2018-05-22 06:38:25 <black-clover> anyone fluent in python related alpine issues?
2018-05-22 09:09:49 <marnej> Hello
2018-05-22 09:10:00 <marnej> i am running alpine linux, in proxmox qemu container
2018-05-22 09:10:21 <marnej> but i ca'nt send acpi shutdown
2018-05-22 09:12:23 <marnej> acpid is installed an running
2018-05-22 10:22:59 <TBB> marnej, if that is the case then there might be a problem getting the shutdown signal through
2018-05-22 10:46:13 <cryptos> Hi guys im gaving some trouble with Alpine Linux I was wondering if you could help with, im following the wiki to make a custom alpine with mkimage, the build builds and produces my iso file, but when I try and boot it up I get an error /sbin/init not found in new root, launching recovery shell, then goes onto to say sh can't access tty.
2018-05-22 10:47:13 <cryptos> I do have some of my own custom packages but these are built correctly and signed, with my key in /etc/apk/keys which is also present in the newly generated iso images, as in the recovery shell i get a limited prompt and can see it in there along with the alpine devel keys
2018-05-22 10:47:42 <cryptos> that's the only issue I have been able to get from this error on the net so im not sure why it wont boot now
2018-05-22 11:11:46 <marnej> TBB: acpid -fd does'n get any acpi event
2018-05-22 11:19:11 <TBB> marnej: yeah, that's what I was suspecting. Is there a control socket available for signaling the vm when you start it?
2018-05-22 11:48:29 <marnej> TBB: where can i found it ? :-)
2018-05-22 11:48:35 <marnej> it is on host, or guest ?
2018-05-22 11:48:42 <marnej> btw. i am using proxmox
2018-05-22 11:51:30 <TBB> I have no idea what proxmox is, but you also use qemu, and qemu uses at least some unix socket(s) for communicating with the guest
2018-05-22 11:52:26 <TBB> okay, now I know on a very very basic level what proxmox is
2018-05-22 11:52:58 <marnej> proxmox is virtual host, whjich uses qemu and lxc for virtualization
2018-05-22 11:53:32 <TBB> it probably has a uniform way of how it controls vm's, so the quest, I guess, is to figure out whether/how it uses such sockets for controlling the vm in question
2018-05-22 11:53:55 <TBB> there's probably a vm specific directory somewhere under which you might find it
2018-05-22 11:54:27 <marnej> i have kvm command here ...
2018-05-22 11:55:42 <TBB> basically the way to signal a vm to shut down is to just netcat a specific command to that control socket and if there's acpid at the other end, it'll receive it
2018-05-22 12:00:28 <marnej> ok so i found 2 sockets ...
2018-05-22 12:00:38 <marnej> one for qemu guest agent i hope
2018-05-22 12:03:55 <mat___> hi everyone. I have to use alpine v3.6 repo but unfortunatelly it contains postgres 9.6.9 which is not good for me. i would like to use 10.4 insted of 9.6.9 without changing the repo. what is the easiest way to do this?
2018-05-22 12:04:46 <_ikke_> You'd have to build 10.4 for 3.6 yourself
2018-05-22 12:06:08 <TBB> if it's available in later repos then you can find the APKBUILD for it in aports and see if you can just abuild -r it
2018-05-22 12:08:11 <TBB> SirCmpwn: as a callback to something we talked about months ago, I'm now basically completely an i3 user and once I get the time to switch to Wayland I'll be a sway user
2018-05-22 12:10:26 <cryptos> TBB how are you running alpine on proxmox in lxc or a kvm? proxmox is just debian which the proxmox hypevisor, you could look for the same issue in a debian context to find an answer
2018-05-22 12:10:54 <TBB> cryptos: I'm not running it all, just trying to help out marnej here
2018-05-22 12:10:59 <TBB> *at all
2018-05-22 12:11:15 <TBB> but your advice is solid
2018-05-22 12:12:24 <danieli> doesn't proxmox just use lxc/kvm?
2018-05-22 12:12:32 <cryptos> yes
2018-05-22 12:12:34 <danieli> i am pretty sure it isn't a hypervisor by itself
2018-05-22 12:12:38 <cryptos> its just a fancy gui
2018-05-22 12:12:41 <danieli> mm
2018-05-22 12:12:56 <danieli> i'm familiar with it from 2011-2014
2018-05-22 12:13:08 <danieli> i was, rather
2018-05-22 12:13:13 <TBB> yup. but as it uses kvm it uses its options, one of which is probably the vm control socket
2018-05-22 12:13:13 <cryptos> but you need to make sure acpid is availble on the host and vm to recieve signals
2018-05-22 12:13:39 <TBB> not sure if it's needed in the host, but it is definitely necessary in the vm
2018-05-22 12:13:51 <cryptos> yes i used it a while back in v4 an djust setup a new v5 box the other day its still pretty much the same with some ui changes
2018-05-22 12:13:58 <duncan^> It's not a hypervisor by itself.
2018-05-22 12:14:52 <cryptos> yep that was wrong wording its a virtualisation administration tool
2018-05-22 12:16:32 <cryptos> did you start the kvm as a qemu agent or not?
2018-05-22 12:16:32 <marnej> yeah it is fancy virtualizaton gui
2018-05-22 12:16:37 <marnej> using lxc and qemu
2018-05-22 12:16:52 <marnej> my alpine is runnin in qemu
2018-05-22 12:17:03 <marnej> because of i need some dockers runnin in iot
2018-05-22 12:17:15 <cryptos> but when you created the vm did you select the option for it to be a qemu agent or not
2018-05-22 12:17:31 <cryptos> if you go to the server in proxmox and look at the infomation it should say
2018-05-22 12:18:14 <marnej> yeah i hjave agent set
2018-05-22 12:18:22 <marnej> also installed agent inside alpine
2018-05-22 12:18:28 <marnej> but now it does't work ..
2018-05-22 12:18:38 <marnej> (i changed kernel from protected to vanilla ...
2018-05-22 12:18:55 <cryptos> mine all run without without the qemu option enabled
2018-05-22 12:20:47 <cryptos> promox can start/shutdown/ kvms without the qemu agent option enabled and additional packages installed inside the guest
2018-05-22 12:21:16 <cryptos> ie its not required, i just tried with debian 9 and alpine edge images
2018-05-22 12:22:16 <marnej> cryptos: hm ...
2018-05-22 12:22:23 <marnej> how installed ?
2018-05-22 12:22:26 <marnej> from cd ?
2018-05-22 12:22:37 <cryptos> installed what?
2018-05-22 12:22:43 <marnej> alpine in qemu
2018-05-22 12:22:43 <cryptos> the host or guest?
2018-05-22 12:22:47 <marnej> guest
2018-05-22 12:22:57 <marnej> in proxmox
2018-05-22 12:23:47 <cryptos> i just wget the alpine image to the image folder which is something like /var/lib/lx/images (double check that) the iso is then avalible from the proxmox gui when you click create vm and select an iso
2018-05-22 12:25:34 <cryptos> iso path=/var/lib/vz/template/iso
2018-05-22 12:26:41 <cryptos> how are you creating/starting the vm from cli or gui?
2018-05-22 12:27:10 <marnej> hm, i run alpine only from iso
2018-05-22 12:27:15 <marnej> and try to do "shutdown"
2018-05-22 12:27:20 <marnej> but nothing's happens :-)
2018-05-22 12:27:26 <marnej> (runnin livecd in qwmu)
2018-05-22 12:27:31 <marnej> 3.7
2018-05-22 12:28:05 <marnej> /var/lib/vz/template/iso/alpine-extended-3.7.0-x86_64.iso
2018-05-22 12:28:38 <cryptos> but are you starting it from the gui or the host cli?
2018-05-22 12:28:50 <marnej> gui
2018-05-22 12:29:54 <cryptos> have you tried running it without the acpi agent option? and have you tried fully installing alpine with alpine-setup
2018-05-22 12:30:08 <marnej> yeah, i have one running instllation
2018-05-22 12:30:18 <marnej> now, i am trying only livecd - for test :-)
2018-05-22 12:30:38 <marnej> qemu agent : No
2018-05-22 12:30:55 <marnej> proxmox 5.2-1
2018-05-22 12:31:55 <marnej> root@pve:/var/lib/vz/template/iso# qm shutdown  100
2018-05-22 12:31:56 <marnej> trying to acquire lock...
2018-05-22 12:31:56 <marnej> can't lock file '/var/lock/qemu-server/lock-100.conf' - got timeout
2018-05-22 12:31:56 <marnej> root@pve:/var/lib/vz/template/iso#
2018-05-22 12:32:18 <marnej> when i try to shutdown from cli
2018-05-22 12:35:13 <marnej> Got it !
2018-05-22 12:35:31 <cryptos> what does grub.cfg say?
2018-05-22 12:35:50 <cryptos> nice what was it
2018-05-22 12:36:03 <marnej> oh lol
2018-05-22 12:36:29 <marnej> now, once it shutdown one server
2018-05-22 12:36:47 <marnej> only once :-)
2018-05-22 12:37:28 <marnej> i changed "protecition" to on - in proxmox
2018-05-22 12:40:27 <cryptos> not sure why that would work as that just prevents you from deleting a vm until you uncheck that option again
2018-05-22 12:40:40 <cryptos> but if it works it works!
2018-05-22 12:41:22 <marnej> yeah, but it doesn't work
2018-05-22 12:41:28 <marnej> it just once shutdown it :-)
2018-05-22 12:43:20 <cryptos> so does your guest in grub.cfg have acpi=on; and does the same behavior happen when shutting it down from the gui?
2018-05-22 12:43:57 <marnej> cryptos: does't use grub  - selunux
2018-05-22 12:44:23 <azarus> marnej: do you mean syslinux?
2018-05-22 12:44:32 <marnej> syslinux :-)
2018-05-22 12:44:43 <azarus> SELinux is something completely different ;)
2018-05-22 12:44:53 <marnej> yeah, i know
2018-05-22 12:45:03 <marnej> it about security
2018-05-22 12:45:23 <cryptos> when you do qm shutdown $id pass the --skiplock option
2018-05-22 12:46:06 <marnej> i added acpi=on into kernel params
2018-05-22 12:46:15 <marnej> can't lock file '/var/lock/qemu-server/lock-100.conf' - got timeout
2018-05-22 12:46:15 <marnej> root@pve:/var/lib/vz/template/iso# qm shutdown  100 --skiplock
2018-05-22 12:46:47 <marnej> root@pve:/var/lib/vz/template/iso# qm shutdown  100 --skiplock true
2018-05-22 12:47:37 <marnej> do u have one pve, or cloud ?
2018-05-22 12:47:56 <marnej> cluster
2018-05-22 12:48:45 <cryptos> no i use the free version but on a hp bladesystem so a 16 HA/fenced cluster
2018-05-22 12:49:07 <marnej> free verrsion have also cluster solution :-)
2018-05-22 12:49:22 <marnej> so u have clustered proxmox servers .. .
2018-05-22 12:49:26 <cryptos> have you tried rebooting the host?
2018-05-22 12:49:30 <cryptos> yes
2018-05-22 12:49:32 <marnej> yeah
2018-05-22 12:49:40 <marnej> i can do again :-)
2018-05-22 12:49:52 <cryptos> how about ls -l /proc/acpi in the guest
2018-05-22 12:49:58 <cryptos> is the acpi process running?
2018-05-22 12:50:06 <marnej> yeah, it is
2018-05-22 12:50:15 <marnej> but acpid -fd hear nothing
2018-05-22 12:51:10 <cryptos> thing is the way proxmox is built its an encompassing system, so you have to do the "proxmox way" of doing things rather going directly to the tool
2018-05-22 12:52:18 <marnej> i'll try another livecd ...
2018-05-22 12:52:31 <cryptos> is there anything in DMESG proxmox-syslog vm-syslog that can help you debug further?
2018-05-22 12:52:56 <marnej> i'll take a look after boot :-)
2018-05-22 12:53:22 <cryptos> I would try a full install rather than a liveCD it would make sense for me to not have acpi functionality working in a liveCD
2018-05-22 12:54:58 <marnej> lets try anarchy :-)
2018-05-22 12:55:07 <marnej> my favorti  archlinux instlla
2018-05-22 13:10:55 <cryptos> is there anyone experienced in building alpine / packages from source able to help me debug something, im trying to create a custom alpine installation for a embedded project, i've got some custom packages which i've built and signed with my key but when i try building the image it says on one of three custom package, error package no such file or directory then .apk: BAD signature. APKINDEX.tar.gz: No such file or directory
2018-05-22 13:11:12 <cryptos> the same apkindex installs all the other custom packages fine
2018-05-22 13:21:04 <marnej> cryptos: in livecd of anarchylinux - there acpi shutdown worsk fine
2018-05-22 13:23:38 <cryptos> are you trying the virtual live CD or standard liveCD?
2018-05-22 13:24:06 <jnt_> I've been wondering, is there a reason busybox-extras does `busybox --install` in a script during installation instead of doing it during packaging, so the symlinks for all commands are in the package? Then would also appear in the file search on the website.
2018-05-22 13:25:55 <marnej> cryptos: anarchy-1.0.0-x86_64.iso
2018-05-22 13:28:45 <tmh1999> cryptos: re: mkimage, you should add 'set -x' to those aports/scripts and possibly /sbin/mkinitfs /sbin/update-kernel to see through steps
2018-05-22 13:30:05 <tmh1999> and make sure your host system up-to-date with the whichever repositori  you use for mkimage, either official one or your custom
2018-05-22 13:31:51 <tmh1999> once I messed up the busybox versions and there's no /bin/sh in the new root, so /sbin/init couldn't run due to #!/bin/sh, changing to #!/bin/busybox works, just an example of debugging this init thing
2018-05-22 14:57:53 <cryptos> tmh1999  what do you mean by set -x? and mkimage im using the one from the latest version of aports
2018-05-22 16:11:31 <qrvpzvb> hello fellow mountaineers
2018-05-22 16:12:40 <_ikke_> ohai
2018-05-22 16:14:29 <qrvpzvb> if I want to start a service, many times... how would I do that?
2018-05-22 16:17:45 <_ikke_> qrvpzvb: can you elaborate what you mean with many times?
2018-05-22 16:18:38 <qrvpzvb> many instances of a service, at the same time
2018-05-22 16:19:10 <_ikke_> You can symlink the service with .instancename appended to it
2018-05-22 16:22:37 <qrvpzvb> ah, that's clever
2018-05-22 16:23:12 <_ikke_> the same counts for the conf.d file
2018-05-22 16:25:28 <clandmeter> It depends if the initd supports it
2018-05-22 16:30:24 <qrvpzvb> so it's like the 'service@whatever' that a certain other init/manager/os/everything supports?
2018-05-22 16:43:58 <qrvpzvb> right?
2018-05-22 16:44:51 <_ikke_> yes
2018-05-22 16:47:01 <qrvpzvb> great, that's exactly what I was looking for
2018-05-22 17:14:14 <tmh1999> cryptos: edit the scripts, and add 'set -x' so it will show you what commands you are running to better debug
2018-05-22 18:38:05 <black-clover> is there an apk option to install a package witho a directory, something like root = /mydir?
2018-05-22 18:41:48 <jn__> black-clover: yes, --root
2018-05-22 18:43:32 <johnnyfive> Hello, i'm trying to debug a repository issue. I have a complete alpine mirror sitting on an EFS drive. When I mount that drive locally, and point my repositories file to it, `apk update` fails. When serve the same files over http, and point my repo to that instead, it works.
2018-05-22 18:44:15 <TBB> how does it fail?
2018-05-22 18:44:18 <johnnyfive> https://kopy.io/JAzey
2018-05-22 18:44:44 <johnnyfive> What's weird is if I `ls -la` on the APKINDEX.tar.gz, copied from the error line, it shows the file exists
2018-05-22 18:45:02 <black-clover> jn__: thanks
2018-05-22 18:46:02 <TBB> hmm, could your index file contain packages that are not in the repository?
2018-05-22 18:46:20 <johnnyfive> TBB, sure, however the *exact same set of files* works if served over http instead
2018-05-22 18:46:45 <johnnyfive> it's literally just an rsync of the official mirror
2018-05-22 18:47:03 <TBB> there are functional differences between files considered local and files considered remote, that much I know
2018-05-22 18:47:24 <black-clover>  I'm having troubles finding which apline packages proves python wxwidgets
2018-05-22 18:48:49 <jn__> black-clover: there doesn't seem to be one
2018-05-22 18:49:01 <jn__> https://pkgs.alpinelinux.org/packages?page=1&branch=edge&name=wx*  shows nothing python-related
2018-05-22 18:49:14 <jn__> https://pkgs.alpinelinux.org/packages?name=*wx*&branch=edge rather
2018-05-22 18:49:50 <black-clover> thats the problem I'm trying to install a package which requires wxwidgets and pip gives me errors trying to build it
2018-05-22 18:51:05 <TBB> if I remember correctly, and I could very well remember wrong, wxgtk pretty much provides the same functionality
2018-05-22 18:51:20 <TBB> but python bindings, that I can't say much about
2018-05-22 18:52:59 <black-clover> I installed all the possible packages but checking the /usr/lib/python2.7 dir can find the proper wx files installed
2018-05-22 18:53:27 <black-clover> and python bindings are what the program requires
2018-05-22 18:55:51 <johnnyfive> TBB, figured it out, which is nearly impossible from the error message. The local filepath had a leading space
2018-05-22 18:57:15 <TBB> damn, yeah, it's right there in the error message :D
2018-05-22 19:40:14 <X^RegProg> hi there everyone
2018-05-22 19:40:22 <X^RegProg> wow this is an active community
2018-05-22 19:41:04 <X^RegProg> I have followed https://wiki.alpinelinux.org/wiki/XFCE_Setup to setup a gui but I am getting a black screen and then the fall back to terminal interface asking me for root un and password.
2018-05-22 19:41:17 <X^RegProg> There is a 'no scree founf' error in lxdm.log
2018-05-22 19:43:16 <X^RegProg> 'no screens found(EE)'
2018-05-22 19:43:24 <solar> xorg needs to be configured
2018-05-22 19:49:35 <X^RegProg> sorry for getting disconnected
2018-05-22 19:49:42 <X^RegProg> did anyone say anything for me?
2018-05-22 19:50:04 <mps> is there any mtp file system package to mount MTP devices on AL repos
2018-05-22 19:50:49 <mps> X^RegProg: did you setup-xorg-base
2018-05-22 19:51:22 <X^RegProg> mps: by running the setup-xorg-base command?
2018-05-22 19:51:50 <mps> yes
2018-05-22 19:51:58 <X^RegProg> yes I did do that
2018-05-22 19:52:05 <mps> if you new to Alpine
2018-05-22 19:52:25 <mps> which display manager you use
2018-05-22 19:52:50 <X^RegProg> lxdm
2018-05-22 19:52:56 <mps> ah, there is libmtp but I can't find mtpfs package
2018-05-22 19:53:19 <mps> X^RegProg: what happens when you start it
2018-05-22 19:55:23 <X^RegProg> that error: the screen goes black, then I am back to the terminal. When I check the lxdm.log it says no screens were found
2018-05-22 19:57:02 <X^RegProg> mps: ^
2018-05-22 19:57:21 <mps> look at /var/log/Xorg.0.log
2018-05-22 19:57:30 <mps> see if there errors
2018-05-22 19:58:06 <mps> missing drivers or something else
2018-05-22 20:02:30 <X^RegProg> mps: thank you for helping me by the way. The same error in the xorg log file. No displays found.
2018-05-22 20:02:40 <X^RegProg> sorry
2018-05-22 20:02:43 <X^RegProg> no screens found
2018-05-22 20:05:08 <mps> X^RegProg: look for errors in Xorg.0.log file
2018-05-22 20:05:32 <mps> There must be something why it exit
2018-05-22 20:06:53 <mps> found mtpfs on https://github.com/cjd/mtpfs built and it works
2018-05-22 20:07:25 <mps> how to make Alpine package from git repo
2018-05-22 20:09:28 <X^RegProg> mps: here are the errors: "open /dev/dri/card: Bo such file or directory" "open /dev/fb: No such file or directory" "sceen  deleted because of no matching config section" " Device(s) detected, but none match those in the config file." "No screens found"
2018-05-22 20:12:06 <mps> did you installed xf86-video-xx appropriate driver for your card
2018-05-22 20:13:56 <X^RegProg> mps: I don't know which one I should have installed. how can I check for that? This is ona virtualbox machine
2018-05-22 20:14:17 <X^RegProg> I don't know what graphics driver to install so I installed vmware as suggested by that guide
2018-05-22 20:14:59 <mps> do you use VM or hardware for installation
2018-05-22 20:15:13 <X^RegProg> VM
2018-05-22 20:15:43 <mps> ah, so
2018-05-22 20:15:57 <mps> what, QEMU or XEN
2018-05-22 20:15:57 <X^RegProg> so what mps?
2018-05-22 20:16:06 <X^RegProg> install them both?
2018-05-22 20:16:30 <mps> which one you tried
2018-05-22 20:17:00 <X^RegProg> xf86-video-vmware
2018-05-22 20:17:03 <X^RegProg> and intel
2018-05-22 20:18:01 <mps> no, VM type, qemu or xen
2018-05-22 20:18:14 <X^RegProg> I don't know
2018-05-22 20:18:23 <X^RegProg> how can I check for that?
2018-05-22 20:19:14 <mps> how do you started virtual machine during installation
2018-05-22 20:20:26 <mps> ah, I see, you use virtualbox
2018-05-22 20:20:35 <feuerteufel> mps: He is on a "VirtualBox"
2018-05-22 20:20:55 <X^RegProg> kvm
2018-05-22 20:20:57 <mps> I don't have any experience with it, don't know even what is it
2018-05-22 20:21:09 <X^RegProg> I am on kvm mps
2018-05-22 20:21:24 <mps> I use qemu/kvm for VMs to test OS
2018-05-22 20:21:39 <mps> what is virtualbox then
2018-05-22 20:22:13 <X^RegProg> virtualbox is just the provider of the virtualization environment. you can simply ignore it. But I am using KVM paravirtualization
2018-05-22 20:22:17 <mps> nowadays kvm is qemu, and kvm is just kernel driver
2018-05-22 20:22:40 <X^RegProg> ok qemu then
2018-05-22 20:22:48 <X^RegProg> if you say it is equal to KVM
2018-05-22 20:22:55 <mps> ok, how do you start VM, from CLI or some GUI
2018-05-22 20:22:59 <X^RegProg> cause I am not sure what it is
2018-05-22 20:23:06 <X^RegProg> some GUI
2018-05-22 20:23:33 <mps> never used GUI for that, but from CLI
2018-05-22 20:23:47 <X^RegProg> Is there really a difference?
2018-05-22 20:23:57 <mps> quite :)
2018-05-22 20:24:02 <X^RegProg> :)
2018-05-22 20:24:08 <mps> you see what happens
2018-05-22 20:24:13 <X^RegProg> so you saying cause I a gui I am not worthwhile?
2018-05-22 20:24:23 <X^RegProg> :)
2018-05-22 20:24:30 <mps> no, I don't say anything about you
2018-05-22 20:24:35 <X^RegProg> LOL
2018-05-22 20:24:36 <X^RegProg> ok
2018-05-22 20:24:45 <X^RegProg> so where should I go from here?
2018-05-22 20:24:49 <mps> I'm talking about my preference
2018-05-22 20:24:54 <X^RegProg> I see
2018-05-22 20:25:13 <mps> if you are ready to use cli I can give you a hint
2018-05-22 20:25:39 <X^RegProg> I am fully prepared to go for it but I don't know how to force virtualbox to go cli
2018-05-22 20:25:49 <X^RegProg> I could really use a hint
2018-05-22 20:26:27 <mps> if the virtualbox is just gui around qemu then you could start qemu from terminal, probably
2018-05-22 20:28:24 <qrvpzvb> what does apkovl even mean?
2018-05-22 20:29:16 <mps> X^RegProg: ah, I looked on net, virtualbox is something from oracle
2018-05-22 20:29:27 <mps> didn't know
2018-05-22 20:29:39 <X^RegProg> That's amazing
2018-05-22 20:29:55 <X^RegProg> you are a special soul. Yes it is from oracle
2018-05-22 20:30:05 <X^RegProg> a virtualization management environment kind of thing
2018-05-22 20:31:36 <qrvpzvb> there's the guest additions or however it's called
2018-05-22 20:31:38 <mps> I can't see that it is 'connected' to qemu or xen, it is something from Sun
2018-05-22 20:31:54 <qrvpzvb> it is not QEMU or KVM
2018-05-22 20:32:00 <qrvpzvb> it has its own kernel module too
2018-05-22 20:32:06 <katex> its like vmware workstation/player
2018-05-22 20:32:12 <mps> but I can be wrong because I read now about it first time
2018-05-22 20:32:15 <katex> (execpt not as good)
2018-05-22 20:32:21 <qrvpzvb> but also easier
2018-05-22 20:32:33 <katex> virtualbox is a lot easier to use that qemu,y ea
2018-05-22 20:32:48 <mps> don't have any experience with vmware or virtualbox
2018-05-22 20:33:27 <mps> X^RegProg: sorry, I can't help you with virtualbox because I don't know anything about it
2018-05-22 20:33:46 <qrvpzvb> is there a bot here to refer to the wiki?
2018-05-22 20:34:20 <qrvpzvb> in any case, X^RegProg have you https://wiki.alpinelinux.org/wiki/VirtualBox_guest_additions ?
2018-05-22 20:34:27 <X^RegProg> mps: I understand. Thank you anyways
2018-05-22 20:34:41 <mps> you are welcome
2018-05-22 20:34:48 <X^RegProg> qrvpzvb: I have. I totally did that as well.
2018-05-22 20:34:53 <X^RegProg> But still have the problems
2018-05-22 20:35:04 <mps> when you switch to qemu maybe then I could be of some help :)
2018-05-22 20:45:33 <qrvpzvb> X^RegProg: do you have the "base" drivers?
2018-05-22 20:45:45 <qrvpzvb> modesetting and vesa and the like?
2018-05-22 20:46:56 <X^RegProg> qrvpzvb: What are the base drivers?
2018-05-22 20:47:13 <X^RegProg> I think I should have modesetting
2018-05-22 20:47:22 <X^RegProg> but I am not sure
2018-05-22 20:47:28 <qrvpzvb> have you rebooted?
2018-05-22 20:47:37 <X^RegProg> like a million times now
2018-05-22 20:49:14 <qrvpzvb> hmm, are you sure you have the guest additions?
2018-05-22 20:49:16 <X^RegProg> yeap modesetting is installed
2018-05-22 20:49:43 <mps> feuerteufel: tnx, didn't noticed your msg about virtualbox
2018-05-22 20:49:44 <X^RegProg> I am installing vesa now
2018-05-22 20:51:50 <X^RegProg> qrvpzvb: https://wiki.alpinelinux.org/wiki/VirtualBox_guest_additions < This guide says I should have "virtualbox-additions-grsec" installed, but after I tried the mirrors I couldn't find that package, so I did a search and I have installed "virtualbox-guest-additions"
2018-05-22 20:52:08 <X^RegProg> qrvpzvb: Could this probably be the problem?
2018-05-22 20:52:22 <qrvpzvb> dunno, I can't find the -grsec one either
2018-05-22 20:52:30 <X^RegProg> yeap!
2018-05-22 20:52:53 <X^RegProg> qrvpzvb: so this is the problem most likely, right?
2018-05-22 20:53:41 <qrvpzvb> no idea really
2018-05-22 20:54:08 <qrvpzvb> it seems that the vbox kms driver was mainlined
2018-05-22 20:54:25 <X^RegProg> what do you mean mainlined?
2018-05-22 20:54:45 <qrvpzvb> like, it's in the kernel itself you don't have to download the module from oracle
2018-05-22 20:54:54 <X^RegProg> oh
2018-05-22 20:55:14 <X^RegProg> I installed the vesa driver too, still the prblem
2018-05-22 20:55:23 <qrvpzvb> though my kernel is 4.9
2018-05-22 20:55:34 <qrvpzvb> don't know about yours
2018-05-22 20:55:56 <X^RegProg> mine is 4.9.65-1-hardened
2018-05-22 20:56:04 <X^RegProg> #2 Alpine
2018-05-22 20:56:24 <qrvpzvb> same here
2018-05-22 20:56:32 <X^RegProg> You have gui?
2018-05-22 20:56:32 <qrvpzvb> is there even an rolling alpine?
2018-05-22 20:56:48 <qrvpzvb> in any case, the module was added in 4.13 it seems
2018-05-22 20:56:58 <qrvpzvb> so that's unfortunate
2018-05-22 20:57:17 <qrvpzvb> I only using it on a server so no gui
2018-05-22 20:57:51 <X^RegProg> you are lucky
2018-05-22 20:57:59 <X^RegProg> :) ina  sense
2018-05-22 20:58:14 <X^RegProg> I hope you didn't messup your server because of me
2018-05-22 20:59:52 <mps> X^RegProg: try to install linux-vanilla kernel instead of hardened
2018-05-22 21:00:28 <mps> I had problems with X server with qemu when user hardened kernel
2018-05-22 21:00:30 <qrvpzvb> wait
2018-05-22 21:00:46 <qrvpzvb> there seems to be a virtualbox-guest-additions-hardened
2018-05-22 21:01:15 <qrvpzvb> virtualbox-guest-modules-hardened
2018-05-22 21:01:30 <qrvpzvb> and also a virthardened
2018-05-22 21:01:33 <qrvpzvb> don't know the difference
2018-05-22 21:02:04 <qrvpzvb> what's a virt kernel?
2018-05-22 21:02:19 <mps> with hardened kernel (grsec) you have to set some flags for Xorg to run in VM
2018-05-22 21:02:42 <mps> virt kernel are trimmed version for use in VMs
2018-05-22 21:02:49 <qrvpzvb> ah, ok
2018-05-22 21:03:45 <mps> for me, vanilla kernels worked (and works) in VMs without problems
2018-05-22 21:03:48 <X^RegProg> so if I install the hardened additions is it possible it will solve the problem?
2018-05-22 21:04:02 <qrvpzvb> well, try it
2018-05-22 21:04:03 <mps> X^RegProg: not sure
2018-05-22 21:04:32 <mps> if you are novice to the linux system, better is to install vanilla kernel
2018-05-22 21:09:35 <qrvpzvb> what's an apkovl again?
2018-05-22 21:11:01 <_ikke_> a tarball, which contains files / dirs that will be writter over the filesystem
2018-05-22 21:11:38 <qrvpzvb> can you have it install packages?
2018-05-22 21:12:08 <_ikke_> because /etc/apk/world can be part of it, yes
2018-05-22 21:15:46 <qrvpzvb> where can I find more about /etc/apk/world?
2018-05-22 21:16:22 <_ikke_> it's the file that apk uses to store what packages have been explicitly installed
2018-05-22 21:17:58 <qrvpzvb> sure but still... is there any kind of manual for apk, other than the wiki?
2018-05-22 21:18:10 <_ikke_> only apk -h
2018-05-22 21:18:14 <_ikke_> they are working on man pages
2018-05-22 21:18:33 <qrvpzvb> ah, cool
2018-05-22 21:19:17 <clandmeter> documentation has been our "biggest" selling point
2018-05-22 21:19:25 <clandmeter> :)
2018-05-22 21:20:00 <_ikke_> lol
2018-05-22 22:00:46 <cryptos> still building this image the error when booting now is "cant access tty, job control turned off" is this some error due to busy box?
2018-05-22 22:00:52 <azarus> there's a new sndio aport; shouldn't it have a init.d script?
2018-05-23 03:08:37 <black-clover> hello, anyone who has installed wxpython on alpine?
2018-05-23 11:33:42 <qrvpzvb> running from USB is a thing right?
2018-05-23 11:34:14 <_ikke_> yes
2018-05-23 11:37:16 <sillysausage> anyone managed to get firefox working?
2018-05-23 11:37:39 <sillysausage> the normal version that is, in testing
2018-05-23 11:39:59 <sillysausage> currently i'm seeing this https://dpaste.de/ruHU/raw
2018-05-23 11:40:14 <qrvpzvb> so I just Create a Bootable USB and use that as my bootdrive?
2018-05-23 11:40:33 <sillysausage> maybe ncopa knows something seeing as he is maintainer
2018-05-23 11:41:28 <_ikke_> qrvpzvb: yes, that's the idea. Note that if you just write the iso to a usb disk, the filesystem on the disk will be read-only, making it harder to use lbu to persist changes
2018-05-23 11:43:51 <qrvpzvb> _ikke_: and to get around that I can "burn" Alpine on another USB, boot from that and install on the one that I want to actually use ?
2018-05-23 11:46:38 <_ikke_> alpine has a setup-bootable script that prepares a usb disk, but that requires you to already run alpine
2018-05-23 11:46:53 <_ikke_> I usually manually copy the files on the disk and make it bootable
2018-05-23 11:58:44 <ncopa> sillysausage: it looks like you are mixing repos
2018-05-23 12:02:08 <sillysausage> ncopa yeah i have done so
2018-05-23 12:02:19 <sillysausage> but with a tag @testing and @edge
2018-05-23 12:02:38 <sillysausage> actually i'm not using any packages from those right this moment i noticed firefox isn't in the main or community repository
2018-05-23 12:03:32 <sillysausage> unless i use firefox-esr
2018-05-23 12:07:00 <sillysausage> oh i see, there's no "firefox" package in 3.7
2018-05-23 12:07:08 <sillysausage> only edge
2018-05-23 12:08:15 <sillysausage> i haven't used alpinelinux as a desktop for a while, since 3.3 actually
2018-05-23 12:08:30 <sillysausage> when it was in community
2018-05-23 12:11:30 <ncopa> you have firefox-esr in community
2018-05-23 12:12:57 <sillysausage> yeah that's what i'm using currently it will do fine :)
2018-05-23 12:13:11 <sillysausage> i wasn't used to there being two packages seeing as i've not used alpine in a while
2018-05-23 12:20:24 <sillysausage> exit
2018-05-23 12:45:58 <qrvpzvb> :q
2018-05-23 12:46:06 <qrvpzvb> oops
2018-05-23 14:49:35 <bn_work> hi, what exactly does `apk audit` mode do?  I'm reading https://wiki.alpinelinux.org/wiki/Alpine_Linux_package_management but it doesn't really say... ?
2018-05-23 14:50:42 <bn_work> it seems like it requires some options and shows what has changed in a dir?  I was hoping I could use it to see all files that were installed by a package, is that possible?
2018-05-23 14:50:45 <duncan^> It audits the directories for changes
2018-05-23 14:51:35 <duncan^> if you want to see all files installed by a package, you can go to pkgs.alpinelinux.org, search for a package (search takes wildcards) and the select the package, and then view contents.
2018-05-23 14:51:55 <duncan^> or search for a package on the contents tab in pkgs.
2018-05-23 14:51:59 <duncan^> pkgs.alpinelinux.org*
2018-05-23 15:00:55 <bn_work> ok, thanks.  trying to see if the python2-2.7.14  package comes with pip (can't seem to find it)
2018-05-23 15:06:15 <bn_work> hmm, so I guess pip is not packaged with the apk version of python2-2.7.14? (despite what https://pip.pypa.io/en/stable/installing/ says?) :/
2018-05-23 15:06:22 <bn_work> https://pkgs.alpinelinux.org/contents?file=*pip*&path=&name=python2&branch=v3.7&repo=main&arch=x86_64
2018-05-23 15:11:04 <pax_rhos> hello
2018-05-23 15:11:53 <pax_rhos> could someone please copy php5-memcache and php5-imagick from 3.4/3.5's repo to 3.6 and 3.7?
2018-05-23 15:23:42 <_ikke_> pax_rhos: sorry, what?
2018-05-23 15:41:42 <TBB> probably wants those packages for more recent releases
2018-05-23 15:55:53 <pax_rhos> yeah
2018-05-23 15:56:39 <pax_rhos> should php5-* packages add their configs to php-fpm?
2018-05-23 16:18:44 <azarus> Uh, firefox-60.0.1 broken for anyone else?
2018-05-23 16:18:57 <azarus> Can't open any page.
2018-05-23 16:19:13 <azarus> Even after removing ~/.mozilla :(
2018-05-23 16:19:38 <azarus> Ah, turns out, it was firejail
2018-05-23 16:28:02 <bn_work> does alpine linux's busybox install not include telnet client as shown in  https://busybox.net/downloads/BusyBox.html ?
2018-05-23 16:32:34 <qrvpzvb> is GRUB or Syslinux ?
2018-05-23 16:34:08 <TBB> bn_work: busybox is split into two packages, one that contains the bare necessities and one that contains the extras
2018-05-23 16:35:00 <mps> telnet is in busybox-extras
2018-05-23 16:35:14 <bn_work> TBB: what is considered the "bare necessities" ?  is there a list somewhere?
2018-05-23 16:36:05 <_ikke_> bn_work: https://git.alpinelinux.org/cgit/aports/tree/main/busybox/busyboxconfig
2018-05-23 16:36:41 <mps> run busybox-extras from cli and it will show what contains
2018-05-23 16:37:01 <_ikke_> telnet is in busybox-extras because it's considered insecure
2018-05-23 16:37:20 <_ikke_> just like ftp and rsh
2018-05-23 16:38:55 <bn_work> does anyone actually use telnet client for its intended purpose?  the common use case seems to just use to test if a port is open, which is what I wanted to do... but no matter, it looks like `nc` is at least available I guess
2018-05-23 16:39:27 <qrvpzvb> It appears that on my install, there's both syslinux and grub... is the first only used when on legacy (BIOS) systems and the other for UEFI ones?
2018-05-23 16:39:49 <_ikke_> bn_work: yeah, nc is a better choice for that
2018-05-23 16:41:07 <programmerq> bn_work▸ sometimes I use it to watch star wars in ascii
2018-05-23 16:41:21 <bn_work> lol
2018-05-23 16:42:42 <bn_work> programmerq: https://asciinema.org/ 👍
2018-05-23 16:43:49 <programmerq> I remember when I started using linux back in the 90s telnet was fairly de facto. I remember figuring out how to show keystrokes over tcpdump and I thought "neat!"
2018-05-23 16:48:08 <bn_work> programmerq: I thought ANSI demos were pretty cool, then I found oscilloscope demos  O_o  (and here I thought lissajous patterns were already neat!)
2018-05-23 16:49:30 <bn_work> yeah, come to think of it I used telnet for its intended purpose back then too, had forgotten about that
2018-05-23 17:02:24 <fattredd> Wow those are pretty cool
2018-05-23 17:02:29 <fattredd> Any favorites?
2018-05-23 17:18:33 <TBB> my Commodore 64 can't unfortunately handle SSH sessions reasonably well so yeah, there's still use for telnet :)
2018-05-23 17:19:29 <black-clover> problem with alsa, as root works, added user "abc" to /etc/group audio, checked if user "abc" belongs to audio and still alsa doesn't work for the user
2018-05-23 17:19:54 <programmerq> I remember the first time I tried installing ssh, my distro didn't have scripts set up to generate the keys on demand so it wouldn't start.
2018-05-23 17:23:14 <TBB> black-clover, and you did log in as abc after adding the user to the audio group?
2018-05-23 17:23:46 <black-clover> yes
2018-05-23 17:24:23 <black-clover> TBB: i guess is a permission issue but not specific to audio
2018-05-23 17:28:07 <TBB> that could very well be, so your checklist would be to start with the actual device node permissions, see if they're right and next check the user permissions to, I don't know, alsa related stuff in the user's home directory or something?
2018-05-23 17:35:18 <black-clover> TBB:ok will check that, i think its a user permission thing because with sudo alsamixer it works
2018-05-23 18:06:31 <sy> Hi
2018-05-23 18:06:42 <sy> Why aren't there any packages in http://mirror.yandex.ru/mirrors/alpine/v3.8/community/x86_64/ ?
2018-05-23 18:09:11 <TBB> because 3.8 is not out yet
2018-05-23 18:10:09 <sy> that would explain it
2018-05-23 18:12:26 <sy> is there something i can subscribe to to get emails when it is?
2018-05-23 18:32:00 <_ikke_> sy: https://alpinelinux.org/atom.xml
2018-05-23 18:43:42 <sy> _ikke_: perfect, thanks
2018-05-23 18:53:24 <onizo> sup ya'll. getting an error: unsatisfiable constraints when trying to install opencv-dev via apk. thought I would ask here first. =)
2018-05-23 19:12:08 <TBB> it's in edge; are you using the correct pinning to install it?
2018-05-23 19:12:59 <TBB> in other words, whatever name you have for edge testing repo, did you use apk add opencv-dev@edge-testing (replace edge-testing with whatever name you use for it in your repository config)
2018-05-23 19:18:32 <onizo> I didn't try edge. will do so now. thank you
2018-05-23 19:20:27 <TBB> np
2018-05-24 09:06:10 <markweston> does anyone here has a write permission to aports repo?
2018-05-24 09:06:18 <markweston> *have
2018-05-24 09:06:28 <markweston> *has
2018-05-24 09:39:48 <tommyb_13> /NAMES
2018-05-24 14:26:32 <cryptonix2> how to get unicode to work in tmux?
2018-05-24 14:40:04 <cryptonix2> nvm
2018-05-24 16:20:31 <fattredd> Anybody know a way to change the font in tty?
2018-05-24 16:22:14 <jn__> setfont worked the last time i tried it
2018-05-24 16:28:34 <TBB> fattredd: /etc/conf.d/consolefont has the config, rc-update add consolefont <runlevel> applies it
2018-05-24 16:29:16 <fattredd> Nice. Thanks guys
2018-05-24 16:30:46 <jn__> TBB: aah, persistent configuration is of course nicer :)
2018-05-24 17:11:40 <fattredd> Hmm... When I run setfont I'm getting an error
2018-05-24 17:12:02 <fattredd> setfont: ioctl 0x4b72 failed: Invalid Argument
2018-05-24 17:26:20 <fattredd> No idea what's wrong
2018-05-24 18:10:18 <via> win 17
2018-05-24 18:10:20 <via> dammit
2018-05-24 18:10:26 <jn__> fattredd: in which tty did you run setfont?
2018-05-24 18:10:40 <jn__> (aka. what does "tty" say there?)
2018-05-24 18:25:52 <fattredd> ./dev/tty1
2018-05-24 18:34:47 <sy> fun fact in most clients you can send a message starting with / by using two //
2018-05-24 18:49:21 <fattredd> Not mIRC apparently
2018-05-24 18:49:59 <solar> you have to hold ctrl or something like that when using mirc
2018-05-24 18:56:34 <fattredd> /testing
2018-05-24 18:56:40 <fattredd> well there you go
2018-05-24 18:56:52 <fattredd> Golly, that WAS fun
2018-05-24 22:39:21 <grimeton> hi
2018-05-24 22:39:37 <grimeton> dl-5 is offline due to a power outage. i'm waiting on a response from the dc as they're working on it
2018-05-24 22:46:24 <grimeton> ok, it's back online
2018-05-24 22:46:27 <grimeton> l8r
2018-05-25 00:55:13 <black-clover> hello, i'm having  wird problem with firefox-esr, there are no bars and the widgets are all wrong, istalles the faenza pkg but no change
2018-05-25 01:45:58 <black-clover> hello. anyone who can help me with a firefox widgets problem?
2018-05-25 04:34:53 <TBB> black-clover, I would love to know the reason for this problem as well, I randomly hit the same problem and it is probably the most fucking annoying problem I've had with Alpine so far
2018-05-25 04:38:02 <black-clover> TBB: yeah there are some little problems, probably due to the novelty of the distro and the unusual libs , but all in all is a very neat distro. a reliable browser is a main question, i installed conkeror to run with the firefox engine but that too acts strange so i think the issue is related to firefox widgets
2018-05-25 04:38:53 <TBB> it's a gtk related problem
2018-05-25 04:39:14 <TBB> gtk theming in Alpine is broken somehow
2018-05-25 04:39:58 <TBB> that said, here's the usual disclaimer: it just might be fixed in edge
2018-05-25 04:40:57 <black-clover> TBB: good to know which browser do you use now in alpine?
2018-05-25 04:45:08 <TBB> chromium; I don't like it but what can you do
2018-05-25 04:49:14 <black-clover> TBB: that'd be 64 bit, I run 32 and use netsurf which is very limited
2018-05-25 06:43:45 <cw789> Dear Alpine, my first IRC message ever. So I've following short questions as preparation for planning a new infrastructure for a client.
2018-05-25 06:44:09 <_ikke_> cw789: welcome
2018-05-25 06:44:17 <Roserin> hello
2018-05-25 06:44:38 <cw789> 1. When will LXC 3.0 will be available on Alpine?
2018-05-25 06:46:32 <_ikke_> cw789: due to alpine working on the next release (3.8), there is a bit of a feature freeze right now
2018-05-25 06:46:56 <cw789> 2. Alpine 3.8 will not have a hardened Kernel, is this right? Why did you guys make this decision? Will this mean Alpine Releases will came more frequently, with newer Kernels? Is there any timeline when 3.8 will be released?
2018-05-25 06:47:57 <_ikke_> cw789: The harned kernel that was being used was unmaintanable, they could not patch it for spectre/meltdown
2018-05-25 06:48:03 <_ikke_> hardened*
2018-05-25 06:48:45 <_ikke_> THe other questions I cannot answer myself
2018-05-25 06:51:50 <cw789> Ok. Thanks for welcoming me and answering the first parts of my questions.
2018-05-25 10:31:47 <markweston> can anybody please review my PR to update nano to 2.9.7?
2018-05-25 10:33:16 <markweston> github.com/alpinelinux/pull/4295
2018-05-25 10:34:07 <markweston> nobody said anything for over a week
2018-05-25 10:35:07 <azarus> markweston: right now there's a feature freeze (somewhat) going on
2018-05-25 10:35:24 <azarus> it will most certainly be dealt with, even if after 3.8
2018-05-25 10:36:05 <markweston> ugh, it has two features I really want that I myself helped to introduce
2018-05-25 10:36:59 <markweston> one is the 'afterends' nanorc option which I sent a patch to implement
2018-05-25 10:37:20 <markweston> and there was a bug fixed that I reported
2018-05-25 10:37:46 <duncan^> Why "ugh"?
2018-05-25 10:37:46 <markweston> before 2.9.7 you could not rebind a key to toggle linenumber display
2018-05-25 10:38:18 <markweston> I really want it to be merged and it's a feature freeze
2018-05-25 10:45:54 <azarus> You could always just install the package you've just written ;)
2018-05-25 11:25:11 <TBB> ahhhh. repackaged a stable community package that required deps in pinned repos (how's that even possible), aaaaaand by installing those deps broke my X :D
2018-05-25 11:25:46 <azarus> lesson is: mix and match, have a bad time
2018-05-25 11:26:05 <TBB> not my fault if a stable package requires edge to even build
2018-05-25 11:26:16 <TBB> that's a packaging fuckup of epic proportions
2018-05-25 11:28:09 <TBB> this is exactly why I wrote a complete system that both replaces Alpine installer and sandboxes build environment so this can't happen... only this time I did the mistake of not using it :P
2018-05-25 11:28:29 <TBB> "trust your feelings, Luke"
2018-05-25 11:35:24 <TBB> and the last time I ran full edge I got a system that wiped out the first 16 KB of the / partition
2018-05-25 11:36:17 <TBB> which was hilarious to me but less than for my colleagues who used it as a surfboard
2018-05-25 12:24:48 <duncan^> TBB: which package are you referring to?
2018-05-25 12:29:04 <tmh1999> cryptos: re mkimage, still have problems ?
2018-05-25 13:38:39 <TBB> duncan^: turns out the fuckup of epic proportions is on my side
2018-05-25 13:39:27 <TBB> I've managed to somewhat restore the system into a usable state, but two problems remain: logging out from an i3 session no longer works and switching from tty to tty now takes several seconds...
2018-05-25 15:05:26 <TBB> pfft. why do packages listed in depends="" get installed for build time if there are other *depends* variables for exactly that purpose?
2018-05-25 16:10:30 <hydrogen[m]> hi, any reason why `libcurl` package switched to libressl? this breaks it running in any application linked to openssl as seen in https://bugs.alpinelinux.org/issues/8923
2018-05-25 16:12:06 <_ikke_> hydrogen[m]: mostly because most of alpine is linked against libressl
2018-05-25 16:13:33 <hydrogen[m]> it would probably be easiest to see if we can switch our application to libressl, though this is a bit of a scary issue due to the lack of symbol versioning
2018-05-25 16:14:06 <_ikke_> hydrogen[m]: as far as I can see, that commit just links it to a newer version of libressl
2018-05-25 16:14:49 <hydrogen[m]> oh, ouch, actually our main dependent on openssl is the nodejs library
2018-05-25 16:14:54 <hydrogen[m]> also, hm, really?
2018-05-25 16:15:03 <hydrogen[m]> perhaps I was comparing to an even older version of libcurl ldd output
2018-05-25 16:15:13 <hydrogen[m]> or perhaps older libressl has more compatible ABI to openssl
2018-05-25 16:55:24 <hydrogen[m]> yes, it turns out we can't switch our binary to run with only libressl
2018-05-25 16:56:00 <hydrogen[m]> it's non-trivial to port nodejs to libressl, and we run that in-process 😕
2018-05-25 19:21:21 <hazward> Hello guys I'm thinking about setting up an Alpine host as a virtualization server but I'm not sure if I should go with KVM or Xen. I'm planning on running virtual machines and LXC containers and I know libvirt can be used to manage that but what would you guys recommend?
2018-05-25 19:53:47 <Youbi> Hello! I’m trying to install zbar but I get the following error : https://dpaste.de/swUK/raw
2018-05-25 19:54:06 <Youbi> Is the package broken or should I upgrade my system first before trying to install it?
2018-05-25 20:01:58 <superduck> I just setup samba on alpine linux and tried to use the linux 'guest' account as my samba 'guest' account, only to discover something special about uid 405 and samba not interacting nicely. I can't see that being a samba bug, so I'm curious where I might find out why the 'guest' account with uid 405 might be restricted on alpine linux and where such configuration exists
2018-05-25 20:06:43 <andrzej> hey
2018-05-25 20:07:04 <andrzej> is docker available for alpine from main repo by apk add ?
2018-05-25 20:07:18 <duncan^> andrzej: yes
2018-05-25 20:07:36 <Youbi> andrzej: `apk search docker` :)
2018-05-25 20:07:41 <duncan^> andrzej: for future reference, try 'apk search docker' or type the query in to pkgs.alpinelinux.org
2018-05-25 20:07:56 <Youbi> superduck: what do you mean by “samba not interacting nicely” ?
2018-05-25 20:08:14 <andrzej> actually I don't have any alrpine running, thats why asking here
2018-05-25 20:08:41 <duncan^> Youbi: Are you using Edge while installing zbar?
2018-05-25 20:08:56 <superduck> Youbi: samba guest accounts cannot write to /mnt/share when it is owned guest:users and Samba is configured guest account = guest.
2018-05-25 20:09:17 <superduck> Youbi: However when I change the uid in /etc/passwd of guest from 405 to 400, samba starts working
2018-05-25 20:09:36 <andrzej> I have some Athlon64 x2 machine on which I wish to run alpine because it will be much faster than installing there CentOS :)
2018-05-25 20:09:50 <andrzej> or Fedora
2018-05-25 20:10:15 <Youbi> duncan^: I’m using edge yup
2018-05-25 20:10:38 <Youbi> superduck: strange Oo
2018-05-25 20:10:39 <duncan^> Edge is rolling release, try the latest packages
2018-05-25 20:10:53 <tmh1999> hazward: I'd go with KVM
2018-05-25 20:11:02 <Youbi> superduck: perms are sometimes tricky to handle with samba/nfs shares :/
2018-05-25 20:11:31 <superduck> Youbi: this isn't a permission issue, it's a literal uid modification /samba interaction issue
2018-05-25 20:11:31 <tmh1999> Youbi: are you on edge to install zbar ?
2018-05-25 20:11:37 <Youbi> andrzej: oh ok :) then pkgs.alpinelinux.org might be helpful, as stated by duncan^ :)
2018-05-25 20:12:01 <Youbi> tmh1999: Yup, edge, as advised by duncan^ I’ll upgrade and try again
2018-05-25 20:12:04 <superduck> Maybe pax, anyone know how I can view pax controls that might exist?
2018-05-25 20:12:13 <andrzej> Youbi: thanks
2018-05-25 20:12:25 <tmh1999> best of luck
2018-05-25 20:13:43 <Youbi> I’ve little hope, my imagemagick and imagemagick-dev pkgs are up to date :/
2018-05-25 20:17:49 <TBB> superduck: depends on how they were set; pax flags can be set in either extra attributes or in the binary header
2018-05-25 20:18:15 <TBB> paxctl for the latter, maybe paxmark for the former?
2018-05-25 20:20:36 <Youbi> duncan^ tmh1999 : nope, uptodate and zbar package still has unsatisfiable constraints :/
2018-05-25 20:22:53 <superduck> TBB: my issue is that uid 405 when assumed by samba cannot write to a uid 405 owned directory
2018-05-25 20:23:30 <superduck> The 'guest' account is uid 405 on my system. If I change it's uid to 400, samba works. Change it back to 405, broken.
2018-05-25 20:25:55 <duncan^> Youbi: Report it on bugs.alpinelinux.org
2018-05-25 20:26:05 <duncan^> or email the maintainer
2018-05-25 20:26:43 <superduck> If anyone can help with what hardening Alpine does so I can find out why uid 405 is special, that'd be fantastic.
2018-05-25 20:26:55 <Youbi> Yep, I’ll report it and assign to the maintainer if possible :)
2018-05-25 20:27:01 <Youbi> Thanks for your help anyway :)
2018-05-25 20:27:02 <superduck> I'm running a linux-hardened kernel, is that still have grsec permissions?
2018-05-25 20:27:18 <_ikke_> in 3.7 it still has
2018-05-25 20:27:32 <_ikke_> after that, there won't be a hardened kernel anymore for the time being
2018-05-25 20:28:50 <tmh1999> Youbi: paste your /etc/apk/world ?
2018-05-25 20:31:07 <superduck> _ikke_: Alpine is ditching the hardened kernel patches?
2018-05-25 20:31:21 <Youbi> https://dpaste.de/YfMw/raw tmh1999
2018-05-25 20:32:12 <tmh1999> <superduck> : Alpine has to
2018-05-25 20:32:30 <pardis> superduck: Are you updating everything to use the new uid after you change it in /etc/passwd?
2018-05-25 20:32:41 <pardis> That is, chowning the guest-owned files and reloading/restarting samba?
2018-05-25 20:33:15 <superduck> pardis: Yes, I've got a dummy /var/tmp/share I'm updating /etc/passwd, chown /var/tmp/share, restart samba, smbclient -U% -c 'put file file1'
2018-05-25 20:33:35 <pardis> That is really quite odd
2018-05-25 20:33:40 <pardis> What is the specific error smbclient gives you when it fails?
2018-05-25 20:33:58 <superduck> NT_STATUS_ACCESS_DENIED opening remote file \foobar23
2018-05-25 20:34:24 <superduck> Trying to rename test.txt to foobar23 in that use case.
2018-05-25 20:34:31 <pardis> Ah, of course it would translate the error into something Windowsy
2018-05-25 20:34:48 <superduck> I'm trying to understand what in alpine linux might be configured that would limit the guest account in a special fashion.
2018-05-25 20:34:50 <pardis> It might be worth stracing samba to see what the actual error the kernel gives back is (and which syscall fails)
2018-05-25 20:34:59 <pardis> That's likely to be a useful hint as to where to look
2018-05-25 20:35:12 <superduck> vi /etc/passwd ; chown guest: /var/tmp/share ; service samba restart ; sleep 2 ; smbclient -U% //localhost/public -c 'put /root/test.txt foobar1'
2018-05-25 20:35:44 <superduck> I switch from uid 405 to uid 400 for the 'guest' user, and that smbclient put works, I change from 400 to 405, it fails. And now to pull out strace.
2018-05-25 20:35:58 <pardis> Or looking at the samba logs, if the error is in there (I don't use samba so I'm not sure how verbose it is)
2018-05-25 20:36:33 <superduck> I haven't gotten anything meaningful out of samba logs, and I might need to ptrace a fork execed instance unless I can forground samba
2018-05-25 20:36:39 <tmh1999> Youbi: imagemagick was upgraded recently and those who depend on it might not have been built with it.
2018-05-25 20:36:51 <Youbi> Oh :/
2018-05-25 20:37:01 <Youbi> Just posted an issue on the bug tracker :)
2018-05-25 20:37:06 <tmh1999> okay cool
2018-05-25 20:37:08 <pardis> You can strace a running daemon with strace -p (you may need to specify -p multiple times if there are multiple workers, and of course -f is always helpful)
2018-05-25 20:37:17 <Youbi> I’ll email the maintainer and just wait.
2018-05-25 20:42:23 <Latrina> guys good evening, I installed the package easy-rsa though I can't seem to be able to find the binaries clean-all, build.dh and pkitool
2018-05-25 20:42:28 <Latrina> what am I doing wrong?
2018-05-25 20:44:49 <TBB> those are, according to pkgs.alpinelinux.org content search, in package py-fedmsg
2018-05-25 20:45:09 <zNVxxliww5gP> in such cases the easiest is to check the APKBUILD what and how is being packaged
2018-05-25 20:47:49 <Latrina> thanks TBB
2018-05-25 20:47:51 <Latrina> :)
2018-05-25 21:15:43 <superduck> pardis: It's not a syscall that fails, but a change in arguments to an open call with O_CREAT when uid != 405 and omitting O_CREAT when uid == 405.
2018-05-25 21:17:28 <superduck> I can't imagine samba has some deep loathing of uid 405, that'd be too weird. More likely my alpine install has some setting that's restricting uid 405, and I can't fathom what might be causing it. I used to use grsec, but I downloaded gradm and it said I don't have a grsec kernel, so I'm not sure what other RBAC or MAC controls Alpine might have enabled without my knowledge.
2018-05-25 21:18:11 <superduck> tmh1999: why does alpine have to stop providing linux-hardened? I understand grsec not being publicly available, but what about the gentoo hardened patches?
2018-05-25 21:18:16 <pardis> It's just as unlikely that Alpine is arbitrarily restricting specific uids
2018-05-25 21:18:40 <pardis> It's better to work towards a logical conclusion based on the evidence
2018-05-25 21:18:54 <pardis> Does the file you're trying to access exist? If not, of course open without O_CREAT is going to fail
2018-05-25 21:18:57 <superduck> I'm checking out the samba source  code right now.
2018-05-25 21:19:06 <superduck> No, no it doesn't.
2018-05-25 21:19:35 <superduck> Which is why that call fails, but more importantly is not that the call fails, but the logic preceding it that determines why they don't attempt an O_CREAT with the open.
2018-05-25 21:20:00 <pardis> Indeed
2018-05-25 21:21:02 <superduck> There's probably a stat call and some setegid seteuid that might be related.
2018-05-25 21:26:04 <superduck> there's some X.509 DN's with CN=405 that's disturbing.... RSSubscriber-Display,CN=405
2018-05-25 21:51:31 <superduck> how can I download an apk with apk? i.e. keep it in a cache under /var/cache/apk?
2018-05-25 21:51:46 <solar> apk fetch
2018-05-25 21:53:10 <superduck> Is there anything special about the assignment of the guest user to uid 405?
2018-05-26 08:29:04 <krant> Anybody knows Alpine roadmap regarding gcc? Both 3.7 and edge are stuck with gcc 6.4.0, is it ok?
2018-05-26 08:32:15 <krant> meh
2018-05-26 11:34:51 <nekOwOseam> hewwo UwU
2018-05-26 12:52:21 <tmh1999> krant: we need upstream to merge it before we can do anything : https://github.com/richfelker/musl-cross-make/pull/40
2018-05-26 13:55:46 <wewlad> hello
2018-05-26 13:56:32 <wewlad> what is the reason why a package is present in repos of older versions of alpine but is not present at all in the repos for more recent versions of alpine?
2018-05-26 13:57:08 <_ikke_> wewlad: might be because it became unmaintained
2018-05-26 13:57:34 <wewlad> _ikke_: but couldn't it at least be just copied?
2018-05-26 13:57:41 <wewlad> maybe it works
2018-05-26 13:58:17 <pardis> You can always pull it out of the aports git history and build it yourself
2018-05-26 13:58:20 <pardis> Then you can find out if it works or why it doesn't
2018-05-26 13:59:12 <_ikke_> wewlad: It usually means there has been a build issue. Packages that juist build correctly are kept
2018-05-26 14:03:58 <wewlad> _ikke_: oh
2018-05-26 14:04:04 <wewlad> that's probably the case then
2018-05-26 14:04:26 <_ikke_> wewlad: what package are you talking about?
2018-05-26 14:04:41 <wewlad> php5-imagick is not present in alpines 3.6 and 3.7, also those repos have a more recent version of imagemagick
2018-05-26 14:05:12 <_ikke_> so that's a subpackage
2018-05-26 14:05:18 <wewlad> well, yeah
2018-05-26 14:05:53 <wewlad> I also wish any repo would have php5-memcached, but they don't, there's only php7-memcached since alpine 3.6 :(
2018-05-26 14:07:19 <wewlad> same issue with php5-memcahe being absent since 3.6 (memcached version increased in 3.6 and in 3.7)
2018-05-26 14:30:47 <mps> how to set src in APKBUILD for github repo without any release
2018-05-26 14:31:08 <_ikke_> mps: that's a challenge
2018-05-26 14:31:25 <mps> no, real one
2018-05-26 14:31:34 <mps> https://github.com/cjd/mtpfs
2018-05-26 14:31:48 <mps> zero releases
2018-05-26 14:33:00 <zNVxxliww5gP> maybe open a ticket on github to make it into a release? seems the last commit was in 2016.
2018-05-26 14:33:34 <qman__> or fork it and make your own release
2018-05-26 14:33:49 <mps> zNVxxliww5gP: thought to fork it and make release, but I don't have github account
2018-05-26 14:34:23 <mps> qman__: thought so, but look my previous msg
2018-05-26 14:34:37 <qman__> so make one
2018-05-26 14:34:43 <qman__> it's free and takes about five minutes
2018-05-26 14:35:19 <mps> cannot explain but I feel some gut aversion to open github account
2018-05-26 14:35:51 <duncan^> it's great for making issues though
2018-05-26 14:36:13 <qman__> that sounds like a personal problem
2018-05-26 14:36:25 <qman__> you can always clone it and release it on another platform
2018-05-26 14:36:30 <mps> in the case of mentioned mtpfs I made local tarball and solved problem
2018-05-26 14:37:28 <mps> but noticed that it doesn't have any release, so the question popped up
2018-05-26 14:53:31 <wewlad> google will buy github
2018-05-26 14:53:33 <wewlad> mmw
2018-05-26 14:55:26 <mps> wewlad: huh, mu gut feelings are right :(
2018-05-26 14:56:14 <wewlad> freedom warrior, aren't ya?
2018-05-26 14:56:59 <mps> well, google take free tech extend and monetize
2018-05-26 14:57:11 <wewlad> good for them
2018-05-26 14:57:13 <mps> xmpp to hangout
2018-05-26 14:57:33 <mps> for them yes but for rest of the us, is it?
2018-05-26 14:57:42 <wewlad> money rules the world, who'd have thought
2018-05-26 14:58:44 <mps> maybe, but money cannot move world
2018-05-26 15:01:44 <duncan^> There's no evidence Google is going to buy Github.
2018-05-26 15:03:55 <duncan^> so the last 10 lines are words in the wind
2018-05-26 15:05:06 <mps> duncan^: hope that you are right
2018-05-26 15:52:20 <g1i7ch> hello. i tried installing xfce on alpine. long story short, it boots to a black screen and freezes until power cycle. is there a way to boot into a command prompt to disable it or is there a better way? thanks :)
2018-05-26 15:53:06 <wewlad> why would you do that?
2018-05-26 15:54:43 <g1i7ch> wewlad: because it boots then freezes
2018-05-26 15:55:14 <wewlad> I mean why would you try to install xfce on alpine?
2018-05-26 15:57:00 <pardis> g1i7ch: Does Ctrl+Alt+F1 not even work to switch to a text console?
2018-05-26 15:57:04 <pardis> It sounds like X is just broken
2018-05-26 15:57:19 <g1i7ch> pardis: correct
2018-05-26 15:57:36 <pardis> Try editing the kernel boot parameters to add -s, which should get you into single-user mode
2018-05-26 15:57:36 <g1i7ch> i was thinking boot live cd -> edit something?
2018-05-26 15:57:42 <pardis> Or that
2018-05-26 15:57:56 <g1i7ch> how would I do that pardis ?
2018-05-26 15:58:17 <pardis> I think 'e' normally goes into edit mode in GRUB
2018-05-26 15:58:19 <pardis> Not sure if you're using syslinux
2018-05-26 15:58:42 <wewlad> grub?
2018-05-26 15:58:56 <wewlad> people do use alpine outside of docker?
2018-05-26 15:59:01 <g1i7ch> yes im using grub and yes its e
2018-05-26 15:59:27 <g1i7ch> wewlad: it's a dual-core 1Ghz laptop from ~2009 so yea :P
2018-05-26 15:59:35 <pardis> If you want to go the live CD route, I'd just mount the root filesystem and chroot into it
2018-05-26 15:59:38 <pardis> Then you can use rc-update as normal
2018-05-26 16:00:10 <wewlad> does it... does it support any drivers?
2018-05-26 16:00:23 <pardis> It's just Linux
2018-05-26 16:00:33 <pardis> It's not like it's difficult to support hardware, you just configure it in
2018-05-26 16:00:41 <g1i7ch> wewlad: i think thats my issue, its not loading the correct driver for the cideo card
2018-05-26 16:00:46 <wewlad> linux is a kernel, it doesn't support anything except for CPU
2018-05-26 16:01:10 <g1i7ch> its mentioned in some X log i dont remember which
2018-05-26 16:01:15 <pardis> wewlad: No, that's wrong
2018-05-26 16:01:22 <koollman> wewlad: it supports most of the rest of the hardware too...
2018-05-26 16:01:24 <pardis> The kernel is what supports most hardware
2018-05-26 16:01:31 <pardis> With the exception of some X userspace drivers
2018-05-26 16:01:38 <koollman> it's not a microkernel, it's a fat kernel :)
2018-05-26 16:01:42 <wewlad> even wi-fi?
2018-05-26 16:01:45 <koollman> yes
2018-05-26 16:01:50 <pardis> Well, sort of
2018-05-26 16:01:54 <pardis> You generally need userspace support for WPA
2018-05-26 16:01:58 <pardis> But the actual wifi card drivers are in the kernel
2018-05-26 16:02:08 <koollman> and most of the wifi handling too
2018-05-26 16:02:14 <wewlad> I had to install some packages on debian to install drivers for my motherboard's chip
2018-05-26 16:02:21 <wewlad> chipset*
2018-05-26 16:02:45 <pardis> That's more likely to have been firmware than drivers
2018-05-26 16:02:58 <pardis> Debian separates the non-free firmware out of the normal kernel package
2018-05-26 16:03:01 <wewlad> yeah, firmware. What's the difference?
2018-05-26 16:03:09 <pardis> Drivers run on your CPU, firmware runs on the device
2018-05-26 16:03:27 <mps> wewlad: I'm running Alpine on few workstations, X and what not, as primary working boxes
2018-05-26 16:04:05 <mps> and that's after nearly 20 years with Debian experience
2018-05-26 16:04:06 <wewlad> mps: do you build most of the software yourself?
2018-05-26 16:04:12 <mps> no
2018-05-26 16:04:15 <mps> just some
2018-05-26 16:04:31 <wewlad> can it run 'heavy' software?
2018-05-26 16:04:35 <wewlad> like a web browser
2018-05-26 16:04:40 <wewlad> or wine
2018-05-26 16:04:44 <wewlad> or PhpStorm
2018-05-26 16:04:46 <mps> and it works on the x86 (32bit) x86_64 and aarch64
2018-05-26 16:04:59 <pardis> Like I said, it's just Linux, it can run anything Linux can run
2018-05-26 16:05:02 <pardis> So yes
2018-05-26 16:05:09 <pardis> Although for some proprietary stuff you may need a glibc chroot
2018-05-26 16:05:17 <mps> I don't need wine and don't know what is PhpStorm
2018-05-26 16:05:52 <wewlad> well, that's amazing
2018-05-26 16:06:41 <mps> I'm not only one who runs Alpine as primary working box
2018-05-26 16:06:56 <mps> there are a lot of us
2018-05-26 16:07:15 <wewlad> I'm a weirdo too, I use FreeBSD for my home workstation
2018-05-26 16:07:32 <pardis> I've also run it on my laptop before, although these days I run it in OpenBSD's vmm (in which it works great as well)
2018-05-26 16:07:38 <wewlad> it's more mainstream than alpine, I guess, but since it's not a linux - it's more freaky
2018-05-26 16:09:23 <mps> I must admit that I left my old Debian in the LXC container (just in case) which I sometimes run through Xephyr
2018-05-26 16:09:52 <g1i7ch> rc-update and rc-status not found ... whta do i do now?
2018-05-26 16:10:33 <mps> but, most work I do with Alpine, libreoffice, gimp, evince, firefox, mpv etc. you know
2018-05-26 16:10:35 <pardis> What is $PATH set to?
2018-05-26 16:12:27 <duncan^> wewlad: How is it "freaky"
2018-05-26 16:12:44 <duncan^> it is an OS. It is Unix-like. You run it on your computer. It runs programs.
2018-05-26 16:12:57 <duncan^> that's not "freaky" at all.
2018-05-26 16:13:37 <wewlad> well, it can't run skype, for example
2018-05-26 16:13:41 <wewlad> or steam
2018-05-26 16:14:11 <wewlad> luckily, at least browsers work
2018-05-26 16:14:23 <wewlad> wine doesn't
2018-05-26 16:14:40 <pardis> You can run Skype or Steam in a chroot if you really want
2018-05-26 16:14:50 <pardis> But that's just because they're dynamically linked against glibc
2018-05-26 16:14:55 <wewlad> no, there are no skype/steam for freebsd
2018-05-26 16:15:03 <pardis> Oh, I thought you were talking about Alpine
2018-05-26 16:15:18 <pardis> FreeBSD can probably still run Skype or Steam, though
2018-05-26 16:15:21 <pardis> It has Linux binary emulation
2018-05-26 16:15:25 <pardis> But I've never tried
2018-05-26 16:15:33 <wewlad> it has linux binary emulation, but it doesn't work
2018-05-26 16:15:41 <qrvpzvb> who searches for apkovls and where?
2018-05-26 16:15:44 <wewlad> because the emulation itself is just not enough
2018-05-26 16:15:57 <wewlad> you need linux libs
2018-05-26 16:16:10 <pardis> Which you could get with a Linux chroot
2018-05-26 16:16:12 <wewlad> and that's something completely not covered by any docs and nothing really works
2018-05-26 16:16:46 <g1i7ch> pardis is there something i can edit in /init ?
2018-05-26 16:18:31 <mps> g1i7ch: /etc/runlevels
2018-05-26 16:19:44 <g1i7ch> there is no /etc/runlevels :O
2018-05-26 16:19:58 <mps> add 'init=/bin/bash' to kernel command line
2018-05-26 16:20:41 <mps> ok, did you installed openrc
2018-05-26 16:20:55 <g1i7ch> i dont remember tbh i followed the wiki
2018-05-26 16:21:40 <pardis> openrc should be there in a standard installation
2018-05-26 16:21:45 <pardis> If you don't have /etc/runlevels, you aren't running Alpine
2018-05-26 16:22:17 <g1i7ch> pardis: uname -a says I am
2018-05-26 16:22:19 <mps> IIRC, /etc/runlevels are in alpine-base or alpine-baselayout
2018-05-26 16:22:23 <g1i7ch> and it's the only thing
2018-05-26 16:22:28 <g1i7ch> on this hdd
2018-05-26 16:23:19 <g1i7ch> i added single to the kernel boot params
2018-05-26 16:23:50 <g1i7ch> and booted into some shell, not sure what tbh ive never done this
2018-05-26 16:24:50 <mps> how did you installed AL on that disk? from tar.gz or iso boot image
2018-05-26 16:25:09 <mps> and what ARCH it is?
2018-05-26 16:25:44 <g1i7ch> mps iso boot image
2018-05-26 16:25:57 <g1i7ch> x86_64
2018-05-26 16:25:57 <mps> and, setup-alpine?
2018-05-26 16:26:01 <g1i7ch> yes
2018-05-26 16:26:22 <mps> strange then. Did it finished successfully
2018-05-26 16:26:40 <mps> i.e. asked you to reboot
2018-05-26 16:26:45 <g1i7ch> yea; i used it for ~a week before deciding to screw it up by installing xfce4 :P
2018-05-26 16:26:49 <g1i7ch> yup
2018-05-26 16:27:08 <g1i7ch> i even installed some stuff like git, python, etc.
2018-05-26 16:27:35 <mps> hmm, which kernel you use hardened or vanilla
2018-05-26 16:28:23 <mps> X have some problems with hardened kernes, in my experience. I had always to tweak it, till I switched to vanilla
2018-05-26 16:28:33 <pardis> It looks like Alpine's initramfs will drop you into a single-user shell *before* switching root
2018-05-26 16:28:45 <mps> s/kernes/kernels/
2018-05-26 16:28:45 <g1i7ch> hardened
2018-05-26 16:29:14 <g1i7ch> i think im gonna scrap xfce4 and just use cmdline :P
2018-05-26 16:29:24 <pardis> Is there anything mounted at /sysroot?
2018-05-26 16:29:25 <g1i7ch> apk is here can i just remove it?
2018-05-26 16:29:26 <mps> anyway, you could boot to cli?
2018-05-26 16:29:28 <g1i7ch> errr no nevermind
2018-05-26 16:29:29 <pardis> If so, try /sysroot/etc/runlevels
2018-05-26 16:29:34 <g1i7ch> lemme check
2018-05-26 16:29:49 <g1i7ch> nothing is in /sysroot
2018-05-26 16:30:21 <mps> g1i7ch: did you installed it to disk 'mode'
2018-05-26 16:31:02 <g1i7ch> mps im not sure i think i booted the live cd then setup-alpine
2018-05-26 16:31:11 <g1i7ch> or maybe setup-disk then setup-alpine i dont remember :(
2018-05-26 16:31:43 <mps> or, whatever you did, add 'init=/bin/sh' to boot kernel parameters and you tweak it then
2018-05-26 16:33:11 <mps> setup-alpine starts setup-disk for you
2018-05-26 16:33:50 <mps> IIRC
2018-05-26 16:33:59 <qrvpzvb> let me ask again, who searches for apkovls and where?
2018-05-26 16:34:04 <qrvpzvb> is it just init?
2018-05-26 16:41:03 <g1i7ch> sorry about that on
2018-05-26 16:41:07 <g1i7ch> so reboot, press e at grub, add /bin/sh to init section?
2018-05-26 16:50:40 <mps> g1i7ch: well, can't remember right but it should be something like to add 'init=/bin/sh'
2018-05-26 16:51:54 <g1i7ch> just tried, no go  still boot to black screen and ctrl-alt-f1 does nothing :/
2018-05-26 16:52:03 <g1i7ch> mps: initrd=/bin/sh?
2018-05-26 16:52:10 <g1i7ch> no wait nevermind that doesnt make sense
2018-05-26 16:52:17 <mps> no. init=/bin/sh
2018-05-26 16:53:58 <g1i7ch> on the same line as linux /boot/vmlinuz-hardened ?
2018-05-26 16:54:09 <g1i7ch> *at the end
2018-05-26 16:54:34 <mps> yes, something like 'modules=sd-mod,usb-storage,ext4 nomodeset rootfstype=ext4 initrd=initramfs-vanilla init=/bin/sh'
2018-05-26 16:55:09 <g1i7ch> initrd is on a seperate line does that matter?
2018-05-26 16:55:25 <mps> is it grub or syslinux
2018-05-26 16:55:40 <g1i7ch> grub
2018-05-26 16:55:44 <mps> ah, so
2018-05-26 16:56:51 <mps> then on the line which begins with 'linux'
2018-05-26 16:57:13 <mps> 'linux /boot/vmlinuz-virt root=LABEL=rootfs modules=sd-mod,usb-storage,ext4 init=/bin/sh'
2018-05-26 16:57:21 <mps> just example
2018-05-26 16:57:45 <g1i7ch> that's what i tried the first time, no go...
2018-05-26 16:58:50 <mps> really, never happened to me that it can't boot to shell with this option
2018-05-26 16:59:15 <g1i7ch> ' linux /boot/vmlinuz-hardened root=UUID="blah" modules=sd-mod,usb-storage,ext3 quiet init=/bin/sh  '
2018-05-26 16:59:15 <mps> even if the filesystem isn't clean
2018-05-26 17:00:08 <mps> remove 'quiet' from command line to see what happens during boot
2018-05-26 17:00:34 <g1i7ch> ok ; what about '/bin/ash' ? isn't almqust the default for alpine?
2018-05-26 17:01:20 <mps> it is busybox actually, and yes it is ash
2018-05-26 17:01:41 <g1i7ch> starting busybox starting slim -> black screen and unresponsive
2018-05-26 17:02:05 <mps> if you installed bash you can specify it also, what I prefer to do
2018-05-26 17:03:05 <mps> eh, also I have slim as display manager
2018-05-26 17:04:39 <g1i7ch> mps same thing, non responsive
2018-05-26 17:05:55 <mps> you removed 'quiet' parameter?
2018-05-26 17:06:44 <g1i7ch> yup
2018-05-26 17:07:08 <mps> can you see any error message during boot, then
2018-05-26 17:07:54 <g1i7ch> no, it just boots normal (well other than being non responsive :( )
2018-05-26 17:08:02 <mps> maybe something like 'can't find bin/ash' or whatever like that
2018-05-26 17:13:15 <mps> hmm, I must admit that I never tried this on Alpine with grub, just with syslinux
2018-05-26 17:14:46 <g1i7ch> nope, just re-checked and no error messages :/
2018-05-26 17:14:53 <g1i7ch> thanks for the help mps :)
2018-05-26 17:15:06 <g1i7ch> trying to think what to do next
2018-05-26 17:15:49 <mps> well, could be that Alpine initram somehow bypass 'init' parameter
2018-05-26 17:16:58 <mps> simple step would be to boot from iso image (cd or flash) mount that disk and edit/remove slim start script in /etc/init.d
2018-05-26 17:17:09 <mps> dirty hack but should works
2018-05-26 17:17:16 <mps> work
2018-05-26 17:18:42 <g1i7ch> gonna give that a go. sec.
2018-05-26 17:19:39 <mps> ok. I'm going to coffe :)
2018-05-26 17:29:29 <g1i7ch> mps: there is no start script in /etc/init.d for slim... could that be the problem?
2018-05-26 17:29:47 <g1i7ch> although im still axing it :P  is it apk remove slim then rc-update ?
2018-05-26 17:31:38 <pardis> init= is processed by the kernel itself, before executing anything in the initramfs
2018-05-26 17:33:16 <mps> g1i7ch: did you installed Alpine in diskless, data or disk mode
2018-05-26 17:33:26 <g1i7ch> dont remember
2018-05-26 17:35:06 <mps> if the Alpine isn't installed in sys mode, it doesn't put anything in the disk, just in lbu
2018-05-26 17:36:19 <mps> if you want to have it in 'normal' installation reinstall it in sys mode
2018-05-26 17:37:35 <g1i7ch> i dont have lbu
2018-05-26 17:45:24 <g1i7ch> ok i found slim in /mnt/etc/init.d  i think i cd'ed into the wrong dir
2018-05-26 17:45:34 <g1i7ch> mps: just deleting the file will work or do i need to do a rc-update ?
2018-05-26 17:48:33 <mps> it should be enough to delete file, but would be to remove symlink from /mnt/etc/runlevels/default
2018-05-26 17:49:18 <mps> s/would be/would be better/
2018-05-26 17:50:05 <mps> so you could later try to start slim with /etc/init.d/slim start
2018-05-26 17:51:52 <mps> rc-update just add/del symlinks in /etc/runlevels subdirs
2018-05-26 17:53:27 <g1i7ch> what about /mnt/etc/runlevels/defualt/dbus ?
2018-05-26 17:53:33 <g1i7ch> it s a broken symlink anyway
2018-05-26 17:55:30 <g1i7ch> gonna reboot and give it a go
2018-05-26 17:57:14 <mps> all symlinks are broken because root filesystem is mounted under /mnt and not /
2018-05-26 17:58:11 <g1i7ch> ahhh
2018-05-26 17:58:24 <mps> of course, if you didn't mount hard disk with another Alpine
2018-05-26 17:58:37 <g1i7ch> WORKED! :D  thank you so much mps  and pardis :D:D
2018-05-26 17:58:59 <g1i7ch> it booteD and i can login normally :D
2018-05-26 17:59:04 <g1i7ch> thanks again :D
2018-05-26 17:59:11 <mps> you are welcome
2018-05-26 20:35:03 <wewlad> weird, I'm ugins docker image of nextcloud:fpm-alpine, it is based on image php:7.1-fpm-alpine3.7, which is based on alpine:3.7, but `cat /etc/alpine-release` returns `3.4.6`, why?
2018-05-26 20:44:29 <_ikke_> wewlad: nextcloud doing something weird
2018-05-26 20:44:47 <_ikke_> php:7.1-fpm-alpine3.7 shows the right release, but nextcloud:fpm-alpine shows an older release
2018-05-26 20:45:20 <_ikke_> yeah, they switched to older repositories
2018-05-26 20:45:35 <_ikke_> cat /etc/apk/repositories
2018-05-26 20:45:36 <wewlad> their app is a failure as well :/
2018-05-26 20:45:41 <_ikke_> http://dl-cdn.alpinelinux.org/alpine/v3.4/main
2018-05-26 20:46:36 <wewlad> > `php:7.1-fpm-alpine3.7 shows the right release`   yeah, although php images suck too, I've also checked those - they use correct version
2018-05-26 20:50:46 <wewlad> _ikke_: but how could that happen? I don't see anything related in their Dockerfile
2018-05-26 21:14:33 <_ikke_> wewlad: where is the dockerfile?
2018-05-26 21:16:05 <_ikke_> wewlad: this one? https://github.com/nextcloud/docker/blob/7a5bf34195dd82b0cfa9ce3c5d64055be9d80a45/13.0/fpm-alpine/Dockerfile
2018-05-26 21:25:55 <wewlad> _ikke_: yeah
2018-05-26 21:26:30 <wewlad> https://github.com/nextcloud/docker/blob/master/13.0/fpm-alpine/Dockerfile shorter url
2018-05-26 21:29:05 <Latrina> guys where would I want to place a group of iptables rules to have them auto loaded at boot?
2018-05-26 21:29:32 <Latrina> I added them in /etc/iptables/iptables.rules but no go
2018-05-26 21:29:49 <Latrina> iptables is already loaded as default run level
2018-05-26 21:31:34 <Latrina> nevermind I will make a local.d script
2018-05-26 22:21:07 <wewlad> alpine 3.4 has broken php5-fpm :/
2018-05-26 22:21:45 <wewlad> main config file (/etc/php5/php-fpm.conf) does work, but it fails to include configs
2018-05-26 22:46:37 <wewlad> oh lawd
2018-05-26 22:46:46 <wewlad> I just figured out what's happening
2018-05-26 22:46:51 <wewlad> this is ridiculous
2018-05-26 22:49:19 <wewlad> alpine should modify its php5 packages to fix this issue
2018-05-26 22:49:58 <wewlad> php-fpm.conf SHOULD NOT contain pool definitions, otherwise you can't define www pool by including a conf file
2018-05-26 23:08:43 <tmh1999> Latrina: you have to enable iptables service by : # rc-update add iptables default and save your rules in /etc/iptables/rules.save
2018-05-26 23:09:05 <tmh1999> you can read script at /etc/init.d/iptables and configuration file at /etc/conf.d/iptables
2018-05-26 23:09:10 <Latrina> yeah got that sorted alreadt
2018-05-26 23:09:15 <Latrina> thanks :)
2018-05-26 23:09:16 <tmh1999> +1
2018-05-26 23:09:41 <Latrina> I am using iptables-restore to restore the preloaded rules
2018-05-26 23:09:50 <tmh1999> that's also a way
2018-05-26 23:10:21 <Latrina> and using local.d to load the syntax rules on boot
2018-05-26 23:11:49 <tmh1999> the 3rd way is adding 'post-up iptables-restore < /etc/iptables/rules-save' to your main interface directive in /etc/network/interface
2018-05-26 23:12:28 <Latrina> oh I didnt know that
2018-05-26 23:12:34 <Latrina> that is also convinient
2018-05-26 23:12:48 <Latrina> thanks for the tips
2018-05-26 23:12:54 <tmh1999> good luck
2018-05-26 23:12:59 <Latrina> :)
2018-05-27 00:54:07 <ghost_> Hello chat
2018-05-27 00:54:59 <ghost_> Trying to start this up take a look if you would https://www.hublinux.com/
2018-05-27 00:56:05 <duncan^> Care to explain what it is?
2018-05-27 00:56:29 <duncan^> and how it is relating to #alpine-linux in some way?
2018-05-27 01:55:57 <sphrak> Hey, im trying to add a openrc service to an alpinelinux docker container, but it does not seem to be willing to autostart when I start the container
2018-05-27 01:56:52 <TBB> containers are not used that way
2018-05-27 01:56:55 <duncan^> I don't think containers use OpenRC...
2018-05-27 01:57:19 <duncan^> Or any init system. That's just not how containers generally work
2018-05-27 01:58:11 <sphrak> hmm right
2018-05-27 01:59:05 <sphrak> it should be a CMD or ENTRYPOINT then,
2018-05-27 06:17:57 <terror> sphrak: Yes. There's no init inside a container unless you start one.
2018-05-27 07:50:56 <graff> I want to run alpine as part of a CI building musl and libc-test
2018-05-27 07:51:38 <graff> Should I expect any issues, is it intended to for this development purpose / usa case?
2018-05-27 07:52:22 <graff> We'd like to use the musl-gcc and musl-clang wrappers with -static
2018-05-27 07:52:39 <graff> It's very possible though, that this is not going to work right?
2018-05-27 07:53:22 <graff> use case*
2018-05-27 10:07:36 <graff> is it possible to retrieve the kernel and initramfs seperately in order to do a qemu installation with kernel boot parameters?
2018-05-27 10:08:31 <graff> this is what I am doing with debian as a workaround for qemu -curses not working properly, and then I can specify a tty and -nographic
2018-05-27 10:12:57 <graff> Alright, nvm. I have a machine that doesn't require the workaround
2018-05-27 10:28:11 <mps> graff: of course, mount -o loop your-iso-image.iso /mnt
2018-05-27 10:28:59 <mps> cp /mnt/boot/{vmlinuz-whatever,initram-whatever} some-dir/
2018-05-27 10:29:06 <mps> umount /mnt
2018-05-27 13:18:35 <kpcyrd> graff: I'm using the alpine docker image to ensure my program builds and runs with musl, works great
2018-05-27 13:45:40 <CustosLimen> hi
2018-05-27 13:45:53 <CustosLimen> how do I get groupadd and useradd on alpine 3.4?
2018-05-27 13:47:23 <CustosLimen> nvm
2018-05-27 14:43:39 <wewlad> hello
2018-05-27 14:43:55 <wewlad> what's the path for user crontab file in alpine?
2018-05-27 15:26:21 <zNVxxliww5gP> the location of the crontab files is not alpine specific, but depends on the cron package you have installed.
2018-05-27 16:24:27 <nekOwOseam> When visiting https://pkgs.alpinelinux.org/packages it gives you the option to go the now deprecated forums
2018-05-27 16:24:44 <nekOwOseam> to go to*
2018-05-27 16:29:59 <_ikke_> nekOwOseam: right, that should be fixed
2018-05-27 16:55:57 <qrvpzvb> so, who is "searching" for apkovls and where?
2018-05-27 16:57:58 <_ikke_> ?
2018-05-27 16:58:22 <qrvpzvb> like, when booting
2018-05-27 16:58:47 <_ikke_> ah
2018-05-27 16:58:52 <qrvpzvb> is it the initrd that searches?
2018-05-27 16:58:53 <_ikke_> the initrd
2018-05-27 16:59:07 <qrvpzvb> so it doesn't happen again
2018-05-27 16:59:34 <_ikke_> https://git.alpinelinux.org/cgit/mkinitfs/tree/initramfs-init.in
2018-05-27 17:03:55 <qrvpzvb> it's a bit of a read
2018-05-27 17:04:12 <qrvpzvb> but I'd assume that apkovls are only found in the same partition as the initrd?
2018-05-27 17:04:32 <qrvpzvb> and only during boot
2018-05-27 17:06:01 <_ikke_> yes, only during boot
2018-05-27 17:06:17 <_ikke_> Not sure if it has to be the same partition as the initrd though
2018-05-27 17:06:25 <_ikke_> you can even specify it as a cmdline arg
2018-05-27 17:09:56 <qrvpzvb> what does the ovl mean?
2018-05-27 17:10:55 <_ikke_> overlay
2018-05-27 17:12:52 <qrvpzvb> ah, you can specify a specific devices to find the apkovl
2018-05-27 17:12:53 <graff> zNVxxliww5gP: i just use crontab -e usually
2018-05-27 17:13:10 <graff> could strace that and see where it looks too
2018-05-27 17:13:11 <qrvpzvb> it can even be read from the network
2018-05-27 17:13:26 <_ikke_> qrvpzvb: right
2018-05-27 17:13:34 <graff> kpcyrd: how clean can that setup be?
2018-05-27 17:13:54 <graff> I don't want a lot of silliness with wasting time with new technologies. outside of gitlab itself
2018-05-27 17:14:19 <graff> we spent a long time to get this set up right, and now i'd like the actual .gitlab-ci.yml files to be dead simple
2018-05-27 17:14:53 <graff> and easily transferable to other projects in the case that someone else wants to reuse it
2018-05-27 17:16:10 <kpcyrd> graff: https://github.com/kpcyrd/sniffglue/blob/master/ci/build.sh#L27-L28
2018-05-27 17:16:24 <kpcyrd> graff: https://github.com/kpcyrd/sniffglue/blob/master/docs/Dockerfile.musl
2018-05-27 17:16:51 <kpcyrd> that's what I use to ensure it builds on musl
2018-05-27 17:17:38 <graff> kpcyrd: it does seem pretty simple. I will research it a bit. was on my list of things to do
2018-05-27 17:18:08 <graff> I wanted actual VMs for my set of fringe tests (alpine, gentoo-musl, void and nixos)
2018-05-27 17:18:15 <graff> but perhaps docker will be better
2018-05-27 17:20:03 <graff> (btw that is with clang + gcc on x86 and x86_64 so I need 8 OS and 16 tests for this part of our CI)
2018-05-27 20:42:44 <Null1> This distro looks like Arch with security in mind?
2018-05-27 21:00:46 <ghost__> I would like to see if anyone has a write-up or video they would like to post here https://www.hublinux.com/ about Alpine
2018-05-27 21:46:13 <jml2> hello
2018-05-27 21:50:50 <jml2> !edge
2018-05-28 03:32:40 <Vaelatern> When running setup-alpine it ends after /mnt/boot is device /dev/vda1 by telling me of an ERROR:  .setup-apkrepos (missing):
2018-05-28 03:32:59 <Vaelatern> thus no ramdisk is created it seems, and I can't reboot.
2018-05-28 03:47:17 <Vaelatern> https://paste.pound-python.org/show/9T0k8HWjEP0dsxkNEEPK/
2018-05-28 03:54:21 <terror> Vaelatern try f to find the fastest mirror
2018-05-28 03:54:38 <Vaelatern> I have in the past, and had the same result
2018-05-28 03:55:48 <Vaelatern> What log file or other verbose output can I enable? I have another hour then I give up on the entire project for good, and I don't want to do that
2018-05-28 03:58:46 <Vaelatern> I'm installing inside OpenBSD's vmm
2018-05-28 03:58:55 <Vaelatern> And I'm using the virt live image, if that matters
2018-05-28 04:06:04 <Vaelatern> And the script exists, the setup-apkrepos script
2018-05-28 04:06:26 <Vaelatern> it works fine, what does the . signify?
2018-05-28 04:20:39 <Vaelatern> Turns out the problem was not enough space
2018-05-28 04:36:58 <_ikke_> Vaelatern: files starting with a '.' are files that are hidden by convention
2018-05-28 04:37:15 <Vaelatern> Yeah, but pkgnames for complaining?
2018-05-28 04:38:22 <_ikke_> sorry?
2018-05-28 04:38:59 <Vaelatern> the string: .setup-apkrepos (missing):
2018-05-28 04:40:51 <_ikke_> I'm not sure, sorry
2018-05-28 04:41:50 <Vaelatern> Why might a package be unsatisfiable? I'm trying to apk add mpv
2018-05-28 04:42:20 <Vaelatern> I guess mpv isn't on alpine o.O
2018-05-28 04:42:59 <_ikke_> You need to add the community repo
2018-05-28 04:43:08 <_ikke_> it's not added by default
2018-05-28 04:43:23 <_ikke_> edit /etc/apk/repositories, copy the repo line, and change main to community
2018-05-28 04:43:39 <_ikke_> Vaelatern: https://pkgs.alpinelinux.org/packages?name=mpv&branch=v3.7&arch=x86_64
2018-05-28 04:48:50 <Vaelatern> Does alpine support resolv.conf.head ?
2018-05-28 04:49:11 <Vaelatern> I'll test it and find out :)
2018-05-28 04:53:37 <Vaelatern> I can't see in the wiki... does alpine support adding a user with lower privileges? I'm going to run an X11 app and don't want to do it as root all that much
2018-05-28 04:55:32 <_ikke_> You can just add normal users, yes
2018-05-28 04:55:36 <_ikke_> addusers <username>
2018-05-28 04:55:42 <Vaelatern> useradd... ahh, it's addusers
2018-05-28 04:55:53 <_ikke_> sorry, adduser
2018-05-28 05:02:56 <Vaelatern> Brilliant. What is the most alpine-esque way of running a process (mpv, needing networking already up, so after bootup) under a de-elevated user? What wiki page should I read?
2018-05-28 05:03:18 <Vaelatern> I appreciate you folks being so kind with my noob questions. I don't know what I'm doing on most distros these days
2018-05-28 05:03:38 <Vaelatern> oooh, you guys have asterisk. I should finish packaging that
2018-05-28 05:05:17 <tmh1999> running a process as non-privileged user?
2018-05-28 05:05:31 <Vaelatern> su, obviously, but I want to run them on bootup
2018-05-28 05:05:59 <Vaelatern> rc.local probably happens too early in boot, before networking is up in most distros
2018-05-28 05:06:27 <tmh1999> so run a process/service at boot as non-privilege user ? I think just put in /etc/init.d/ and start running as user/group. 1 sec.
2018-05-28 05:07:57 <tmh1999> add a service at /etc/init.d/normal-user-service, and write something like this in start() : start-stop-daemon --start --user your-user --group your-group --stdout /dev/null --stderr /dev/null --background --chdir /your/script/dir --exec yourscript.sh
2018-05-28 05:11:33 <tmh1999> something like this http://tpaste.us/EkER
2018-05-28 05:11:40 <tmh1999> Vaelatern : ^
2018-05-28 05:12:22 <tmh1999> of course rc.local would work
2018-05-28 05:12:25 <Vaelatern> The dhcp service has 'need net', is that what you mean by 'networking'?
2018-05-28 05:12:53 <tmh1999> probably the same, I can't say. Try it.
2018-05-28 05:13:09 <Vaelatern> Ok
2018-05-28 05:13:38 <tmh1999> if you add your service at 'default' runlevel ( rc-update add yourservice default) then it should be run after network is up as network is at 'boot' runlevel
2018-05-28 05:13:53 <tmh1999> boot is before default
2018-05-28 05:14:08 <tmh1999> check sshd service as an example
2018-05-28 05:15:46 <tmh1999> so probably no need need net or need networking
2018-05-28 05:22:49 <Vaelatern> Thanks! Now I'm down a $DISPLAY rabbit hole :) Let's see if I find the light...
2018-05-28 06:38:44 <clandmeter> You don't need to define your own start function. Read https://github.com/OpenRC/openrc/blob/master/service-script-guide.md
2018-05-28 08:11:21 <azarus> Hm, what backup utility do you guys use? My previous one (borgbackup) is currently broken.
2018-05-28 08:17:10 <_ikke_>  azarus broken in what sense?
2018-05-28 08:17:32 <azarus> _ikke_: Doesn't work at all. See: https://bugs.alpinelinux.org/issues/8893
2018-05-28 08:18:37 <_ikke_> to be honest, I still need to look into a proper backup solution for my personal things
2018-05-28 08:19:22 <azarus> I think borg to be good, but it's kinda big and it breaks in funny ways like this
2018-05-28 08:20:37 <azarus> And I'd kinda like if my backup solution had less dependencies, as borg has weird compiled python deps, which are fragile :/
2018-05-28 08:21:41 <_ikke_> backups solutions should be reliable, not break every other update
2018-05-28 08:21:50 <azarus> Exactly.
2018-05-28 08:22:38 <azarus> I might try switching to rsnapshot, it seems mature, and has few (okay, perl, but that's ok) dependencies
2018-05-28 08:23:30 <_ikke_> I think I have experience with that one, but that was 5/6 years ago
2018-05-28 08:23:43 <azarus> It hasn't changed much since then ;)
2018-05-28 08:24:21 <_ikke_> that one works with hardlinks, right?
2018-05-28 08:24:34 <azarus> Like other rsync based solutions, yes
2018-05-28 08:24:41 <_ikke_> heh :P
2018-05-28 08:25:15 <azarus> although I really like how borg deduplicates and compresses everything, it makes backups quite a bit smaller...
2018-05-28 08:25:23 <azarus> Especially for VM images and stuff
2018-05-28 08:31:37 <_ikke_> There is also bup (based on how git works), but I have no experience with it
2018-05-28 08:32:22 <azarus> Me neither... Might try it, but it doesn't allow for pruning old backups.
2018-05-28 08:32:32 <azarus> which kinda makes it unsuitable for me
2018-05-28 08:32:50 <azarus> (it also isn't packaged, but I could do that)
2018-05-28 08:33:59 <_ikke_> There is some support for that, but it's marked as experimental
2018-05-28 08:35:52 <azarus> ... I tend not to use features that might wreck the stuff I'm trying to keep safe
2018-05-28 08:36:12 <_ikke_> right, understood
2018-05-28 08:36:36 <azarus> (it kinda conflicts with the whole point of making backups, doesn't it?)
2018-05-28 08:39:19 <_ikke_> Yup, fully agree
2018-05-28 08:41:25 <azarus> And solutions like backuppc just seem just so overengineered and bloated to me :/
2018-05-28 08:44:28 <koollman> seems easier to fix your backup solution, maybe
2018-05-28 08:44:58 <koollman> but to answer the initial question, I've used rsnapshot, rdiff-backup and duply (which uses duplicity)
2018-05-28 08:45:01 <azarus> koollman: haven't been making backups (argh) in a long while, so this might be the oppertunity to switch
2018-05-28 08:45:20 <azarus> also, fix won't happen until a new release of borgbackup
2018-05-28 08:45:40 <koollman> https://github.com/borgbackup/borg/pull/3767/files seems easy :)
2018-05-28 08:46:21 <azarus> yup, but still, such breakage doesn't really inspire trust
2018-05-28 08:46:44 <azarus> and now twiddling my thumbs for a new release doesn't really make me all to happy either
2018-05-28 08:47:01 <azarus> s/to/too/
2018-05-28 08:47:13 <koollman> right. most of my backups are now made directly with rsync and some shell scripts
2018-05-28 08:47:55 <azarus> duplicity doesn't seem to packaged for alpine, i might do it
2018-05-28 08:51:17 <TBB> overengineering and bloat are hardly things to consider when doing backups, just as a sidenote
2018-05-28 08:51:31 <TBB> being able to restore is
2018-05-28 08:52:04 <kahiru> so far I'm pretty satisfied with borg, it hasn't eaten my data and saved my bacon a couple of times already
2018-05-28 08:52:06 <azarus> TBB: agreed. but how easy is it to restore a backup made with software that breaks when you most need it?
2018-05-28 08:52:40 <TBB> that falls into the category of being able to restore doesn't it :)
2018-05-28 08:53:35 <azarus> TBB: right. and complicated software with many deps tends to break more often than software (or scripts, whatever) with few dependencies.
2018-05-28 08:53:49 <azarus> agreed?
2018-05-28 08:55:02 <TBB> depends
2018-05-28 08:55:28 <azarus> (that's why I added "tends to break", not "definitely breaks" ;p )
2018-05-28 08:58:32 <koollman> if the backup format is 'files as they existed' or 'in a tarball', it is easier, in general
2018-05-28 08:58:58 <koollman> if it's 'very specific one-off format that no other tool can read', then it can get harder to restore when you have real troubles
2018-05-28 08:59:21 <koollman> and of course, it's not a valid backup unless you test restores from time to time :)
2018-05-28 09:00:02 <mps> for me tar is enough and always works, though combined with rsync for remotes
2018-05-28 09:00:10 <azarus> agreed. rdiff-backup looks interesting then; since it uses normal files
2018-05-28 09:26:06 <clandmeter> duplicity has worked well for me.
2018-05-28 11:32:45 <hiro> the tarsnap stuff is well thought out, too.
2018-05-28 13:34:59 <yann-kaelig> elo. Can you confirm alpine linus has no package for opennebula
2018-05-28 13:35:26 <_ikke_> https://pkgs.alpinelinux.org/packages?name=*nebula*&branch=edge
2018-05-28 13:36:00 <yann-kaelig> ok, thx
2018-05-28 14:53:18 <mercury^> Hi. I am trying to do a disk installation of Alpine. Because I added cryptsetup to the mkinitfs configuration after setup-disk finished, I wanted to run mkinitfs after chrooting into the installation mount. That fails on the pipe that contains 'lddtree'. (It seems that 'lddtree' outputs usage information instead of what it should output.)
2018-05-28 14:59:23 <mercury^> Something successfully generated an initramfs during setup-disk (I think apk somehow called mkinitfs), so perhaps I am doing something wrong?
2018-05-28 15:09:46 <mercury^> Oh, I was missing /dev in the mount.
2018-05-28 17:15:22 <neomag> hello to all
2018-05-28 17:16:07 <neomag> does any body knows whem new release date for ver3.8?
2018-05-28 17:17:56 <neomag> does avery body have a raspizero w with alpinelinux on it?
2018-05-28 17:18:04 <neomag> sorry for my english
2018-05-28 17:19:31 <neomag> I tried a few hours to configure for opencv projects
2018-05-28 17:20:16 <neomag> in my VM Alpine works great, in my rasp_pi_zero_w it have a lot of bugs
2018-05-28 17:20:40 <neomag> does any body have configured for rasp with success?
2018-05-28 17:23:45 <neomag> Im trying to use rasp for CV projects and still nothing, alpinelinux was the only linux small to be in a sdcard 2GB
2018-05-28 17:24:10 <Xe> "a lot of bugs"?
2018-05-28 17:24:21 <neomag> yes Xe
2018-05-28 17:24:46 <neomag> starts with the dev/ttyS0
2018-05-28 17:24:50 <Xe> how so?
2018-05-28 17:25:09 <neomag> at root
2018-05-28 17:25:48 <neomag> I need to add a line in config.txt to stop doing
2018-05-28 17:26:27 <neomag> and Xe I dont know to setup wifi
2018-05-28 17:26:54 <neomag> I used my network adapter to update rasp
2018-05-28 17:28:12 <neomag> does alpinelinux uses wpa config file to record SSID?
2018-05-28 17:30:21 <neomag> my question about the new version 3.8 release was because I will have the latest kernel and modules withou the need to download
2018-05-28 17:33:50 <neomag> or update my alpine again, it takes 4h only for update
2018-05-28 17:36:52 <neomag> hello ???
2018-05-28 20:43:45 <TBB> wpa configuration is pretty much the basic way to configure it. I can't really help with Raspberry Pi.
2018-05-28 22:04:59 <qrvpzvb> hmm, it looks like lvm2-extra installs /sbin/fsadm while lvm itself looks for /usr/sbin/fsadm
2018-05-28 23:14:10 <duncan^> They left
2018-05-28 23:14:14 <duncan^> already
2018-05-28 23:42:09 <qrvpzvb> who did?
2018-05-28 23:54:14 <qrvpzvb> hey _ikke_
2018-05-29 07:15:25 <avih> is it expected that 'ps' shows processes from all users? on other systems ps by default shows only processes for the current user (edge)
2018-05-29 07:16:33 <_ikke_> depends whether you have a hardened kernel or not
2018-05-29 07:17:16 <avih> well, not anymore (switched to vanilla after hardened was deprecated/removed). regardless though, man ps shows 'By default, ps shall select all processes with the same effective user ID as the current user and the same controlling terminal as the invoker.'
2018-05-29 07:18:33 <avih> my ps is synlink to busybox
2018-05-29 07:18:35 <_ikke_> right
2018-05-29 07:18:42 <_ikke_> difference between bb ps and proctools ps?
2018-05-29 07:19:08 <avih> dunno, but the man doesn't seem in sync to the actual ps
2018-05-29 07:19:30 <_ikke_> bb tools don't have a manpage iirc
2018-05-29 07:19:37 <_ikke_> just the built-in help
2018-05-29 07:19:49 <avih> technically there's a (sparse) man for all of bb commands
2018-05-29 07:19:54 <_ikke_> right
2018-05-29 07:20:22 <avih> anyway, after the move to vanilla, IMO ps doesn't behave as expected
2018-05-29 07:20:43 <avih> could be a bb config option?
2018-05-29 07:20:48 <_ikke_> what if you install proctools ps ?
2018-05-29 07:21:02 <avih> do you know the package name?
2018-05-29 07:21:31 <avih> "procps" ?
2018-05-29 07:21:32 <_ikke_> procps
2018-05-29 07:21:49 <avih> yeah, as expected
2018-05-29 07:23:05 <avih> it appears that bb ps only opts are -O <columns>
2018-05-29 07:23:16 <avih> (busybox ps --help)
2018-05-29 07:23:35 <_ikke_> yeah, bb only implements a minimal set of options
2018-05-29 07:23:46 <_ikke_> You should not expect them to behave as their full counter-parts
2018-05-29 07:24:03 <avih> for ps. it does provide different levels of compliance for different packages
2018-05-29 07:24:11 <avih> applets*
2018-05-29 07:26:03 <avih> well.. new bb adds -T for threads, but seemingly that's about it
2018-05-29 07:28:56 <AndreasLutro> hey. since today we're seeing errors like these in our builds: build/temp.linux-x86_64-3.6/_openssl.c:2472:7: error: 'X509_VERIFY_PARAM_set1_host' redeclared as different kind of symbol
2018-05-29 07:29:04 <AndreasLutro> I assume because of a libressl-libssl update
2018-05-29 07:32:16 <_ikke_> That would make a lot of sense
2018-05-29 07:37:00 <AndreasLutro> seems to be the case on both 3.6 and 3.7 - what can I do? lock the libssl package at the old version somehow?
2018-05-29 07:41:42 <AndreasLutro> nope, everything depends on the latest version of libssl
2018-05-29 07:45:42 <AndreasLutro> time to switch away from alpine then I guess
2018-05-29 07:47:32 <_ikke_> :-(
2018-05-29 07:49:11 <avih> was libressl dropped?
2018-05-29 07:49:36 <_ikke_> It was updated, causing more incompattibilties I believe
2018-05-29 07:50:01 <_ikke_> abi changes
2018-05-29 07:50:08 <avih> so "libssl" is a newer version of libressl?
2018-05-29 07:51:16 <_ikke_> Alpine has libssl1.0, and libressl
2018-05-29 07:51:26 <_ikke_> but almost all packages are built against libressl
2018-05-29 07:53:23 <AndreasLutro> where should I report a bug for this?
2018-05-29 07:53:42 <avih> so did the update require more than negligible fixes for packages?
2018-05-29 07:54:22 <_ikke_> avih: https://bugs.alpinelinux.org
2018-05-29 07:55:20 <_ikke_> AndreasLutro: ^
2018-05-29 07:56:21 <avih> so curl, strongSwan and maybe apache? doesn't seem too much, assuming it covers most of the issues
2018-05-29 07:59:49 <zNVxxliww5gP> would be nice to reproduce this libressl linker bug
2018-05-29 08:06:02 <zNVxxliww5gP> is this related? https://github.com/libressl-portable/portable/issues/381
2018-05-29 08:07:26 <zNVxxliww5gP> it seems that X509_VERIFY_PARAM_set1_host is exposed since feb 10 in libressl for backward compatibility reasosn.
2018-05-29 08:08:24 <zNVxxliww5gP> AndreasLutro: is it possible that you have multiple conflicting ssl libraries installed? is your build environment clean?
2018-05-29 08:09:32 <AndreasLutro> no. I tried installing openssl-dev next to libressl and it won't let me becaue of conflicts
2018-05-29 08:10:16 <AndreasLutro> I'm making a minimal dockerfile to reproduce it now
2018-05-29 08:13:17 <AndreasLutro> https://bpaste.net/show/e30bfa93ed71
2018-05-29 08:24:53 <zNVxxliww5gP> hmmm, the repos only have py-cryptography-2.1.4
2018-05-29 08:27:27 <AndreasLutro> I'm not interested in installing python dependencies from alpine packages anyway
2018-05-29 08:34:32 <zNVxxliww5gP> yeah. py-cryptography is a pain in the ass if you want to install it yourself
2018-05-29 08:48:58 <AndreasLutro> is it? I've pip installed it for ages and not had any problems until now
2018-05-29 09:06:13 <zNVxxliww5gP> AndreasLutro: it never worked for me, mostly because it tries to run stuff in /tmp which is noexec for me. also other stuff like pax was interfering. so i always copied the alpine package contents into the virtualenv
2018-05-29 09:07:21 <AndreasLutro>  /tmp being noexec is interesting. but you could just change the pip tmp directory to make that work
2018-05-29 09:17:17 <nsh_> hey people im getting this error when trying to build an alpine iso, initially the mkimage script looked like it was working successfully producing an iso but when I go to boot the iso it get a kernel panic and drops into a recovery shell, doing the build again with a more verbose output i see this error pop up
2018-05-29 09:17:37 <nsh_> libburn : SORRY : Failed to open device (a pseudo-drive) : Permission denied
2018-05-29 09:17:37 <nsh_> libburn : FATAL : Burn run failed
2018-05-29 09:17:38 <nsh_> xorriso : FATAL : -abort_on 'FAILURE' encountered 'FATAL' during image writing
2018-05-29 09:18:06 <nsh_> libisofs: MISHAP : Image write cancelled
2018-05-29 09:18:06 <nsh_> xorriso : FAILURE : libburn indicates failure with writing.
2018-05-29 09:18:06 <nsh_> xorriso : NOTE : -return_with SORRY 32 triggered by problem severity FATAL
2018-05-29 09:18:35 <nsh_> anyone know how to remedy this? im building it in an alpine container if that makes any difference
2018-05-29 10:25:02 <intcat> hi all, am i understanding correctly that a new stable release is planned to happen soon?
2018-05-29 10:26:13 <_ikke_> intcat: yes, they're working hard on it, but there are still some issues to solve
2018-05-29 10:26:24 <nsh_> looks like building it in a container xorriso cant mount the iso on a loopback device, but building it in the chroot directly on my machine, still produces and ico that can't boot. the boot sequence gets to "installing packages to root filesystem" which it completes 0% then fails to a recovery shell anyone know how to solve this?
2018-05-29 10:27:12 <intcat> _ikke_: alright, thanks. was considering playing around with alpine on my raspi, but i can wait a few days :)
2018-05-29 10:27:29 <_ikke_> it will probably take more than a few days
2018-05-29 10:27:36 <intcat> ah
2018-05-29 10:41:42 <TBB> yeh, in the words of Remedy Entertainment: "When it's done"
2018-05-29 10:47:35 <TBB> tip for packagers: whatever external tools you use in your pre/post scripts, using them means you -must- include those tools in the runtime dependencies of the package!
2018-05-29 10:49:31 <TBB> and the same applies to build time dependencies. hence, developing packages in an environment that has -anything- besides the barest of essentials installed is irresponsible and causes rather annoying problems at system install time
2018-05-29 10:55:20 <_ikke_> rite
2018-05-29 10:55:34 <_ikke_> though travis should give you early feedback on that
2018-05-29 10:55:47 <_ikke_> at least, for the last part, not the first issue
2018-05-29 10:56:48 <TBB> the problem with that is, if you lack a binary that's needed in package() for example and that specific command fails and there's a next command after that, the function never throws an error
2018-05-29 11:05:32 <_ikke_> doesn't abuild set -e? so it should fail in that case, right?
2018-05-29 11:06:10 <TBB> there's another problem with that wrt. how far -e reaches in shell scripts
2018-05-29 13:07:38 <avih> _ikke_: fyi, while i know others think differently, imo set -e is generally non portable, unless you know for a fact the shell and version you're using. there are various issues related to set -e which are inconsistent among shells
2018-05-29 13:08:19 <avih> same goes for -u as it's not always supported (e.g. bb hush)
2018-05-29 13:09:45 <avih> as few examples, debian posh fails with "$@" if -u is set, bb hush fails for false || echo OK with -e, and there are others
2018-05-29 13:10:37 <avih> though generally bash, bb ash and dash are ok. i'm guessing bsd sh too
2018-05-29 13:10:43 <_ikke_> avih: aren't packages built with ash though? (unless someone replace /bin/sh with something else)?
2018-05-29 13:10:55 <avih> no clue
2018-05-29 13:11:05 <kaniini> yes, with ash
2018-05-29 13:11:08 <avih> it was a general comment. i'm not familiar with alpine build systems
2018-05-29 13:11:10 <_ikke_> Right
2018-05-29 13:11:32 <avih> bb ash is generally ok
2018-05-29 13:11:36 <_ikke_> This was specific about how packages are built in alpine, and there -e is used (instead of having to append || return 1 to everything
2018-05-29 13:12:12 <avih> i recall this "modernize build" commits, yes. didn't realize it was about changing the || return 1 to set -e
2018-05-29 13:13:40 <avih> personally i'm a bit torn between using set -e and testing every command. i want -e to work well, but it's just not portable enough.
2018-05-29 13:15:03 <_ikke_> But in this case it suffices
2018-05-29 13:15:17 <TBB> it basically means you have to settle on a specific shell
2018-05-29 13:17:17 <avih> shells also change though. e.g. busybox ash and hush got a lot of changes for bb 1.29 . mostly for the better, obviously, but a change is a change
2018-05-29 13:18:28 <avih> (hush became a lot more usable, and ash got mostly parsing improvements for ${...} constructs and quoting)
2018-05-29 13:18:33 <TBB> true, I got burned by one such busybox ash change, can't remember the specifics anymore tho
2018-05-29 13:21:38 <avih> also re set -e, it can be very tricky, as it doesn't always produce an error, or sometimes later than one might expect, depending on the context where the error is
2018-05-29 13:22:04 <TBB> is this hush the one with some sort of tcl support in it?
2018-05-29 13:23:55 <avih> i don't think so. busybox hush, plain posix shell yet another implementation
2018-05-29 13:32:02 <TBB> https://www.opennet.ru/docs/FAQ/soft/hush-faq.html - this is what I came across. that would be pretty much my dream shell as I've got over 20 years of TCL under my belt :)
2018-05-29 13:32:55 <TBB> I'd probably permanently stop complaining about things I find lacking in shells if I had that one
2018-05-29 15:13:10 <kev_> hi im trying to boot an alpine standard iso on virtual box and it doesnt boot showing an error "end kernel panic, not syncing attempting to kill init" does anyone know what this is and how to fix?
2018-05-29 15:13:28 <liwakura> generic initramfs failure
2018-05-29 15:15:12 <kev_> how do I go about debugging as I dont get any recovery shell from this?
2018-05-29 15:29:04 <avih> kev_: i book alpine in vbox and have no issues. which kernel did you get? did you set the system to 32/64 bits as the ISO?
2018-05-29 15:29:18 <avih> which ISO* ?
2018-05-29 15:29:53 <kev_> I built the iso myself following the instructions from the wiki
2018-05-29 15:30:06 <kev_> its just vanillia/standard
2018-05-29 15:30:28 <avih> did you also try running a pre-built ISO ?
2018-05-29 15:33:22 <kev_> yes the prebuilt works but i am trying to build from source, im assuming the scripts in aports work
2018-05-29 16:48:07 <bstempi> Hi channel!  Has anyone had issues installing the cryptography Python package on Alpine 3.7 after yesterday's libressl updates?
2018-05-29 16:48:53 <bstempi> It seems that on a previous version of ressl, compilation worked, but we're not experiencing compiler errors.
2018-05-29 16:49:03 <bstempi> s/not/now
2018-05-29 16:59:47 <zNVxxliww5gP> AndreasLutro had also the same issue. maybe he even posted a bug to b.a.o
2018-05-29 19:26:43 <futune> does alpine have a package for spice agent?
2018-05-29 19:32:10 <_ikke_> futune: not sure what the spice agent exactly is
2018-05-29 19:32:13 <_ikke_> https://pkgs.alpinelinux.org/packages?name=spice*&branch=edge
2018-05-29 20:36:14 <steamport> hey
2018-05-29 20:36:23 <steamport> why does linux make xconfig not work on alpine
2018-05-29 20:36:32 <steamport> "/usr/lib/gcc/x86_64-alpine-linux-musl/6.4.0/../../../../x86_64-alpine-linux-musl"
2018-05-29 20:36:39 <steamport> "/bin/ld: scripts/kconfig/qconf.o: undefined reference to symbol 'libintl_textdomain'
2018-05-29 20:36:39 <steamport> "
2018-05-29 20:36:48 <steamport> "//usr/lib/libintl.so.8: error adding symbols: DSO missing from command line
2018-05-29 20:36:48 <steamport> collect2: error: ld returned 1 exit status"
2018-05-29 20:37:47 <TBB> usually errors like that indicate a system that has a mix of stable and edge packages
2018-05-29 20:38:23 <steamport> this is uh
2018-05-29 20:38:43 <steamport> Is it ok to talk about pmOS (stable alpine-based) compilation problems on here
2018-05-29 20:38:57 <steamport> gconfig is just fine
2018-05-29 20:39:01 <steamport> that only happens with xconfig
2018-05-29 20:58:06 <futune> _ikke_, spice agent is a daemon which runs on virtual machines
2018-05-29 20:59:16 <futune> if you are using a spice client on the hypervisor, having the agent on the guest lets you have mouse integration, clipboard sharing, usb-passthrough, and more
2018-05-29 20:59:38 <futune> I think all those packages in your link are for the spice client, though, not the agent
2018-05-29 21:07:45 <TBB> futune, I could be completely wrong about this, but I seem to remember spice stuff having been part of libvirt
2018-05-29 21:08:46 <futune> TBB, sorry, it's a bit complicated. The spice stuff is split in 3 parts, client, server, and agent
2018-05-29 21:08:53 <futune> the libvirt stuff would be server
2018-05-29 21:09:04 <futune> (I expect)
2018-05-29 21:09:49 <futune> I saw some talk of a package called spice-vdagent on a blog post from 2015, but I don't see that package when searching for spice now
2018-05-29 21:14:27 <TBB> I remember that package
2018-05-29 21:14:49 <TBB> that's roughly when my experiments with Alpine started
2018-05-29 21:24:03 <TBB> my hunch is it's either integrated completely into qemu or some other component and therefore deprecated
2018-05-29 21:24:32 <TBB> but I have nothing to back it up with, just that there seems to be a lack of fairly recent links about the topic
2018-05-29 21:24:35 <plantroon> is there anyone who was successful with installing alpine for desktop use with nouveau drivers?
2018-05-29 21:25:42 <futune> TBB, on other systems it requires a separate package, but I can always try to see if it "just works" here
2018-05-29 21:26:35 <TBB> plantroon: yup
2018-05-29 21:26:50 <TBB> futune: yeah, and I do remember that package was available for Alpine too at some point
2018-05-29 22:33:49 <futune> TBB, it appears to not "just work" :/
2018-05-29 22:40:53 <plantroon> TBB: I cannot get nouveau to work. Upon installing it, when starting Xorg, it just says no screens found. Are there any additional steps I need to take?
2018-05-29 22:42:15 <mps> plantroon: i tried but without success
2018-05-30 00:20:51 <rodrigods> hello everyone... yesterday, the `libressl` version was updated, so builds from the `cryptography` library will fail (https://github.com/pyca/cryptography/pull/4234) - this means that any ansible installation will fail as well. Do you suggest any workaround for this besides downgrading to Alpine 3.5 or earlier?
2018-05-30 02:43:19 <mepholic> 
ACTION facepalms

2018-05-30 02:43:38 <mepholic> hey, what do you know!? libressl broke something!
2018-05-30 02:43:51 <mepholic> rodrigods: are you on 3.6 or 3.7?
2018-05-30 05:48:41 <tavixvi> Is there any good way to automatically mount a usb device at boot?
2018-05-30 05:48:58 <tavixvi> I tried putting it in fstab, but that doesn't seem to work
2018-05-30 05:49:28 <tavixvi> presumably becausethe device isn't detected by the time it's trying to mount it
2018-05-30 06:05:03 <tavixvi> I'm considering editing /lib/mdev/usbdisk_link to run mount -a, but I'd rather not if there's a better option
2018-05-30 06:19:01 <graff> when i do a wget http://dl-cdn.alpinelinux.org/alpine/v3.7/releases/aarch64/alpine-minirootfs-3.7.0-aarch64.tar.gz
2018-05-30 06:19:14 <graff> and then try to untar it i don't get a boot/ dir
2018-05-30 06:20:44 <graff> $ tar -xf alpine-minirootfs-3.7.0-aarch64.tar.gz tar: ./dev/null: Cannot mknod: Operation not permitted tar: Exiting with failure status due to previous errors
2018-05-30 06:20:56 <graff> should I just do it as root or something?
2018-05-30 06:21:41 <graff> I'd like to boot this in qemu and use it as part of my musl and hlibc test suite / CI
2018-05-30 06:22:31 <graff> I got the x86_64 and x86 images working, and I would like to get as many alpine arches as i can
2018-05-30 06:22:37 <graff> but a bit unsure how to proceed
2018-05-30 06:27:33 <graff> also wondering if there is a channel for owl linux
2018-05-30 06:27:49 <graff> the musl based open wall distro. i'd like to try and run that and void too
2018-05-30 07:30:58 <nindustries> Hi, any estimate for PHP 7.2 in the main repos?
2018-05-30 07:33:00 <_ikke_> It's in edge right now, so the next release (3.8) of alpine should include it
2018-05-30 07:33:09 <_ikke_> Hard to tell when exactly 3.8 will be released though
2018-05-30 07:33:50 <nindustries> Hm, I see. Thanks _ikke_. So no rough estimates for 3.8?
2018-05-30 07:34:18 <_ikke_> I'm not sure what the blockers are right now, nor how long it would take to solve them
2018-05-30 09:57:36 <liwakura> uhm, i made an (until now personal) aport for adding XDG_* variables to alpine systems
2018-05-30 09:57:39 <liwakura> https://github.com/c3d2/aports/tree/master/extra/xdg-base-dirs
2018-05-30 09:58:07 <liwakura> its useful to instruct programs to place their data in designated directories instead of cluttering the home directory
2018-05-30 09:58:20 <liwakura> is this sort of thing generally merge-able into mainstream alpine?
2018-05-30 09:58:32 <liwakura> in terms of, do you want it?
2018-05-30 12:50:24 <ncopa> liwakura: possibly, but preferable after v3.8 release
2018-05-30 12:50:52 <ncopa> graff: maybe you can: tar --exclude dev/null ....
2018-05-30 12:54:17 <AGiardini[m]> ncopa: Do we have an approximate date for the 3.8 release?
2018-05-30 12:56:30 <ncopa> AGiardini[m]: a wild guess: 2 weeks
2018-05-30 12:56:54 <AGiardini[m]> Nice :) thanks :)
2018-05-30 12:57:14 <ncopa> im sorry we havent been able to deliver it yet
2018-05-30 12:57:17 <ncopa> should be out already
2018-05-30 12:57:56 <superduck> Was there a reason for lbu to use tar and not cpio and not git?
2018-05-30 13:00:44 <plantroon> please can anyone help me get nouveau to work? Upon starting X it says no screens found :( what steps do I need to take?
2018-05-30 13:11:22 <clandmeter> superduck, lbu can probably work with both cpio or tar and both are included in busybox so no extra deps.
2018-05-30 13:14:12 <clandmeter> superduck, afaik lbu was initially designed for tmpfs systems and to be able to save config state, not specific for config versioning.
2018-05-30 13:17:55 <clandmeter> adding git would add a lot of dependencies so it would be better suited to use other tools which use git instead of lbu if you need adv versioning.
2018-05-30 13:20:33 <superduck> clandmeter: deps make sense to give it the axe, however if those can be pruned, might be nice to give more capability to lbu, i.e. branches and version control if desired.
2018-05-30 13:22:29 <clandmeter> i dont think it will ever happen
2018-05-30 13:24:55 <clandmeter> superduck, why would you want to add it to lbu instead of using tools designed for this task like etckeeper?
2018-05-30 13:32:54 <superduck> clandmeter: One tool to rule them all?
2018-05-30 13:33:42 <clandmeter> ah you mean systemd
2018-05-30 13:40:42 <ScrumpyJack> o/
2018-05-30 13:41:43 <liwakura> superduck: i did cd /; git init previously
2018-05-30 13:41:47 <liwakura> and added stuff from /etc
2018-05-30 13:41:54 <liwakura> and i dont feel bad about it, tho^^
2018-05-30 13:42:15 <superduck> clandmeter: No, that's Linux
2018-05-30 13:42:32 <superduck> clandmeter: systemd is just a mistake that happens to run on linux
2018-05-30 13:46:23 <ncopa> superduck: i dont think git existed when lbu was written
2018-05-30 13:46:28 <superduck> clandmeter: lbu/mkinitfs are intimately tied together and are stuck on tar usage, so changing to cpio requires changing both tools. etckeeper is interesting in that it maintains permissions/ownership, however I think a cpio archive of touched / tracked files might suit my needs better than etckeeper. i.e. git + mkdir /tmp/.tmp ; (cd /tmp/.tmp ; touch `git ls-files`) ; git clone / /tmp/.tmp
2018-05-30 13:46:41 <superduck> ncopa: wow
2018-05-30 13:46:57 <clandmeter> :)
2018-05-30 13:48:06 <_ikke_> ncopa: was lbu from before 2005?
2018-05-30 13:49:37 <clandmeter> i think alpine is around 11-12 years old now?
2018-05-30 13:49:37 <superduck> etckeeper looks kinda like junk, doesn't integrate with your local package manager to provide diffs from previous/current package provided default configs, so its meh
2018-05-30 13:51:23 <ncopa> lbu sources moved to git in 2006 apparently. used svn before that
2018-05-30 13:52:38 <AGiardini[m]> ncopa: absolutely! the work that you are doing is amazing! :)
2018-05-30 13:55:45 <ncopa> AGiardini[m]: thanks. im glad you like it
2018-05-30 13:57:40 <d9867eb> hi people, is there any proprietaryor non-free software or in Apline Linux at all?
2018-05-30 13:58:17 <d9867eb> I have no problems with software not following FSF guidelines but I really hate proprietary software
2018-05-30 13:59:47 <ncopa> d9867eb: we have a non-free repository which we dont provide any pre-compiled packages for
2018-05-30 14:00:16 <ncopa> so users can build things like adobe-flashplayer packages themselves
2018-05-30 14:00:26 <d9867eb> ncopa: is that turned off by default?
2018-05-30 14:00:51 <TBB> it's a git repo for the build scripts so you get it by cloning the aports repository
2018-05-30 14:01:06 <ncopa> yes. our builders does not build those, so if you want that you have to build it yourself
2018-05-30 14:01:23 <d9867eb> ok thanks
2018-05-30 14:01:42 <ncopa> we may have some linux firmware that can be considered non-free too
2018-05-30 14:01:45 <ncopa> in linux-firmware package
2018-05-30 14:01:49 <d9867eb> damn
2018-05-30 14:02:21 <d9867eb> is the source code provided for them?
2018-05-30 14:02:46 <ncopa> for firmware binaires? i dont think so
2018-05-30 14:03:02 <ncopa> i gotta go. have a nice evening
2018-05-30 14:03:07 <d9867eb> ok I am not intrested in alpine
2018-05-30 14:03:10 <d9867eb> thanks anyway
2018-05-30 14:03:29 <d9867eb> ncopa: bye
2018-05-30 14:14:42 <clandmeter> https://sourceforge.net/projects/apk-tools has a nice review :)
2018-05-30 14:20:18 <_ikke_> lol
2018-05-30 14:41:11 <asyd> Hi everyone. I guess you're already aware with some issues whe installing some packages of alpine 3.6? (bad checksum)
2018-05-30 14:43:46 <_ikke_> asyd: are you using dl-cdn?
2018-05-30 14:44:06 <_ikke_> What packages do you have issues with?
2018-05-30 15:18:06 <asyd> _ikke_: libressl*
2018-05-30 15:18:16 <asyd> and yeah I"m u sing dl-cdn (it's not the default)
2018-05-30 15:18:18 <asyd> +?
2018-05-30 15:19:23 <asyd> _ikke_: https://dpaste.de/gEw2
2018-05-30 15:25:21 <_ikke_> They have just updated libressl to fix something probably because of that (dl-cdn caches files, so there might be a mistmatch between the index and the file being provided
2018-05-30 15:25:34 <_ikke_> dl-cdn is only the default on docker images, otherwise you are asked to choose one
2018-05-30 15:26:48 <asyd> ok
2018-05-30 15:28:10 <asyd> there is no way to use an env var to override the mirror used?
2018-05-30 15:39:22 <tmh1999> asyd: changing mirror won't help. the maintainers are offline, it should be fixed early tmr :)
2018-05-30 15:40:18 <tmh1999> or maybe I'm wroing, try master.alpinelinux.org or rsync.alpinelinux.org
2018-05-30 15:43:14 <asyd> ah ok
2018-05-30 15:44:04 <_ikke_> well, other mirrors other than dl-cdn don't have this issue
2018-05-30 15:44:20 <_ikke_> it's just the caching behaviour of dl-cdn (fastly) that causes this
2018-05-30 15:45:09 <_ikke_> so a simple 'RUN echo http://dl-4.alpinelinux.org/alpine/... >etc/apk/repositories' should be enough
2018-05-30 15:47:18 <asyd> well I'll wait CDN to be fixed and then I'll update my ci/cd jobs to use a custom from image
2018-05-30 16:39:50 <qrvpzvb> wait
2018-05-30 16:40:01 <qrvpzvb> I'm using zfs
2018-05-30 16:40:18 <qrvpzvb> but I'm on hardened kernel
2018-05-30 16:41:03 <qrvpzvb> at least, that's what uname says
2018-05-30 16:44:59 <_ikke_> how long should I wait? :p
2018-05-30 16:56:12 <andreaf> hello folks, this afternoon I suddenly started getting "ERROR: libressl-dev-2.5.5-r0: BAD signature" on alpine3.6 when installing postgresql-dev
2018-05-30 16:56:19 <andreaf> is this a known issue perhaps? anything gone wrong when pushing packages recently?
2018-05-30 16:56:39 <_ikke_> andreaf: yeah, they reverted a package without bumping pkgrel, which dl-cdn cannot handle (due to caching)
2018-05-30 16:57:08 <_ikke_> easiest for now is to (temporarily) use a different mirror
2018-05-30 16:57:37 <andreaf> @_ikke_ cool, thanks
2018-05-30 18:26:34 <ncopa> andreaf: should be fixed now
2018-05-30 18:27:28 <_ikke_> ncopa: \o/
2018-05-30 18:29:55 <andreaf> @ncopa @_ikke_ thanks!
2018-05-30 18:32:55 <plantroo1> can anyone help with nouveau no screens found issue? Should nouveau even work properly on Alpine?
2018-05-30 18:33:54 <plantroo1> I mean, it would be enough if you had any nVidia card working with Xorg on Alpine. That's all I need and maybe some hints on what to do other than installing X itself and the driver
2018-05-30 18:39:00 <mps> plantroo1: I tried to play with nouveau driver but without success
2018-05-30 18:40:05 <mps> my problem is that I have optimus notebook and cannot disable intel card, and try with nvidia only
2018-05-30 18:41:33 <plantroo1> mps: yea :( no success here either, I don't even know where to start debugging. The module nouveua is loaded, I can start Xorg with vesa driver but not nouveau. :(
2018-05-30 18:41:50 <ncopa> plantroo1: I dont have nvidia myself. but it may be helpful if you have some error messages?
2018-05-30 18:42:25 <ncopa> can you: apk add tpaste && tpaste < /var/log/Xorg.0.log
2018-05-30 18:43:10 <johnnyfive> is there a gpg cli equivalent to abuild-sign?
2018-05-30 18:46:43 <mps> plantroo1: in my case X detects nvidia card but for some reason which I forgot don't want to use it and switches to intel
2018-05-30 18:51:23 <plantroo1> mps: ah, I have a little different problem. No screens found message comes from Xorg log, it's the only non-standard message there. But I will grab the full log and post link here once I have access to the PC. Thanks for now. I love alpine, ncopa, great distro!
2018-05-30 19:00:18 <ncopa> thanks
2018-05-30 19:01:23 <rpsene> I've faced some issue with abuild-keygen -a -i. It does not create the keys and prints the following message:
2018-05-30 19:01:37 <rpsene> ~ $ abuild-keygen -a -i
2018-05-30 19:01:37 <rpsene> >>> Generating public/private rsa key pair for abuild
2018-05-30 19:01:38 <rpsene> Enter file in which to save the key [/home/rpsene/.abuild/-5b0eef27.rsa]:
2018-05-30 19:01:38 <rpsene> Error relocating /usr/bin/openssl: X509_VERIFY_PARAM_set1_ip_asc: symbol not found
2018-05-30 19:01:38 <rpsene> Error relocating /usr/bin/openssl: X509_VERIFY_PARAM_set1_host: symbol not found
2018-05-30 19:01:38 <rpsene> Error relocating /usr/bin/openssl: X509_VERIFY_PARAM_set1_host: symbol not found
2018-05-30 19:01:38 <rpsene> Error relocating /usr/bin/openssl: X509_VERIFY_PARAM_set1_ip_asc: symbol not found
2018-05-30 19:01:39 <rpsene> >>> Installing /home/rpsene/.abuild/-5b0eef27.rsa.pub to /etc/apk/keys...
2018-05-30 19:01:39 <rpsene> cp: can't stat '/home/rpsene/.abuild/-5b0eef27.rsa.pub': No such file or directory
2018-05-30 19:02:00 <rpsene> Is this a know issue or am i missing something?
2018-05-30 19:59:21 <ncopa> rpsene: apk upgrade -U -a
2018-05-30 19:59:24 <ncopa> should fix it
2018-05-30 20:00:06 <ncopa> we pushed some changes to libressl recently that may have broken things, but it should be ok now
2018-05-31 00:13:21 <qrvpzvb> so, it looks like mono doesn't like grsec
2018-05-31 00:16:50 <zNVxxliww5gP> i think a different way of saying this that mono requires weakened security settings
2018-05-31 00:17:09 <qrvpzvb> yeah
2018-05-31 00:17:50 <qrvpzvb> are there any know fixes?
2018-05-31 00:18:07 <qrvpzvb> the workaround is to disable mprotect
2018-05-31 00:18:32 <zNVxxliww5gP> really? executable stack? that's so 80ies
2018-05-31 00:19:16 <zNVxxliww5gP> but not surprising probably its a jit engine in there.
2018-05-31 00:21:42 <jn__> executable *stacks* are rather unnecessary for a JIT
2018-05-31 00:23:42 <qrvpzvb> is there a way to read syslog other than cat /var/log/messages ?
2018-05-31 00:24:24 <qrvpzvb> I've been using systemd for as log (heh) as I can remember
2018-05-31 01:16:41 <dodobrain> does the alpine:3.7 docker image has syslog enabled?
2018-05-31 01:16:52 <dodobrain> i dont see any file in /var/log
2018-05-31 01:40:29 <__number5__> dodobrain: you use `docker logs container_id` for logs
2018-05-31 01:45:05 <dodobrain> im not wanting to look directly at the logs myself. i have a python application that fails to start that says it cannot configure the 'syslog' handler for logging
2018-05-31 01:45:14 <dodobrain> the same program works without issue on deb/ubuntu
2018-05-31 01:45:44 <dodobrain> but i think the error is elsewhere before that exception happens. i'll ask in #py
2018-05-31 01:55:15 <black-clover> hello, anyone is having problems with firefox widgets?
2018-05-31 02:59:33 <graff> could i get some helpt trying to boot http://dl-cdn.alpinelinux.org/alpine/v3.7/releases/aarch64/alpine-uboot-3.7.0-aarch64.tar.gz
2018-05-31 02:59:36 <graff> with qemu
2018-05-31 02:59:54 <graff> the usual tty settings I am trying aren't getting me anything but a blank screen
2018-05-31 03:01:00 <graff> or wait, actually this is the one i was having problems unpacking
2018-05-31 03:01:33 <graff> I think basically this is the only really solid dsitro that supports aarch64 with musl
2018-05-31 03:01:52 <graff> and If I can't get this working I guess I will start my own musl distro
2018-05-31 03:02:06 <graff> because i have a nice recipie for aarch64 that I know works
2018-05-31 03:02:23 <graff> so, not a threat. just trying to show how dire it is that I get this one up and running for CI
2018-05-31 03:03:35 <graff> i don't know if you guys have a qemu recpie for testing this maybe? or perhaps it is used with docker in a way I don't understand?
2018-05-31 03:05:02 <graff> alright, I am a bit confused, that one doesn't actually seem to include boot/
2018-05-31 03:07:15 <graff> ok, then i have some other questions too. sorry
2018-05-31 03:07:17 <graff> http://dl-cdn.alpinelinux.org/alpine/v3.7/releases/ppc64le/alpine-vanilla-3.7.0-ppc64le.iso
2018-05-31 03:07:38 <graff> should this iso be directly bootable in qemu? like it has a bootloader and everything?
2018-05-31 03:07:59 <graff> I have not been able to get it to boot, but am going to try and track down a version of qemu that will boot it -- if so
2018-05-31 03:08:22 <graff> maybe the problem with my qemu version is that it is not supporting little endian corrctly
2018-05-31 03:09:13 <solar> you probably want qemu-ppc64le :p
2018-05-31 03:09:18 <solar> qemu-system-ppc64le rather
2018-05-31 03:09:36 <graff> yeah they don't have that on my distros package set
2018-05-31 03:09:39 <graff> damn
2018-05-31 03:09:55 <graff> I will ook around and see if I can get it. thanks solar
2018-05-31 03:10:02 <graff> btw are you able to get it to boot?
2018-05-31 06:25:13 <markweston> what's the package to get ar?
2018-05-31 06:25:57 <markweston> the archiver to make static libs?
2018-05-31 06:26:00 <graff> probably you get it with gcc
2018-05-31 06:26:45 <markweston> is there not a standalone version?
2018-05-31 06:27:37 <markweston> probably not
2018-05-31 06:28:55 <markweston> oh, it's actually binutils
2018-05-31 06:33:07 <graff> binutils is the one that actually contains ar yeah
2018-05-31 06:33:18 <graff> but usually i get a copy of ar just by installing gcc
2018-05-31 06:33:44 <graff> i do an apk add git gcc make bash and then that is everything I need for gitlab to build musl or hlibc
2018-05-31 06:34:03 <graff> (hlibc is my project)
2018-05-31 06:34:48 <graff> anyway, binutils, mpfs, mpc and gmp are all integral parts of gcc
2018-05-31 06:35:04 <graff> binutils contains ar, strings, readelf, objdump et cetera
2018-05-31 06:35:22 <graff> mpfr, mpc and gmp are the bignum libraries that gcc uses
2018-05-31 07:08:24 <mps> graff: some time ago I tried qemu on aarch64. It boots but never succeeds to mount fs
2018-05-31 07:09:09 <mps> graff: I'm talking about aarch64 host
2018-05-31 07:41:11 <AndreasLutro> hey, I see this as resolved but the new libressl-dev package still hasn't been uploaded to 3.7? https://bugs.alpinelinux.org/issues/8939
2018-05-31 08:55:29 <muhaha> Any idea, pls? https://pastebin.com/dNFDsxay I am trying to run .net app on Alpine. Thanks
2018-05-31 08:56:28 <AndreasLutro> strace isn't installed on your system, completely unrelated to .net
2018-05-31 08:57:20 <muhaha> I have strace installed... I dont know how to debug it.. :( Something is missing...  bash: ./Ombi: No such file or directory
2018-05-31 08:57:34 <solar> yaeh that's strace working fine AndreasLutro
2018-05-31 08:57:46 <solar> the binary is looking for glibc and not musl i bet
2018-05-31 08:57:57 <muhaha> jesus, musl again :(
2018-05-31 08:58:42 <solar> these are normal issues for using an alternative libc
2018-05-31 08:59:06 <muhaha> I guess that https://github.com/sgerrand/alpine-pkg-glibc will not help, right?
2018-05-31 08:59:20 <solar> it might
2018-05-31 08:59:23 <solar> or trying gcompat
2018-05-31 08:59:48 <AndreasLutro> ah I misread horribly, herp derp
2018-05-31 09:00:22 <azarus> muhaha: precompiled apps for "linux" often don't work on alpine
2018-05-31 09:00:54 <azarus> and that's because they were compiled with the assumption that glibc is there, which it isn't on alpine
2018-05-31 09:01:18 <azarus> it's not alpine's fault nor musl's fault, it's to be expected
2018-05-31 09:02:55 <muhaha> Ok. well. Thanks
2018-05-31 09:51:43 <AndyWko> slt
2018-05-31 12:25:55 <shadowdaemon> o/
2018-05-31 12:26:00 <shadowdaemon> I'm trying to get Alpine to run properly in VirtualBox under Windows.
2018-05-31 12:26:19 <jn__> how does it fail?
2018-05-31 12:26:22 <shadowdaemon> The problem I have is with the guest additions.
2018-05-31 12:26:43 <shadowdaemon> jn__: It all works, but I can't get higher video resolution.
2018-05-31 12:27:04 <azarus> what kernel, shadowdaemon
2018-05-31 12:27:19 <shadowdaemon> I've just changed to virthardened.
2018-05-31 12:27:33 <azarus> 3.7 or edge?
2018-05-31 12:28:06 <jn__> did you install virtualbox-guest-modules-virthardened?
2018-05-31 12:28:14 <jn__> that *seems* to be the package
2018-05-31 12:28:25 <shadowdaemon> azarus: Edge I think.
2018-05-31 12:28:36 <shadowdaemon> jn__: I also installed that too.
2018-05-31 12:28:50 <jn__> edge doesn't have the hardened kernel anymore
2018-05-31 12:28:59 <azarus> shadowdaemon: well -- i recommend switching to linux-virt
2018-05-31 12:29:13 <shadowdaemon> But I can't seem to remove virtualbox-additions-hardened for some reason.
2018-05-31 12:29:23 <azarus> what's the error message
2018-05-31 12:29:27 <shadowdaemon> azarus: Yeah, I was guessing that might work.
2018-05-31 12:30:31 <shadowdaemon> azarus: It just fails, I can't remove the old kernel because of virtualbox-additions-hardened, and virtualbox-additions-hardened doesn't show up with "apk info -v" either.
2018-05-31 12:31:41 <azarus> well -- try removing everything virtualbox related, install linux-virt, install the appropriate modules, reboot
2018-05-31 12:32:26 <shadowdaemon> Okay thanks, I'll give it a go.
2018-05-31 12:32:37 <azarus> also, virtualbox also needs a service running in the guest afaik
2018-05-31 12:33:04 <shadowdaemon> Yeah, the service is running, modules are loaded.
2018-05-31 12:44:48 <BugeyeD> hi all. how does one go about adding certs from private CA to local keystore?
2018-05-31 12:52:04 <shadowdaemon> BugeyeD: On Gentoo I put my private CA cert in /usr/local/share/ca-certificates and then run update-ca-certificates.
2018-05-31 12:52:39 <shadowdaemon> I think the script looks in /usr/local/share/ca-certificates by default, but I can't remember for sure.
2018-05-31 13:00:41 <BugeyeD> shadowdaemon: looking for similar function on alpine ... i'm running alpine as base in docker, but have been so far unable to find the proper way to register a private ca ... i have this solved for ubuntu and centos, hoping i don't have to write my own for alpine
2018-05-31 13:08:59 <shadowdaemon> BugeyeD: You don't have update-ca-certificates?
2018-05-31 13:09:39 <BugeyeD> shadowdaemon: i do not. if you do, on alpine, can you determine which package provides it?
2018-05-31 13:11:14 <shadowdaemon> I think it would be in ca-certificates.
2018-05-31 13:12:44 <BugeyeD> shadowdaemon: yep, just found that. i suppose i *assumed* that was installed alongside the ssl_client but alas, it was not ...
2018-05-31 13:12:57 <shadowdaemon> Heh, yeah odd.
2018-05-31 13:13:29 <BugeyeD> thanks for taking the time
2018-05-31 13:13:43 <shadowdaemon> No worries.
2018-05-31 13:35:00 <mps> anyone can tell why the javac in openjdk7 (and openjdk8) is not in the /usr/bin but in the usr/lib/jvm/java-1.7-openjdk/bin/
2018-05-31 13:35:15 <asyd> because you can have multiple java?
2018-05-31 13:36:03 <mps> but in both version 'java'  is in the /usr/bin
2018-05-31 13:38:34 <mps> asyd: I thought like you, that the have multiple version of java is the reason for such decision but after some thinking I concluded that the adding version to command would be better, i.e. javac7 javac8 etc…
2018-05-31 13:41:48 <asyd> and what about all build process that expect javac ? :)
2018-05-31 13:43:58 <mps> right question. I just wrote what it looks better solution to me, but the best is ti have just one version installed
2018-05-31 13:44:08 <mps> and the is everything ok
2018-05-31 13:44:45 <asyd> ln ?
2018-05-31 13:45:06 <mps> we don't have multiple gcc and other compilers/interpreters
2018-05-31 13:45:23 <mps> ln is bad idea
2018-05-31 13:45:33 <mps> shell alias is better
2018-05-31 18:39:06 <black-clover> hello
2018-05-31 19:03:17 <sy> Hello
2018-05-31 19:03:44 <_ikke_> hello
2018-05-31 19:04:14 <black-clover> sy: hi guys, do you know the situation with firefox widgets is?
2018-05-31 19:04:56 <sy> Going to go for a FDE via chroot with remote unlock with that dropbear initramfs module
2018-05-31 19:04:59 <sy> wish me luck
2018-05-31 19:05:45 <black-clover> sy: dont know what that is but good like to you
2018-05-31 19:06:33 <sy> well thanks
2018-05-31 19:07:01 <sy> at this point i have about 5 guides open i'm actively following and i can honestly say: neither do i
2018-05-31 19:09:07 <black-clover> sy: I'm new to alpine, just installed it last week cause i was curious about it. it's a truly original and promising distro but definitely make for people who like to read and learn, which is fine. i have pages of notes from the install alone, so i hear you.
2018-05-31 19:09:35 <sy> black-clover: heh. I was like that when I first tried arch
2018-05-31 19:09:54 <sy> I actually thought alpine was a bit more intermediate, but the install is ridiculously simple in comparison
2018-05-31 19:10:01 <sy> so i jumped into the deep end a bit there
2018-05-31 19:10:37 <sy> but you're headed in the right direction, alpine is one of the last real oses out there, without the infringingment of systemd
2018-05-31 19:13:47 <black-clover> sy: I like quite a few things about alpine, the minimalism, the fragmentation of packages, the musl-busybox approach. its all refreshing. my problem is trying to use it as a desktop when perhaps its not meant to be one, or at least not particularly, so a few apps which are basic for me arent there or not there yet
2018-05-31 19:16:55 <sy> i tried alpine on the desktop recently and it's actually not that bad
2018-05-31 19:17:01 <sy> it's more server oriented IMHO
2018-05-31 19:17:13 <sy> (i use it on all my servers minus the one that runs OpenBSD)
2018-05-31 19:19:13 <sy> well this is embarrasing I just set up my system on my swap partition
2018-05-31 19:20:41 <black-clover> thats a new one, but having a HD split out myself i understand you.  few days nights ago i installed arch over another distro by mistake too.
2018-05-31 19:20:58 <sy> ah wait no i didn't
2018-05-31 19:21:08 <sy> it was the boot partition
2018-05-31 19:22:45 <quaddle> is there an alpine linux mono package for armhf?
2018-05-31 19:23:00 <black-clover> sy:as for alpine, my only problem is firefox-esr having strange widgets, no address bars show up, i guess its a library problem. and there arent any other reliable browsers in the repo. also i miss wxpython. for the rest the few apps i use are there and works just fine
2018-05-31 19:23:12 <_ikke_> apparently not, only for x86* arches
2018-05-31 19:23:54 <jn__> black-clover: writing APKBUILD files is quite easy :)
2018-05-31 19:24:23 <_ikke_> right, but getting projects to build properly not always :-)
2018-05-31 19:24:24 <jn__> (not trying to imply that you *should* do that, but if you want to, just try it)
2018-05-31 19:24:43 <jn__> _ikke_: right
2018-05-31 19:25:22 <black-clover> i have tried to adapt some apkbuild for wxpython and also pid but it seems something is not ther or maybe i made it worng
2018-05-31 19:25:46 <quaddle> i tried cross compiling it but i dont know what im doing
2018-05-31 19:26:02 <quaddle> is there someone that can compile it for me?
2018-05-31 19:27:20 <black-clover> jn__: do you know if a firefox fix is in the cards?
2018-05-31 19:27:44 <jn__> black-clover: i don't
2018-05-31 19:28:39 <_ikke_> quaddle: The reason those packages aren't there is most likely that there is some kind of issue building it for that arch
2018-05-31 19:29:32 <black-clover> jn__: is there any other full featured browser for x86? I installed conkeror but since it uses firefox engine it shows the same problems
2018-05-31 19:30:35 <quaddle> 'most likely', is there a change that it is possible?
2018-05-31 19:30:51 <_ikke_> there is a non-zero chance it's possible, yes
2018-05-31 19:32:18 <plantroon> hello, could you please  help me figure out why nouveau does not work? Here is xorg log: http://tpaste.us/Yv6P
2018-05-31 19:33:19 <_ikke_> quaddle: https://git.alpinelinux.org/cgit/aports/commit/?h=c3ae7a69b00d06d85b438fe59ea33379ec38140e
2018-05-31 19:34:12 <sy> setup-disk -m sys / << can this work?
2018-05-31 19:34:21 <sy> or do I need to do it from outside?
2018-05-31 19:36:38 <quaddle> @_ikke_ so that was 2 years ago, still no fix?
2018-05-31 19:38:09 <sy> black-clover: icefox?
2018-05-31 19:38:16 <sy> or seamonkey
2018-05-31 19:38:34 <_ikke_> I guess no one bothered enough for it. Note that it's still in testing, so apparently no one is actively using it apparently
2018-05-31 19:39:28 <mps> black-clover: firefox-esr and firefox works for me without any problem
2018-05-31 19:39:39 <mps> on three machines
2018-05-31 19:39:51 <black-clover> sy__: i havent found them in the repo, LOL. but i'll certainly try them as soon as i boot into alpine tonight.
2018-05-31 19:40:27 <black-clover> mps: on x86? i think firefox is 64 bits only
2018-05-31 19:40:42 <mps> also, tried chromium and it worked but I removed it because I don't like it
2018-05-31 19:41:00 <quaddle> I want to use it, dont care to much about updates.
2018-05-31 19:41:27 <_ikke_> quaddle: understood, but it's apparently not trivial to do so
2018-05-31 19:41:33 <mps> it worked on x86, but I removed X from it completely and made small server on it
2018-05-31 19:42:09 <mps> that was previous year, and I'm not sure how it works todays
2018-05-31 19:42:55 <black-clover> mps: i'm looking at the package page now and chromium is 64 bits only. I tried to adapt the apkbuild for firefox 60 to x86 but didnt work
2018-05-31 19:43:57 <mps> cannot tell what is the state now, but it worked for me, and on armhf too
2018-05-31 19:44:17 <mps> firefox-esr I mean
2018-05-31 19:45:22 <quaddle> Would be nice if someone could try it again for me
2018-05-31 19:45:29 <black-clover> mps: right now on x86 firefox-esr shows no bars and fonts are weirds, I trieds to install all fonts for it but no change
2018-05-31 19:45:44 <_ikke_> quaddle: I would not have a way to myself
2018-05-31 19:45:57 <black-clover> sy:seamonkey seems to be 64 bit only
2018-05-31 19:46:09 <mps> black-clover: I have seen that once but under qemu and x86_64 VM
2018-05-31 19:46:53 <mps> I don't have x86 with X so couldn't check
2018-05-31 19:47:11 <quaddle> i have tried abuild -r its sees to do something, but i dont know how to get the package after that
2018-05-31 19:48:28 <mps> maybe I will try to install X on x86 to see if it works
2018-05-31 19:48:42 <mps> give me few hours
2018-05-31 19:50:04 <black-clover> mps: x and everything worked like a charm on my x86 box, only firefox-esr is weird. sure i'd love to know if the issue is mine and can be fixed somehow or is general
2018-05-31 19:50:13 <mps> black-clover: oh, sorry, I cannot because I removed HD for something else. sorry again
2018-05-31 19:50:39 <sy> in http://wiki.alpinelinux.org/wiki/Setting_up_disks_manually#Encryption, what means "# also check the root= setting" ?
2018-05-31 19:50:49 <black-clover> mps: ok, no problem
2018-05-31 19:54:15 <black-clover> is there anyone who is running firefox-esr on x86 presently?
2018-05-31 19:57:45 <sy> does this look about right ?default_kernel_opts=quiet dropbear=2222 cryptdm=crypt cryptroot=/dev/sda2 ip=xx.xx.180.166::xx.xx.180.1:255.255.255.0::eth0
2018-05-31 19:57:59 <zNVxxliww5gP> black-clover: i do.
2018-05-31 19:58:42 <zNVxxliww5gP> oh, x86? no, i do x86_64. sorry
2018-05-31 20:00:02 <black-clover> zNVxxliww5gP: ok, the problem might be mine or the x86 pkg
2018-05-31 20:02:44 <qman__> Firefox had issues the last time I tried to use it, but that was a long time ago, on alpine 3.2
2018-05-31 20:05:07 <black-clover> qman__:what kind of issues? mine works fine, except no address bars, weird fonts and no widgets
2018-05-31 20:06:07 <qman__> Similar, context menus were weird and had no text, some things just didn't show up, etc
2018-05-31 20:06:41 <black-clover> qman__: could you fix it at the time?
2018-05-31 20:06:52 <qman__> No
2018-05-31 20:07:51 <black-clover> qman__:LOL, it seems strange that such an issue lasted from 3.2 to the present 3.7
2018-05-31 20:21:05 <sy> extlinux: no previous syslinux boot sector found -- should this happen?
2018-05-31 20:29:45 <zNVxxliww5gP> you need to add the necessary fonts i guess.
2018-05-31 20:46:25 <black-clover> zNVxxliww5gP: i added the faenza firefox fonts and all i could find. I installed conkeror, which uses firefox engine, and it also shows some weird widgets and address bars
2018-05-31 20:48:17 <sy> well crap it didnt work
2018-05-31 20:48:49 <sy> and to think i wanted to do lvm and raid as well
2018-05-31 20:54:26 <black-clover> sy: where are you trying to install alpine?
2018-05-31 21:02:58 <zNVxxliww5gP> nah, you need some more regular fonts, the ones that are usually installed by default on other linuxen
2018-05-31 21:04:15 <mercury^> Hi. Is there some way to enable access to /sys/kernel/debug on a hardened kernel?
2018-05-31 21:05:42 <black-clover> zNVxxliww5gP: I think I got all those and gtk libs to, other broswers like midori or netsurf look fine
2018-05-31 21:14:46 <zNVxxliww5gP> do you have msttcorefonts?
2018-05-31 23:35:18 <Slaiyer> Does anyone have v3.7.0 running on a raspberry pi 3b and 3b+?
2018-05-31 23:36:44 <Slaiyer> I can successfully run `setup-alpine`, but it doesn't boot up after i reboot.