2018-08-01 00:14:47 <deedubs> I get my new work laptop next week.  Do I install Alpine on it ( -_- ) . o (hmmmm)
2018-08-01 00:34:29 <duncan^> Why not?
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2018-08-01 01:37:08 <danieli> not again
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2018-08-01 17:20:11 <PureTryOut[m]> uhm I can t talk anymore in the #alpine-devel room (from Matrix). I don t have the right permission it seems. I understand it s done to prevent the spam, but this is a bit annoying...
2018-08-01 17:21:46 <_ikke_> right, it has +r, so you need to be identified, but I have no idea how that works with the matrix bridge
2018-08-01 17:22:28 <PureTryOut[m]> but I am identified on Freenode...
2018-08-01 17:23:49 <_ikke_> does that also carry through over the matrix bridge?
2018-08-01 17:25:47 <PureTryOut[m]> yes. I just registered and identified the IRC side of my account
2018-08-01 17:25:48 <PureTryOut[m]> it works on every other channel
2018-08-01 17:27:59 <_ikke_> PureTryOut[m]: channels that have +r?
2018-08-01 17:28:55 <PureTryOut[m]> yes
2018-08-01 17:29:20 <PureTryOut[m]> today I managed to join a +r channel as well, where otherwise I would have been kicked automatically
2018-08-01 17:29:47 <_ikke_> Do you have issues saying anything in the channel?
2018-08-01 17:33:17 <loosh> what exactly is the message it's saying
2018-08-01 17:35:30 <PureTryOut[m]> nope it s just #alpine-devel:alpinelinux.org
2018-08-01 17:35:49 <PureTryOut[m]> 
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2018-08-01 17:35:56 <PureTryOut[m]> loosh:  ^
2018-08-01 17:36:07 <loosh> i meant that irc is giving you
2018-08-01 17:36:13 <PureTryOut[m]> uh, wrong one
2018-08-01 17:36:21 <PureTryOut[m]> 
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2018-08-01 17:36:24 <PureTryOut[m]> that s the correct one ^
2018-08-01 17:36:27 <loosh> oh
2018-08-01 17:36:30 <loosh> i see
2018-08-01 17:36:39 <PureTryOut[m]> IRC gives me nothing because even Matrix blocks it
2018-08-01 17:36:40 <loosh> i'm not sure what client that is but it is overly cryptic
2018-08-01 17:36:45 <_ikke_> I don't know how to give you that permission
2018-08-01 17:36:47 <loosh> idk what matrix is sorry
2018-08-01 17:37:07 <_ikke_> alternative chat system which can bridge into irc
2018-08-01 17:38:12 <PureTryOut[m]> 
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2018-08-01 17:38:13 <PureTryOut[m]> the problem is there ^ someone changed that for some reason
2018-08-01 17:38:27 <PureTryOut[m]> loosh: look it up, it s quite cool https://matrix.org
2018-08-01 17:39:09 <loosh> is this another shitty electron app
2018-08-01 17:40:31 <PureTryOut[m]> the client I m using is, the protocol itself not
2018-08-01 17:40:50 <PureTryOut[m]> there are native clients out there, I m just not using one of them right now as they lack a bit behind with this in terms of features
2018-08-01 18:13:37 <loosh> vista › i love your hostname
2018-08-01 19:19:51 <dfayruzov> hi
2018-08-01 19:20:14 <dfayruzov> is anybody here have experience with building custom images?
2018-08-01 19:20:36 <dfayruzov> I'm trying to boot Alpine from PXE server
2018-08-01 19:34:53 <notchisa> does anyone, by chance, have or had problems building packages from aports? no matter what package I try to build, abuild (from edge) always fails at "Analyzing dependencies..."
2018-08-01 19:34:55 <notchisa> i.e. https://a.uguu.se/Xfae8RR30qnp.txt https://a.uguu.se/ujrx8ih8UKkx.txt
2018-08-01 19:44:20 <liwakura> https://media.tenor.com/images/88de2b52f96ca4e812706c7b36155199/tenor.png
2018-08-01 19:44:26 <liwakura> oops
2018-08-01 19:44:34 <liwakura> that was not meant to be pasted
2018-08-01 19:46:02 <liwakura> dfayruzov: i PXE booted before
2018-08-01 19:48:16 <dfayruzov> liwakura: wow, can you please share list of steps to be done?
2018-08-01 19:48:37 <liwakura> sharing implies that i already have it
2018-08-01 19:49:03 <liwakura> uhm
2018-08-01 19:49:05 <clandmeter> we support booting from ipxe boot.alpinelinux.org
2018-08-01 19:49:12 <liwakura> http://boot.alpinelinux.org/
2018-08-01 19:49:23 <liwakura> ah yeah
2018-08-01 19:49:38 <loosh> it's a good paste
2018-08-01 19:49:40 <liwakura> clandmeter: now that you mention it, i always wanted armv7 arch on b.a.o
2018-08-01 19:49:54 <liwakura> arg, s/bugs/boot/
2018-08-01 19:50:26 <dfayruzov> yes I have been there.
2018-08-01 19:51:32 <clandmeter> liwakura: ipxe does not support arm32
2018-08-01 19:51:41 <clandmeter> and we do not ship armv7
2018-08-01 19:52:01 <clandmeter> we do have netboot images for armhf
2018-08-01 19:52:18 <liwakura> ah, i meant armhf
2018-08-01 19:54:01 <clandmeter> so im not sure how you want to netboot armhf
2018-08-01 19:54:09 <clandmeter> does any bootloader support it?
2018-08-01 19:55:08 <liwakura> qemu does, i've been secretly using boot.a.o as cross-arch bootstrap
2018-08-01 19:55:30 <liwakura> not sure if the alpine boot is compatible with what the rpi3 can do
2018-08-01 19:55:30 <clandmeter> i need to cleanup boot.a.o
2018-08-01 19:55:59 <clandmeter> i added a pr to support modloop verification.
2018-08-01 19:56:19 <clandmeter> and i am waiting for ncopa to add periodic snapshots of edge.
2018-08-01 19:56:48 <liwakura> what the snapshots for?
2018-08-01 19:57:04 <clandmeter> to have the most recent kernel+initramfs
2018-08-01 19:57:51 <clandmeter> before i generated the images from boot.a.o system itself.
2018-08-01 19:57:57 <clandmeter> but it has some limitations
2018-08-01 19:58:15 <liwakura> alright
2018-08-01 19:58:25 <clandmeter> the actual ipxe config which is run now is from another branch.
2018-08-01 19:58:39 <clandmeter> i should push it to master.
2018-08-01 19:58:55 <clandmeter> and only supports stable
2018-08-01 19:59:02 <clandmeter> which is fine for most ppl.
2018-08-01 19:59:37 <clandmeter> i tried ipxe for rpi3
2018-08-01 19:59:42 <clandmeter> but it doesnt work
2018-08-01 19:59:52 <clandmeter> you need to use rpi bootloader
2018-08-01 20:00:06 <clandmeter> and it boots ok but its kind of slow.
2018-08-01 20:00:17 <clandmeter> and ipxe has nice features.
2018-08-01 20:00:31 <clandmeter> rpi bootloader has none...
2018-08-01 20:03:38 <liwakura> oh, i intended to refer it to the kernel and initramfs directly, skipping ipxe
2018-08-01 20:04:22 <clandmeter> then you can use netboot images from mirror?
2018-08-01 20:06:46 <liwakura> mh, they were broken in some way, but i dont remember how
2018-08-01 20:07:07 <liwakura> anyways, this is not urgent, either
2018-08-01 20:11:04 <dfayruzov> Guys, sorry, I was distracted by GF
2018-08-01 20:11:29 <dfayruzov> a couple of questions: do you know why https://boot.alpinelinux.org/images/edge/x86_64 returns 404 not found?
2018-08-01 20:12:44 <clandmeter> yes as i mention, we do not support edge from boot.a.o anymore
2018-08-01 20:12:51 <clandmeter> i need to update it.
2018-08-01 20:13:06 <clandmeter> ones ncopa adds edge snapshots i will add support for it.
2018-08-01 20:13:38 <clandmeter> images are fetched from offical mirror
2018-08-01 20:14:14 <clandmeter> http://dl-cdn.alpinelinux.org/alpine/v3.8/releases/x86_64/netboot/
2018-08-01 20:14:24 <liwakura> clandmeter: you mentioned that ip= is broken in mkinitfs, should i go forward and work out a patch?
2018-08-01 20:14:56 <clandmeter> yes please
2018-08-01 20:15:42 <clandmeter> i think if we use network related functions we should always init network.
2018-08-01 20:16:10 <clandmeter> i think i had some patch local, not sure i still have it.
2018-08-01 20:16:53 <clandmeter> if we use alpine_repo or ssh_key it should run configure_ip
2018-08-01 20:16:59 <clandmeter> not sure i missed one.
2018-08-01 20:17:08 <liwakura> thats how it currently works
2018-08-01 20:17:39 <liwakura> i would have changed it so it would be configured if ip= is given
2018-08-01 20:17:46 <liwakura> currently there are some cases where ip= is ignored
2018-08-01 20:18:11 <clandmeter> if you set ssh_key only, i dont think it will setup networking
2018-08-01 20:19:10 <liwakura> the ssh_key mechanism doesn't need it, since the actual key will be fetched from the /etc/init.d script for sshd
2018-08-01 20:19:22 <liwakura> so /etc/init.d/networking will be started then
2018-08-01 20:20:02 <clandmeter> have you tried it?
2018-08-01 20:20:06 <clandmeter> i remember it didnt work
2018-08-01 20:20:12 <dfayruzov> Just to clarify, my bootstrap.ipxe is:
2018-08-01 20:20:14 <dfayruzov> :alpine
2018-08-01 20:20:14 <dfayruzov> set base-url http://dl-cdn.alpinelinux.org/alpine/v3.8/releases/x86_64/netboot
2018-08-01 20:20:14 <dfayruzov> initrd ${base-url}/initramfs-virt
2018-08-01 20:20:14 <dfayruzov> kernel ${base-url}/vmlinuz-virt ${kernel-params}
2018-08-01 20:20:14 <dfayruzov> set kernel-params ip=dhcp
2018-08-01 20:20:15 <dfayruzov> boot || goto failed
2018-08-01 20:20:15 <dfayruzov> goto start
2018-08-01 20:20:28 <clandmeter> pastebin plz
2018-08-01 20:20:45 <liwakura> clandmeter: i've read much of the code, i reverse "engineered" it to write the manpages
2018-08-01 20:20:55 <liwakura> trying to understand how it works
2018-08-01 20:21:21 <clandmeter> yes i think i did it other way around, just add stuff until it breaks :)
2018-08-01 20:22:49 <dfayruzov> and it fails with https://pasteboard.co/HxcIU48.png
2018-08-01 20:25:01 <liwakura> clandmeter: i do have interest into fixing and documenting it
2018-08-01 20:25:35 <vista> loosh: why, thank you.
2018-08-01 20:30:25 <liwakura> dfayruzov: afaik it worked fine if i specified alpine_repo and modloop on the command line
2018-08-01 20:30:27 <Shiz> clandmeter: i have a similar patch too
2018-08-01 20:30:28 <liwakura> using an http url
2018-08-01 20:39:41 <liwakura> dfayruzov: yeah, its alpine_repo that must be set
2018-08-01 20:40:09 <dfayruzov> liwakura: thanks, I will try it
2018-08-01 20:42:16 <dfayruzov> btw is it possible to add NFS module to initramfs-virt initrd?
2018-08-01 20:43:02 <liwakura> yeah, via /etc/mkinitfs/features.d
2018-08-01 20:43:15 <liwakura> but you need to generate the initramfs yourself for that
2018-08-01 20:43:24 <dfayruzov> yes, I know ) but for standard one? )
2018-08-01 20:45:36 <liwakura> ask clandmeter :P
2018-08-01 20:46:52 <liwakura> clandmeter: may you give me access to bugs.a.o so that i can process tickets?
2018-08-01 20:47:13 <liwakura> like, i can comment, but not close them myself
2018-08-01 21:03:36 <dfayruzov> I added modprobe and repo, went one step further: https://pasteboard.co/HxcZrBf.png
2018-08-01 21:04:16 <liwakura> looks like missing network driver
2018-08-01 21:04:33 <jnt> Can anyone take a look at my pull request? It's two months old and I have gotten no feedback except someone else who would like to see it merged: https://github.com/alpinelinux/aports/pull/4302
2018-08-01 21:04:57 <liwakura> the alpine_repo did definitely trigger configure_ip
2018-08-01 21:05:01 <dfayruzov> i think hyper-v default device doesnt have a driver in vanilla distro )
2018-08-01 21:05:15 <liwakura> virtio support for networking is definitely present
2018-08-01 21:05:43 <liwakura> but not sure what hyper-v emulates...
2018-08-01 21:08:32 <PureTryOut[m]> why do all Qt tools have a -qt5 postfix? it's causing problems with a package I'm packaging where it expects the binary without the postfix
2018-08-01 21:10:05 <dfayruzov> alpine:~# lshw -c net
2018-08-01 21:10:05 <dfayruzov> *-network
2018-08-01 21:10:05 <dfayruzov> description: Ethernet interface
2018-08-01 21:10:05 <dfayruzov> physical id: 1
2018-08-01 21:10:05 <dfayruzov> logical name: eth0
2018-08-01 21:10:06 <dfayruzov> serial: 00:15:5d:01:cb:04
2018-08-01 21:10:06 <dfayruzov> size: 1Gbit/s
2018-08-01 21:10:07 <dfayruzov> capabilities: ethernet physical
2018-08-01 21:10:07 <dfayruzov> configuration: autonegotiation=off broadcast=yes driver=hv_netvsc duplex=                                                 full firmware=N/A ip=192.168.1.120 link=yes multicast=yes speed=1Gbit/s
2018-08-01 21:10:18 <dfayruzov> driver=hv_netvsc ?
2018-08-01 21:10:22 <liwakura> dfayruzov: please use a pasting service
2018-08-01 21:10:32 <dfayruzov> ok, sorry  )
2018-08-01 21:10:51 <liwakura> clandmeter told you the same half an hour ago
2018-08-01 21:12:14 <dfayruzov> sorry, I missed it. will not happen again
2018-08-01 21:12:16 <dfayruzov> https://pastebin.com/7yS420Wi
2018-08-01 21:18:09 <dfayruzov> I think I should create pxerd with right network driver, right?
2018-08-01 21:32:40 <liwakura> i dont think so, you could check the contents of the initramfs from the rescue shell
2018-08-01 21:32:53 <clandmeter> liwakura: which issues?
2018-08-01 21:35:12 <liwakura> for example, #6988 was fixed in mkinitfs#3284ace5
2018-08-01 21:41:11 <liwakura> and #8751 should move from Resolved -> Closed
2018-08-01 21:42:14 <liwakura> #7976 was also resolved with mkinitfs/fdc28f07 and can be closed
2018-08-01 21:46:09 <jnt> clandmeter: can you maybe take a look at this? https://github.com/alpinelinux/aports/pull/4302 It seems to have gotten lost under a pile of newer pull requests.
2018-08-01 21:49:54 <clandmeter> jnt: let me take a look
2018-08-01 21:55:04 <jnt> clandmeter: thanks
2018-08-01 21:58:25 <dfayruzov> liwakura:  got it working )
2018-08-01 21:58:38 <liwakura> dfayruzov: what did you do?
2018-08-01 21:59:04 <dfayruzov> switched from ipxe to PXE, took vanilla vmlinuz and generated custom pxerd
2018-08-01 22:00:15 <dfayruzov> PXE menu: https://pastebin.com/CDD9EKCm
2018-08-01 22:00:48 <dfayruzov> basically I followed this script: https://wiki.alpinelinux.org/wiki/Talk:PXE_boot
2018-08-01 22:01:01 <liwakura> you might be able to get rid of the NFS server by using the modloop= parameter
2018-08-01 22:01:35 <dfayruzov> yes, but this means I should host http server somewhere in LAN serving moodloop, right?
2018-08-01 22:01:35 <liwakura> this needs to be better documented...
2018-08-01 22:01:43 <liwakura> ah right
2018-08-01 22:02:00 <liwakura> you generated your own kernel, thats why, mh
2018-08-01 22:02:21 <dfayruzov> not kernel, but init script - I took kernel from distro
2018-08-01 22:02:42 <liwakura> fine
2018-08-01 22:03:05 <clandmeter> jnt: im looking at fedora, but they seem to favor gssproxy?
2018-08-01 22:03:16 <liwakura> i once thought, fetching the modloop via tftp would be fine, but turns out, many tftp things are limited to <32MB
2018-08-01 22:03:18 <dfayruzov> can I serve modloop from tftp?
2018-08-01 22:03:29 <dfayruzov> let me checnk
2018-08-01 22:04:03 <liwakura> dfayruzov: modloop over tftp is not implemented
2018-08-01 22:04:28 <clandmeter> dfayruzov: why are you using regular pxe at all?
2018-08-01 22:05:21 <dfayruzov> clandmeter: because I wasn't able to reach login screen with ipxe
2018-08-01 22:09:03 <jnt> clandmeter: never even heard of gssproxy before. All documentation I found on encrypted NFS so far only mentioned rpc.svcgssd and this is what I used on gentoo before to get nfsv4 with krb5p encryption and authentication working.
2018-08-01 22:11:00 <dfayruzov> ok, I took modloop from online netboot distro and everything works fine now
2018-08-01 22:12:03 <dfayruzov> working config for PXE: https://pastebin.com/Pm4V796S
2018-08-01 22:12:28 <clandmeter> dfayruzov: you dont get the bootloader menu when booting with ipxe?
2018-08-01 22:12:59 <dfayruzov> clandmeter: yes, I do. but how it will help me?
2018-08-01 22:14:32 <clandmeter> im not sure what you are trying to accomplish
2018-08-01 22:14:56 <dfayruzov> currently I'm trying to boot vanilla alpine with ipxe.
2018-08-01 22:15:13 <clandmeter> and it doesnt work?
2018-08-01 22:15:34 <dfayruzov> config is: https://pastebin.com/0c8dUEhm
2018-08-01 22:16:00 <clandmeter> did you try the alpine-ipxe loaders?
2018-08-01 22:16:13 <dfayruzov> and it falls out to recovery with: https://pasteboard.co/HxcZrBf.png
2018-08-01 22:16:26 <clandmeter> it will load the script from boot.a.o and you should be able to boot latest stable.
2018-08-01 22:17:21 <dfayruzov> clandmeter: not yet, but I will try )
2018-08-01 22:17:48 <clandmeter> apk add alpine-ipxe and use of of the loaders.
2018-08-01 22:24:26 <jnt> clandmeter: thanks for merging. I just noticed nfs-utils is outdated, I'll make another pull request to upgrade it to 2.3.2 soon, which includes a new utility to check the config files, would be really useful to have.
2018-08-01 22:24:47 <clandmeter> ok please do :)
2018-08-01 22:24:50 <clandmeter> sorry for the delay
2018-08-01 22:25:07 <clandmeter> we really need to step up and get the queue down.
2018-08-01 22:27:21 <dfayruzov> clandmeter: I messed a bit with how to use loaders. Usually I use undionly.kxpe and bootstart script, such as: https://pastebin.com/edpuppsH
2018-08-01 22:29:23 <dfayruzov> I tried to pass ipxe.pxe to dhcp-boot=ipxe.pxe, but it hangs: https://pasteboard.co/Hxdyx0z.png
2018-08-01 22:32:32 <Foucault_> I'm trying to make a custom ISO with some preinstalled packages; I managed to include them as apks in the iso but I still need to install them manually
2018-08-01 22:32:52 <clandmeter> dfayruzov: did you try the iso with hyperv?
2018-08-01 22:33:04 <clandmeter> or can you specificy the krnl image directly?
2018-08-01 22:33:25 <Foucault_> I just copied over the standard profile from git
2018-08-01 22:33:36 <Foucault_> added some kernel modules and some extra apks
2018-08-01 22:33:41 <Foucault_> as in https://wiki.alpinelinux.org/wiki/How_to_make_a_custom_ISO_image_with_mkimage
2018-08-01 22:33:49 <Foucault_> but I can't figure out how to have them preinstalled
2018-08-01 22:33:50 <clandmeter> pkgs will never auto install
2018-08-01 22:33:55 <dfayruzov> clandmeter: yes, iso with hyper-v working perfectly
2018-08-01 22:34:03 <Foucault_> ok fair enough, is there a way to actually do that?
2018-08-01 22:34:18 <clandmeter> dfayruzov: i mean ipxe iso?
2018-08-01 22:34:23 <liwakura> Foucault_: with an apkovl or pkgs="..."
2018-08-01 22:34:56 <Foucault_> is this a variable in the profile script liwakura ?
2018-08-01 22:35:08 <liwakura> pkgs= is an boot option
2018-08-01 22:35:23 <Foucault_> ah I haven't thought about that
2018-08-01 22:35:27 <dfayruzov> clandmeter: no, I don't realize how to do it :(
2018-08-01 22:35:39 <Foucault_> I'll try it right away
2018-08-01 22:35:45 <clandmeter> dfayruzov: alpine-ipxe-ipxe_iso
2018-08-01 22:36:01 <clandmeter> it has an iso image which is just the ipxe loader
2018-08-01 22:36:18 <dfayruzov> ok, got it )
2018-08-01 22:36:32 <clandmeter> or use alpine-ipxe-ipxe_lkrn which is a ipxe kernel.
2018-08-01 22:36:52 <dfayruzov> let me start with the goal of these exercises
2018-08-01 22:38:23 <dfayruzov> I have a home microserver that I want to ipxe boot from router based/online hosted images with some customizations which I want to achieve using apkovl
2018-08-01 22:39:18 <dfayruzov> customizations are several docker containers that I want to run on this microserver
2018-08-01 22:39:22 <dfayruzov> that's all
2018-08-01 22:45:13 <Foucault_> thanks liwakura it worked
2018-08-01 22:45:30 <Foucault_> are these boot options documented somewhere?
2018-08-01 22:46:23 <clandmeter> heh :)
2018-08-01 22:46:34 <clandmeter> check for recent pr in initramfs repo
2018-08-01 22:48:43 <dfayruzov> clandmeter: ipxe.iso from alpine-ipxe just hangs on devices initialization: https://pasteboard.co/HxdG5Uf.png
2018-08-01 22:49:26 <clandmeter> thats hyperv?
2018-08-01 22:49:31 <dfayruzov> yeo
2018-08-01 22:49:33 <dfayruzov> yep
2018-08-01 22:49:40 <clandmeter> can you try qemu?
2018-08-01 22:49:46 <clandmeter> or something else?
2018-08-01 22:50:00 <dfayruzov> yep )
2018-08-01 22:50:04 <dfayruzov> brb
2018-08-01 22:50:07 <clandmeter> im going to bed.
2018-08-01 22:50:08 <clandmeter> gnite
2018-08-01 22:50:31 <Foucault_> found them clandmeter, thanks
2018-08-01 22:52:07 <dfayruzov> clandmeter: good night ) thanks for trying to help
2018-08-01 22:56:25 <danieli> night
2018-08-02 03:36:06 <jlyo> b33rj3553
2018-08-02 04:00:38 <deedubs> I guessed wrong `[NickServ] Invalid password for jlyo.` ;)
2018-08-02 04:02:08 <_ikke_> heh
2018-08-02 04:02:16 <_ikke_> or they already changed it
2018-08-02 04:19:42 <deedubs> grr I can't get my XPS 13 to boot the Alpine usb :(
2018-08-02 04:19:49 <deedubs> just drops me into a grub menu
2018-08-02 04:26:04 <deedubs> ahh legacy boot
2018-08-02 10:19:21 <mpmc> clandmeter: mind if I pm?
2018-08-02 10:19:29 <clandmeter> np
2018-08-02 10:19:38 <clandmeter> but im about to leave so could be im slow.
2018-08-02 10:37:27 <PureTryOut[m]> how do I generate and set locales in Alpine? there is no /etc/locale.gen or /usr/bin/locale
2018-08-02 14:01:57 <PureTryOut[m]> does nobody know?
2018-08-02 14:04:52 <_ikke_> I don't, at least
2018-08-02 14:07:31 <Shiz> just set LANG and LC_ALL
2018-08-02 14:09:38 <PureTryOut[m]> To what though? I have no locales to set it too
2018-08-02 14:10:32 <_ikke_> does musl even support it?
2018-08-02 14:11:14 <PureTryOut[m]> it seems like it doesn't, or at least the Alpine one doesn't. that's the problem here ;)
2018-08-02 14:11:57 <Shiz> the locale you want it to
2018-08-02 14:11:59 <Shiz> :P
2018-08-02 14:12:39 <Shiz> I don't think locale-gen is needed
2018-08-02 14:12:58 <Shiz> because musl itself has no localizations
2018-08-02 14:13:58 <TBB> wonder if I get booted for pasting a link now that Sigyn's on
2018-08-02 14:14:59 <PureTryOut[m]> Musl doesn't, but the application I'm packaging does require a locale
2018-08-02 14:15:10 <TBB> in any case, this is explained in-depth on the musl project page called Functional Differences From GLibc
2018-08-02 14:15:36 <_ikke_> Many people are posting links without issue
2018-08-02 14:15:57 <_ikke_> 1https://wiki.musl-libc.org/functional-differences-from-glibc.html
2018-08-02 14:16:59 <TBB> I'm not a registered user so I might be in a bit different situation than them, if I understand at all how all this works
2018-08-02 14:17:15 <Shiz> no, sigyn won't boot you for posting a link
2018-08-02 14:17:18 <Shiz> only if it's a spam link
2018-08-02 14:17:42 <Shiz> PureTryOut[m]: locale-gen is not for application locales, though
2018-08-02 14:17:46 <Shiz> as far as i understand it
2018-08-02 14:18:35 <Shiz> you don't need locale-gen for locales, only on systems which have the necessity for it -- afaics, alpine is not one of them
2018-08-02 14:20:34 <PureTryOut[m]> hmm
2018-08-02 14:20:47 <PureTryOut[m]> I guess I'm misunderstanding this then
2018-08-02 18:52:57 <GlemSom> I'm scratching my head trying to figure out what I am missing here.... I need to change the real-time scheduling to SCHED_FIFO for a process... But, chrt from util-linux keeps saying: "policy: Function not implemented"...  The command I am using is "chrt -fp 2 <my pid>"
2018-08-02 20:13:54 <g1i7ch> hello. Any reason to keep getting 'failed to load linux.c32' when booting from a USB drive?
2018-08-02 20:14:14 <_ikke_> is linux.c32 present on the usb drive?
2018-08-02 20:14:55 <g1i7ch> yes
2018-08-02 20:18:07 <liwakura> g1i7ch: as part of an normal alpine install?
2018-08-02 20:18:33 <liwakura> i guess you meant ldlinux.c32
2018-08-02 20:20:53 <g1i7ch> ^ yes that
2018-08-02 20:20:57 <g1i7ch> sorry
2018-08-02 20:21:29 <g1i7ch> liwakura: i used setup-bootable , i checked the file hashes, idk what i did wrong :?
2018-08-02 20:21:50 <liwakura> that the error comes with ldlinux.c32 means that ldlinux.sys can be properly loaded
2018-08-02 20:23:45 <g1i7ch> file says it's an Intel executable but its an amd host... but that shouldnt matter since they are hybrid isos right?
2018-08-02 20:24:13 <liwakura> Intel and AMD are the same architecture (x86)
2018-08-02 20:24:55 <g1i7ch> i used the x86_64 iso if that matters any
2018-08-02 20:25:02 <g1i7ch> oh ok
2018-08-02 20:25:21 <liwakura> x86_64 ist x86 plus the 64-bit extensions AMD invented
2018-08-02 20:25:47 <liwakura> it sounds like extlinux -i failed somehow
2018-08-02 20:26:01 <liwakura> is ldlinux.c32 in the same directory as ldlinux.sys ?
2018-08-02 20:26:31 <g1i7ch> yes
2018-08-02 20:28:27 <g1i7ch> liwakura: extlinux? with fat32?
2018-08-02 20:28:54 <liwakura> oh, right
2018-08-02 20:29:02 <liwakura> then its syslinux
2018-08-02 20:31:20 <g1i7ch> liwakura: would installing it fix it?  via  syslinux -i /dev/sda1
2018-08-02 20:33:36 <liwakura> you could try that
2018-08-02 20:41:02 <g1i7ch> liwakura: same thing.  everything looks good in fdisk (partition is there, its bootable) but same error, failed to load ldlinux.c32
2018-08-02 20:51:46 <g1i7ch> setup-bootable -cf fails too. it says failed to find syslinux.cfg ... even when passing it the entire path and with ./syslinux.cfg
2018-08-02 20:53:47 <g1i7ch> i thought i read that syslinux wont work on 64bit, that i would need to use grub but i cant find the website
2018-08-02 20:55:20 <liwakura> hm...
2018-08-02 20:55:25 <liwakura> i dont have the setup to reproduce it here
2018-08-02 20:57:30 <g1i7ch> well that doesnt make sense either; i know i used the x86_64 iso. just thinking outloud trying to spark an idea :/
2018-08-02 20:59:33 <aeyxa> where do packages go when you download them with apk add?
2018-08-02 21:02:36 <g1i7ch> ill try booting another machine. thanks.
2018-08-03 06:20:28 <tya99> 
ACTION is using alpine to use windows

2018-08-03 06:20:52 <tya99> want to install windows 10 on 6TB hard disk, on a really old computer that can't boot from anything over 3TB
2018-08-03 06:21:04 <tya99> so ill install alpine sys install and then chainload windows
2018-08-03 06:21:31 <tya99> that way i boot from usb stick with alpine and then pick windows should work
2018-08-03 06:21:57 <tya99> we have grub
2018-08-03 06:23:01 <tya99> should make an APKBUILD at some point for https://www.archlinux.org/packages/community/x86_64/os-prober/
2018-08-03 07:11:40 <ServiceRobot> hello
2018-08-03 07:12:41 <liwakura> ServiceRobot: hello, save the meta, just go ahead with your question(s)
2018-08-03 07:13:49 <ServiceRobot> heh. ya sorry. I like to make sure people are here so I'm not using up space. I read the about page of alpine, and have heard good things about it on reddit over the past few months
2018-08-03 07:14:07 <ServiceRobot> I've been trying to find a decent server distro that isn't stricken with systemd
2018-08-03 07:14:26 <ServiceRobot> from what I've read alpine is good for switches and routers, but also server management?
2018-08-03 07:14:36 <liwakura> uhm
2018-08-03 07:14:44 <liwakura> my irc client runs on an alpine linux server
2018-08-03 07:15:14 <ServiceRobot> huh. well that about says it all doesn't it?
2018-08-03 07:15:57 <ServiceRobot> well, my point is that the requirements I need can be a bit all over the place. I like to experiment, you see
2018-08-03 07:17:22 <ServiceRobot> first of all, I wanted to know if alpine has 32-bit libraries?
2018-08-03 07:17:34 <liwakura> you should research first if the packages you need are in the repositories https://pkgs.alpinelinux.org/packages
2018-08-03 07:17:38 <ServiceRobot> the package search function on the website is a bit hard to figure out
2018-08-03 07:18:04 <ServiceRobot> it seems to need exact matches and not partial searches
2018-08-03 07:18:04 <liwakura> set branch to v3.8, thats an sane stable release
2018-08-03 07:18:14 <liwakura> uhm, you can use '*'
2018-08-03 07:18:21 <ServiceRobot> oh, it supports regex?
2018-08-03 07:18:27 <liwakura> to some extent
2018-08-03 07:18:37 <liwakura> i would have called it »globbing«
2018-08-03 07:18:46 <ServiceRobot> how would I search for 32-bit packages?
2018-08-03 07:19:03 <liwakura> Setting arch to x86
2018-08-03 07:19:08 <ServiceRobot> oh, I see now. silly me
2018-08-03 07:19:09 <liwakura> x86 is 32-bit Intel/AMD
2018-08-03 07:19:30 <ServiceRobot> seems once I set a repo I can't set it to blank again
2018-08-03 07:20:45 <ServiceRobot> thing is I come previously from Arch and before that Linux Mint. been using arch for a year but obviously not a good choice for servers
2018-08-03 07:21:04 <ServiceRobot> so not sure how I'd be able to find equivalent libraries
2018-08-03 07:21:06 <liwakura> yeah, thats an bug, but you can strip the parameter from the url
2018-08-03 07:21:17 <ServiceRobot> heh, good to know
2018-08-03 07:23:02 <ServiceRobot> ah, so packages in a different arch have the same name then. is it possible to install x86 libraries in a x86_64 environment?
2018-08-03 07:23:53 <liwakura> afaik there is no multilib support
2018-08-03 07:24:00 <liwakura> uhm
2018-08-03 07:24:28 <liwakura> do you have an propietary application that you cannot recompile yourself?
2018-08-03 07:25:32 <liwakura> because alpine does use the musl libc, so binaries from glibc distros are not guaranteered to run, and in practice, most of them fail
2018-08-03 07:26:11 <ServiceRobot> well I wanted to run certain game servers on it as well as have a LEMP setup
2018-08-03 07:29:15 <liwakura> LEMP no issue, but i hope you have the source of those game servers, otherwise it might get rather painful
2018-08-03 07:29:42 <liwakura> or you are going to need an i686-linux-gnu chroot for them
2018-08-03 07:30:12 <ServiceRobot> ya, with any distro I've used it can be a pain. Minecraft and source servers (tf2 and gmod) are servers I have in mind setting up
2018-08-03 07:30:34 <ServiceRobot> so the "source" (heh) isn't available
2018-08-03 07:40:20 <ServiceRobot> would the chroot need an entire alpine environment as well?
2018-08-03 07:40:35 <ServiceRobot> that sounds like it could get messy. this probably won't work for me then
2018-08-03 07:40:48 <liwakura> i wouldn't put an alpine enviroment there
2018-08-03 07:40:59 <liwakura> but instead exactly the things the game server needs
2018-08-03 07:41:30 <ServiceRobot> I'd have to symlink the libraries most likely though
2018-08-03 07:42:17 <liwakura> you could try making docker containers für the game servers
2018-08-03 07:42:43 <ServiceRobot> aren't docker images read-only though?
2018-08-03 07:43:20 <liwakura> they are always some sort of overlayfs
2018-08-03 07:43:53 <ServiceRobot> ya, that's not good since I plan to modify the game servers with mods and other such do-dads
2018-08-03 07:44:34 <ServiceRobot> I probably need to find another distro with multilib support without systemd that's non-rolling. not a lot of options out there unfortunately
2018-08-03 07:45:31 <liwakura> devuan maybe
2018-08-03 07:46:16 <ServiceRobot> I was considering devuan, but they only really support sysvinit last time I checked. also their recent update includes libsystemd, so what's the real difference between debian at that point?
2018-08-03 07:46:52 <ServiceRobot> systemd is a plague I tell ya
2018-08-03 09:00:52 <clemens3_> I guess libsystemd is just an empty shell in last devuan version?
2018-08-03 09:36:10 <thsobercoder> I tried running Kubernetes on Alpine 3.8.0 with the kubeadm command, turned off swap, but for some reason it fails saying - "WARNING: no supported init system detected, skipping checking for services"
2018-08-03 09:36:56 <thsobercoder> I know Alpine uses the OpenRC init system, is that something that is not compatible with Kubernetes?
2018-08-03 09:50:08 <Shiz> that's probably a better question for the k8s developers, I think
2018-08-03 09:50:55 <Shiz> https://github.com/kubernetes/kubernetes/blob/7a6320ef29da4a19f9aa0ae10a4814e9d4fc97e7/pkg/util/initsystem/initsystem.go#L165
2018-08-03 09:51:04 <Shiz> looks like they only support systemd and windows, sigh
2018-08-03 09:51:40 <Shiz> however, seems openrc support would not be too hard to add
2018-08-03 09:52:02 <Shiz> however, it is just a warning, so  Iwouldn't fret it too much
2018-08-03 10:14:58 <thsobercoder> @Shiz: Thanks for the info. But the problem is that kubeadm command fails miserably to create the services, which is why I'm guessing it is not able to run health checks
2018-08-03 10:17:04 <thsobercoder> @Shiz: If you run this command - "kubeadm init --apiserver-advertise-address=[host ip] --token-ttl=0" on a freshly installed Alpine 3.8.0 box you would be able to see the errors where its not able to reach to the APIs because the services never got created
2018-08-03 10:17:56 <thsobercoder> @Shiz: This is a prerequisite before you run the above command - "apk add ebtables ethtool socat iproute2 iptables && swapoff -a"
2018-08-03 10:37:29 <danieli> Shiz: that's terrible.. aaaargh
2018-08-03 11:05:11 <Shiz> thsobercoder: ah, gotcha
2018-08-03 11:05:30 <Shiz> I don't think adding openrc support is hard if upstream welcomes it
2018-08-03 11:47:38 <thsobercoder> @Shiz: Are there any workarounds, or do I have to start all kubernetes services manually by writing all the init.d scripts?
2018-08-03 14:31:43 <silverwillow> hey all :) just rebuilding my home server from debian wheezy to alpine 3.8.0. Having trouble mounting by btrfs volume. 'mount -t btrfs /dev/sda /mnt/store' isn't doing the trick. what have i overlooked?
2018-08-03 14:34:11 <danieli> probably a dumb question, but did you install btrfs-tools and all?
2018-08-03 14:34:57 <silverwillow> i installed btrfs-progs, i guess there's more... like I said, it's my fault for overlooking things :)
2018-08-03 14:35:10 <silverwillow> will add the btrfs-tools
2018-08-03 14:35:55 <danieli> wait wait
2018-08-03 14:36:08 <danieli> i meant btrfs-progs
2018-08-03 14:36:12 <danieli> i was mistaken for a weak second
2018-08-03 14:36:43 <silverwillow> yes, i installed those.
2018-08-03 14:36:46 <danieli> what error message does mounting it spit out?
2018-08-03 14:37:45 <silverwillow> mount: mounting /dev/sda on /mnt/store failed: Invalid argument
2018-08-03 14:38:02 <danieli> anything more interesting in dmesg?
2018-08-03 14:38:07 <silverwillow> nope
2018-08-03 14:38:12 <silverwillow> oh - one sec...
2018-08-03 14:38:36 <silverwillow> ah. i might be in for some headache
2018-08-03 14:38:45 <danieli> what's up?
2018-08-03 14:39:01 <silverwillow> it's saying it's missing UUID's
2018-08-03 14:39:35 <silverwillow> do i have to do so initialisation of the btrfs volume?
2018-08-03 14:39:38 <silverwillow> *some
2018-08-03 14:39:53 <danieli> tried `btrfs filesystem show` and the usual round of troubleshooting?
2018-08-03 14:40:22 <silverwillow> nope - i was hoping i could just change distro and remount the btrfs volume.... i know, pretty naive...
2018-08-03 14:41:45 <silverwillow> 'btrfs filesystem show' seems to give me sane output. nice list of the drives in the volume
2018-08-03 14:42:34 <silverwillow> okay - i'll move to reading the btrfs troubleshooting on the web etc. thanks for your time :)
2018-08-03 14:52:17 <danieli> :) I'm no expert with btrfs but I've played with it quite a bit
2018-08-03 14:52:27 <danieli> don't think I ever used it much in anything production
2018-08-03 14:53:12 <silverwillow> well it's all home use data. ie. cat pictures and the hentai collection, so no harm done. but good moment to learn some new things :)
2018-08-03 14:55:11 <danieli> hahahah
2018-08-03 14:55:34 <jn__> silverwillow: does btrfs show up in /proc/filesystems? if not, my guess it that you might have to modprobe btrfs manually
2018-08-03 14:55:44 <jn__> s/guess it/guess is/
2018-08-03 14:58:45 <silverwillow> jn__: it does show up, at the very bottom, together with ext3 and ext4
2018-08-03 15:00:14 <silverwillow> running btrfschk which is aking its time.
2018-08-03 15:49:42 <silverwillow> well, the trick seems to be that one has to run 'btrfs device scan' before one can mount  btrfs volume. I guess Debian Wheezy did this automagically for you.
2018-08-03 15:53:32 <blueyed> Anyone here in charge of dl-cdn.alpinelinux.org?
2018-08-03 16:01:27 <clandmeter> shoot
2018-08-03 16:21:29 <blueyed> clandmeter: "curl -I http://dl-cdn.alpinelinux.org/alpine/v3.8/main/x86_64/APKINDEX.tar.gz" gives me a 301 through Squid proxy, but 200 otherwise.  The 301 redirects to https://dl-cdn.alpinelinux.org/alpine/v3.8/main/x86_64/APKINDEX.tar.gz, which is a 404 then.
2018-08-03 16:22:08 <blueyed> Tried it with https://github.com/yinqiwen/gsnova in the middle to inspect the traffic, but then it is also a 200.
2018-08-03 16:24:30 <clandmeter> blueyed, can you add a ticket on bugs.
2018-08-03 16:24:41 <clandmeter> if bugs is down please do it later.
2018-08-03 16:24:53 <clandmeter> im in the middle of a transition of bugs
2018-08-03 16:25:41 <blueyed> clandmeter: where is "bugs"?  Might be better if you could quickly check it yourself and then add it eventually.  I've only just noticed this when using Squid for speeding up Docker builds.
2018-08-03 16:25:56 <clandmeter> no time sorry
2018-08-03 16:26:23 <blueyed> me neither.. :/  I will come back to it eventually the other day then.
2018-08-03 16:26:39 <clandmeter> to everyone: we are going to take offline patchwork and bugs to do maintenance. hope to get it back asap.
2018-08-04 01:10:13 <rmbeer> hello...
2018-08-04 01:10:39 <rmbeer> why the phpmyadmin give "Forbidden" error?... i see all permission is correct...
2018-08-04 01:12:00 <rmbeer> Where should I look to correct this error?...
2018-08-04 01:12:41 <koollman> rmbeer: webserver logs
2018-08-04 01:12:51 <koollman> (error.log, most likely)
2018-08-04 01:14:04 <rmbeer> "client denied by server configuration"...
2018-08-04 01:15:24 <rmbeer> i see in the /etc/apache2/conf.d/phpmyadmin.conf that have correct permission, is by default...
2018-08-04 01:16:12 <koollman> is there something like 'allow from 127.0.0.1' or 'allow from localhost' (which would implicitely forbid everyone else)
2018-08-04 01:16:43 <rmbeer> Allow from all
2018-08-04 01:18:00 <rmbeer> https://ptpb.pw/EMqR.conf
2018-08-04 01:20:15 <koollman> rmbeer: which apache version ?
2018-08-04 01:20:25 <koollman> httpd -V
2018-08-04 01:21:06 <rmbeer> Apache/2.4.33
2018-08-04 01:21:31 <rmbeer> paste all the output?...
2018-08-04 01:21:38 <koollman> nah it is fine
2018-08-04 01:21:48 <koollman> I think that form of allow is deprecated now. http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.4/upgrading.html (although it should not make that error, iirc)
2018-08-04 01:24:47 <rmbeer> I allow all access, I still can not find the problem....
2018-08-04 01:26:18 <rmbeer> ah, now understand...
2018-08-04 01:26:45 <rmbeer> i must replace Order+Allow by Require
2018-08-04 01:27:52 <rmbeer> yes, now work...
2018-08-04 02:09:03 <rmbeer> where is saved the log of mariadb?...
2018-08-04 02:15:22 <rmbeer> is in /usr/lib/mysql/? why can't found the logs here?....
2018-08-04 02:15:34 <rmbeer> or in /var/lib/mysql...
2018-08-04 03:10:25 <danieli> check the config file, it should say htere
2018-08-04 03:10:27 <danieli> there*
2018-08-04 03:11:38 <rmbeer> danieli, i already check the config file, and not have nothing about of log....
2018-08-04 03:11:58 <rmbeer> i thinking that mariadb have the log off by default...
2018-08-04 03:20:39 <danieli> rmbeer: just enable it then?
2018-08-04 14:35:03 <rmbeer> danieli, True, thank you, I had not thought about it... :(
2018-08-04 14:35:23 <danieli> :)
2018-08-04 16:58:31 <rmbeer> anyone here can helpme set up the logs in mariadb?? have a serious error and i unknown what happened....
2018-08-04 16:58:43 <rmbeer> https://ptpb.pw/LTyN.txt
2018-08-04 16:58:49 <rmbeer> "Ver 15.1 Distrib 10.1.32-MariaDB"
2018-08-04 21:40:55 <trn> https://www.apnews.com/72be678fb5a748c388128269a10f24f4/Heavy-police-presence-as-right-wing-rally-begins-in-Portland?utm_source=fark&utm_medium=website&utm_content=link&ICID=ref_fark
2018-08-04 21:40:59 <trn> wewps :b
2018-08-05 07:41:43 <silverwillow> good morning all. I'm having trouble mounting my btrfs volume as part of booting my home server. When I log in as root and do 'btrfs device scan' and then the mount it works fine. If I try and do the same from local.d or from /etc/fstab, it does not work. What am I missing?
2018-08-05 07:57:47 <danieli> "it does not work" - care to elaborate?
2018-08-05 07:57:50 <danieli> @ silverwillow
2018-08-05 07:59:45 <silverwillow>  hey danieli, nice to chat again :) the btrfs scan returns 4x /dev/btrfs-control not found or some such, an then the mount tells me that there's a parameter missing.
2018-08-05 08:00:48 <danieli> when /dev/btrfs-control is missing, you usually have to `modprobe btrfs`
2018-08-05 08:00:55 <silverwillow> btw. yesterday's issues were fixed by adding btrfs to mkinitfs.conf and running mkinitfs. now the btrfs module is loaded at boot.
2018-08-05 08:01:06 <danieli> aha
2018-08-05 08:01:45 <danieli> do you have the exact error regarding /dev/btrfs-control?
2018-08-05 08:01:49 <silverwillow> that's odd then, because if i boot and then do a cat /proc/filesystems _before_ i do the btrfs device scan... btrfs is there together with ext3 and ext 4.
2018-08-05 08:02:18 <silverwillow> one minute - will reboot the box. :)
2018-08-05 08:02:34 <silverwillow> reboot
2018-08-05 08:02:58 <silverwillow> lol - too many keyboards on one desk :)
2018-08-05 08:05:01 <silverwillow> the error is: WARNING: Failed to open /dev/btrfs-control skipping device registration: no such file or directory
2018-08-05 08:05:16 <silverwillow> it does this for each of the 4 drives in the volume
2018-08-05 08:05:44 <danieli> this jumps at me: https://btrfs.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/Problem_FAQ#I_get_the_message_.22failed_to_open_.2Fdev.2Fbtrfs-control_skipping_device_registration.22_from_.22btrfs_dev_scan.22
2018-08-05 08:05:57 <danieli> "You might also want to report to your distribution that their configuration without udev is missing this device."
2018-08-05 08:06:13 <danieli> ncopa: wonder if this is something we need to do something about?
2018-08-05 08:06:26 <silverwillow> off to read that FAQ, brb.
2018-08-05 08:06:44 <danieli> do you use mdev, eudev, or something else?
2018-08-05 08:07:16 <silverwillow> i'm using vanilla 3.8.0. Whatever that installed is what I'm using. Where do I 2x check?
2018-08-05 08:07:37 <danieli> mdev by default
2018-08-05 08:07:45 <silverwillow> then that's what is being used.
2018-08-05 08:07:45 <danieli> at least it was last i knew
2018-08-05 08:08:30 <silverwillow> it's totally stock 3.8.0. Only added nano and btrfs-progs. Then rerolled the initfs to have btrfs and that's all.
2018-08-05 08:14:50 <silverwillow> Interestingly though, once the boot process completes and i login as root, I can do the scan and the mount without any issues. Does mdev create the btrfs device node that late in the boot process?
2018-08-05 08:19:20 <danieli> I personally have no clue about that, I don't use btrfs much
2018-08-05 08:21:56 <silverwillow> :)
2018-08-05 09:29:22 <Latrina> Good morning folks
2018-08-05 09:29:41 <liwakura> whats your question
2018-08-05 09:29:48 <Latrina> has anyone managed to successfully install alpine on a rockpro64 ?
2018-08-05 09:29:51 <liwakura> good morning, anyways
2018-08-05 09:33:55 <Latrina> if so, can I have the image/ rootfs
2018-08-05 09:34:03 <Latrina> if not, I can try and port it
2018-08-05 09:34:12 <liwakura> try to port it, i haven't found prior work
2018-08-05 09:34:16 <Latrina> since I am about to get one
2018-08-05 09:34:25 <liwakura> and i suspect they use an whacky bootloader like odroid..
2018-08-05 09:34:40 <Latrina> I made a port for the odroid c1+
2018-08-05 09:35:02 <Latrina> I got the rootfs ready and to my knownledge it should be able to boot
2018-08-05 09:35:13 <Latrina> however my odroid died before being able to test it
2018-08-05 09:35:28 <Latrina> if anyone wants it I can share it
2018-08-05 09:35:48 <Latrina> liwakura: dont know, but it is possible
2018-08-05 09:36:46 <Latrina> I also made a port for the rpi3 with aarch64 kernel
2018-08-05 09:36:56 <Latrina> that was awhile back though
2018-08-05 09:37:36 <Latrina> https://sourceforge.net/projects/alpinelinux-3-7-aarch64-rpi3/
2018-08-05 09:57:38 <Latrina> here is some sort of official documentation on how to build the kernel http://rockchip.wikidot.com/linux-user-guide
2018-08-05 09:57:48 <Latrina> I guess I will use their kernel at first
2018-08-05 10:01:03 <Latrina> and yes putting the rootfs together should pretty much be the same as with the odroid
2018-08-05 12:02:30 <GlemSom> I'm scratching my head trying to figure out what I am missing here. I am trying to use "chrt" to set a realtime policy for a pid, using for example SCHED_FIFO. (cmd: chrt -f -p 50 4173) - but, chrt just spits out: "chrt: failed to set pid 4173's policy: Function not implemented".... clearly I am missing something here.. But, I can't figure out what ?
2018-08-05 12:06:34 <liwakura> could you strace that? i'd look what syscall fails, and then look into the manpage of that syscall
2018-08-05 12:13:32 <GlemSom> liwakura: https://pastebin.com/DJf2MamZ     Hmm, seems sched_get_priority_min/max is working - but, after that - I don't really see any clues to why it is failing :/
2018-08-05 12:15:13 <liwakura> try in #musl, this seems to be coming from the libc
2018-08-05 12:20:03 <liwakura> GlemSom: do you know what package the chrt binary comes from?
2018-08-05 12:45:42 <GlemSom> liwakura: it's from util-linux
2018-08-05 13:16:45 <GlemSom> liwakura: A guy from musl had a look at this, and it seems schedutil from util-linux is relying on a glibc implementation that is ignoring the sched_ call is for threads, not processes... So, util-linux in a POSIX environment (like musl) actually isn't working as expected
2018-08-05 13:18:13 <liwakura> nsz, i know, because im also in #musl
2018-08-05 13:18:33 <GlemSom> Ahh didn't spot that
2018-08-05 13:18:35 <liwakura> and he is also here
2018-08-05 13:18:47 <liwakura> alpine and musl seem to have an rather large intersection of users
2018-08-05 13:19:05 <liwakura> because like, alpine is like the most popular usecase for musl, i guess
2018-08-05 16:05:06 <fiftysix> hi
2018-08-05 16:05:44 <fiftysix> i just upgraded from 3.7.0 to 3.8.0, at the end of which i saw "initramfs: creating /boot/initramfs-hardened" despite the release notes saying that support for the hardened kernel was removed.
2018-08-05 16:05:58 <fiftysix> can i keep using it nonetheless or is this cause for concern?
2018-08-05 16:15:01 <Shiz> fiftysix: it'd be wise to move to -vanilla
2018-08-05 16:15:35 <Shiz> I'm not sure why provides=linux-hardened wasn't set on linux-vanilla for 3.8...
2018-08-05 16:15:46 <veloist> Shiz, thanks! (I'm fiftysix; I timed out when I rebooted the router into 3.8.0)
2018-08-05 16:20:10 <fiftysix> Shiz, after apk add linux-vanilla; apk del linux-hardened, /boot/extlinux.conf looks good. That should have been all, correct?
2018-08-05 16:20:19 <Shiz> yup :)
2018-08-05 16:22:26 <fiftysix> cool :) this time i'll /quit tho
2018-08-05 16:24:12 <fiftysix> I love how everything "just works" :)
2018-08-05 16:25:37 <fiftysix> Shiz, btw is there a simple way to monitor what the network throughput on the WAN interface is? We're 16 people in the house and usually when someone complains about slow speed, it tends to be the server that's slow, not our pipe, but I'd like to have some sort of metric.
2018-08-05 16:26:32 <_ikke_> There are standard tools to do that
2018-08-05 16:26:39 <Shiz> vnstat may help you fiftysix
2018-08-05 16:26:49 <Shiz> it's packaged in community/
2018-08-05 16:27:19 <_ikke_> iftop, ntop
2018-08-05 16:27:47 <fiftysix> hmm
2018-08-05 16:27:56 <fiftysix> "vnstat -h" seems nice
2018-08-05 16:28:17 <Shiz> or vnstat -l
2018-08-05 16:28:19 <Shiz> :p
2018-08-05 16:28:24 <Shiz> along with -tr
2018-08-05 16:28:53 <fiftysix> oh! -l is awesome!
2018-08-05 16:30:02 <fiftysix> ntop doesn't work out of the box, but iftop is also quite nice
2018-08-05 16:31:49 <fiftysix> i guess i'll stick with "vnstat -l" for now ... that's light enough to just let it keep running in a tmux window
2018-08-05 16:38:42 <_ikke_> apparently it's also a daemon
2018-08-05 16:40:33 <fiftysix> hmm ... it might be nice i guess to see what the last couple of hours looked like
2018-08-05 16:55:25 <PureTryOut[m]> Is anyone actually able to install `gnome-session`? I just get a unsatisfiable constraints error https://bpaste.net/show/4defe7358935
2018-08-05 16:56:31 <_ikke_> Did you combine different branches?\
2018-08-05 16:56:34 <_ikke_> edge + stable?
2018-08-05 16:56:49 <PureTryOut[m]> nope just edge
2018-08-05 16:58:25 <_ikke_> looks like the package is out-of-date
2018-08-05 16:58:36 <_ikke_> https://pkgs.alpinelinux.org/contents?file=libgnome-desktop-3.so.*&path=&name=&branch=edge
2018-08-05 16:58:45 <_ikke_> It looks for .12, but .17 is available
2018-08-05 16:59:46 <PureTryOut[m]> ah, yeah. so how would I resolve that (I don't mind self-building the package)
2018-08-05 16:59:49 <PureTryOut[m]> ?
2018-08-05 17:00:20 <_ikke_> just build the package again
2018-08-05 17:00:27 <PureTryOut[m]> just rebuild gnome-shell?
2018-08-05 17:01:09 <PureTryOut[m]> yeah ok. I'll PR a `$pkgrel` bump  then
2018-08-05 17:01:25 <_ikke_> gnome-session as well
2018-08-05 17:02:04 <PureTryOut[m]> ok
2018-08-05 17:07:36 <fiftysix> _ikke_, the vnstati produced images are really nice!
2018-08-05 17:08:51 <_ikke_> ah cool
2018-08-05 17:09:07 <_ikke_> how do you generate them?
2018-08-05 17:09:50 <_ikke_> Nice that it keeps a log of used thata
2018-08-05 17:09:52 <_ikke_> data*
2018-08-05 17:11:49 <fiftysix> _ikke_, there's an initscript for vnstatd and while it's running it's updating a database in /var/lib/vnstat. and then you just need a cronjob that runs vnstati and puts the pngs somewhere into /var/www along with an html file. at least that's how the example does it.
2018-08-05 17:12:13 <danieli> we have vnstat on several of our alpine mirrors
2018-08-05 17:12:22 <danieli> http://uk.alpinelinux.org/.stats/ for instance
2018-08-05 17:12:32 <_ikke_> cool
2018-08-05 17:12:42 <fiftysix> http://tpaste.us/RrMv <-- example cron script
2018-08-05 17:12:43 <_ikke_> ah, that's vnstat, didn't know
2018-08-05 17:12:56 <_ikke_> nice
2018-08-05 17:13:25 <fiftysix> surprisingly low avg. rates
2018-08-05 17:13:50 <_ikke_> uk is not a popular mirror
2018-08-05 17:13:59 <fiftysix> ic
2018-08-05 17:16:02 <PureTryOut[m]> now I get `ERROR: readline-dev-7.0.003-r0: BAD signature`... doesn't that mean it needs a `$pkgrel` bump as well?
2018-08-05 17:16:13 <mpmc> No wonder the uk mirror is always the fastest for me!
2018-08-05 17:16:28 <mpmc> being in the UK helps too I suppose.
2018-08-05 17:16:33 <danieli> it's a fairly new mirror
2018-08-05 17:16:40 <danieli> it's on a gigabit line too
2018-08-05 17:16:46 <danieli> and I take care of it :)
2018-08-05 17:16:53 <mpmc> :)
2018-08-05 17:17:00 <_ikke_> PureTryOut[m]: no, it usually means something different
2018-08-05 17:17:02 <fiftysix> how much is a gigabit line in the UK, danieli?
2018-08-05 17:17:04 <_ikke_> PureTryOut[m]: what mirror are you using?
2018-08-05 17:17:10 <danieli> that one's a free box
2018-08-05 17:17:13 <danieli> free for us, that is
2018-08-05 17:17:18 <_ikke_> sponsored
2018-08-05 17:17:20 <danieli> it's sponsored to the alpine project
2018-08-05 17:17:22 <fiftysix> okay, that's nice :)
2018-08-05 17:17:24 <danieli> """free"""
2018-08-05 17:17:28 <mpmc> By who?
2018-08-05 17:17:32 <danieli> it's usually not terribly expensive, let me check the prices
2018-08-05 17:17:36 <danieli> that one is rapidswitch, in maidenhead
2018-08-05 17:17:45 <mpmc> Ah.
2018-08-05 17:17:50 <PureTryOut[m]> _ikke_: http://dl-cdn.alpinelinux.org/alpine/edge/main
2018-08-05 17:17:56 <fiftysix> just out of curiosity ... here in Germany, _if_ you can get fiber to the home, it's still quite expensive
2018-08-05 17:17:57 <PureTryOut[m]> which I have no clue what it reroutes too
2018-08-05 17:17:58 <_ikke_> right, dl-cdn
2018-08-05 17:18:06 <_ikke_> PureTryOut[m]: dl-4
2018-08-05 17:18:17 <PureTryOut[m]> ok
2018-08-05 17:18:23 <_ikke_> Usually it means someone reverted the package without updating pkgrel
2018-08-05 17:18:23 <danieli> dl-cdn is one of our boxes behind fastly
2018-08-05 17:18:35 <_ikke_> danieli: isn't dl-cdn fastly?
2018-08-05 17:18:46 <danieli> well yes, but it's just proxying and caching
2018-08-05 17:18:59 <_ikke_> sure, but it's the front-side of fastly
2018-08-05 17:19:11 <_ikke_> which then gets its data from dl-4
2018-08-05 17:19:26 <_ikke_> unless I'm misunderstanding things
2018-08-05 17:19:29 <danieli> if you request a file that has been cached, it returns it from fastly
2018-08-05 17:19:42 <danieli> if you request a file that has _not_ been cached, it'll request it from dl-4, cache it, and return it
2018-08-05 17:19:48 <PureTryOut[m]> so, any clue how to resolve this? 😉 I remember having this before but I'm not sure how it was fixed back then
2018-08-05 17:19:54 <_ikke_> right, that's what a caching proxy does
2018-08-05 17:20:00 <danieli> mm
2018-08-05 17:20:08 <_ikke_> PureTryOut[m]: let me check
2018-08-05 17:22:01 <_ikke_> PureTryOut[m]: what it usually means is that the apkindex has a different signature as the actual package
2018-08-05 17:22:14 <PureTryOut[m]> it can also be updated btw, 7.0.005 is out
2018-08-05 17:22:25 <PureTryOut[m]> ah ok
2018-08-05 17:22:43 <_ikke_> PureTryOut[m]: that can happen if the mirror is not fully synced yet, or with dl-cdn, if the package with the same name but different signature is uploaded
2018-08-05 17:22:55 <_ikke_> while the cache still serves the old package
2018-08-05 17:23:27 <_ikke_> But I don't see any reverts for readline
2018-08-05 17:23:37 <PureTryOut[m]> I'm guessing it's the latter than, as the last build time is June 2017. I'm guessing it has been downloaded at least once through that mirror since then lol
2018-08-05 17:23:48 <danieli> which mirror is in question here?
2018-08-05 17:23:51 <_ikke_> dl-cdn
2018-08-05 17:23:54 <danieli> aha
2018-08-05 17:24:02 <danieli> odd..
2018-08-05 17:24:06 <_ikke_> yes
2018-08-05 17:24:10 <danieli> I don't have any insight into that, unfortunately
2018-08-05 17:24:16 <danieli> clandmeter: any idea?
2018-08-05 17:24:19 <_ikke_> PureTryOut[m]: tried an apk update?
2018-08-05 17:26:16 <mpmc> That is the only thing that bothers me about alpine, some packages are a bit behind.
2018-08-05 17:26:41 <PureTryOut[m]> _ikke_: it's a clean install
2018-08-05 17:26:56 <PureTryOut[m]> (so yes an apk update was being done)
2018-08-05 17:26:58 <_ikke_> mpmc: We're not a big distro with lots of people keeping packages up-to-date
2018-08-05 17:27:16 <mpmc> _ikke_: I know :)
2018-08-05 17:27:17 <_ikke_> mpmc: or more, people to approve the changes
2018-08-05 17:28:40 <mpmc> I wonder if alpine will run on an original rpi.
2018-08-05 17:29:30 <fiftysix> apparently it does, looking at the wiki
2018-08-05 17:31:30 <mpmc> fiftysix: I've ran it on a newer Pi, just not on my first ever Pi (one of the first 10k with the dodgy bits :p).
2018-08-05 17:31:55 <PureTryOut[m]> I wonder why this always happens with readline though...
2018-08-05 17:34:54 <fiftysix> mpmc, okay, no idea about that ... i've never owned a pi. just boxes full of microcontrollers :P
2018-08-05 17:44:42 <PureTryOut[m]> I can't actually rebuild gnome-shell... It complains about a missing dependency "mutter-clutter"
2018-08-05 17:44:51 <PureTryOut[m]> well, "mutter-clutter-1"
2018-08-05 17:46:09 <_ikke_> it's mutter-clutter-2 now apparently
2018-08-05 17:46:47 <_ikke_> which is provided by mutter-dev
2018-08-05 17:55:07 <PureTryOut[m]> ah I see the problem. Mutter is already at 3.28 where gnome-shell is still at 3.26
2018-08-05 17:57:48 <mpmc> It's alive, it's alive! /me sheds a tear. So alpine on an original rpi = good to go.
2018-08-05 17:57:55 <_ikke_> hehe
2018-08-05 18:30:02 <mpmc> Interesting, alpine doesn't boot if you change the gpu_mem to 16 on an rpi.
2018-08-05 19:55:51 <sigtrm> Hey! I am having trouble getting wireguard installed on aarch64, anybody else had problems with this?
2018-08-05 19:56:28 <_ikke_> sigtrm: what problems
2018-08-05 19:57:56 <sigtrm> So I am trying to get it running on an rpi 3 and when I run " ip link add dev wg0 type wireguard" i get "ip: RTNETLINK answers: Not supported"
2018-08-05 19:58:31 <sigtrm> If I run "modprobe wireguard" I get modprobe: FATAL: Module wireguard not found in directory /lib/modules/4.14.55-0-rpi"
2018-08-05 19:58:49 <_ikke_> so the module is missing then
2018-08-05 19:58:52 <_ikke_> the kernel moduel
2018-08-05 19:59:03 <_ikke_> what does uname -r return?
2018-08-05 19:59:20 <sigtrm> 4.14.55-0-rpi
2018-08-05 19:59:37 <_ikke_> ok, so not a newer kernel installed
2018-08-05 19:59:38 <sigtrm> I installed both wireguard-tools and wireguard-vanilla
2018-08-05 20:00:00 <_ikke_> /lib/modules/4.14.55-0-vanilla/extra/wireguard.ko
2018-08-05 20:00:30 <sigtrm> That file exists
2018-08-05 20:00:40 <_ikke_> hmm
2018-08-05 20:00:44 <_ikke_> not sure then
2018-08-05 20:01:25 <sigtrm> Does modprobe look in both the -rpi and -vanilla folders?
2018-08-05 20:01:43 <_ikke_> Probably not
2018-08-05 20:02:08 <_ikke_> Not sure though
2018-08-05 20:02:25 <_ikke_> You could try to copy it in the -rpi dir
2018-08-05 20:03:15 <sigtrm> I was thinking of making a symbolic link
2018-08-05 20:03:21 <_ikke_> right
2018-08-05 20:03:23 <sigtrm> But I don't want to mess things up for future versions
2018-08-05 20:03:28 <_ikke_> https://git.alpinelinux.org/cgit/aports/tree/testing/wireguard-vanilla/APKBUILD#n11
2018-08-05 20:03:43 <_ikke_> So you would need to build that package with FLAVOR set to rpi
2018-08-05 20:04:41 <sigtrm> Okay
2018-08-05 20:06:15 <sigtrm> I appreciate your help _ikke_
2018-08-05 20:06:19 <sigtrm> Norwegian btw?
2018-08-05 20:08:03 <sigtrm> I am quite new to Alpine, I because up until recently I didn't get Alpine running on rpi at all (bug in the screen output)
2018-08-05 20:08:32 <sigtrm> Is apkbuild files like pkgbuild files from Arch?
2018-08-05 20:08:41 <sigtrm> Are there any managers like Arch has?
2018-08-05 20:09:21 <maxice8> sigtrm: yes apkbuild are like pkgbuild, just like Void Linux templates, Gentoo ebuilds and Exherbo exheres
2018-08-05 20:09:53 <sigtrm> Thanks
2018-08-05 20:11:04 <sigtrm> Are there any managers for it?
2018-08-05 20:13:48 <_ikke_> sigtrm: nope
2018-08-05 20:14:14 <sigtrm> Okay so no shortcut, I guess I'll read up on apkbuild
2018-08-05 20:14:17 <sigtrm> Thanks
2018-08-05 20:18:16 <_ikke_> sigtrm: It didn't take the module?
2018-08-05 20:18:30 <sigtrm> No just linking it didn't help
2018-08-05 20:27:35 <sigtrm> So another question, I shouldn't build as root, but at the same time I get permission denied errors
2018-08-05 20:28:03 <_ikke_> sigtrm: permission denied for what?
2018-08-05 20:28:23 <sigtrm> abuild-fetch: /var/cache/distfiles/WireGuard-0.0.20180802.tar.xz.lock: Permission denied
2018-08-05 20:28:40 <_ikke_> You need to make sure your user can write to that dir
2018-08-05 20:30:01 <sigtrm> Should be, but I logged out and back in and now I moved to the next error
2018-08-05 20:30:14 <_ikke_> what error?
2018-08-05 20:30:31 <sigtrm> /usr/bin/abuild: line 2613: APKBUILD: not found
2018-08-05 20:30:53 <_ikke_> are you running abuild in the correct directory?
2018-08-05 20:31:05 <_ikke_> it should be in the dir where the APKBUILD is located
2018-08-05 20:31:42 <sigtrm> Yes I am running it in the same directory that the APKBUILD is located, is there a specific directory it should be located? Right now I am just using the home folder
2018-08-05 20:32:09 <_ikke_> No, shouldn't matter
2018-08-05 20:53:36 <sigtrm> SO a bit of progress, let me if you have any advice
2018-08-05 20:53:49 <sigtrm> >>> ERROR: : Could not find ./APKBUILD (PWD=/home/user)
2018-08-05 20:54:08 <_ikke_> ls APKBUILD
2018-08-05 20:54:45 <sigtrm> Should I make the folder?
2018-08-05 20:54:53 <_ikke_> probably is better
2018-08-05 20:55:25 <sigtrm> Nope, didn't make a difference
2018-08-05 20:55:34 <_ikke_> weird
2018-08-05 20:55:46 <_ikke_> did you try ls APKBUILD?
2018-08-05 20:56:17 <sigtrm> Yes, nothing because the folder is empty
2018-08-05 20:56:30 <_ikke_> well, it shouldn't be empty
2018-08-05 20:56:37 <_ikke_> it should at least contain the APKBUILD file
2018-08-05 20:56:57 <sigtrm> BUt it should be copied by the build process?
2018-08-05 20:57:00 <_ikke_> no
2018-08-05 20:57:10 <sigtrm> Okay, then I messed up someplace
2018-08-05 20:57:16 <Shiz> what are you trying to do?
2018-08-05 20:57:24 <sigtrm> build wireguard
2018-08-05 20:57:30 <Shiz> if you want to run abuild, you need an APKBUILD that tells it how to build the package
2018-08-05 20:57:34 <Shiz> wireguard is already packaged
2018-08-05 20:57:47 <_ikke_> Shiz: it's missing the kernel modules for rpi
2018-08-05 20:57:54 <_ikke_> only vanilla
2018-08-05 20:57:56 <sigtrm> I know, but I am running it on a rpi and it puts it in a different module folder
2018-08-05 20:58:10 <Shiz> right
2018-08-05 20:58:17 <Shiz> 22:53:49  sigtrm : >>> ERROR: : Could not find ./APKBUILD (PWD=/home/user)
2018-08-05 20:58:24 <Shiz> /home/user is obviously not where the wireguard APKBUILD is
2018-08-05 20:58:33 <Shiz> so run abuild from the directory te wireguard APKBUILD is in
2018-08-05 20:58:51 <_ikke_> Shiz: I think they assumed abuild would download the necessary files
2018-08-05 20:59:09 <sigtrm> Okay so I used wget to get the APKBUILD file from https://git.alpinelinux.org/cgit/aports/plain/testing/wireguard-vanilla/APKBUILD
2018-08-05 20:59:15 <sigtrm> And then I ran abuild on that file
2018-08-05 20:59:20 <sigtrm> All of this in /home/user
2018-08-05 20:59:28 <_ikke_> sigtrm: please use a dedicated folder
2018-08-05 20:59:42 <Shiz> also, clone the aports git instead
2018-08-05 20:59:47 <Shiz> don't wget a single file from it
2018-08-05 20:59:52 <sigtrm> Ah okay
2018-08-05 21:00:03 <Shiz> git clone git://git.alpinelinux.org/aports; cd aports/testing/wireguard-vanilla
2018-08-05 21:00:15 <Shiz> FLAVOR=rpi abuild -r
2018-08-05 21:00:34 <_ikke_> Shiz: shouldn't be necessary to have a complete aports to build a single package
2018-08-05 21:00:43 <Shiz> _ikke_: it is
2018-08-05 21:00:46 <_ikke_> especially when there is only an APBUILD
2018-08-05 21:00:47 <Shiz> # verify the kernel version
2018-08-05 21:00:48 <Shiz> local _kapkbuild=../../main/linux-$_pkgver/APKBUILD
2018-08-05 21:00:53 <Shiz> check the actual wireguard apkbuild contents
2018-08-05 21:00:55 <Shiz> :P
2018-08-05 21:00:57 <_ikke_> hmm
2018-08-05 21:01:02 <_ikke_> right
2018-08-05 21:01:15 <Shiz> and in general, packages sometimes have auxiliary files in theird irs
2018-08-05 21:01:21 <_ikke_> sure
2018-08-05 21:01:23 <Shiz> so it's a good idea to always have an aports tree clone anyway
2018-08-05 21:02:03 <_ikke_> but normally it should be sufficient to just have the files belonging to the package
2018-08-05 21:02:05 <sigtrm> So make an aports folder inside /home/user and clone the git there
2018-08-05 21:02:10 <sigtrm> ?
2018-08-05 21:02:21 <_ikke_> just git clone <aports url>
2018-08-05 21:02:25 <_ikke_> it will create the aports dir
2018-08-05 21:02:25 <sigtrm> okay
2018-08-05 21:08:48 <sigtrm> Thanks, got a bit further
2018-08-05 21:09:24 <sigtrm> ERROR: unsatisfiable constraints: .makedepends-wireguard-rpi-0: masked in: cache satisfies: world[.makedepends-wireguard-rpi] >>> ERROR: wireguard-rpi: all failed
2018-08-05 21:10:14 <Shiz> try apk del .makedepends-wireguard-rpi
2018-08-05 21:10:16 <Shiz> first
2018-08-05 21:11:31 <sigtrm> OKay, then try again?
2018-08-05 21:13:21 <_ikke_> yes
2018-08-05 21:13:38 <sigtrm> Nope same error
2018-08-05 21:17:14 <rmbeer> how to deactivate --syslog from mariadb?...
2018-08-05 21:34:25 <_ikke_> try to look at /etc/init.d/mariadb
2018-08-05 21:35:39 <rmbeer> _ikke_, thanks!...
2018-08-05 21:36:16 <_ikke_> note that it's usually not recommended to edit this file (because it's managed by apk)
2018-08-05 21:36:35 <_ikke_> on the other hand, it's located in /etc, so it's probably treated as a config file
2018-08-05 21:39:47 <rmbeer> unfortunately it is not possible, it could only be achieved by deleting --syslog from /etc/init.d/mariadb  ...
2018-08-05 21:42:50 <_ikke_> you can make a copy of it
2018-08-05 21:42:54 <_ikke_> or just edit it
2018-08-05 21:44:41 <rmbeer> yes, i edit it...
2018-08-05 22:38:06 <Shiz> sigtrm: hmm, not immediately sure
2018-08-05 22:40:56 <sigtrm> As much as I like the idea of Alpine, I think I might have to go with something else for now and come back to Alpine, I just can't seem to make wireguard install correctly
2018-08-05 22:43:52 <sigtrm> I appreciate all your help
2018-08-05 22:51:48 <essence> hey everyone, I'm trying to boot a Raspberry Pi Zero W using linux-vanilla package, but the kernel doesn't even start (with and without U-Boot)... I tried building it using multi_v7_defconfig too, but still had no success
2018-08-05 22:51:55 <essence> does anyone know how to run mainline/vanilla kernel on rpi zero w?
2018-08-05 22:59:29 <essence> note: linux-rpi works (but only without U-Boot)... but it's not the mainline one (which seems to be supported by now)
2018-08-06 03:44:53 <danieli> essence: as far as I know, they've required a custom patched kernel (linux-rpi) all along
2018-08-06 12:48:36 <tya99> anyone in here know graphviz i'm updating an article on the alpinelinux wiki
2018-08-06 12:48:46 <tya99> and having some trouble :( with flipping the label over the other side
2018-08-06 12:49:54 <tya99> i drew this diagram https://i.imgur.com/I8bEMQt.png
2018-08-06 12:50:36 <danieli> just curious, what is this for, exactly?
2018-08-06 12:50:41 <danieli> also, paste the graphviz code?
2018-08-06 12:50:47 <tya99> doing that now
2018-08-06 12:51:01 <tya99> https://wiki.alpinelinux.org/wiki/Linux_Router_with_VPN_on_a_Raspberry_Pi_(IPv6) i am tidying it up
2018-08-06 12:51:15 <tya99> seeing as i got it all working perfectly and tested
2018-08-06 12:51:53 <tya99> i am a bit of a noob at graphviz https://pastebin.com/tNvWJEAd
2018-08-06 12:51:56 <tya99> so don't laugh
2018-08-06 12:52:46 <danieli> just need to install some stuff on this machine, i'll have a look in a sec
2018-08-06 12:52:47 <tya99> i reckon it would look better of the nodes on the switch had more space between them like https://wiki.alpinelinux.org/w/images/thumb/2/2c/Network_Diagram_ipv4_ipv6_with_vlans.svg/900px-Network_Diagram_ipv4_ipv6_with_vlans.svg.png :P
2018-08-06 12:52:57 <tya99> danieli: much appreciated #graphviz is dead
2018-08-06 12:53:24 <tya99> i think the other guy used dia but i decided graphviz was a better way to do it
2018-08-06 12:54:30 <tya99> http://www.graphviz.org/doc/info/attrs.html i had tried a fair few things in there like xlabelrotate and orientation but couldn't seem to get it happening
2018-08-06 12:54:46 <tya99> as well as pos
2018-08-06 12:55:55 <tya99> if you have any other tips i am happy to take them onboard
2018-08-06 12:56:31 <tya99> i am also in the process of cleaning up https://wiki.alpinelinux.org/wiki/Linux_Router_with_VPN_on_a_Raspberry_Pi and moving some stuff out into subarticles
2018-08-06 12:57:28 <danieli> you're using some images for icons I don't have, I'll test without them
2018-08-06 12:57:38 <tya99> initially the guy who did it used aliased interfaces. but i extended it with vlans and implemented dual stac
2018-08-06 12:57:46 <tya99> danieli: those are:
2018-08-06 12:57:52 <tya99> the cisco ones lemme put em up
2018-08-06 12:58:01 <danieli> I have stencils but I don't need them just to test it
2018-08-06 12:58:29 <tya99> kk
2018-08-06 12:58:58 <tya99> ill pop em up anyway
2018-08-06 12:59:09 <danieli> not really necessary to post them here
2018-08-06 13:00:33 <tya99> cisco provides them free so they aren't proprietary or anything
2018-08-06 13:00:41 <tya99> they provide all the pix in eps
2018-08-06 13:01:02 <danieli> i am aware, i have a fairly large set of stencils actually, from various vendors
2018-08-06 13:01:21 <tya99> yup
2018-08-06 13:03:20 <tya99> i got the idea from here to do it https://mikegriffin.ie/blog/20110308-a-graphviz-tutorial so yeah
2018-08-06 13:04:41 <tya99> the main one i want to flip over the other side is the yellow switch box its a bit cramped in there
2018-08-06 13:05:09 <tya99> and if those computer nodes, laptop and printer could be fanned out more the minlength coulld be shorter
2018-08-06 13:05:27 <tya99> which would compact it more and make it look better on the wiki page
2018-08-06 13:05:50 <tya99> i did this for my local linux user group
2018-08-06 13:06:03 <danieli> this is a whole mess full of html, it'll take me more time than I have to spend - sorry
2018-08-06 13:06:22 <tya99> right, do you reckon i should do that some other way?
2018-08-06 13:06:52 <tya99> i don't think the html labels are actually the problem though
2018-08-06 13:07:01 <tya99> more to do with spine management
2018-08-06 13:07:05 <tya99> *spline
2018-08-06 13:09:33 <Shiz> hmm
2018-08-06 13:09:38 <Shiz> not sure I noticed before, but grats on the ops danieli
2018-08-06 13:09:40 <Shiz> :p
2018-08-06 13:09:56 <_ikke_> Is quite recent :_
2018-08-06 13:09:58 <_ikke_> :-)
2018-08-06 13:10:09 <danieli> oh right, I forgot again - and yeah, yesterday or the day before
2018-08-06 13:11:04 <danieli> tya99: it varies a bit with versions, I'm quite used to graphviz and gephi, but not graphviz with large amounts of HTML in it
2018-08-06 13:11:21 <tya99> right maybe i should do it without html
2018-08-06 13:11:35 <tya99> i did that to color the labels but there might have been a better way in which i can redo
2018-08-06 13:11:51 <tya99> if you have any suggestions, i'm not too pleased with how much more messy the html has made it
2018-08-06 13:11:58 <tya99> and a lot of duplication
2018-08-06 13:12:53 <tya99> i  might look into using gephi
2018-08-06 13:13:21 <tya99> i would have used dia except that it seems to be unmaintained
2018-08-06 13:14:00 <tya99> so when i started with graphviz i thought i had to do it all by hand :P
2018-08-06 13:49:14 <tya99> danieli: https://pastebin.com/gebnGz9j i made a text only version but yeah some of the same issues https://i.imgur.com/AF6KU3B.png
2018-08-06 15:05:25 <TBB> I see you've switched to a persistent nickname :)
2018-08-06 15:08:42 <tya99> TBB: you talking about me?
2018-08-06 15:22:00 <thunfisch> hey guys, my php installation is completely broken after some recent updates. running 3.8
2018-08-06 15:22:26 <thunfisch> https://paste.xinu.at/NEJbdx/
2018-08-06 15:22:39 <thunfisch> packages are all installed and up to date, worked perfectly fine a few weeks ago.
2018-08-06 15:23:10 <thunfisch> am trying to update to nextcloud 13 right now, because 12 doesnt support 7.2 apparently, but even the nc13 cli tool falls over badly
2018-08-06 15:23:32 <thunfisch> some other webpages using php load just fine
2018-08-06 15:23:38 <thunfisch> any ideas whats going on there?
2018-08-06 15:24:19 <clandmeter> apk -U upgrade -a
2018-08-06 15:25:14 <clandmeter> does that update some of the packages?
2018-08-06 15:32:19 <thunfisch> jesus.. that was it, good catch. but why didn't apk update && apk upgrade not catch those packagase?
2018-08-06 15:32:35 <thunfisch> there where 149 packages that had updates :/
2018-08-06 15:36:08 <clandmeter> because you need to  read t he upgrade procdure
2018-08-06 15:36:18 <clandmeter> its on the wiki.
2018-08-06 15:36:28 <clandmeter> its when you switch between branches
2018-08-06 15:38:01 <thunfisch> yeah, didn't notice that line.
2018-08-06 15:40:23 <tya99> danieli: i figured out how to do it, i can use pos but i have to use -Kneato or -Kfdp
2018-08-06 15:42:14 <_ikke_> right, the default layout doesn't give much flexibility in how to position things
2018-08-06 15:42:54 <tya99> and for network diagrams star layout usually is useful
2018-08-06 15:43:09 <tya99> to show these things all come off this thing
2018-08-06 15:43:39 <tya99> but it is new to me i haven't used graphviz before so i will have learnt something for next time
2018-08-06 15:44:48 <tya99> i'm glad the problem wasn't my html :P
2018-08-06 15:52:58 <blueyed> clandmeter: I've created https://bugs.alpinelinux.org/issues/9194 now for the issue with dl-cdn redirecting Squid to https (resulting in 404).
2018-08-06 15:59:56 <danieli> it's not redirecting to https for me
2018-08-06 16:03:35 <blueyed> danieli: are you using squid as http_proxy?
2018-08-06 16:03:55 <danieli> no, but i suspect it's faulty proxy configuration, one way or another
2018-08-06 16:04:06 <TBB> tya99: nah, the artist formerly known as liwakura; renamed him/herself to a network interface
2018-08-06 16:04:18 <tya99> oh
2018-08-06 16:04:40 <tya99> oh you  mean wlp0s29f7u3
2018-08-06 16:05:16 <TBB> yup :)
2018-08-06 16:05:25 <danieli> looks like welsh
2018-08-06 16:05:26 <danieli> or keyboard mash
2018-08-06 16:05:47 <wlp0s29f7u3> danieli: no, its my actual wifi interface name rn
2018-08-06 16:06:00 <wlp0s29f7u3> plugged in via USB port
2018-08-06 16:06:00 <TBB> which is why it's so pleasant to work with Linux network interfaces these days :D
2018-08-06 16:06:44 <wlp0s29f7u3> at least my name is "predictable" now
2018-08-06 16:06:53 <danieli> jesus christ
2018-08-06 16:06:57 <wlp0s29f7u3> and yes, its meant to make fun of whatever the udev people had in mind
2018-08-06 16:07:46 <TBB> your use of sarcasm didn't get unnoticed :)
2018-08-06 16:08:13 <wlp0s29f7u3> also, today i figured out how to do predictable interface names on alpine
2018-08-06 16:08:35 <wlp0s29f7u3> i didn't like the udev way, so im now writing udev rules to impose my own naming schema over the relevant interfaces
2018-08-06 16:10:13 <danieli> this would be the time to rant about [relatively controversial init system/all-eating black hole] but let's not go there
2018-08-06 16:10:24 <TBB> yeah, let's not :)
2018-08-06 16:10:37 <wlp0s29f7u3> danieli: its not even an systemd thing, its done by udev
2018-08-06 16:10:43 <wlp0s29f7u3> and eudev also has it
2018-08-06 16:11:01 <TBB> we've all been there, and didn't like what was on the menu
2018-08-06 16:11:20 <koollman> wlp0s29f7u3: so, what are your rules ?
2018-08-06 16:11:59 <danieli> it's now part of systemd wlp0s29f7u3
2018-08-06 16:12:06 <wlp0s29f7u3> custom names depending on the labels on the machine physical ports
2018-08-06 16:12:07 <danieli> standalone is eudev, which is based on the same code
2018-08-06 16:12:27 <wlp0s29f7u3> and all other interfaces keep their conventional name
2018-08-06 16:12:52 <danieli> let's take this to #alpine-offtopic, perhaps? :)
2018-08-06 16:13:39 <wlp0s29f7u3> i'd rather get back to work
2018-08-06 16:17:35 <danieli> good idea
2018-08-06 16:20:46 <blueyed> danieli: well, it behaves different when having a man-in-the-middle proxy between squid and dl-cdn, so it really looks like some faulty config, but more of the Varnish or something else being used there.
2018-08-06 16:22:24 <tya99> danieli: got any idea what i can do to move the label around for laptop https://i.imgur.com/3Q1nJmC.png
2018-08-06 16:22:46 <tya99> i would have thought this would have been it http://www.graphviz.org/doc/info/attrs.html#d:labelangle
2018-08-06 16:23:10 <tya99> but nothing seems to happen
2018-08-06 16:23:25 <danieli> the fastly server isn't the issue, it has to be something in the squid config
2018-08-06 16:24:55 <tya99> https://pastebin.com/RubwxHRG is the code if you care or not :)
2018-08-06 16:25:09 <tya99> line 426 i tried that but yeah
2018-08-06 16:50:46 <tya99> https://stackoverflow.com/questions/30689533/graphviz-graph-positioning-xlabels
2018-08-06 16:50:49 <tya99> :( it's broken
2018-08-06 17:07:42 <q3cpma> Hello, would anyone know what could make the "disk" mode of rtcwake unavailable? Maybe CONFIG_HIBERNATION not being set in https://git.alpinelinux.org/cgit/aports/tree/main/linux-vanilla/config-vanilla.x86_64 is the cause.
2018-08-06 18:44:31 <yingfan68> Hi I got firmware registration failed and ending up at login prompt when trying to install standard x64. Tried to google it but got no viable hits. dmesg only showd intel_rng as possible culprit...
2018-08-06 20:01:34 <TheLaughingMan> quick question: if i wanted to make a bootable usb drive with setup-bootable;  which iso would I use? standard or extended?
2018-08-06 20:19:20 <TheLaughingMan> does it matter?  standard doesn't seem to work.. unless I'm mistaken
2018-08-06 20:23:12 <duncan^> Define "not work"
2018-08-06 20:26:24 <TheLaughingMan> doesn't boot. 'failed to load ldlinux.c32' but the file *is* there in /boot
2018-08-06 20:28:59 <TheLaughingMan> wget ../alpine-standard-3.8.0-x86_64.iso; modprobe vfat; mkdosfs -F32 /dev/sdb1; mount -t iso9660 alpine-standard-3.8.0-x86_64.iso /media/cdrom; setup-bootable -v /media/cdrom /dev/sdb1
2018-08-06 20:29:24 <TheLaughingMan> those were my steps; i checked with parted if it was bootable (it wasn't) so I fixed that but it still has the same error.
2018-08-06 20:30:27 <TheLaughingMan> I'm just not sure if I need the extended version because the description states it already runs from ram
2018-08-06 20:30:44 <TheLaughingMan> or if that won't fix my problem; what will?
2018-08-06 20:30:50 <clandmeter> extended means the amount of pkgs included
2018-08-06 20:31:11 <clandmeter> did you report this issue before?
2018-08-06 20:31:34 <clandmeter> i remember somebody else also mentioned it.
2018-08-06 20:32:11 <clandmeter> if you want to use it as installation media, you can simply dd the iso to the usb disk.
2018-08-06 20:32:14 <TheLaughingMan> no; first time trying with alpine. I've done it with arch before though, no problem.
2018-08-06 20:33:00 <TheLaughingMan> clandmeter: ok; I would still need to make it bootable with parted correct?  (just making sure)
2018-08-06 20:33:20 <clandmeter> no
2018-08-06 20:33:29 <clandmeter> dd the iso to usb and its good to go
2018-08-06 20:34:12 <clandmeter> there are some limitations, but not if you use it for installation media.
2018-08-06 20:35:56 <TheLaughingMan> clandmeter: well i wanted to use it as a ramfs
2018-08-06 20:36:04 <TheLaughingMan> so booting from the USB
2018-08-06 20:36:19 <_ikke_> and also use lbu?
2018-08-06 20:36:26 <TheLaughingMan> yes
2018-08-06 20:36:34 <_ikke_> then dd would not work
2018-08-06 20:36:35 <TheLaughingMan> *and local apk cache
2018-08-06 20:36:38 <clandmeter>  /o\
2018-08-06 20:36:49 <clandmeter> that wont work
2018-08-06 20:37:21 <clandmeter> _ikke_, stop stealing my support calls :p
2018-08-06 20:37:34 <TheLaughingMan> fdisk -l also says partition1 starts @ 2048... that looks odd maybe
2018-08-06 20:37:44 <clandmeter> im on no cure no pay
2018-08-06 20:50:29 <TheLaughingMan> is this the incorrect way to do this?
2018-08-06 20:53:20 <TheLaughingMan> wait a sec
2018-08-06 20:53:51 <TheLaughingMan> ok... might've been a hardware issue?  I just did setup-bootable again but using a different port and it booted...
2018-08-06 21:01:55 <TheLaughingMan> So just to be sure I make my changes to the current install;  run setup-apkcache;  then lbu ls; lbu status; lbu ci ?
2018-08-06 21:03:33 <_ikke_> clandmeter: :D
2018-08-06 21:06:17 <TheLaughingMan> I hope these aren't too dumb of questions :?  I'm playing with minimal distros atm and I'm moving from slitaz to alpine so all of above is just from reading the wiki most of the day :P
2018-08-06 21:06:41 <TheLaughingMan> minus an hour for a bad usb drive heh
2018-08-06 21:06:51 <TheLaughingMan> *port rather
2018-08-06 21:58:19 <TheLaughingMan> alright, thanks for the help. :)
2018-08-06 22:28:19 <dfayruzov> hi everybody
2018-08-06 22:28:32 <dfayruzov> I need some conceptual guidance )
2018-08-06 22:29:49 <dfayruzov> I want my server to PXE boot Alpine and host several workloads: samba share, ZFS and a couple of docker containers which chould be able to write to ZFS mounted HDDs
2018-08-06 22:31:08 <dfayruzov> How to do this right: should I have diskless or data mode? Should I create custom image with all necessary packages and modules or it's should be achieved with LBU?
2018-08-06 22:31:25 <dfayruzov> Any thoughts would be much appreciated.
2018-08-06 22:40:38 <Shiz> if you want to pxe boot it there's not gonna be a diskless or data mode
2018-08-06 22:40:40 <Shiz> it'll just be netbooted
2018-08-06 22:40:42 <Shiz> :p
2018-08-06 22:40:56 <Shiz> everything that you can do should be solvable through lbu
2018-08-06 23:05:02 <dfayruzov> thx Shiz )
2018-08-07 10:05:37 <fiftysix> hi
2018-08-07 10:06:06 <fiftysix> the fact that https://wiki.alpinelinux.org/wiki/ISP_Mail_Server_3.x_HowTo instructs to install Lighttpd (as opposed, to, say, nginx) - is that intentional or has the page simply not been updated yet?
2018-08-07 10:16:44 <malade_mental> hi, i'm trying to install alpine with libvirt (on a debian host), and the vm doesn't get an interface. I already used the setup file for other distros and I had no problem at all
2018-08-07 10:16:48 <burzos> What is wrong with lighttpd?
2018-08-07 10:19:55 <malade_mental> my config file : https://nopaste.linux-dev.org/?1184353
2018-08-07 10:22:12 <liwakura> malade_mental: could you elaborate the problem?
2018-08-07 10:22:13 <fiftysix> burzos, nothing safe for the fact that the last point release was in March and the one before that in November. I.e., it's being maintained a little, but not really developed anymore.
2018-08-07 10:22:25 <liwakura> like, you dont have an network interface after boot?
2018-08-07 10:23:34 <malade_mental> yes, I have only loopback
2018-08-07 10:24:02 <malade_mental> I'm wondering if the virtio network module is not loaded in alpine
2018-08-07 10:25:24 <TBB> alpine, by default, doesn't load much
2018-08-07 10:26:49 <malade_mental> i tried to modprobe 9pnet but this doesn't seem to change anything
2018-08-07 10:29:06 <malade_mental> Ah, I forgot to specify, I'm still in the live iso and I can't update the apkrepo because of the lack of network interface
2018-08-07 10:34:39 <liwakura> what is 9pnet for?
2018-08-07 10:34:49 <malade_mental> hum, I may try the qemu mode : https://wiki.alpinelinux.org/wiki/Qemu
2018-08-07 10:35:07 <malade_mental> 9pnet is a module that is used by libvirt to provide virtual network interfaces
2018-08-07 10:35:20 <liwakura> »<model type='rtl8139'/>«
2018-08-07 10:35:24 <liwakura> you could set that to virtio
2018-08-07 10:35:40 <liwakura> not sure what the exact value is
2018-08-07 10:35:57 <liwakura> i dont think the alpine-virt iso has rtl8139 drivers included by default
2018-08-07 10:36:54 <malade_mental> ok I'm gonna see this
2018-08-07 10:44:44 <malade_mental> thanks liwakura I used old configuration files from a friend and it seems he didn't check the model type. But virtio instead of rtl8139 is better ;)
2018-08-07 10:47:18 <TBB> that rtl should be avoided at all costs anyway
2018-08-07 10:47:27 <TBB> it's slow and buggy
2018-08-07 11:00:43 <malade_mental> TBB I'm gonna change on all of my other vms ...
2018-08-07 12:23:43 <fiftysix> Fuck, I'm so afraid of setting up a new email server. The old one's not perfect but at least it's been working a couple of years. But to go through the whole process of setting everything up again and in a way that the reputation starts out well, that's become outright scary :-(
2018-08-07 12:29:47 <burzos> fiftysix: What hardening do you do for your email server?
2018-08-07 12:30:43 <fiftysix> burzos, the old one? Lol, that's still running on Debian fucking Wheezy. I wouldn't use the word hardening at all.
2018-08-07 12:31:04 <fiftysix> The new one, I'm still sitting in front of the computer, unable to start hitting the keys.
2018-08-07 12:31:46 <fiftysix> My feeling is that no hardening would be needed with Alpine if as long as I'm good and quick at keeping it updated.
2018-08-07 12:32:03 <fiftysix> s/if as/as/
2018-08-07 12:32:46 <burzos> You will just update automatically?
2018-08-07 12:36:21 <burzos> Skype was always a clunker.
2018-08-07 12:49:41 <inari> Hi, how can I run app after OS start? That app don't have service so...
2018-08-07 12:52:25 <clandmeter> inari, cat /etc/local.d/README
2018-08-07 12:52:25 <inari> clandmeter: Thanks! :-)
2018-08-07 12:52:25 <clandmeter> its not that hard.
2018-08-07 12:52:25 <clandmeter> better yet, create your own init.d script.
2018-08-07 12:56:35 <inari> clandmeter Something like this https://gist.github.com/drmalex07/298ab26c06ecf401f66c ?
2018-08-07 12:58:42 <fiftysix> burzos, yes, sure, why not?
2018-08-07 13:01:49 <clandmeter> inari, https://github.com/OpenRC/openrc/blob/master/service-script-guide.md
2018-08-07 13:02:30 <burzos> fiftysix: I'm paranoid about a bad update bricking my server.
2018-08-07 13:04:17 <inari> clandmeter: That looks hard XD But thx, I'll try it.
2018-08-07 13:04:51 <_ikke_> inari: for a reasonly simple service, just a few declarations are enough
2018-08-07 13:05:01 <clandmeter> what _ikke_ says
2018-08-07 13:05:15 <clandmeter> read the page and it should be simple.
2018-08-07 13:05:33 <_ikke_> (hope I'm not stealing your support call again :P)
2018-08-07 13:05:42 <clandmeter> :)
2018-08-07 13:05:52 <clandmeter> you can take this one.
2018-08-07 13:06:01 <clandmeter> i have a headache
2018-08-07 13:06:17 <clandmeter> going to take some paracetamol and see if that helps.
2018-08-07 13:10:19 <_ikke_> hope it will go over quickly
2018-08-07 13:20:15 <fiftysix> burzos, understandable. i've been doing it on our home router for around a year now. no problems yet.
2018-08-07 13:22:36 <inari> I really don't know how to use OpenRC XD
2018-08-07 13:26:01 <inari> _ikke_ can you help me with this please? :D
2018-08-07 13:36:47 <_ikke_> inari: where are you currently?
2018-08-07 13:42:46 <inari> _ikke_ Now I have some script, it's work, but at start it's write "start-stop-daemon: option requires an argument: exec" and help...
2018-08-07 13:44:48 <_ikke_> inari: how does your service file look like?
2018-08-07 13:46:56 <inari> _ikke_ http://www.wepaste.com/alpine-filebrowser/
2018-08-07 14:00:20 <_ikke_> Just to be sure, did you try this way? https://github.com/OpenRC/openrc/blob/master/service-script-guide.md#dont-write-your-own-startstop-functions
2018-08-07 14:04:15 <inari> No, because I don't know how to do this. So I found this http://big-elephants.com/2013-01/writing-your-own-init-scripts/ ...
2018-08-07 14:04:42 <_ikke_> step 1: define $command
2018-08-07 14:04:52 <_ikke_> step 2: define $command_args
2018-08-07 14:17:42 <fiftysix> damn timed out
2018-08-07 14:17:46 <inari> _ikke_ in start()?
2018-08-07 14:18:05 <_ikke_> no
2018-08-07 14:18:13 <_ikke_> don't define the functions at all
2018-08-07 14:18:28 <_ikke_> just a few variable declarations are enough
2018-08-07 14:21:08 <inari> Oh, okay
2018-08-07 14:23:14 <inari> And after that?
2018-08-07 14:23:39 <_ikke_> Test if it works or not
2018-08-07 14:24:43 <_ikke_> If you want to support reload, you can use this https://github.com/OpenRC/openrc/blob/master/service-script-guide.md#reloading-your-daemons-configuration
2018-08-07 14:26:45 <inari> Yes, it's work, but it's run in command line...
2018-08-07 14:27:23 <_ikke_> what do you mean with that?
2018-08-07 14:30:16 <inari> I can't use command line, only when I stop app with ctrl+c and after reboot Alpine service start and Alpine don't boot completely.
2018-08-07 14:32:33 <_ikke_> What are you running?
2018-08-07 14:33:30 <inari> In other words
2018-08-07 14:33:30 <inari>  service don't run in background. My service.
2018-08-07 14:36:13 <_ikke_> Then define command_args_background
2018-08-07 14:45:54 <inari> unknown flag: --daemon when I define command_args_background="--daemon"
2018-08-07 14:46:15 <_ikke_> Use what makes sense fo your service
2018-08-07 14:51:39 <_ikke_> If it doesn't have an option to background itself set command_background=true
2018-08-07 14:54:22 <inari> It's work! XD Thanks you!
2018-08-07 14:55:18 <_ikke_> Note that I just read the page that clandmeter linked to
2018-08-07 14:55:20 <_ikke_> everything is from there
2018-08-07 14:58:18 <inari> Okay, I'm starting with Linux, so...
2018-08-07 14:58:40 <_ikke_> right
2018-08-07 15:02:06 <inari> Otherwise, thank you very much for your help. :D
2018-08-07 15:02:45 <_ikke_> success!
2018-08-07 15:42:39 <vvug> Hi. What architecture does alpine linux for x86 actually target? i386? i586? i686?
2018-08-07 15:43:25 <_ikke_> vvug: I believe at least i586, but not sure
2018-08-07 15:45:30 <vvug> _ikke_: so i586 is supported? I'd like to run it on a Vortex86DX cpu which lacks some i686 instructions
2018-08-07 15:45:53 <vvug> and even Debian dropped support for it, apparently...
2018-08-07 16:10:09 <danieli> vvug: well, if you can bootstrap it, you should be able to compile what you need if it doesn't work out of the box
2018-08-07 16:36:24 <dalias> vvug, :/
2018-08-07 16:38:01 <dalias> hmm that looks to be missing information
2018-08-07 16:38:18 <dalias> jsut a sec
2018-08-07 16:39:15 <dalias> https://git.alpinelinux.org/cgit/aports/tree/main/gcc/APKBUILD
2018-08-07 16:39:27 <dalias> looks like alpine's gcc is built to target i486 or i586 by default
2018-08-07 16:39:31 <dalias> not sure which
2018-08-07 16:40:31 <dalias> i'm not sure where CBUILD_TARGET comes from tho
2018-08-07 16:40:49 <_ikke_> from the environment / makepkg.conf?
2018-08-07 16:41:51 <dalias> looks like x86 alpine bootstrap was done for i486
2018-08-07 16:41:56 <dalias> so you should be good i think
2018-08-07 16:42:05 <dalias> not sure if there's a 486 kernel tho
2018-08-07 16:42:09 <dalias> you may have to build your own kernel
2018-08-07 16:42:56 <_ikke_> what arch is x86_64?
2018-08-07 16:43:54 <_ikke_> Is that the default in the config?
2018-08-07 16:44:14 <dalias> x86_64 is just baseline x86_64 (original amd64) afaik
2018-08-07 16:55:01 <vvug> thanks to you all
2018-08-07 17:36:40 <opal> libtorrent is out of date
2018-08-07 17:37:38 <opal> if i have time i'll see about packaging the newest version, but ive never tried this before so idk if i'll get it right
2018-08-07 17:37:42 <opal> im hoping i do
2018-08-07 17:39:33 <_ikke_> most of the time it's just a matter of abump pkgname-v1.2.3
2018-08-07 17:40:09 <_ikke_> though, for a lib, depending packages might also need to be bumped
2018-08-07 17:41:35 <opal> ok i'll watch out for that
2018-08-07 17:42:04 <opal> i have the alpine-sdk package installed so its just a matter of me figuring out the process from the wiki
2018-08-07 17:46:49 <khaled1> where to learn how to use alpine for a linux noob
2018-08-07 17:47:10 <khaled1> for use as a web server
2018-08-07 17:47:12 <opal> if you're a linux noob then you might want to learn linux
2018-08-07 17:47:12 <khaled1> in docker
2018-08-07 17:47:23 <opal> there might be guides for docker and alpine
2018-08-07 17:48:17 <khaled1> but I knew that alpine has a much smaller set of features than other linux distros . so I might be wasting time learning more stuffs when I start to learn centos for example?
2018-08-07 17:49:03 <opal> what im saying is that most of the issues you encounter on alpine are probably also things you find on other distros
2018-08-07 17:49:13 <khaled1> I see
2018-08-07 17:49:24 <opal> gentoo wiki helps a lot with stuff on alpine, since it isnt actually gentoo- or alpine-specific
2018-08-07 17:50:01 <opal> alpine wiki has the alpine-specific information obviously
2018-08-07 17:50:57 <khaled1> perfect thank you
2018-08-07 17:57:30 <fiftysix> hmm
2018-08-07 17:58:02 <fiftysix> can SSH be used like a sort of VPN, in a way that by opening an SSH tunnel you would get access to the IP range behind that hosts's network?
2018-08-07 17:59:34 <danieli> no
2018-08-07 17:59:39 <danieli> works as a socks proxy
2018-08-07 18:00:13 <fiftysix> hmm
2018-08-07 18:00:42 <fiftysix> that would probably suck for opening VNC connections to other machines
2018-08-07 18:00:46 <fiftysix> meh
2018-08-07 18:00:55 <fiftysix> so will have to install openvpn then
2018-08-07 18:01:01 <danieli> vnc should work fine
2018-08-07 18:01:08 <danieli> connect over the socks proxy
2018-08-07 18:01:19 <fiftysix> hmm
2018-08-07 18:01:21 <koollman> it would be fine for vnc
2018-08-07 18:01:34 <fiftysix> the fact that i don't feel like either is probably due to it still being far too hot
2018-08-07 18:01:40 <fiftysix> i'll revisit the problem after sunset
2018-08-07 18:01:47 <fiftysix> more skyrim
2018-08-07 18:02:02 <fiftysix> there at least it's easy to imagine cold
2018-08-07 18:02:12 <detha> if it is just for vnc, there's x11vnc - the swiss army knife of vnc
2018-08-07 18:02:42 <koollman> fiftysix: ssh -D 12345 somehost -> then configure localhost:12345 as your socks proxy in whatever application you want to use
2018-08-07 18:03:33 <fiftysix> koollman, i don't want to open VNC to the SSH host itself but to a box in the SSH host's LAN
2018-08-07 18:03:57 <koollman> fiftysix: yes. it will wokr
2018-08-07 18:03:58 <koollman> *work
2018-08-07 18:04:27 <fiftysix> fireglow, ur, but "somehost" is only one host. what about the other one?
2018-08-07 18:04:53 <koollman> they will be reached, as if your connexion came from 'somehost'
2018-08-07 18:05:30 <fiftysix> hmm
2018-08-07 18:05:31 <fiftysix> 
ACTION tries

2018-08-07 18:25:45 <dalias> fiftysix, YES it can
2018-08-07 18:25:57 <dalias> ssh can be used with tun/tap devices
2018-08-07 18:26:55 <dalias> see the -w option and Tunnel/TunnelDevice ssh config directives
2018-08-07 18:26:55 <danieli> it can, but it's a fair bit messier
2018-08-07 18:27:07 <dalias> it's very easier, much easier and cleaner than openvpn
2018-08-07 18:27:11 <dalias> very easy*
2018-08-07 18:27:53 <dalias> but you do need to know how to setup routing
2018-08-07 18:28:02 <dalias> and of course you need privileges on the other side
2018-08-07 18:28:47 <dalias> with my "userspace nat" idea (not yet implemented) you wouldn't need privilege on the other side if you're willing to accept being nat'd there
2018-08-07 18:33:00 <opal> huh, libtorrent IS up to date
2018-08-07 18:33:06 <opal> some idiot said libtorrent was at 0.15 now
2018-08-07 18:33:18 <opal> maybe it's a fork
2018-08-07 18:41:23 <thunfisch> fiftysix: you might want to take a look at sshuttle.
2018-08-07 18:41:42 <opal> ok the libtorrent deluge uses is https://www.libtorrent.org/
2018-08-07 18:41:44 <opal> ughh
2018-08-08 02:30:49 <burzos> What is the purpose of providing a checksum and gpg signature of the alpine ISO?  Is there any advantage to verifying the checksum after verifying the gpg signature?
2018-08-08 02:38:46 <duncan^> burzos: No, because the signature is a signed hash
2018-08-08 02:39:03 <duncan^> burzos: It is for people who don't have access to gpg, I suspect.
2018-08-08 02:41:50 <burzos> Makes sense.
2018-08-08 02:42:59 <burzos> Is the PGP key advertised somewhere other than the page offering the ISO downloads?
2018-08-08 02:43:27 <burzos> Presumably an attacker who compromises that site will also just advertise their ISO and PGP key. So maybe it doesn't offer any more security than HTTPS?
2018-08-08 02:53:07 <Shiz> it's not about compromising the site, but the mirrors
2018-08-08 02:53:12 <Shiz> since we don't control the mirrors
2018-08-08 02:59:06 <burzos> True. But a new user like me is going to click a download link from your site, as opposed to going directly to the mirror.
2018-08-08 02:59:45 <burzos> If the link on this page is changed to a malicious mirror then I'm screwed because I don't know where the real mirrors are. https://alpinelinux.org/downloads/
2018-08-08 07:51:57 <Intensity> Is Alpine Linux considered a dom0 PVH Xen supported distribution? The recent Xen release supports PVH on dom0, and I'm not sure if dom0 PVH support requires simply a kernel that has these features set or if there are distribution-specific requirements.
2018-08-08 12:57:57 <Mo0O> I there, is there any documentation about the new hardened kernel available in v3.8?
2018-08-08 13:01:02 <jn__> Mo0O: is there a new hardened kernel in Alpine 3.8?
2018-08-08 13:01:26 <TBB> don't think there is such a thing
2018-08-08 13:02:22 <Mo0O> jn__: "End of support for hardened kernel (unofficial Grsecurity)" from https://alpinelinux.org/posts/Alpine-3.8.0-released.html
2018-08-08 13:02:42 <TBB> yup. not even in the current repo anymore, it seems
2018-08-08 13:02:43 <Mo0O> that means grsec kernel is no longer supported, not?
2018-08-08 13:02:50 <TBB> yup
2018-08-08 13:02:51 <jn__> Mo0O: right
2018-08-08 13:03:03 <TBB> too much effort required and end of availability combined
2018-08-08 13:03:07 <TBB> however
2018-08-08 13:03:08 <jn__> it means that Alpine no longer has a separate hardened kernel
2018-08-08 13:03:24 <Mo0O> I'm on a fresh install, it doesn't looks like having a grsec kernel
2018-08-08 13:03:44 <TBB> kernel 4.18 supposedly contains some grsec'ish features
2018-08-08 13:04:38 <jn__> true, after grsec went private, upstream linux has seen significantly more hardening work
2018-08-08 13:04:44 <feuerteufel> Hi @ all
2018-08-08 13:04:57 <Mo0O> # uname -r
2018-08-08 13:05:00 <Mo0O> 4.9.93-mainline-rev1
2018-08-08 13:05:10 <Mo0O> looks like the latest stable kernel available
2018-08-08 13:05:38 <jn__> nah, that'd be 4.9.118 :)
2018-08-08 13:06:24 <feuerteufel> Intensity: All you asking for is running here, I think for almost 2 Years now ...
2018-08-08 13:07:24 <feuerteufel> Intensity: But I'm still on alpine 3.7
2018-08-08 13:08:40 <Mo0O> I'm using http://nl.alpinelinux.org/alpine/latest-stable/main and after a full update/upgrade I'm still on 4.9.93
2018-08-08 13:08:44 <Mo0O> weird
2018-08-08 13:08:54 <Mo0O> I should miss something
2018-08-08 13:10:42 <Mo0O> jn__: which repo mirror are you using to use 4.9.118?
2018-08-08 13:13:16 <jn__> that'd be the newest upstream stable release from the 4.9 series. i actually run 4.14.something because that's what the linux-vanilla package has in 3.8 and edge (see https://pkgs.alpinelinux.org/packages?name=linux-vanilla&branch=v3.8)
2018-08-08 13:14:07 <jn__> alpine 3.7 has a 4.9-series kernel there, but it's 4.9.65, so i'm somewhat confused (https://pkgs.alpinelinux.org/packages?name=linux-vanilla&branch=v3.7)
2018-08-08 13:14:55 <jn__> (also, my uname -r says -vanilla, not -mainline-rev1, which makes it more confusing)
2018-08-08 13:15:14 <Mo0O> I see
2018-08-08 13:31:47 <Intensity> feuerteufel: The Xen 4.11 announcement says that PVH dom0 support is now available as an experimental feature. And so I'm wondering how Alpine could have supported this for longer (the Xen 4.11 announcement is in the last month).
2018-08-08 13:35:42 <feuerteufel> Intensity: See here:
2018-08-08 13:35:50 <feuerteufel> https://wiki.xen.org/wiki/Xen_Project_Software_Overview
2018-08-08 13:36:18 <feuerteufel> From there: "PVHv1 has been replaced with PVHv2 in Xen 4.9, and has been made fully supported in Xen 4.10. PVH (v2) requires guests with Linux 4.11 or newer kernel. "
2018-08-08 13:39:52 <feuerteufel> Intensity: I think, PVH ist in since 4.4 or so, but I'm not sure ...
2018-08-08 13:41:30 <Intensity> feuerteufel: Ok, so as I understand it, PVH support for guests hasa been available for some time, but PVH for dom0 is new. The Xen announcement mentions that this latter experimental support is for dom0 PVH supported Linux distributions, so I wanted to know what's needed for support.
2018-08-08 13:43:59 <feuerteufel> Intensity: You mean, run the Hypervisor Run as PVH?
2018-08-08 13:55:11 <feuerteufel> Intensity: You mean somthing like that: "calling Xen via dom0=pvh" ...
2018-08-08 13:55:44 <feuerteufel> Sorry, I haven't done that ...
2018-08-08 19:29:46 <dfayruzov2> Hi everybody )
2018-08-08 19:30:33 <dfayruzov2> some directions needed: I want to build custom ISO, checked out https://wiki.alpinelinux.org/wiki/How_to_make_a_custom_ISO_image_with_mkimage
2018-08-08 19:31:13 <dfayruzov2> where can I read more about mkimg.PROFILE.sh parameters?
2018-08-08 19:32:20 <dfayruzov2> e.g. what is apks? is it added packages? what are possible kernel_addons? so on
2018-08-08 20:23:36 <kpcyrd> dfayruzov2: I've noticed the best way to go is actually by reading the source that is building those images
2018-08-08 20:24:25 <dfayruzov2> kpcyrd: thx, will try )
2018-08-08 20:26:23 <kpcyrd> the script is actually rather straightforward to read :)
2018-08-08 22:15:16 <wkoszek> Hi guys
2018-08-08 22:15:29 <maxice8> hi
2018-08-08 22:16:01 <wkoszek> https://bugs.alpinelinux.org/issues/9195#change-24788
2018-08-08 22:16:19 <wkoszek> I filled it and Andy had some good suggestions + I did some more homework afterwards.
2018-08-08 22:16:46 <wkoszek> it might be worth to re-open it, but I can't find a button for this.
2018-08-08 22:17:17 <wkoszek> Can a bug submitter re-open the issue?
2018-08-09 04:59:34 <Shmiti> Hi, not sure if it's the right place, still. Got an issue with apache2 on alpine, when I load the mod_ssl of apache, I see a lot of openssl ciphers missing, specifically aes-256-ctr. Tried to enable the AES on the ssl.conf, no luck. anyone knows anything about it? Thanks
2018-08-09 06:46:09 <Yaron-Heb> Hi guys, I have a problem running docker on Alpine 3.8 running on RPi 3B+, I've already opened a bug about it and I'm not sure what can I investigate further.
2018-08-09 19:07:32 <TBB> lol kaniini, you're freenode famous now
2018-08-09 19:10:29 <PureTryOut[m]> ha yeah, I wonder what he did to piss off the spammer
2018-08-09 19:40:04 <Shiz> what happened now
2018-08-09 19:44:41 <PureTryOut[m]> His nickname is part of a new spam message going around on Freenode
2018-08-09 19:46:13 <liwakura> 
ACTION grumbles

2018-08-09 19:46:24 <liwakura> i haven't seen that spam for quite an while now...
2018-08-09 19:47:05 <liwakura> and i dont really care, attention is not useful towards trolls
2018-08-09 19:47:19 <PureTryOut[m]> yeah this channel seems to be unharmed
2018-08-09 19:47:30 <liwakura> because it has +r
2018-08-09 21:07:16 <thunfisch> hmmm. I've got gitea@edge installed, but it's still at 1.4.2 - how can I update packages installed from edge?
2018-08-09 21:15:05 <feuerteufel> Hi @ all
2018-08-09 21:16:18 <feuerteufel> Can't update my edge installation, do I have to Upgrade first to 3.8?
2018-08-09 21:18:02 <feuerteufel> Or in other words, ist it possible to hold the installation always on edge?
2018-08-09 21:20:25 <thunfisch> Installed:                                Available:
2018-08-09 21:20:27 <thunfisch> gitea-1.4.2-r0                          = 1.4.2-r0 @edge
2018-08-09 21:20:49 <thunfisch> Somethings clearly broken here o.O packagelist on the website lists 1.4.3-r0 as latest version on edge.
2018-08-09 21:21:08 <kaniini> your repo mirror may be out of date
2018-08-09 21:21:14 <thunfisch> hm.
2018-08-09 21:21:40 <thunfisch> i'm using dl-5
2018-08-09 21:21:58 <thunfisch> and package has been released 2 weeks ago, that would be a _very_ out of date mirror
2018-08-09 21:23:34 <kaniini> it sometimes happens
2018-08-09 21:23:40 <kaniini> try apk list gitea
2018-08-09 21:23:44 <kaniini> see if 1.4.3 shows up that way
2018-08-09 21:23:44 <thunfisch> oh wow, it really was out of date
2018-08-09 21:23:48 <thunfisch> switched to dl-cdn
2018-08-09 21:24:04 <thunfisch> now i'm getting lots of updates.
2018-08-09 21:24:46 <thunfisch> thanks for the tip! brb reboot.
2018-08-09 21:53:44 <danieli_> kaniini: https://mirrors.alpinelinux.org/#mirror7
2018-08-09 21:53:47 <danieli_> appears it /is/ outdated
2018-08-10 06:38:56 <muninn> Hey everyone, I am working on some projects with the alpine docker image.
2018-08-10 06:39:10 <muninn> They require me to run binaries that I've written with SUID permissions
2018-08-10 06:39:22 <muninn> I've set the SUID bit, set SUID in the binary, but I still can't get it to work
2018-08-10 06:39:24 <muninn> tips?
2018-08-10 06:41:51 <muninn> I have a deadline of the 12th, so a quick answer would be nice :) I'll buy you coffww ;)
2018-08-10 06:42:01 <muninn> s/coffww/coffee/
2018-08-10 06:42:03 <muninn> sorry I'm tired
2018-08-10 07:49:06 <muhaha> Can anyone help? I am trying to build sscep https://pastebin.com/CDhviw0R..  -> gcc: error: ../openssl/libcrypto.a: No such file or directory
2018-08-10 08:58:12 <_ikke_> muhaha: Are you missing a dependency?
2018-08-10 08:58:32 <_ikke_> libressl-dev
2018-08-10 08:58:36 <_ikke_> https://pkgs.alpinelinux.org/contents?file=libcrypto.*&path=&name=&branch=edge
2018-08-10 08:59:26 <muhaha> I am using openssl-dev
2018-08-10 08:59:57 <muhaha> I should probably use openssl1.0-dev I guess
2018-08-10 09:03:11 <clandmeter> you need specifically openssl? we are stil using libressl, so libressl-dev for headers.
2018-08-10 09:05:16 <clandmeter> muhaha, you probably have to adjust the location of the libcrypto.a
2018-08-10 09:07:13 <muhaha> I can not compile it with libressl, seems that openssl can pass the build further
2018-08-10 09:09:22 <muhaha> (23/25) Installing libcrypto1.0 (1.0.2o-r2) .. so I should do something like ln -s libcrypto1.0.a libcrypto.a , right?
2018-08-10 14:03:46 <aGaTHoS> when I restart pc the sound does not work because alsamixer main master is muted like any other sound card outputs, i have alsa service at start but this dont restore my settings it seems, what can i do?
2018-08-10 14:25:27 <TBB> ahh.... always fun to return from holidays only to find out something has changed and as the result nothing quite works :)
2018-08-10 14:26:27 <Shiz> aGaTHoS: what does your /etc/conf.d/alsa say?
2018-08-10 14:26:38 <Shiz> it should say RESTORE_ON_START=yes and SAVE_ON_STOP=yes
2018-08-10 15:27:51 <aGaTHoS> Shiz: says that
2018-08-10 15:29:15 <aGaTHoS> the only thing i can think is i allways reboot dirty... gonna stop the service and restart to force save state
2018-08-10 15:30:32 <aGaTHoS> ok prblem identified
2018-08-10 15:31:58 <aGaTHoS> https://pastebin.com/WtX1uceW
2018-08-10 15:32:24 <aGaTHoS> dont know how to solve
2018-08-10 19:03:30 <jnt> Is there no zfs-virt package for the linux-virt kernel modules?
2018-08-10 19:45:55 <jnt> nvm, I just copied the APKBUILDs, changed -vanilla to -virt and built them myself.
2018-08-11 14:15:30 <Tetsumaki> Hello all, docker-compose coming soon in community please ? and i have checked the APKBUILD and the support of *-completion (bash/fish/zsh) is not present
2018-08-11 15:24:54 <_ikke_> Tetsumaki: did you try the one in testing?
2018-08-11 15:32:13 <Tetsumaki> _ikke_: I would have liked but my production server should not be in testing
2018-08-11 15:32:54 <_ikke_> right, not in production, just in a testing environment
2018-08-11 15:33:56 <Tetsumaki> Other problem : I can not edit a wiki page : This action has been automatically identified as harmful, and therefore disallowed. If you believe your action was constructive, please inform an administrator of what you were trying to do. A brief description of the abuse rule which your action matched is: New users are not allowed to add ip addresses and phone numbers
2018-08-11 15:35:36 <_ikke_> Tetsumaki: How old is your account?
2018-08-11 15:36:00 <Tetsumaki> I do not have a test machine but if i have to contribute to git, I'll do it
2018-08-11 15:36:14 <Tetsumaki> _ikke_: 1 hour ;)
2018-08-11 15:36:30 <_ikke_> Right, your have to have a bit of patience then
2018-08-11 15:36:44 <_ikke_> we've been dealing with a lot of spam, so new accounts are limited in what they can do
2018-08-11 15:37:23 <Tetsumaki> How long ?
2018-08-11 15:37:46 <_ikke_> couple of hours (I don't know the exact amount)
2018-08-11 15:38:08 <Tetsumaki> OK thks, I keep my change for later
2018-08-11 18:19:08 <xnite> After installing on raspberry pi the system just resets again after reboot.
2018-08-11 18:19:48 <_ikke_> xnite: right, it runs on ram
2018-08-11 18:19:58 <_ikke_> xnite: use lbu to persist changes
2018-08-11 18:20:08 <xnite> _ikke_: thank you :)
2018-08-11 18:43:29 <danieli> wow
2018-08-11 18:43:43 <danieli> I just came across a CTF where the host runs alpine 3.6.2
2018-08-11 18:51:28 <_ikke_> Nicce
2018-08-11 18:51:51 <_ikke_> Is alpinelinux any part of the challenge, or is it just circumstantial?
2018-08-11 18:57:28 <danieli> i'm still navigating it, haven't completed it yet
2018-08-11 18:57:33 <danieli> ~halfway to root
2018-08-11 19:36:27 <Shiz> nice :)
2018-08-11 19:43:44 <danieli> it's because it was in a container, far from the first time i've seen that
2018-08-11 20:02:35 <dfayruzov> hi everybody
2018-08-11 20:05:47 <_ikke_> o/
2018-08-11 21:32:43 <dfayruzov> Guys I need some hel. I did custom ISO based on netboot profile and experimenting with PXE boot. I booted other VM with this setup, did setup-alpine and created apkovl with lbu ci. Now I'm trying to boot it with applied apkovl, but it fails with error:
2018-08-11 21:33:37 <dfayruzov> https://pasteboard.co/HyJv2Ef.png
2018-08-11 21:44:19 <fiftysix> hi
2018-08-11 21:45:06 <fiftysix> what's the recommended way in alpine of running something every 5 minutes? should i create /etc/periodic/5min/ ?
2018-08-11 21:49:09 <liwakura> fiftysix: regular cronjob also does it
2018-08-11 21:49:54 <liwakura> the periodic/ is because there are many things with daily, hourly and so on interval
2018-08-11 21:50:04 <liwakura> so packages can drop-in their scripts
2018-08-11 21:50:48 <fiftysix> hmm ... i do have a script that i'm wanting to run. so a folder to put it in would be a good fit.
2018-08-11 21:55:33 <thunfisch> if it's just the one script, just add it directly to your crontab.
2018-08-11 21:59:44 <fiftysix> hmm okay, i guess i can just store it in /etc/periodical/ directly
2018-08-11 22:03:02 <fiftysix> bye!
2018-08-11 23:38:58 <stwa> is it a known problem that alpine linux mirrors differ? for example http://dl-5.alpinelinux.org/alpine/v3.8/main/x86_64/ has linux-vanilla-4.14.48-r0.apk from 2018-06-06 while http://dl-cdn.alpinelinux.org/alpine/v3.8/main/x86_64/ has linux-vanilla-4.14.52-r0.apk from 2018-06-26?
2018-08-11 23:39:58 <stwa> i ran into problems like this a couple of time on different mirrors
2018-08-12 00:46:58 <koollman> looks like a mirror with broken sync
2018-08-12 05:31:31 <thunfisch> mirrors.alpinelinux.org
2018-08-12 06:39:17 <_ikke_> yeah, dl-5 seems to be a bit behind
2018-08-12 09:40:42 <stwa> currently, dl-5.alpinelinux.org, mirror.yandex.ru and mirrors.xjtu.edu.cn are behind
2018-08-12 09:42:36 <stwa> and a bit seems to ~2 months
2018-08-12 10:51:45 <clandmeter> stwa: 2m?
2018-08-12 10:56:37 <clandmeter> weird
2018-08-12 10:56:55 <clandmeter> i guess yandex does not sync from offical rsync mirror
2018-08-12 11:01:53 <clandmeter> stwa: i emailed the sysop
2018-08-12 11:08:37 <_ikke_> stwa: xjtu is offline afaik
2018-08-12 11:09:21 <_ikke_> https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=878139 (found by danieli)
2018-08-12 11:39:09 <ipguiinvb> Does somebody know something about how to configure mariadb right? I'm trying to install nextcloud on 3.8 which worked fine until the point where i start the web installation. It tells me "General error: 1 Can't create/write to file '/var/tmp/#sql_577_0.MAI' (Errcode: 13 "Permission denied") ". MariaDB is installed and running and i double checked the credentials.
2018-08-12 11:44:22 <Tetsumaki> i think is not a problem with mariadb
2018-08-12 11:45:22 <Tetsumaki> mariadb is only database and write in /var/lib/mysql and /var/log
2018-08-12 11:46:46 <Tetsumaki> the problem must come from your method used to install nextcloud (script auto-install (bad) ?)
2018-08-12 11:47:57 <_ikke_> Tetsumaki: mariadb / mysql can also create temporary dbs in a temp directory
2018-08-12 11:49:14 <Tetsumaki> hum, ok _ikke_
2018-08-12 11:50:25 <ipguiinvb> i used the packages in the repos
2018-08-12 12:01:37 <ipguiinvb> after rebooting, mariadb does not even start anymore. "Can't create/write to file '/var/tmp/ibXXXXXX' (Errcode: 13 "Permission denied")" Now /var/tmp/ belongs to root, so should i make the directory writable to other users?
2018-08-12 12:04:06 <Tetsumaki> /var/tmp : drwxrwxrwt root root
2018-08-12 12:05:46 <Tetsumaki> but it's curious, idXXX is stocked in /var/lib/mysql by defaut (cmake ... -DMYSQL_DATADIR=/var/lib/mysql ... )
2018-08-12 12:06:59 <ipguiinvb> i uncommented the "tmpdir  = /tmp/" line in /etc/mysql/my.cnf and now it works.
2018-08-12 12:08:01 <ipguiinvb> Tetsumaki: for me it is drwxr-xr-x    root     root
2018-08-12 12:08:25 <Tetsumaki> ipguiinvb: in container ?
2018-08-12 12:08:27 <Tetsumaki> docker
2018-08-12 12:08:42 <ipguiinvb> i believe lxc
2018-08-12 12:08:55 <ipguiinvb> it is running in a proxmox environment
2018-08-12 12:09:40 <Tetsumaki> i think comment tmpdir (defaut is /var/tmp) (cmake -DTMPDIR=/var/tmp)
2018-08-12 12:09:49 <Tetsumaki> and fix the permission
2018-08-12 12:10:16 <Tetsumaki> chmod 1777 /var/tmp/
2018-08-12 12:10:47 <Tetsumaki> your content /var/tmp/ is empty ?
2018-08-12 12:11:09 <ipguiinvb> no, there is a nginx directory belonging to nginx user+group
2018-08-12 12:11:31 <Tetsumaki> ok
2018-08-12 12:11:42 <ipguiinvb> What is the difference between /var/tmp/ and /tmp ?
2018-08-12 12:13:15 <Tetsumaki> - /tmp is realy temporary and clean after restart
2018-08-12 12:13:30 <Tetsumaki> - /var/tmp is not necessary temporary
2018-08-12 12:13:46 <ipguiinvb> i changed the permissions as you said and it still works :)
2018-08-12 12:14:18 <Tetsumaki> usualy /tmp is in RAM (but not in container or lxc)
2018-08-12 12:15:44 <Tetsumaki> good ipguiinvb :)
2018-08-12 12:16:49 <Tetsumaki> If think your content of /tmp is not clean now
2018-08-12 12:17:05 <Tetsumaki> remove the content if is not necessary, be careful
2018-08-12 12:22:28 <ipguiinvb> thx
2018-08-12 12:37:09 <ipguiinvb> When i want to configure php7 i use /etc/php7/php.ini right? I uncommented the lines for opcaching but nextcloud still shows a warning, that opcaching is not configured properly.
2018-08-12 12:46:43 <Tetsumaki> Yes, is this file
2018-08-12 12:47:29 <Tetsumaki> i do not use nextcloud but opcache has a lot of optimization (eq for environnement prod or dev)
2018-08-12 12:47:30 <ipguiinvb> ok, i forgot to install php7-opcache :D
2018-08-12 12:47:46 <Tetsumaki> ok ;)
2018-08-12 12:48:22 <Tetsumaki> I advise you to read tutorials. Many parameteres important
2018-08-12 12:48:38 <Tetsumaki> opcache.validate_timestamps / opcache.revalidate_path / opcache.enable_file_override and others
2018-08-12 12:49:06 <Tetsumaki> By default it works correctly for a dev environment
2018-08-12 13:02:04 <ipguiinvb> thanks!
2018-08-12 13:02:48 <ipguiinvb> So if i disable opcache.validate_timestamps i have to restart php if i change the nextcloud config, right?
2018-08-12 13:04:45 <stwa> clandmeter: thank you! if xjtu is down, maybe it should be removed from https://mirrors.alpinelinux.org/mirrors.txt
2018-08-12 13:16:38 <_ikke_> stwa: it will be up eventually
2018-08-12 13:16:48 <_ikke_> but we might want to remove it in the mean time
2018-08-12 13:17:57 <stwa> _ikke_: ah ok, thanks
2018-08-12 13:19:44 <stwa> i have to admit i don't really understand mirrors.alpinelinux.org: it says dl-5.alpinelinux.org is behind by 3d. but when i check the linux-vanilla package, it's from 06-Jun-2018 15:12, while on dl-cdn.alpinelinux.org it's from 26-Jun-2018 07:45, how comes it says 3d?
2018-08-12 13:19:56 <stwa> (talking about the v3.8 repo)
2018-08-12 13:27:11 <Tetsumaki> ipguiinvb: in a fixed environment and if the project is correctly developed, yes
2018-08-12 13:27:26 <Tetsumaki> but reload is better restart generaly
2018-08-12 13:27:40 <Tetsumaki> SIGHUP
2018-08-12 13:27:49 <ipguiinvb> reloading also invalidates cache?
2018-08-12 13:28:15 <Tetsumaki> yes
2018-08-12 14:05:01 <clandmeter> stwa, i need to check the script
2018-08-12 18:21:55 <otlabs> hi ppl!
2018-08-12 18:23:35 <otlabs> I see that sshd shows red dos while shutdown, is it an expected behavior?
2018-08-12 18:23:42 <otlabs> red dot
2018-08-12 18:45:11 <clandmeter> otlabs: depends if you turn on colors in openrc
2018-08-12 18:45:33 <clandmeter> actually im not even sure about colors, never focused on it.
2018-08-12 18:45:42 <clandmeter> i know you can turn them off
2018-08-12 18:58:56 <clandmeter> stwa: i think the logic to calculate days/weeks/months is broken.
2018-08-12 18:59:35 <clandmeter> i need to look closer at it. not really in the mood for debugging my own crap :)
2018-08-12 19:03:46 <feuerteufel> Hi @ all
2018-08-12 19:05:58 <feuerteufel> Is there a Version off Alpine edge 3.9 allready available?
2018-08-12 19:06:21 <clandmeter> as in?
2018-08-12 19:06:29 <clandmeter> an iso?
2018-08-12 19:06:59 <feuerteufel> Or am I doing something wrong during upgrading may edge installation?
2018-08-12 19:07:16 <clandmeter> you can install 3.8 and upgrade to edge.
2018-08-12 19:07:50 <feuerteufel> Oh I'm sorry, I try to upgrade my existing edge ...
2018-08-12 19:08:52 <feuerteufel> clandmeter: So the way is to go first over 3.8 and then go to edge?
2018-08-12 19:12:13 <clandmeter> yes
2018-08-12 19:12:23 <clandmeter> we do not provide edge releases
2018-08-12 19:12:28 <clandmeter> its on our todo
2018-08-12 19:12:53 <_ikke_> edge is basically running release
2018-08-12 19:13:48 <feuerteufel> So there ist no way to hold a installation allways on Edge?
2018-08-12 19:14:29 <feuerteufel> Or am I able set this up someware?
2018-08-12 19:14:32 <clandmeter> change your repositories to edge, upgrade -a and you will always be on edge.
2018-08-12 19:15:42 <otlabs> clandmeter: I mean all other servicies shutdown gracefully with green dot on the left, and sshd is the only one which returns error while shutdown
2018-08-12 19:17:32 <feuerteufel> clandmeter: That's what I have done, but it stoped to upgrade since 3.8 ist stable
2018-08-12 19:19:56 <feuerteufel> clandmeter: Thats what ist in my "repositories"
2018-08-12 19:20:02 <feuerteufel> http://dl-5.alpinelinux.org/alpine/edge/main
2018-08-12 19:20:02 <feuerteufel> http://dl-5.alpinelinux.org/alpine/edge/community
2018-08-12 19:20:02 <feuerteufel> http://dl-5.alpinelinux.org/alpine/edge/testing
2018-08-12 19:20:22 <clandmeter> feuerteufel: use dl-cdn.alpinelinux.org
2018-08-12 19:20:30 <clandmeter> dl-5 is out of date
2018-08-12 19:20:39 <clandmeter> something is wrong and has been reported.
2018-08-12 19:21:29 <feuerteufel> Oh, I'll try thank's
2018-08-12 19:21:33 <clandmeter> dl-cdn is the prefered mirror for apk repositories
2018-08-12 19:22:03 <clandmeter> should also be the fastest in most cases.
2018-08-12 19:27:13 <otlabs> One more question. I have switched to edge repos, but cat /etc/alpine-release still reports 3.8.0. According to wiki it should be reporting something different.
2018-08-12 19:27:25 <stwa> clandmeter: no problem, maybe i find time during the week... i normally use dl-cdn but the problems appeared when i ran setup-apkrepos -f
2018-08-12 19:27:31 <feuerteufel> It always comes up dl-5 as fasted, so that's way I alway use this Server
2018-08-12 19:27:35 <stwa> is it recommended to use setup-apkrepos -1 instead?
2018-08-12 19:28:04 <feuerteufel> Do I have to change all my installations?
2018-08-12 19:31:09 <feuerteufel> otlabs: That's normal, I learned when I set the System up ... Something like Base is "3.8.0"
2018-08-12 19:31:46 <otlabs> clandmeter: Error I get during shutdown is: (red asterisk) * sshd: caught SIGTERM , aborting  [ ok ]
2018-08-12 19:32:23 <otlabs> feuerteufel: ok, thanks. The the wiki might be updated to reflect that, that was the source of my doubts
2018-08-12 19:41:28 <feuerteufel> clandmeter: It look's like it worked Thank's
2018-08-12 19:41:47 <feuerteufel> But one mor question:
2018-08-12 19:43:11 <feuerteufel> Ther ist still the Kernel "4.9.73-0-virthardened" installed, is this the latesed on?
2018-08-12 19:54:13 <feuerteufel> Oh I think, I found it:
2018-08-12 19:56:08 <feuerteufel> I have to change to "linux-virt-4.14.61-r0", that look's like that is the vanilla version, right?
2018-08-12 20:17:52 <feuerteufel> I'll try that tomorrow ...
2018-08-12 20:18:03 <feuerteufel> cu @ all
2018-08-12 21:40:38 <dfayruzov> hi )
2018-08-12 21:48:34 <dfayruzov> Guys, I have something that I quite don't understand. I'm PXE booting alpine and applying apkovl. But during boot it can't find apks.
2018-08-12 21:48:42 <dfayruzov> A couple of screenshots:
2018-08-12 21:49:40 <dfayruzov> https://pasteboard.co/HyT2iB0.png
2018-08-12 21:50:24 <Shiz> did you add alpine_repo= to the kernel cmdline?
2018-08-12 21:50:31 <Shiz> or is /etc/apk/repositories in your apkovl
2018-08-12 21:51:08 <dfayruzov> https://pastebin.com/28EsJ1eV
2018-08-12 21:51:33 <dfayruzov> Hi Shiz, yes, I did
2018-08-12 22:00:34 <dfayruzov> I think there is a issue with alpine_dev (https://pastebin.com/4j41psct)
2018-08-12 22:01:40 <dfayruzov> but I checked that alpine_dev=nfs:192.168.1.1:/mnt/md0/nfs/alpine is mounatble and consist of
2018-08-12 22:02:24 <dfayruzov> https://pastebin.com/GLghz4Am
2018-08-12 22:14:29 <dfayruzov> is there any way to check that alpine_dev is mounted during boot?
2018-08-12 22:18:02 <Shiz> hmm
2018-08-12 22:18:49 <Shiz> an issue i see is that apk is not updating its caches
2018-08-12 22:19:32 <dfayruzov> yep
2018-08-12 22:21:25 <Shiz> what does /etc/apk/repositories in the rescue shell say?
2018-08-12 22:22:16 <dfayruzov> its empty
2018-08-12 22:22:35 <Shiz> what about /sysroot/etc/apk/repositories ?
2018-08-12 22:22:44 <dfayruzov> let me check
2018-08-12 22:23:35 <Shiz> hmm, i think i found the issue
2018-08-12 22:23:44 <dfayruzov> ?
2018-08-12 22:24:27 <dfayruzov> sysroot doesnt have /etc/apk/repositories, only arch and world
2018-08-12 22:25:17 <Shiz> can you modify the /init within your initramfs for me to test something?
2018-08-12 22:25:22 <Shiz> (it's a shell script)
2018-08-12 22:25:28 <dfayruzov> absolutely
2018-08-12 22:26:05 <Shiz> line 621 should be 'find_boot_repositories > $repofile'
2018-08-12 22:26:17 <Shiz> move that to right above line 531
2018-08-12 22:26:27 <Shiz> so right above '# load apkovl or set up a minimal system'
2018-08-12 22:27:10 <Shiz> then try rebooting with that modified initramfs
2018-08-12 22:27:25 <Shiz> it seems it's not doing repo detection early enough
2018-08-12 22:30:07 <dfayruzov> Shiz, I'm sorry ) can you help me find init script? I'm experiencing difficulties finding it.
2018-08-12 22:30:47 <dfayruzov> I assume I should take usb booted alpine and recreate initramfs with modified script
2018-08-12 22:30:54 <Shiz> don't need to for this test
2018-08-12 22:31:01 <Shiz> you can just unpack http://192.168.1.1/microserver/initramfs, modify it, and repack it again
2018-08-12 22:31:02 <dfayruzov> I used mkinitfs to create it
2018-08-12 22:31:15 <dfayruzov> o! thanks )
2018-08-12 22:31:47 <Shiz> it's a cpio archive, so you can use   cpio -i < initramfs to extract it
2018-08-12 22:33:20 <Shiz> and     find . -not -name initramfs | sort | cpio -o -H newc -F initramfs-new   to repack
2018-08-12 22:33:26 <dfayruzov> cpio: unsupported cpio format, use newc or crc
2018-08-12 22:33:33 <Shiz> right
2018-08-12 22:33:38 <Shiz> cpio -i -H newc < initramfs
2018-08-12 22:34:01 <Shiz> oh actually, we gzip it now, my bad
2018-08-12 22:34:10 <dfayruzov> :)
2018-08-12 22:34:19 <Shiz> gzip -c < initramfs | cpio -i
2018-08-12 22:34:37 <Shiz> and to repack,   find . -not -name initramfs | sort | cpio -o -H newc | gzip -9 > initramfs-new
2018-08-12 22:34:54 <Shiz> gzip -dc*
2018-08-12 22:34:59 <Shiz> instead of just -c
2018-08-12 22:35:26 <dfayruzov> it worked )
2018-08-12 22:36:11 <Shiz> now you can edit the file named 'init' that created according to what I said above :p
2018-08-12 22:36:23 <dfayruzov> already there )
2018-08-12 22:41:43 <opal> any desktop users on edge branch? last update seemed to mess up how my terminals render bold text: both st and urxvt are affected so i believe it's some terminfo or similar update
2018-08-12 22:41:54 <opal> just wondering if anyone else experienced anything similar
2018-08-12 22:45:27 <opal> font was also messed up too, i'll see if that's related to the bold issue
2018-08-12 22:51:16 <dfayruzov> Shiz: I went one step further but still fail: https://pasteboard.co/HyTr4db.png
2018-08-12 22:52:50 <Shiz> i see what's going on
2018-08-12 22:52:53 <dfayruzov> Shiz: both mentioned locations missing repositores file
2018-08-12 22:53:18 <Shiz> the apkovl needs to end in .apkovl.tar.gz
2018-08-12 22:53:21 <Shiz> not just 'apkovl'
2018-08-12 22:55:09 <Shiz> so change the filename to something like   overlay.apkovl.tar.gz
2018-08-12 22:57:51 <dfayruzov> yes, it worked! thank you very much! )
2018-08-12 22:59:27 <dfayruzov> that's it for today
2018-08-12 22:59:36 <Shiz> :)
2018-08-12 22:59:41 <Shiz> you can use the unmodiifed initramfs with that too
2018-08-12 22:59:57 <dfayruzov> I already went back to unmodified
2018-08-12 22:59:57 <Shiz> little background info: it uses the filename to figure out how to unpack it, so when it got no extension it was very confused
2018-08-12 23:00:08 <Shiz> and tried to feed it to openssl with the 'extension' in a last-ditch effort (since you can encrypt them too)
2018-08-12 23:00:18 <Shiz> that's where the cipher error came from
2018-08-12 23:01:07 <dfayruzov> thanks again ) not it's time to sleep, it's 2 am here )
2018-08-12 23:01:12 <Shiz> :)
2018-08-12 23:01:15 <Shiz> 'night
2018-08-12 23:01:22 <dfayruzov> good noght
2018-08-12 23:01:25 <Shiz> np
2018-08-12 23:01:26 <dfayruzov> *night )
2018-08-13 02:10:44 <otlabs> Is it correct that I get following error during shutdown: (red asterisk) * sshd: caught SIGTERM , aborting  [ ok ]
2018-08-13 03:19:25 <danieli> otlabs: that is correct
2018-08-13 03:19:37 <danieli> the init process (probably openrc) is sending SIGTERM to sshd
2018-08-13 03:19:50 <danieli> iirc it first sends SIGTERM, and then SIGKILL if it refuses
2018-08-13 03:20:52 <otlabs> danieli: oh, thank you. I thought it was some kind of error as all other servicies report no error and shudowwn with green asterisk
2018-08-13 03:24:01 <danieli> it /should/ be shut down via the init script, not sure why that isn't happening
2018-08-13 03:27:26 <otlabs> ha! so I have a resonable doubts ;-)
2018-08-13 03:27:55 <otlabs> thank you guys, time to go, se you l8er!
2018-08-13 03:28:03 <otlabs> bb
2018-08-13 07:25:46 <AlecTaylor> hi
2018-08-13 08:08:12 <opal> font change didnt work
2018-08-13 08:11:06 <opal> i mean obviously it changed my font but i still do not see bold text
2018-08-13 10:24:36 <|cos|> what are the allowed format for email addresses to subscribe to alpine-announce with? is there a better place to ask?
2018-08-13 10:25:45 <|cos|> subscribing alpine-announce@alpinelinux.org.my-domain does not yield in any response from the list server
2018-08-13 10:26:09 <|cos|> subscribing xunilenipla@subdomain.my-domain works
2018-08-13 10:26:23 <|cos|> emailing alpine-announce@alpinelinux.org.my-domain from another server works
2018-08-13 10:28:05 <_ikke_> The mainainer of the lists lives in EST\
2018-08-13 10:41:51 <_ikke_> So you might want to ask it later on the day
2018-08-13 11:06:06 <vkrishn> any idea if dtrace is comming to AL ?
2018-08-13 11:06:28 <|cos|> _ikke_: thanks!
2018-08-13 11:07:06 <vkrishn> its been GPL`d for a while 'https://gnu.wildebeest.org/blog/mjw/2018/02/14/dtrace-for-linux-oracle-does-the-right-thing/'
2018-08-13 11:48:21 <mitigate> openssl1.1 broke apk-tools by making EVP_MD_CTX etc. opaque. welcome to malloc
2018-08-13 11:51:18 <TBB> porting dtrace could be interesting
2018-08-13 15:01:41 <qzo> Hello, this may sound like a really strange noob question, but for the life of me I cannot figure it out. I have a Go compiled binary that I have copied over to an Alpine linux container running on LXC. When I attempt to run the binary using ./$binaryname, it just says "./$binaryname: not found"
2018-08-13 15:01:46 <qzo> even though it is clearly right there
2018-08-13 15:02:21 <qzo> I can run file on the binary and it says " ELF 64-bit LSB executable, x86-64, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked, interpreter /lib64/ld-linux-x86-64.so.2, for GNU/Linux 3.2.0, BuildID[sha1]=3cf"
2018-08-13 15:02:27 <jn__> is it dynamically linked to the libc and did you compile it on a glibc-based system?
2018-08-13 15:02:52 <qzo> jn__: oh shit, alpine is MUSL isn't it
2018-08-13 15:02:53 <mvf> /lib64/ld-linux-x86-64.so.2 probably doesn't exist
2018-08-13 15:03:28 <jn__> qzo: yep!
2018-08-13 15:03:34 <qzo> I feel retarded
2018-08-13 15:03:36 <jn__> you might want to try installing gcompat
2018-08-13 15:03:40 <qzo> I was messing with that for half an hour
2018-08-13 15:04:07 <qzo> jn__: installing gcompat allowed me to run the binary
2018-08-13 16:34:37 <dfayruzov> hi everybody )
2018-08-13 16:34:57 <dfayruzov> can somebody help me with some theory?
2018-08-13 16:35:45 <dfayruzov> I have diskless PXE installation with 2 target packages: ZFS and docker.
2018-08-13 16:36:06 <dfayruzov> They are added to /etc/apk/world
2018-08-13 16:36:38 <dfayruzov> But to get everything working I need some final steps, for ZFS they are:
2018-08-13 16:37:27 <dfayruzov> modprobe zfs; zpool import raid - what's "alpine way" to issue them?
2018-08-13 16:40:04 <dfayruzov> for docker they will be something like "docker create --name deluge --net=host -p 6881:6881 -e PUID=1000 -e PGID=1000   -v /mnt/raid/:/downloads  -v /mnt/raid/settings/deluge:/config linuxserver/deluge"
2018-08-13 16:41:07 <dfayruzov> Any thoughts will be much appreciated.
2018-08-13 16:46:03 <leonardus> hello
2018-08-13 16:46:09 <leonardus> is alpine linux appropriate for desktop use?
2018-08-13 16:46:34 <_ikke_> leonardus: depends on your usecase, but there are several people who use alpine on the desktop
2018-08-13 16:46:54 <leonardus> i remember last time i tried alpine i had a hard time getting non-esr firefox to work, is that still the case?
2018-08-13 16:47:52 <_ikke_> things might have improved, but I'm not sure
2018-08-13 17:23:50 <cschneid_> I have a python script that downloads a prebuilt binary and execs it - I need to tell the difference between a libc and musl (alpine 99%  of the time) based distro. Any pointers on detecting that?
2018-08-13 17:24:50 <cschneid_> The `platform` module doesn't seem to have any distinguishing calls: https://gist.github.com/cschneid/3df43943e89b350a793078764736f1eb
2018-08-13 17:35:36 <programmerq> cschneid_▸ tinkering a bit, it looks like there is: platform.libc_ver()
2018-08-13 17:35:52 <programmerq> on an alpine system, it returns empty strings but on a glibc system it returns glibc and a version
2018-08-13 17:36:08 <programmerq> so that might be enough since you aren't trying to do anything other than glibc vs libmusl
2018-08-13 17:36:36 <cschneid_> programmerq: on my alpine docker that gives me back a tuple: `('', '')`
2018-08-13 17:37:17 <programmerq> yup, those are the same empty strings I'm seeing
2018-08-13 17:37:33 <cschneid_> programmerq: oh, missed the second line. hah
2018-08-13 17:37:44 <cschneid_> yeah - on osx it also gives empty strings, let me see on a libc system
2018-08-13 17:41:36 <cschneid_> programmerq: thank you for looking - that looks like it may work
2018-08-13 17:43:00 <programmerq> cool. now I want to open an issue against python to add support for libmusl for that
2018-08-13 17:45:39 <cschneid_> programmerq: a more reliable thing may be to shell out - a coworker had the idea to just ask `ldd` what it thought.
2018-08-13 17:45:51 <cschneid_> `ldd --version` => `musl libc (x86_64) `
2018-08-13 17:46:02 <programmerq> yeah, that'd do the trick too
2018-08-13 17:46:24 <cschneid_> I can't think of a system that wouldn't have ldd - right?
2018-08-13 17:55:37 <nindustries> Hi, when is postfix 3.3.1 appearing? http://www.postfix.org/announcements/postfix-3.3.1.html
2018-08-13 17:55:46 <nindustries> postfix start-fg does not currnetly work in Docker and needs 3.3.1
2018-08-13 18:29:06 <vifino> Hey guys. Since the update of libvirt{,-qemu} from 4.5 to 4.6, the QEMU driver went missing.
2018-08-13 18:29:44 <vifino> ie virsh complains about no driver being available for qemu.
2018-08-13 18:31:43 <vifino> There's no /usr/lib/libvirt/connection-driver/libvirt_driver_qemu.so, don't think that's intended.
2018-08-13 18:32:20 <vifino> Don't have the old apk so it's hard to test my theory whether that's the problem or not.
2018-08-13 18:32:54 <clandmeter> did you install libvirt-qemu?
2018-08-13 18:33:14 <vifino> Yes.
2018-08-13 18:33:25 <vifino> apk info -L does not list it either.
2018-08-13 18:34:40 <clandmeter> right
2018-08-13 18:34:45 <clandmeter> looks like something has changed
2018-08-13 18:34:49 <clandmeter> but there is nothning in the changelog
2018-08-13 18:38:34 <vifino> Sounds like a bug and not a failure on my part, awesome.
2018-08-13 18:43:49 <clandmeter> vifino: im checking it locally one min
2018-08-13 18:44:52 <vifino> Thanks, take your time. :)
2018-08-13 19:11:32 <muninn> Hey anyone know how to get suid to work on an alpine docker image?  I have some user made binaries that need the suid bit.
2018-08-13 19:11:45 <muninn> If not, good recommendations for something similar to alpine but with the ability?
2018-08-13 19:14:44 <programmerq> what is the problem you're running into?
2018-08-13 19:16:25 <muninn> I set the suid mode in the code, the suid bit in bash, and it just will not change my EUID when I execute it
2018-08-13 19:17:08 <_ikke_> muninn: suid does not work for scripts, you know that, right?
2018-08-13 19:17:41 <muninn> yes, not a script, compiled C code
2018-08-13 19:18:14 <_ikke_> what version of alpine (what kernel)?
2018-08-13 19:18:47 <muninn> I have it pulling from alpine:latest on Docker.....if you give me a sec I'll look up what version
2018-08-13 19:19:19 <_ikke_> 3.8 or egr
2018-08-13 19:19:22 <_ikke_> edgr
2018-08-13 19:19:22 <muninn> Linux brigante20 4.17.13.a-1-hardened #1 SMP PREEMPT Wed Aug 8 12:58:14 CEST 2018 x86_64 Linux
2018-08-13 19:19:32 <_ikke_> so a hardened kernel
2018-08-13 19:19:35 <_ikke_> that might be the issue
2018-08-13 19:19:38 <muninn> apparently lol
2018-08-13 19:19:52 <muninn> is there an alpine image that doesn't have a hardened kernel (for docker)
2018-08-13 19:20:12 <_ikke_> muninn: a docker container does not run a kernel
2018-08-13 19:20:19 <_ikke_> it's just a single process isolated from the rest
2018-08-13 19:20:28 <_ikke_> it's the host that runs the hardened kernel
2018-08-13 19:20:30 <muninn> oh shit, thats right....sorry I'm super tired lol
2018-08-13 19:20:54 <muninn> damn, I've been shooting myself in the foot this entire time.  *sigh*
2018-08-13 19:21:26 <_ikke_> note that since 3.8, alpine doesn't ship a hardened kernel anymore
2018-08-13 19:21:28 <muninn> let me try fixing that and see if that does it.
2018-08-13 19:22:02 <muninn> It might be a while until you hear from me, I'll have to go set up a VM
2018-08-13 19:22:09 <_ikke_> It
2018-08-13 19:22:13 <_ikke_> It's sleeping time for me
2018-08-13 19:25:43 <dfayruzov> Guys. what I'm doing wrong? I created a couple of scripts in /etc/local.d, made them executable, saved with lbu ci, rebooted - they are exist but didn't run.
2018-08-13 19:25:59 <dfayruzov> I thought they will be executed on boot
2018-08-13 19:26:51 <dfayruzov> ls
2018-08-13 19:27:05 <dfayruzov> oops, wrong console )
2018-08-13 19:32:28 <dfayruzov> got it, problem that local service was not started, rc-update add local default && rc-service local start && lbu ci did the trick
2018-08-13 19:34:06 <dfayruzov> ok, it did half the trick
2018-08-13 19:35:26 <dfayruzov> error:  /etc/init.d/nfs[2656]: ERROR: cannot start nfs as rpcbind would not start
2018-08-13 19:40:18 <dfayruzov> fixed that one too )
2018-08-13 19:40:35 <dfayruzov> is it ok that i'm talking to myself?
2018-08-13 19:42:06 <Shiz> np
2018-08-13 19:42:30 <dfayruzov> Hi Shiz ) glad to see you ) I'm moving further
2018-08-13 21:44:00 <|cos|> reposting my question from earlier today, which was met with information on the list maintainer living in/by american timezones
2018-08-13 21:44:04 <|cos|> 12:24 < |cos|> what are the allowed format for email addresses to subscribe to alpine-announce with? is there a better place to ask?
2018-08-13 21:44:07 <|cos|> 12:25 < |cos|> subscribing alpine-announce@alpinelinux.org.my-domain does not yield in any response from the list server
2018-08-13 21:44:10 <|cos|> 12:26 < |cos|> subscribing xunilenipla@subdomain.my-domain works
2018-08-13 21:44:12 <|cos|> 12:26 < |cos|> emailing alpine-announce@alpinelinux.org.my-domain from another server works
2018-08-13 21:44:53 <|cos|> i also emailed that question to alpine-announce-owner, with log file snippets included
2018-08-13 21:47:24 <|cos|> it's a shame that one needs to use an oddly looking addresses to subscribe to the list
2018-08-13 23:23:35 <kpcyrd> _ikke_: is there a reason why alpine doesn't just ship linux-hardened from anthraxx like archlinux does?
2018-08-13 23:58:32 <TheLaughingMan> Hello. I installed Alpine on a laptop using a bootable USB stick.  I think I messed it up because it still thinks it's a tmpfs (lbu stuff everywhere, double and triple versions of the same file like password, password-, and password.apk.something)
2018-08-13 23:58:47 <TheLaughingMan> I've tried reading the wiki but am lost at this point. Any help welcome. Thanks.
2018-08-14 00:01:00 <TheLaughingMan> oh and I had another question about lbu before I forget. (This is on the bootable USB STICK, not the laptop for reference)  Do I need to do `mount -oremount,rw /media/usb` before doing lbu ci ?
2018-08-14 00:01:21 <TheLaughingMan> sorry for the questions back to back but I didn't want to forget to ask the second one. Thank you again.
2018-08-14 00:09:54 <TheLaughingMan> Oh sorry again, I did remove the symlink from /etc/apk/apkcache to /media/usb  but now that I think of it that shouldn't matter because 1) it's a hdd install and 2) it doesn't exist at boot, only when I plug a usb key in so idk tbh :/
2018-08-14 00:20:48 <essence> is there anyone here who was able to run raspistill/raspivid/picamera on Raspberry Pi (on Alpine or any other musl-based distro)? I've been trying it the whole day, but couldn't make it work :/
2018-08-14 01:42:54 <TheLaughingMan> is there a more active place to ask my question so it's answered?
2018-08-14 01:43:02 <TheLaughingMan> or maybe just another time?
2018-08-14 01:43:47 <TheLaughingMan> the wiki is all but uselsess
2018-08-14 05:09:50 <nindustries> Hi, any idea when postfix 3.3.1 will get merged?
2018-08-14 05:54:26 <Syndrom> Hello, any hits for performing zero touch install?
2018-08-14 05:55:51 <nindustries> Syndrom: cloud-init
2018-08-14 06:06:11 <nindustries> I see no postfix 3.3.1 in testing
2018-08-14 06:27:34 <Syndrom> thanks nindustries
2018-08-14 06:27:51 <nindustries> no problem, good luck!
2018-08-14 08:59:09 <nindustries> Hi, any idea when postfix 3.3.1 will get merged?
2018-08-14 09:08:10 <clandmeter> vifino, libvirt should be fixed.
2018-08-14 09:37:17 <TBB> hm hm. something has changed... I was able to run X apps within an LXC container before I left for my holidays... can't seem to be able to do it now
2018-08-14 09:50:41 <TBB> and I don't know whether it is changes in the lxc images or the Alpine host that have changed. basically all necessary bind mounts have been added to the containers to offer X access via the unix socket, but software keeps asking for access to 127.0.0.1:6000
2018-08-14 11:46:36 <vifino> clandmeter: Yep, that fixed it. Many thanks! I really appreciate how quick the issue got fixed. :)
2018-08-14 12:58:56 <markand> hello
2018-08-14 12:59:07 <markand> clicking on build log ends in 404 on packages info
2018-08-14 12:59:12 <markand> e.g. https://pkgs.alpinelinux.org/package/edge/main/x86_64/libstdc++
2018-08-14 13:00:05 <clandmeter> markand, its not always available.
2018-08-14 13:01:16 <clandmeter> markand, sometimes they are cleaned up.
2018-08-14 13:01:50 <markand> okay
2018-08-14 13:02:01 <markand> I'm considering switching from raspbian to alpine
2018-08-14 13:02:20 <markand> ah, kodi is not available for arm though :(
2018-08-14 13:22:46 <markand> is reddit r/alpinelinux official?
2018-08-14 13:23:04 <ncopa> not that i know
2018-08-14 13:23:33 <liwakura> dont think so
2018-08-14 13:23:39 <liwakura> i dont recognize the mod
2018-08-14 15:21:58 <npx> hey guys, is there a command to just select the fastest available mirrors and update /etc/apk/repositories?
2018-08-14 15:22:51 <CcxWrk> npx: Will not give you bandwith, but http://apenwarr.ca/netselect/ can be useful.
2018-08-14 15:23:11 <CcxWrk> I use it in gentoo, not sure if it's packaged here.
2018-08-14 15:23:41 <CcxWrk> Oops, 404 it seems. Anyway, netselect is the name, it does parallel ping.
2018-08-14 15:23:55 <npx> cool, thanks!
2018-08-14 15:24:03 <clandmeter> npx, i think there is some logic in the setup-repos script
2018-08-14 15:24:15 <clandmeter> but dl-cdn should always provide a local mirror.
2018-08-14 15:29:01 <npx> hahah netselect gets a nod for readme of the year imho
2018-08-14 16:30:56 <ollieparanoid[m]> hi folks! xfce4 (xfwm) is kind of broken with xorg-1.20.0 from edge. latest relese 1.20.1 fixes it, could someone please merge this? https://github.com/alpinelinux/aports/pull/4983 (kaniini, clandmeter, ncopa, jirutka)
2018-08-14 16:31:42 <ollieparanoid[m]> (also I can't write to #alpine-devel anymore, do I need to apply for rights due to fighting spam or something?)
2018-08-14 16:32:11 <_ikke_> can you try again?
2018-08-14 16:32:28 <_ikke_> You need to be identified to chanserv
2018-08-14 16:32:41 <_ikke_> can you try one more time?
2018-08-14 16:34:57 <ollieparanoid[m]> _ikke_: thanks, now it works!
2018-08-14 16:35:29 <_ikke_> Not sure why, but somehow the matrix bridge does not allow you to speak, setting and removing -v helps then (someone talked about needing a power of 1)
2018-08-14 16:38:00 <ollieparanoid[m]> okay, weird stuff
2018-08-14 16:39:48 <PureTryOut[m]> I did. Setting +v seems to give the required 1 power
2018-08-14 16:40:24 <_ikke_> right, but removing it again does not remove it
2018-08-14 16:40:35 <jn__> what's a power of 1? is that some kind of IRC mode?
2018-08-14 16:40:42 <_ikke_> no, it's a matrix thing
2018-08-14 16:40:52 <jn__> aah
2018-08-14 17:09:12 <loosh> how do i stop alpine from putting 'You can setup the system with the command: setup-alpine' in my damn motd
2018-08-14 17:18:11 <loosh> doing a full search on disk for the setup string returns nothing
2018-08-14 17:18:17 <loosh> why is this so hidden?
2018-08-14 17:22:46 <jn__> loosh: silly question perhaps, but did you check /etc/motd?
2018-08-14 17:29:18 <loosh> i remove the message and it keeps coming back
2018-08-14 17:29:25 <loosh> there is something prepending the setup message to my motds
2018-08-14 17:29:33 <loosh> nothing in /etc/periodic
2018-08-14 17:30:26 <liwakura> loosh: im investigating
2018-08-14 17:30:33 <loosh> quite annoying
2018-08-14 17:30:37 <loosh> ty
2018-08-14 17:30:49 <_ikke_> did you also check /etc/issue?
2018-08-14 17:31:17 <loosh> thats not where the setup message is so i'm not sure how that is in play here
2018-08-14 17:31:49 <_ikke_> just to be sure :-)
2018-08-14 17:32:13 <_ikke_> When does it reappear in the file?
2018-08-14 17:32:16 <loosh> also the fact this seems like a bit of an unknown is deeply concerning
2018-08-14 17:32:39 <loosh> i don't really know, i don't log into these terribly often except 1 of them but most interaction is scripted so i don't see it anyway
2018-08-14 17:32:47 <loosh> i remove it and i usually notice in a day or two
2018-08-14 17:33:15 <loosh> it being the motd is less important than there being some automated process that i'm not aware of running on the machine
2018-08-14 17:33:43 <_ikke_> right
2018-08-14 17:34:08 <loosh> `ag -R --all-text --silent "You can setup the system with the command" /` revealed nothing except the actual motd itself and all my alpine container's motds
2018-08-14 17:34:48 <loosh> so i'm not sure where this string is being read from, to be prepended to the file
2018-08-14 17:35:54 <liwakura> loosh: for me, its static text in /etc/motd
2018-08-14 17:36:02 <liwakura> and as soon as i remove it, its gone
2018-08-14 17:36:03 <loosh> yeah, it's static there too for me. then i remove it. and it comes back
2018-08-14 17:36:10 <loosh> i know how /etc/motd works, but something is interacting with it
2018-08-14 17:36:20 <jn__> loosh: when or how fast does it come back?
2018-08-14 17:36:25 <loosh> i answered that above
2018-08-14 17:36:29 <jn__> oh, sorry
2018-08-14 17:36:31 <loosh> np
2018-08-14 17:37:08 <liwakura> loosh: its part of alpine-baselayout
2018-08-14 17:37:15 <liwakura> the update could restore it
2018-08-14 17:37:16 <jn__> ok, "usually notice in a day or two", but that's rather vague
2018-08-14 17:37:37 <liwakura> making it an empty file should help with that (instead of deleting it)
2018-08-14 17:38:06 <loosh> where is this located for the baselayout package?
2018-08-14 17:38:56 <liwakura> i dont understand your question
2018-08-14 17:39:03 <liwakura> its in the alpine-baselayout package
2018-08-14 17:39:06 <liwakura> at etc/motd
2018-08-14 17:39:23 <loosh> are you saying when the alpine-baselayout package is updated via the repo it overwrites my motd?
2018-08-14 17:39:33 <TBB> it doesn't
2018-08-14 17:39:44 <loosh> then i don't understand 17:37:15 < liwakura> the update could restore it
2018-08-14 17:39:50 <loosh> restoring it?
2018-08-14 17:39:52 <TBB> it couldn't
2018-08-14 17:39:58 <loosh> then i don't understand anything then
2018-08-14 17:40:10 <TBB> changed confs don't get overwritten, unchanged ones do
2018-08-14 17:40:18 <liwakura> TBB: its not an changed conf
2018-08-14 17:40:19 <loosh> i've already changed my motd previous
2018-08-14 17:40:20 <liwakura> its an missing file
2018-08-14 17:40:22 <loosh> it's prepending the setup message
2018-08-14 17:40:27 <loosh> to MY motd
2018-08-14 17:43:31 <liwakura> i've been modifying my motd on some server for months now
2018-08-14 17:43:34 <liwakura> without interference
2018-08-14 17:44:40 <jn__> loosh: does the old version come back after reboots or at notably different intervals?
2018-08-14 17:47:18 <TBB> liwakura: when alpine-baselayout is packaged, it's cat'd to $pkgdir/etc/motd. that makes it a file in the package. now if that package is installed, the file should be registered into the installed packages db. now, I don't know for sure how apk reacts if you remove the file completely since it can't do checksum comparisons, but if it can checksum it then it's considered a modified config file and
2018-08-14 17:47:25 <TBB> doesn't get overwritten, correct?
2018-08-14 17:48:07 <TBB> oop, last bus stop, gotta get off ->
2018-08-14 17:50:03 <liwakura> if its an modified config file, then i guess yes
2018-08-14 17:50:08 <liwakura> but i assumed he deleted the motd
2018-08-14 17:51:22 <liwakura> apk audit doesn't show an changed motd as changed config file
2018-08-14 17:51:54 <liwakura> ah, if its deleted
2018-08-14 17:53:30 <liwakura> the prepending thing still doesn't match up
2018-08-14 17:53:44 <liwakura> loosh: whats your setup?
2018-08-14 17:53:54 <liwakura> diskless or sys install?
2018-08-14 17:54:44 <loosh> sorry i had to walk away for a few
2018-08-14 17:55:16 <loosh> liwakura › sys install
2018-08-14 17:55:20 <loosh> and i didn't delete anything.
2018-08-14 17:55:22 <loosh> i set my own motd.
2018-08-14 17:55:26 <loosh> it PREPENDS the message
2018-08-14 17:55:29 <loosh> to MY motd
2018-08-14 17:55:36 <liwakura> this seems rather illogical..
2018-08-14 17:55:40 <loosh> agreed!
2018-08-14 17:56:12 <loosh> it's alpine-standard
2018-08-14 17:56:16 <loosh> fwiw
2018-08-14 17:56:21 <loosh> 3.8
2018-08-14 17:56:48 <liwakura> but it only prepends once?
2018-08-14 17:56:59 <loosh> yup
2018-08-14 17:57:07 <liwakura> and its in the /etc/motd file?
2018-08-14 17:57:27 <loosh> yup
2018-08-14 17:57:33 <loosh> i think it's happening on reboot actually, at least on this machine
2018-08-14 17:57:38 <loosh> digging into timestamps
2018-08-14 17:57:48 <loosh> i'll have to find one i can reboot
2018-08-14 18:03:15 <loosh> https://hb.zj.is/#FYQwzg9gdgBCAuMBG54EtozbAfgKABIYBjBGAegFN5jyBbCeAEzzwCVK7snKAnALjwBNCAFcSIWGGqiADjHgALSjDABPMPE4wA7miULlJCHTqSm/VTNkBaEABtZ2Sq0mNlvGL07c+gpN4gANaGaGBwUExYyIEhamJAA=
2018-08-14 18:03:19 <loosh> this is what it's doing btw
2018-08-14 18:03:37 <loosh> just as example
2018-08-14 18:04:36 <_ikke_> Doesn't seem standard alpine
2018-08-14 18:05:33 <_ikke_> loosh: This is the Alpine MOTD
2018-08-14 18:05:35 <_ikke_> https://git.alpinelinux.org/cgit/aports/tree/main/alpine-baselayout/APKBUILD#n137
2018-08-14 18:05:46 <loosh> yeah ik
2018-08-14 18:06:20 <_ikke_> but?
2018-08-14 18:06:30 <liwakura> loosh: do other people have access to the system?
2018-08-14 18:06:57 <loosh> no
2018-08-14 18:07:21 <_ikke_> any automated configuration management system?
2018-08-14 18:07:29 <loosh> not that touches the motd
2018-08-14 18:07:32 <liwakura> even if its named "bastion" ?
2018-08-14 18:07:40 <loosh> i am the only user.
2018-08-14 18:11:44 <loosh> i'm just going to chattr +i and hope whatever it is just crashes :-)
2018-08-15 08:48:26 <TBB> so... for the time being I'm just trying every once in a while to package x2goclient, but meanwhile I also try to run it in an lxc container
2018-08-15 08:49:08 <TBB> took me ages to get it to even start in a centos container, turned out lxc is really anal about slashes at the end of paths you mount to the container. so I got it to start...
2018-08-15 08:49:50 <TBB> ... but now running x2goclient in that container with the appropriate magic to talk to the Alpine host Xorg, the client speaks to me in something that mostly resembles written Thai
2018-08-15 08:50:18 <kahiru> 
ACTION chuckles

2018-08-15 08:51:07 <TBB> the container uses en_US.UTF-8 as its locale, but to be honest I don't even know what Alpine uses now
2018-08-15 08:51:21 <TBB> I was under the impression it too is set up to use UTF-8
2018-08-15 08:56:45 <liwakura> afaik the LANG setting is mostly ignored on alpine
2018-08-15 08:57:00 <liwakura> but some programs still check it to switch to unicode mode
2018-08-15 10:40:27 <namedkitten> what kernel version does alpine use on latest stable and edge?
2018-08-15 10:41:08 <_ikke_> https://pkgs.alpinelinux.org/packages?name=linux-vanilla&branch=edge&arch=x86_64
2018-08-15 10:41:14 <_ikke_> https://pkgs.alpinelinux.org/packages?name=linux-vanilla&branch=v3.8&arch=x86_64
2018-08-15 10:42:38 <namedkitten> ugh still too old
2018-08-15 10:42:57 <_ikke_> What version do you need?
2018-08-15 10:43:36 <namedkitten> greater than that iirc
2018-08-15 10:44:03 <namedkitten> 4.15.x
2018-08-15 10:44:44 <namedkitten> guess ill probably copy over arch linux's kernel package then
2018-08-15 10:44:51 <namedkitten> or make a custom repo
2018-08-15 10:45:02 <_ikke_> right
2018-08-15 10:45:05 <namedkitten> is there a edge tarball?
2018-08-15 10:45:18 <_ikke_> containing what?
2018-08-15 10:45:42 <namedkitten> the mini root filesystem tarball but with latest edge packages
2018-08-15 10:46:14 <_ikke_> There are no images created for edge as of yet
2018-08-15 10:46:21 <namedkitten> ah alright
2018-08-15 10:46:30 <namedkitten> i guess ill just use https://wiki.alpinelinux.org/wiki/Installing_Alpine_Linux_in_a_chroot using edge as repo
2018-08-15 10:46:40 <_ikke_> should work
2018-08-15 10:47:10 <namedkitten> is there a list of packages which the vanilla/extended images contain
2018-08-15 10:47:45 <_ikke_> https://git.alpinelinux.org/cgit/alpine-iso/tree/
2018-08-15 10:48:02 <namedkitten> thanks!
2018-08-15 10:48:30 <namedkitten> does alpine work fine with UEFI?
2018-08-15 10:48:36 <_ikke_> Should work afaik
2018-08-15 10:48:52 <_ikke_> You need a different bootload though
2018-08-15 10:49:01 <_ikke_> bootloader*
2018-08-15 10:49:10 <namedkitten> gummiboot/systemd-boot?
2018-08-15 10:49:16 <_ikke_> or grub
2018-08-15 10:51:01 <namedkitten> has electron been built for alpine yet?
2018-08-15 10:51:20 <_ikke_> Not sure
2018-08-15 10:51:41 <_ikke_> No packages matching electron
2018-08-15 10:52:03 <namedkitten> would be nice if it could, otherise i'll have to add a wrapper script that runs it in a chroot
2018-08-15 10:52:30 <_ikke_> No Atom either
2018-08-15 10:52:54 <namedkitten> yay
2018-08-15 10:52:54 <_ikke_> https://bugs.alpinelinux.org/issues/8634
2018-08-15 10:53:14 <_ikke_> https://bugs.alpinelinux.org/issues/6588
2018-08-15 10:53:16 <namedkitten> prefer vscode, uses way less memory and is faster from experiance
2018-08-15 10:53:40 <namedkitten> ill try debugging it and see if i can build it
2018-08-15 10:53:41 <_ikke_> someone tried to package it, but it did not run apparently
2018-08-15 10:53:48 <_ikke_> check that last issue
2018-08-15 10:53:55 <namedkitten> segfault
2018-08-15 10:53:58 <_ikke_> Yea
2018-08-15 10:54:05 <_ikke_> though, they didn't provide the APKBUILD
2018-08-15 10:54:21 <namedkitten> a APKBUILD and gdb backtrace would of been nice
2018-08-15 10:54:45 <namedkitten> or at least a compiled package i can debug :3
2018-08-15 10:56:40 <namedkitten> would F2FS be good for a USB?
2018-08-15 11:09:47 <namedkitten> i just remembered that the initramfs that i use for arch linux is actually a fully functional alpine linux system
2018-08-15 11:10:03 <namedkitten> with a replaced init
2018-08-15 11:13:07 <liwakura> hm, i think you could as well use the alpine initramfs with other distros
2018-08-15 11:16:15 <namedkitten> i know but having a fully featured alpine system inside your initramfs is neat
2018-08-15 11:16:44 <liwakura> fun fact: just look what happens if you boot an alpine system without the root= kernel parameter
2018-08-15 11:16:57 <liwakura> because that essentially whats shipped with the installer CD's
2018-08-15 11:17:04 <liwakura> you end up with an in-RAM live system
2018-08-15 11:17:14 <namedkitten> cool :3
2018-08-15 11:17:28 <namedkitten> is that built into the kernel or?
2018-08-15 11:17:40 <liwakura> into the initramfs
2018-08-15 11:18:16 <namedkitten> cool!
2018-08-15 11:20:05 <namedkitten> wew alpine has i3wm-gaps in repo
2018-08-15 11:20:20 <namedkitten> no polybar tho yet rip
2018-08-15 11:20:41 <liwakura> that surprises me
2018-08-15 11:21:20 <liwakura> ah, in testing
2018-08-15 11:21:42 <TBB> yeh, i3 components have been in testing for quite a while now
2018-08-15 11:22:01 <TBB> mostly, I guess, because some of them wouldn't work right with a grsec kernel or something
2018-08-15 11:22:43 <TBB> oh, that weird text problem I wrote about earlier ...
2018-08-15 11:22:48 <liwakura> my i3 bar usued to choke on sysfs being unreadable on hardened
2018-08-15 11:22:58 <TBB> ... it actually helps to install FONTS in your container
2018-08-15 11:23:27 <TBB> yeah, that was what I noticed as well, it worked partly but couldn't show all the information it wanted to
2018-08-15 11:27:26 <namedkitten> my dotfiles script installs all fonts i use
2018-08-15 11:28:09 <namedkitten> and im not gonna use grsec kernel, gonna use arch's kernel probs
2018-08-15 11:29:18 <liwakura> integrating the kernel modules of arch into alpine might be a bit more difficult
2018-08-15 11:29:33 <liwakura> like, into the initramfs i mean
2018-08-15 11:30:45 <namedkitten> ima use arch's initramfs probably as well
2018-08-15 11:31:12 <namedkitten> i usually use arch's kernel and initramfs on most systems like gentoo, kali, etc
2018-08-15 11:34:49 <TBB> I should try that sometime, namely, if I can get to boot Ubuntu using Alpine's kernel and initramfs
2018-08-15 11:36:12 <liwakura> TBB: you need to transfer /lib/modules/$(uname -r) for that to work fine
2018-08-15 11:36:34 <liwakura> or use an static kernel (thats what i did)
2018-08-15 11:38:09 <TBB> I've been dreaming of this one boot stick I could use to boot all my systems, but making one turns out to be quite an interesting challenge
2018-08-15 11:38:21 <namedkitten> for using arch's kernel on other OSes i just needed to add initramfs configs and make sure it uses /lib/modules and not /usr/lib because arch combines them all for some reasons
2018-08-15 11:38:24 <liwakura> i had such an similar setup
2018-08-15 11:38:37 <TBB> especially if all of the systems to boot have their root encrypted
2018-08-15 11:38:41 <liwakura> static kernel + static initramfs, and then multiple distros inside of an LUKS / LVM container
2018-08-15 11:39:21 <liwakura> home was separate LVM partition and shared across all systems
2018-08-15 11:39:23 <TBB> I was even thinking of using such a boot env just for chainloading the actual kernels of those systems, but chainloading and encryption presents a problem
2018-08-15 11:39:43 <namedkitten> i used to have a usb which booted into a initramfs, scanned disks and allowed you to boot it via a nice terminal UI  which even supported encrypted rootfses
2018-08-15 11:40:39 <liwakura> in the end i went back to unencrypted vanilla alpine, because being able to reinstall it quickly can be quite comfortable
2018-08-15 11:40:41 <TBB> namely, if your first kernel opens the encrypted partition and then kexecs the next, actual, kernel, can the actual kernel access the opened encrypted partition
2018-08-15 11:41:07 <liwakura> TBB: no, except if it has an cryptkey in its initramfs to open it again
2018-08-15 11:41:44 <TBB> yup, and that gets difficult to maintain, the more distros the more effort it takes
2018-08-15 11:42:16 <liwakura> i found that most distros are quite fine with being booted with an external linux kernel
2018-08-15 11:42:24 <namedkitten> what generates alpine's initramfs?
2018-08-15 11:42:30 <liwakura> namedkitten: mkinitfs
2018-08-15 11:42:55 <namedkitten> ah okay
2018-08-15 11:43:28 <namedkitten> *makes sure to add all kernel modules that lsmod shows into the initramfs*
2018-08-15 11:43:31 <TBB> about transferring the modules, that sounds like a bit of a challenge as well
2018-08-15 11:43:51 <liwakura> namedkitten: that is normally not necessary
2018-08-15 11:44:04 <liwakura> TBB: you could also bindmount that directory or sth else
2018-08-15 11:44:14 <liwakura> otherwise, the guest distro wont be able to use modprobe
2018-08-15 11:45:05 <TBB> bind mount is out of the question for my intended purpose; I need to be able to detach the USB stick after boot. but a simple copy should be enough really
2018-08-15 11:45:50 <namedkitten> liwakura: i prefer having everything preloaded because some distro's udev packages dont have correct rules for my hardware sometimes and its also nice having keyboard support
2018-08-15 11:45:59 <TBB> I've got this fascinating little USB stick that not only contains an SD card but a smartcard as well, so it would be ideal for keeping all my disk crypto on that
2018-08-15 11:47:05 <namedkitten> does alpine's initramfs allow UUIDs for partitions?
2018-08-15 11:47:17 <TBB> yup
2018-08-15 11:47:21 <namedkitten> good
2018-08-15 11:47:29 <kahiru> TBB: what manufacturer does that?
2018-08-15 11:47:37 <TBB> hold on, I'll check
2018-08-15 11:48:16 <TBB> ACS; they manufacture smartcard readers, among other things
2018-08-15 11:48:49 <TBB> https://www.acs.com.hk/en/products/141/acr101i-simicro-ccid/ - that's the product
2018-08-15 11:49:26 <TBB> I do have something even more advanced in mind though, but I'm not sure whether the product I was thinking of is still manufactured
2018-08-15 11:49:51 <TBB> https://inversepath.com/usbarmory - this one
2018-08-15 11:50:19 <namedkitten> will a uncompressed initramfs boot faster?
2018-08-15 11:50:46 <liwakura> the decompression delay is neglegible compared to the hardware hotplug times
2018-08-15 11:51:03 <namedkitten> alright
2018-08-15 11:51:59 <TBB> yeh, I imagine there are some hardware combos where that might be a factor, but most often it really isn't
2018-08-15 11:52:03 <namedkitten> since dbus failed to generate a UUID when installing, what command generates it?
2018-08-15 11:52:05 <namedkitten> alright
2018-08-15 11:52:16 <liwakura> namedkitten: different UUID
2018-08-15 11:52:29 <liwakura> dbus generates the machine uuid, the disk uuid is generated when formatting
2018-08-15 11:52:44 <liwakura> i guess you are looking for »blkid©
2018-08-15 11:52:50 <liwakura> * »blkid«
2018-08-15 11:54:33 <namedkitten> nah
2018-08-15 11:54:45 <namedkitten> Failed to generate UUID: Could not open /dev/urandom: No such file or directory
2018-08-15 11:54:45 <namedkitten> ERROR: dbus-1.10.24-r1.post-install: script exited with error 1
2018-08-15 11:56:00 <liwakura> »Could not open /dev/urandom: No such file or directory«
2018-08-15 11:56:21 <liwakura> not sure what the question here is
2018-08-15 11:57:16 <liwakura> but it looks like you dont have an devfs mounted
2018-08-15 11:57:28 <namedkitten> it failed to generate the dbus machine-i
2018-08-15 11:57:29 <namedkitten> it failed to generate the dbus machine-id
2018-08-15 11:57:40 <liwakura> yeah, because there is no /dev/urandom
2018-08-15 11:57:51 <namedkitten> it failed cause when i was installing it with apk-static i didnt have /dev files
2018-08-15 11:57:57 <namedkitten> now i am chrooted with them
2018-08-15 11:58:06 <namedkitten> need to rerun that post script
2018-08-15 11:58:44 <liwakura> there is an /usr/bin/dbus-uuidgen thing that looks like it might do what you want
2018-08-15 11:59:03 <namedkitten> ah alright
2018-08-15 11:59:43 <liwakura> ah yes, the post-install does »dbus-uuidgen --ensure«, nothing more
2018-08-15 12:00:16 <namedkitten> ==> initramfs: creating /boot/initramfs-ARCH
2018-08-15 12:00:16 <namedkitten> bash-4.4# mkinitfs
2018-08-15 12:00:16 <namedkitten> modinfo: ERROR: missing module or filename.
2018-08-15 12:00:17 <namedkitten> huh
2018-08-15 12:01:17 <liwakura> mkinitfs [kernelversion]
2018-08-15 12:01:46 <liwakura> but that requires /lib/modules/$kernelversion to exist
2018-08-15 12:02:09 <liwakura> to fetch kernel modules from
2018-08-15 12:02:27 <namedkitten> it has that hm
2018-08-15 12:02:35 <liwakura> per default it uses the output of uname -r
2018-08-15 12:02:49 <liwakura> which is also where the ARCH string comes from
2018-08-15 12:03:04 <liwakura> if you are in an chroot, you want to put the kernel version that is installed in the chroot there
2018-08-15 12:03:37 <namedkitten> ohhh
2018-08-15 12:03:42 <liwakura> uname -r is the info from the currently running kernel, which is the hosts one
2018-08-15 12:04:11 <namedkitten> works thanks
2018-08-15 12:04:42 <namedkitten> even though im generating for the same kernel im running :3
2018-08-15 12:05:10 <liwakura> mh
2018-08-15 12:15:22 <namedkitten> does alpine have gpasswd or any way to add groups to a user?
2018-08-15 12:15:49 <kahiru> adduser (or useradd? can't remember which is the right one) can do that
2018-08-15 12:16:11 <namedkitten> 2 in 1 tool cool
2018-08-15 12:17:48 <namedkitten> alpine doesnt have rofi either?
2018-08-15 12:17:50 <bikeshedder> I'm having some troubles with the texlive-luatex package. It seams to be missing the "lualatex" binary. Searching the package contents also yields no result: https://pkgs.alpinelinux.org/contents?file=lualatex&path=&name=&branch=edge -- anyone knows how I can use lualatex on alpine?
2018-08-15 12:19:36 <liwakura> namedkitten: has nobody packaged yet, i guess
2018-08-15 12:21:04 <namedkitten> ri
2018-08-15 12:21:07 <namedkitten> !!p
2018-08-15 12:21:36 <namedkitten> how do you install all packages that a package requires to build?
2018-08-15 12:23:10 <_ikke_> namedkitten: make sure the packages are part of makedepends in the APKBUILD, and then run abuild -r
2018-08-15 12:23:10 <kahiru> apkbuild has a flag for that
2018-08-15 12:25:09 <namedkitten> ah ok
2018-08-15 12:27:50 <namedkitten> is there a fonts package that installs most commonly used fonts?
2018-08-15 12:30:38 <_ikke_> cannot find it at first glance
2018-08-15 12:37:05 <TBB> addgroup user group
2018-08-15 12:37:12 <TBB> I'm late, I know
2018-08-15 13:01:19 <namedkitten> thaks :3
2018-08-15 13:02:40 <namedkitten> thanks :3
2018-08-15 13:44:03 <vkrishn> anyone tried https://github.com/linuxboot/linuxboot + https://github.com/osresearch/heads with AL kernel ?
2018-08-15 15:22:44 <qtoni> Aye aye! I've got Alpine running on a RasPi 3 and can't get wireless to work: "wlan0 Interface doesn't support scanning" is the error I get with "iwlist wlan0 scan" (as root).
2018-08-15 15:22:54 <qtoni> Is there some way to fix this?
2018-08-15 15:35:26 <liwakura> I guess you mean "How to find out whats the Problem?"
2018-08-15 15:35:34 <liwakura> What wifi chip is it? The internal one?
2018-08-15 15:37:14 <liwakura> Then it would be interesting to know what driver is responsible for it
2018-08-15 15:37:25 <liwakura> Dont have an RPi 3 here for testing..
2018-08-15 15:39:06 <qtoni> liwakura: It's a broadcom chip, and in /lib/firmware there *is* a folder called "brcm" which contains some *.bin and *.hcd files.
2018-08-15 15:39:08 <eyJhb> liwakura: testing what?
2018-08-15 15:39:18 <liwakura> to reproduce the issue
2018-08-15 15:39:30 <liwakura> which kernel version? »uname -r«
2018-08-15 15:40:00 <qtoni> I tried to install the package linux-firmware-brcm, but it failed because /lib/firmware links to /.modloop/modules/firmware, which is a read-only filesystem
2018-08-15 15:40:13 <qtoni> uname -r : 4.14.52-0-rpi2
2018-08-15 15:41:27 <qtoni> ifconfig -a lists wlan0 as UP.
2018-08-15 15:45:10 <eyJhb> Does alpinelinux sys/types.h not include __u32 ?
2018-08-15 15:46:26 <liwakura> eyJhb: thats part of musl, you might as well ask in #musl and get better answers
2018-08-15 15:46:48 <liwakura> qtoni: im currently setting sth up, give me some minutes
2018-08-15 15:49:20 <eyJhb> liwakura: I'll try and see what happens. Just seems weird to me
2018-08-15 15:53:55 <liwakura> qtoni: good news!
2018-08-15 15:54:08 <liwakura> i can reproduce your problem
2018-08-15 15:55:48 <qtoni> Well!
2018-08-15 16:02:18 <liwakura> qtoni: also, it suddenly started working and i cannot explain how
2018-08-15 16:02:25 <liwakura> tried to drive it with wpa_supplicant instead
2018-08-15 16:05:56 <qtoni> liwakura: I hadn't configured wpa_supplicant, I could give it a try
2018-08-15 16:07:43 <liwakura> i think you might be better off with an external wifi card
2018-08-15 16:09:37 <liwakura> like, the firmware is supplied, quite recent kernel
2018-08-15 16:11:40 <TBB> external wifi on linux is one terrible thing to deal with; you've gotta know for sure what chipset the card or usb thingie has inside, and you just cannot know that
2018-08-15 16:13:42 <liwakura> but usually you can look with lsusb
2018-08-15 16:13:57 <liwakura> and many dongles are supported with default firmware blobs
2018-08-15 16:15:49 <liwakura> qtoni: somehow it worked for me with wpa_supplicant
2018-08-15 16:16:01 <liwakura> but wpa_cli claims its disconnected... weird situation
2018-08-15 16:20:08 <qtoni> liwakura: quite weird indeed. I wrote /etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant.conf and rc-service started wpa_supplicant. What would you do now?
2018-08-15 16:21:12 <liwakura> qtoni: add dhcpcd, also start it, if the wifi connects, dhcpcd will catch on the interface and will do dhcp
2018-08-15 16:24:38 <qtoni> liwakura: Ok, is /etc/network/interfaces still respected then?
2018-08-15 16:25:13 <liwakura> dhcpcd is an alternate mechanism to /etc/network/interfaces, but they dont interfere with each other
2018-08-15 16:25:33 <liwakura> you could also do the dhcp via interfaces, but i dont know from my mind how
2018-08-15 16:29:04 <aeyxa> Is there a way to tell which packages a package needs after build and which it only needs to build with?
2018-08-15 16:29:40 <aeyxa> other than deleting packages and seeing if it still works, lol
2018-08-15 16:30:13 <qtoni> liwakura: Thanks for your help, I'll try what I can!
2018-08-15 16:31:32 <liwakura> aeyxa: objdump -a -x /usr/bin/foobar|grep NEEDED shows the dependencies that are necessary for both
2018-08-15 16:31:53 <aeyxa> oh okay cool
2018-08-15 16:32:01 <liwakura> other from that, its mostly guessing, trying or researching the code
2018-08-15 16:32:18 <liwakura> some projects have it documented in some sort of README or INSTALL file
2018-08-15 16:32:47 <aeyxa> thanks let me try
2018-08-15 18:33:45 <silverwillow> hey all. Wondering if there's a fresh mono (> 5.10) in the pipeline...
2018-08-15 20:51:34 <jnt> I can't install innoextract or libtorrent-rasterbar packages, because they depend on so:libboost_system-mt.so.1.66.0, but boost-system was upgraded to boost-system-1.67.0, which means I can't install it, guess it needs a rebuild?
2018-08-15 21:25:32 <clandmeter> jnt, looks like some pkgs need rebuild yes
2018-08-15 21:57:40 <jnt> clandmeter: I am wondering, how is that done? I have seen some bump pkgrel to trigger rebuild commits, is that the only way? wouldn't it be better to always rebuild everything that depends on something that got changed?
2018-08-15 21:59:51 <clandmeter> its the task of the developer
2018-08-15 22:00:27 <clandmeter> not sure its possible to properly automate it.
2018-08-15 22:31:14 <DiogoGomes[m]> Hey everyone.
2018-08-15 22:31:15 <DiogoGomes[m]> (a noob question) If Alpine runs on memory, it is recommended run multiple services like NFS server, Nexcloud, VPN, etc in a Raspberry PI 512mb ram or it's better run with a normal OS with cache on hdd?
2018-08-15 23:32:51 <Shiz> DiogoGomes[m]: alpine can also be installed to a hard drive just fine
2018-08-15 23:33:05 <Shiz> i would not recommend running all of that in ram
2018-08-16 00:07:28 <DiogoGomes[m]> Shiz Thanks.
2018-08-16 00:07:28 <DiogoGomes[m]> I'm testing Hypriot at the moment but I already had a "crush" for the Alpine Linux concept. Any suggestions of good documentation/tutorials for running:
2018-08-16 00:07:29 <DiogoGomes[m]> **Alpine Linux (hard drive) with modified/improved kernel and packages to run docker on top** (all applications/services inside docker) like Hypriot do (of out the box)
2018-08-16 00:08:59 <Shiz> well, you can just  apk add docker and it'll get you docker
2018-08-16 00:09:05 <Shiz> no problem
2018-08-16 00:09:09 <Shiz> what do you mean by modified/improved kernel
2018-08-16 00:18:03 <DiogoGomes[m]> 
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2018-08-16 01:26:14 <Shiz> our kernel should be good to go for docker
2018-08-16 01:26:26 <Shiz> if you get warnings let me know and i'll see if it's something we can/want to fix on our end :)
2018-08-16 02:48:28 <xnite> I have installed KVM per the wiki and the `qemu` and `kvm` commands are not there. (followed https://wiki.alpinelinux.org/wiki/KVM).
2018-08-16 03:15:48 <xnite> also on the page for Qemu on the wiki, in the "Before You Start" section you show how to install on fedora but not Alpine.
2018-08-16 04:37:55 <_ikke_> xnite: what packages did you install exactly?
2018-08-16 04:47:25 <DiogoGomes[m]> Shiz: Thanks 😉
2018-08-16 05:31:46 <xnite> _ikke_: qemu-system-x86_64 libvirt libvirt-daemon dbus polkit qemu-img kvm-intel
2018-08-16 05:32:18 <xnite> sry
2018-08-16 05:32:24 <xnite> mod proped kvm-intel
2018-08-16 08:40:25 <otaku42> hi all
2018-08-16 08:50:57 <kahiru> otaku42: yo, what's up?
2018-08-16 08:51:41 <otaku42> kahiru: all well. trying to get my feet wet on alpine.
2018-08-16 08:51:59 <kahiru> cool, how do you like it so far?
2018-08-16 08:53:17 <otaku42> cannot tell yet, since i didn't start installation yet. right now i'm investigating how to enable the serial console on the installer, since i'm planning to use alpine on a pcengines apu2.
2018-08-16 08:53:45 <otaku42> i found the howto in the wiki, but struggle with my debian box to get the iso modified
2018-08-16 08:54:39 <otaku42> and i guess there isn't an easier way, such as "when the isolinux message shows up, hit <key>, type <magic>, and you're good to go"?
2018-08-16 09:02:24 <otaku42> brb, need to reboot
2018-08-16 09:13:16 <otaku42> re
2018-08-16 09:54:09 <kahiru> otaku42: so if you're at the isolinux screen and press TAB it will show you which "entries" you can select. It will be a single word, for example on 3.7.0-virt it is "virthardened"
2018-08-16 09:54:36 <kahiru> otaku42: you can then write this word to select the entry and then any other text you enter after that will be appeneded to the kernel cmdline. that's what you want I guess
2018-08-16 09:55:04 <kahiru> and serial consoles can be enabled like that iirc
2018-08-16 09:56:43 <kahiru> so to continue with the example I'd write virthardened console=ttyS0,9600 at the isolinux prompt
2018-08-16 09:57:36 <liwakura> kahiru: the apu2 doesn't have vga
2018-08-16 09:57:55 <otaku42> kahiru: the last i see on the serial console is: ISOLINUX 6.04 6.04-pre1 EHDD
2018-08-16 09:57:56 <liwakura> so he will need to edit the installer to run on ttyS0 per default
2018-08-16 09:58:06 <kahiru> oh, well. it could still be written blindly
2018-08-16 09:58:17 <liwakura> mh
2018-08-16 09:58:19 <otaku42> and it appears that it does not accept tab or anything at that point
2018-08-16 09:58:48 <kahiru> just read the isolinux config in the iso to get the menu entry name
2018-08-16 09:59:00 <liwakura> otaku42: you could attach an USB keyboard to the apu and then type blindly
2018-08-16 09:59:23 <liwakura> uhm... actually, if you see the ISOLINUX string on the serial console
2018-08-16 09:59:51 <liwakura> then syslinux should already have gotten some sort of serial configuration..
2018-08-16 10:00:48 <otaku42> liwakura: i guess that's the console redirect from the APU, but it works at the early boot stage only. i could be wrong, though
2018-08-16 10:00:58 <liwakura> ah, that might explain it
2018-08-16 10:01:43 <liwakura> like what kahiru said, if you attach an USB keyboard to the APU, you could attempt to blindly write that string into the boot prompt
2018-08-16 10:02:55 <otaku42> my handicap is that i can only access that apu via a network-attached serial port. i could attach a usb keyboard, but that would be in another room from the "display". don't ask :)
2018-08-16 10:03:59 <otaku42> my attempt to modify the isolinux config and rebuild the iso file with that modification failed. i'm sure i did something wrong, but i have no clue what it was.
2018-08-16 10:04:07 <liwakura> so taking out the disk and installing it from another device is also out of the question?
2018-08-16 10:04:24 <liwakura> building bootable iso's can be a bit tricky
2018-08-16 10:04:43 <liwakura> but i can tell you what additions you need to make to the bootloader config
2018-08-16 10:04:43 <otaku42> liwakura: the target disk is a msata ssd drive, and i have no other device where i could throw that in.
2018-08-16 10:05:03 <otaku42> what i did for rebuilding the iso:
2018-08-16 10:06:37 <otaku42> loop-mounted the standard iso; cp -vR /mnt ~/alpine-serial; edit syslinux config; genisoimage -udf -o alpine-serial.iso alpine-serial/
2018-08-16 10:07:08 <otaku42> then dd if=alpine-serial.iso of=/dev/sdf && sync (/dev/sdf is the usb stick)
2018-08-16 10:07:32 <liwakura> usually you need to specify the bootloader parts on the genisoimage command line
2018-08-16 10:07:42 <liwakura> did that image boot then?
2018-08-16 10:07:51 <otaku42> no, the apu didn't recognize the result as being bootable
2018-08-16 10:09:09 <liwakura> alright, genisoimage definitely needs the isolinux arguments
2018-08-16 10:09:32 <liwakura> alternatively, you could also extract the iso contents onto an vfat partition and then setup the mbr and syslinux
2018-08-16 10:09:51 <liwakura> which would make things easier because its r/w then
2018-08-16 10:10:24 <kahiru> or just build a brand new customized image https://wiki.alpinelinux.org/wiki/How_to_make_a_custom_ISO_image_with_mkimage ?
2018-08-16 10:10:41 <liwakura> ^ is probably more official
2018-08-16 10:12:29 <otaku42> kahiru: that requires an running alpine instance, right? i have a debian box at hands, with lxc in place. i could set up a alpine lxc container for that... hmm.
2018-08-16 10:12:58 <kahiru> I think I did that even in docker if you're into that
2018-08-16 10:13:14 <otaku42> kahiru: no docker experience here.
2018-08-16 10:13:41 <otaku42> and my other linux skills seem to be rusty, too :)
2018-08-16 10:13:56 <liwakura> aren't you the madwifi guy?
2018-08-16 10:14:19 <otaku42> liwakura: aye
2018-08-16 10:58:13 <otaku42> murphy is a bitch: lxc fails to download the alpine template, which might or might not also be caused by the fact that my debian box is still on debian8.
2018-08-16 10:58:50 <kahiru> otaku42: how about the download template?
2018-08-16 11:27:15 <otaku42> kahiru: indeeed... thanks, that worked, the alpine container is now running.
2018-08-16 11:31:43 <otaku42> erm... ok, i guess i need some more coffee. that alpine container is missing apk.
2018-08-16 11:31:56 <kahiru> that's odd
2018-08-16 11:33:03 <otaku42> i agree
2018-08-16 11:33:23 <kahiru> maybe just PATH is messed up?
2018-08-16 11:33:33 <duncan^> are you sure it is missing it, it should be in /sbin/apk
2018-08-16 11:33:50 <duncan^> I think your path might not include that directory by default
2018-08-16 11:35:02 <kahiru> or maybe when you exec into the container it doesn't load all the profile files properly so path doesn't get set properly
2018-08-16 11:35:06 <otaku42> /sbin/apk does not exist
2018-08-16 11:35:33 <liwakura> otaku42: btw, how many baud do you have on the tty?
2018-08-16 11:35:41 <otaku42> 115200
2018-08-16 11:49:48 <otaku42> ok, i extracted the apk-tools-2.10.0-r0.apk as found on the installation cd. now i have /sbin/apk, but it fails to start, since according to ldd libc.musl-x86_64.so.1 is missing... what?!
2018-08-16 11:51:38 <liwakura> otaku42: i just made an serial 115200 iso: https://lain.elnath.uberspace.de/alpine-standard-v3.8-x86_64.iso
2018-08-16 11:51:51 <liwakura> its signed with my own key, an im not an official maintainer
2018-08-16 11:51:59 <liwakura> but it works in qemu with -serial stdio
2018-08-16 11:58:35 <otaku42> liwakura: great, thanks! works!
2018-08-16 11:59:23 <liwakura> how did you get the apu2?
2018-08-16 11:59:52 <liwakura> a few months ago i was considering it, but it can't just be buyed due to some regulatory crap
2018-08-16 12:00:03 <liwakura> s/buyed/bought/
2018-08-16 12:00:04 <otaku42> liwakura: ordered directly at pcengines.ch (through my company, though).
2018-08-16 12:00:18 <liwakura> crap, i need a company
2018-08-16 12:00:36 <otaku42> liwakura: huh? may i ask: which country do you live in?
2018-08-16 12:00:44 <liwakura> Sachsen
2018-08-16 12:02:05 <otaku42> liwakura: https://varia-store.com/de/hersteller/70-pc-engines.html should help - they are in chemnitz, by the way
2018-08-16 12:04:00 <otaku42> liwakura: we've ordered two apu1 and two apu2 right after they were released, and since then they were laying around, unused. at that time iirc varia didn't have pcengines stuff, otherwise we would have ordered there.
2018-08-16 12:04:25 <otaku42> it's a lot easier than dealing with customs when ordering at pcengines in switzerland.
2018-08-16 12:04:46 <liwakura> maybe i could as well ask around if someone has one laying around
2018-08-16 12:09:12 <otaku42> liwakura: now i'm looking forward to get the installation done - once i return home. but first i have to fix another self-caused issue: bought the wrong type of ssd, have to change it to another model.
2018-08-16 12:09:32 <liwakura> alright
2018-08-16 12:09:47 <liwakura> whats your waifu tho
2018-08-16 12:10:55 <otaku42> waifu?
2018-08-16 12:11:39 <liwakura> ohh alright nv,
2018-08-16 12:11:41 <liwakura> *nvm
2018-08-16 12:14:14 <maxice8> lol
2018-08-16 12:15:41 <otaku42> liwakura: ah, i see. no, i'm no anime guy. the nickname was inspired (long time ago) by the otaku as they appear in the shadowrun rpg. see http://shadowrun.wikia.com/wiki/Otaku
2018-08-16 12:16:39 <liwakura> maxice8: im guessing its your github avatar, lol
2018-08-16 12:16:52 <liwakura> otaku42: damn
2018-08-16 12:16:55 <maxice8> no, that is Summer BB
2018-08-16 12:28:30 <otaku42> liwakura: since you've mentioned madwifi: could it be that we had contact once before in the context of the madwifi project?
2018-08-16 12:28:51 <liwakura> unlikely
2018-08-16 12:28:59 <liwakura> i just googled for your nick
2018-08-16 12:29:18 <otaku42> ah, ok :)
2018-08-16 18:05:37 <xnite> I'm still having trouble with missing qemu & kvm commands after following the wiki. _ikke_ asked me what I installed last night, but unfortunately didn't get back to me. I installed qemu-system-x86_64, libvirt, libvirt-daemon, dbus, polkit, and qemu-img. I also noticed there was a package named qemu by itself which I also installed.
2018-08-16 18:09:02 <ipguiinvb> does someone have experiences with the nextcloud packages for 3.8? The sharing buttons are missing in my installation, even though they are activated in the administration panel.
2018-08-16 18:09:42 <liwakura> xnite: what is the error=
2018-08-16 18:09:43 <liwakura> ?
2018-08-16 18:09:48 <liwakura> qemu: command not found?
2018-08-16 18:11:01 <xnite> yes
2018-08-16 18:11:14 <xnite> and I have looked for it in /usr/bin/ and it's not in there either
2018-08-16 18:11:29 <liwakura> uhm, on alpine, the qemu binaries are in separate packages
2018-08-16 18:11:33 <liwakura> depending on what they are for
2018-08-16 18:12:11 <liwakura> like, an qemu-system-x86_64 package for an x86_64 VM
2018-08-16 18:12:41 <xnite> yea I have a lot of them, but I am missing qemu or kvm command. Neither of them are there and all these guides tell me to create vms with qemu or kvm command. I don't know which package it should be in.
2018-08-16 18:13:16 <liwakura> i dont think there is an "qemu" binary on alpine
2018-08-16 18:13:36 <liwakura> its called qemu-system-$ARCH and comes from the respective package
2018-08-16 18:14:52 <xnite> `qemu-system-x86_64` has already been installed and the binary is still missing.
2018-08-16 18:28:24 <xnite> I need to head off for a couple of hours
2018-08-16 18:54:16 <_ikke_> xnite: https://pkgs.alpinelinux.org/contents?branch=edge&name=qemu-system-x86_64&arch=x86_64&repo=main
2018-08-16 20:42:49 <xnite> _ikke_: I didn't even notice that was there before. I just reinstalled everything and started fresh and yes that is in fact there.
2018-08-16 20:45:34 <_ikke_> so now you have qemu-system-x86_64?
2018-08-16 21:04:59 <xnite> _ikke_: yep! It's all working now, I'm just waiting on my VMs to import rn and I should be set.
2018-08-16 21:06:58 <_ikke_> alright!
2018-08-16 21:07:07 <xnite> oh _ikke_ btw, not sure who manages wiki pages. But the /wiki/Qemu page tells you how to install on fedora instead of alpine.
2018-08-16 21:07:27 <xnite> right under "Before You Start"
2018-08-16 21:08:44 <_ikke_> "The community" :P
2018-08-16 21:31:00 <Death_Syn>  /j #wee-slack
2018-08-17 10:13:42 <chris_99> Hi, i'm just wondering if anyone else has got 'interface doesn't support scanning' with wifi using the Pi 3B+, whilst installing?
2018-08-17 10:14:51 <TBB> I think someone just asked the same thing a day or two ago
2018-08-17 10:15:37 <chris_99> ah, do you know if there's a simple solution to that?
2018-08-17 10:15:38 <AinNero> ah yeah, and i could reproduce that issue with the internal interfac
2018-08-17 10:15:58 <AinNero> chris_99: i setup the connection via wpa_supplicant and wpa_supplicant somehow magically fixed it
2018-08-17 10:16:01 <AinNero> no idea how
2018-08-17 10:16:04 <chris_99> oh interesting
2018-08-17 10:16:29 <chris_99> i'll try that then, thanks
2018-08-17 10:23:58 <TBB> I've pretty much always gone the wpa_supplicant route on Alpine so I've never really encountered that problem
2018-08-17 10:24:55 <chris_99> hmm that seems to be giving me 'wpa_supplicant ctrl-event-scan-failed ret=-11' when launching wpa_supplicant using a config file
2018-08-17 10:26:14 <AinNero> this seems new
2018-08-17 10:28:27 <chris_99> this is a pi 3b+ btw, is that what you where using?
2018-08-17 10:30:38 <AinNero> some RPi 3 with internal wifi controller
2018-08-17 10:30:41 <AinNero> the broadcom one
2018-08-17 10:31:26 <AinNero> ah, its the 3b, but without the plus
2018-08-17 10:31:27 <chris_99> ahhh, i _think_ pi 3b+ uses a cypress chip iirc
2018-08-17 10:31:45 <chris_99> for wifi
2018-08-17 13:12:13 <qrvpzvb> how am I to upgrade from 3.7 to 3.8 ?
2018-08-17 13:12:46 <_ikke_> https://wiki.alpinelinux.org/wiki/Upgrading_Alpine
2018-08-17 13:12:47 <AinNero> qrvpzvb: edit the repository url in /etc/apk/repositories; apk update; apk upgrade
2018-08-17 13:13:07 <qrvpzvb> that simple?
2018-08-17 13:13:16 <AinNero> oh, what _ikke_ posted is more official, take that guide instead
2018-08-17 13:13:23 <AinNero> qrvpzvb: ideally
2018-08-17 13:13:49 <_ikke_> you need to append --available to upgrade
2018-08-17 13:16:35 <qrvpzvb> I think I'll just reinstall
2018-08-17 13:16:57 <qrvpzvb> I only need to backup the apkvol right?
2018-08-17 13:17:02 <qrvpzvb> on a diskless install
2018-08-17 13:22:49 <_ikke_> should be enough, yes
2018-08-17 13:48:21 <qrvpzvb> so, I'm running ZFS for some disks (not the root) and it is not mounted on boot
2018-08-17 13:48:45 <qrvpzvb> I have the relevant services enabled
2018-08-17 13:49:59 <qrvpzvb> what more must I do
2018-08-17 13:56:36 <qrvpzvb> I'm thinking it may be the zpool.cache
2018-08-17 13:56:56 <azarus> are you using traditional mounting or that fancy ZFS only thing
2018-08-17 13:57:05 <azarus> because if you do, i'd use fstab
2018-08-17 13:57:32 <qrvpzvb> by fancy zfs you mean...?
2018-08-17 13:58:14 <qrvpzvb> TBH, I don't even know how I'd use fstab for that
2018-08-17 13:58:23 <qrvpzvb> because I don't know where to find the dev for the pool
2018-08-17 14:02:27 <azarus> first column would be the pool/dataset name
2018-08-18 11:23:33 <dipet> Hi, does anybody knows here why boost-system is masked in edge?
2018-08-18 11:30:02 <dipet> I have this bug when I would like to add package mongodb to dockerfile
2018-08-18 11:30:08 <dipet> ERROR: unsatisfiable constraints:
2018-08-18 11:30:08 <dipet>   boost-system-1.67.0-r2:
2018-08-18 11:30:08 <dipet>     masked in: @edge
2018-08-18 11:30:10 <dipet>     satisfies:
2018-08-18 11:30:12 <dipet>                mongodb-4.0.1-r0[so:libboost_system-mt.so.1.67.0]
2018-08-18 11:30:14 <dipet>                boost-filesystem-1.67.0-r2[so:libboost_system-mt.so.1.67.0]
2018-08-18 11:30:16 <dipet>                boost-filesystem-1.67.0-r2[so:libboost_system.so.1.67.0]
2018-08-18 11:30:18 <dipet>   boost-filesystem-1.67.0-r2:
2018-08-18 11:30:20 <dipet>     masked in: @edge
2018-08-18 11:30:22 <dipet>     satisfies: world[boost-filesystem]
2018-08-18 11:30:24 <dipet>                mongodb-4.0.1-r0[so:libboost_filesystem-mt.so.1.67.0]
2018-08-18 11:30:26 <dipet>   boost-iostreams-1.67.0-r2:
2018-08-18 11:30:28 <dipet>     masked in: @edge
2018-08-18 11:30:30 <dipet>     satisfies: world[boost-iostreams]
2018-08-18 11:30:32 <dipet>                mongodb-4.0.1-r0[so:libboost_iostreams-mt.so.1.67.0]
2018-08-18 11:39:44 <dipet> I'm sorry, the error between the chair and keyboard detecked
2018-08-18 12:42:36 <AinNero> i got sparc machines here
2018-08-18 12:42:46 <AinNero> there so no alpine for sparc, right?
2018-08-18 12:44:34 <jn__> no musl libc for sparc, even
2018-08-18 12:44:46 <AinNero> oh
2018-08-18 12:44:50 <AinNero> into the trash it goes then
2018-08-18 12:44:58 <jn__> nah, sell 'em
2018-08-18 12:45:57 <AinNero> yeah, consens in the room is to sell them on ebay
2018-08-18 12:50:43 <RobbieAB> Or port musl to sparc? :D
2018-08-18 13:15:51 <dipet> Exists some easy way how to force masked packages upon apk add? Now I have hack to fetch and add with --allow-untrusted.
2018-08-18 13:16:09 <dipet> force install
2018-08-18 13:17:10 <dipet>     apk fetch -s boost-filesystem > boost-filesystem.apk && \
2018-08-18 13:17:10 <dipet>     apk add --no-cache --allow-untrusted /tmp/boost-filesystem.apk && \
2018-08-18 13:20:02 <AinNero> dipet: apk add foobar@edge, usually
2018-08-18 13:23:08 <dipet> AinNero: But it's not usable with --no-cache option
2018-08-18 13:23:57 <paradoxspiral> hi, i'm havin trouble locally updating an APKBUILD. the package is wayland-protocols, i just switched the version to 1.15 and ran abuild checksum && abuild -i, but apk info wayland-protocols still reports 1.14
2018-08-18 13:24:09 <AinNero> dipet: it works for me, can you explain your situation more?
2018-08-18 13:24:33 <AinNero> paradoxspiral: could you pastebin the patch you applied?
2018-08-18 13:24:36 <dipet> apk add boost-system@edge
2018-08-18 13:24:38 <dipet> its ok
2018-08-18 13:25:56 <dipet> AinNero: I'm sorry, your issue is ok. Thank you
2018-08-18 13:26:23 <paradoxspiral> AinNero: just s/pkgver=1.14/pkgver=1.15/ and `abuild checksum` to update the sha512
2018-08-18 13:26:44 <_ikke_> or use abump
2018-08-18 13:32:10 <paradoxspiral> okay, so `abump wayland-protocols-1.15` generates a commit and updates the APKBUILD. how can i build a package out of that which i can install over the outdated edge repo version?
2018-08-18 13:33:01 <AinNero> abuild -r
2018-08-18 13:33:41 <AinNero> that generates the package in ~/packages, which you then can add as alpine repo
2018-08-18 13:34:49 <paradoxspiral> ah, i see. thanks~
2018-08-18 13:36:03 <AinNero> that behavior is customizable in /etc/abuild.conf
2018-08-18 13:40:39 <AinNero> oder ~/.abuild/abuild.conf
2018-08-18 18:20:10 <qrvpzvb> is anyone running ACF on nginx ?
2018-08-18 22:18:04 <TheLaughingMan> hello. i'm setting up a bootable usb and i have a sort of 'brain dump' of my steps here: http://paste.debian.net/hidden/2573380d/ .  just wondering if there's something I missed or got incorrect. any feedback is welcome, thanks :)
2018-08-18 23:58:55 <TheLaughingMan> must be the wrong room'
2018-08-19 01:26:53 <TBB> must be someone doesn't understand the nature of IRC ...
2018-08-19 11:50:17 <moewe> Hi, is there any way to contribute if I want to update packages in the repository?  Compton for example is pretty old, and herbstluftw is also one version behind
2018-08-19 11:51:11 <azarus> moewe: https://wiki.alpinelinux.org/wiki/Creating_an_Alpine_package#Setup_your_system_and_account
2018-08-19 11:51:28 <azarus> And other articles under: https://wiki.alpinelinux.org/wiki/Developer_Documentation
2018-08-19 11:51:39 <azarus> (the documentation is pretty good)
2018-08-19 11:51:52 <_ikke_> You can either submit pull requests on github, or send patches on the mailing list with updates or new packages
2018-08-19 11:55:39 <moewe> Thank you, I hope I will be able to help!
2018-08-19 14:27:36 <qrvpzvb> is it possible to create a bootable USB for data-mode install?
2018-08-19 14:28:21 <_ikke_> the default iso should support that
2018-08-19 14:28:33 <qrvpzvb> how so?
2018-08-19 14:28:46 <qrvpzvb> should I dd the iso on the USB that I want
2018-08-19 14:29:01 <qrvpzvb> because then, I can't select it as a disk
2018-08-19 14:29:08 <qrvpzvb> because it's mounted
2018-08-19 14:29:25 <qrvpzvb> and more importantly, setup-disks always erases the disk I choose
2018-08-19 14:29:41 <_ikke_> right, so what do you actually want to achieve then?
2018-08-19 14:30:21 <qrvpzvb> I want a single USB that has a partition for the "boot" that also sets the ram disk and everything and another partition for var
2018-08-19 14:30:28 <qrvpzvb> could I just create it myself?
2018-08-19 14:30:41 <qrvpzvb> or rather, is there anything "special" that a data install does
2018-08-19 14:30:51 <qrvpzvb> could I just mount /var in fstab?
2018-08-19 14:30:57 <qrvpzvb> is it that easy?
2018-08-19 14:31:29 <qrvpzvb> I'm thinking that it may be too late
2018-08-19 14:32:15 <_ikke_> You should be able to create that usb disk yourself
2018-08-19 14:32:34 <_ikke_> just partition it, extract the contents of the iso in the boot partition
2018-08-19 14:32:51 <_ikke_> install syslinux and mbr
2018-08-19 14:33:44 <_ikke_> not exactly sure how to get var on usb to work exactly
2018-08-19 14:36:31 <qrvpzvb> from peeking at setup-disks
2018-08-19 14:36:48 <qrvpzvb> it looks like a simple fstab entry for /var is what it's doing
2018-08-19 16:56:27 <qrvpzvb> on a diskless install, I'm not supposed to have "linux" (the package) installed right?
2018-08-19 16:58:35 <qrvpzvb> but then, how do I get modules?
2018-08-19 16:58:51 <AinNero> via the modloop
2018-08-19 16:58:59 <qrvpzvb> say what
2018-08-19 16:59:10 <AinNero> that is essentially an loop-mounted squashfs of /lib/modules/$(uname -r)
2018-08-19 16:59:30 <qrvpzvb> but I still can't install extra modules
2018-08-19 16:59:54 <AinNero> what do you mean with install? modprobe them? or add them to /lib/modules?
2018-08-19 17:00:01 <qrvpzvb> apk add them
2018-08-19 17:00:11 <AinNero> which one?
2018-08-19 17:00:12 <qrvpzvb> I'm specifically talking about zfs
2018-08-19 17:00:50 <qrvpzvb> it's probably "builtin" the extended kernel though, rght?
2018-08-19 17:01:07 <AinNero> i dont know, haven't messed with zfs on alpine yet
2018-08-19 17:01:21 <qrvpzvb> I was using it fine on 3.7
2018-08-19 17:01:27 <qrvpzvb> but I was on extended
2018-08-19 17:01:35 <qrvpzvb> I now tried standard out
2018-08-19 17:01:38 <qrvpzvb> and it's not there
2018-08-19 17:01:48 <qrvpzvb> I'll just install 3.8 extened again
2018-08-19 17:02:15 <qrvpzvb> how is the modloop populated?
2018-08-19 17:02:22 <qrvpzvb> is it in the initramfs ?
2018-08-19 17:02:24 <AinNero> its fetched from the bootmedia
2018-08-19 17:02:34 <AinNero> or network, depends on how alpine is booted
2018-08-19 17:03:00 <AinNero> but when its mounted, its read-only, so that would always block external modules
2018-08-19 17:03:46 <qrvpzvb> and any modules I apk add don't "know" about it, to be installed there
2018-08-19 17:03:53 <qrvpzvb> right?
2018-08-19 17:04:40 <AinNero> adding them would fail with "read-only medium" or similar error message, i guess
2018-08-19 17:04:55 <_ikke_> qrvpzvb: the only difference between extended and standard is the amount of packages on the installation medium
2018-08-19 17:05:19 <AinNero> afaik the modloop mechanism hasn't changed, but then i dont understand how zfs could have worked before on diskless
2018-08-19 17:05:53 <qrvpzvb> hmm
2018-08-19 17:05:56 <qrvpzvb> this is troubling
2018-08-19 17:06:18 <AinNero> just needs some research, afk, need to switch trains
2018-08-19 17:07:51 <qrvpzvb> I remember for a fact that I hadn't installed any zfs modules
2018-08-19 17:08:17 <qrvpzvb> though I wasn't using the vanilla kernel but the hardened one... could that have made a difference?
2018-08-19 17:11:18 <_ikke_> I would not think that would make a difference in what modules would be present, but not sure
2018-08-19 22:37:40 <qrvpzvb> so, alpine extended actually does contain the zfs module
2018-08-19 22:37:45 <qrvpzvb> while standard does not
2018-08-20 16:05:57 <jomat> Hi! Anybode here running prosody? On older alpine linux versions there was a lua5.2-event for libevent, which is now missing… is there some replacement or are you using select()?
2018-08-20 16:53:00 <qrvpzvb> is anyone using ZFS ?
2018-08-20 16:53:11 <qrvpzvb> would it be possible to put /var under ZFS ?
2018-08-20 16:55:52 <koollman> qrvpzvb: I don't see why it would not be possible.
2018-08-20 16:56:30 <koollman> it's possible (with some effort) to put / on zfs. /var seems much more easy, and most likely do not require too much changes
2018-08-20 16:56:35 <koollman> (I have not tried)
2018-08-20 16:59:27 <qrvpzvb> sure, root on ZFS is possible too
2018-08-20 16:59:44 <qrvpzvb> I'm guess I'm asking how to do it
2018-08-20 17:36:01 <koollman> https://bit-strickerei.de/posts/alpine-zfs-root/ would be the full version. I have not yet tried to do that with alpine
2018-08-20 17:36:16 <koollman> just /var is likely easier, as long as zfs comes up before /var is required
2018-08-20 20:17:33 <qrvpzvb> koollman: yeah, that's my problem I guess
2018-08-20 20:17:52 <qrvpzvb> I'm not really entirely sure what is going on on that post
2018-08-20 20:18:02 <qrvpzvb> and what're the essential parts
2018-08-20 20:18:21 <qrvpzvb> I mean, he's installing a entire system in a chroot basically
2018-08-20 20:19:11 <pardis> That's what the Alpine installer does
2018-08-20 20:19:15 <pardis> Although I wouldn't follow that process
2018-08-20 20:19:18 <pardis> I'd just use setup-disk on a ZFS mount
2018-08-20 20:19:22 <pardis> I've done that before and it worked
2018-08-20 20:19:26 <pardis> As long as you have a non-ZFS /boot
2018-08-20 20:20:04 <pardis> I no longer have any systems with ZFS so I can't provide any specific commands
2018-08-20 20:34:51 <qrvpzvb> pardis: I only care for /var
2018-08-20 20:34:59 <qrvpzvb> the rest of my setup is diskless
2018-08-20 21:17:19 <jedahan> Hey yall. So I have a home server with a couple of root partitions for trying out different distros, and I used alpine-chroot-install successfully to install on one of the partitions, mounted to /alpine
2018-08-20 21:17:50 <jedahan> I've got a couple of questions about persistence - both how to add it as an entry in boot, and to make sure the apks I install persist across boots
2018-08-20 21:18:31 <jedahan> First question is, do I need to run setup-disk to complete the installation?
2018-08-20 21:21:13 <grobe0ba> honestly, if you want to try out different distros, you're better off choosing something as a base and then using docker, or virtual machines.
2018-08-20 21:21:34 <grobe0ba> in my experience, dual booting ALWAYS introduces issues and complexities that are better avoided
2018-08-20 21:21:39 <grobe0ba> and easily so be using the correct tools.
2018-08-20 21:23:35 <jedahan> Well its more like, I want whatever my main distro is normally, and once in a while try something else out to see if I want to switch over. Not every distro is happy in a virtual environment
2018-08-20 21:23:40 <jedahan> (especially if I am doing more desktop-y things)
2018-08-20 21:24:45 <jedahan> I guess conceptually I am asking - is `disk-setup -m sys` roughly the same as `alpine-chroot-install` and then adding an entry to EFI/grub with whatever kernel alpine wants to install to disk?
2018-08-20 21:25:43 <jedahan> I mean alternatively, can I just point my current kernel to mount the chroot-install (root=/dev/sda4) and expect all the things i've done in the chroot-install to persist
2018-08-20 21:26:07 <jedahan> (adding sshd and networking to the default boot level, for example)
2018-08-21 00:29:12 <jedahan> turns out, all I had to do was point root=/dev/sda4 and use my old kernel and alpine just works
2018-08-21 00:29:28 <jedahan> though I'm having issues starting docker :(
2018-08-21 00:30:53 <jedahan> where are service logs located?
2018-08-21 09:15:20 <ScrumpyJack> anyone set up multiauth on alpine linux, with perhaps libpam-google-auth or another OTP stuff?
2018-08-21 09:22:11 <akuo> 2
2018-08-21 09:38:52 <ScrumpyJack> 3
2018-08-21 12:02:04 <beiqil> Hi. Is it possible to specify apkcache directory relative to the LBU backup or, for example, places like /media/by-uuid/* (and then the startup script mounts the volume that has the corresponding UUID and use it as apkcache) since /media/sd* is kinda fragile and work poorly for me
2018-08-21 12:24:39 <beiqil> I am using LiveCD and USB hard drive setup
2018-08-21 12:27:48 <AinNero> apkcache points to directory, UUID points to block device
2018-08-21 12:28:04 <AinNero> so you would probably go via fstab for that
2018-08-21 12:28:23 <AinNero> which can be backupped via lbu
2018-08-21 12:29:11 <beiqil> @AinNero I did try fstab but it didn't end well, apkcache loading is so early it ignores the fstab (which is in the LBU)
2018-08-21 12:30:02 <beiqil> or did I miss something?
2018-08-21 12:30:47 <beiqil> Like is there any service that I need to start in order to enforce the fstab?
2018-08-21 12:41:52 <AinNero> nah, its not possible that way...
2018-08-21 12:42:06 <AinNero> apkcache can only point to what nlplug mounted
2018-08-21 12:45:40 <beiqil> So nlplug does not support UUIDs/labels? Well that sucks :(
2018-08-21 12:51:56 <beiqil> Oh wait seems that /media/UUID=*/ works :D
2018-08-21 12:52:11 <beiqil> So it's supported
2018-08-21 12:53:12 <beiqil> *Nope it doesn't
2018-08-21 12:54:30 <beiqil> I thought it works by the loading time, but it's probably just a hiccup (a cache load is not that long anyway)
2018-08-21 13:46:47 <rain1> hi
2018-08-21 13:47:02 <rain1> do a lot of people use alpine for desktop?
2018-08-21 13:48:51 <AinNero> i do
2018-08-21 13:49:20 <rain1> alright! I was wondering about how you would add a new type of link to the system (gopher://) in my case
2018-08-21 13:49:31 <rain1> so that you can open a gopher client when you click links
2018-08-21 13:49:54 <rain1> in alpine would this follow the freedesktop .desktop file specs or something? (I failed with that on arch)
2018-08-21 13:50:18 <AinNero> click links where? im not aware of any standardized mechanism for that
2018-08-21 13:50:36 <AinNero> but i did create an xdg-open wrapper that does handle gopher links
2018-08-21 13:50:42 <rain1> i guess just like in the overall system
2018-08-21 13:51:00 <rain1> oh cool!
2018-08-21 13:51:17 <rain1> is there a repo for it? if it works I can point to it from my gopher client
2018-08-21 13:52:01 <AinNero> its in my private scripts repo, git://git.w1r3.net/nero/scripts.git
2018-08-21 13:52:18 <AinNero> i dont wish for incoming links
2018-08-21 13:53:32 <rain1> alright, I think I can just make my own but the idea is nice!
2018-08-21 14:14:43 <rain1> https://notabug.org/rain1/gopher/src/master/xdg-open ended up with that
2018-08-21 16:03:01 <marnej> hi
2018-08-21 16:03:26 <marnej> is there way, how to easy switch root into readonly and all writing do in some overlayfs ?
2018-08-21 16:04:15 <marnej> don't like diskless mode, cause it is running on alix with onle 256mb ram
2018-08-21 16:04:30 <marnej> i don't like to extract all packages into ram
2018-08-21 16:04:53 <marnej> i need to have typicaly installation but with RO root
2018-08-21 16:05:00 <marnej> cause its on CF
2018-08-21 16:11:10 <AinNero> marnej: add "overlaytmpfs" to your kernel parameter lsit
2018-08-21 16:11:12 <AinNero> *list
2018-08-21 16:52:50 <marnej> an it'll automaticaly use overlay ? or some more settings is needed ?
2018-08-21 18:14:16 <marnej> AinNero: cool, that works fine. is there way, to easy remount to RW? or only via reboot ?
2018-08-21 18:14:28 <marnej> os save overlay
2018-08-21 18:14:32 <marnej> or save overlay
2018-08-21 19:02:35 <AinNero> marnej: its not possible to change the overlay back to normal
2018-08-21 19:02:49 <AinNero> but you can remount the /media/root-ro as rw, maybe
2018-08-21 19:02:52 <AinNero> and copy your stuff there
2018-08-21 19:03:13 <marnej> AinNero: yeah, that;s i just  did
2018-08-21 19:03:30 <marnej> mount -o remount,rw /media/root-ro
2018-08-21 19:03:35 <marnej> chroot /media/root-ro
2018-08-21 19:03:37 <marnej> apk add some
2018-08-21 19:03:40 <marnej> and then reboot
2018-08-21 19:03:51 <marnej> cause i was unable to remount ro
2018-08-21 19:10:00 <via> n/win 17
2018-08-21 19:10:02 <via> dammit
2018-08-21 19:11:28 <marnej> via password ? :-)
2018-08-21 19:11:46 <via> no, trying to switch windows in irssi without making sure buffer is clear
2018-08-21 19:12:54 <marnej> :-)
2018-08-22 10:30:30 <devarandom> Hi. I installed alpine-virt-3.8.0-x86_64.iso on VMWare esxi, but it does not seem to be happy ?  I am seeing lots of "ttyS ttyS0: tty_port_close_start: tty->count = 1 port count = 2" in my dmesg
2018-08-23 09:45:08 <HatchiFR> Hi everyone, I deal with an stupid issue in the creation of an alpine docker image.
2018-08-23 09:45:32 <HatchiFR> I need to install on alpine rar application but every time I get /bin/sh rar is not found
2018-08-23 09:46:30 <HatchiFR> With some inspection I saw that the rar tar.gz file from rarlab isn't sources file like unrar but precompiled binaries
2018-08-23 09:48:25 <rain1> apk add unrar
2018-08-23 09:49:32 <_ikke_> There is no alpine package that provides a command called 'rar'
2018-08-23 09:49:47 <_ikke_> (unrar is provided)
2018-08-23 09:52:27 <HatchiFR> Yes I know, but there is no way to install rar on alpine ?
2018-08-23 09:53:46 <_ikke_> If they only provide precompiled binaries, it will not shipped with Alpine itself (and it may have issues running on Alpine anyway because it uses musl, not glibc)
2018-08-23 09:54:10 <_ikke_> HatchiFR: Perhaps it's easier to make a wrapper around unrar
2018-08-23 09:58:40 <HatchiFR> Thanks _ikke_ for all of this informations
2018-08-23 10:25:35 <Piraty> "Alpine Linux is a security-oriented, lightweight Linux distribution based on musl libc and busybox."
2018-08-23 10:25:35 <Piraty> What specifics about alpine exactly make it "security-oriented" ?
2018-08-23 10:26:14 <AinNero> It used to be grsec
2018-08-23 10:28:56 <Piraty> i see, both webpages show the same mountain
2018-08-23 10:29:24 <Piraty> but not anymore, so what's left?
2018-08-23 10:29:45 <AinNero> Alpine is quite nomadic
2018-08-23 10:30:26 <AinNero> the apkovl mechanism has great potential, and i haven't seen such a thing somewhere else
2018-08-23 10:37:25 <HatchiFR> I'm back with some fix for my issue
2018-08-23 10:37:58 <HatchiFR> if someone need glibc like me to use rar on an alpine docker image : https://github.com/frol/docker-alpine-glibc/blob/master/Dockerfile
2018-08-23 10:38:08 <HatchiFR> some one make it and it's work
2018-08-23 10:50:51 <HatchiFR> I know it's not the philosophy of Alpine but it work to have a very light image :)
2018-08-23 10:51:07 <HatchiFR> Thanks again for creating alpine
2018-08-23 10:56:09 <mstanich_> Piraty: smaller is usually more secure, less moving parts less bugs
2018-08-23 10:57:43 <AinNero> >less moving parts less bugs
2018-08-23 10:57:51 <AinNero> i want to emphasize that
2018-08-23 10:59:35 <mstanich_> to cite (da Vinchi, I think) perfection is achieved not when you have nothing more to add but when you nothing more to remve from the art work or from machine
2018-08-23 11:00:11 <clandmeter> HatchiFR, did you try https://pkgs.alpinelinux.org/package/edge/community/x86_64/gcompat ?
2018-08-23 11:00:14 <mstanich_> not quite cite but rephrase, freely :)
2018-08-23 11:00:41 <AinNero> im currently trying to clean up the initramfs-init script, which is more readable:
2018-08-23 11:01:02 <AinNero> linear ongoing shellscript or functions that call each other?
2018-08-23 11:01:23 <mstanich_> my main motive/reason to svwith to AL is simplicity
2018-08-23 11:02:16 <mstanich_> absolute/perfect security is illusion nowadays, IMHO
2018-08-23 11:05:48 <Piraty> true
2018-08-23 11:06:26 <Piraty> regarding "less moving parts", anything that can be pointed out (by users / maintainers) security-wise in contrast to other "minimal"/"KISS" distros?
2018-08-23 11:07:29 <mstanich_> well, we usually have to make compromise between usability and security
2018-08-23 11:07:54 <TBB> some of the security also comes from a different libc, in Alpine's case musl
2018-08-23 11:08:17 <mstanich_> TBB: right, diversity helps
2018-08-23 11:08:30 <_ikke_> is pax still applied?
2018-08-23 11:10:45 <Piraty> using musl libc only secures against vulns that arise from glibc, but i doubt it's more secure per se to use musl libc. pure length of cve list seems not a good indicator
2018-08-23 11:12:47 <mstanich_> Piraty: could be, but musl is a lot smaller so I expect it has less potential security risks, but that is just my thoughts not a proven fact
2018-08-23 11:13:10 <Piraty> true.
2018-08-23 11:13:15 <_ikke_> and probably less legacy to carry
2018-08-23 11:13:56 <Piraty> if anybody is experienced with void (also available as musl version), what would an alpine user point out as benefit over it?
2018-08-23 11:14:31 <mstanich_> OpenWrt now is also musl based
2018-08-23 11:15:09 <mstanich_> well, not right now but one year at least
2018-08-23 11:16:34 <mstanich_> btw, how can I have my old nick with rights to post to this channel. OT I know, but ...
2018-08-23 11:17:00 <Piraty> openwrt is musl based a long time, no?
2018-08-23 11:17:08 <_ikke_> mstanich_: talk to chanserv
2018-08-23 11:17:13 <_ikke_> mstanich_: sorry, nickserv
2018-08-23 11:18:06 <mstanich_> _ikke_: tried, but without luck. I'll go to #freenode later or simply live with new nick :(
2018-08-23 11:18:21 <_ikke_> did someone else register your nick?
2018-08-23 11:18:30 <mstanich_> yes
2018-08-23 11:18:37 <_ikke_> Then you have to use a different one
2018-08-23 11:19:40 <mstanich_> I do right now (was 'mps' for some time here) but looks like I have to use new one. Maybe I'll use my HAM code, is that 'wise'?
2018-08-23 11:20:02 <_ikke_> dunno
2018-08-23 11:20:03 <mstanich_> s/is/if/
2018-08-23 11:20:56 <mstanich_> will look about it around. Tnx _ikke_
2018-08-23 19:59:10 <qrvpzvb> I was trying to use fcgiwrap
2018-08-23 19:59:36 <qrvpzvb> and I can't restart it
2018-08-23 20:00:15 <qrvpzvb> because of "can't bind to socket: address already is use"
2018-08-23 20:00:37 <danieli> what's the platform / host type it's running on?
2018-08-23 20:00:49 <qrvpzvb> should the openrc script perhaps rm the socket on "stop_pre" ?
2018-08-23 20:00:59 <qrvpzvb> it's my own computer
2018-08-23 20:01:05 <danieli> bare metal?
2018-08-23 20:01:18 <danieli> or is it in a container, in a VM? if so, which container engine / hypervisor?
2018-08-23 20:01:30 <qrvpzvb> bare metal
2018-08-23 20:01:36 <qrvpzvb> i don't think it matters in this case
2018-08-23 20:01:50 <danieli> it could, but not if it's running directly on the host
2018-08-23 20:02:09 <danieli> if you're sure the process is indeed stopped, you could check `ss` or `netstat` to see what's listening
2018-08-23 20:02:23 <danieli> if nothing is, you could try removing the socket on stop_pre and seeing if that fixes it
2018-08-23 20:02:30 <danieli> do get back to me if it does fix it, I'll give it a test
2018-08-23 20:02:49 <qrvpzvb> it does indeed
2018-08-23 20:03:05 <qrvpzvb> actually
2018-08-23 20:03:17 <danieli> any funny business in the configs that could affect this?
2018-08-23 20:03:19 <qrvpzvb> I've only tried it manually
2018-08-23 20:03:29 <qrvpzvb> it doesn't even have a config
2018-08-23 20:03:34 <qrvpzvb> nor a conf.d file
2018-08-23 20:03:44 <danieli> hmmmmmm
2018-08-23 20:03:52 <danieli> well then, I'll test it out soon enough
2018-08-23 20:04:08 <danieli> perhaps you could make an issue at bugs.alpinelinux.org about it?
2018-08-23 20:04:25 <_ikke_> Does it use SO_REUSEADDR / SO_REUSEPORT
2018-08-23 20:04:34 <danieli> just to make sure it isn't completely forgotten, I'll be super busy + travelling quite a bit out august, september and october
2018-08-23 20:04:37 <qrvpzvb> it's a unix socket
2018-08-23 20:04:41 <_ikke_> ah ok
2018-08-23 20:04:50 <qrvpzvb> I'll open a bug
2018-08-23 20:16:19 <sphex> Hey. I can't figure out how to change the root mount options. I'm trying to add "discard" and "noatime" in /etc/fstab for /, but after a reboot the options aren't applied. It works for other partitions though.
2018-08-23 20:31:00 <AinNero> sphex: in /etc/update-extlinux.conf, default_kernel_opts="nomodeset quiet rootfstype=ext4 rootflags=discard"
2018-08-23 20:31:03 <AinNero> thats how i do it
2018-08-23 20:31:25 <AinNero> run `update-extlinux` to write the config to /boot then
2018-08-23 20:33:56 <sphex> AinNero: thanks! Gonna check this out. I was thinking of doing a "mount -o remount /" at some point during boot, but it would probably be better if it was mounted with the right options earlier.
2018-08-23 20:35:46 <sphex> I don't know if I'm using "extlinux" or not right now though.
2018-08-23 20:36:23 <AinNero> you need to get the rootflags into the kernel boot param line somehow
2018-08-23 20:36:30 <AinNero> the grub method is different
2018-08-24 03:15:52 <red-dot> Hello everyone. Does anyone have an idea of what might cause a mount failure just before things are turned over to openrc?
2018-08-24 03:16:29 <red-dot> I can get past this by manually mounting the disk on /sysroot, but it will not do so automatically, and I cannot seem to figure out where this is controlled.
2018-08-24 03:17:38 <red-dot> mounting it from the initram fall-back shell that is...
2018-08-24 03:17:46 <red-dot> then exiting, and all works normally
2018-08-24 03:18:03 <red-dot> it is a 32bit ext4, so it should not be a syslinux problem
2018-08-24 03:18:29 <red-dot> this is with the latest 3.8.0 release on a 32 bit Mac mini
2018-08-24 03:22:11 <TBB> is your update-extlinux.conf (or bootloader config) up to date?
2018-08-24 03:26:13 <red-dot> I will check. What is it that I would be looking for in update-extlinux.conf?
2018-08-24 03:29:45 <TBB> pretty much anything that would explain why the boot fails, such as how it points to the root partition
2018-08-24 03:31:03 <TBB> I don't have active Alpine setups right here where I could check, but in that emergency shell you can do "cat /proc/cmdline" to see how the boot is attempted, and if its contents don't look like enough for a successful boot, then that's your problem right there
2018-08-24 03:32:36 <red-dot> TBB: thanks, great hint. The machine is busy with some I/O at the moment (in the other OS); as soon as it is done I will check. Thanks.
2018-08-24 04:07:53 <red-dot> The command line is: \\boot\vmlinuz ro root=/dev/sda3 initrd=boot\initramfs-vanilla
2018-08-24 04:08:29 <red-dot> my guess is that it might be that double backslash, since the initramfs seems to work, but I cannot find where that "\\" might be coming from
2018-08-24 06:36:38 <maerwald> there is no llvm package?
2018-08-24 06:37:14 <maerwald> https://pkgs.alpinelinux.org/packages?name=llvm&branch=v3.8
2018-08-24 07:29:51 <AinNero> maerwald: what about https://pkgs.alpinelinux.org/packages?name=*llvm*&branch=v3.8 ?
2018-08-24 07:32:06 <maerwald> thought it's a fuzzy search, lol
2018-08-24 08:51:34 <danieli> it does exact match by default
2018-08-24 13:30:08 <jomat> latest gimp 2.10.6-r0 can't make screenshots or handle .png files :-( am i missing something like gimp-extras?
2018-08-24 13:32:01 <jomat> oh... fixed it
2018-08-24 13:32:06 <AinNero> how?
2018-08-24 13:32:42 <jomat> it seems latest update broke something there, so i tried de- and reinstalling it
2018-08-24 15:32:05 <maerwald> anyone proper ghc bindists for alpine?
2018-08-24 21:32:32 <atralheaven> Hi, can I run alpine linux with gnome 3 from ram? would it be noticeably faster than running it from a PCI SSD? btw I have 16GB ram
2018-08-25 11:45:32 <terra> samba package is useless after last ldb update (1.3.5-r2). ldb needs to be upgraded and samba needs to rebuild against it.
2018-08-25 11:46:25 <terra> I have a PR about this but seems didn't enough attention. https://github.com/alpinelinux/aports/pull/5045
2018-08-25 11:46:51 <terra> *get
2018-08-25 17:44:12 <edd_lc> how do i install an apk in /usr/local under alpine? running docker postgres:9.6-alpine and trying to add plpythonu2 extension (python) but postgres is installed in /usr/local and when i `apk add postgres-plpythonu2` it dumps it in /usr. if i go down the soft link rabbit hole, it gets bad as I need a bunch of other apk dependencies which all _should_ go into /usr/local
2018-08-25 18:03:44 <_ikke_> edd_lc: You'd have to adjust the APKBUILD for the package and build it
2018-08-25 18:14:31 <edd_lc> _ikke_: Cheers, I'll give that a shot
2018-08-25 18:38:28 <programmerq> edd_lc▸ FYI, the alpine variants of the python image don't use the alpine python packages. Might be better off using a straight up alpine image and installing the python and postgres-plpythonu2 apks
2018-08-25 18:45:53 <edd_lc> programmerq: You mean use the alpine:3.8 docker image? The goal is getting PostgreSQL installed on it to replace our CentOS "bare-metal" installation. And the postgres:x.y-alpine adds some useful post apk installation steps.
2018-08-25 18:46:59 <programmerq> ah, I may have misunderstood what your starting state was.
2018-08-25 18:51:52 <edd_lc> it seems odd, to me (with little knowledge), why the postgreSQL team decided to modify the alpine APKBUILD scripts for their docker image to have their product stay under /usr/local. A docker image's intent is already meant to be isolated from other services. What's the harm in leaving the default prefix at /usr
2018-08-25 18:52:17 <edd_lc> It would certainly have helped me today
2018-08-25 18:55:51 <edd_lc> If I had to guess, force of habit
2018-08-25 19:51:07 <programmerq> edd_lc▸ most of the official images are from source and not from the distro's packages. If you want to use packages from a distro, that's fine but you'd have to start with a pure alpine image and not an alpine variant of some other image.
2018-08-25 19:54:26 <edd_lc> programmerq: Yeah, I'm running into trouble doing either. Took postgresql:9.6-alpine dockerfile but I can't easily change it from /usr/local to /usr without breaking things. Tried looking up postgresql-plpython2 (the package I'm trying to install) but I can't find it in https://github.com/alpinelinux/aports to edit its APKBUILD
2018-08-25 19:56:38 <edd_lc> and I don't know how (if at all possible) to get from an .apk to the APKBUILD. Just extracting it using tar yields nothing intelligible to me
2018-08-25 20:00:02 <programmerq> the .apk is the artifact
2018-08-25 20:04:07 <edd_lc> so, if postgresql-plpythonu2 isn't in https://github.com/alpinelinux/aports, I can't see or edit its APKBUILD to make it install in /usr/local instead of /usr
2018-08-25 20:05:36 <programmerq> which repository is the postgresql-plpythonu2 alpine package in?
2018-08-25 20:08:10 <programmerq> on my alpine 3.8 installation I can't find it in main nor community
2018-08-25 20:08:53 <AinNero> https://pkgs.alpinelinux.org/packages?name=postgresql-plp*&branch=edge&arch=x86_64
2018-08-25 20:09:13 <programmerq> ah, the u was a typo
2018-08-25 20:09:39 <AinNero> use a '*' if you are unsure about spelling
2018-08-25 20:09:51 <programmerq> I was going 100% on what you said you were installing
2018-08-25 20:10:18 <AinNero> oh, im a different person
2018-08-25 20:10:31 <programmerq> oh, sorry
2018-08-25 20:10:38 <programmerq> 
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2018-08-25 20:11:14 <programmerq> edd_lc▸ from the pkgs.alpinelinux.org site, you can find the location of the apkbuild there.
2018-08-25 20:12:03 <programmerq> but honestly, you should either pick between installing everything from source (docker image does this for postgres) or installing from apk. compiling the apk with a different install location may or may not work with the from-source installation.
2018-08-25 20:15:52 <edd_lc> programmerq: Truly, that's what I'm trying to do. Each had a hurdle or two which I've yet to overcome. Taking the postgres docker image doesn't include plpython. Installing postgresql on top of a bare alpine misses a bunch of friendly configuration from postgres' dockerfile. I'll try again with bare alpine
2018-08-25 20:16:02 <smiddi> hi there
2018-08-25 20:16:46 <smiddi> new to alpine, want to install udhcpd:  root@alpine:/etc/network$ apk add dhcpd
2018-08-25 20:16:49 <smiddi> ERROR: unsatisfiable constraints:
2018-08-25 20:16:51 <smiddi>   dhcpd (missing):
2018-08-25 20:16:54 <smiddi>     required by: world[dhcpd]
2018-08-25 20:17:14 <smiddi> same with apk add udhcpd
2018-08-25 20:17:22 <AinNero> udhcpd is part of busybox
2018-08-25 20:17:55 <AinNero> ah wait
2018-08-25 20:18:01 <AinNero> udhcpc is
2018-08-25 20:18:55 <AinNero> udhcpd is in busybox-extras
2018-08-25 20:20:45 <smiddi> thanks!
2018-08-25 20:21:10 <smiddi> how do i know the next time?
2018-08-25 20:22:31 <AinNero> search for "udhcpd" on the web, find https://udhcp.busybox.net/, see its part of busybox now
2018-08-25 20:22:51 <AinNero> plus knowledge that some applets live in busybox-extras
2018-08-25 20:23:15 <smiddi> root@alpine:/etc/network$ apk add dhcpd
2018-08-25 20:23:15 <smiddi> ERROR: unsatisfiable constraints:
2018-08-25 20:23:15 <smiddi>   dhcpd (missing):
2018-08-25 20:23:25 <smiddi> arghhhh, sorry
2018-08-25 20:23:36 <smiddi> AinNero: thanks
2018-08-25 20:23:43 <AinNero> also, you can search for package contents on https://pkgs.alpinelinux.org/contents?file=udhcpd&path=&name=&branch=edge
2018-08-25 20:24:19 <smiddi> i tried apk search udhcpd  :-(
2018-08-25 20:25:20 <AinNero> busybox is one of the few places where searching wont work
2018-08-25 20:25:24 <AinNero> because of the symlinks
2018-08-25 20:25:35 <AinNero> the
2018-08-25 20:26:35 <AinNero> (i dont know where the "the" came from)
2018-08-25 20:31:16 <smiddi> if here is someone with a wiki-account: https://wiki.alpinelinux.org/wiki/Wireless_AP_with_udhcpd_and_NAT
2018-08-25 20:32:03 <smiddi> the line "apk add hostapd udhcpd iptables" could be changed
2018-08-25 20:34:11 <AinNero> surely be wrong
2018-08-25 20:34:23 <AinNero> udhcpd hasn't been an independent project for 16 years now..
2018-08-25 20:41:48 <atralheaven> Hi, can I run alpine linux with a DE like gnome 3 from ram? would it be noticeably faster than running it from a PCI SSD? btw I have 16GB ram.
2018-08-25 20:47:12 <AinNero> atralheaven: you could try it out
2018-08-25 20:47:35 <AinNero> but personally, if i wanted to use gnome 3, i'd rather not use an non-systemd distro
2018-08-25 20:49:22 <atralheaven> oh I forgot about systemd... which DEs can I use with alpine linux?
2018-08-25 20:49:47 <AinNero> gnome is packaged
2018-08-25 20:49:54 <AinNero> so you can use it on alpine
2018-08-25 20:50:16 <atralheaven> can I install it to a flash drive and then boot it to ram?
2018-08-25 20:51:06 <AinNero> uhm, with alpine, booting into ram is sort of installing a fresh system from scratch in ram
2018-08-25 20:51:07 <atralheaven> and do you think 16gb ram is enough for that?
2018-08-25 20:51:15 <AinNero> no idea
2018-08-25 20:51:58 <AinNero> what i previously meant, gnome devs are rather focused on systemd
2018-08-25 20:52:24 <atralheaven> mmm so no persistent changes when it's booted from ram?
2018-08-25 20:52:46 <AinNero> there is the lbu/apkovl mechanism
2018-08-25 20:52:49 <AinNero> to save your things
2018-08-25 20:53:22 <atralheaven> everything? like a normal install on HDD?
2018-08-25 20:53:45 <AinNero> no, just the configuration in /etc and other things you want to save
2018-08-25 20:54:00 <AinNero> what is your goal?
2018-08-25 20:55:09 <atralheaven> I thought it would be great if I could have a faster system by booting it from ram
2018-08-25 20:55:28 <atralheaven> for usual desktop usage
2018-08-25 20:55:37 <AinNero> i think the disk cache makes the difference between disk and RAM minimal
2018-08-25 20:56:03 <atralheaven> most of my 16gb ram is always empty
2018-08-25 20:56:05 <AinNero> like, if you have 16 gigabytes of RAM, then the kernel will surely have the whole DE in RAM after a few minutes of use
2018-08-25 20:56:35 <AinNero> how did you measure "empty" ?
2018-08-25 20:56:57 <atralheaven> in alpine, or other distros?
2018-08-25 20:57:04 <atralheaven> system monitor
2018-08-25 20:57:20 <atralheaven> by empty I mean not used
2018-08-25 20:57:48 <AinNero> ram space on linux is different
2018-08-25 20:57:58 <AinNero> "not used" can also mean its used for disk cache
2018-08-25 20:58:55 <AinNero> yeah, i just tested, gnome-system-monitor shows disk cache as "unused memory"
2018-08-25 20:59:17 <AinNero> so you might already be running from RAM
2018-08-25 21:00:02 <atralheaven> is there a way to check it?
2018-08-25 21:00:28 <AinNero> do `free -m`, check the "cached" row
2018-08-25 21:00:30 <AinNero> *column
2018-08-25 21:00:50 <atralheaven> thank you
2018-08-25 21:02:50 <AinNero> also, the disk cache is a feature of the linux kernel, so every linux distro will secretly use leftover RAM to keep frequently used files in memory
2018-08-25 21:08:11 <sircmpwn> hey, after I make a package locally for a third-party repo, how can I update the remote APKINDEX?
2018-08-25 21:09:27 <AinNero> im also interested in learning how to do that
2018-08-25 21:31:56 <anbraten> Can and how do I use inittab for running a tool on boot in my docker container?
2018-08-25 21:34:10 <sircmpwn> you probably want to specify CMD in your Dockerfile
2018-08-25 21:36:47 <anbraten> But I can only run one cmd this way.
2018-08-25 21:39:30 <rain1> when i try to use grub install inside my alpine installation i get : grub-install: error: /usr/lib/grub/i386-pc/modinfo.sh doesn't exist. Please specify --target or --directory.. but apk search modinfo.sh and find / -iname modinfo.sh i do not see that file anywhere
2018-08-25 21:40:36 <rain1> nvm, i needed grub-bios
2018-08-25 21:42:30 <sircmpwn> anbraten: so run a script?
2018-08-25 22:03:27 <anbraten> A script wont restart that service.
2018-08-25 22:05:06 <sircmpwn> inittab has never been a lifecycle management tool
2018-08-25 22:05:18 <sircmpwn> the reason I'm dodging your question is because it's fundamentally wrong
2018-08-25 22:05:27 <sircmpwn> docker handles "boot" differently from a proper linux installation
2018-08-25 22:05:46 <sircmpwn> if you want to run a service manager you need to do that before you consider adding services to it
2018-08-25 22:06:25 <sircmpwn> look into running openrc or s6 on docker, there are probably articles around, then rc-update or whatever as necessary
2018-08-25 22:06:33 <sircmpwn> but that's probably overkill, just write a script
2018-08-25 22:06:50 <sircmpwn> and for the record scripts can restart the service as many times as they want, they're turing complete
2018-08-25 22:06:53 <anbraten> Okay I see. I need to run /usr/sbin/iaxmodem ttyIAX0 and /usr/sbin/faxgetty ttyIAX0 and hylafax aswell
2018-08-25 22:07:52 <sircmpwn> if you want to access a modem on the host you will have to do extra work
2018-08-25 22:08:14 <sircmpwn> there's some docker flag that I can't recall at the moment which you'll have to use to pass the device node into the container
2018-08-25 22:09:12 <anbraten> For what do I need that flag?
2018-08-25 22:09:24 <sircmpwn> I just told you -_-
2018-08-25 22:11:38 <anbraten> Sorry, but I am not getting this. Imho I connect via iax2 to a server and create a local device as modem and hylafax connects to that device?
2018-08-25 22:11:55 <sircmpwn> oh, I misunderstood your approach, disregard the device flag stuff
2018-08-25 22:15:36 <anbraten> Okay. Don't think that should be to much of a problem. So I set a script as cmd. How would you run these three commands inside of it? Just with "...&"?
2018-08-25 22:15:44 <sircmpwn> sure
2018-08-25 22:15:59 <sircmpwn> you can also kill them periodically and restart them accordingly if you want some basic service management
2018-08-25 22:16:06 <anbraten> Okay that seems super ez. ;)
2018-08-25 22:16:14 <sircmpwn> kill as in /bin/kill
2018-08-25 23:01:35 <Latrina> good evening
2018-08-25 23:02:11 <Latrina> I tried to install alpine with luks full disk encryption following part of this guide https://wiki.alpinelinux.org/wiki/Setting_up_a_laptop
2018-08-25 23:02:17 <Latrina> however it is broken to the core
2018-08-25 23:02:52 <Latrina> will full disk encryption ever be part of the installer?
2018-08-25 23:03:13 <sircmpwn> imo the installer is only useful in a very narrow set of circumstances
2018-08-25 23:03:20 <sircmpwn> just ditch it and sling everything manually if you want to customize things
2018-08-25 23:03:36 <Latrina> Tomorrow I will see if I can create a stage4 rootfs + kernel by boostrapping the binaries as I do for arm
2018-08-25 23:03:43 <sircmpwn> here's a script I use to generate alpine images https://git.sr.ht/~sircmpwn/builds.sr.ht/tree/images/alpine/genimg
2018-08-25 23:03:49 <Latrina> thanks man
2018-08-25 23:03:51 <sircmpwn> np
2018-08-25 23:04:40 <Latrina> I have put up a guide for the rpi3
2018-08-25 23:04:47 <Latrina> let me see if I can find it
2018-08-25 23:04:56 <Latrina> though this is for amd64 for vbox
2018-08-25 23:05:59 <Latrina> there you go https://gist.github.com/psammarco/1a444019869eb7acedb9b4bf495cc831
2018-08-25 23:06:30 <Latrina> I will take a look at your script tomorrow :)
2018-08-25 23:09:32 <smiddi> is there a way to start a service as the very last on system start up
2018-08-25 23:10:06 <sircmpwn> for what reason
2018-08-25 23:11:05 <smiddi> for iptables: it must start _after_ the network interfaces are configured
2018-08-25 23:11:13 <sircmpwn> so start it after network interfaces are configured
2018-08-25 23:11:25 <sircmpwn> that doesn't need to be last
2018-08-25 23:11:30 <smiddi> yeah, how?
2018-08-25 23:11:35 <sircmpwn> depend() {
2018-08-25 23:11:37 <sircmpwn>     need net
2018-08-25 23:11:39 <sircmpwn> }
2018-08-25 23:11:53 <smiddi> where to write the to?
2018-08-25 23:11:58 <smiddi> that
2018-08-25 23:12:02 <sircmpwn> the init script in question
2018-08-25 23:12:17 <smiddi> ah ok
2018-08-25 23:12:23 <sircmpwn> if there's some sort of packaged alpine init script for iptables which doesn't wait for the net to come up, you should report that as a bug
2018-08-25 23:14:15 <smiddi> what i have here: if i let iptables start as a service on startup, one interface will get no ip and stuff from a dhcp server
2018-08-25 23:14:52 <pardis> That probably means you're missing iptables rules to allow DHCP
2018-08-25 23:15:16 <pardis> iptables is supposed to come up before you configure IP addresses, otherwise there is a window during which packets can bypass your firewall rules
2018-08-25 23:15:27 <sircmpwn> oh right, duh
2018-08-25 23:15:55 <smiddi> the rules are just for NAT   https://www.revsys.com/writings/quicktips/nat.html
2018-08-25 23:16:42 <smiddi> the one dhcp-interface is for wan. the other if is static and for lan
2018-08-25 23:18:44 <pardis> Well, it definitely sounds like iptables is blocking DHCP somehow, so I'd look into that
2018-08-25 23:19:02 <pardis> Fixing it by changing the boot order isn't going to help because eventually your system will need to renew its DHCP lease and fail to do that anyway
2018-08-25 23:19:18 <smiddi> hrm
2018-08-25 23:21:02 <smiddi> there are just these 3 rules:
2018-08-25 23:21:10 <smiddi> /sbin/iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o eth0 -j MASQUERADE
2018-08-25 23:21:23 <smiddi> /sbin/iptables -A FORWARD -i eth0 -o eth1 -m state
2018-08-25 23:21:24 <smiddi>    --state RELATED,ESTABLISHED -j ACCEPT
2018-08-25 23:21:31 <smiddi> /sbin/iptables -A FORWARD -i eth1 -o eth0 -j ACCEPT
2018-08-25 23:22:04 <smiddi> is this apout the masqerading?
2018-08-25 23:22:10 <smiddi> s/p/b
2018-08-25 23:23:08 <pardis> It might be, I don't know off the top of my head how -j MASQUERADE will behave on an interface with no IP address
2018-08-25 23:23:39 <pardis> You could try removing that rule and see if it works to be sure
2018-08-25 23:25:17 <smiddi> i'll try
2018-08-25 23:35:15 <sircmpwn> AinNero: I figured out a somewhat reasonable solution, I'm running apk index on the remote side, downloading the unsigned APKINDEX.tar.gz, then signing it locally and reuploading it (all with a script so it's not annoying)
2018-08-25 23:44:44 <smiddi> so, masquerade is not (alone) the problem. iptables startet at startup without rules makes no problems. but started at startup with the rules for NAT, eth0 gets no ip via udhcpc
2018-08-26 11:12:21 <bart-> hi
2018-08-26 16:04:20 <Latrina> I am getting crazy to get grub mounting a luks encrypted /
2018-08-26 16:04:31 <Latrina>  does the initramfs-virt contains the LUKS/ LVM modules ?
2018-08-26 16:04:40 <Latrina> this is what I have as grub.cfg https://pastebin.com/VDmVwTVk
2018-08-26 16:05:08 <Latrina>  it is a GPT layout, with a swap and root encrypted in sda3, and  /boot is unencrypted fat sda2
2018-08-26 16:05:13 <Latrina> been trying since yesterday
2018-08-26 16:05:54 <Latrina> I have enven tried syslinux but I get this
2018-08-26 16:06:00 <Latrina>   WARNING: Root device is not specified in /etc/update-extlinux.conf.
2018-08-26 16:06:13 <unmy> Latrina, last time I checked grub was working fine with luks on single partition but had to type passphrase twice
2018-08-26 16:06:26 <Latrina> unmy: I dont really mind that
2018-08-26 16:07:09 <Latrina> as root do I need to put the lvm root volume or the luks partition rather?
2018-08-26 16:07:16 <Latrina> on syslinux
2018-08-26 16:07:31 <Latrina> I mean I have done this on gentoo countless of times...
2018-08-26 16:09:22 <Latrina> FATAL: no bootable medium found...
2018-08-26 16:09:25 <Latrina> fml...
2018-08-26 16:09:32 <unmy> Latrina, you using GRUB and not syslinux
2018-08-26 16:09:44 <Latrina> I am trying both
2018-08-26 16:09:47 <unmy> you need to properly do grub-install
2018-08-26 16:10:01 <Latrina> I did that, but I get the same result
2018-08-26 16:10:54 <Latrina> since grub is in /boot, and boot is in sda2 (fat unencrypted)
2018-08-26 16:11:05 <Latrina> I did  grub-install --force /dev/sda2
2018-08-26 16:11:10 <Latrina> gave no error
2018-08-26 16:11:34 <Latrina> but than when I try to boot the system it cannot find a bootable device
2018-08-26 16:11:43 <unmy> Latrina, http://wiki.alpinelinux.org/wiki/LVM_on_LUKS
2018-08-26 16:12:13 <unmy> there in features you need add ext4 and you have fat, maybe need add module which support fat
2018-08-26 16:13:40 <Latrina> I can see I had  cryptsetup missing as module for mkinitifs
2018-08-26 16:13:54 <Latrina> perhaps that was the issue. I will give it a proper read, thanks
2018-08-26 16:14:02 <unmy> good luck!
2018-08-26 16:14:31 <Latrina> thanks man
2018-08-27 19:52:11 <CreativeNotice_> Sure is quite
2018-08-27 19:52:21 <CreativeNotice_> quiet even lol
2018-08-27 19:52:26 <_ikke_> Some moments it's more quiet then others
2018-08-27 19:53:05 <CreativeNotice_> First time here, just starting with Alpine in Docker. Really great environment, like it a lot so far.
2018-08-27 19:54:22 <CreativeNotice_> Am having issue using fstab so thought I'd see if anyone here has tackled a similar issue.
2018-08-27 19:55:02 <CreativeNotice_> I can use mount -a with no issues. But can not get it to mount on boot when I start up the docker container.
2018-08-27 19:55:31 <CreativeNotice_> No errors that I can find, just doesn't mount, and running mount -a after boot works fine.
2018-08-27 19:57:01 <_ikke_> What are you trying to mount?
2018-08-27 19:57:07 <_ikke_> Ah
2018-08-27 19:57:17 <_ikke_> note that start a docker container is not like booting a machine
2018-08-27 19:57:27 <_ikke_> so there is nothing reading fstabe
2018-08-27 19:57:29 <_ikke_> -e
2018-08-27 19:57:51 <_ikke_> sorry, cannot type atm :P
2018-08-27 20:01:32 <CreativeNotice_> yeah, figured so. I've tried passing in RUN mount -a via the Dockerfile but no joy.
2018-08-27 20:02:02 <_ikke_> No, because that is executed when the image is created
2018-08-27 20:02:07 <_ikke_> an entirely different moment
2018-08-27 20:02:58 <_ikke_> CreativeNotice_: This is btw very docker related, but when you start the docker container, a single process is executed. This process should take care of everything
2018-08-27 20:05:27 <CreativeNotice_> Ok, so just to confirm, when not in a Docker env, would you expect Alpine to run fstab on boot or would one need to config a particular service to start?
2018-08-27 20:13:32 <_ikke_> It's executed on boot
2018-08-27 20:13:37 <CreativeNotice_> I've also tried running "rc-update add netmount" at boot but no effect there either.
2018-08-27 20:14:02 <_ikke_> localmount (or whatever it's called)
2018-08-27 20:14:09 <_ikke_> netmount is for things like nfs
2018-08-27 20:16:52 <_ikke_> but this requires an init system to be running, which is also not the case
2018-08-27 20:20:48 <CreativeNotice_> What init system is commonly used in Alpine?
2018-08-27 20:21:51 <CreativeNotice_> I thought it was rc
2018-08-27 20:21:59 <jn__> CreativeNotice_: openrc
2018-08-27 20:25:45 <_ikke_> CreativeNotice_: I was talking about when running a process in docker
2018-08-27 20:26:05 <_ikke_> CreativeNotice_: what docker does is just starting a process, but this process is isolated from the rest of the system
2018-08-27 20:26:31 <_ikke_> so there is no initialization done except for what this single process does
2018-08-27 20:29:40 <CreativeNotice_> ah
2018-08-27 20:52:10 <CompanionCube> so i recently did an apk upgrade, and now there's a problem with file permissions with the egg-info directory on an installed python package
2018-08-27 20:53:03 <CompanionCube> specifically /usr/lib/python3.6/site-packages/fail2ban-0.10.3.fix1-py3.6.egg-info grants read access only to root, which is breaking other software that tries to read from PKG-INFO in that directory.
2018-08-27 20:53:17 <mps> anyone can give hint/url to setup hotplug-ed network devices
2018-08-27 20:55:12 <_ikke_> CompanionCube: let me see
2018-08-27 20:55:19 <_ikke_> is it the fail2ban package?
2018-08-27 20:56:42 <CompanionCube> yes
2018-08-27 20:57:08 <mps> hotplugged is mentioned on the https://wiki.alpinelinux.org/wiki/Alpine_Linux_Init_System but is ambiguos for me
2018-08-27 20:57:48 <CompanionCube> (well, the thing breaking isn't fail2ban if that's what you meant)
2018-08-27 20:58:21 <_ikke_> Well, fail2ban is responsible for that dir
2018-08-27 20:59:07 <CompanionCube> so do i have to go bug upstream?
2018-08-27 20:59:22 <_ikke_> CompanionCube: i'll do a quick check for you, hold on
2018-08-27 21:12:20 <_ikke_> CompanionCube: Looks like it's packages incorrectly
2018-08-27 21:13:06 <CompanionCube> so, bug upstream?
2018-08-27 21:14:35 <_ikke_> yea, looks like it
2018-08-27 21:14:55 <_ikke_> the package runs setup.py, so there it's set incorrectly
2018-08-27 21:15:22 <_ikke_> (of course, it could be patched in the package, but it should ultimately fixed upstream)
2018-08-27 21:17:47 <_ikke_> ftr: http://tpaste.us/lW0w
2018-08-27 22:04:18 <anbraten> Can I somehow use /etc/init.d/xxx scripts in container (docker) version?
2018-08-27 22:05:04 <_ikke_> anbraten: they require openrc to be running, which isn't the case by default
2018-08-27 22:06:53 <anbraten> mhh already tried to get it to work without init.d script, but that is more complicated than I thought
2018-08-27 22:09:40 <anbraten> Is supervisor an alternative?
2018-08-27 22:15:00 <_ikke_> sure
2018-08-27 23:10:57 <Shiz> can't you just set the binary you want to execute as entrypoint?
2018-08-28 05:57:54 <azarus> With the new OpenSSH 7.8 I can't connect to my OpenSSH 7.7 server anymore
2018-08-28 05:58:05 <azarus> (on alpine linux edge)
2018-08-28 05:58:21 <azarus> This is always the erro message:
2018-08-28 06:00:31 <azarus> This is always the error message:
2018-08-28 06:00:32 <azarus> packet_write_wait: Connection to 5.44.125.181 port 443: Broken pipe
2018-08-28 06:00:54 <azarus> It happens after this stage:
2018-08-28 06:01:20 <azarus> Authenticated to example.com (5.44.125.181...
2018-08-28 06:01:28 <azarus> So authentication seems to work
2018-08-28 06:02:09 <_ikke_>  azarus did you also check the logs on the server?
2018-08-28 06:02:26 <azarus> Wasn't able to, couldn't connect anymore.
2018-08-28 06:02:40 <azarus> But now I can; should I check authlog?
2018-08-28 06:03:24 <azarus> Authlog says it accepts the key.
2018-08-28 06:03:47 <_ikke_> but nothing else?
2018-08-28 06:04:09 <azarus> nope
2018-08-28 06:05:26 <azarus> i'll try 7.7 again
2018-08-28 06:05:55 <azarus> works like a charm
2018-08-28 06:06:13 <azarus> (i just downloaded the .apk from 3.8)
2018-08-28 06:06:38 <_ikke_> interesting
2018-08-28 06:06:42 <azarus> off to bugs.alpinelinux.org I go
2018-08-28 06:09:02 <clandmeter> ssh on port 443?
2018-08-28 06:09:13 <azarus> yes
2018-08-28 06:09:17 <azarus> besides the issue
2018-08-28 06:09:36 <clandmeter> im asking because it looks strange.
2018-08-28 06:09:46 <azarus> yup, i've had it that way for years
2018-08-28 06:09:51 <azarus> reduces spam in logs
2018-08-28 06:10:11 <clandmeter> redirect to /dev/null limits it even more
2018-08-28 06:10:22 <azarus> haha, of course.
2018-08-28 06:10:52 <azarus> but really -- didn't anyone else experience the same?
2018-08-28 06:11:09 <clandmeter> .8 is edge and .7 stable?
2018-08-28 06:11:12 <azarus> yes
2018-08-28 06:11:24 <clandmeter> not that i know
2018-08-28 06:11:40 <_ikke_> some kind of ssh config?
2018-08-28 06:11:42 <_ikke_> hardening
2018-08-28 06:11:44 <_ikke_> ?
2018-08-28 06:11:48 <azarus> nothing special
2018-08-28 06:12:17 <azarus> the options I use:
2018-08-28 06:12:24 <azarus> AddKeysToAgent yes
2018-08-28 06:12:30 <azarus> HostName <blah>
2018-08-28 06:12:34 <azarus> Port <blah>
2018-08-28 06:12:40 <azarus> IdentityFile <blah>
2018-08-28 06:12:47 <azarus> that's everything
2018-08-28 09:17:13 <tya99> so i am looking at this here https://wiki.alpinelinux.org/wiki/Setting_up_ZFS_on_LUKS
2018-08-28 09:17:30 <tya99> there's no reason i shouldn't be able to use a disk-less install of AlpineLinux, ie from a USB stick
2018-08-28 09:17:33 <azarus> tya99: yup I wrote it
2018-08-28 09:17:38 <tya99> import a zfs pool, opencryptsetup
2018-08-28 09:17:52 <tya99> i got the feeling i can't boot from the pool but that's okay
2018-08-28 09:17:55 <azarus> thing is you don't have the zfs modules on a live installation
2018-08-28 09:18:01 <tya99> if my 'root' is just on the usb stick then it should be fine
2018-08-28 09:18:02 <azarus> and /lib/modules is read only
2018-08-28 09:18:16 <tya99> because if it died i could always just copy my apkprov to a new usb stick and restart the server
2018-08-28 09:18:29 <tya99> i was just going to use the pool for storing virtual machines on
2018-08-28 09:18:52 <tya99> like so alpinelinux boots in diskless mode, starts libvirtd
2018-08-28 09:19:07 <tya99> and then my virtual machines are stored in a luks encrypted zfs pool
2018-08-28 09:19:20 <tya99> azarus: that would work okay wouldn't it
2018-08-28 09:19:30 <azarus> i've never tried such a setup
2018-08-28 09:19:34 <tya99> the bootloader would only need support for FAT32 which is fine
2018-08-28 09:19:44 <azarus> but it doesn't sound impossible
2018-08-28 09:19:45 <tya99> i don't really like using sys installs
2018-08-28 09:20:12 <tya99> basically the root would have libvirtd, openssh, and zfs and that's it pretty much
2018-08-28 09:20:31 <tya99> because that way i could have different VMs running, i like debian for some reasons
2018-08-28 09:20:36 <tya99> and i prefer archlinux for others
2018-08-28 09:20:55 <tya99> but i don't really like either as a hypervisor system
2018-08-28 09:21:06 <tya99> i prefer alpine for that because it is minimal
2018-08-28 09:21:14 <tya99> in the past i had installed freebsd on raidz2
2018-08-28 09:21:26 <tya99> azarus: do you know if i could do raidz2?
2018-08-28 09:21:32 <tya99> 6x4TB disks
2018-08-28 09:21:39 <azarus> tya99: I used raidz2 for a while
2018-08-28 09:22:01 <tya99> so really it shouldn't be difficult at all
2018-08-28 09:22:11 <azarus> just like any other zpool
2018-08-28 09:22:15 <tya99> the 'root' is on the USB stick, and its so minimal
2018-08-28 09:22:31 <tya99> sure not redundant, but it is so small i could copy it to a usb stick any time i feel like and reboot on a new stick
2018-08-28 09:22:40 <tya99> its only an internal server anyway
2018-08-28 09:22:57 <tya99> so 100% uptime isn't a necessary thing i have to worry about
2018-08-28 09:23:51 <tya99> so technically it would be easier than what you have
2018-08-28 09:23:59 <tya99> because i wouldn't need to create a partition for /boot/
2018-08-28 09:24:06 <tya99> because that would all be on the stick
2018-08-28 09:24:30 <tya99> the pool itself would really only have one dataset
2018-08-28 09:24:37 <tya99> rootzfs/vm
2018-08-28 09:24:51 <tya99> and i might have say rootzfs/public or something
2018-08-28 09:25:06 <tya99> i should be able to access rootzfs/public via 9P
2018-08-28 09:25:29 <tya99> ie https://www.linux-kvm.org/page/9p_virtio
2018-08-28 09:25:45 <tya99> iirc alpinelinux has good support for zfs and libvirtd
2018-08-28 09:26:07 <tya99> then i could connect to my archlinux vm or my debian vm using virt-manager
2018-08-28 09:26:10 <tya99> or just ssh directly
2018-08-28 09:27:59 <tya99> azarus: i could mount the crypt volumes using a key in initramfs
2018-08-28 09:28:16 <azarus> you could
2018-08-28 09:28:24 <tya99> which is encrypted because its in apkprov (encrypted obviously not when in RAM)
2018-08-28 09:28:32 <tya99> but yeah thats not something i have to worry about
2018-08-28 09:28:50 <tya99> i guess thats how i could avoid putting in the password for each disk in the array
2018-08-28 09:29:13 <tya99> i was looking at https://linux.arantius.com/installing-gentoo-into-a-luks-encrypted-zfs-root
2018-08-28 09:29:21 <tya99> and i saw how they did it, don't like that idea at all
2018-08-28 09:30:00 <tya99> could even have a second usb stick which has the keys on it :)
2018-08-28 09:30:07 <tya99> which must be mounted before the zpool will unlock
2018-08-28 09:30:17 <tya99> boot off USB stick A
2018-08-28 09:30:25 <tya99> mount B in fstab
2018-08-28 09:30:36 <tya99> hmm actually thats probably not a good idea
2018-08-28 09:30:50 <tya99> because it wouldn't automatically mount, where as if i just recompiled initramfs it would
2018-08-28 09:31:03 <tya99> ie like cryptboot in archlinux
2018-08-28 09:32:02 <tya99> https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Dm-crypt/Device_encryption#With_a_keyfile_embedded_in_the_initramfs
2018-08-28 09:32:04 <tya99> ie like that
2018-08-28 09:32:21 <tya99> Warning: Use an embedded keyfile only if you have some form of authentication mechanism beforehand that protects the keyfile sufficiently. Otherwise auto-decryption will occur, defeating completely the purpose of block device encryption.
2018-08-28 09:32:27 <tya99> in this case the authentication mechanism is lbu
2018-08-28 09:32:44 <tya99> well openssl, because the apkprov.tar.gz is encrypted with 256aes cbc
2018-08-28 09:35:01 <tya99> i assume i can tell syslinux to use a key ie like rd.luks.key
2018-08-28 09:35:14 <tya99> i wonder if that means i can use LUKS2
2018-08-28 09:35:29 <tya99> because with archlinux i had to use LUKS1 for my boot because grub can only open LUKS1 partitions
2018-08-28 09:35:47 <tya99> but then my actual archlinux install is LUKS2 because once boot is open then i can do that
2018-08-28 09:37:13 <tya99> https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/cryptboot/ i use that
2018-08-28 09:37:23 <tya99> https://github.com/xmikos/cryptboot awesome little tool
2018-08-28 09:37:41 <tya99> maybe i should package that for alpinelinux
2018-08-28 09:38:07 <tya99> actually its not really necessary with alpinelinux
2018-08-28 09:38:30 <tya99> because that is for an encrypted boot, i probably won't worry about doing that
2018-08-28 09:38:35 <tya99> as ill be using diskless
2018-08-28 09:39:17 <tya99> that really only changes when alpinelinux goes from 3.9 to say 3.10
2018-08-28 09:39:26 <tya99> when that happens i will just zpool export
2018-08-28 09:39:33 <tya99> and zpool import on the new version hey azarus
2018-08-28 09:39:54 <tya99> sorry if i seem like i am monologging i am just planning how this might work
2018-08-28 09:41:35 <tya99> i can keep my PK and KEK inside my apkprov as well
2018-08-28 09:42:09 <tya99> just chmod it to 600
2018-08-28 12:31:32 <mijndert> flood
2018-08-28 13:07:25 <danieli> wow, that's a flood
2018-08-28 13:07:46 <danieli> tya99: did you just flood an insane amount of messages, or are you talking to someone I've ignored?
2018-08-28 13:08:21 <azarus> tya99: monologue
2018-08-28 13:08:29 <azarus> danieli: ^
2018-08-28 13:08:35 <PureTryOut[m]> oh I thought I was missing someone in the conversation, guess it's not just me
2018-08-28 13:21:48 <sosola> Hi alpine people! I'm a little lost... I run the "raspberry pi alpine" version on a RPI 1, and I can't found the soundcard, I did a modprobe snd_bcm2835 but the card doenst list in /proc/asound neither in /dev/snd . Are know issues about sound on RPi 1? Some tips?
2018-08-28 13:21:59 <sosola> Thanks!! :)
2018-08-28 13:23:47 <clandmeter> sosola, read the manual
2018-08-28 13:24:03 <clandmeter> i thyink you need to edit your rpi config
2018-08-28 13:24:05 <sosola> the wiki?
2018-08-28 13:24:11 <clandmeter> rpi docs
2018-08-28 13:25:38 <clandmeter> sosola, https://elinux.org/R-Pi_Troubleshooting#Sound
2018-08-28 13:29:55 <sosola> thanks, i try!
2018-08-28 13:31:15 <_ikke_> sosola: https://archlinuxarm.org/platforms/armv7/broadcom/raspberry-pi-2
2018-08-28 13:31:18 <_ikke_> check the wiki
2018-08-28 13:31:31 <_ikke_> The first section explains what you need to add
2018-08-28 13:50:08 <sosola> NICE! It works adding dtparam=audio=on in config.txt, thanks for the tips
2018-08-28 17:49:16 <Piraty> sosola: http://elinux.org/RPi_config.txt
2018-08-28 17:49:23 <Piraty> good reference
2018-08-28 19:59:16 <daian> hi guys
2018-08-28 19:59:26 <daian> i'm new on alpine
2018-08-28 20:00:19 <daian> and trying to do some tests with alpine and odbc connector
2018-08-28 20:01:10 <daian> i install the system on a docker container and try to connect to an existent mysql server with odbc
2018-08-28 20:01:26 <daian> but, on debian systems I just install libmyodbc
2018-08-28 20:01:57 <daian> and unixodbc to configure the conection
2018-08-28 20:02:40 <daian> but, i not found on the package list any correspondent package to libmyodbc
2018-08-28 20:03:23 <daian> someone know abount this and can help me to find out this package or similar driver to do the job?
2018-08-28 20:34:53 <danieli> daian: I cannot see a package for it in the Alpine repository: https://pkgs.alpinelinux.org/packages?name=*myodbc*&branch=edge
2018-08-28 20:34:57 <danieli> you could try building it yourself
2018-08-28 20:36:22 <daian> danieli: no, i'm newbe in alpine
2018-08-28 20:37:18 <daian> danieli: but I think about, just don't no how
2018-08-28 20:37:30 <daian> *know
2018-08-28 20:39:03 <daian> I will try to find some documentation to do that
2018-08-28 20:40:56 <danieli> daian: familiar with other Linux distributions and shell scripting in general?
2018-08-28 21:00:19 <daian> danieli: yes
2018-08-28 21:03:19 <danieli> then it should be fairly easy to create an alpine package for it, depends if any porting work is required or not
2018-08-28 21:14:07 <daian> I'm not sure , but i will try
2018-08-28 21:14:17 <daian> thanks
2018-08-29 09:24:33 <markweston> how to use busybox ssl_client to fetch POP3 mail?
2018-08-29 12:33:09 <misterunknown> Hi. Where can I set command line options for the udhcpc? Unfortunately it does not request the domain-search option, unless I start it with "-O search" manually. But I don't find the place where the command line options are set. Any hints?
2018-08-29 12:34:06 <_ikke_> It depends a bit on how the init.d script has been setup
2018-08-29 12:36:33 <misterunknown> _ikke_: You mean the networking init script?
2018-08-29 12:37:47 <misterunknown> I'm not even sure how udhcpc gets started.
2018-08-29 12:38:12 <misterunknown> There is no dedicated udhcpc init script.
2018-08-29 12:38:38 <_ikke_> Ah, ok
2018-08-29 12:38:49 <_ikke_> probably through ifupdown
2018-08-29 12:38:57 <_ikke_> But I don't know the details
2018-08-29 12:55:23 <OOPMan> Hey, I see the version of busybox in alpine 3.8 doesn't include tcpsvd and some other similar tools
2018-08-29 12:55:36 <OOPMan> Is there any way to get this tool without recompililing busybox from scratch for alpine?
2018-08-29 12:55:40 <AinNero> OOPMan: busybox-extras
2018-08-29 12:56:52 <OOPMan> Aaaaaaaaaah
2018-08-29 12:56:54 <OOPMan> Thanks!~
2018-08-29 13:15:32 <OOPMan> AinNero: I added busybox-extras but when I try to use it I get a message about applets not found. Apparently this is a PATH issue?
2018-08-29 13:16:11 <AinNero> how are you trying to invoke it?
2018-08-29 13:17:27 <AinNero> ohhh
2018-08-29 13:17:41 <AinNero> i just saw, tcpsvd is not there in both of them
2018-08-29 13:18:10 <OOPMan> ooooooooh
2018-08-29 13:18:16 <OOPMan> Let me see if httpd is there
2018-08-29 13:20:00 <AinNero> you may use inetd, since it works comparably
2018-08-29 13:21:03 <OOPMan> Mmmmmmmmmmmm, I was using nc to listen for connections but it seems to break/finish after getting one
2018-08-29 13:21:16 <OOPMan> And tricks I've seen involving running it in a while loop don't seem to work
2018-08-29 13:21:36 <AinNero> >:(
2018-08-29 13:21:45 <AinNero> busybox nc --help -> "-lkWith -e, provides persistent server"
2018-08-29 13:22:07 <OOPMan> Yeah, but I think you need to provide a program?
2018-08-29 13:22:29 <AinNero> same with tcpsvd
2018-08-29 13:22:34 <OOPMan> I'll test some more
2018-08-29 13:34:15 <misterunknown> _ikke_: I solved it by using "udhcpc_opts -O search" in /etc/network/interfaces.
2018-08-29 13:34:43 <misterunknown> I'll write a little note in the wiki.
2018-08-29 13:47:47 <misterunknown> _ikke_: Unfortunately I'm not allowed to edit the "Configure networking" wiki page. Do I need to get any permissions?
2018-08-29 13:48:14 <_ikke_> misterunknown: is it a new account?
2018-08-29 13:48:26 <misterunknown> _ikke_: Yes, it's "Misterunknown"
2018-08-29 13:48:28 <_ikke_> You might have to wait a couple of hours before you can do proper edits (against spam)
2018-08-29 13:48:50 <misterunknown> _ikke_: Ah ok.
2018-08-29 13:50:33 <misterunknown> Then I'll wait...
2018-08-29 15:07:15 <markweston> why is it impossible to remove ssl_client even though nothing depends on it?
2018-08-29 15:11:06 <AinNero> hah, i can reproduce that
2018-08-29 15:11:08 <AinNero> looks weird
2018-08-29 15:13:06 <AinNero> busybox's wget needs ssl_client for https
2018-08-29 15:13:19 <AinNero> aside from that, i dont know
2018-08-29 15:21:18 <danieli> should be made modular i guess
2018-08-29 15:23:09 <AinNero> mbedtls-utils pulls in ssl_client
2018-08-29 15:23:18 <AinNero> silently, as i just learned
2018-08-29 16:23:43 <jnt> Can someone review my pull requests, please? They're 4 weeks old now: https://github.com/alpinelinux/aports/pull/4924 https://github.com/alpinelinux/aports/pull/4953
2018-08-29 16:54:48 <PureTryOut[m]> only 4 weeks? my oldest is 2 months now 😆
2018-08-29 17:14:53 <roygbiv> hi so i added a line to /etc/fstab for my new file system that i want to mount on boot but it doesn’t want to mount for some reason. any ideas? thanks
2018-08-29 17:15:11 <roygbiv> i can manually mount it no problem. but it won’t mount on boot
2018-08-29 17:16:39 <roygbiv> this is 3.8.0 too
2018-08-29 17:54:47 <jnt> PureTryOut[m]: my oldest one is actually from may 20th, but due to it's age I want to update it first.
2018-08-29 17:58:15 <jnt> roygbiv: manually as in `mount /dev/sdxn /mountpoint`? does it mount when you do `mount -a`, can you show us the line in /etc/fstab?
2018-08-29 18:00:19 <markweston> is there a text browser with javascript support in the repositories?
2018-08-29 18:02:34 <roygbiv> jnt: yes that’s the strange thing. it mounts using either way you mention. here’s a link to my fstab https://pastebin.com/hEFjESdj
2018-08-29 18:02:59 <roygbiv> oops. there’s a blank line at line 6 but removing it doesn’t affect anything
2018-08-29 18:13:57 <jnt> roygbiv: did you check if /boot and swap get mounted at boot? it's unlikely but maybe the localmount initscript is not running for some reason.
2018-08-29 18:14:54 <roygbiv> jnt well, /boot is mounted but i don’t think swap is actually mounted is it?
2018-08-29 18:16:46 <roygbiv> very strange problem
2018-08-29 18:17:30 <jnt> roygbiv swap isn't mounted in the filesystem hierarchy, but it needs to be activated, and is in your fstab. run `free` and check if it's shown
2018-08-29 18:18:01 <roygbiv> jnt: yes it is shown there
2018-08-29 18:18:34 <roygbiv> Swap:      2097148          0    2097148
2018-08-29 18:18:34 <roygbiv> that is what i see anyway
2018-08-29 18:19:24 <roygbiv> could it be something in the way the disk is partitioned?
2018-08-29 18:19:29 <jnt> roygbiv: yeah that's correct
2018-08-29 18:21:33 <roygbiv> hmmm, parted shows my partition type as “loop” and i don’t think that is correct
2018-08-29 18:21:46 <roygbiv> err partition table that is, not partition type
2018-08-29 18:22:43 <jnt> roygbiv: loop is usually used to mount file with images of filesystems.
2018-08-29 18:23:10 <roygbiv> jnt: yes and i’m certain i created it with partition table of “gpt”
2018-08-29 18:23:16 <roygbiv> 100% certain
2018-08-29 18:23:24 <jnt> do `ls -lah /dev/sdb1`
2018-08-29 18:23:34 <roygbiv> ok there maybe is something else at play here but it’s weird the file system mounts with “mount -a” and no errors
2018-08-29 18:23:58 <roygbiv> brw-rw----    1 root     disk        8,  17 Aug 29 18:16 /dev/sdb1
2018-08-29 18:24:47 <roygbiv> oh never mind on the loop thing. that was my stupid error
2018-08-29 18:25:02 <roygbiv> i had typed “parted /dev/sdb1” instead of “parted /dev/sdb”
2018-08-29 18:25:44 <jnt> ah okay
2018-08-29 18:31:41 <jnt> roygbiv: is it an internal or usb drive? maybe for some reason the device isn't ready and doesn't show up yet at mount time? I am kinda running out of ideas here.
2018-08-29 18:32:21 <roygbiv> jnt: no it’s a vmware virtual scsi disk. and same here! i am stumped. i appreciate your suggestions though
2018-08-29 18:56:23 <markbr> I'd like to update busybox to 1.29 due to the security vulnerability listed in CVE-2018-1000517.  Does anyone know how to do that?
2018-08-29 19:00:22 <jnt> roygbiv: are there any messages concerning /dev/sdb in `dmesg` output? If it's on a server can you either VNC or enable rc_logger="YES" in /etc/rc.conf and paste take a looke at /var/log/rc.log
2018-08-29 19:06:27 <jnt> markbr: there's two ways, either you build the newest version yourself and replace the binary for a quick and dirty fix, or you follow these instructions to set up the alpine build env, update the APKBUILD and install the package. https://wiki.alpinelinux.org/wiki/Creating_an_Alpine_package#Setup_your_system_and_account There's already a PR for 1.29.2 https://github.com/alpinelinux/aports/pull/4938
2018-08-29 19:06:33 <jnt> which you could apply.
2018-08-29 19:06:41 <markbr> thank you
2018-08-29 19:14:17 <jnt> markbr: though it would probably easier to just install gnu wget instead, it should replace the wget symlink, so as long as you don't use `busybox wget` you should be safe.
2018-08-29 19:14:32 <markbr> good point
2018-08-29 21:10:45 <minus> any tips on how one would get an sshd in the initramfs to unlock root? i'm finding this one script on github that looks way too long for what it should be doing https://github.com/mk-f/alpine-initramfs-dropbear
2018-08-29 21:13:42 <AinNero> minus: that script looks like an sane choice
2018-08-29 21:14:52 <AinNero> this is an good usecase for mkinitfs hooks actually (not implemented (yet))
2018-08-30 10:32:20 <tya99> https://www.rationallyparanoid.com/articles/diskless-ssh-honeypot-alpine-linux.html
2018-08-30 10:41:35 <tya99> https://fosstodon.org/@DelusionalAI/99751637016311011
2018-08-30 10:52:13 <TomJepp> tya99: wow, that entire list of 'tweets' is hilariously bad
2018-08-30 10:52:26 <tya99> i was thinking that myself
2018-08-30 10:52:30 <TomJepp> zfs on linux works
2018-08-30 10:52:42 <TomJepp> I run it on debian stretch myself (using debian's packages)
2018-08-30 10:52:42 <tya99> yeah i was under the impression it was fairly stable
2018-08-30 10:52:48 <TomJepp> send | receive definitely works
2018-08-30 10:52:53 <TomJepp> as that's how I do my backups :p
2018-08-30 10:53:27 <tya99> i have to admit i like masterdon's layout
2018-08-30 10:53:43 <tya99> never really been into 'social networking' but out of all of them that one is probably the least annoying and the fastest
2018-08-30 10:53:45 <Michcioperz> why do people always bend its name so badly
2018-08-30 10:53:50 <AinNero> it suffers from the same asshattery than twitter..
2018-08-30 10:53:58 <tya99> no doubt
2018-08-30 10:54:08 <tya99> which is why i mostly stick to mailing lists
2018-08-30 10:54:10 <TomJepp> btrfs is ok, I guess. I'd choose zfs for production over it every time though
2018-08-30 10:54:29 <tya99> yes and my understanding is BTRFS raid5/6 is not there yet
2018-08-30 10:54:31 <TomJepp> I've corrupted btrfs on my converted chromebook too many times using things like compression
2018-08-30 10:54:49 <tya99> i use btrfs on my nvmepro on my xps and works great
2018-08-30 10:54:55 <tya99> but i wouldn't try raid6 with it
2018-08-30 10:55:08 <tya99> until i got more solid feedback about that
2018-08-30 10:55:29 <tya99> i haven't looked at it in a couple of years though
2018-08-30 10:55:33 <tya99> https://btrfs.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/RAID56
2018-08-30 10:55:48 <AinNero> i didn't like btrfs for being able to remove files from the disk, without manually going through all snapshots
2018-08-30 10:56:15 <tya99> and i am still seeing things like https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Btrfs-For-Linux-4.16
2018-08-30 10:56:21 <AinNero> also it seemed rather opaque where the disk space actually went
2018-08-30 10:56:23 <tya99> so i am kind of worried its not quite there yet for production
2018-08-30 10:56:23 <TomJepp> I also find the btrfs tooling to be quite awkward to use compared to zpool and zfs
2018-08-30 10:56:32 <TomJepp> but... that's probably more that I'm used to zfs
2018-08-30 10:56:45 <tya99> yeah im used to zfs on freebsd, started using it on freeebsd 10
2018-08-30 10:56:55 <TomJepp> I use zfs on both freebsd and on linux
2018-08-30 10:57:14 <TomJepp> zfs on linux *used* to have issues, that much is true
2018-08-30 10:57:19 <tya99> but basically i want to move my home server over to alpinelinux because i don't need the whole 'freebsd ecosystem'
2018-08-30 10:57:21 <AinNero> what do you use it for? how much personal data do you guys have?
2018-08-30 10:57:23 <TomJepp> but people are still spreading FUD about it, and it works fine now.
2018-08-30 10:57:27 <tya99> essentially all the machine does is run a bunch of KVMs
2018-08-30 10:57:36 <qman__> ZFS on linux works well, as long as you're not trying to use it for VM disks
2018-08-30 10:57:45 <TomJepp> AinNero: I have 12 4T disks in a zfs raid-z3
2018-08-30 10:57:46 <tya99> qman__: oh?
2018-08-30 10:57:51 <tya99> that is exactly what i was going to do :(
2018-08-30 10:57:52 <qman__> ZFS as VM storage has a long way to go, performance wise
2018-08-30 10:57:56 <AinNero> TomJepp: whats on it?
2018-08-30 10:58:06 <TomJepp> qman__: I found using raw files on it is reasonable, but zvols are a performance nightmare
2018-08-30 10:58:07 <tya99> so you're saying i shouldn't store my VM images on it?
2018-08-30 10:58:20 <tya99> admittedly it doesn't have a lot of users, its internal only
2018-08-30 10:58:28 <tya99> ie < 5 users
2018-08-30 10:58:35 <tya99> just a machine for me to deploy VMs on when i need it
2018-08-30 10:59:09 <TomJepp> AinNero: a few T of disk images (linux and windows, and yes, they're legit), a few T of ripped media (that *I* ripped), and about 1.5T of photos (RAW from modern cameras eats space :p)
2018-08-30 10:59:10 <tya99> the idea was i was going to use a diskless alpinelinux boot stick
2018-08-30 10:59:19 <tya99> with https://wiki.alpinelinux.org/wiki/Setting_up_ZFS_on_LUKS
2018-08-30 10:59:25 <tya99> and run libvirtd and store my vms on the zpool
2018-08-30 10:59:40 <qman__> it'll work, but performance will be mixed at best
2018-08-30 10:59:56 <qman__> you'll see lag spikes and inexplicably poor performance at times
2018-08-30 11:00:02 <tya99> right
2018-08-30 11:00:04 <TomJepp> I also have an offsite box with 4x2T as two mirrors in one pool
2018-08-30 11:00:12 <TomJepp> which is offsite backup for really important stuff
2018-08-30 11:00:18 <TomJepp> and I echo what qman__ says
2018-08-30 11:00:26 <tya99> qman__: do you suggest i not use ZFS then if i am going to run virtual machines on it
2018-08-30 11:00:26 <qman__> I use ceph for VM storage
2018-08-30 11:00:27 <TomJepp> I ran a secondary DNS on it and it was fine because it basically never tocuhed the disk
2018-08-30 11:00:30 <qman__> I use ZFS for file storage
2018-08-30 11:00:44 <tya99> well i guess i could do that
2018-08-30 11:00:55 <TomJepp> but for any kind of VM that is actually  dependent of disk I/O, ZFS is not a good choice
2018-08-30 11:01:00 <tya99> the VMs are rather small, and essentially could just access the pool through 9P
2018-08-30 11:01:00 <TomJepp> *ZFS on Linux
2018-08-30 11:01:13 <TomJepp> I found the performance is much better for hosting VMs on FreeBSD
2018-08-30 11:01:33 <qman__> it's been a while since I tried freeBSD ZFS, but it was poor on there too when I did
2018-08-30 11:01:34 <TomJepp> but bhyve was rather primitive compared to libvirt/kvm/qemu ;)
2018-08-30 11:02:14 <qman__> that was about four years ago now, though
2018-08-30 11:02:16 <tya99> the other thing is i only have about 2-3 VMs
2018-08-30 11:02:26 <tya99> i think i might give it a shot
2018-08-30 11:02:31 <qman__> number of VMs is not important, it's the overall disk performance that is poor
2018-08-30 11:02:32 <tya99> and then see if i get weird performance issues
2018-08-30 11:02:53 <tya99> well they don't do a lot of IO within the actual VM so it should be okay
2018-08-30 11:03:14 <TomJepp> if they don't really touch the disk then you'll probably be OK, just factor in that package updates etc will be relatively slow
2018-08-30 11:03:19 <qman__> yeah
2018-08-30 11:03:24 <tya99> right
2018-08-30 11:03:24 <qman__> and random freezing is a thing
2018-08-30 11:03:30 <tya99> hmm
2018-08-30 11:03:34 <tya99> yeah that doesn't sound good
2018-08-30 11:03:35 <qman__> for around 5 seconds
2018-08-30 11:03:39 <TomJepp> qman__: I had a few I/O stalls but it never actually stalled the VM
2018-08-30 11:03:46 <TomJepp> I can see that it might if it's trying to swap or something
2018-08-30 11:03:50 <qman__> yes, I mean specifically on I/O
2018-08-30 11:04:13 <TomJepp> but I eventually moved all of my VM disk to simple mdadm RAID-1 on SSDs
2018-08-30 11:04:19 <tya99> well for that matter i could have a single SSD
2018-08-30 11:04:26 <tya99> store the VMs on that
2018-08-30 11:04:26 <TomJepp> mdadm RAID1 + lvm on top
2018-08-30 11:04:30 <tya99> and mount the data store
2018-08-30 11:04:40 <tya99> i don't really need redundancy for the VMs
2018-08-30 11:04:48 <tya99> that might be a better approach
2018-08-30 11:04:56 <tya99> and use something like EXT4
2018-08-30 11:04:58 <qman__> it'll perform a lot better
2018-08-30 11:05:05 <TomJepp> tya99: lvm + thin provisioning :)
2018-08-30 11:05:07 <tya99> on the SSD or BTRFS
2018-08-30 11:05:16 <tya99> TomJepp: not sure what that is
2018-08-30 11:05:37 <qman__> I also don't recommend LVM volumes per VM, I've had lots of issues with device mapper
2018-08-30 11:05:58 <tya99> nah i was just going to boot diskless alpinelinux and store the VMs on the btrfs ssd
2018-08-30 11:06:03 <TomJepp> qman__: really? I've been doing it for years and found it very solid
2018-08-30 11:06:04 <qman__> sometimes it throws a fit and won't unmount anything until you reboot
2018-08-30 11:06:14 <tya99> and then the actual data would be mounted through 9P to the raidz2 array
2018-08-30 11:06:16 <qman__> it's done that for nearly a decade, never been fixed
2018-08-30 11:06:36 <TomJepp> I could do the same with sparse files, but I don't know how that responds to TRIM from the VM
2018-08-30 11:06:57 <tya99> because the thing is the VMs containers are pretty small
2018-08-30 11:07:03 <tya99> and i commit all the configs to git anyway
2018-08-30 11:07:13 <tya99> so if i had to redo a VM i could, its not irreplacable data
2018-08-30 11:07:26 <tya99> that would be on the zpool which i manually rsync to an external disk stored offsite
2018-08-30 11:07:30 <qman__> in your situation, I'd just do qcow2 files on an ext4 filesystem on SSD, it'll be fast
2018-08-30 11:07:40 <qman__> and keep the important data on a ZFS file share
2018-08-30 11:07:43 <tya99> yeah i think thats what i'll do then
2018-08-30 11:07:45 <tya99> yep
2018-08-30 11:07:58 <TomJepp> to be honest that's probably what I should be doing as well
2018-08-30 11:08:19 <tya99> qman__: thanks for your input!
2018-08-30 11:08:30 <tya99> because i had no idea about the locking
2018-08-30 11:08:31 <tya99> stuff
2018-08-30 11:09:49 <tya99> qman__: do you think EXT4 or BTRFS for that SSD where the qcow vms are stored is better?
2018-08-30 11:09:53 <qman__> ext4
2018-08-30 11:10:01 <qman__> btrfs is not even close to stable yet
2018-08-30 11:10:30 <TomJepp> you'd only end up doing no CoW for them on btrfs for performance anyway
2018-08-30 11:10:40 <TomJepp> at which point you've lost one of the main advantages of btrfs
2018-08-30 11:10:43 <qman__> you could use XFS if you like but I also have had issues with XFS in the past, ext is easier to recover from a failure
2018-08-30 11:10:51 <tya99> TomJepp: true i already do that on my archlinux machine
2018-08-30 11:11:09 <tya99> qman__: it is connected to UPS so power failure shouldn't be an issue
2018-08-30 11:11:57 <qman__> it's not that failures are any more or less likely, it's just that when failures occur, ext is usually easily recovered, whereas I've lost full filesystems on xfs in the same situations
2018-08-30 11:11:59 <tya99> iirc that was a concern with XFS
2018-08-30 11:12:13 <tya99> qman__: right
2018-08-30 11:12:53 <tya99> i wonder why rhel uses xfs by default
2018-08-30 11:13:26 <tya99> https://access.redhat.com/discussions/476563
2018-08-30 11:14:56 <AinNero> tya99: im sceptical of using redhat as inspiration for my software choices
2018-08-30 11:15:07 <AinNero> otherwise i wouldn't be here
2018-08-30 11:16:58 <tya99> haha :)
2018-08-30 11:17:16 <tya99> i remember when they announced it i was like ... that's weird.
2018-08-30 11:17:28 <AinNero> like my flat, i clean up my data, so i only have like, 300 gigabytes
2018-08-30 11:17:29 <tya99> all the comments are saying how bad it is ;)
2018-08-30 11:17:34 <tya99> so i guess that's something ;)
2018-08-30 11:17:54 <tya99> yeah i'd be lucky if my SSD even had more than 60GB
2018-08-30 11:17:59 <AinNero> with 300 gigabytes of mostly static data, snapshots isn't something i miss
2018-08-30 11:18:01 <tya99> the VMs aren't huge
2018-08-30 11:18:16 <tya99> AinNero: precisely
2018-08-30 11:18:28 <tya99> and once a week i do a rsync anyway so if i have changed something in that time i have a copy
2018-08-30 11:18:57 <tya99> the machine has physical access it's on my LAN so yeah
2018-08-30 11:19:15 <tya99> its just more i like debian for something things and i like archlinux for other things
2018-08-30 11:19:31 <qman__> but yeah, if you really want to see the problems with device mapper, try using it as the storage backend in a docker swarm
2018-08-30 11:19:52 <qman__> since that creates and destroys lots of volumes, it happens relatively quick
2018-08-30 11:20:15 <tya99> yeah i never really got into using docker
2018-08-30 11:21:14 <tya99> like ive never really gotten into using flatpak either
2018-08-30 11:21:26 <tya99> or snaps, seems to be all the craze now
2018-08-30 11:21:30 <qman__> basically what happens is that a volume will get stuck "in use" and there's no way to unstick it short of rebooting
2018-08-30 11:21:47 <tya99> qman__: that sounds very annoying
2018-08-30 11:21:48 <qman__> not great when your system runs multiple VMs or provides a service on the network
2018-08-30 11:22:02 <tya99> qman__: so what was your solution?
2018-08-30 11:22:08 <qman__> stop using device mapper
2018-08-30 11:22:28 <tya99> wouldn't that be needed if you used encryption?
2018-08-30 11:22:29 <qman__> RHEL7 added overlay2 support, so that's what we use now
2018-08-30 11:22:34 <TomJepp> qman__: hm, that's interesting. I don't have much turnover which is why I probably haven't hit it
2018-08-30 11:23:04 <qman__> for encryption it's not too bad since usually you just mount once at boot and unmount once at shutdown
2018-08-30 11:23:12 <qman__> but I have had it be an annoyance then too
2018-08-30 11:23:16 <tya99> oh yeah true
2018-08-30 11:23:56 <tya99> well that looks to be the plan for me migrate my freebsd 10 zfs server
2018-08-30 11:24:07 <tya99> over to alpinelinux, with vms stored on ext4 ssd and a zpool
2018-08-30 11:24:11 <tya99> for the data
2018-08-30 11:26:57 <tya99> https://markmcb.com/2015/07/19/migration-from-luks-encrypted-hardware-raid-10-to-luks-encrypted-btrfs-raid-6/
2018-08-30 11:27:01 <tya99> it is from 2015.
2018-08-30 11:27:49 <qman__> yeah, note the big red box
2018-08-30 11:28:06 <qman__> new issues found, really unstable, etc
2018-08-30 11:28:13 <tya99> yep
2018-08-30 11:28:22 <tya99> he ended up going raid 10
2018-08-30 11:28:35 <tya99> which is mirrored like raid 1
2018-08-30 11:29:12 <qman__> ZFS on linux has been pretty reliable since around 0.7, haven't had any complaints
2018-08-30 11:29:25 <qman__> 0.6 was still pretty buggy
2018-08-30 11:29:38 <tya99> how many years ago is 0.6
2018-08-30 11:29:49 <tya99> i haven't followed zfs on linux
2018-08-30 11:30:37 <qman__> oh, hmm, might be off on that
2018-08-30 11:30:48 <qman__> changelog says 2017 but I thought it was older than that, maybe 0.5
2018-08-30 11:31:30 <qman__> basically I was having a lot of trouble in about 2014, but things cleaned up since then
2018-08-30 11:31:53 <tya99> yeah i think that's why i went with freebsd in 2014
2018-08-30 11:33:32 <qman__> yeah, my home fileserver I last set up in about 2015 and it's been chugging along without a hitch
2018-08-30 11:33:45 <qman__> it does zfs send to a backup server hourly
2018-08-30 11:34:42 <tya99> the backup server is that offsite?
2018-08-30 11:35:01 <qman__> not offsite yet, actually in the same rack, but the idea is to get it into another building at some point
2018-08-30 11:37:15 <qman__> it's complete overkill, but I've lost data in the past
2018-08-30 11:38:19 <qman__> so I take redundancy and backups seriously
2018-08-30 11:38:29 <tya99> yeah
2018-08-30 11:38:42 <tya99> that usually happens to people who lose data
2018-08-30 15:23:44 <AinNero> >15:07 < markweston> why is it impossible to remove ssl_client even though nothing depends on it?
2018-08-30 15:23:55 <AinNero> remind me to create an ticket for that
2018-08-30 15:24:12 <danieli> we're not Alexa :') I'd forget about it for sure
2018-08-30 15:24:19 <_ikke_> you need to create a ticket for it
2018-08-30 15:24:21 <_ikke_> *done*
2018-08-30 16:54:44 <TBB> I am -not- a happy bunny today. this distro keeps changing so often my work becomes useless within 2-4 weeks of completing it.
2018-08-30 16:55:46 <TBB> half a day wasted again chasing changed service dependencies and stuff
2018-08-30 16:57:23 <TBB> I'm going to have to go back to taking snapshots of Alpine repositories and working with those snapshots the whole time because otherwise I'll get nothing finished for real...
2018-08-31 00:14:02 <jnt> How are alpine packages compiled for armhf? I want to install it on my BeagleBone Black, but the kernel does not work on my device. So I'd like to build a kernel package myself.
2018-08-31 15:25:31 <jnt> How are the Alpine packages for armhf built? I'd like to create a kernel package for the Beaglebone Black, but I have no idea how to setup a build environment for abuild with cross compilation. I considered just cross compiling the kernel and then booting alpine on armhf to build a proper kernel package, but i'd rather not compile on a 1GHz single core soc.
2018-08-31 15:32:10 <TBB> I'm not familiar with the process, but...
2018-08-31 15:32:33 <TBB> ... you could have a look at aports/scripts/bootstrap.sh in hope of a hint
2018-08-31 15:33:19 <TBB> it has comments like "This script creates a local cross-compiler, and uses it to cross-compile an Alpine Linux base system for new architecture."
2018-08-31 15:33:38 <jnt> TBB: that script looks promising, thanks
2018-08-31 16:40:28 <clandmeter> jnt, we do not cross compile except for bootstrapping. all our archs are native.
2018-08-31 17:06:23 <jnt> clandmeter: so all packages for armhf are build on a armhf server?
2018-08-31 17:42:28 <clandmeter> On aarch64
2018-08-31 17:52:30 <clandmeter> Xgene has arm32 support
2018-08-31 17:57:37 <jnt> clandmeter: I guess doing the bootstrap and changing the kernel config until it boots should be enough for now, I don't plan to do much arm development, I just want alpine to boot as is on my beaglebone black.
2018-08-31 17:58:49 <jnt> the u-boot seems to work, just the kernel config has AM335x support disabled.
2018-08-31 18:07:57 <Latrina> guys a quick question
2018-08-31 18:08:14 <Latrina> I just did a LVM LUKS install on vbox
2018-08-31 18:08:24 <Latrina> and the system is being mounted as RO 0_0
2018-08-31 18:08:35 <Latrina> I mean /
2018-08-31 18:08:47 <Latrina> in fstab it is set to rw though
2018-08-31 18:09:51 <AinNero> if it stays ro during boot, then something might be in trouble
2018-08-31 18:09:59 <AinNero> check dmesg or boot output..
2018-08-31 18:10:13 <Latrina> thanks
2018-08-31 18:12:26 <Latrina> oh
2018-08-31 18:12:32 <Latrina> I screwed rc.conf
2018-08-31 18:12:34 <Latrina> thats why
2018-08-31 18:12:51 <Latrina> lmao
2018-08-31 18:15:19 <clandmeter> jnt, you can request config change if it's not blocking other things
2018-08-31 18:20:59 <jnt> clandmeter: I think I will make a PR to change config later, but I'll first try building and booting it myself, so I can be sure i got all the options required to get it to boot.
2018-08-31 19:08:37 <unmy> does anyone was abble to configure Alpine with grub without double passphrase question? :/
2018-08-31 19:08:59 <unmy> ^ LVM + LUKS
2018-08-31 19:46:52 <mps> jnt: I build kernel and u-boot for ARMs on Debian which runs under AL in LXC
2018-08-31 19:47:31 <mps> and use AL userland
2018-08-31 19:48:31 <mps> although I build packages on arm machines native
2018-08-31 20:09:23 <Latrina> back
2018-08-31 20:09:42 <Latrina> I just read tor-browser is no go in musl right?
2018-08-31 20:09:43 <Latrina> :S
2018-08-31 20:10:17 <Latrina> I cannot believe I set the entire VM and now I found out there is no tor-browser for alpine / void
2018-08-31 20:10:24 <Latrina> is there a port or something?
2018-08-31 20:11:47 <mps> Latrina: tor + firefox
2018-08-31 20:12:37 <Latrina> eh
2018-08-31 20:12:52 <Latrina> thanks
2018-08-31 20:13:27 <mps> but remember to harden firefox
2018-08-31 20:20:36 <Latrina> this is what I love about tor browser
2018-08-31 20:20:55 <Latrina> the security brought by the ones that understand why more than I do
2018-08-31 20:44:42 <TBB> my advice would be don't do this if you're not really familiar with the configuration
2018-08-31 20:45:40 <TBB> instead, if you can find an app container version of the tor browser, use it. if not, pick a distro that has it out of the box, set up an LXC container with that distro plus the tor browser installed in it and use it