read letsencrypt certs by default)
2021-05-25 15:23:46 <yyp> I run on local network without SSL
2021-05-25 15:23:46 <slowjo> this is kinda where i got stuck yesterday
2021-05-25 15:23:56 <slowjo> ook
2021-05-25 15:24:56 <yyp> You can do something like /var/lib/soju/certs and make the user drop certificates there
2021-05-25 15:28:50 <yyp> Also, init scripts I gave assume that you have a soju user. It can be created with soju.post-install, but I unfortunately lost it along with a draft APKBUILD
2021-05-25 15:29:04 <yyp> I hope you can figure this out on your own
2021-05-25 15:29:09 <slowjo> yyp: yeah i figure that's something a user can figure certs out if they need it
2021-05-25 15:29:27 <slowjo> yeah i already made one yesterday
2021-05-25 15:30:04 <slowjo> i kinda looked at znc and postfix and figured out how some of the stuff worked
2021-05-25 15:30:33 <yyp> Can you drop APKBUILD on some pastebin (eg 0x0.st or github gist)?
2021-05-25 15:32:19 <slowjo> yyp: https://paste.sr.ht/~slowjo/5bc55be44b7ca741618fae4ee7fc0b11ac1f3d3e
2021-05-25 15:33:12 <yyp> You shouldn't do make install as it would overwrite user's /etc/soju/config
2021-05-25 15:33:54 <ikke> apk will not overwrite files in /etc
2021-05-25 15:34:05 <ikke> if they have been modified
2021-05-25 15:34:08 <yyp> ok
2021-05-25 15:34:27 <slowjo> yeah it created an .apk-new
2021-05-25 15:34:28 <ikke> slowjo: you need to make sure the user / group are created in a pre-install script as well
2021-05-25 15:34:34 <yyp> Also, download URL should be https://git.sr.ht/~emersion/soju/refs/download/v$pkgver/soju-$pkgver.tar.gz
2021-05-25 15:35:08 <ikke> slowjo: pkgusers/pkggroups only make sure that user is available during build
2021-05-25 15:35:18 <yyp> ^^
2021-05-25 15:35:59 <slowjo> yyp: thanks about the url!
2021-05-25 15:36:14 <slowjo> user and group are created in soju.pre-install
2021-05-25 15:36:27 <yyp> good
2021-05-25 15:36:56 <slowjo> i'll put them into the aports in a minute
2021-05-25 15:37:55 <yyp> That would be great, I would post reviews here I guess because I don't feel like signing up for gitlab
2021-05-25 15:41:34 <slowjo> yyp: sure thing, also it's a bit faster as long as i'm online ;)
2021-05-25 15:43:29 <yyp> Also, since we're packaging soju, it would be neat to package senpai (https://sr.ht/~taiite/senpai) as well because it's the only (non-web) client that takes advantage of CHATHISTORY on soju
2021-05-25 15:44:07 <slowjo> is pushing to gitlab.alpinelinux.org only possible through ssh?
2021-05-25 15:44:59 <yyp> I don't think so, gitlab support HTTPS pushing
2021-05-25 15:45:03 <yyp> *supports
2021-05-25 15:45:08 <ikke> yes
2021-05-25 15:45:10 <ikke> ssh or https
2021-05-25 15:45:58 <slowjo> oh. my mistake
2021-05-25 15:50:53 <slowjo> ok i finally managed
2021-05-25 15:50:55 <slowjo> https://gitlab.alpinelinux.org/alpine/aports/-/merge_requests/21735
2021-05-25 15:51:31 <slowjo> this is what i created yesterday, stuff from yyp not merged in yet
2021-05-25 15:52:58 <yyp> slowjo: I think you can keep soju.initd as is, but soju.confd certainly needs a bit better documentation & setting the user
2021-05-25 15:54:35 <slowjo> i was reluctant about setting the user in the config file, as we create the soju user in the pre-install script
2021-05-25 15:55:15 <slowjo> but yes, it makes sense to make it configurable
2021-05-25 15:55:44 <slowjo> just not sure we need to create one then during the install
2021-05-25 15:56:03 <yyp> And also, why did you split stdout and stderr logging? It's more confusing, and I think soju logs everything to one or the other
2021-05-25 15:57:18 <slowjo> yyp: i wasn't sure how soju does things. i got this idea from lighttpd which logs accesses in one file, and errors in another
2021-05-25 15:59:59 <yyp> let me check where does soju log things
2021-05-25 16:00:58 <yyp> slowjo: and also please set supervisor=supervise-daemon, otherwise soju service breaks (just checked)
2021-05-25 16:01:42 <slowjo> well, there doesn't seem to be anything in the logfile (just the error file) so i guess i only logs to stderr
2021-05-25 16:02:42 <slowjo> yyp: what breaks? seems like it works for me
2021-05-25 16:02:51 <yyp> it refused to start
2021-05-25 16:03:04 <slowjo> hm weird
2021-05-25 16:03:04 <yyp> oh that's because I forgot command_background
2021-05-25 16:03:09 <yyp> sorry
2021-05-25 16:05:03 <yyp> Now I added command_background and it works like a charm, probably should add to other init script
2021-05-25 16:05:05 <yyp> *scripts
2021-05-25 16:08:16 <yyp> The logs when split look like this: https://paste.sr.ht/~yerinalexey/6ca26c4d1cf334c6e166bb9c7e66e91085d962cd
2021-05-25 16:10:13 <yyp> I would prefer them merged as this way they make troubleshooting a lot easier
2021-05-25 16:15:51 <slowjo> just pushed an update with them merged
2021-05-25 16:16:25 <slowjo> but i just realise that i don't use the configured user
2021-05-25 16:16:28 <slowjo> 
ACTION facepalm

2021-05-25 16:22:53 <slowjo> ok just fixed another error
2021-05-25 16:23:17 <slowjo> would this be acceptable?
2021-05-25 16:53:28 <programmerq> hey ncopa, ikke, and clandmeter -- I just got my IRC client set up over here. I'm happy to be +o here too if that's helpful. Otherwise I'll continue my occasional question answer participation like normal. :)
2021-05-25 16:53:44 <ikke> programmerq: welcome
2021-05-25 16:53:57 <clandmeter> programmerq: o/
2021-05-25 16:54:19 <clandmeter> we need to sort that out, not only you :)
2021-05-25 16:54:27 <ikke> yeah
2021-05-25 16:54:36 <ikke> I did the bear minimum to be honest
2021-05-25 16:54:48 <programmerq> I'm in no hurry. I only ever got +o to be helpful-- not a burden.
2021-05-25 16:55:12 <ikke> It's not difficult :)
2021-05-25 16:55:18 <programmerq> it just took me a day or two to get the oftc stuff configured in my client. :)
2021-05-25 17:17:44 <yyp> slowjo: don't forget to wrap $variables in "" to prevent globbing :)
2021-05-25 17:48:02 <Darksecond> How can I stop alpine overwriting resolv.conf when using dhcp?
2021-05-25 17:49:09 <ikke> RESOLV_CONF=no in /etc/udhcpc/udhcpc.conf
2021-05-25 17:49:20 <Darksecond> that file doesn't exist; do I have to create it?
2021-05-25 17:49:24 <ikke> yes
2021-05-25 17:49:55 <Darksecond> ah :)
2021-05-25 17:50:19 <ikke> it's sourced by /usr/share/udhcpc/default.script
2021-05-25 17:50:29 <Darksecond> ah, that makes sense
2021-05-25 17:50:34 <Darksecond> that works, thanks!
2021-05-25 18:16:33 <slowjo> yyp: hm ok didn't know about that
2021-05-25 18:16:48 <slowjo> is that mentioned somewhere so i can read up on how it works more exactly?
2021-05-25 18:17:33 <slowjo> i take it you mean lines 17-18, 28 of the init script
2021-05-25 18:18:29 <ikke> slowjo: https://github.com/koalaman/shellcheck/wiki/Sc2086
2021-05-25 18:19:59 <slowjo> oh so this has nothing to do with openrc itself
2021-05-25 18:20:02 <slowjo> perfect
2021-05-25 18:20:06 <slowjo> thanks for the pointer!
2021-05-25 18:20:33 <ikke> it's all shell scripting
2021-05-25 18:20:35 <slowjo> pushed an update
2021-05-25 18:21:04 <ikke> we run shellcheck already automatically in our pipelines for APKBUILD files
2021-05-25 18:21:08 <ikke> not for initd files though
2021-05-25 19:35:13 <JakeSays> so is it possible to disable/remove/something usb keyboard support on alpine?
2021-05-25 19:36:25 <ikke> probable something with udev / mdev
2021-05-25 19:37:58 <JakeSays> ikke: hmm. 
2021-05-25 19:47:32 <Guest4893> Hi! I was disconnected from the channel. Can someone (re-)post the thread/answers to my previous question?
2021-05-25 19:48:34 <Guest4893> about the k3s installation.
2021-05-25 19:49:23 <ikke> Guest4893: I replied that the message you got was not an error but just an informational message
2021-05-25 19:51:24 <Guest4893> @ikke: But why does the parameters not stick on a reboot?
2021-05-25 19:51:42 <ikke> cat /proc/cmdline
2021-05-25 19:55:49 <nish86_> hi. I assume this is the correct channel to ask for help with alpine linux
2021-05-25 19:55:53 <ikke> Guest4893: https://www.kernel.org/doc/html/v5.10/admin-guide/kernel-parameters.html
2021-05-25 19:56:12 <ikke> I don't think cgroup_enable is used anymore
2021-05-25 19:57:03 <Guest4893> alpin01:~$ cat /proc/cmdline
2021-05-25 19:57:03 <Guest4893> BOOT_IMAGE=vmlinuz-lts root=UUID=237f45b9-e038-427a-8762-b7720ce672b5 modules=sd-mod,usb-storage,ext4 quiet rootfstype=ext4 cgroup_enable=cpuset cgroup_memory=1 cgroup_enable=memory initrd=initramfs-lts
2021-05-25 19:57:24 <ikke> so they _are_ there
2021-05-25 19:58:42 <nish86_> I am using alpine 3.13 as my containers base image. I want to use async-profiler to detect some native memory leaks. I installed linux-tools to see the list of tracepoint events but i dont see any being listed when i run perf list.
2021-05-25 19:59:07 <nish86_> How do i fix this? Do i need to install some more packages?
2021-05-25 20:05:38 <Guest4893> But when I run "sudo ./k3s server --cluster-init" I get the following errors.
2021-05-25 20:05:53 <Guest4893> INFO[2021-05-25T22:03:48.102572146+02:00] Run: k3s kubectl                             
2021-05-25 20:05:54 <Guest4893> WARN[2021-05-25T22:03:48.102670600+02:00] Failed to find cpuset cgroup, you may need to add "cgroup_enable=cpuset" to your linux cmdline (/boot/cmdline.txt on a Raspberry Pi) 
2021-05-25 20:05:54 <Guest4893> FATA[2021-05-25T22:03:48.102791076+02:00] failed to find memory cgroup, you may need to add "cgroup_memory=1 cgroup_enable=memory" to your linux cmdline (/boot/cmdline.txt on a Raspberry Pi) 
2021-05-25 20:05:54 <Guest4893> ERRO[2021-05-25T22:03:48.102726886+02:00] Failed to find memory cgroup, you may need to add "cgroup_memory=1 cgroup_enable=memory" to your linux cmdline (/boot/cmdline.txt on a Raspberry Pi) 
2021-05-25 20:07:15 <ikke> Guest4893: can you verify the cgroup services is running?
2021-05-25 20:07:26 <Guest4893> How?
2021-05-25 20:08:27 <Guest4893> (sorry, coming from xBSD, ArchLinux, Debian, CentOS environment).
2021-05-25 20:08:29 <ikke> rc-service cgroups status
2021-05-25 20:08:54 <Guest4893> it was stoped
2021-05-25 20:09:02 <Guest4893> trying to start it
2021-05-25 20:09:59 <Guest4893> Looks like it is working now, Thanks
2021-05-25 20:10:10 <ikke> you can even remove those kernel arguments
2021-05-25 20:10:21 <ikke> I guess rancher should update their documentation
2021-05-25 20:11:47 <Guest4893> I guess so. The only command missinfg was to start the csgroups service. Just curious, should they not been enabled by default?
2021-05-25 20:12:11 <Guest4893> =the csgroups servcice
2021-05-25 20:12:32 <ikke> other services normally dpeend on it
2021-05-25 20:12:34 <ikke> for example lxc
2021-05-25 20:12:41 <ikke> so it's automatically started when needed
2021-05-25 20:13:31 <Guest4893> not in this case. But I let Rancher people know and add this as a comment.
2021-05-25 20:13:50 <ikke> No, as you just run commands, not a service
2021-05-25 20:14:27 <Guest4893> I see
2021-05-25 20:16:17 <Guest4893> I don't know if I will make a big impact as a "normal" user and tell the Rancher people about this issue, than if an official developer of Alpine Linux would mention it!?
2021-05-25 20:16:39 <ikke> It should not need to matter
2021-05-25 20:17:02 <ikke> their current instructions our out-of-date. It should not matter who reports it
2021-05-25 20:17:18 <Guest4893> ok, I will report it.
2021-05-25 20:17:21 <ikke> You have more experience with it then I do
2021-05-25 20:25:12 <lopid> i want fdm, which is in testing, but i'm on 3.13. if i enable the testing repo to get fdm, i imagine it would want to pull in any other deps from testing. is my only other alternative to download the source and compile it manually?
2021-05-25 20:26:21 <ikke> lopid: if you test it and see that it works, we can probably move it to community
2021-05-25 20:26:31 <ikke> it will still not be part for 3.13, but it will be part of 3.14
2021-05-25 20:26:50 <lopid> oh, 3.13 community would be fine
2021-05-25 20:26:58 <ikke> 3.14 community
2021-05-25 20:27:08 <lopid> oh
2021-05-25 20:28:18 <lopid> i could enable testing, install fdm (and its deps), then disable testing. then, i'd be left with fdm and no fear of pulling in anything else from testing subsequently
2021-05-25 20:29:36 <ikke> it's not recommended, and can lead to issues
2021-05-25 20:29:58 <lopid> yeah
2021-05-25 20:30:30 <lopid> i don't want to take this installation to testing, so i'll install it manually
2021-05-25 20:44:04 <lopid> i've installed tdb-libs (testing has the same version but -r1), but fdm's ./configure can't see to find it
2021-05-25 20:44:57 <Cogitri> ./configure probably checks for the pkgconfig file which is in -dev, not -libs
2021-05-25 20:45:31 <lopid> ah, yes, thanks
2021-05-25 20:48:14 <lopid> it can't find them when i use --enable-static, but can without
2021-05-25 20:55:02 <lopid> same situation with libcrypto1.1, except there is no -dev for that
2021-05-25 20:56:31 <Cogitri> openssl-dev
2021-05-25 20:57:19 <lopid> ah! thanks
2021-05-25 20:57:25 <lopid> how did you know?
2021-05-25 21:00:31 <lopid> oh no: sys/cdefs.h: No such file or directory
2021-05-25 21:00:52 <lopid> libc6-compat didn't help
2021-05-25 21:09:52 <lopid> looks like i will have to find another way to have postfix deliver mail to different mboxes. but that will be for tomorrow
2021-05-25 21:09:52 <nish86_> I am using alpine 3.13 as my containers base image. I want to use async-profiler to detect some native memory leaks. I installed linux-tools to see the list of tracepoint events but i dont see any being listed when i run perf list.
2021-05-25 21:09:52 <nish86_> How do i fix this? Do i need to install some more packages?
2021-05-25 21:10:53 <Hello71> need root
2021-05-25 21:10:55 <Hello71> wait
2021-05-25 21:10:57 <Hello71> container?
2021-05-25 21:13:20 <artok> would need privileged mode on container ?
2021-05-25 21:20:27 <Hello71> bye
2021-05-25 21:35:19 <artok> aaand that is sorted
2021-05-25 21:55:37 <petrj> does lightdm work with dwm?
2021-05-25 21:57:17 <petrj> installed lightdm but after entering credentials, it was a nop.. i'm using text mode to login then startx.
2021-05-25 21:57:45 <petrj> maybe some hint is missing somewhere
2021-05-26 02:50:28 <dngray[m]> .xinitrc is where it's att
2021-05-26 02:50:32 <dngray[m]>  * .xinitrc is where it's at
2021-05-26 02:50:46 <dngray[m]> or if you're using sway you don't even need that 😀
2021-05-26 02:54:49 <dngray[m]> i just put this in my .bashrc/.zshrc https://clbin.com/dF348 which executes either i3wm_session: https://clbin.com/oOMny or sway_session: https://clbin.com/KWyRw
2021-05-26 02:57:40 <dngray[m]> .xinitrc https://clbin.com/bjCrp calls i3wm_session
2021-05-26 02:58:27 <dngray[m]> build_i3wm session is simply a script that builds a bunch of modular i3 configs, because unlike sway it doesn't have the ability to use an #include
2021-05-26 06:21:29 <ncopa> hi programmerq! thank you!
2021-05-26 09:04:49 <ncopa> anyone can help me setting up pipewire? I have started `pipewire` and `pipewire-media-session`. the `pw-play --list` command shows 
2021-05-26 09:04:51 <ncopa> Available targets ("*" denotes default): alsa_output.pci-0000_00_1f.3.hdmi-stereo-extra1
2021-05-26 09:04:51 <ncopa> *	38: description="Built-in Audio Digital Stereo (HDMI 2)" prio=632
2021-05-26 09:05:07 <ncopa> but when playing mpv, or youtube in chromium there is no sound
2021-05-26 09:05:38 <Oxylibrium> do you have something like pavucontrol installed?
2021-05-26 09:05:57 <ncopa> nope
2021-05-26 09:06:22 <ncopa> should i install that?
2021-05-26 09:06:46 <Oxylibrium> probably, should help figure out what's going on
2021-05-26 09:07:08 <ncopa> connection to PuseAudio failed. Automatic retry in 5s
2021-05-26 09:07:54 <ncopa> the wiki article says that i should edit /etc/pipewire/pipewire.conf but that file or directory does not exist. the configs are in /usr/share
2021-05-26 09:08:02 <ncopa> so I assume I shouldnt edit those?
2021-05-26 09:08:28 <Oxylibrium> hmm - I'm unsure; I'm on F34 and pipewire is the default and Just Works
2021-05-26 09:08:37 <Oxylibrium> I assume you have `pipewire-pulse` installed?
2021-05-26 09:09:26 <ncopa> yup
2021-05-26 09:09:36 <Oxylibrium> though on F34/arch pipewire-pulse appears to use systemd's socket activation - give me a sec
2021-05-26 09:09:40 <ncopa> F34 uses systemd
2021-05-26 09:09:48 <ncopa> maybe i need to start it
2021-05-26 09:10:36 <ncopa> yup, now pavucontrol is able to connect to pulse
2021-05-26 09:11:17 <Oxylibrium> maybe now just restarting chromium should get it working
2021-05-26 09:11:26 <ncopa> mpv plays music
2021-05-26 09:11:30 <ncopa> \o/
2021-05-26 09:11:42 <Oxylibrium> yay
2021-05-26 09:11:54 <ncopa> let me restart chromium
2021-05-26 09:13:17 <ncopa> and chromium works as well
2021-05-26 09:13:34 <Oxylibrium> \o/
2021-05-26 09:13:38 <ncopa> thank you!
2021-05-26 09:13:54 <Oxylibrium> np! and can I have a favor real quick?
2021-05-26 09:14:08 <ncopa> now, what is the "proper" way to start those 3, pipewire, pipewire-media-session and pipewire-pulse?
2021-05-26 09:14:13 <ncopa> sure
2021-05-26 09:14:19 <Oxylibrium> can you peek in #alpine-offtopic and tell me if there's a dozen join/leave messages from my nick?
2021-05-26 09:14:51 <Oxylibrium> I seem to have put the matrix-OFTC bridge into some kind of inconsistent state and joining it just fails with an error, but @oftc-irc insists I'm a member
2021-05-26 09:16:09 <ncopa> i just joined #alpine-offtopic so i cannot see the history there
2021-05-26 09:16:26 <Oxylibrium> ah, alright - let me make another attempt now
2021-05-26 09:16:54 <Oxylibrium> am I listed as on the channel?
2021-05-26 09:17:26 <Oxylibrium> I may have to sign out of the bridge and then re-setup everything :s 
2021-05-26 09:17:36 <ncopa> you are listed there yes
2021-05-26 09:17:54 <Sheila> let me turn off smart filters real quick
2021-05-26 09:18:06 <Oxylibrium> oh - when I actually try to join the room on matrix it says "failed to join room - no known servers"
2021-05-26 09:18:37 <Oxylibrium> but I'm apparently in there, and bridgebot says I'm there too
2021-05-26 09:20:47 <Sheila> that sounds like maybe your homeserver needs a boot.
2021-05-26 09:21:21 <Sheila> btw I didn't see any joinspam from you when I turned my filter off.
2021-05-26 09:21:37 <Oxylibrium> ah - I should probably just switch homeservers by this point :s 
2021-05-26 09:22:40 <Sheila> think I'm gonna turn mine off, since 1. I'm not using it and 2. `synapse   3425  0.0  1.2 1261656 844584 ?      Ssl  Feb09 136:21 /home/synapse/prod/bin/python3 -B -m synapse.app.homeserver --daemonize -c synapse.yaml` 🙃
2021-05-26 09:23:08 <Oxylibrium> something even more confusing just happened - I got invited to this weird "#_oftc_#alpine-offtopic:matrix.org" where I'm the only person?
2021-05-26 09:23:23 <Oxylibrium> I broke something pretty badly, oh boy
2021-05-26 09:23:46 <Sheila> no, this is just some high-quality software. 🙃
2021-05-26 09:25:02 <Oxylibrium> how much memory was synapse using for you - I think the line you posted says 844mb?
2021-05-26 09:26:40 <Sheila> about that, yes. for one local channel and one remote channel. and one user (unattached).
2021-05-26 09:27:04 <Oxylibrium> that's a lot o_O
2021-05-26 11:13:29 <EF> Hello. Trying to install 3.13 on a RPI4 in sys mode. When running "setup-disk -m sys /mnt" get an error "ext4 is not supported. Only supported are vfat" 
2021-05-26 11:13:47 <EF> Probably done something daft but any pointers most welcome. Thanks
2021-05-26 11:15:32 <MY-R> EF: try: FORCE_BOOTFS=1 setup-disk -m sys /mnt
2021-05-26 11:15:59 <EF> Will do. Thanks
2021-05-26 11:20:45 <EF> That did the trick. What does that actually do?
2021-05-26 11:22:27 <yyp> setup-disk has a check for fs!=ext4, this bypasses it I guess
2021-05-26 11:22:38 <MY-R> EF: https://gitlab.alpinelinux.org/alpine/aports/-/issues/12353
2021-05-26 11:22:54 <ikke> note that rpi boot needs to be vfat
2021-05-26 11:25:48 <EF> Thanks for the link and it makes sense now. The Alpine wiki instructions fail for me.
2021-05-26 12:10:14 <frojnd> Where should I start for building this: https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/libs/libgpiod/libgpiod.git/ for armv8 on my x86_64 pc?
2021-05-26 12:10:20 <frojnd> Any good guides?
2021-05-26 12:11:43 <msiism> Uhm… did that Alpine User Handbook just go live?
2021-05-26 12:11:56 <msiism> I mean, I was getting a 404 the last times I tried.
2021-05-26 12:12:20 <PureTryOut> It has been live for quite a while 🤔
2021-05-26 12:12:38 <msiism> Okay, starnge. I mean, good.
2021-05-26 12:14:20 <msiism> Pkay, re-tested. When I fire up a fresh Firefox and got to alpinelinux.org and then follow the "docs" link from the top menu: 404.
2021-05-26 12:17:36 <msiism> Okay, that is because of the redirect, apparently.
2021-05-26 12:17:42 <msiism> Just saw it in w3m.
2021-05-26 12:22:21 <msiism> Now, having that Handbook seems like a great imporvement.
2021-05-26 12:23:32 <Darksecond> msiism: I get a 404 for docs too; so you're not alone
2021-05-26 12:23:37 <msiism> :)
2021-05-26 12:23:52 <msiism> Are you using Firefox to access that page?
2021-05-26 12:23:54 <Darksecond> yes
2021-05-26 12:24:17 <msiism> Yeah, I'm not sure whether this is more Firefox' fault or more Alpine's fault.
2021-05-26 12:24:29 <Oxylibrium> works on my Firefox
2021-05-26 12:24:42 <msiism> Firefox doesn't seem to allow the redirect, at least if the settings are quite restrictive.
2021-05-26 12:25:04 <Oxylibrium> what settings do you use outside defaults?
2021-05-26 12:25:34 <msiism> I block all cookies and all Javascript.
2021-05-26 12:25:45 <msiism> Well, I'm allowing Javascript for alpinelinux.org, actually.
2021-05-26 12:25:56 <Darksecond> I have the default 'strict' content blocker enabled and ublock origin installed, that's about it
2021-05-26 12:26:09 <msiism> Yeah, I have ublock as well.
2021-05-26 12:26:22 <Oxylibrium> I have strict + uBO too and it works for me
2021-05-26 12:26:25 <Oxylibrium> maybe clear cache?
2021-05-26 12:26:38 <msiism> Are you on Firefox ESR?
2021-05-26 12:26:52 <Oxylibrium> nope, latest
2021-05-26 12:26:54 <Darksecond> even going to https://docs.alpinelinux.org/user-handbook/0.1a/Working/openrc.html gives me a 404
2021-05-26 12:26:58 <Darksecond> something weird is going on
2021-05-26 12:27:11 <Oxylibrium> can you clear cache?
2021-05-26 12:27:29 <msiism> Yeah, I've cleared the cache. the problem remains.
2021-05-26 12:27:43 <Oxylibrium> hm - do you have a stub resolver?
2021-05-26 12:27:57 <Darksecond> shift+F5 seems to have fixed it :)
2021-05-26 12:29:49 <msiism> Oxylibrium: Not that I'm aware of.
2021-05-26 12:30:36 <Oxylibrium> ah - I figured docs.alpinelinux.org may have changed hosts but it may not have been reflected if you had a local stub resolver
2021-05-26 12:30:58 <Darksecond> must be recent, since I setup a new DNS at home yesterday evening :D
2021-05-26 12:35:08 <msiism> It's the redirect URL.
2021-05-26 12:36:00 <msiism> If I replace '<meta http-equiv="refresh" content="0; url=user-handbook/0.1a/index.html">' with '<meta http-equiv="refresh" content="0; url=https://docs.alpinelinux.org/user-handbook/0.1a/index.html">', it works.
2021-05-26 12:46:03 <msiism> The example partition schemes in the Handbook all allocate 1G for /boot. Is there any particular reason for it being that big?
2021-05-26 12:46:39 <msiism> I mean, will I inevitably suffer if I make that, like 500M?
2021-05-26 13:20:39 <Iambchop> msiism: alpline wiki diagram from 2012 says "small partition (32--100M)"; my phone running alpine/postmarketos has 128M /boot and that is barely enough with recent kernel/initram/etc; hasn't been a problem for me yet, but others have already had problems upgrading
2021-05-26 13:21:13 <Sheila> I think my recommendation these days is 256M
2021-05-26 13:22:21 <msiism> Well, I'm running with 200M on Void and that is slightly troublesome. But I think 500M would be really okay.
2021-05-26 15:19:46 <Tych> Hey that proposal from skarnet,  is there anything official about it on the Alpine website?
2021-05-26 15:20:26 <Tych> I'm trying to propose it at work but his site doesn't look very official which doesn't help
2021-05-26 15:21:06 <Naib> Tych: only from Ariadne blog iirc
2021-05-26 15:21:09 <Tych> This is about the s6 service manager thing
2021-05-26 15:21:13 <Tych> Ok
2021-05-26 15:21:28 <Ariadne> Tych: https://skarnet.com/ has something
2021-05-26 15:21:29 <Naib> sounds very promasing
2021-05-26 15:21:42 <Tych> The tech info is good,  it's just that its affiliation with Alpine is not clear
2021-05-26 15:21:42 <Ariadne> Tych: https://skarnet.com/projects/service-manager.html
2021-05-26 15:21:47 <Tych> Yeah I have this
2021-05-26 15:21:54 <Ariadne> what would help?
2021-05-26 15:21:57 <Naib> it actually got some gentoo developers interested when I pointed to it
2021-05-26 15:22:02 <Ariadne> we can link to it on the alpine site, for example
2021-05-26 15:22:10 <Tych> Oh yes that would help I think
2021-05-26 15:22:13 <Tych> Maybe a news article
2021-05-26 15:22:20 <ikke> Tych: In the end, it would be skarnet who is building it, we would just be consumers of it
2021-05-26 15:22:21 <Ariadne> yes, no problem, give me a day or two
2021-05-26 15:22:30 <Ariadne> we are presently working on getting 3.14 out the door
2021-05-26 15:22:31 <msiism> So, skarnet.org, what happened to that then?
2021-05-26 15:22:39 <Tych> So far I haven't attracted anyone high up but the manager I showed it to was a bit sceptical
2021-05-26 15:22:43 <Ariadne> msiism: still exists, skarnet.com is his business side
2021-05-26 15:22:50 <msiism> :)
2021-05-26 15:23:01 <Tych> As in "Are you sure this has to do with alpine?"
2021-05-26 15:23:29 <Tych> But I can't promise anything :( I don't have a lot of influence
2021-05-26 15:23:36 <Tych> However I really love his ideas about it
2021-05-26 15:23:41 <Naib> same
2021-05-26 15:24:03 <Tych> But no hurry Ariadne!
2021-05-26 15:24:51 <Tych> I'm currently trying to get some input from people in how to play this up the line
2021-05-26 15:25:18 <Tych> We're a very big multinational so I think it shouldn't be a big deal to get 3 man months
2021-05-26 15:26:29 <Lord> this init proposal looks very interesting :-)
2021-05-26 15:26:58 <Tych> Yeah exactly
2021-05-26 15:27:09 <valerius> it is exciting to see, especially since it has the potential to replace systemd in many use cases where systemd is being used
2021-05-26 15:27:20 <Tych> It sounds like what systemd should have been, to me
2021-05-26 15:27:25 <valerius> will be nice to see some real options for the post-systemd world
2021-05-26 15:27:52 <Naib> openrc has potential
2021-05-26 15:28:05 <Naib> but it was squandered, especially after the gentoo dev's messed with uberlord
2021-05-26 15:28:25 <Tych> Though one thing that undermines the proposal a bit IMO is that he says one of the main reasons is his point "Interfaces with external events" but then his proposed solution doesn't address that
2021-05-26 15:32:13 <valerius> the project's channel is on this network now btw
2021-05-26 15:32:15 <ikke> You could join #s6
2021-05-26 15:32:17 <ikke> yes
2021-05-26 15:32:24 <ikke> to ask for more details
2021-05-26 15:37:52 <Tych> Aha thanks!
2021-05-26 15:38:18 <Tych> I'm not familiar with s6 at all
2021-05-26 15:38:23 <Tych> Just alpine
2021-05-26 15:38:30 <Tych> I don't even use it for docker
2021-05-26 15:38:38 <Tych> I use it bare metal
2021-05-26 15:38:49 <ikke> s6 is the service manager that skarnet maintains, which will be the basis of that proposal
2021-05-26 15:38:57 <Tych> Yes I understood that much
2021-05-26 15:39:25 <Tych> Anyway don't expect too much,  I'm just trying to raise it
2021-05-26 15:39:38 <ikke> anything is appreciated
2021-05-26 16:43:09 <bovis> A long shot, but has anyone experienced a similar issue with Spotify to here? https://github.com/Rigellute/spotify-tui/issues/813 Briefly: spotifyd runs; spotify-tui sees that spotifyd is running but gives an API 500 error when trying to use spotifyd as its device.
2021-05-26 19:09:48 <thebtm> Good Afternoon, Have to admit, it's been a long time since I had to register for IRC (or outside of this month, 20 years). but glad to be back after the long weekend. 
2021-05-26 19:10:02 <ikke> thebtm: thanks
2021-05-26 19:10:09 <ikke> welcome here
2021-05-26 19:10:28 <ikke> sorry about the forced registation, we had to deal with spam 
2021-05-26 19:10:43 <thebtm> that's find. it makes sense too. 
2021-05-26 19:11:16 <ikke> let's see if it's still necessary
2021-05-26 19:43:51 <MY-R> ikke: I think that mode could be better than +R: +M - client may speak only when registered and identified to NickServ
2021-05-26 19:45:37 <Naib> not very inclusive of any freenode bots
2021-05-26 19:50:58 <MY-R> there is also mode: +z - messages that would otherwise be blocked (banned, quieted, channel moderation) go to channel operators (shown as <nick:@#channel> msg)
2021-05-26 19:52:02 <MY-R> if I understand it correctly if put +Mz mode on channel then unregistered users could still send message to channel but only OPS could see it
2021-05-26 19:53:45 <ikke> that's not what we want
2021-05-26 19:54:12 <MY-R> ye I know
2021-05-26 21:15:27 <[diablo]> evening guys.. well, gotta say after nearly 20 years of using freenode, it feels mad leaving it channel by channel...
2021-05-26 21:15:48 <ikke> the server admins there make it a bit easier though
2021-05-26 21:16:46 <[diablo]> evening ikke
2021-05-26 21:17:04 <[diablo]> 
ACTION wonders does ikke ever sleep ?

2021-05-26 21:17:10 <[diablo]> :)
2021-05-26 21:20:48 <danieli> ikke: definitely, i just left my last channels there a few hours ago
2021-05-26 21:22:05 <ikke> [diablo]: once in a while ;-)
2021-05-26 21:24:16 <[diablo]> in all my years, I always find rock solid IRC channels have people like you ikke ... #ansible is another good example of talented / skilled people on-tap ready to help
2021-05-26 23:35:38 <agris> How do I specify a git repository for a abuild's source?
2021-05-26 23:36:02 <agris> also, is there a source_prepare() subroutine?
2021-05-27 00:16:47 <ottis> Hi! trying to listen music with Audacious i got ALSA error: snd_pcm_open failed: No such file or directory. I can find a solution yet
2021-05-27 00:50:18 <Hello71> agris: #alpine-devel
2021-05-27 00:50:21 <Hello71> wait
2021-05-27 00:50:27 <Hello71> you cross-posted :|
2021-05-27 15:12:36 <opv> hi all! i have a mpd service that is autostarting on boot. i would like to autostart it with `nice` - what is the recommended way of doing this? thank you
2021-05-27 15:18:50 <yyp> What are you autostarting it with?
2021-05-27 15:21:31 <yyp> If you're using OpenRC, you can set start_stop_daemon_args="-N nicelevel" or supervise_daemon_args="-N nicelevel"
2021-05-27 15:24:17 <opv> thank you yyp 
2021-05-27 19:30:11 <maya> hi, is someone here using alpine with refind? i can't get it to boot
2021-05-27 19:30:39 <Cogitri> I used it some time ago, but I usually set up the refind install from my boot usb (Ubuntu)
2021-05-27 19:32:01 <maya> i downloaded zip file from refind site to fat partition and refind does detect alpine and all, but in the end i get failed to mount root error
2021-05-27 19:35:22 <Cogitri> Ah well, you have to set root= and rootfstype in your refind config
2021-05-27 19:40:09 <maya> wellll, it works now, earlier i've put root= partuuid into kernel options, but now i checked fstab and there was only uuid so i changed that in kernel options and somehow it works 
2021-05-27 19:40:14 <maya> thanks for help
2021-05-27 19:42:54 <nico[m]> I remember a lot of people talking about pipewire at the alpine conf -- has anyone actually got it running?
2021-05-27 19:43:13 <ikke> ncopa recently installed it and got it working
2021-05-27 19:44:24 <nico[m]> ncopa: I wonder, did you have to solve any dbus connection issues?
2021-05-27 19:44:48 <Oxylibrium> they just needed to manually start pipewire, pipewire-media-session and pipewire-pulse
2021-05-27 19:45:13 <Oxylibrium> on most systemd distros, its controlled by socket activation + a user service, but alpine obviously doesn't have that :p
2021-05-27 19:50:21 <nico[m]> My motivation for pipewire is to reroute the microphone
2021-05-27 19:50:32 <larzen> Hi Folks, can anyone tell me if there is a build of Alpine for x86_64 that is similar to what you have for the RPi Arm64? (Where the OS is loaded up into memory?)
2021-05-27 19:50:51 <ikke> larzen: yes, run-from-ram is supported on every arch
2021-05-27 19:50:51 <nico[m]> Turns out that the X1 nano has 4 (!) digital microphones and that obs and chromium by default only see the analogue mic, which is only routed to the external headset
2021-05-27 19:51:12 <ikke> larzen: that was one of the main usecases of alpine
2021-05-27 19:51:44 <larzen> @ikke - so in my case, I want to install a very very basic form of Linux on bare hardware..and then run Dockerized everything on it. (Switching away from Red Hat).
2021-05-27 19:56:08 <yevaud> alpine works fine for that, though I use virtd rather than docker. 
2021-05-27 19:56:51 <yevaud> docker is genuinely scary stuff in the way most people are using it. 
2021-05-27 19:57:12 <Slence> If alpine conf taught me anything it's that pulseaudio is definitely the solution to any audio issues.
2021-05-27 19:58:40 <c705> what? removing pulseaudio is usually the solution to audio problems
2021-05-27 19:58:53 <Slence> I was kidding. :)
2021-05-27 19:58:58 <c705> oh
2021-05-27 19:59:14 <Slence> There were a lot of pulseaudio-related jokes/issues at alphine conf. 
2021-05-27 19:59:22 <PureTryOut> Install Pipewire instead
2021-05-27 20:11:53 <Cogitri> yevaud: Not sure if libvirt makes that better, the main problem with docker is folks not updating their containers and that can happen with libvirt too
2021-05-27 20:13:09 <c705> people also need to realize that docker is not a sandbox. I'll admit i fell for that one too at first
2021-05-27 20:13:10 <yevaud> Cogitri: with me installing things in my own VMs the onus is on me, with docker any given image from dockerhub seems to pull at least an entire operating systems worth of outdated binaries from who knows where. 
2021-05-27 20:14:09 <yevaud> docker is fine when you're some company making your own images or whatever, but the consumer use of it is a struggle. 
2021-05-27 20:19:58 <Cogitri> You can use your own base image and keep that updated as consumer too, I'd argue keeping a Dockerfile up to date is way easier than setting up a VM
2021-05-27 20:30:01 <veecue> PureTryOut: Is pipewire ready to use yet with utilities like pavucontrol etc.
2021-05-27 20:30:16 <PureTryOut> If you enable pipewire-pulse then yes
2021-05-27 20:30:40 <q66> if you use pipewire-pulse it doesn't feel any different from just pulse
2021-05-27 20:30:43 <q66> you can use pavucontrol and stuff
2021-05-27 20:31:47 <veecue> Well, I'll try it out then, thx :)
2021-05-28 00:24:22 <pjz> so I set up alpine to run my NAS months ago, and it's survived many reboots (I run 'diskless' from a USB stick so as not to wear down the USB, the only writes are on 'lbu commit' whcih saves to the stick)
2021-05-28 00:26:55 <pjz> then we had a power outage and now it comes up... sort of?  the main this is the mount point for my md-array doesn't get created so it of course doesn't get mounted
2021-05-28 00:27:44 <pjz> it has my user and password so I can login remotely, and at least _some_ of the config is getting restored - 'mount -a' works after I create the mount point, so fstab is okay
2021-05-28 00:31:50 <pjz> it's like some part of the sysvinit isn't being run or something? any ideas?
2021-05-28 00:58:17 <Hello71> did you check if your ovl is ok
2021-05-28 01:11:07 <pjz> yeah, it looks okay... somehow my /etc/fstab was missing trailing '0 0' on the md0 line
2021-05-28 01:11:14 <pjz> fixed that and it mounted correctly and etc
2021-05-28 01:11:28 <pjz> weird random corruption or reversion or something
2021-05-28 01:12:06 <pjz> anyway, seems to have resolved; thanks for the great distro! My fave for systems I want to run (mostlY) from RAM
2021-05-28 08:52:32 <markand> anyone has an idea why the analog sound card isn't listed under a raspberry pi 4 running alpine/aarch64?
2021-05-28 08:52:35 <markand> https://paste.centos.org/view/b5df6043
2021-05-28 08:52:39 <markand> worked fine earlier
2021-05-28 09:00:41 <ncopa> dont know. maybe kernel config changed?
2021-05-28 09:00:56 <lopid> anything in dmesg?
2021-05-28 09:02:37 <markand> only thing is [    5.284502] snd_bcm2835: module is from the staging directory, the quality is unknown, you have been warned.
2021-05-28 09:03:06 <lopid> is the module still loaded?
2021-05-28 09:03:16 <markand> yes
2021-05-28 09:03:39 <lopid> i hear that the quality is unknown, so be warned
2021-05-28 09:03:54 <markand> but it worked several weeks ago :P
2021-05-28 09:04:00 <lopid> maybe try reloading it
2021-05-28 09:10:16 <markand> okay looks like the vc4-kms-v3d that was causing problem
2021-05-28 09:17:49 <markand> with vc4-fkms-v3d it works
2021-05-28 12:14:49 <markand> when debugging a program on aarch64 I get a few illegal instructions before the program actually starts
2021-05-28 12:14:54 <markand> Program received signal SIGILL, Illegal instruction.
2021-05-28 12:14:54 <markand> 0x0000007ff7c2f4d0 in ?? () from /lib/libcrypto.so.1.1
2021-05-28 12:15:09 <markand> (and after some 'cont' in gdb, it works fine)
2021-05-28 12:23:23 <nergzd723> That's because libcrypto probes for CPU crypto extensions supported by core, there isn't an easy way to find that out on ARM
2021-05-28 12:23:39 <nergzd723> on x86, we have `cpuid`
2021-05-28 12:23:54 <markand> oh interesting, is there a way I can disable those signals in gdb/lldb then?
2021-05-28 12:46:55 <Hello71> handle SIGILL noprint pass nostop
2021-05-28 12:58:22 <Guest310> Hello! I am currently trying to install Alpine on my Olimex A20-OLinuXino-LIME2 ARM SBC and having some difficulty. I created one big bootable fat32 partition and put the files from the generic ARM tarball on it. I compiled u-boot from source and flashed it to the right place, it works without issues, also tested with OpenBSD. I can boot Alpine perfectly fine from the SD card and go through most of the installation.
2021-05-28 12:58:50 <markand> perfect, thanks Hello71 !
2021-05-28 12:59:10 <Guest310> However I noticed that Alpine does not recognize the SBC's internal eMMC memory at all
2021-05-28 12:59:41 <Guest310> OpenBSD recognizes it just fine and can even be installed to it, so I am confused about why it is not recognized on Alpine
2021-05-28 13:02:55 <Hello71> what exactly does "not recognize" mean
2021-05-28 13:05:41 <Guest310> It is not available as an option to install to
2021-05-28 13:05:52 <Guest310> lsblk also does not list it
2021-05-28 13:08:36 <Hello71> hm. what does rc-status mdev say
2021-05-28 13:11:38 <Guest310> I will get back to you about that in a minute, just starting from scratch again
2021-05-28 13:15:14 <Guest310> @Hello71 I get "runlevel `mdev' does not exist"
2021-05-28 13:18:35 <Hello71> er
2021-05-28 13:18:51 <Hello71> rc-service mdev status
2021-05-28 13:19:49 <Guest310> status: started
2021-05-28 13:21:48 <markand> mdev isn't the best service to load automagically modules
2021-05-28 13:23:25 <Guest310> Do you have a clue what the issue may be for it to not see my internal eMMC?
2021-05-28 14:08:34 <Hello71> no
2021-05-28 14:09:04 <Hello71> did you try other linux
2021-05-28 14:10:21 <Guest310> I will do that now, I got interrupted by something else
2021-05-28 14:27:33 <Guest310> I also wanted to mention another issue of my ARM installation attempt
2021-05-28 14:27:57 <Guest310> If I try to install to the SD card itself, it is also not successful
2021-05-28 14:28:50 <Guest310> It tells me "No avaliable disks found. Unmount /media/mmcblk0p1 and retry?"
2021-05-28 14:28:57 <Guest310> To which I respond "y"
2021-05-28 14:29:38 <Guest310> Then it copies kernel modules, unmounts /.modloop, both are "ok"
2021-05-28 14:29:53 <Guest310> Then it tells me mmcblk0 is available, which is good
2021-05-28 14:30:07 <Guest310> I select it, try to install "sys"
2021-05-28 14:30:21 <Guest310> Confirm erasing everything
2021-05-28 14:31:05 <Guest310> And it gives me the following error:
2021-05-28 14:31:09 <Guest310> Bootloader "" not supported!
2021-05-28 14:33:33 <Guest310> Here is a paste of the entire thing: https://bin.snopyta.org/?065270f03c696935#FmkcmFndSZe4ooyLzLNWm32pTkxc1sJmjukZiERhB9M7
2021-05-28 14:34:46 <Guest310> If it helps, I can also provide a paste of dmesg
2021-05-28 16:05:29 <dngray[m]> okay i cant figure this out.
2021-05-28 16:05:37 <dngray[m]> /etc/chrony/chronyd.conf keeps getting emptied
2021-05-28 16:06:00 <dngray[m]> even when i stop chrony
2021-05-28 16:08:05 <dngray[m]>  9468 chrony    0:00 /usr/sbin/chronyd -f /etc/chrony/chrony.conf
2021-05-28 16:08:10 <dngray[m]> only one instance hmm
2021-05-28 16:11:04 <MY-R> dngray[m]: do you trying run two of them or what? or you did typo: /etc/chrony/chronyd.conf and should be "chrony.conf"
2021-05-28 16:12:11 <dngray[m]> yeah that was a typo sorry
2021-05-28 16:12:17 <dngray[m]> and no i checked to see none was running
2021-05-28 16:13:46 <MY-R> dngray[m]: diskless installation or what?
2021-05-28 16:14:18 <dngray[m]> it's a diskless install
2021-05-28 16:14:23 <dngray[m]> and i made sure that none was runing
2021-05-28 16:14:27 <dngray[m]> the default location is CFGFILE="/etc/chrony/chrony.conf"
2021-05-28 16:14:57 <dngray[m]> so i ran it as: chronyd -f /etc/chrony/chrony.conf
2021-05-28 16:15:01 <MY-R> and do you remember to run "lbu ci" to store your configs?
2021-05-28 16:15:03 <dngray[m]> and after a few seconds i noticed the config was 0 bytes
2021-05-28 16:15:17 <dngray[m]> yeah i do know that but that's only when rebooting
2021-05-28 16:15:27 <dngray[m]> the file as it is in ram
2021-05-28 16:15:58 <dngray[m]> i am not sure what the hell is deleting it though, only have dhcpd, radvd, dnscrypt-proxy, freeradius on this machine
2021-05-28 16:16:14 <dngray[m]> and those things have been there for years and not done that
2021-05-28 16:16:28 <MY-R> weird
2021-05-28 16:17:09 <MY-R> maybe memory is full or something
2021-05-28 16:18:33 <dngray[m]> okay its zeroing and chronyd/chronyc isn't running
2021-05-28 16:19:13 <dngray[m]> no chron jobs
2021-05-28 16:19:14 <dngray[m]> nope, only 135MB usedm 597 MB free
2021-05-28 16:19:21 <Hello71> Guest310: i don't think setup-disk is really supported on generic arm
2021-05-28 16:19:24 <Hello71> it doesn't even work that well on rpi
2021-05-28 16:20:20 <Hello71> not sure how people do sys install
2021-05-28 16:20:38 <Hello71> minirootfs works ok, but unless you have another arm then you need to set up qemu
2021-05-28 16:21:42 <MY-R> more or less that working too on already running diskless mode: https://wiki.alpinelinux.org/wiki/Raspberry_Pi#Traditional_disk-based_.28sys.29_installation
2021-05-28 16:22:14 <MY-R> but have to enforce setup-disk to not check if sys root is fat
2021-05-28 16:22:23 <dngray[m]> okay that's weird
2021-05-28 16:22:28 <dngray[m]> i think it's openvpn doing it
2021-05-28 16:22:38 <dngray[m]> because when i shut down the vpn it doesn't get overwritten
2021-05-28 16:26:36 <dngray[m]> nope doesn't appear to be openvpn
2021-05-28 16:33:51 <dngray[m]> yeah i have no clue what is doing this
2021-05-28 16:33:54 <dngray[m]> i stopped everything
2021-05-28 16:33:57 <dngray[m]> and it still gets wiped out
2021-05-28 16:34:18 <dngray[m]> after a few seconds
2021-05-28 16:35:08 <dngray[m]> https://clbin.com/uVOJ1 as u can see MY-R not much running
2021-05-28 16:35:29 <dngray[m]> i renamed the file chrony.conf.1 and pointed chronyd at that and it isn't getting erased....
2021-05-28 16:37:54 <Guest310> Hello71: Thanks for letting me know, that's unfortunate
2021-05-28 16:37:55 <MY-R> maybe dhcpcd got some helpers which trying use ntp servers provided by dhcp server and something going wrong
2021-05-28 16:38:09 <Hello71> in sys mode i mean
2021-05-28 16:38:10 <MY-R> dngray[m]: ^
2021-05-28 16:38:16 <dngray[m]> that's about the only thing it could be
2021-05-28 16:38:39 <dngray[m]> oh i stopped dhcpd
2021-05-28 16:38:42 <dngray[m]> dhcpcd is a client
2021-05-28 16:38:56 <Guest310> How do you enforce that in setup-disk MY-R?
2021-05-28 16:39:54 <MY-R> Guest310: FORCE_BOOTFS=1 setup-disk .....
2021-05-28 16:40:10 <Guest310> Thank you!
2021-05-28 16:40:14 <Guest310> I'll give it a shot :)
2021-05-28 16:42:05 <MY-R> dngray[m]: try add "nohook ntp.conf" line in "/etc/dhcpcd.conf"
2021-05-28 16:47:34 <MY-R> dngray[m]: and if you wondering what that hook doing check this: /usr/lib/dhcpcd/dhcpcd-hooks/50-ntp.conf
2021-05-28 18:26:01 <larzen> @ikke - thank you!
2021-05-28 18:26:26 <larzen> I'll have to read the docs on how to implement run-from-ram
2021-05-28 18:27:15 <ikke> The iso's are already run-from-ram
2021-05-28 18:27:36 <ikke> the installer has an option to run from ram 
2021-05-28 18:27:46 <ikke> which sets up lbu so that you can persist changes
2021-05-28 18:32:45 <dcreator> Hi, I randomly discovered Alpine Linux when reading about Docker containers. After investigating further I really liked Alpine Linux. Easy and very fast installation. Also easy to configure basic things, the wiki is well documented for the different programs I've been setting up. Works very well on old hardware, makes an 15 year old netbook usable with basic gui.
2021-05-28 18:33:50 <dcreator> Wish I have had discovered it sooner. I see there is a 128 MB RAM requirement for the 32-bit version of alpine linux, but my computer only have 64 MB RAM. Is there any chance that it will run anyway with half?
2021-05-28 18:35:14 <Sheila> probably not, unless you're satisfied with a terminal environment only.
2021-05-28 18:36:36 <Hello71> kernel+openrc uses about 20 MB (depending on hardware installed/modules loaded), plus whatever programs you want to run
2021-05-28 18:36:55 <Hello71> -Os probably allows a little bit more to fit in ram compared to -O2
2021-05-28 18:37:33 <Sheila> X would be the chunky part, basically.
2021-05-28 18:37:54 <Sheila> and not sure if there's a Wayland wm that would work on such old hardware.
2021-05-28 18:37:55 <dcreator> The purpose would just be to see if I'm able to run modern software on a pretty old computer while it is still working.
2021-05-28 18:38:34 <Sheila> if it's terminal-based, it'll likely be fine.
2021-05-28 18:38:40 <Sheila> anything that needs X is unlikely.
2021-05-28 18:39:11 <dcreator> Last time I installed an OS on this machine, was to install Windows 98 when that was new. It had Windows 95 originally.
2021-05-28 18:44:07 <graywolf> So during upgrade to .38 lts mkinitfs complained that it cannot find the modules for the kernel and it seems they were indeed not compiled in. Did anyone else encounter similar problem?
2021-05-28 18:51:51 <larzen> @ikke so I just burn the ISO and hit "install" and off I go?
2021-05-28 18:52:02 <ikke> Yes
2021-05-28 18:58:05 <larzen> Oh, just like the rpi. Sweet. I'll have to do that and then I'll likely need to install a custom kernel due to the various SAS controllers and such in my server
2021-05-28 19:20:43 <lopid> where can i find information about busybox's /etc/syslog.conf? the busybox web site doesn't appear to have anything more than what's in the man page
2021-05-28 19:24:01 <c705> lopid: is it in ini format? might just be <long option>=<value> and the long options are in the man page. just a hunch
2021-05-28 19:24:28 <lopid> the format of it and what it supports is what i wish to discover
2021-05-28 19:49:28 <MY-R> lopid: you mean something like that: https://git.busybox.net/busybox/tree/docs/syslog.conf.txt
2021-05-28 19:50:49 <lopid> ah, oh, refers to syslog.h. well, almost…
2021-05-28 19:53:16 <lopid> oh, that's the generic syslog.h. maybe this is it, thanks. i was looking for a man page
2021-05-28 19:54:41 <lopid> s/looking/hoping/
2021-05-28 19:54:41 <alpine-meetbot> lopid meant to say: oh, that's the generic syslog.h. maybe this is it, thanks. i was hoping for a man page
2021-05-28 19:55:08 <larsdaniel> What could this mean? `/lib/ld-musl-x86_64.so.1: ./t_rex: Not a valid dynamic program`
2021-05-28 19:55:13 <MY-R> few minutes ago I was looking for different syslog and then saw your message so now I have to re-think about it heh
2021-05-28 19:56:55 <larsdaniel> Actually, the application seems to work.
2021-05-28 19:58:33 <larsdaniel> do I have +v ?
2021-05-28 19:59:23 <ikke> no
2021-05-28 20:05:33 <larsdaniel> readelf -l t_rex doesn't seem to complain about anything
2021-05-28 20:06:10 <ikke> and ldd?
2021-05-28 20:06:19 <larsdaniel> `/lib/ld-musl-x86_64.so.1: ./t_rex: Not a valid dynamic program`
2021-05-28 20:06:28 <larsdaniel> But it runs without a problem ;)
2021-05-28 20:06:46 <ikke> maybe ask in #musl?
2021-05-28 20:06:53 <larsdaniel> on which network? ;D
2021-05-28 20:06:57 <ikke> on libera.chat :P
2021-05-28 20:06:58 <larsdaniel> too many networks around right now
2021-05-28 20:06:59 <larsdaniel> oki
2021-05-28 20:09:51 <larsdaniel> Okay, might be some bad working in Alpine's LDD.
2021-05-28 20:10:14 <larsdaniel> the word "valid" confused me ;)
2021-05-28 20:10:57 <larsdaniel> So Alpine isn't on Libera, too?
2021-05-28 20:16:02 <ikke> We have channels on libera, but these are the official ones
2021-05-28 20:16:49 <larsdaniel> Official one means: only enter wearing suits?
2021-05-28 20:17:16 <ikke> heh
2021-05-28 20:17:28 <ikke> ohg yeah, i forgot about static binaries
2021-05-28 20:17:57 <MY-R> cant create some sane bridge between those two networks or only way is bot redirecting every message? :/
2021-05-28 20:18:14 <ikke> yeah, which is anoying
2021-05-28 20:18:34 <MY-R> exactly :\
2021-05-28 23:01:35 <riverdc> what's the recommended way to load a kernel module at boot (that isn't already loaded by default)
2021-05-28 23:01:44 <riverdc> /etc/modules ?
2021-05-28 23:23:01 <Hello71> that's fine
2021-05-28 23:37:55 <larzen> Question...when I burn an alpine USB, is it UEFI or DOS based? 
2021-05-28 23:38:05 <larzen> I am trying to boot it on a Mac Pro, and the key is not even seen
2021-05-28 23:40:28 <zcrayfish> AFAIK, alpine uses the DOS partitioning scheme by default
2021-05-28 23:56:02 <ericnoan> Hello
2021-05-29 00:13:59 <larzen> I found this: https://wiki.alpinelinux.org/wiki/Create_UEFI_boot_USB
2021-05-29 00:14:16 <larzen> But it puts me in a grub terminal
2021-05-29 02:06:33 <Hello71> uefi and dos are not of the same class
2021-05-29 02:07:18 <Hello71> mbr and gpt are types of partition table, and ((ibm) pc) bios and uefi are types of system firmware interface
2021-05-29 02:07:34 <Hello71> dos is a type of operating system
2021-05-29 02:07:39 <Hello71> unfortunately, fdisk calls mbr dos
2021-05-29 02:07:47 <Hello71> but it's still totally different
2021-05-29 02:07:48 <Sheila> and the BIOS can *implement* UEFI
2021-05-29 02:08:19 <Sheila> (as UEFI is actually just a standard for specifying BIOS behaviour)
2021-05-29 02:09:07 <Hello71> on x86 computers it's more accurate to say that uefi is intended as a replacement for bios
2021-05-29 02:09:20 <Hello71> using bios as short for ibm pc-compatible bios system firmware
2021-05-29 02:10:30 <Hello71> you also can't burn a usb (except literally), flash drives shouldn't be called "keys", and it may cause confusion to call grub a "terminal" in a linux context
2021-05-29 02:11:02 <Hello71> depending on how old your mac pro is, it may only support 32-bit efi
2021-05-29 02:11:32 <Hello71> in fact iirc unless you're using cheese grater mac, it most likely only supports 32-bit efi
2021-05-29 02:12:08 <Hello71> hm, wait, no, trash can is 64
2021-05-29 02:12:38 <larzen> system worked =) UEFI installed alpine, no issues
2021-05-29 02:13:03 <larzen> now.. it looks like all the changes persist.. i was hoping for run from ram.
2021-05-29 02:13:14 <Hello71> /nick DenverCoder9
2021-05-29 02:22:34 <larzen> I see my problem. I ran the USB and then ran "setup-alpine". I should have probably ran setup-bootable
2021-05-29 02:26:31 <Dragonfly> first they came for the #liberia ns and we said nothing, then they came for #israel and we said nothing, they even went after chatters with #autism. they dont want us to #stopasianhate
2021-05-29 02:27:26 <pinskia> he spamed as many channels as he could
2021-05-29 02:28:42 <pinskia> sorry they could
2021-05-29 02:29:14 <Skinny_Minny> first they came for the #liberia ns and we said nothing, then they came for #israel and we said nothing, they even went after chatters with #autism. they dont want us to #stopasianhate
2021-05-29 02:32:26 <Baby_Bird> first they came for the #liberia ns and we said nothing, then they came for #israel and we said nothing, they even went after chatters with #autism. they dont want us to #stopasianhate
2021-05-29 03:35:06 <larzen> Anyone here?
2021-05-29 03:35:23 <larzen> I've been trying to get the diskless / run from ram mode working .. without any success
2021-05-29 03:35:31 <larzen> i keep getting "Mounting boot media failed"
2021-05-29 03:35:48 <larzen> Does anyone have any ideas?
2021-05-29 05:41:33 <larzen> Anyone around?
2021-05-29 06:49:49 <lopid> is the drive itself detected?
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2021-05-29 12:26:01 <Hello71> https://git.alpinelinux.org/aports/tree/community/open-vm-tools/APKBUILD?h=3.13-stable#n11
2021-05-29 12:27:21 <Hello71> https://git.alpinelinux.org/aports/commit/community/open-vm-tools/APKBUILD?id=2fa6e1e025d58dc5782692238e62968f95558ef4 no details :|
2021-05-29 14:07:29 <rapha> hi all
2021-05-29 14:07:43 <ikke> o/
2021-05-29 14:07:49 <rapha> \o ikke :)
2021-05-29 14:07:59 <rapha> soooo there might be a bug with btrfs handling
2021-05-29 14:08:17 <rapha> got a 4x8TB stripe here which is without errors but doesn't mount during boot
2021-05-29 14:08:34 <rapha> after running btrfs device scan /dev/sd[c-f] (or whatever sd* it happens to be), works fine
2021-05-29 14:08:56 <rapha> lsmod shows btrfs loaded before the manual mount attempt tho, so that's not it
2021-05-29 14:09:02 <rapha> any idea how to troubleshoot this?
2021-05-29 14:09:42 <rapha> (and before another person suggests i might have a faulty array despite faultless checks and because of non-ECC RAM: the RAM *is* ECC)
2021-05-29 14:10:15 <ikke> Do you get an error when booting?
2021-05-29 14:10:58 <rapha> yeah
2021-05-29 14:11:05 <rapha> "some local file systems could not be mounted"
2021-05-29 14:11:20 <rapha> but anything above that scrolls by too fast and the viewer of the out-of-band-controller can't handle PgUp
2021-05-29 14:12:28 <ikke> Are you getting dropped in an emergency shell?
2021-05-29 14:13:32 <rapha> nope i'm not booting from an unmirrored 32TB array lol :P
2021-05-29 14:13:50 <ikke> heh
2021-05-29 14:13:54 <rapha> this is for temporary storage of large amounts of data only
2021-05-29 14:13:58 <ikke> ok
2021-05-29 14:14:10 <rapha> 4xWD Gold, helium filled, though, so it's reasonable good quality disks
2021-05-29 14:14:25 <rapha> wondering if i'm hitting a bug in mkinitfs
2021-05-29 14:14:29 <rapha> but no clue how to diagnose
2021-05-29 14:15:47 <rapha> ikke: https://github.com/alpinelinux/mkinitfs/blob/a4d6120aa949cdb6d18eb8241c4706f96685a359/initramfs-init.in#L510 ... so this seems fishy, because that is the exact command i have to run to make it work
2021-05-29 14:16:24 <ikke> but that's only for the root volume..
2021-05-29 14:16:33 <rapha> ooooh
2021-05-29 14:17:01 <rapha> so, where is it sposed to do that for non-root-vols? some init script?
2021-05-29 14:17:13 <ikke> if it's not the root volume, it's fstab that should mount additional volumes
2021-05-29 14:17:18 <rapha> well
2021-05-29 14:17:21 <rapha> the vol is in fstab
2021-05-29 14:17:31 <ikke> so what happens if you try mount -a after boot?
2021-05-29 14:17:37 <rapha> same error
2021-05-29 14:17:45 <rapha> have to run the scan first
2021-05-29 14:18:29 <rapha> not sure as i said if its being shown during boot, but in dmesg:
2021-05-29 14:18:31 <rapha> [   10.792403] BTRFS error (device sdc): devid 2 uuid fd96bedd-c826-4d58-a048-f4e10da9d566 is missing
2021-05-29 14:18:33 <rapha> [   10.792405] BTRFS error (device sdc): failed to read the system array: -2
2021-05-29 14:18:35 <rapha> [   10.830688] BTRFS error (device sdc): open_ctree failed 
2021-05-29 14:19:00 <rapha> ikke: also if you want to see the kitchen sink: https://gist.github.com/sixtyfive/41015522a3f3914551b62aeb88c0eac8
2021-05-29 14:21:24 <rapha> rc-status
2021-05-29 14:21:26 <rapha> whoop
2021-05-29 14:21:28 <rapha> ss
2021-05-29 14:22:00 <ikke> heh, I know how that happens :D
2021-05-29 14:22:09 <rapha> ikke: is the output of rc-status sorted or unsorted? because it _does_ have udev-settle _after_ fsck
2021-05-29 14:22:23 <ikke> rapha: I'm not sure
2021-05-29 14:22:57 <rapha> there should be a way to make udev-settle a dep of fsck tho, right?
2021-05-29 14:23:18 <rapha> like, edit depend() in /etc/init.d/fsck
2021-05-29 14:23:24 <rapha> but i'm reluctant to touch there
2021-05-29 14:23:46 <rapha> rn it says "after clock" and i'm thinking of "after clock udev-settle"
2021-05-29 14:24:28 <ikke> I'm not sure if fsck is depending on udiv
2021-05-29 14:24:30 <ikke> udev*
2021-05-29 14:25:03 <rapha> er lol
2021-05-29 14:25:08 <rapha> mistook fsck for fstab
2021-05-29 14:25:10 <rapha> argl
2021-05-29 14:25:13 <rapha> brain is messed up
2021-05-29 14:25:25 <ikke> You want to look at localmount
2021-05-29 14:26:48 <rapha> that has "need fsck root"
2021-05-29 14:27:03 <rapha> is it safe-ish to make that into "need udev-settle fsck root"?
2021-05-29 14:27:40 <rapha> (no, i really don't give a damn about boot time in case you're wondering :P )
2021-05-29 14:28:35 <ikke> Does udev-settle make sure the btrfs devices are scanned?
2021-05-29 14:30:06 <rapha> it was suggested by the btrfs ppl that that's a possibility ... the devices not being there yet by the time the scan is run
2021-05-29 14:30:17 <rapha> otoh i've not been able to identify where the scan is supposed to be run
2021-05-29 14:30:25 <rapha> so just on a fishing expedition here
2021-05-29 14:31:17 <rapha> https://gitlab.alpinelinux.org/alpine/alpine-baselayout doesn't even have localmount or any of the openrc stuff
2021-05-29 14:31:49 <ikke> busyhttps://pkgs.alpinelinux.org/contents?branch=edge&name=busybox-initscripts&arch=x86_64&repo=main
2021-05-29 14:32:24 <rapha> aha!
2021-05-29 14:32:30 <rapha> who woulda thunk
2021-05-29 14:36:55 <rapha> also, no
2021-05-29 14:37:11 <rapha> https://github.com/OpenRC/openrc/blob/master/init.d/localmount.in
2021-05-29 14:37:35 <ikke> I have no experience with btrfs, so no clue what should take care of that
2021-05-29 14:37:46 <rapha> i'll talk to the openrc ppl
2021-05-29 14:37:55 <rapha> if they feel like it's their responsibility
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2021-05-29 14:50:09 <PureTryOut> Fun, now they spam OFTC as well?
2021-05-29 14:50:38 <nickersonm> They have been for a while, but this channel was on +R
2021-05-29 14:50:40 <Oxylibrium> seems to be the case
2021-05-29 14:51:01 <rapha> aha!
2021-05-29 14:51:18 <rapha> ikke: "failed to open /dev/btrfs-control" during boot ... this time my eyes were in the right place at the right time
2021-05-29 14:51:35 <rapha> perhaps put it back on +R for a few weeks nickersonm :P
2021-05-29 14:52:06 <ikke> Put it back
2021-05-29 14:52:50 <PureTryOut> What does +R mean?
2021-05-29 14:53:07 <ikke> You need to be registered and identified 
2021-05-29 14:53:20 <Oxylibrium> +R means you need a registered nick on OFTC
2021-05-29 14:53:27 <PureTryOut> Ah ok. Annoying for Matrix users, but makes sense
2021-05-29 14:54:39 <ikke> Yeah, we don't want it permanently 
2021-05-29 14:57:20 <nickersonm> rapha: for my BTRFS volume I added a `btrfs device scan` openrc job before localmount, as described halfway down here: https://deepwest.xyz/guide/alpine-linux-nas/  - but I'm not yet terribly familiar with alpine or btrfs, I don't know if that is your problem
2021-05-29 15:07:51 <rapha> nickersonm: yeah it is ... but also that the kernel module is not being loaded early enough
2021-05-29 15:17:13 <rapha> ah nevermind that one was on me
2021-05-29 15:25:01 <rapha> okay, so, "rc-service mdev status" says started, but "rc-status | ack mdev" is empty. hmm.
2021-05-29 15:32:33 <rapha> nickersonm: so it seems that mdev would be responsible for running `btrfs device scan`, but i can't figure out how to tell it to do that, let alone find a homepage for the project. so i give up at this point and will do what you're doing, period.
2021-05-29 15:50:24 <lopid> is there bash completion for apk?
2021-05-29 15:55:54 <nickersonm> rapha: Sorry, disconnected for a bit, but adding btrfs to /etc/modules and setting up the OpenRC script seems to be all that is needed for my secondary btrfs drive to work on alpine.
2021-05-29 15:57:06 <rapha> nickersonm: yes it is. my gripe was that i felt this should work ootb. since i can't find out how to contact the mdev project, it'll stay the way it is.
2021-05-29 17:14:38 <glemsom> I have a system running from a USB Stick, with a APK cache on same USB device (basecly this guide: https://wiki.alpinelinux.org/wiki/Create_a_Bootable_Device). But, for some odd reason - sometimes my installed APK's are not loaded from cache during startup. I've tried setting waitusb=5 - but this made no difference. Any recommendations to how I can troubleshoot this ?
2021-05-29 17:25:57 <nico[m]> What's the "right way" to enable IPv6 only networking / autoconfiguration in ifupdown-ng? I don't see any hint in interfaces(5), only dhcp for ipv4
2021-05-29 17:26:15 <nico[m]> I am currently using `up /sbin/ip link set \$IFACE up` - but that feels somewhat hacky
2021-05-29 17:44:17 <ikke> nico[m]: isn't `iface eth0` or something like that enough?
2021-05-29 17:44:33 <ikke> nico[m]: You could in any case add `use ipv6-ra`
2021-05-29 17:44:44 <ikke> https://github.com/ifupdown-ng/ifupdown-ng/blob/master/executor-scripts/linux/ipv6-ra
2021-05-29 18:38:17 <valerius> anyone running Alpine on a barebones firewall?
2021-05-29 18:41:43 <nico[m]> ikke: thanks, will do that
2021-05-29 18:43:07 <nico[m]> I am facing a funky problem at the moment: I am installing alpine to usb sticks using https://code.ungleich.ch/ungleich-public/ungleich-tools/-/blob/master/alpine-install-on-disk.sh -- however when it boots it fails with `mounting /dev/sdb1 on /sysroot failed: No such file or directory`
2021-05-29 18:43:25 <nico[m]> The strange thing though is, the usb stick *is* /dev/sdb, there is /dev/sdb1 and inside the initramfs I can execute `mount -t ext4 /dev/sdb1 /sysroot`
2021-05-29 18:44:02 <nico[m]> mkinitfs.conf's features contains usb -- does the order in it matter? because it is listed after ext4
2021-05-29 18:44:40 <ikke> afaik, it does not matter
2021-05-29 18:45:15 <nico[m]> grr... I really wonder what is actually missing
2021-05-29 18:46:24 <Sheila> you could try using UUID=… instead of /dev/sd*
2021-05-29 18:46:45 <nico[m]> The grub config actually contains UUID=
2021-05-29 18:47:00 <nico[m]> The error message from within the initramfs is regarding /dev/sdb1 though - I assume that the path was resolved
2021-05-29 18:53:29 <rob0> valerius, if you have a specific question, that might get you a useful response.  Basically any Linux can be made to act as a firewall.
2021-05-29 18:56:57 <larzen> Alright, finally was able to get in here...
2021-05-29 18:57:34 <larzen> So.. trying to do an rpi style installation on an SSD on a server... followed several guides, no go. sys installer works like a dream
2021-05-29 18:57:37 <nico[m]> got it
2021-05-29 18:57:40 <nico[m]> I am fooled by busybox mount
2021-05-29 18:58:01 <nico[m]> Which does not work without -t ext4 / without an fstab
2021-05-29 18:59:08 <larzen> is busybox also responsible for the odd version of fdisk that appears to come OOB?
2021-05-29 19:03:16 <valerius> rob0, I am not asking any specific question beyond if anyone else is using Alpine on a barebones firewall
2021-05-29 19:03:39 <valerius> just curious about what types of hardware people may be using for that
2021-05-29 19:03:52 <larzen> @ikke - you seemed to have a fairly good idea on how to build a diskless install
2021-05-29 19:04:43 <ikke> larzen: well, in general 'it just works'™
2021-05-29 19:06:03 <rob0> valerius, mainly I'd suggest that the NIC and wireless NIC are adequate to support the level of service you have.  Same with any switches.  In terms of RAM/CPU, it's a minor job, so you can go cheap.
2021-05-29 19:06:19 <ikke> larzen: what specific issue are you running into
2021-05-29 19:07:01 <larzen> I've attempted this with no success: 1/ built my USB key 2/ booted it correctly on barebones server 3/ run setup-alpine, with no options, then 4/ ran the setup-bootable outcome was "Failed to find boot"
2021-05-29 19:07:34 <larzen> I also took the USB mounted the HD, and literally copied the exact version of the contents as on the USB - same result. 
2021-05-29 19:08:09 <larzen> there is an EFI (F32) partition with uniso of the x86_64 version of the iso
2021-05-29 19:08:30 <larzen> but when I perform a sys install on the server on bare metal, the system works flawlessly.
2021-05-29 19:10:54 <larzen> "Mounting boot media failed"
2021-05-29 19:11:19 <larzen> I can easily reproduce this problem on two different systems here.
2021-05-29 19:12:02 <larzen> There are two cases: 1/ I manually config the disk and copy the contents of the ISO; 2/ I run setup-bootable - both result in the exact same error
2021-05-29 19:13:00 <larzen> In both cases, I can confirm that grub / EFI bootloader is being used.
2021-05-29 19:18:32 <larzen> I am guessing this is a problem somewhere in the initrd..maybe I need to be including a parameter in the grub.cfg that is not there in the .ISO
2021-05-29 19:24:17 <ikke> if run-from-ram, there is no grub involved...
2021-05-29 19:25:21 <larzen> @ikke - I see the grub boot selector screen..so it looks like the EFI stub is pointing at grub
2021-05-29 19:25:37 <larzen> Is there a guide or resource that you can suggest?
2021-05-29 19:25:58 <ikke> You have a bootable usb disk that is writable
2021-05-29 19:26:02 <ikke> you install diskless
2021-05-29 19:26:12 <ikke> you boot with the same usb disk, but now with an apkovl
2021-05-29 19:26:40 <ikke> there is no disk involved (unless you separately mount it)
2021-05-29 19:27:06 <larzen> ikke correct. But is there no way for me to copy the contents of that USB onto the local HD and have it do the same (so that I don't have to have a USB stick hanging out)?
2021-05-29 19:27:51 <ikke> I guess in a similar way you create a bootable USB
2021-05-29 19:27:53 <larzen> Here is a guide: https://www.fedux.org/articles/2020/10/05/setup-alpine-linux-diskless.html
2021-05-29 19:28:15 <larzen> right.. exactly! except, for some reason the initramfs gives me the Mounting boot media failed error
2021-05-29 19:36:55 <nico[m]> How does the initramfs work in terms of mounting the root filesystem? Because it seems fixing the /etc/fstab on the rootfs prior to running mkinitfs does not fix the situation
2021-05-29 19:37:27 <ikke> nico[m]: https://gitlab.alpinelinux.org/alpine/mkinitfs/-/blob/master/initramfs-init.in#L561
2021-05-29 19:38:03 <ikke> or actually: https://gitlab.alpinelinux.org/alpine/mkinitfs/-/blob/master/initramfs-init.in#L507
2021-05-29 19:38:15 <nico[m]> interesting, never used nlplug-findfs before - checking it out
2021-05-29 19:39:48 <nico[m]> so KOPT_root contains root=UUID=... -- checking what nlplug-findfs does with that on a failing system
2021-05-29 19:40:13 <ikke> nico[m]: what does your root fs look like?
2021-05-29 19:41:32 <ikke> nico[m]: https://gitlab.alpinelinux.org/alpine/aports/-/issues/12325
2021-05-29 19:42:37 <nico[m]> ikke: the rootfs is a standard ext4; the disk is a single partition (/ = everything)
2021-05-29 19:42:51 <ikke> nico[m]: hmm, ok
2021-05-29 19:43:15 <nico[m]> Should nlplug-findfs leave something / output something? The manpage does not say much about it
2021-05-29 19:44:08 <ikke> it executes mdev, which makes sure the device nodes are created
2021-05-29 19:45:02 <nico[m]> The device nodes exist, that seems not to be the problem
2021-05-29 19:45:29 <nico[m]> From the error message it smells like mount /dev/sdb1 is called, with -t ext4 missing
2021-05-29 19:46:00 <nico[m]> It looks like aborting in https://gitlab.alpinelinux.org/alpine/mkinitfs/-/blob/master/initramfs-init.in#L535
2021-05-29 19:46:43 <ikke> Do you have rootfstype set in your kernel cmdline?
2021-05-29 19:47:06 <ikke> rootfstype=ext4
2021-05-29 19:48:01 <nico[m]> Let me check, I let grub generate the config
2021-05-29 19:48:32 <nico[m]> no, not included
2021-05-29 19:48:55 <nico[m]> Checking the grub config now
2021-05-29 19:50:41 <nico[m]> Interesting. on my notebooks, rootfsflags is set
2021-05-29 19:51:03 <ikke> rootflags?
2021-05-29 19:51:45 <nico[m]> type, sorry
2021-05-29 19:52:09 <ikke> no worry
2021-05-29 19:53:16 <nico[m]> If I call `grub-mkconfig` on my notebook, it includes rootfstype=ext4 in the generated config. why does that not happen, when I install grub in the chroot...
2021-05-29 19:53:18 <nico[m]> mounts! It could be missing mounts!
2021-05-29 19:54:11 <nico[m]> rebuilding
2021-05-29 20:13:28 <nico[m]> grr...rootfstype is stilll not being added automatically, even with /dev, /sys and /proc mounted
2021-05-29 20:16:49 <nico[m]> my notebook does not mention rootfstype anywhere in  /etc, but grub-mkconfig contains `linux	/vmlinuz-lts root=UUID=a8fb0bcc-a526-43a6-b812-d3baeadbc4e0 ro  modules=sd-mod,usb-storage,ext4 nomodeset quiet rootfstype=ext4 cryptroot=/dev/nvme0n1p3 cryptdm=root`
2021-05-29 20:19:00 <nico[m]> The chroot on the other hand contains `linux	/boot/vmlinuz-lts root=UUID=e869460e-7885-4b7e-894b-a56f7abb7438 ro` in grub-mkconfig
2021-05-29 20:19:35 <nico[m]> GOSH
2021-05-29 20:20:07 <nico[m]> 10_linux reads /etc/update-extlinux.conf !
2021-05-29 22:04:00 <Hello71> yes, it is patched
2021-05-29 22:04:20 <Hello71> imo the patch is a bad idea and instead setup-alpine should edit /etc/default/grub
2021-05-29 22:04:30 <Hello71> setup-disk actually i think
2021-05-29 22:16:19 <rapha> ikke: fwiw a friend made a good argument that `btrfs device scan` should be performed in /etc/init.d/fsck, and not by udev or a replacement to it, because it also needs to be run just to be able to fsck a multi-device volume. 
2021-05-30 01:26:26 <petrj> is there a pull request system to update wiki?
2021-05-30 01:28:41 <petrj> e.g. this page https://wiki.alpinelinux.org/wiki/Alpine_Newbies_Openbox_Window_Manager assumes user will just figure out "a lot" of missing detail.. while its sibling page https://wiki.alpinelinux.org/wiki/Xfce_Setup lists sequential steps correctly in a .. 'from scratch to shoot' manner.
2021-05-30 01:29:06 <petrj> i'm just trying out different stuff on baremetal and noticed these disparities :) 
2021-05-30 04:30:16 <larzen> hmm im trying to run an init.d script to run when the system starts (it's a docker container)
2021-05-30 04:30:41 <larzen> the script runs when I run it manually, but for some reason, no go on system restart.
2021-05-30 04:31:10 <larzen> I did the rc-update add <script name> and see it un rc-status default
2021-05-30 04:31:19 <larzen> except is comes up as stopped
2021-05-30 05:18:12 <kevint> larzen maybe it needs more in depend()? What is it currently set to "need" in that function?
2021-05-30 05:21:23 <raven523> what is the container set to run on startup? does it run openrc?
2021-05-30 06:42:24 <anjan> Hi, do all packages need a contributor as well as a maintainer?
2021-05-30 06:42:33 <anjan> Can the package just have a maintainer?
2021-05-30 06:42:47 <ikke> yes
2021-05-30 06:43:15 <ikke> contributors are completely optional
2021-05-30 06:44:31 <anjan> thank you ikke 
2021-05-30 06:59:31 <ikke> anjan: feel free to also join #alpine-devel for questions around packaging
2021-05-30 06:59:48 <anjan> ikke: Ok I will join! Sorry if I was offtopic
2021-05-30 07:00:03 <ikke> don't worry
2021-05-30 10:25:52 <holgersson> My host is Gentoo, I'm using a "CP2102 USB to UART Bridge" and triple-checked that my wiring is correct.
2021-05-30 10:25:52 <holgersson> Hi, I can't connect to my raspi zero w with alpine. 'screen /dev/ttyUSB0 115200' just stays empty. I'm following https://wiki.alpinelinux.org/wiki/Raspberry_Pi_Zero_W_-_Installation
2021-05-30 10:26:09 <holgersson> any idea what I might have missed?
2021-05-30 10:33:31 <lopid> does /dev/ttyUSB0 exist?
2021-05-30 10:36:50 <holgersson> yes, and it's rw for me ;)
2021-05-30 10:37:22 <holgersson> I think screen bails out if not with "[screen is terminating]".
2021-05-30 10:39:33 <lopid> what are you trying to do with that screen command? won't that try to execute "/dev/ttyUSB0 115200" as a command?
2021-05-30 10:39:56 <mercenary> no. that opens a serial terminal
2021-05-30 10:40:04 <holgersson> ^ 
2021-05-30 10:41:03 <mercenary> if you do a loop test on the serial setup: take rx/tx off the device and connect them together, do you get echo?
2021-05-30 10:41:09 <jn> do you connect with screen after the rpi has booted?
2021-05-30 10:41:25 <jn> have you tried hitting the enter key a few times?
2021-05-30 10:41:45 <ikke> holgersson: did you setup the kernel to write to ttyUSB0?
2021-05-30 10:42:01 <ikke> console=ttyUSB0
2021-05-30 10:42:26 <jn> ikke: i think that would be /dev/ttyAMA0 on the rpi side
2021-05-30 10:42:36 <ikke> oh, right
2021-05-30 10:42:44 <ikke> yes
2021-05-30 10:43:12 <holgersson> mercenary: good idea, wait a sec
2021-05-30 10:43:15 <holgersson> jn: yes
2021-05-30 10:43:39 <holgersson> ikke:  console=tty1 console=ttyAMA0,115200 - do I need /dev/ aswell in the cmdline?
2021-05-30 10:43:56 <ikke> no, /dev/ is not necessary
2021-05-30 10:44:27 <holgersson> ikke: OK
2021-05-30 10:45:09 <holgersson> mercenary: yes, echo works
2021-05-30 10:45:35 <mercenary> cool, so screen, converter etc. work
2021-05-30 10:45:45 <ikke> nice trick
2021-05-30 10:46:08 <holgersson> 
ACTION adds this to his debug check list.

2021-05-30 10:46:27 <holgersson> hm, I'll try another set of cables
2021-05-30 10:46:58 <mercenary> what voltages does rpi0 use again? 3.3?
2021-05-30 10:47:42 <holgersson> 5 for input
2021-05-30 10:51:13 <holgersson> other cables don't change anything
2021-05-30 10:51:27 <alimj> Logic level is 3.3V. Supply is 5V.
2021-05-30 10:51:37 <holgersson> yes
2021-05-30 10:53:51 <alimj> I am late to the discussion but I would try a loopback with UART cable to see if Gentoo/screen config is OK:
2021-05-30 10:54:44 <alimj> https://i2.wp.com/tutorial.cytron.com.my/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/DSC06553.jpg
2021-05-30 10:54:56 <mercenary> alimj: that has been confirmed
2021-05-30 10:57:07 <mercenary> this is the point where having tx/rd LEDs is useful, to see if the rpi actually sends anything at all
2021-05-30 11:07:23 <PiRATA> hey *
2021-05-30 11:08:11 <PiRATA> anyone running a kvm hypervisor under alpine? I think I gonna replace proxmox lol
2021-05-30 11:08:28 <PiRATA> has a nice GUI but gets old quick
2021-05-30 11:09:33 <PiRATA> s/I/I'm gonna
2021-05-30 11:09:33 <alpine-meetbot> PiRATA meant to say: has a nice GUI'm gonna but gets old quick
2021-05-30 11:56:35 <holgersson> PiRATA: I was so annoyed by other qemu/kvm management software that I wrote a shell script instead: https://paste.xinu.at/CDTfpT/
2021-05-30 11:56:35 <holgersson> PiRATA: While I'm on Gentoo it should work on alpine aswell.
2021-05-30 12:19:41 <donoban> It looks nice holgersson, I have a win7 VM with libvirt but when I tried to run it directly with qemu it crashes
2021-05-30 12:22:32 <holgersson> donoban: Does your win7 boot with my script? I have several assumptions though, like "vm/<vm-name>/virtual-machine.img" and virtio drivers which need special drivers and AFAIK extra software for non-linux guests.
2021-05-30 12:23:15 <donoban> I haven't tried, I could take look later
2021-05-30 12:24:23 <donoban> I migrated my VM from system session to user session, so I could stop running libvirtd service
2021-05-30 12:25:03 <donoban> and I noticed that running it with User Session it saves the VM state automatically when I power off
2021-05-30 12:25:58 <holgersson> didn't use libvirt for a long time, dunno
2021-05-30 12:27:46 <donoban> I hope your script works fine and I can remove it hehe
2021-05-30 12:28:38 <holgersson> I don't promise anything - it works fine for me :-P
2021-05-30 12:29:21 <donoban> :)
2021-05-30 12:38:22 <clandmeter> donoban: check also qemu-openrc
2021-05-30 12:47:46 <donoban> ok thanks
2021-05-30 12:50:11 <donoban> it looks nice too
2021-05-30 13:08:10 <lewhoo> hello
2021-05-30 13:11:27 <lewhoo> I've installed alpine 3.13 in VirtualBox. It seems that virtualbox-guest-modules-virt is missing for this version
2021-05-30 13:11:40 <lewhoo> is there a way to get the shared clipboard running?
2021-05-30 13:58:39 <PiRATA> olgersson: nice script
2021-05-30 13:59:18 <PiRATA> I totally get it
2021-05-30 13:59:33 <PiRATA> I can't stand ovirt/virt-manager
2021-05-30 14:08:27 <Hello71> lewhoo: clipboard is totally unrelated to kernel
2021-05-30 14:08:38 <Hello71> if you think about it, it must be implemented in x
2021-05-30 14:09:00 <Hello71> you can install virtualbox-guest-additions
2021-05-30 14:09:07 <Hello71> but better to uninstall virtualbox and use qemu instead
2021-05-30 14:23:46 <_bleb> my vm died a couple days ago and i just restarted it.  trying to diagnose why it died.  /var/log/messages has some info about failed ssh logins (expected), then what shows up in less as a couple lines of ^@, then the logs from when i boot it today
2021-05-30 14:24:45 <_bleb> anywhere else i might look to see why the vm stopped?
2021-05-30 14:26:09 <_bleb> i could have been stopped by ramnode for some unspecified reason and without warning, but i would like to do an exhaustive search for indications that linux shut itself down
2021-05-30 14:28:07 <Hello71> if it's not in /var/log then you probably need to ask them
2021-05-30 14:34:20 <_bleb> ok
2021-05-30 15:21:01 <lewhoo> Hello71: I am not sure what's inside the packages. I've installed virtualbox-guest-additions, the clipboard is enabled in VBox, but doesn't work. I didn't have this problem with other distirbutions, thus I am asking what's missing here...
2021-05-30 15:21:32 <lewhoo> I've installed xfce on alpine
2021-05-30 16:13:45 <ikke> lewhoo: did you start the vbox-client 
2021-05-30 16:14:05 <lewhoo> ikke: what do you mean?
2021-05-30 16:14:10 <lewhoo> some internal alpine program?
2021-05-30 16:36:23 <ikke> No, the userspace program that actually shares the clipboard 
2021-05-30 16:38:53 <lewhoo> on the host or guest side?
2021-05-30 16:39:09 <lewhoo> on the host side I think everything needed is running since I can share with other guests
2021-05-30 16:42:35 <ikke> on the guest
2021-05-30 16:44:35 <lewhoo> I cna see only VBoxControl and VBoxService
2021-05-30 16:46:20 <lewhoo> and in repository there is no client
2021-05-30 16:49:11 <lewhoo> ok, works :)
2021-05-30 16:49:26 <lewhoo> I needed to install virtualbox-guest-additions-x11
2021-05-30 16:49:29 <lewhoo> then run the client
2021-05-30 16:49:38 <lewhoo> ehh, I didn't find it in the docs
2021-05-30 16:56:44 <ikke> these are general virtualbox instructions
2021-05-30 16:57:19 <lewhoo> yet I never needed them
2021-05-30 16:57:47 <lewhoo> and I didn't find info that I need to install virtualbox-guest-additions-x11 aside from virtualbox-guest-additions
2021-05-30 17:14:58 <nico[m]> I'm trying to start pipewire as user or root, but i always get `[E][000077722.497793][pipewire.c:113 main()] failed to create context: Invalid argument` - has anyone seen that?
2021-05-30 17:26:16 <frojnd> Hi there.
2021-05-30 17:26:34 <frojnd> Is this the right resource for making an alpine package: https://wiki.alpinelinux.org/wiki/Creating_an_Alpine_package ?
2021-05-30 17:27:02 <ikke> sounds like it :)
2021-05-30 17:27:29 <ikke> But yes, it is
2021-05-30 17:28:02 <frojnd> Ok
2021-05-30 19:05:03 <zorp> hi, quick question! why is there no brother backend for sane in the repos?
2021-05-30 19:05:30 <ikke> easy answer: nobody packaged it
2021-05-30 19:05:59 <zorp> all other backends seem to be there, that's why it got me confused
2021-05-30 19:11:42 <ikke> "As this software contains non-free parts, it can't be included into SANE."
2021-05-30 19:12:10 <ikke> there's your answer
2021-05-30 19:17:13 <rob0> Brother is insane, therefore not in SANE?
2021-05-30 20:20:07 <larzen> any idea why a docker based alpine would respond with RROR: unable to select packages: when i try to do apk add <pkgname>
2021-05-30 20:27:01 <ikke> You should be a little bit more specific
2021-05-30 20:37:49 <Hello71> it doesn't work
2021-05-30 21:47:56 <bn_work> test
2021-05-30 21:50:27 <MY-R> 
ACTION You can not write text in this buffer

2021-05-30 21:55:24 <bn_work> so I guess the chan has moved here... just out of curiosity why oftc vs the new libera fork?  is it just that oftc is more established or has more features (or just less politics :) )?
2021-05-30 22:02:37 <valerius> all of the above
2021-05-30 22:04:26 <rob0> fwiw I don't think it's fair to blame the libera staff for the leenode debacle
2021-05-30 22:05:05 <rob0> it wasn't politics, it was lies and a hostile takeover
2021-05-30 22:06:09 <rob0> that said, I have nothing against oftc nor the decision to move here.
2021-05-30 22:07:46 <bn_work> rob0: yeah, I wasn't suggesting the blame was the libera's staff, I was just wondering if moving to oftc would be seen as more neutral for those that had an opinion on for/against the split/schism 
2021-05-30 22:09:07 <bn_work> I'm not entirely familiar with what happened, but it sounded like it was basically as you described though from what I had read
2021-05-30 22:22:42 <danieli> it completely removes alpine from the drama, and at the time alpine was preparing the move to a new network, libera was not yet open
2021-05-30 22:22:53 <danieli> plus, there was no matrix bridge on libera
2021-05-30 22:23:08 <danieli> but the drama itself is a better topic for #alpine-offtopic 
2021-05-30 22:56:44 <Naib> matrix bridge is up now on libera btw
2021-05-30 23:37:48 <LACampbell> the important thing is how great alpine linux is
2021-05-30 23:40:53 <Naib> :)
2021-05-30 23:45:34 <LACampbell> does apk have no man page? I'd expect it to be in apk-doc, but no luck
2021-05-30 23:52:10 <Shiz> it's in apk-tools-doc
2021-05-30 23:52:21 <Shiz> apk-doc doesn't exist :p
2021-05-30 23:52:40 <Shiz> (found thru https://pkgs.alpinelinux.org/contents?file=apk.*&path=*man*&name=&branch=edge )
2021-05-31 00:09:36 <LACampbell> I've really gotta learn to use that search thing better
2021-05-31 00:09:49 <LACampbell> I only found telnet was in busybox-extras after googling
2021-05-31 16:43:48 <vrez161> hello, been trying to set up FDE and currently getting dropped into initramfs shell, saying it cant find the disk. When I do blkid in initfs recovery shell I get empty reply, but if I have a usb disk plugged in, it shows up.  I'm installing on a tablet (Windows) fwiw and the installation medium is the internal emmc.
2021-05-31 16:51:06 <MY-R> vrez161: do you have "mmc" module in "/etc/mkinitfs/mkinitfs.conf" features="... mmc ..." ?
2021-05-31 16:51:47 <vrez161> i do not :D
2021-05-31 16:55:16 <MY-R> vrez161: so be sure you have it and regenerate initramfs with command "mkinitfs"
2021-05-31 16:56:57 <vrez161> MY-R: I was wondering about that before, I couldn't find where those modules are coming from, do you happen to know?
2021-05-31 16:57:33 <MY-R> vrez161: check "/etc/mkinitfs/features.d" and you will know :)
2021-05-31 17:04:42 <vrez161> MY-R: Aha, I did went through the list before but completely skimmer over the mmc module, thought more may exist, thanks
2021-05-31 17:08:50 <vrez161> and it boots! thanks for the quick reply MY-R 
2021-05-31 17:28:02 <MY-R> vrez161: np, enjoy!
2021-05-31 19:26:04 <chexo4> test test
2021-05-31 19:26:06 <chexo4> hello
2021-05-31 19:26:31 <kevint> Hello
2021-05-31 19:27:25 <chexo4> Hello all! I found sgerrand's alpine linux glibc compatibility package, but I've not been able to get it working in the past. Has anyone written a guide for it recently? 
2021-05-31 19:28:16 <ikke> chexo4: are you aware of gcompat?
2021-05-31 19:28:47 <chexo4> i am not
2021-05-31 19:28:58 <ikke> That's usually the go-to compat layer used on alpine
2021-05-31 19:29:25 <chexo4> that looks a lot easier, thanks!
2021-05-31 19:29:28 <ikke> https://git.adelielinux.org/adelie/gcompat
2021-05-31 19:29:29 <chexo4> will install that instead
2021-05-31 19:30:17 <chexo4> It's on the official repositories, so I will use that.
2021-05-31 19:34:22 <chexo4> That reminds me, what would y'all consider as minimum hardware requirements to comfortably do VFIO on a Ryzen system, on Alpine? Right now I have a Ryzen 2200G, but I'm worried that I'll want or need more cores to give to the guests.
2021-05-31 21:40:13 <Exagone313> Hi, is there, on package website, an alias that will always point to the latest stable Alpine Linux version?  E.g. https://pkgs.alpinelinux.org/package/v3.13/main/x86_64/nginx but where v3.13 is replaced by a non-versioned keyword.
2021-05-31 21:41:37 <Exagone313> I'm also wondering for the search form, if I could have the branch=v3.13 param replaced by a stable keyword.
2021-05-31 23:11:04 <eletrotupi> I think there is the latest keyword 
2021-05-31 23:12:16 <eletrotupi> http://dl-cdn.alpinelinux.org/alpine/ you can see that there's the latest-stable directory there
2021-05-31 23:13:52 <eletrotupi> Also, there's a broken link to the lists page 
2021-05-31 23:21:05 <eletrotupi> opened a issue on the alpine-mksite repository