2014-12-01 01:29:03 I am trying to get a hard drive to spin down when the box is idle, especially during night. I have installed htparm and I can manually spin it down. I have also set the parameters for spin down enabled and set it for five minutes, but just as soon as it spins down, it spins right up again, about 5 seconds after spin down. 2014-12-01 01:29:14 Can this be due to some login on alpine? 2014-12-01 01:29:23 login->logging 2014-12-01 01:29:43 The disk is running with ext4 if that matters. 2014-12-01 01:32:03 Or do I perhaps need some kind of laptop mode, if that's even possible? 2014-12-01 03:17:47 has anyone had success with wifi on alpine 2014-12-01 03:18:06 I have tried 3 different wireless devices and none are working for me 2014-12-01 03:18:38 Alfa Network N Black - Atheros AR9271 2014-12-01 03:19:32 Kootek RPi - Ralink 8188CU 2014-12-01 03:19:49 and w/e is on my ThinkPad T510 motherboard 2014-12-01 03:24:08 sample dmesg output when I run 'ip link set wlan2 up' 2014-12-01 03:24:09 https://gist.github.com/anonymous/c34f82bdb7044a0d871c 2014-12-01 04:48:58 works fine for me with wpa_supplicant 2014-12-01 05:08:55 dalias, well the issue is I can't even set the wireless device 2014-12-01 05:09:05 dalias, in a UP state instead of a DOWN state 2014-12-01 05:09:19 before even doing any connection to a WiFi network 2014-12-01 05:16:55 are you sure "up" works before associated with an access point? 2014-12-01 05:17:23 well every guide I have found 2014-12-01 05:17:36 dalias, that is the required state before getting WPA supplicant to work 2014-12-01 05:18:04 dalias, I have also tried wpa supplicant assuming it works without having having state to UP 2014-12-01 05:18:08 and no dice 2014-12-01 05:18:51 do you have the linux-firmware package installed? 2014-12-01 05:19:11 could be a missing binary-blob issue 2014-12-01 05:24:44 dalias, I am pretty sure let me double check 2014-12-01 05:25:53 dalias, yup already installed 2014-12-01 05:26:00 not sure then 2014-12-01 05:26:03 it works for me... 2014-12-01 05:29:29 dalias, are you on the alpine-dev mailing list? 2014-12-01 05:34:07 no 2014-12-01 05:38:07 dalias, m'kay well I was planning on sending an in-depth (as I can) post to get some feedback of what I may be doing wrong or what I need to tweak 2014-12-01 05:38:31 would you be willing to take a look if I just DM you the post but as a pastebin/gist w/e? 2014-12-01 07:21:44 morning 2014-12-01 07:21:57 dalias: how big screen you ahve for android? 2014-12-01 07:22:54 i have an andoir dtablet here and new site looks okish if use "wide" view 2014-12-01 07:31:12 but yes, we need fix it to look better for small android screens 2014-12-01 08:32:31 morning 2014-12-01 08:36:26 ScrumpyJack, ncopa 2014-12-01 08:37:27 hey was wondering if you could give me some guidance on getting wireless to work with my laptop 2014-12-01 08:37:27 running Alpine 3.1 at the moment 2014-12-01 08:40:16 so you can see your wifi device, but you can't up it? 2014-12-01 08:41:04 morning systmkor 2014-12-01 08:41:10 i have wifi working on my lappy 2014-12-01 08:42:41 systmkor: does it work with other distros? 2014-12-01 08:42:50 http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-1949810.html 2014-12-01 08:42:59 looks like others have had issues too 2014-12-01 08:44:23 i had one laptop with broadcom wifi which required me to cut out the firmware from a closed source driver with fw-cutter 2014-12-01 08:44:23 ncopa, yah I have been using this laptop for 4 years, and has wifi has worked with Arch, Ubuntu, Linux Mint 2014-12-01 08:44:28 ok 2014-12-01 08:44:37 do you know if it requires some firwmare? 2014-12-01 08:44:49 not off the top of my head 2014-12-01 08:44:49 what does dmesg say around the hardware detection? 2014-12-01 08:45:04 ncopa, one sec let me unplug and replug 2014-12-01 08:47:03 is it WEP/WPA/WPA2 or open wifi access point? 2014-12-01 08:48:51 this look similar: http://forum.tinycorelinux.net/index.php?topic=16315.5;wap2 2014-12-01 08:49:05 https://gist.github.com/anonymous/61beb5bf5172039780a1 2014-12-01 08:49:28 ncopa, I can't get to the state of the wireless card to UP 2014-12-01 08:53:20 how do you start wpa_supplicant? 2014-12-01 08:54:38 ncopa, basic reference I have been using http://www.blackmoreops.com/2014/09/18/connect-to-wifi-network-from-command-line-in-linux/ 2014-12-01 08:56:27 like this? wpa_supplicant -B -D wext -i wlan0 -c /etc/wpa_supplicant.conf 2014-12-01 08:56:49 ncopa, that said after running ip link set wlan0 up the blue light on the Alfa N card turns on 2014-12-01 08:57:13 ncopa, last time I ran it yes that is how I was calling wpa_supplicant 2014-12-01 08:57:59 ieee80211 phy2: Atheros AR9271 Rev:1 2014-12-01 08:58:13 i wonder if it should be -D nl80211 2014-12-01 09:00:31 i am also in doubt if the wifi card should report successfully "UP" til you are associated with an AP 2014-12-01 09:01:13 i would kinda expect that you need be associated with an AP before it reports LINK UP 2014-12-01 09:02:39 I don't know but just glancing on the output 2014-12-01 09:02:49 state UP mode DORMAT 2014-12-01 09:02:51 makes sense 2014-12-01 09:02:58 let me see what I can do one sec 2014-12-01 09:23:50 ncopa, work with WPA2-Enterprise i think PEAP before? 2014-12-01 09:27:50 no i havent 2014-12-01 09:28:01 I think I found a relevant link 2014-12-01 09:28:22 filling out configuration will post debug statements as soon as everything is inputed 2014-12-01 09:38:36 well I don't have a simple WPA2 network to connect to at the moment 2014-12-01 09:40:31 <^7heo> moin moin 2014-12-01 09:40:34 <^7heo> sup here? 2014-12-01 09:41:05 hi ^7heo 2014-12-01 09:41:23 <^7heo> hey ncopa 2014-12-01 09:41:27 <^7heo> I'm now unemployed 2014-12-01 09:41:35 <^7heo> I might start to work on my own stuff :P 2014-12-01 09:41:39 <^7heo> and/or alpine 2014-12-01 09:44:08 Or watch pr0n all day 2014-12-01 09:47:28 ncopa, thanks for your help thus far, will need to do a bit more research 2014-12-01 09:48:11 <^7heo> anyway, I could try to reproduce the bug where the install disk hangs after having reached "Loading kernel modules" or whatever it says. 2014-12-01 09:48:11 ncopa, for stickers probably the new hex logo 2014-12-01 09:48:20 <^7heo> yeah, ofc the hex logo. 2014-12-01 09:48:29 <^7heo> I'm not going to get anything if it's not that one ;) 2014-12-01 09:48:35 woah 2014-12-01 09:48:40 laying down there opinions there 2014-12-01 09:48:46 <^7heo> and I'm not such a fan of the font, but the logo rocks. 2014-12-01 09:48:57 <^7heo> systmkor: whatcha mean? 2014-12-01 09:49:06 hard and girthy 2014-12-01 09:49:19 just poking fun 2014-12-01 09:49:41 ^7heo, i am so-so on the logo 2014-12-01 09:49:56 i do think the font is interesting 2014-12-01 09:50:20 <^7heo> systmkor: I never said it wasn't 2014-12-01 09:50:24 <^7heo> I said I am not a fan. 2014-12-01 09:50:56 ahhh 2014-12-01 09:51:08 <^7heo> yeah, please read before reacting. 2014-12-01 09:51:20 sorry just saw the double not above and didn't bother to read that carefully about the font 2014-12-01 09:51:42 ACTION sticks out tong at ^7heo  2014-12-01 09:51:43 :P 2014-12-01 09:51:45 <^7heo> I mean, you basically reacted like if I was violently bashing the old logo, or the font of the new one; but no such thing happened. 2014-12-01 09:51:52 oh no 2014-12-01 09:51:54 just having fun 2014-12-01 09:51:58 <^7heo> ah okay. 2014-12-01 09:52:01 its almost 2 in the morning 2014-12-01 09:52:09 and getting tired and I have a 30 min walk home 2014-12-01 09:52:23 <^7heo> Well, I'm not in the mood of having troll-fun-chats when I'm being trolled/trolling for real at the same time. 2014-12-01 09:52:41 <^7heo> systmkor: what's the temperature outside/ 2014-12-01 09:52:42 oh, oh shit. what's happening? 2014-12-01 09:52:42 <^7heo> ? 2014-12-01 09:52:57 ^7heo, I live in California so pretty good 2014-12-01 09:52:58 one sec 2014-12-01 09:53:49 ^7heo, 10 degrees Celsius 2014-12-01 09:54:58 ^7heo, your outside temperature ? 2014-12-01 09:55:45 well i'll check my logs tomorrow morning 2014-12-01 09:55:56 g'night guys/galls 2014-12-01 09:55:58 ciao 2014-12-01 09:56:16 10°C also here, was 13 yesterday :/ 2014-12-01 09:57:35 <^7heo> systmkor: currently -1 2014-12-01 09:57:41 <^7heo> but feels like -7 2014-12-01 09:57:42 <^7heo> 'cause wind. 2014-12-01 09:57:50 <^7heo> o/ systmkor 2014-12-01 09:58:07 <^7heo> oh sorry it's -3 not -1 2014-12-01 09:58:16 Don't go out! 2014-12-01 09:58:41 <^7heo> and some info says it feels like -12 2014-12-01 09:58:56 <^7heo> I dunno, this morning it felt like -7 at maximum 2014-12-01 09:59:03 <^7heo> so maybe -12 2014-12-01 09:59:32 <^7heo> (my hands got REALLY cold, in spite of leaving them in my pockets at all times) 2014-12-01 10:10:18 Maybe you should make sushis 2014-12-01 10:46:27 Heh. It's been -10°C in Moscow for the last few days 2014-12-01 10:46:45 Gets too hot in gloves, and my fingerless ones are busted :( 2014-12-01 10:53:34 <^7heo> openfbtd: here nobody thinks it can ever get too hot. 2014-12-01 10:53:39 Get some tape and, like boxers do 2014-12-01 10:53:42 <^7heo> the ubahn is warmed up to 30 degrees =/ 2014-12-01 10:53:46 <^7heo> freaking insane. 2014-12-01 10:53:51 <^7heo> and then you ask yourself why you're sick... 2014-12-01 10:55:11 I went a fex times in Praha during summer, quite insanly hot 2014-12-01 10:55:13 few 2014-12-01 15:23:25 ncopa, i can send you a screenshot of the site on android if you need it 2014-12-01 15:23:50 ncopa, half the logo/name image is missing and the menu items are all over the place 2014-12-01 15:24:21 ncopa, i have high-res screen 5" but always run portrait. 2014-12-01 15:26:11 dalias: what browser? google "internet" or chrome? 2014-12-01 15:31:58 default android browser 2014-12-01 15:50:50 http://www.browserstack.com/screenshots/08ddf020423ec894ec92375f9afb852998f11e38/android_Google-Nexus-5_5.0_portrait.png 2014-12-01 15:50:53 http://www.browserstack.com/screenshots/08ddf020423ec894ec92375f9afb852998f11e38/ios_iPhone-6-Plus_8.0_portrait.jpg 2014-12-01 15:52:53 for me only half of the alpine logo image is visible 2014-12-01 15:58:10 http://imgur.com/LBlXfW5 2014-12-01 15:58:48 i should fix that 2014-12-01 15:59:31 yeah 2014-12-01 15:59:43 i was going to rt it but when i saw that i figured maybe i should wait :) 2014-12-01 16:07:49 dalias, I think new website is still not ok on 240px screen 2014-12-01 16:07:59 but on 320 or above it should be ok 2014-12-01 16:10:04 though there are minor layout issues in 320px 2014-12-01 16:12:47 umm this is not 240px 2014-12-01 16:12:59 ? 2014-12-01 16:13:17 this is 1080 2014-12-01 16:13:32 android version ? 2014-12-01 16:13:52 1080x1920 2014-12-01 16:14:44 os version, or browser version ? 2014-12-01 16:15:50 4.2.2 2014-12-01 16:16:12 android 4.2.2 2014-12-01 16:16:54 and mobile size 3.5'', 4'' , 4''+ ? 2014-12-01 16:17:04 screen size ? 2014-12-01 16:17:05 5" 2014-12-01 16:17:57 5'' with 1080x1920, niiiceee, hmmm... can I ask the mobile model 2014-12-01 16:18:47 oppo find5 2014-12-01 16:18:53 you could take a screen shot of it by another mobile phoe 2014-12-01 16:19:37 1201.1658 < dalias> http://imgur.com/LBlXfW5 2014-12-01 16:20:08 the imgur link above is it 2014-12-01 16:23:21 try refreshing once, and this is not a horizontal shot 2014-12-01 16:28:45 I think some of fixables here http://jigsaw.w3.org/css-validator/validator?uri=http%3A%2F%2Falpinelinux.org%2Fstyles.css&profile=css3&usermedium=all&warning=1&vextwarning=&lang=en 2014-12-01 16:28:50 should be done first 2014-12-01 16:28:57 32 errors 2014-12-01 16:34:49 nsz, the browerstack ^^ portrait img seems quiet expexted 2014-12-01 16:34:56 expected 2014-12-01 16:35:33 but not the " only half of the alpine logo" 2014-12-01 17:11:00 still same 2014-12-01 17:43:06 yours is Find 5 with Snapdragon S4 Pro + original android 2014-12-01 17:43:17 and not CyanogenMod 2014-12-01 17:47:41 cm 2014-12-01 17:49:11 cm version pls ? would have look later what they packing 2014-12-01 18:05:55 i'll check in a bit 2014-12-01 18:52:05 register 123123123qwerqwerqwer 2014-12-01 18:52:33 Hi. 2014-12-01 18:52:52 Am I correct in saying a Logical Volume is a virtual block device? 2014-12-01 19:08:36 alpine-xen-user: no, a logical volume can be used as a virtual block device, but it's not a virtual block device itself 2014-12-01 19:09:01 Thanks 2014-12-01 19:11:27 So creating a file system on a logical volume makes the logical volume a virtual block device from the file system's 'point of view'? 2014-12-01 20:43:23 I have a strange problem 2014-12-01 20:43:48 when I connect my USB flash drives to a USB port, nothing happens to /var/log/messages 2014-12-01 20:44:33 It's as if logging for usb devices has been disabled i feel 2014-12-01 20:44:49 my USB dongle works fine though 2014-12-01 20:44:51 any ideas? 2014-12-01 20:46:57 on a previous version i could figure out from the output in /var/log/messages what device entry the USB stick gets picked up as 2014-12-01 20:47:01 but now i can't 2014-12-01 20:47:14 but running blkid shows the device entry 2014-12-01 20:51:34 perhaps syslog config is suppressing these messages or sending them somewhere else? 2014-12-01 20:51:37 i dunno 2014-12-01 20:56:23 cat /etc/conf.d/syslog 2014-12-01 20:56:23 says 2014-12-01 20:56:23 SYSLOGD_OPTS="" 2014-12-01 20:56:27 which is the default 2014-12-01 20:56:44 maybe i clicked something in acf that did this 2014-12-01 20:57:12 ? 2014-12-01 21:11:38 acf wouldn't change that 2014-12-01 21:12:00 anything show up in dmesg? 2014-12-01 21:19:24 yes 2014-12-01 21:19:30 when I unplug the usb disk 2014-12-01 21:19:32 dmesg shows 2014-12-01 21:19:35 [ 2919.709735] usb 1-3: USB disconnect, device number 17 2014-12-01 21:19:45 plugging it back in and running dmesg again shows 2014-12-01 21:19:56 [ 2938.254243] usb-storage 1-4:1.0: USB Mass Storage device detected 2014-12-01 21:20:07 and a whole bunch of more usb related log entries 2014-12-01 21:20:20 i just like to have this info in /var/log/messages too 2014-12-01 21:20:29 and can't understand why it's not there anymore :/ 2014-12-01 21:21:05 pppd logs fine to /var/log/messages when doing 2014-12-01 21:21:16 service networking restart 2014-12-01 21:23:45 and 2014-12-01 21:23:45 mount /dev/sdd -t vfat /mnt/usb 2014-12-01 21:23:50 works just fine 2014-12-01 21:28:27 and 2014-12-01 21:28:28 mkfs.ext3 /dev/sdd 2014-12-01 21:28:29 also works 2014-12-01 21:28:43 guess i will have to just run blkid or dmesg in stead 2014-12-01 21:29:28 ciou 2014-12-02 15:49:15 our first hundred followers on twitter 2014-12-02 15:49:24 :) 2014-12-02 16:03:22 alacerda: \o/ 2014-12-02 16:03:37 :) 2014-12-03 09:03:00 <^7heo> moin @ 2014-12-03 12:36:00 ohai 2014-12-03 12:49:01 ^7heo, how's that idea of writing your own cgi wrapper? 2014-12-03 12:49:19 <^7heo> not moving much 2014-12-03 12:49:24 <^7heo> I still have to finish my bedframe... 2014-12-03 12:51:17 <^7heo> but I created an emtpy github project ;) 2014-12-03 12:51:39 :D 2014-12-03 12:52:06 link? 2014-12-03 12:52:10 I will watch it 2014-12-03 12:52:11 Is it possible to crosscompile alpine to other archs? 2014-12-03 12:52:50 <^7heo> openfbtd: https://github.com/7heo/CGId 2014-12-03 12:53:29 Wizard, I bootstrapped ARM by cross-compiling 2014-12-03 12:53:45 I was thinking abou bootstrapping PPC. 2014-12-03 12:53:45 but the cross-compile support is really limited to the minimal set of packages needed to create native builder 2014-12-03 12:54:09 the scripts i used are at http://dev.alpinelinux.org/~tteras/bootstrap/ 2014-12-03 12:54:15 though they might be a little bit outdated 2014-12-03 13:01:12 Sounds like fun :) 2014-12-03 14:11:41 dalias: i just pushed the reponsive design css change 2014-12-03 14:11:54 could you please check if works around the logo issue? 2014-12-03 14:17:21 ok 2014-12-03 14:18:10 same thing is still happening 2014-12-03 14:18:17 half of logo is cut off or covered up 2014-12-03 15:31:45 ok 2014-12-03 15:32:04 it is implemented as a webfont 2014-12-03 15:32:16 so the logo is a "character" 2014-12-03 15:32:35 i'll try split it into 2 "chars" 2014-12-03 15:32:42 <^7heo> yeah, it's much more reliable than using svg 2014-12-03 15:32:52 <^7heo> and it's the same idea otherwise 2014-12-03 15:34:56 i wonder why only half would be visible tho 2014-12-03 15:35:04 could it be a problem with the font metrics/metadata? 2014-12-04 10:33:14 Greetings all! 2014-12-04 10:33:30 hello 2014-12-04 10:57:07 hi 2014-12-04 10:57:20 i have tried make the site look better on smaller screens 2014-12-04 10:58:38 no tablet at work :) 2014-12-04 10:59:45 i think it is okish on my 320px wide phone 2014-12-04 11:01:19 still ugly when width is 240px 2014-12-04 11:01:32 not sure if i bother fix that though 2014-12-04 11:02:09 just wondering why the top bar resizes (the 3 divs), intead of being fix 2014-12-04 11:02:39 why it floats? 2014-12-04 11:02:46 yes 2014-12-04 11:03:03 so you dont need to horiz scroll when on smaller screens 2014-12-04 11:03:23 no i get that 2014-12-04 11:03:53 ScrumpyJack: do you have better suggestions? 2014-12-04 11:04:01 scoll bar :) 2014-12-04 11:05:30 do a threashold where the floating stops 2014-12-04 11:06:00 (minimum width) 2014-12-04 11:07:13 min-width in the CSS ? 2014-12-04 11:10:19 and below the minimum width, you'd get a horizontal scroll bar. I don't mind scrolling left and right on a webpage with a touch screen 2014-12-04 11:12:21 there might be other situations where horiz. scrolling is horrible/tricky - can you think of any? 2014-12-04 12:57:16 ncopa: a small readme about mksite make deps would be usefull. didnt expect it needed that many. 2014-12-04 13:12:49 clandmeter: ok 2014-12-04 13:13:29 and i should move it to shared git repos 2014-12-04 13:13:50 maybe rename it to alpine-mksite while at it 2014-12-04 13:23:44 moved to: http://git.alpinelinux.org/cgit/alpine-mksite/ 2014-12-04 13:24:33 ncopa, cool! better :) 2014-12-04 13:35:05 clandmeter: this is the list? apk add make lua lua-feedparser lua-discount lua-yaml lua-lustache 2014-12-04 13:48:25 drats 2014-12-04 13:48:34 seems like i have messed up the alpine-mksite repo 2014-12-04 14:00:00 ok fixed now 2014-12-04 14:12:16 ncopa: yes i found out the hard way :) 2014-12-04 21:42:43 are there some optional icon/button/etc. image packages i should install on alpine? 2014-12-04 21:42:55 lots of gui apps have blank buttons/icons here and there 2014-12-04 22:18:04 dalias, what applications? 2014-12-04 22:18:26 dalias, I can't seem to get git-send-email working on Alpine, I had it working on Arch prior 2014-12-04 22:18:35 just noticed abiword has no toolbar button images 2014-12-04 22:18:40 but this is far from the first 2014-12-04 22:18:40 huh weird 2014-12-04 22:18:46 Thunar is missign icons for most everything 2014-12-04 22:19:24 dalias, to me it looks like I have abiword toolbar buttons 2014-12-04 22:20:41 dalias, going to take a screen shot one second 2014-12-04 22:27:19 dalias: gnome-icon-something 2014-12-04 22:27:24 IIRC 2014-12-04 22:27:59 gnome-icon-theme{,-symbolic} should be enough 2014-12-04 22:29:05 thanks, fixed it 2014-12-04 22:31:26 dalias, annnnd the import command is borking on me 2014-12-04 22:34:27 every time i run git send-email i get sendmail: Cannot open mailhub:25 2014-12-04 22:34:27 Died at /usr/libexec/git-core/git-send-email line 1227, line 2. 2014-12-04 22:34:41 and the git config for send email is properly configured 2014-12-04 22:34:50 for the SMTP credentials 2014-12-04 22:47:42 dalias, any suggestions I know newb question 2014-12-04 23:00:01 systmkor, try adding your user to the mail group 2014-12-04 23:00:41 quinq, already am 2014-12-04 23:01:18 system groups apart of - disk mail dialout wireshark tpe_trusted abuild sudo 2014-12-04 23:03:13 Don't know then :/ 2014-12-04 23:03:43 try strace your git send-email 2014-12-04 23:04:35 quinq, for sure 2014-12-04 23:06:01 quinq, 2014-12-04 23:06:02 http://pastebin.com/kg29xLv8 2014-12-04 23:06:45 Really, that's all ?! 2014-12-04 23:06:51 no it isn't but right before that 2014-12-04 23:07:02 I hit y to send one sec will dump entire trace 2014-12-04 23:10:02 What's your /usr/sbin/sendmail ? 2014-12-04 23:15:31 roger? 2014-12-04 23:20:00 quinq, File: '/usr/sbin/sendmail' -> 'ssmtp' 2014-12-04 23:21:08 Do you have something like /etc/ssmtp ? 2014-12-04 23:21:36 /etc/ssmtp/ssmtp.conf 2014-12-04 23:22:53 quinq, full strace http://pastebin.com/kaeNDRVN 2014-12-04 23:23:13 yup 2014-12-04 23:23:21 it's the default conf that came with the package 2014-12-04 23:24:09 i did read some suggestions to put your login information there but then why isn't git send-email passing the credentials accordingly 2014-12-04 23:24:19 and ssmtp is the same sendmail I had in arch linux 2014-12-04 23:24:48 Oh 2014-12-04 23:24:57 Which credentials ? 2014-12-04 23:25:15 You have to configure an smtp you are authorized to use 2014-12-04 23:25:52 yup with git config 2014-12-04 23:26:01 same config as I had on arch 2014-12-04 23:26:28 except different password since I have 2 factor auth for my gmail account so effectively a different app password 2014-12-04 23:29:13 So you have set sendemail.smtp{server,user,pass} 2014-12-04 23:29:23 I don't know, sorry :/ 2014-12-04 23:29:35 yup 2014-12-04 23:30:37 And what's the difference with you previous working setud ? 2014-12-04 23:30:48 The switch from Arch to Alpine ? 2014-12-04 23:31:09 I couldn't give a good answer 2014-12-04 23:31:29 I was having effectively the same problem 2014-12-04 23:31:38 s/setud/setup 2014-12-04 23:31:38 with the default sendmail that comes with Alpine 2014-12-04 23:36:28 Did you read the warning message ? 2014-12-04 23:37:04 about cc and sendemail.confirm 2014-12-04 23:37:12 (I didn't) 2014-12-04 23:37:40 quinq, what line? 2014-12-04 23:38:21 quinq, you get the Cc list warning by default with git-send-email 2014-12-04 23:38:26 yes 2014-12-04 23:38:45 i have a feeling the issue is that senmdail can't open mailhub:25 2014-12-04 23:38:56 or w/e the busybox sendmail equiv is couldn't do effectively the same 2014-12-04 23:39:29 Well, the error message on the trace is that it can't close the message 2014-12-04 23:39:56 close $sm or die $!; 2014-12-04 23:40:16 Try setting git config --global sendemail.confirm auto 2014-12-04 23:40:23 See if that changes anything 2014-12-04 23:41:24 quinq, same problem 2014-12-04 23:42:24 Well, not the message sorry, the '$sm', sendmail ? 2014-12-04 23:47:02 You're sure about your gmail credentials ? 2014-12-04 23:47:29 yup 2014-12-04 23:47:35 well here we can double check on sec 2014-12-04 23:49:00 quinq, http://pastebin.com/h2xXR8Ba 2014-12-04 23:49:38 Yes but what I meant was that it is allowed on gmail side 2014-12-04 23:49:53 yup 2014-12-04 23:50:00 using claws on Alpine 2014-12-04 23:50:04 with IMAP 2014-12-04 23:50:06 same account 2014-12-04 23:50:12 only difference is a different password 2014-12-04 23:51:19 And if you unset the password from git and type it manually ? 2014-12-04 23:54:56 unset and same problem 2014-12-04 23:55:07 it crashes before any password input is requested 2014-12-04 23:58:12 so maybe its the ssmtp configuration 2014-12-04 23:59:39 nothing suspicious in ssmtp.conf ? 2014-12-05 00:07:14 nothing really in there 2014-12-05 00:07:29 I am looking around for a ssmtp.conf that is setup to work with git send-email 2014-12-05 00:07:32 no luck so far 2014-12-05 00:16:55 nothing like ~/.config/ssmtp.conf ? 2014-12-05 00:17:28 no just /etc/ssmtp.conf or /etc/ssmtp/ssmtp.conf 2014-12-05 00:18:31 what's mailhub= in it ? 2014-12-05 00:24:07 quinq, by default it is set to :25 2014-12-05 00:27:01 what are the permissions on it ? 2014-12-05 00:27:06 (on the /etc/ssmtp/ssmtp.conf file) 2014-12-05 00:27:21 rw for root 2014-12-05 00:27:23 r for mail 2014-12-05 00:27:37 right 2014-12-05 00:29:41 What about testing another mta ? 2014-12-05 00:29:53 sure 2014-12-05 00:30:02 recommendations 2014-12-05 00:30:30 Maybe msmtp 2014-12-05 00:32:30 installed 2014-12-05 00:33:21 sendmail symlink is changed ? 2014-12-05 00:34:43 nope 2014-12-05 00:35:20 change sendmail to msmtp 2014-12-05 00:35:26 yep 2014-12-05 00:38:35 Any luck ? 2014-12-05 00:42:13 failed 2014-12-05 00:42:18 msmtp says no configuration file found 2014-12-05 00:45:27 quinq, found this though https://git.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/GitTips#Using_msmtp_to_send_your_patches 2014-12-05 00:46:34 systmkor, sendmail.stmpserverport=587 !? 2014-12-05 00:46:58 or sendmail.smtpserverport=587 2014-12-05 00:47:47 What's the question ? 2014-12-05 00:48:17 i don't know that's gmails smtp port 2014-12-05 00:48:38 tls port 2014-12-05 00:49:40 yah 2014-12-05 00:49:57 well I believe it's required to use STARTTLS 2014-12-05 00:49:59 for SMTP 2014-12-05 00:51:05 Well, good night 2014-12-05 00:51:35 quinq, thanks 2014-12-05 00:52:36 And good luck :) 2014-12-05 00:52:53 somebody definetly needs to write spellcheck for config files with dictionary of config tech words only 2014-12-05 00:53:16 ;) 2014-12-05 00:53:58 *definitely 2014-12-05 00:59:04 hmm.. git send-email worked ? 2014-12-05 01:01:53 ok, gtg, happy patch sending 2014-12-05 13:23:42 Greetings all 2014-12-05 13:37:59 hi 2014-12-05 14:00:53 Alpine er kjempebra! 2014-12-05 14:03:22 ginjachris, are you from norway? 2014-12-05 14:03:43 no :( I understand a few basic words 2014-12-05 14:04:15 and some of them I can guess from English (like skribe - excuse the spelling - for "to write" 2014-12-05 14:04:56 but we're practically neighbours, I'm in UK :) 2014-12-05 14:05:19 Norway seems like a very sensible country 2014-12-05 14:37:57 dalias: did my last alpinelinux.org fixes do any diff on the logo issue? 2014-12-05 14:38:03 i have not been able to reproduce it 2014-12-05 16:11:15 ncopa, i'll look again 2014-12-05 16:11:33 maybe a test page containing nothing but the logo would be helpful if not 2014-12-05 16:11:47 to determine if the logo is incomplete or getting covered up by some other element 2014-12-05 16:41:45 have a great weekend all! 2014-12-06 06:37:09 migration to ovs done :) ty alpine-linux 2014-12-06 10:05:23 héhé. right now my hands-and-eyes is changing some HDD and will reboot 5 servers in production with alpine ;) 2014-12-06 10:07:51 will run KVM with OVS on it. 3 will form a CEPH cluster (with voyagelinux in a KVM), 1 will run freeswitch and the last one regular KVMs with LXC in it. 2014-12-06 10:21:36 Jean-Scotch: sounds interessting ;) nice setup to play with 2014-12-06 10:27:00 yep 2014-12-06 11:14:49 Hi, I finally decided to host my ports, please tell me what I should change : https://gitorious.org/aports/aports/source/master: 2014-12-06 11:18:05 strange, the module kvm-intel does'nt load even if the flag vmx is present on the proc (Intel Xeon)... 2014-12-06 11:19:57 Jean-Scotch: isn't name kvm_intel ? 2014-12-06 11:20:00 named * 2014-12-06 11:20:45 ~# modprobe kvm-intel 2014-12-06 11:20:45 modprobe: can't load module kvm-intel (kernel/arch/x86/kvm/kvm-intel.ko): Not supported 2014-12-06 11:21:25 ~# modprobe kvm_intel 2014-12-06 11:21:25 modprobe: can't load module kvm_intel (kernel/arch/x86/kvm/kvm-intel.ko): Not supported 2014-12-06 11:21:40 :( 2014-12-06 11:21:50 do you run the grsec kernel ? 2014-12-06 11:22:41 theorically, you should modprob "kvm" first 2014-12-06 11:22:57 +e 2014-12-06 11:23:04 sorry i'm uncaffeined 2014-12-06 11:24:51 ahhh sorry 2014-12-06 11:25:02 did not read enough 2014-12-06 11:25:21 you can't forward KVM capabilities 2014-12-06 11:25:55 you are trying to load kvm inside a kernel running in kvm isn't ? 2014-12-06 11:30:54 no 2014-12-06 11:30:57 on baremetal 2014-12-06 11:31:10 modprobe kvm is fine 2014-12-06 11:31:35 oh, ok all right 2014-12-06 11:31:40 same behaviour on second machine 2014-12-06 11:32:05 I run the alpine 3.0.6 2014-12-06 11:32:11 from usb key 2014-12-06 11:34:01 and yes it is the grsec kernel 2014-12-06 11:36:56 it seems to be bios related... I'm asking my hand-and-eyes to investigate 2014-12-06 11:37:29 yeap, maybe the VT features are disabled 2014-12-06 13:25:38 yep. that whas it. disabled in bios... now it's fine. Still just missing a firmware for the aic94xx card on one of the machines but I can figure that out. And unfortunately one of the server died. It won't start anymore... that means 3 alpine (baremetal from usb) in prod and soon one more. 2014-12-06 13:34:43 Yay 2014-12-06 14:11:45 I need to copy the firmware to /lib/firmware (or /lib/firmware/adaptec) but alpine says that it's a read-only filesystem... it is somewhere in /.modloop. I'm running from usb key and do not plan to put it on disk. Is it safe to remount it rw to copy the file and back to ro? maybe tell to lbu, commit then reboot? will it be safe? I cannot afford to lose contact with the machine as my hand-and-eyes is gone and is not able to go back 2014-12-06 14:13:38 Jean-Scotch: I would create a pkg and add it ... makes it more portable across upgrade etc. 2014-12-06 14:14:52 good idea... need to read more doc how to use my own repo in top of the official ones then... 2014-12-06 14:15:00 and you don´t need you hands-and-eyes because nothing get broken this way ;) 2014-12-06 14:15:45 just copy the apk to the system and force install with --allow-untrusted to test - as quick and dirty 2014-12-06 14:16:37 later you can add your key and the apk to /media/usb/myapks/... and add it to the repo-file followed by an lbu commit 2014-12-06 14:17:03 ok. I do not yet now all the magic of apk ;) alpine is still fresh to me 2014-12-06 14:17:20 s/now/know/ 2014-12-06 14:18:17 If your package has no deps ( e.g. in your case ) you can install single pkg without repo just copy the file ... ;) 2014-12-06 14:19:06 I luv alpine ... btw. alpine in docker is really nice to do packaging and testing stuff like that 2014-12-06 14:19:25 yep, it is just one file... it should not be to difficult to figure out to prepare that kin of package ;) 2014-12-06 16:23:37 pff the package doen't work because /.modloop/ is read-only :( 2014-12-06 16:26:31 bon tant pis pour aujourd'hui. je vais plutot remonter nbd-server pour pouvoir bouger les windows de schorter 2014-12-08 13:24:10 HI 2014-12-08 13:27:17 I need to add a firmware to an alpine setup (on usb) to be able to access the HDD on the box. But /lib/modules/firmware is in the /.modloop ro squashfs... is it a proper way to do that on a live system (I do not have physical acces to the machine anymore)? 2014-12-08 13:35:36 Jean-Scotch: it used to be possible to create a /firmware dir on the boot usb and put it there 2014-12-08 13:35:43 but i dont think that is possible anymore 2014-12-08 13:35:56 so might be you need create your own custom modloop 2014-12-08 13:37:33 ncopa: and will it be possible/feasible to change it on the usb key and that to be taken into account wuith a smiple "reboot"? because I do not have physical acces to the box... 2014-12-08 13:38:40 I can make tests on my laptop but the box is 1000 kw away and my hand-and-eyes is now in exam period and is not available anymore... 2014-12-08 13:40:14 you 2014-12-08 13:40:21 you need access the HDD? 2014-12-08 13:40:30 and to do so you need firmware? 2014-12-08 13:40:38 yes. thera are 8 HDD on this box ;) 2014-12-08 13:41:08 yes. I forgot that while asking to upgrade from debian to alpine for this box 2014-12-08 13:41:25 this is a supermicro box with an adaptec sata controller 2014-12-08 13:41:27 in theory, it should be possible to put the firware a place where kernel looks and then load the kernel module 2014-12-08 13:41:44 and this specific controller needs a custom firmware to run linux 2014-12-08 13:41:56 and this firmware is not in the stadard kernel 2014-12-08 13:42:12 but i dont know if kernel have any secondary place where it looks for firmware 2014-12-08 13:42:18 how much memory do you you have 2014-12-08 13:42:51 the dmesg log says that the fw is not present in /lib/modules firware as far as I remeber 2014-12-08 13:42:57 you could maybe copy the contents out of modloop to tmpfs 2014-12-08 13:43:05 then umount modloop 2014-12-08 13:43:16 8GB with 4 core on this box 2014-12-08 13:43:17 move the dir to /lib/modules 2014-12-08 13:43:36 and finally append the missing firmware 2014-12-08 13:43:46 but that will not help for next reboot... 2014-12-08 13:44:29 if I nedd to do it by hand each reboot from the usk key, so be it! I do not plan to rebbot this box for the next 3 years... 2014-12-08 13:44:56 she is on a private lan not connected to the internet 2014-12-08 13:45:04 and will become a file server 2014-12-08 13:45:45 (trough the use of CEPH inside a voyagelinux KVM connected trough openvswitch ;) ) 2014-12-08 13:48:15 Next time it will reboot is to add 3 TB hdd in replacement of the current 1 TB ones... not so very often and always with full presence of myself to add new OSD to the CEPH cluster... so no big deal to have a more complex procedure to setup everything up again as I like to follow my own documentation whenever possible ^^ 2014-12-08 13:50:53 I will translate in english my docs on how to build a ceph cluster based on alpine on the wiki.a.o even if musl is still not compatible with CEPH ;) 2014-12-08 13:51:10 because I will be in prod with such a setup before christmas 2014-12-08 13:51:18 i didnt manage to get ceph working for v3.1 :-( 2014-12-08 13:51:44 I saw that. Thanks anyway for Alpine ;) 2014-12-08 13:53:42 I'm betting on it and will contribute the few I can (hope to become more competent to do more). As I have specific targerts for production, I guess a focused hand may help. 2014-12-08 13:54:50 I'm a 15 yo debian admin but totaly fresh to musl... 2014-12-08 13:55:12 (I'm not 15 yo :D ) 2014-12-08 13:57:58 Whatever I did with alpine is already documented in our internal redmine ;) but in french... that's why I will add it in one piece in english on w.a.o when it will be in prod. So the doc will be a real case and not work-in-progrerss 2014-12-08 14:03:34 ncopa: if I add the firware when system is running, will it be taken into account to recognize the sata controller? how to fire a kernel event to do that? 2014-12-08 14:05:22 Jean-Scotch: Usually the kernel module tries to access the firmware files when it is modprobed 2014-12-08 14:05:28 yes 2014-12-08 14:05:35 you'd need rmmod and modprobe it 2014-12-08 14:06:09 ok. will try that. 2014-12-08 14:06:18 i think this kind of things will be easier in future, wieh overlayfs 2014-12-08 14:06:20 with* 2014-12-08 14:07:03 for me it's a real use case ^^ but next hardawre, I will watch out before buying... 2014-12-08 14:32:14 .desktop 3 2014-12-08 14:46:19 it will be for tomorrow as a disk just crashes on another server and I have to fix that (remotely) asap (customer is waiting...). I will start his dedicated hw in a kvm on alpine from backup ;) 2014-12-09 01:09:11 dalias, do you have any experience with lxc containers? 2014-12-09 01:16:28 dalias, nvm I figured my problem out 2014-12-09 05:27:08 Why does the samba-doc package contain 6 man pages for perl modules and nothing related to samba? 2014-12-09 05:28:05 http://sprunge.us/RVZJ 2014-12-09 07:20:09 shardz: heh. thats interesting 2014-12-09 07:21:21 my guess is that, the samba man pages has some dependency that is not added to makedepends but the perl stuff has what it needs to build the man pages 2014-12-09 07:28:05 found it 2014-12-09 07:28:09 Checking for stylesheet http://docbook.sourceforge.net/release/xsl/current/manpa 2014-12-09 07:28:09 ges/docbook.xsl : not found 2014-12-09 07:28:09 A local copy of the docbook.xsl wasn't found on your system consider installing 2014-12-09 07:28:09 package like docbook-xsl 2014-12-09 08:21:02 meh 2014-12-09 08:21:10 what is this sabotage-linux?:/ 2014-12-09 08:23:38 it is a distro that tries to sabotage linux :) 2014-12-09 08:23:46 j/k 2014-12-09 08:23:51 its a musl based distro 2014-12-09 08:24:28 you should probably ask in #sabotage 2014-12-09 08:32:16 yea just.. why don't they contribute ther resources to alpine :/ 2014-12-09 08:38:07 they started with musl before alpine did 2014-12-09 08:38:40 and we do help each other 2014-12-09 08:38:49 we have used various patches from sabotage 2014-12-09 08:39:33 and i think it is good when reporting bugs to upstream software too 2014-12-09 08:39:37 ah ok, thx 2014-12-09 08:39:42 instead of "this affects alpine only.." 2014-12-09 08:39:52 we can now say: "this affects alpine and sabotage.." 2014-12-09 08:40:23 btw, i got an email from someone working on musl support for buildroot 2014-12-09 08:40:43 he had a question about a patch we use for building mpd 2014-12-09 08:40:58 which resulted in upstream mpd fixing it 2014-12-09 08:41:09 and there was even a question in musl mailing list 2014-12-09 08:41:14 + a patch 2014-12-09 08:41:44 so i think its good that ppl work with musl on more than alpine 2014-12-09 09:12:53 I haven't been succesful in actually getting mpd working on alpine, but that was one version ago. 2014-12-09 09:14:12 That might have been PaX's fault though. 2014-12-09 09:18:05 shardz: i pushed fix for samba manpages 2014-12-09 09:18:06 thanks! 2014-12-09 09:22:40 ncopa: thanks right back! 2014-12-09 11:17:26 alut 2014-12-09 12:02:13 what should we include in the v3.1 release notes? 2014-12-09 12:10:36 that xen works :) 2014-12-09 13:09:57 what the focus of 3.2 ? 2014-12-09 14:17:49 Greetings! 2014-12-09 14:45:02 hi, I'm going to install and use alpine on my new home server before end of the year (first read about it last week), so I'll idle/hang out here (just in case). my old one has slack (or, it was slack at some point ;>), I use debian daily and I had some experience with arch on my laptop, so I am open to try something new. I like minimal+secure approach alpine chose. having musl and grsec out-of-the 2014-12-09 14:45:08 -box is really nice. 2014-12-09 14:45:47 awesome, I think you'll enjoy Alpine alot :) 2014-12-09 14:58:02 BTW what's the state of alpine on arm? AFAICS it's still in testing, so is there any special work needed to be done before it will be acknowledged as officially supported arch? 2014-12-09 14:58:41 przemoc, no, we are shipping arm with 3.1.0 release which is imminent 2014-12-09 14:58:53 though, we have only raspberry pi images ready so far 2014-12-09 14:59:07 hoping to get wandboard images done soonish 2014-12-09 14:59:25 oh, I see. 2014-12-09 15:08:38 is alpine package browser broken because of this new website? 2014-12-09 15:11:51 http://www.alpinelinux.org/packages/ is broken in two ways: 1) links to packages are wrong (404) 2) switching pages fails (AJAX HTTP error occured, 413) 2014-12-09 15:12:48 (well, filtering doesn't work too for the same reason: 413) 2014-12-09 15:18:26 yes, that's broken for now. you could raise a bug report on bugs.alpinelinux.org ;) 2014-12-09 15:21:35 alpine's redmine doesn't look like an extensively used being ;) 2014-12-09 15:25:39 oh no, there is old irssi in alpine! you cannot release new alpine with it. :) 2014-12-09 15:25:46 the folks on the members list see it, and it forwards the report to all the folks on the mailing list 2014-12-09 15:27:00 if you're already aware of the problem re web pkg browser, is there any added value to reporting it via redmine? 2014-12-09 15:27:34 przemoc: it serves as reminder 2014-12-09 15:27:46 what is the new version of irssi? 2014-12-09 15:28:02 and how version bumping of packages is requested/performed in alpine? 2014-12-09 15:28:07 0.8.17 2014-12-09 15:28:24 released on October 11th 2014. 2014-12-09 15:28:42 feature request in redmine :) 2014-12-09 15:29:02 or better still, submit a patch :) 2014-12-09 15:29:06 i have a script so i can relatively easily bump packages 2014-12-09 15:29:17 irssi fails to build 2014-12-09 15:29:31 which is probably why it is not yet upgraded 2014-12-09 15:29:46 probably irssi-0.8.15-no-static-unload.patch needs updating 2014-12-09 15:30:02 does 8.17 patch? 2014-12-09 15:30:25 the irssi-italics.patch fails to apply 2014-12-09 15:30:37 is it still needed? 2014-12-09 15:33:23 perl module is not built 2014-12-09 15:33:49 will have to create account at redmine it seems. I will leave my workplace soon, so I'll do it from home later. 2014-12-09 15:34:29 https://github.com/irssi/irssi/pull/58 Implement italics support for Irssi is merged, but haven't checked how close it is to the patch in alpine repo 2014-12-09 15:35:05 przemoc: welcome to alpinelinux 2014-12-09 15:37:47 the patch is slightly different, but I think it's better to stick to the official way incorporated in irssi 2014-12-09 15:38:08 przemoc: agree 2014-12-09 15:38:26 dont bother create an issue on bugs.a.o 2014-12-09 15:38:28 i'm on it 2014-12-09 15:38:45 k 2014-12-09 15:41:48 i think package browser is slightly fixed now... :) 2014-12-09 15:41:49 thanks 2014-12-09 15:42:26 and i pushed irssi update 2014-12-09 15:43:58 how efficient is that! 2014-12-09 15:44:16 build/build-3-1-x86_64 1/1 1917/1918 main/irssi 0.8.17-r0 2014-12-09 15:44:18 :) 2014-12-09 15:47:04 great, sorry for straining you. just wanted to avoid installing alpine later (i.e. when it will come to that) and having to compile some software myself, because old stuff mysteriously preserved. 2014-12-09 15:47:52 when 3.1 is meant for release, tomorrow? 2014-12-09 15:49:48 package updates aren't automagical. it's down to the package maintainers i suppose. 2014-12-09 15:50:17 I understand that. maybe I'll manage to look through available alpine packages today or tomorrow and find if there are any more stale cases. 2014-12-09 15:51:14 that would be awesome 2014-12-09 15:51:42 i am waiting for arm builderes to finish 2014-12-09 15:51:48 so i can tag v3.1.0 2014-12-09 15:51:52 :) 2014-12-09 15:52:04 looks like it will not reach it... :-/ 2014-12-09 15:52:19 so probably tomorrow 2014-12-09 15:52:47 what's building armhf? 2014-12-09 15:52:51 (hardware) 2014-12-09 15:53:22 wandboard quad 2014-12-09 15:53:34 patches (if needed) should be attached to redmine issues (i.e. feature requests)? or send directly to alpine-dev ml? 2014-12-09 15:53:49 you don't cross-compile for arm? 2014-12-09 16:22:40 gotta go, have a great evening all! 2014-12-09 16:23:05 p.s. @ncopa - thanks for the best linux distro of all time :) 2014-12-09 18:20:06 o/ 2014-12-09 18:20:14 \o 2014-12-09 18:20:23 \o/ alpine \o/ 2014-12-09 18:20:33 ^ how I feel when I use apk or lbu 2014-12-09 18:20:43 i'm struggling to set up masquerade with awall, i can't find any docs on how that would work 2014-12-09 18:21:06 can someone pinpoint me to an example file? 2014-12-09 18:25:27 just general masquerade? 2014-12-09 18:26:00 i want to masquerade outgoing packets coming from docker0 2014-12-09 18:26:27 I just have "snat": [ { "out": "my-external-zone" } ] 2014-12-09 18:26:46 source NAT is masquerading 2014-12-09 18:32:27 ahills: \o/ thanks a bunch 2014-12-09 18:34:28 any time :) 2014-12-09 18:56:19 rhapsodhy: \o/ 2014-12-09 19:03:05 I decided to finally look at the ACF, but I can't figure out how to log in; I can't find any docs on the wiki describing how to do so either. 2014-12-09 19:03:43 I get to the login page, but none of the system users or root work. 2014-12-09 19:21:56 . 2014-12-09 19:22:29 Ah, there's a unique passwd file just for acf. 2014-12-09 19:23:19 lots of happiness here this evening \o/ 2014-12-09 19:33:12 ahoi rhapsodhy 2014-12-09 19:45:36 shardz: if you run setup-acf with no options it will create a 'root' ACF user with the same password as system root user 2014-12-09 19:46:01 Yeah, the problem was that I immediately changed my root password afterwards and the change didn't propagate (at it shouldn't). 2014-12-09 19:46:04 as* 2014-12-09 19:46:16 ok, good 2014-12-09 21:48:27 damn, I was goint to create issue about half-working package browser, but it seems that 413 has been already fixed too (before I saw only 404 fixed) 2014-12-09 21:50:55 s/goint/going/ 2014-12-09 22:14:51 are there any tool/util to test lines in file B.txt if exists in file A.txt ? 2014-12-09 22:15:31 well, you have a shell, and grep... 2014-12-09 22:15:56 yes, I can, already 2014-12-09 22:16:24 but just wondering there might be a direct util 2014-12-09 22:16:26 I'm not sure it is right channel for this kind of question, but I would `sort` both files and use `comm` 2014-12-09 22:17:01 grep can take a file to use as patterns (so your file B) and search in A. 2014-12-09 22:17:54 I was trying to avoid a method that does direct string compare 2014-12-09 22:18:07 what? 2014-12-09 22:18:43 are xrdb, xfontsel, etc in any package? 2014-12-09 22:19:29 I think I may have found a uniq util for coretuils, http://troydhanson.github.io/misc/bloom.html 2014-12-09 22:19:32 comm is rarely known. as long as you can sort both files and store the result, comm will be the least expensive solution. check `man comm` 2014-12-09 22:19:43 comm looks nice 2014-12-09 22:19:53 but don't know how it compares 2014-12-09 22:20:58 How do you expect to compare strings without comparing strings? 2014-12-09 22:21:17 comm works line by line, it takes advantage of files being sorted, so it avoids testing each line with each line from both files 2014-12-09 22:21:33 by comparing hashes 2014-12-09 22:22:20 I sent a request mail to coreutil team ;-) 2014-12-09 22:23:24 it should but not sure be utf safe or any string safe 2014-12-09 22:28:54 ok comm has LC_COLLATE like things, so does not use hash 2014-12-09 22:29:05 but nice util 2014-12-09 22:33:18 LC_COLLATE has nothing to hashing. comm assumes sorted data, so LC_COLLATE is needed to specify how they're sorted (if not using default LC_COLLATE). hashing needs precomputing, and is only first countermeasure, if it matches you still need to do comparison. depending on your data, hash-driven way may be faster, but not necessarily 2014-12-09 22:34:14 so comm does sting compare ? 2014-12-09 22:35:28 I have not tried doing with large files or data sets, but bloomfilter method could be useful 2014-12-09 22:36:30 yes, it obviously does string compare 2014-12-09 22:36:33 so the tradeoff is hash(overhead) over stringcompare (algo) 2014-12-09 22:38:01 and ofc, there are other limitation to hash like collisions 2014-12-09 22:39:17 http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/coreutils/2014-12/msg00009.html 2014-12-09 23:18:56 you know you have to read a string to hash it, right? 2014-12-09 23:21:48 but don't know what happens if there are controlchar or unsupported utfs 2014-12-09 23:28:38 comm shouldn't care that the sorting matches LC_COLLATE 2014-12-09 23:28:59 just that the files are sorted consistently by some order relation 2014-12-09 23:40:01 ah, ok 2014-12-09 23:40:41 ahem, cough, kernel 3.19 could have kGraft, Kpatch, wonder how that would be dealt in AL ;) 2014-12-09 23:47:30 dalias, I think you may be wrong, but I haven't checked comm sources yet. with wrong LC_COLLATE (i.e. mismatching the one used for sorting) comm cannot properly advance, because depending on strcmp result (or whatever is used internally, you decide on which side to advance, so some lines could be misdetected between files (not considered as existing in both). 2014-12-09 23:50:54 przemoc, that sounds like the new suggested util (testline) in coreutils could be useful 2014-12-09 23:52:11 it may be, but testline would be rather a bad name 2014-12-09 23:52:20 tl 2014-12-09 23:53:38 le (line exists), lie (line if exist) 2014-12-09 23:56:16 fcl (find common lines) supporting any number of files 2014-12-09 23:56:42 but there is option to print odd lines out 2014-12-09 23:58:28 most unix tools works with any number of files, making it only work with 2 wouldn't be nice 2014-12-10 00:01:22 -N # - show only lines existing in # files (by default # = no of files, of course) 2014-12-10 00:03:42 przemoc, I think commenting on ML coreutil would be nice, maybe any dev who accepts the request add your suggestion too 2014-12-10 00:04:11 but then I would keep in note too 2014-12-10 00:06:27 I doubt such new tool would went into coreutils easily, but maybe I'm wrong. you can always create your own vkutils or something like that 2014-12-10 00:06:41 and put it there 2014-12-10 00:07:27 hmm... :-) 2014-12-10 00:17:21 i take it right that enhanceio got ditched over flashcache in the new releases, right? 2014-12-10 00:17:45 was there a specific reason (i.e. crashes) to remove it? 2014-12-10 00:18:32 or, actually more likely, was it related to dead-ness? 2014-12-10 00:19:47 darkfader, http://www.irclogger.com/.alpine-devel/2014-07-31#1406803618 2014-12-10 00:23:45 ah! 2014-12-10 00:23:47 thanks 2014-12-10 00:24:46 i use both actually, enhanceio has a few nice points but if it didn't work then it really doesn't matter at all 2014-12-10 00:26:52 I think phoronix did carry out some nice benchmarks 2014-12-10 00:28:57 it would be sad if the tools work different on some vendors SSD 2014-12-10 00:39:37 no more like differnet use cases 2014-12-10 00:40:23 enhanceio is more interesting if you want to hot-plug the cache to an existing device, or if you use xen since flashcache sucks for some of the unaligned IO 2014-12-10 00:40:39 and actually, i had flashcache crash on hgst ssd but not on samsung 2014-12-10 00:40:54 but it seems that's a thing of the past, didn't crash last time i tried 2014-12-10 00:43:09 nice, they finally working on some common factors 2014-12-10 00:43:31 maybe then time to buy one 2014-12-10 00:44:49 definitely. 2014-12-10 08:56:22 ncopa, https://github.com/sabotage-linux/sabotage/commit/59f33819beaf8c990b41955cb09b3bd9984cb6d2 2014-12-10 08:57:39 ok? 2014-12-10 08:58:33 you mentioned wanting to start AL and autostart/ configure wifi 2014-12-10 09:00:02 new browsers, http://www.linuxlinks.com/article/20141127141517421/NewWebBrowsers.html 2014-12-10 09:03:13 is ntopng better than ntop ? 2014-12-10 09:04:16 ncopa: you upgraded sqlite, so you can close #3603 as solved or should I do it myself? 2014-12-10 10:28:36 I just noticed that in all my package request/upgrade issues (#3600-#3608,#3610) I forgot to set category to aports, but I am unable to change that myself. 2014-12-10 10:28:43 I'll do better next time 2014-12-10 11:06:49 does this look ok? http://wwwtest.alpinelinux.org/posts/Alpine-3.1.0-released.html 2014-12-10 11:07:04 if so, I'll publish it after lunch 2014-12-10 11:07:16 Hi all 2014-12-10 11:07:31 on a fresh start, I've got: # qemu-system-x86_64 2014-12-10 11:07:31 Error relocating /usr/bin/qemu-system-x86_64: libusb_alloc_streams: symbol not found 2014-12-10 11:07:31 Error relocating /usr/bin/qemu-system-x86_64: libusb_transfer_set_stream_id: symbol not found 2014-12-10 11:07:31 Error relocating /usr/bin/qemu-system-x86_64: libusb_free_streams: symbol not found 2014-12-10 11:08:29 the machine had just her hdd controlled who died and hoped to resurect her as a kvm hosts :( 2014-12-10 11:08:45 with alpine on usb stick 2014-12-10 11:08:45 \o/ looks good ncopa! 2014-12-10 11:09:30 might be nice to mention that the raspberry pi build is "hard float" 2014-12-10 11:09:34 though not necessary 2014-12-10 11:14:12 having latest grep (#3612) in 3.1.0 would be nice, but I can understand if you don't want any more updates before release. I guess I discovered alpine a bit too late regarding to alpine release plans. 2014-12-10 11:28:26 qemu gives that answers on 4 boxes I've tested :( 2014-12-10 11:28:49 and those were working with qemu on debian 2014-12-10 11:29:37 and they are diskless now. to strat kvm normally :( 2014-12-10 11:31:09 and with no physical access ;) otherwise it would not be fun 2014-12-10 11:37:05 fixed ;) 2014-12-10 12:05:11 Jean-Scotch: is it a problem in with the v3.1 release? 2014-12-10 12:05:46 no it was a mismath in lib version. i had to manually upgrade libusb 2014-12-10 12:05:54 apk upgrade did'nt 2014-12-10 12:06:12 but apk add libusb did 2014-12-10 12:10:50 i have 7 in 10 servers who had a hardware failure this week-end. I had plan to gently roll alpine one by one, but due to the crash already 5 out of 7 still running are now running alpine from usb keys ans some of them diskless ,) I did recover all the data mounting some hdd within alpine. but all my services are now down :( I have to rebuild everything from scratch but on alpine with kvm, crossing data with NBD.. 2014-12-10 12:11:49 so from now I'm an alpine sysdamin I guess :D 2014-12-10 12:11:55 congrats :) 2014-12-10 12:12:43 fabled: like this? http://sprunge.us/VUcL 2014-12-10 12:13:12 yeah, that'd be nice 2014-12-10 12:13:39 przemoc: no you didnt discover alpine too late. the 3.1 should been out in the beginning of nov 2014-12-10 12:13:45 so it *me* who was late :) 2014-12-10 12:14:54 ok :) 2014-12-10 12:20:03 I just wished to use 3.1 with already up-to-date stuff for installation on my new shiny home server (I still haven't touched alpine yet), but it looks like I won't avoid building stuff myself after all (well, I would possibly build something anyway, just a matter of delaying some things). ;> 2014-12-10 14:34:48 just checked the old alpine website and I'm not sure that new one is really better. 2014-12-10 14:37:01 it rather seems more clunky actually 2014-12-10 14:39:29 we dont need to worry about sec issues in drupal though 2014-12-10 14:39:55 new site runs without memcached, mysql php cache 2014-12-10 14:40:18 dont need any (serverside) caching 2014-12-10 14:40:28 oh, I see, I don't like useless bloat either 2014-12-10 14:40:41 i'll convert you to only use kore.io 2014-12-10 14:40:46 all the internet! 2014-12-10 14:40:48 so what's there now? 2014-12-10 14:41:02 przemoc: darkhttpd and static html pages 2014-12-10 14:41:05 hand-made static html? 2014-12-10 14:41:10 guessed so 2014-12-10 14:41:14 generated from markdown pages 2014-12-10 14:41:29 darkhttpd is awesome :) 2014-12-10 14:41:39 http://git.alpinelinux.org/cgit/alpine-mksite/ 2014-12-10 14:43:20 there are many nice lesser known httpd 2014-12-10 14:43:32 GET / ... html 6.38KB 2014-12-10 14:43:43 but I mostly stick to nginx for its versatility 2014-12-10 14:43:44 css = 6.48 + 24.66kb 2014-12-10 14:44:12 that includes the logo and icons 2014-12-10 14:44:13 i never got on with nginx, prefer lighttpd 2014-12-10 14:47:03 one of such lesser known httpds is lophttpd 2014-12-10 14:47:05 https://github.com/stealth/lophttpd 2014-12-10 14:48:41 new logo is better, but I dare to say: inefficient. why not use triangle as a base instead of hexagon? content in hexagon feels unbalanced, there is too much space above and below the mountains. 2014-12-10 14:49:29 and if not triangle (to discern from arch), square is also better alternative 2014-12-10 14:51:31 przemoc: you come too late for that discussion sorry :) 2014-12-10 14:51:49 you see, after all I am too late 2014-12-10 14:53:39 but nothing is set in stone, you can always make improvements. 2014-12-10 14:53:54 yup 2014-12-10 14:55:20 and in worst case there is always posibility of forking :) 2014-12-10 14:56:37 e.g. Elevated Linux, sounds proudly :> 2014-12-10 14:57:29 (alpine is a bad name too actually, you know, there is this alpine software being pine enhanced version) 2014-12-10 15:11:37 przemoc: to bad the alpine messaging client (the pine fork) did not exist at the time we picked the Alpine name for our distro 2014-12-10 15:12:11 we picked the Alpine name in august 2005 2014-12-10 15:13:09 seems Alpine (the mail client) was forked in 2007 2014-12-10 15:13:44 it is mentioned in nov 2006 2014-12-10 15:13:48 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.mail.pine.general/3602 2014-12-10 15:14:01 ok - first release is mentioned to be Dec 2007 2014-12-10 15:14:04 gotta run 2014-12-10 15:14:05 bye 2014-12-10 15:14:10 see u 2014-12-10 15:17:29 i use both alpine *and* alpine ;) 2014-12-10 15:18:28 :) 2014-12-10 15:21:27 if that's the case, then sorry. personally I really don't like when people choose names for their projects that are already used for something else. so I have to dislike al-pine from now on if they didn't perform proper research upon forking. ;) 2014-12-10 15:23:03 ncopa: will you have time to look at those graphics? 2014-12-10 15:24:58 przemoc: exactly ;) 2014-12-10 15:25:13 ScrumpyJack: yes, will do as soon I'm done with all the release stuff 2014-12-10 15:25:25 releasing has become so complicated 2014-12-10 15:25:34 need post on twitter and stuf... 2014-12-10 15:25:37 :) 2014-12-10 15:25:38 I'm in no hurry :) 2014-12-10 15:25:46 oh 2014-12-10 15:25:48 actually 2014-12-10 15:26:00 would be nice if atleast distrowatch got new logo 2014-12-10 15:26:01 woah! what's twitter? 2014-12-10 15:26:02 i'll do that 2014-12-10 15:26:51 przemoc, it's not really a problem as Alpine Linux is the full name 2014-12-10 15:27:24 You can easily distinguish between the two 2014-12-10 15:27:34 https://plus.google.com/107486357109626209707/about is it official one? 2014-12-10 15:28:04 ugh that too 2014-12-10 15:28:23 Also. I've just realised. You can't insist on calling Alpine “Alpine GNU/Linux”. 'Cause it's not. Hahahaha. 2014-12-10 15:28:38 i suppose i need some script that publish to google+ and twitter at same time 2014-12-10 15:28:43 i think there are also a facebook page... 2014-12-10 15:29:38 fbt: Alpine Linux may be the full name, but people are lazy and don't write or speak more than necessary, which means only official docs may have full name and all the rest of the world will be using short name 2014-12-10 15:30:12 Context. You don't just say “I use Alpine” or “You should try Alpine” out of context 2014-12-10 15:30:24 That'd be weird 2014-12-10 15:30:53 I'm ok as long as you dont say "Alpine GNU/Linux" :) 2014-12-10 15:31:49 no, why? I say: I use Debian or Arch, and it's perfectly fine. 2014-12-10 15:32:09 anyway, there was an issue on redmine about adding alpine-announcement ml, it should be considered 2014-12-10 15:32:26 in case of new release there could be mail and you could point to it on some ml archive 2014-12-10 15:32:41 przemoc, do you just say it out of the blue in a random context? 2014-12-10 15:32:44 how dare you.. its debian *GNU* linux :) 2014-12-10 15:33:02 yes we want alpine-announcement 2014-12-10 15:33:05 Like. Join a channel, say “I use Alpine” and that's it? 2014-12-10 15:33:55 I fail to see a context where you could easily confuse a messaging client and a distro. 2014-12-10 15:34:32 and maybe alpine-security or alpine-arrata? 2014-12-10 15:34:37 ncopa: and in case of such announcing mails remember to CC lwn.net, so it can be covered there too 2014-12-10 15:34:42 alpine-security is there already 2014-12-10 15:34:46 not used though, apparently 2014-12-10 15:34:59 correct 2014-12-10 15:35:36 lwn.net is not a bad idea 2014-12-10 15:37:10 on the subject of mailing lists, can we have alpine-users as well as alpine-announce 2014-12-10 15:37:27 yes we should have a users too i suppose 2014-12-10 15:38:44 lwn@lwn.net it is, for the sake of providing correct e-mail. many OS software CC their release-mails to them. 2014-12-10 15:39:28 someone should take on all this PR stuff :) 2014-12-10 15:39:33 yes 2014-12-10 15:39:53 - don't look at me :) 2014-12-10 15:39:58 i'd prefer not do it 2014-12-10 15:40:11 i don't even have a facebook or twitter account 2014-12-10 15:40:40 well, I only provide ideas and even don't use Alpine yet :D 2014-12-10 15:42:55 OS projects have sometimes releasing procedure fully described, then position responsible for release can be rotary 2014-12-10 15:44:34 example: https://sourceware.org/systemtap/wiki/SystemTapReleaseGuide 2014-12-10 15:48:09 let me note that current alpine web ml archive is terrible (well, most web ml archives are atrocious, but still...) 2014-12-10 15:48:59 one of a few decent ones is gmane 2014-12-10 15:49:02 http://news.gmane.org/gmane.linux.distributions.alpine.devel/ 2014-12-10 15:49:32 I would love if they would finally introduce vertical split for widescreens 2014-12-10 15:57:40 fix the ml archives is on my list 2014-12-10 15:59:02 should I create issue on bugs.a.o? :) 2014-12-10 16:04:00 yeah, if its not there already 2014-12-10 16:13:30 #3615 2014-12-10 16:13:54 bot is malfunctioning it seems 2014-12-10 16:18:56 przemoc: what do you think about patchwork? 2014-12-10 16:20:26 immensely better, but -devel is not only for patches 2014-12-10 16:21:13 from how it looks now at least 2014-12-10 16:53:19 I'm off, goodbye, goodnight, and stay safe! :) 2014-12-10 17:47:42 exit 2014-12-11 07:37:46 ScrumpyJack: are you there? 2014-12-11 08:48:42 Good Morning all 2014-12-11 09:27:33 morning 2014-12-11 10:32:13 don't know if useful on AL, http://hwraid.le-vert.net/ , seems important 2014-12-11 10:47:21 I updated about page content: http://wwwtest.alpinelinux.org/about/ 2014-12-11 10:47:37 well, i wonder if it is ok 2014-12-11 10:47:47 if so i'll publish it on main site 2014-12-11 10:47:57 i also added gpg signatures 2014-12-11 10:48:14 http://wwwtest.alpinelinux.org/downloads/ 2014-12-11 10:48:26 if those looks ok, I'll push to main site 2014-12-11 10:49:00 the diff: http://git.alpinelinux.org/cgit/alpine-mksite/commit/?h=wwwtest&id=14a2ff95f8a5be32211a5df1b091593693aa2e00 2014-12-11 10:53:29 nice 2014-12-11 11:03:00 is content better? is english language ok? 2014-12-11 11:06:51 you wrote Mb instead of MB 2014-12-11 11:07:49 and I think it's better to have space between number and unit 2014-12-11 11:09:21 even though we often write it in one go w/o space, it's not a clean style for documentation 2014-12-11 11:10:32 ncopa: i get a 404 for http://wiki.alpinelinux.org/cgi-bin/dl.cgi/v3.1/releases/x86_64/alpine-mini-3.1.0-x86_64.iso.sig 2014-12-11 11:10:40 can't check the signature 2014-12-11 11:11:39 aah, maybe only the mirror is not updated: mirror1.hs-esslingen.de (mirror1.hs-esslingen.de 2014-12-11 11:17:25 adding gpg signature, but in fact smuggling additional changes in CSS. this is how commits shouldn't be made. ;) 2014-12-11 11:23:17 Agreed with the space between number and unit 2014-12-11 11:24:07 “resource effiency” → ifficiency 2014-12-11 11:29:21 maybe change “all userland binaries are compiled with Position Independent Executables (PIE)” with “all userland binaries are compiled as position-independent executables (PIE)” 2014-12-11 11:29:52 or “with position-independent code (PIC)” 2014-12-11 11:31:54 s/ifficiency/efficiency > 2014-12-11 11:35:19 s/effiency/efficiency/ is better - ncopa can use it directly 2014-12-11 11:35:53 ACTION assumes ncopa uses vim 2014-12-11 11:36:19 huhu 2014-12-11 11:38:43 well, sed is good enough, but only for corrections, not for editing 2014-12-11 11:59:35 well if your assumption ois correct, then :%s/effiency/efficiency/ 2014-12-11 11:59:44 would be the most convenient for ncopa ;) 2014-12-11 12:01:01 :% types your subconcious for you, there is no need for mentioning it explicitly 2014-12-11 12:01:46 well this way it's copypasteable 2014-12-11 12:02:37 otherwise the trailing / is just one of the improvements. the prefix % is as much as important char as the / 2014-12-11 12:05:15 actually trailing / is not necessary in vim, but in sed it is 2014-12-11 12:05:34 so: http://sprunge.us/dQaj 2014-12-11 12:06:42 and fix units 2014-12-11 12:08:21 heh, indeed, a patch might be even more convenient and less annoying than our bickering over 1 or 2 chars. ;) 2014-12-11 12:10:31 so ncopa, what editor do you use? 2014-12-11 12:10:53 hehe :))) 2014-12-11 12:11:40 as you figured, vim... 2014-12-11 12:12:28 oh, that's great, sending ctrl+alt+whatever sequences is more troubling over IRC 2014-12-11 12:13:08 well it's easy to guess, it has to be vim. emacs does not compile on alpine yet. ;) 2014-12-11 12:14:31 don't hastily assume that ncopa doesn't have some better alpine linux for his own purposes. some aerial edition, maybe it even boots to emacs, who knows... 2014-12-11 12:14:41 but ad rem 2014-12-11 12:14:45 :%s/\/MB/g 2014-12-11 12:14:53 :%s/\([0-9]\+\) *MB/\1 MB/g 2014-12-11 12:16:08 http://sprunge.us/QHGU 2014-12-11 12:16:11 ok? 2014-12-11 12:18:10 "Not only do you get" is this a proper phrase? 2014-12-11 12:19:00 "You do not only get"? 2014-12-11 12:19:04 i dunno 2014-12-11 12:21:16 do is used to emphasize, but I think it should be rather followed by verb. "You do get not only" sound better for me, but I'm not an expert, English is only my second language and I am not proficient in it (at least I think so). 2014-12-11 12:21:30 s/sound/&s/ 2014-12-11 12:22:49 or maybe simply "You get not only", as do is not really necessary here IMHO 2014-12-11 12:26:02 "Not only do you get" is correct English :) 2014-12-11 12:26:56 ok, thanks for confirming 2014-12-11 12:27:10 I would personally use "Not only do you get a fully-fledged Linux environment, but also a wealth of packages at your disposal." 2014-12-11 12:27:35 You could omit tthe 'at your disposal' if you wish 2014-12-11 12:29:02 yeah, it indeed sounds redundant now that you mentioned it 2014-12-11 12:30:46 I think that PaX could be explicitly mentioned in secure section 2014-12-11 12:34:19 and another fix 2014-12-11 12:34:22 :%s/grsecurity/grsecurity/gi 2014-12-11 12:59:30 I'm not sure how it was working for me at home, but from work today I do get 413 when trying to change page or use filter at http://www.alpinelinux.org/packages/ 2014-12-11 12:59:45 so I'll report this 2014-12-11 14:29:03 re at disposal 2014-12-11 14:29:22 Not only do you get a fully-fledged 2014-12-11 14:29:22 Linux environment but a wealth of packages. 2014-12-11 14:29:44 A 2014-12-11 14:29:44 container requires no more that 10 MB and a minimal installation to disk 2014-12-11 14:29:44 requires around 130 MB of storage. Not only do you get a fully-fledged 2014-12-11 14:29:44 Linux environment but a wealth of packages. 2014-12-11 14:30:07 i thin it sounds like you get a wealth of packages included in those 10/130 MB 2014-12-11 14:30:15 which is not the case 2014-12-11 14:30:40 you get a wealth of packages that you can install on top of the base system (which is less than 10MB) 2014-12-11 14:34:20 how about: A 2014-12-11 14:34:20 container requires no more that 10 MB and a minimal installation to disk 2014-12-11 14:34:20 requires around 130 MB of storage. Not only do you get a fully-fledged 2014-12-11 14:34:20 Linux environment but a wealth of packages from the repository. 2014-12-11 14:34:25 repositories 2014-12-11 14:36:26 like this? http://sprunge.us/dMWP 2014-12-11 14:38:38 alpine so far has only one official package repository AFAICT, so I'm not sure about using plural form 2014-12-11 14:41:04 are there any plans for supporting user-provided repositories? e.g. google's google-chrome repository (like in case of debian) 2014-12-11 14:42:02 (well, I doubt google would do it for alpine yet, as it isn't that well-known distro, but in future, who knows...) 2014-12-11 14:42:20 yes, we need do something there 2014-12-11 14:42:34 basically, you can create your own aports tree to build your own repo 2014-12-11 14:42:49 and distribute your pub key 2014-12-11 14:43:26 been thinking of doing something about that but dont know how or what 2014-12-11 14:43:31 maybe something like AUR 2014-12-11 14:43:33 or PPA 2014-12-11 14:43:50 i would also like to split the aports tree somehow 2014-12-11 14:44:16 I somehow don't like AUR 2014-12-11 14:44:22 something like ubuntus main and universe 2014-12-11 14:44:34 the whole idea of using separate tools to handle it seems broken to me 2014-12-11 14:44:35 where we have some repo that we provide longer supert 2014-12-11 14:44:48 support* 2014-12-11 14:45:16 well, the idea i'm after is letting users provide packages 2014-12-11 14:45:23 PPA is nice because of its automatic builds 2014-12-11 14:45:33 having something like that would be great 2014-12-11 14:46:52 (or maybe automatic builds weren't in PPA? haven't used it from the dev side actually, so maybe I'm mixing it with something else) 2014-12-11 14:49:30 how dependency solver works when there are many repos (official one and some others) with different versions of software? 2014-12-11 14:49:55 I ask about current Alpine way of things. 2014-12-11 14:52:27 it'll try pick the newest version available 2014-12-11 14:53:33 better? http://sprunge.us/WPXW 2014-12-11 14:54:03 i'd like squeeze in PaX in the "secure" paragraph too 2014-12-11 14:54:56 maybe do it by simply changing grsecurity to grsecurity/PaX? 2014-12-11 14:55:44 http://sprunge.us/IcBC 2014-12-11 14:55:48 good idea 2014-12-11 14:55:53 it's true that PaX is part of grsecurity, but mentioning it explicitly does not harm, and I've already seen that kind of notation, i.e. grsecurity/PaX 2014-12-11 14:56:00 yeah 2014-12-11 14:56:32 imho its PaX thats the most interesting part 2014-12-11 14:57:08 The kernel is grsecurity/PaX-patched 2014-12-11 14:57:43 maybe: The kernel is patched with grsecurity/PaX, and all userland binaries... 2014-12-11 14:59:57 maybe: The kernel is patched with grsecurity/PaX out of the box? (it emphasizes that it's not that common thing) 2014-12-11 15:09:32 Alpine doesn't use xattr-based pax ctl yet? 2014-12-11 15:10:29 no, not yet 2014-12-11 15:11:17 xattr-way is so much cleaner 2014-12-11 15:12:01 yes 2014-12-11 15:12:15 it was in the plans, but got delayed do to various things 2014-12-11 15:12:48 i have it almost working in my dev-tree; but it's not all finished yet. mostly some apk-tools parts are still needed 2014-12-11 15:13:20 hoping to get it in edge after the dust settles from toolchain update explosion... ;) 2014-12-11 15:13:30 ttyl 2014-12-11 15:15:18 one general question: what kind of software upgrades within Alpine are acceptable for minor distro releases? 2014-12-11 15:16:38 the idea is that you should be able to do 'apk upgrade' in stable branch without need to change anything in your current config 2014-12-11 15:16:54 and without being afraid that things will break for you 2014-12-11 15:17:06 so basically, fixes only 2014-12-11 15:17:59 but it happens that we do exceptions if we are sure that it will not break anything for current users 2014-12-11 15:22:10 "with Position Independent Executables" 2014-12-11 15:22:13 any more thought about asciidoc? 2014-12-11 15:22:27 shoudl probably be: "as Position Independend Executables" 2014-12-11 15:22:35 ScrumpyJack: nope, not yet 2014-12-11 15:31:51 i ask as lxc has broken docs in 3.1 and fixing it requires docbook2x to conert docbook to man pages which requires perl, mew perl modules and an internet connection!! and the reminded me of asciidoc 2014-12-11 15:33:08 perhaps there is a doc format that doesn't require perl/python etc 2014-12-11 15:34:10 markdown :) 2014-12-11 15:34:37 unfortunally markdown is not good enought for man pages 2014-12-11 15:34:40 so upgrading stand-alone apps is rather no problem for minor alpine rel, but libraries needs to be upgraded more intently. is bumping libs ABI even acceptable for non-major alpine rel? 2014-12-11 15:34:52 yes, markdown is so limited it's actually sad 2014-12-11 15:35:19 bumbing ABI is not acceptable 2014-12-11 15:35:43 i think i have done some exception once 2014-12-11 15:36:36 http://wwwtest.alpinelinux.org/about/ 2014-12-11 15:36:42 I'm thinking about ffmpeg for instance and its rdeps in Alpine, there are not many of them. 2014-12-11 15:37:01 i think maybe ffmpeg was the thing i did exception for 2014-12-11 15:37:07 once 2014-12-11 15:37:35 in generally, ABI bump is not acceptable for minor releases 2014-12-11 15:37:56 ABI bumps are only acceptable for 'edge', git master 2014-12-11 15:38:55 ok, ok, I got the message, just thinking loudly ;) 2014-12-11 15:39:39 commonmark.org fixes some markdown corner cases and strives for common behavior between implementers, but it doesn't fix markdown own shortcommings, which make it poor choice for more complex technical docs 2014-12-11 15:39:48 "This makes it ideal for containers and diskless systems." <- i find this limiting. alpine is great for other stuff too :) 2014-12-11 15:40:29 "This makes it ideal for anything, but you won't run it on your toaster. Feel free to prove us wrong." FTFY 2014-12-11 15:41:29 what cpu archs does alpine's libc support? Ain't it musl these days? 2014-12-11 15:41:44 yes 2014-12-11 15:42:03 archs are x86 and arm 2014-12-11 15:42:21 x86, x86_64 and arm hardfloat 2014-12-11 15:42:40 musl itself supports more archs 2014-12-11 15:43:57 including mips 2014-12-11 15:44:23 ncopa: it would be nice to have some text about each iso build 2014-12-11 15:44:42 alpine-mips would be soo cool 2014-12-11 15:44:48 BTW is it armv6 or armv7? I'm not sure I've seen it mentioned anywhere. 2014-12-11 15:45:15 I'd assume it is v7 2014-12-11 15:45:25 ah, it's RPi, so it's armv6+VFP, right? 2014-12-11 15:45:49 i think we build for armv6 2014-12-11 15:46:32 RPi is not your usually armhf build, as it would be armv7 2014-12-11 15:47:46 so calling it armhf is kind of wrong 2014-12-11 15:48:21 at least differs from what other distros like debian do 2014-12-11 15:54:30 ScrumpyJack: http://sprunge.us/gjdG 2014-12-11 15:54:32 ok? 2014-12-11 15:56:21 Alpine's about page seems to be the most heavily worked on page ;) 2014-12-11 15:57:27 aka bikeschedding 2014-12-11 15:57:53 ask about how to do apk-tools resolving and no opinion :) 2014-12-11 15:58:42 I'm not that clever :) 2014-12-11 15:58:45 but apparently many have thought on what alpine is, and want to contribute 2014-12-11 15:58:54 which is good 2014-12-11 15:59:12 what do you want alpine to be? 2014-12-11 15:59:27 a linux distro 2014-12-11 15:59:33 not the mail program 2014-12-11 15:59:40 :) 2014-12-11 16:00:40 lol 2014-12-11 16:00:47 but you can have alpine in alpine and write there about alpine 2014-12-11 16:00:51 inception 2014-12-11 16:01:02 *alpineception 2014-12-11 16:01:16 *alpinism 2014-12-11 16:02:54 is planned a "screenshots" page? 2014-12-11 16:03:10 it would be nice 2014-12-11 16:03:27 not until there are any good screenshots available 2014-12-11 16:03:30 screenshots on man pages 2014-12-11 16:03:33 :3 2014-12-11 16:03:44 do we still need apkbootstrap? (well,I love debootstrap on debian, so handy) it could just install minimal alpine. ;) 2014-12-11 16:04:08 i think so yes 2014-12-11 16:04:15 ok gotta go 2014-12-11 16:04:17 see u 2014-12-11 16:34:15 got to go all, have fun! 2014-12-11 18:34:09 hey, im having problems compiling my own c source code, lots of linker errors. is there a workaround for this? 2014-12-11 18:40:33 what c libraries are you linking against? alpine linux is linked against musl libc, so perhaps you may have to do some tweaking 2014-12-11 18:42:01 kahiru, pastebin the errors? 2014-12-11 18:46:08 dalias, http://pastie.org/private/jbvzwrtlzfh0uw9wtrw1a 2014-12-11 18:46:24 what is the difference between standard, mini, and vanilla? 2014-12-11 18:51:08 kahiru, i think you're just missing the package 2014-12-11 18:51:18 dalias, which one? 2014-12-11 18:51:20 apk add musl-dev (and dev packages for any other libs you use) 2014-12-11 18:55:19 ah, didnt know this. now im getting 'cannot find: -lgcc_s'. damn, im used to gcc working out of the box 2014-12-11 18:57:01 libgcc_s.so should be provided by the gcc package 2014-12-11 18:58:05 gotcha 2014-12-11 18:58:10 dalias++ 2014-12-11 18:59:35 and yeah it's a little unconventional having to manually install some dev packages for gcc to even basically work, but imo it's less annoying than the debian situation where installing one package installs 20 other unrelated and optional things you have no use for :) 2014-12-11 19:02:48 yeah, debian (and derivatives) is terrible about this 2014-12-11 19:05:26 anyone here tried the new release on rpi? 2014-12-11 20:27:36 it's not debian at fault, some package maintainers are and sometimes default dep solver 2014-12-11 20:28:06 well installing "recommends" and "suggests" by default are debian problems 2014-12-11 20:28:45 but the actual dependency load is largely an upstream issue too and hard for distros to solve 2014-12-11 20:29:05 it wasnt that bad in other distributions 2014-12-11 20:29:59 debian has largest software base, so it's easy to find any kind of deviations there and in higher scale than in other distros 2014-12-11 20:31:03 it's funny though, when by default attempt to install mercurial informs you that X will be also installed ;) 2014-12-11 20:31:30 (or was it in ubuntu, not sure know...) 2014-12-11 20:31:36 s/know/now/ damn 2014-12-11 20:31:42 too late, too tired 2014-12-11 20:32:21 BTW alpine dev/users are mostly from Europe? 2014-12-11 20:33:12 seems like it 2014-12-11 20:33:17 that would explain the name 2014-12-11 20:33:38 what about the name? 2014-12-11 20:35:37 alpine == 'mountainy things' is not standard english? 2014-12-11 20:35:40 theres a mountain range called alps and $stuff from there is called alpine $stuff 2014-12-11 20:35:50 ah ok 2014-12-11 20:36:07 the word alpine is specifically associated with the alps 2014-12-11 20:36:26 but the dist name was originally an acronym 2014-12-11 20:36:32 for what? 2014-12-11 20:37:05 i forget, something like "a linux powered ____ network engine" 2014-12-11 20:37:07 iirc 2014-12-11 20:38:55 it could be: advanced linux providing impeccably neat experience 2014-12-11 20:43:49 now it's just a name 2014-12-11 20:44:27 i tend to prefer names that "can be read as" acronyms but aren't officially so 2014-12-11 20:44:30 as with musl 2014-12-11 20:45:43 don't remember musl in expanded form, what was it? 2014-12-11 20:47:16 I noticed some time ago that musl-libc.org is somehow quite often down 2014-12-11 20:50:51 right now our vps host is experiencing some connectivity problems it seems 2014-12-11 20:50:59 i'll check it out 2014-12-11 20:51:22 it was down 10h ago as well 2014-12-11 20:51:40 but it got better quickly 2014-12-11 21:09:02 is migrating from iptables to alpinewall (or how its called) difficult? 2014-12-11 21:14:14 what do you run alpine on? 2014-12-11 21:20:55 I, for instance, don't run it yet, but will do on my new home server GA-J1900N-D3V + KVR13S9S8/4 + WD10JFCX (+ IX-01B-90W), that is tested only lately (memtest86+ now). I'm considering running it from usb and making the disk one whole /home partition. ;) 2014-12-11 21:22:19 wouldnt you be worried about life expectancy of the usb? 2014-12-11 21:23:08 considering it won't be that much updated, I'm not sure it's a problem 2014-12-11 21:24:39 and alpine is quite small, on top of that 2014-12-11 21:30:07 I would like to have truly read-only base, so I guess I will need to merge overlayfs patch, which since 3.18 is thankfully in mainline finally (as overlay, to avoid collision with "old" format). 2014-12-11 21:33:16 is overlayfs faster (or whatever) than aufs? 2014-12-11 21:39:19 it's simpler, thus possibly a bit more efficient too (I didn't perform any benchmark), but it has some things needing improvements. check Non-standard behavior in http://lxr.free-electrons.com/source/Documentation/filesystems/overlayfs.txt 2014-12-11 21:39:22 oh, alpine's wget can't into https? 2014-12-11 21:42:19 I think by default it uses busybox's wget 2014-12-11 21:42:34 and you can install the "real" wget via apk 2014-12-11 21:49:05 ah 2014-12-11 21:51:54 I don't think there is a need for scarce quote there, because real wget is wget from wget package indeed 2014-12-11 22:08:25 :) 2014-12-11 22:11:24 ":)" 2014-12-11 22:17:29 overlayfs's behavior is really badly nonstandard 2014-12-11 22:17:36 like opening a file for write changes its identity 2014-12-11 22:17:48 and already-open handles on the file won't see your changes 2014-12-11 22:18:04 basically open-for-write is equivalent to unlink-and-recreate 2014-12-11 22:20:33 dalias: in fact you often want to atomically update file, so in many cases (like config update) it's acceptable or even desired. 2014-12-11 22:21:09 but I agree it's not good for all cases 2014-12-11 22:22:55 lots of things that would be acceptable or even desired in a vaccuum aren't either when there's an existing interface contract that says otherwise 2014-12-11 22:23:24 opening an existing file for O_RDWR or O_WRONLY is supposed to modify the file that's there and expose those changes to other users of the file 2014-12-11 22:23:29 not fork a new file 2014-12-11 22:28:36 sure, it's non-POSIX, but this behavior breakage is still ok for instance for bin+etc updates (which I guess will be when it will be used mostly). I'm not saying overlay is great, but it's already usable, so I can understand why they merged it even if it is not polished. 2014-12-11 22:28:55 s/when/where/ 2014-12-11 22:31:15 note: overlayfs is probably fine as-is for read-only (or essentially read-only, i.e. not intended to be written at runtime) filesystems 2014-12-11 22:34:31 if there is no copy_up, then there is obviously no st_dev+st_ino change 2014-12-11 22:35:02 *nod* 2014-12-11 22:35:20 still files in the same dir having mismatching st_dev is "wrong"... 2014-12-12 00:11:28 btw, are there any experiences how much traffic is generated by an alpine mirror? 2014-12-12 07:27:15 On an install of the most recent Alpine/Xen CD I found that /usr/bin/pygrub is a broken link. 2014-12-12 07:27:18 Also hello. 2014-12-12 07:29:31 Nvm just realized I had to 'apk add py-xen' 2014-12-12 08:55:06 I bump jomat's question out of curiosity, but I guess it can vary quite wildly between particular mirrors: are there any experiences how much traffic is generated by an alpine mirror? 2014-12-12 09:07:44 thx :-) 2014-12-12 09:08:55 if anybody also needs this answer: my local mirror is 188G in size :-) 2014-12-12 09:13:52 and alpine supposed to be minimal... 2014-12-12 09:18:15 Morning all! 2014-12-12 09:45:01 jomat: I was curious about this high value, so I connected with lftp to ftp://mirror.yandex.ru/mirrors/alpine/ and invoked du -hs. 163G 2014-12-12 09:49:24 v3.1 alone is 19G 2014-12-12 09:51:27 lots of stuff three architectures 2014-12-12 09:51:42 try how much fedora or ubuntu dist mirror uses... ;) 2014-12-12 09:53:04 right, but somehow I expected lower values 2014-12-12 09:53:50 for such a minimal distro, that is ;) 2014-12-12 09:54:43 3 arch and >3 version 2014-12-12 09:55:20 minimal distro, but with a lots of packages :P 2014-12-12 09:56:51 well, many or even plenty if you insist, but rather not a lot of 2014-12-12 10:24:56 it's minimal as a typical installation uses less than 100 MB :-) 2014-12-12 10:26:15 real life examples: my nameserver: 64 MiB in 50 packages 2014-12-12 10:26:38 xmpp-server: 93 MiB in 69 packages 2014-12-12 10:26:56 db-server: 67 MiB in 43 packages 2014-12-12 10:27:27 gateway: 134 MiB in 68 packages 2014-12-12 10:27:47 recursor: 43 MiB in 44 packages 2014-12-12 10:27:59 try that with debian :-) 2014-12-12 10:29:11 I know it's minimal not in term of its mirrors (but I really didn't expect them to be that big), just joking. 2014-12-12 10:29:16 and nice examples 2014-12-12 10:29:32 yeah, debian is a bit bigger in its "minimal" form 2014-12-12 10:31:22 I remember something with some 100 MBs 2014-12-12 10:31:32 300? 500? sth. like that 2014-12-12 10:50:35 jomat, http://www.turnkeylinux.org/core 147MB iso , for base apps 2014-12-12 10:51:12 less if you remove webmin 2014-12-12 10:53:37 oh, my other nameserver still runs debian, 610 MiB for all installed packages 2014-12-12 10:55:15 vkrishn: but the packages on the iso are compressed, aren't they? 2014-12-12 10:58:24 I have not checked, but guess most are using squashfs these days 2014-12-12 11:38:53 lxc is failing for me on arch 2014-12-12 11:39:01 Determining the latest release... failed 2014-12-12 11:39:01 Failed to download a valid static apk 2014-12-12 11:48:13 release=$($wget $url/.latest.$apk_arch.txt 2014-12-12 11:48:25 this doesn't seem to exist on any mirrors 2014-12-12 12:26:40 how to get `man git log` ? 2014-12-12 12:26:45 tried, apk add man git-doc gzip git-manpages 2014-12-12 12:26:45 apk add bzip2 coreutils gzip 2014-12-12 12:26:52 but may be missing something 2014-12-12 12:28:08 ok man git-log 2014-12-12 12:28:54 possibly busybox's man doesn't support spaces in pages names 2014-12-12 12:41:55 /usr/bin/man git log, same 2014-12-12 12:42:07 after doing `apk add man` 2014-12-12 12:44:58 huh... for what reason is the immutable bit is set on /boot/ldlinux.sys? 2014-12-12 12:49:17 it's because alpine has man instead of man-db. 2014-12-12 12:49:36 but you won't read it, because you're not here, vkrishn ;) 2014-12-12 12:51:23 just for reference: http://git.savannah.gnu.org/cgit/man-db.git/tree/FAQ Why use man-db instead of man? 2014-12-12 12:53:01 maybe alpine could switch to man-db. 2014-12-12 12:53:15 we have mdocml-man too 2014-12-12 13:00:25 so there is wrapper script, I see 2014-12-12 13:01:25 but why it's named mdocml-mandoc instead of simply mandoc, as they call them themselves? 2014-12-12 13:01:55 s/-mandoc/-man/ 2014-12-12 13:13:43 dunno, we just added it as a subpackage 2014-12-12 13:13:45 btw 2014-12-12 13:13:55 i got email from them about pretesting of next release 2014-12-12 13:14:20 if anybody is interested in testing it before they make new release, please let me know 2014-12-12 13:14:27 and i'll forward the email 2014-12-12 13:17:22 oh 2014-12-12 13:17:36 1.13 actully have integrated implementation of man(1) 2014-12-12 13:17:58 http://mdocml.bsd.lv/ChangeLog 2014-12-12 14:08:20 fixed webpage to work even better on small screens: http://wwwtest.alpinelinux.org 2014-12-12 14:19:42 I still get the same error when I goto alpinelinux.org/packages 2014-12-12 14:21:12 issue #3619 ? 2014-12-12 14:21:25 http://bugs.alpinelinux.org/issues/3619 2014-12-12 14:22:30 #3619 2014-12-12 14:22:39 yup, bot doesn't work 2014-12-12 14:22:48 yup 2014-12-12 14:22:50 its broke 2014-12-12 14:22:57 dead bot :( 2014-12-12 14:23:22 botched 2014-12-12 14:23:23 and #3619 does not include the info that gives the hint for the solution 2014-12-12 14:23:37 ScrumpyJack: no, the bot i just lazy 2014-12-12 14:23:47 algitbot: please behave 2014-12-12 14:24:36 anyway, i just installed 4 esxi hypervisors on top of alpine-xen. i have a vsphere on one headless box thanks to alpinelinux (and xen:) 2014-12-12 14:25:24 esxi on top of xen, nested virt? 2014-12-12 14:25:29 yup 2014-12-12 14:25:32 ncopa: if you want any particular details re that issue, I may try to provide some 2014-12-12 14:25:39 works like a dream 2014-12-12 14:25:47 I thought it wasn't working in the past, I mean esxi on top of xen 2014-12-12 14:26:31 alpine-dom0-2:~# xl list 2014-12-12 14:26:31 Name ID Mem VCPUs State Time(s) 2014-12-12 14:26:34 Domain-0 0 7474 8 r----- 394.0 2014-12-12 14:26:37 esxi-3 9 2048 2 -b---- 42.1 2014-12-12 14:26:40 esxi-2 10 2048 2 -b---- 39.9 2014-12-12 14:26:43 esxi-1 11 2048 2 -b---- 39.4 2014-12-12 14:26:46 esxi-4 12 2048 2 -b---- 40.7 2014-12-12 14:26:49 works for me :) 2014-12-12 14:26:51 Yep, I tried IE 11, firefox 34, chrome 39, even on different computer, win 7 and win 8 2014-12-12 14:27:15 ScrumpyJack: how much ram is that whole computer? 2014-12-12 14:27:21 it's not a proof, anyone can name vm esxi :) but we believe you 2014-12-12 14:27:38 16Gb (add the mem colomn) 2014-12-12 14:28:03 why would you want run esxi in xen? 2014-12-12 14:28:24 i need a vsphere to test stuff 2014-12-12 14:28:37 why is domain 0 so high? 2014-12-12 14:28:41 deployments onto a vsphere 2014-12-12 14:28:53 ah 2014-12-12 14:28:55 makes sense 2014-12-12 14:29:01 Frosh: high in Mem? 2014-12-12 14:29:07 heh 2014-12-12 14:29:11 thats pretty cool 2014-12-12 14:29:13 yea, I allocate like 700mb 2014-12-12 14:29:32 i give it all and just let it ballon down as needed 2014-12-12 14:29:41 balloon even 2014-12-12 14:30:29 also because i want to run LXC from dom0 (but that might not be a good idea) 2014-12-12 14:30:58 it's ridiculous that management needs its own hypervisor, but what you won't do for more money... 2014-12-12 14:32:30 the cloud 2014-12-12 14:32:39 i mean 2014-12-12 14:32:51 everyone rents server space from someone 2014-12-12 14:33:06 in the end they all end up in ScrumpyJack's box 2014-12-12 14:33:12 for proof http://st.ilet.to/esx-in-xen.png :0 2014-12-12 14:33:24 /o\ 2014-12-12 14:33:48 after upgrading to 3.1 "ip link add veth_bar type veth peer name veth_foo" doesn't work anymore here :-( 2014-12-12 14:33:58 because: ip: RTNETLINK answers: File exists 2014-12-12 14:34:04 but it doesnt... 2014-12-12 14:34:16 przemoc: what do you mean? 2014-12-12 14:37:48 sorry, I wrongly put it, I meant additional vm that you need to run their web-based management solution and the whole idea of abandoning snappy desktop application in favor of that slow web thing 2014-12-12 14:38:45 the snappy desktop application was MS Windows only wansn't it? 2014-12-12 14:40:04 ok, don't remember whether it was working from wine, but the whole idea of replacing apps with 10x crappier web apps is not sitting well in me, sorry 2014-12-12 14:40:36 no no, agreed. and you need flash and blah blah. 2014-12-12 14:41:01 i'm looking for something better 2014-12-12 14:41:31 hense the vsphere on alpine-xen 2014-12-12 14:41:43 xen alone is not good enough for you? 2014-12-12 14:42:16 that's not up to me - i'm at work :) 2014-12-12 14:42:24 heavy use of vsphere 2014-12-12 14:42:29 ok, stupid question 2014-12-12 14:43:52 but whenever i can find and excuse to use alpine and alpine-xen ... :) 2014-12-12 14:45:12 IIRC esxi couldn't run itself, so xen has upper hand here 2014-12-12 14:47:18 right, off home. have a good weekend all 2014-12-12 14:47:34 w/o alpine 2014-12-12 14:47:35 ;) 2014-12-12 14:48:00 is anyone already using lxc with alpine 3.1? 2014-12-12 14:48:12 jomat: i do 2014-12-12 14:48:26 ncopa: Do you use veth devices with custom names? 2014-12-12 14:49:06 lxc.network.type = veth and lxc.network.name = veth_foo 2014-12-12 14:49:12 that seems to make problems here 2014-12-12 14:49:29 on 2 different machines 2014-12-12 14:49:41 one fresh 3.1 and one upgraded 3.0 -> 3.1 2014-12-12 14:50:06 i dont use that no 2014-12-12 14:50:27 ok ... perhaps it's the lxc.network.veth.pair, too 2014-12-12 15:02:49 ncopa: 404 here and there now 2014-12-12 15:04:39 ip link add type veth;ip link set veth0 name foo;ip link set veth1 name bar <- could be a dirty workaround :-/ 2014-12-12 15:05:43 przemoc: here and where? 2014-12-12 15:06:13 /packages /forum 2014-12-12 15:06:19 example? 2014-12-12 15:07:13 you want exact headers? 2014-12-12 15:07:19 exact url 2014-12-12 15:07:23 http://alpinelinux.org/packages/ 2014-12-12 15:07:47 i moved all drupal site to forum.alpinelinux.org 2014-12-12 15:08:03 so it should now be http://forum.alpinelinux.org/packages 2014-12-12 15:08:16 ah, ok, misread your message in redmine mail 2014-12-12 15:08:19 sorry 2014-12-12 15:09:15 yeah, it's working there 2014-12-12 15:10:04 you could add 302 (or 301?) for their old addresses 2014-12-12 15:13:11 ACTION is leaving work now and won't be present today 2014-12-12 15:17:42 przemoc: have a nice weekend 2014-12-12 15:18:45 yeah, changig lxc.network.type to phys and adding the interface pairs with those above 3 steps works again... but it isn't pretty.... just in case someone else stumbles over this problem 2014-12-12 15:21:17 ... and brings lots of other problems :-/ 2014-12-12 15:24:24 ... problems like "jomat locks himself out from his physical hardware and now has to try to escape from a container" :-D 2014-12-12 15:31:36 fortunately there runs a failsafe cronjob which reinitializes the physical nic on the pysical host if the gateway is down 2014-12-12 15:43:14 hmm 404 visitting https://alpinelinux.org (worked previously) 2014-12-12 15:43:39 http version loads with the nice new page 2014-12-12 15:49:15 maxp: should be fixed now 2014-12-12 15:49:47 looks good! 2014-12-12 15:50:42 got some help to make it look good on small screens too 2014-12-12 15:54:31 very cool, will check it out on my cell later, I like the new design 2014-12-12 15:56:36 ok its weekend 2014-12-12 15:56:40 have a nice weekend everyone 2014-12-12 15:59:47 o/ 2014-12-12 15:59:49 nice weekend :-) 2014-12-12 17:26:23 hey 2014-12-12 20:13:55 hello, im installing the last alpine-xen iso, i cant launch hvm domU, error in lib_xl_create.c.. cat /proc/cpuinfo ==> no virtualisation flags, any tips about debuging info are welcome 2014-12-12 20:20:08 Hi 2014-12-12 20:20:10 I just installed 3.1, then install postgresql, then I /etcinit.d/postgresql setup, then rc-update add postgresql default, but not initiates after reboot, the same goes for mysql, hiawatha, php-fpm, some issue? any suggestions 2014-12-12 20:21:59 rc-update indicates that services were added 2014-12-12 20:22:55 the problem does not happen in 3.0 2014-12-12 20:23:14 sorry for my bad English 2014-12-12 20:29:20 vitronic you used 'sys' mode during installation from 3.1 ? 2014-12-12 20:32:07 crow, of course 2014-12-12 20:33:18 after restart I have to lift the demons manually 2014-12-12 20:33:35 and rc-update indicates that services were added 2014-12-12 21:50:19 then i dont have a clue, 2014-12-12 21:50:46 you tried to start manual the commandline in services file to see if it start at all? 2014-12-12 21:52:06 do they start if you just run "rc"? 2014-12-12 21:56:15 /etc/init.d/postgresql start running, but if you restart the system does not start 2014-12-12 21:56:43 and I have to do it manually 2014-12-12 21:57:36 rc-status does not list the services you've added 2014-12-12 21:58:37 cixsrv:~# rc-update add postgresql default 2014-12-12 21:58:37 * service postgresql added to runlevel default 2014-12-12 22:00:50 executed a rc-status and is not listed 2014-12-12 22:01:25 that happens with any demon who attempt to add 2014-12-12 22:01:41 any1 who know insyde bios firmware? suduntly (after cpu fan change) vtx is disable and of course no bios related menu dunno what to do 2014-12-12 22:25:58 ncopa, I found a bug in the 3.1 related to rc, after making a necessarily have to make a , otherwise the change is not saved 2014-12-12 22:27:18 I presume it's a bug because this behavior does not happen in 3.0 2014-12-12 22:28:39 crow jomat thanks for the help, solve with 2014-12-12 22:29:22 I also will report on the redmine 2014-12-12 23:25:35 ok, my veth problem seems to be busybox related 2014-12-12 23:25:56 doesn't happen with iproute2 installed 2014-12-12 23:51:09 how to start dbus? 2014-12-13 00:06:18 turn dkey 2014-12-13 00:06:31 `service dbus start` maybe? 2014-12-13 00:07:25 ncl, WHOOT!!! "Starting D-BUS........ 2014-12-13 00:08:38 ncl++ 2014-12-13 00:09:25 :> 2014-12-13 18:29:22 any flashcache user around that could tell me their settings? 2014-12-13 18:30:45 i'm using it in a vm host and so far (lru mode) i see almost no read hits, meaning i only get the bad effects of flashcache and less of the good ones 2014-12-14 03:12:39 ncopa, just noticed alpine isn't mentioned on dropbear's list of distros using it 2014-12-14 03:12:44 ncopa, might want to ask to get it added 2014-12-14 03:13:16 imo dropbear users are ppl who might be interested in alpine 2014-12-14 12:00:39 hi 2014-12-14 12:00:49 I am using x11 forwarding for virt-manager 2014-12-14 12:00:57 but I do not have any pictures 2014-12-14 12:01:06 http://fs1.directupload.net/images/141214/5g82iodi.png 2014-12-14 12:01:09 what do I miss? 2014-12-14 12:18:27 hey there... is it possible to use the stable or mainline kernel-branch too? 2014-12-14 13:09:56 mirac you can use linux-vanilla kernel insted of the grsec 2014-12-14 13:11:07 crow: but there is just the longterm-support kernel available right? 2014-12-14 13:27:32 mirac you can check it at: http://forum.alpinelinux.org/packages 2014-12-14 13:27:44 3.14.26-r0 2014-12-14 13:28:05 you can check linux-vanilla APKGBUILD and try to fit your need and compile yourself 2014-12-14 13:29:12 http://git.alpinelinux.org/cgit/aports/tree/main/linux-vanilla 2014-12-14 13:29:41 this wiki is explining how to do it 2014-12-14 13:29:41 http://wiki.alpinelinux.org/wiki/Creating_an_Alpine_package 2014-12-14 13:30:03 i do it on virtuell box or vmware workstation and compile packages there 2014-12-14 13:31:38 okey thank you 2014-12-14 13:34:05 are there some inoffical apkg repos ? 2014-12-14 13:34:36 i just think about switching to alpine on my 9 year old macbook pro 2014-12-14 13:35:26 i want to run mac-os-x in kvm-quemu which should work since linux 3.15 2014-12-14 13:38:48 Someone tested qemu-system-x86_64?! 2014-12-14 13:38:51 its not working 2014-12-14 13:38:55 Error relocating /usr/bin/qemu-system-x86_64: libusb_alloc_streams: symbol not found Error relocating /usr/bin/qemu-system-x86_64: libusb_transfer_set_stream_id: symbol not found Error relocating /usr/bin/qemu-system-x86_64: libusb_free_streams: symbol not found 2014-12-14 13:40:55 I had the ame problem 2014-12-14 13:41:09 has to apk add libusb even if it is already installed 2014-12-14 13:41:42 shafire: it upgrades the lib 2014-12-14 13:42:12 # apk add libusb (1/2) Installing libusb (1.0.19-r0) (2/2) Purging libusbx (1.0.17-r2) 2014-12-14 13:42:16 hm ok 2014-12-14 13:43:35 thanks! 2014-12-14 13:43:41 ;) 2014-12-14 13:45:47 why was libusb not automatically updated? 2014-12-14 13:49:07 shafire maybe missing as depencies, you can create bug report. 2014-12-14 14:06:04 shafire: can you post your flashcache sysctls for me some time? 2014-12-14 14:09:26 darkfader: do you know, how I can get them? 2014-12-14 14:09:59 sysctl -a | grep flash 2014-12-14 14:12:48 looks not good, just restarted 15min ago after 100 days :( 2014-12-14 14:32:13 hehe 2014-12-14 14:33:13 http://hastebin.com/eroraxeqah.avrasm 2014-12-14 14:33:19 those are the settings i'm testing now 2014-12-14 14:33:25 i also blacklisted one storage vm 2014-12-14 14:33:46 but not sure if the blacklisting really worked, i still see the ssd led flash a lot 2014-12-14 14:34:00 and i wonder if using the -w create option would have been smart 2014-12-14 14:34:07 so it doesn't cache on reads 2014-12-14 14:34:18 because sometimes it just slows everything down :( 2014-12-14 14:47:15 I am using X11 over ssh forwarding, this is so cool :-) 2014-12-14 14:49:22 virt-manager 2014-12-14 15:01:37 read hit: 2% 2014-12-14 15:02:23 if i don't find a way to get it in the 70% range i'll really need to go buy a cachecade key for my controller 2014-12-14 15:02:49 tells a lot about software defined storage if it's shit and the stuff the hw engineers built rocks. 2014-12-14 15:03:12 but right now i still hope it's just an issue of the missing blacklist 2014-12-14 15:08:42 aw. 2014-12-14 15:08:43 Size Hist: 512:3131279 1024:866617 1536:182458 2048:184011 2560:22698 3072:602669 3584:2866036 4096:516307670 2014-12-14 15:08:55 most of the io is still shit-aligned by xen 2014-12-14 15:09:00 really need to update 2014-12-14 15:34:15 darkfader: do you use 3.1 or 3.0? 2014-12-14 15:35:11 3.0.6 2014-12-14 15:35:15 thus the idea to update 2014-12-14 15:35:39 I use kernel from 3.0.6 with 3.1 2014-12-14 15:36:51 why? 2014-12-14 15:39:20 for 3.1 I need to build an own iso with flashcache 2014-12-14 15:39:31 and put on my usb disk 2014-12-14 15:39:44 ugh 2014-12-14 17:24:23 "apk search xterm" = no terminal?? 2014-12-14 17:47:01 Are the samba packages maintained? 2014-12-14 17:50:44 @john280x - use lxterminal 2014-12-14 17:53:41 BitL0G1c, thanks! 2014-12-14 17:53:48 BitL0G1c++ 2014-12-14 17:53:57 @BurnZez - samba is the latest version 4.1.14 2014-12-14 17:54:09 (apk info samba) 2014-12-14 17:59:21 @john280z - there is also gnome-terminal ('apk search term') 2014-12-14 18:00:34 or use urxvt :-) 2014-12-14 18:18:11 lxterminal is fine(small, light) 2014-12-14 18:21:45 xterm really should be packaged 2014-12-14 18:21:52 it's one of the best 2014-12-14 18:21:59 lxterminal is crap 2014-12-14 18:22:04 urxvt is so-so 2014-12-14 18:47:07 what you have against urxvt? it can even run daemonized (AFAIK no other X terminal support such mode), so it takes even less resources when many terminals are displayed 2014-12-14 19:03:48 lol, my terminal is not what consumes most of my system resources, even when I'm running dozens 2014-12-14 19:03:57 especially when I'm running dozens 2014-12-14 19:04:01 dalias, I agree, xterm should be packaged, it is much lighter than lxterminal 2014-12-14 20:07:46 i remember when xterm was considered bloat 2014-12-14 20:07:56 it still is compared to st 2014-12-14 20:08:09 but then we had a few gbytes less of ram and ... no gnome 2014-12-14 20:15:26 this way of thinking is what often leads to software being slower and bigger each year, as we have faster PCs with more GBs of mem, so we don't have to care about doing things sanely and efficiently, because if it works it's already plenty and good enough. 2014-12-14 20:15:35 many people still don't use gnome (me included) 2014-12-14 21:42:11 przemoc: yes. i just meant to say it's interesting how xterm changed from a bloated terminal to a lightweight one simply by others getting much, much worse 2014-12-14 21:42:44 and this (not trying to figure what someone else means) is the typical issue of sw engineering. 2014-12-14 21:43:19 makes me wanna go and get a job where i deal with normal non-IT people once a week 2014-12-14 21:47:59 Greetings, all 2014-12-15 02:08:34 has anybody done unprivileged lxc containers in Alpine? 2014-12-15 02:39:32 how easy would it be to switch to a vanilla kernel 2014-12-15 03:15:11 j2h2: there's a vanilla linux package in the repos afaik 2014-12-15 03:15:19 or it might have been only sources 2014-12-15 03:21:49 you guys run apline as a desktop or server? 2014-12-15 03:23:14 dradec, as a server is just beautiful 2014-12-15 03:23:46 vitronic: thanks for the feedback :) 2014-12-15 03:24:12 desk, I think it lacks some things 2014-12-15 03:25:00 dradec, no problem 2014-12-15 03:33:46 Cool, thanks. I'm just trying out LXC containers 2014-12-15 03:36:20 ..and linuxcontainers.org is down 2014-12-15 03:37:48 Also, the vanilla iso won't boot. The path to the kernel doesn't exist 2014-12-15 07:27:31 dalias: i sent an email to dropbear maintainer. thanks! 2014-12-15 07:37:04 ncopa, excuse my intrusion, is there a problem with dropbear ? 2014-12-15 07:40:15 just that alpine isn't mentioned in the list of distros using dropbear :) 2014-12-15 10:23:04 Good Day Everyone 2014-12-15 10:52:20 ncopa: ping 2014-12-15 10:52:35 about #3621 2014-12-15 11:39:00 Hi! Where can I get a list of packaged applications for alpine linux? (the ARM version) 2014-12-15 11:39:29 this is broken: http://alpinelinux.org/packages 2014-12-15 11:42:30 @samae - http://nl.alpinelinux.org/alpine/v3.1/main/armhf/ is the 'main' repo for ARM packages 2014-12-15 11:43:00 also testing available here: http://nl.alpinelinux.org/alpine/v3.1/testing/armhf/ 2014-12-15 12:24:49 samae this work to http://forum.alpinelinux.org/packages 2014-12-15 12:57:27 thx ginjachris & crow 2014-12-15 13:28:56 ScrumpyJack: pong 2014-12-15 13:29:17 imho, its a low prio since you can google the manpages 2014-12-15 13:29:39 the fix is likely to find or build the package providing docbook2x 2014-12-15 13:38:06 i already did that. packages needed were 2014-12-15 13:38:07 docbook2x 2014-12-15 13:38:07 perl-xml-sax 2014-12-15 13:38:07 perl-xml-sax-base 2014-12-15 13:38:07 perl-xml-namespacesupport 2014-12-15 13:38:34 but although my docbook2x package built ok, i think it's broken 2014-12-15 13:39:13 lxc builds fine, it's just the parsing of the docs by my docbook2x that fails. 2014-12-15 13:41:10 i get this http://sprunge.us/hQVN 2014-12-15 13:42:54 annoyingly docbook2x tries to download files 2014-12-15 13:46:07 definitions 2014-12-15 14:09:22 by the way, is anyone using saltstack with alpine? Is there a pkg provider for apk? 2014-12-15 14:32:28 ScrumpyJack: try install local xml, docbook-xml 2014-12-15 14:45:10 ncopa: same issue 2014-12-15 14:46:01 i think the idea is that it should be able to find the docbook-xml locally 2014-12-15 14:46:14 that fails then for some reason 2014-12-15 15:28:45 why doesn't alpine-linux have a desktop version? straight off with xfce http://wiki.alpinelinux.org/wiki/XFCE_Setup 2014-12-15 15:36:32 i think that is because the setup scripts don't automatically detect the graphics chipset used, so installing the correct xf86 video drivers is still a manual process. there may be other reasons :) 2014-12-15 15:43:46 Frosh, we are working on this ? 2014-12-15 15:43:53 oops s/?/!/ 2014-12-15 15:56:29 o cool 2014-12-15 18:12:49 Hey, how can I put alpinelinux on my raspberrypi? 2014-12-15 18:13:27 I prepared my sdcard with 1 ext4 partition with boot flags and I untarred all the files there. But it doesn't seem to do much 2014-12-15 18:13:29 … 2014-12-15 18:29:40 hi samae 2014-12-15 18:30:06 copying the files won't work 2014-12-15 18:30:18 do you know the device name of your sdcard? 2014-12-15 18:30:59 mmcblkp0 ? 2014-12-15 18:31:04 ok cool 2014-12-15 18:32:23 ignore me, i'm talking rubbish about the copy, hang on a sec 2014-12-15 18:32:30 lol ok 2014-12-15 18:34:56 i was stuck in dd land 2014-12-15 18:35:50 so yeah, just copy the stuff over. i had a problem when did my first alpinelinux sd card. trying to remember. it was only last week 2014-12-15 18:40:12 ok, your SD card partition needs to be vfat 2014-12-15 18:40:17 ScrumpyJack: copying it over didn't do the trick, it is not booting 2014-12-15 18:40:21 oh ! 2014-12-15 18:40:39 you mean 90MB of vfat to hold the tarball? 2014-12-15 18:40:51 *the contents of the tarball 2014-12-15 18:41:13 just make the whole SD card one vfat partition for now 2014-12-15 18:41:19 and then I can create another partition next to it ? 2014-12-15 18:41:21 ok 2014-12-15 18:41:38 trying that (and doing the laundry at the same time : /( 2014-12-15 18:41:40 ) 2014-12-15 18:41:40 let's get it working forst :) 2014-12-15 18:52:54 copying… 2014-12-15 18:54:00 booting ! 2014-12-15 18:54:08 my ethernet port lit up, this is good 2014-12-15 18:54:10 : ) 2014-12-15 18:57:08 fabled disabled the frankly disturbing startup multicoloured splash screen 2014-12-15 18:59:05 if you want it back - remove disable_splash=1 from the config.txt file 2014-12-15 18:59:14 er, I'm headless 2014-12-15 19:00:12 Isn't it dhcping around ? 2014-12-15 19:00:33 is ssh running 2014-12-15 19:01:21 probalby not, you'll need a console on the GPIO 2014-12-15 19:02:14 you configure it the same way as other alpinelinux, by running setup-alpine 2014-12-15 19:06:36 arg :/ I must get a console then 2014-12-15 19:07:31 so TV? 2014-12-15 19:07:39 no TV even? 2014-12-15 19:07:39 nope, no TV 2014-12-15 19:08:10 hmmm, I don't have anything that has an hdmi plug 2014-12-15 19:08:19 I'll ask the flatmate then ^^ 2014-12-15 19:10:50 nope, he's full thunderbolt : ( 2014-12-15 19:11:17 if not, let me know and I'll send you a tgz with DHCP 2014-12-15 19:12:51 well, I'd like that please, that'd be awesome 2014-12-15 19:13:12 I don't have anything to build a usb-serial cable atm : / 2014-12-15 19:31:35 ScrumpyJack: is it baking? 2014-12-15 19:37:06 oh sorry. i can't do that until tomorrow :( 2014-12-15 19:37:17 that's quite alright : ) 2014-12-15 19:37:55 no pb, is there some instruction about how to do that? Or even start it in qemu? 2014-12-15 19:39:23 it's rpi specific, so it won't work in qemu 2014-12-15 19:39:23 for instance, what's the init lauched when booting from the sdcard? 2014-12-15 19:39:33 oh… ok 2014-12-15 19:40:32 well, I'll play with the x86 version until tomorrow then : > 2014-12-15 19:41:38 if you just want to play, and you have another distro, i'd recommend lxc. there is a template for alpinelinux that comes with lxc 2014-12-15 19:41:52 on docker? 2014-12-15 19:41:58 on lxc 2014-12-15 19:42:02 ok 2014-12-15 19:42:15 what distro are you using? 2014-12-15 19:43:07 arch 2014-12-15 19:43:22 pacman -Ssy lxc 2014-12-15 19:43:59 ok done 2014-12-15 19:44:56 lxc-create -n alpine -t /usr/share/lxc/templates/lxc-alpine 2014-12-15 19:44:59 lxc-create -n guest1 -f /etc/lxc/lxc.conf -t alpine ? 2014-12-15 19:45:06 almost ! 2014-12-15 19:46:19 Failed to download a valid static apk : / 2014-12-15 19:46:34 ok, open /usr/share/lxc/templates/lxc-alpine in vi 2014-12-15 19:46:51 ok 2014-12-15 19:47:31 comment out release=$($wget $url/.latest.$apk_arch.txt 2014-12-15 19:47:49 and cut -d " " -f 3 | cut -d / -f 1 | uniq) 2014-12-15 19:48:21 and add release=v3.1 just after what you've commented out 2014-12-15 19:48:52 lxc-create -n alpine -t /usr/share/lxc/templates/lxc-alpine again 2014-12-15 19:49:30 seems to download 2014-12-15 19:49:32 : > 2014-12-15 19:50:08 done 2014-12-15 19:50:12 once that's done, lxc-start -n alpine -d 2014-12-15 19:50:35 then lxc-console -n alpine 2014-12-15 19:50:44 should get you to the login prompt 2014-12-15 19:51:00 log in as root, and run setup-alpine 2014-12-15 19:52:26 lxc_container: lxc_start.c: main: 296 Executing '/sbin/init' with no configuration file may crash the host 2014-12-15 19:52:27 you'll need to setup bridging if you want internets 2014-12-15 19:57:38 have you got a bridge between your archlinux host interface and the lxc guest? 2014-12-15 19:57:54 nope, I suck with networking 2014-12-15 20:01:23 pacman -Ssy bridge-utils 2014-12-15 20:01:31 already installed 2014-12-15 20:02:16 http://wiki.alpinelinux.org/wiki/LXC#Prepare_network_on_host 2014-12-15 20:02:32 thx 2014-12-15 20:03:20 run st.ilet.to/bridge 2014-12-15 20:04:23 ok 2014-12-15 20:05:23 put st.ilet.to/default.conf in /etc/lxc/default.conf 2014-12-15 20:05:47 then delete and recreate that alpine container 2014-12-15 20:08:31 recreating 2014-12-15 20:12:13 run setup-alpine once connected to the console 2014-12-15 20:13:30 er 2014-12-15 20:16:21 go on 2014-12-15 20:23:05 re 2014-12-15 20:23:28 sorry, it trashed my network interfaces and I had to reboot 2014-12-15 20:24:13 ScrumpyJack: thank you a lot for your help! 2014-12-15 20:24:32 I think I'm done for now, I'll give it a try later 2014-12-15 20:25:08 ok - 2014-12-15 20:37:16 i'll write something up 2014-12-15 20:52:15 this is the sort of thing you want st.ilet.to/bridge 2014-12-15 23:57:24 hi, can you point me the right direction to run 32bit domU from alpine-xen iso plz? 2014-12-16 00:01:08 probably north 2014-12-16 00:03:56 so i should take my coat 2014-12-16 00:04:57 quite 2014-12-16 00:05:23 but if you are running domU, you should use regular alpine, not alpine-xen 2014-12-16 00:05:26 alpine-xen is for dom0 2014-12-16 00:06:13 dom0 = alpine xen, domU = micro core initramfs + 32bit kernel (for building purpose) 2014-12-16 00:13:55 im looking for kernel config in tiny web site to check xen support (which i guess is enable) i thaught (naively) 64bit dom0 to 32bit domU wouldnt be a pb (dunno much about xen) 2014-12-16 00:14:25 should be fine, check xen.org wiki, they probably have info on running x86 inside amd64 2014-12-16 07:44:07 hi guys 2014-12-16 07:44:14 /gals 2014-12-16 08:29:37 samae: you about? 2014-12-16 08:30:07 samae: pm me when you have a moment 2014-12-16 09:33:27 ScrumpyJack: no, sorry, not available yet. I'll be home after work in about 9h 2014-12-16 09:33:40 I'll pm you then 2014-12-16 13:12:59 when I "apk add" i see: 1 errors; ... MiB in ... packages 2014-12-16 13:13:18 where can I check what this error is related to? 2014-12-16 13:19:56 apk fix 2014-12-16 13:24:13 Still no python 3? 2014-12-16 13:28:35 Frosh: in testing i think 2014-12-16 13:28:49 we should port all py-* to python3 2014-12-16 13:29:57 kaniini: there were some important py-* packages that was not ported to python3 some time ago 2014-12-16 13:30:08 do you remember which it was and do you know the status there? 2014-12-16 13:35:41 ncopa: i have been running python3 for a while on my freebsd machines 2014-12-16 13:35:51 ncopa: everything important seems to be there now 2014-12-16 13:36:14 ok thanks 2014-12-16 13:37:40 contentious issue, though: should `python` refer to p3 or p2 by default? :) 2014-12-16 13:38:58 some stubborn distros insist on p3, and it breaks sad amount of breakage (poorly written build scripts, hello google) 2014-12-16 13:44:45 p2! 2014-12-16 13:44:53 p3 is a failed academic experiment. 2014-12-16 13:56:13 katu: good question 2014-12-16 13:56:33 i dunno the answer 2014-12-16 14:36:30 p3 is the future 2014-12-16 17:14:55 katu: after using a distro that defaults python to python3 my answer would be not to have python in $PATH at all 2014-12-16 17:22:38 stupid question incoming: i'm a bit fed up with whatever i'm using on my desktop and laptop, so am thinking switching to alpine with ubuntu in lxc for binary crap. how good is that going to work? anyone using similar setup? i've been running alpine only in a vm before. 2014-12-16 17:27:01 ovf: :)))) 2014-12-16 17:27:40 ovf: also, i'm using that setup 2014-12-16 17:27:44 with debian, though 2014-12-16 17:30:37 how much effort does it take to get x11 with dri etc.? 2014-12-16 17:30:54 incidentally, where is the packages search on the new site? 2014-12-16 17:32:38 ovf: minor pita to compile proprietary nvidia driver. one needs to run linux vanilla w/o grsec 2014-12-16 17:33:06 i meant, from inside lxc 2014-12-16 17:33:13 but generally the usual diy. the rest is just exporting devices in lxc container 2014-12-16 17:34:09 (never had issue with that, the thing is just basically whitelist) 2014-12-16 17:35:11 out of dev - xorg and alsa with no problems. its not exactly secure, more like just fancy chroot for two systems to coexist 2014-12-16 17:43:13 katu: cool, thanks 2014-12-16 19:00:07 ScrumpyJack: hey ! 2014-12-16 22:29:58 ovf: http://forum.alpinelinux.org/packages/ is current home of package browser 2014-12-16 22:30:22 you can search there via filter 2014-12-16 22:32:07 thanks! probably should be linked from home page 2014-12-16 22:33:43 I suggested making 302 at old URL, but apparently ncopa was too busy or it simply slipped his mind 2014-12-16 22:46:16 fcolista: thanks for nanomsg apk, but sadly I still didn't have time to play with alpine. I hope to get to it finally this month (and in worst case next month), then I'll surely reply in #3632. 2014-12-17 03:31:43 does anyone have openvpn server/client config 2014-12-17 03:31:46 experience 2014-12-17 03:31:54 I am failing my TLS handshake as far as I know 2014-12-17 03:32:03 i have saved a log file with VERB 9 2014-12-17 03:32:53 and as far as I can tell I have all of my configs done correctly 2014-12-17 06:44:40 Hi 2014-12-17 06:44:43 Is there a manual to help with some packages I've compiled and do not exist in alpine? 2014-12-17 06:54:42 vitronic, yes 2014-12-17 06:54:51 one sec 2014-12-17 06:55:15 oks systmkor 2014-12-17 06:55:16 vitronic, this is for the most part complete http://wiki.alpinelinux.org/wiki/Creating_an_Alpine_package 2014-12-17 06:55:41 also I would recommend looking at the aports repo to make sure you are getting it right 2014-12-17 06:59:01 systmkor, I cloned the repository aports, but I built some packages that do not exist in alpine, an example is lusca, php-rrd and some more 2014-12-17 06:59:36 awesome 2014-12-17 06:59:49 so you are going to want to put those in the testing/ directory of aports 2014-12-17 07:00:01 and once you have double checked that they are correct 2014-12-17 07:00:21 you'll want to make a commit for each package I believe 2014-12-17 07:00:24 put in necessary info 2014-12-17 07:00:30 and do a git-send-email as instructed in wiki 2014-12-17 07:00:38 besides that, I would like to contribute as a developer, I have experience in the field 2014-12-17 07:00:58 vitronic, I am not any sort of official person for Alpine 2014-12-17 07:01:13 ncopa, as far as I know is one of the main persons for Alpine 2014-12-17 07:01:28 vitronic, I also am trying to contribute as a developer 2014-12-17 07:01:39 I am working on porting nix package manager to go-lang 2014-12-17 07:01:45 though it may just turn into a fork 2014-12-17 07:02:15 systmkor, No problem, just looking for information, the project I like and want to help 2014-12-17 07:03:16 vitronic, same :D 2014-12-17 07:05:02 vitronic, one thing I think would be cool for Alpine is to provide a suite of nice lxc-containers that are tested to work for the system 2014-12-17 07:05:17 vitronic, especially common GUI attack vector programs 2014-12-17 07:05:40 e.g. Chrome, Chromium, Firefox, PDF readers, Claws (email), Thunderbird 2014-12-17 07:06:04 :-0 2014-12-17 07:06:06 fantastic 2014-12-17 07:06:33 so you would have critical programs sandboxed at a kernel level and file-system level 2014-12-17 07:07:08 systmkor, I, long ago, develop VENENUX, but now I'm more focused on networking systems 2014-12-17 07:08:09 economic problems in my country forced me to stop the project 2014-12-17 07:09:26 vitronic, that sucks 2014-12-17 07:09:41 I now spent developing OSs dedicated, and now I'm doing one for WISPs, alpine has done a great job 2014-12-17 07:10:04 vitronic, Distrowatch said that Venenux is a South American country 2014-12-17 07:10:12 could you tell me your timezone 2014-12-17 07:10:22 I am Pacific Standard 2014-12-17 07:10:33 -4:30 2014-12-17 07:10:40 a lot of the other developers are in Europe so usually this channel is emtpy for me when I am on 2014-12-17 07:11:09 :-D 2014-12-17 07:11:36 Here are the 2:41 a.m. 2014-12-17 07:12:02 11 for me 2014-12-17 07:12:13 I usually work at dawn, for in the day my children will not let me 2014-12-17 07:13:06 vitronic: familier schedule : > 2014-12-17 07:14:14 :-D 2014-12-17 07:15:03 if, in addition also usually work in the day, after 15:00 2014-12-17 07:15:23 sweet 2014-12-17 07:15:44 here it's 08:15 am, and it's time to run to work : / 2014-12-17 07:16:12 hey excuse my bad English, but I'm from Venezuela, and only speak Spanish 2014-12-17 07:16:44 generally use a translator for this 2014-12-17 07:17:22 samae, Luck! 2014-12-17 07:17:36 vitronic, no problem 2014-12-17 07:17:54 thanks vitronic, same to you, for tomorrow : ) 2014-12-17 07:18:27 vitronic, what sorts of development would you like to do? 2014-12-17 07:21:56 systmkor, I would keep some applications, I really like the APKBUILD, I am also very good with php, sql , bash etc. 2014-12-17 08:01:31 hi 2014-12-17 08:02:05 ncopa, o7 2014-12-17 08:03:25 bien venido, vitronic 2014-12-17 08:03:42 ncopa, gracias 2014-12-17 08:05:41 ncopa, http://bugs.alpinelinux.org/issues/3639 2014-12-17 08:06:01 yeah 2014-12-17 08:06:06 i think its a dupe 2014-12-17 08:06:51 hopefully not a false positive 2014-12-17 08:07:06 no, its a real issue 2014-12-17 08:07:09 and its a real bug 2014-12-17 08:07:47 its same as #3470 2014-12-17 08:08:05 ok, you think? has a short-term solution? 2014-12-17 08:08:38 you can type 'YES' instead of 'yes' 2014-12-17 08:08:41 with uppercase 2014-12-17 08:09:51 I'll see 2014-12-17 08:09:56 but the segfault is a real bug 2014-12-17 08:10:59 as mentioned in http://bugs.alpinelinux.org/issues/3470 it should give: "Command failed with code 22: Invalid argument" 2014-12-17 08:11:21 Are you sure? (Type uppercase yes): YES 2014-12-17 08:11:27 Command successful. 2014-12-17 08:11:30 ummm 2014-12-17 08:11:47 I feel like an idiot 2014-12-17 08:11:51 it happens when you enter anything except YES 2014-12-17 08:11:52 no 2014-12-17 08:12:00 its a real issue 2014-12-17 08:12:03 and you are not the first 2014-12-17 08:12:12 ACTION It feels like an idiot 2014-12-17 08:12:57 had already compiled MUSL, and was preparing a chrrot 2014-12-17 08:13:39 ncopa, Thanks for the tip, I'll take it into account in future 2014-12-17 08:13:53 the segfault is stil a bug that we need to fix 2014-12-17 08:15:24 Are you sure? (Type uppercase yes): asfd 2014-12-17 08:15:24 Segmentation fault (core dumped) 2014-12-17 08:16:20 cryptsetup is problem or musl? 2014-12-17 08:16:36 not sure, but i'd guess its cryptsetup 2014-12-17 08:17:03 it is usually the application that makes wrong assumptions 2014-12-17 08:19:22 is what supposed, but was not sure 2014-12-17 08:20:25 I found a couple of bugs more, but I will review best before publishing 2014-12-17 08:21:48 ok, i think i found the issue with cryptsetup 2014-12-17 08:22:01 surely the biggest mistake in my case, is the dark man that is in front of the monitor 2014-12-17 08:22:30 :-D 2014-12-17 08:22:33 :) 2014-12-17 08:22:54 ok, i think i found the issue with cryptsetup <-- ?? 2014-12-17 08:23:01 yup 2014-12-17 08:23:20 if (!error[0]) { 2014-12-17 08:23:20 error_ = strerror_r(-errcode, error, sizeof(error)); 2014-12-17 08:23:21 if (error_ != error) { 2014-12-17 08:23:21 strncpy(error, error_, sizeof(error)); 2014-12-17 08:23:21 error[sizeof(error) - 1] = '\0'; 2014-12-17 08:23:21 } 2014-12-17 08:23:23 } 2014-12-17 08:24:03 it looks like they assume that strerror_r returns a char 2014-12-17 08:24:09 http://linux.die.net/man/3/strerror_r 2014-12-17 08:24:26 but there are 2 different versions of strerror_r: 2014-12-17 08:24:30 int strerror_r(int errnum, char *buf, size_t buflen); 2014-12-17 08:24:30 /* XSI-compliant */ 2014-12-17 08:24:36 char *strerror_r(int errnum, char *buf, size_t buflen); 2014-12-17 08:24:36 /* GNU-specific */ 2014-12-17 08:25:27 i think for some reason the end up with the GNU specific version when compiling cryptsetup on gnu libc 2014-12-17 08:25:36 but on musl they dont 2014-12-17 08:26:53 ncopa, you're very fast 2014-12-17 08:27:21 oh, in fact, looks like musl does not even implement the char *strerror_r variant 2014-12-17 08:27:41 *nod* 2014-12-17 08:27:43 it is what I thought 2014-12-17 08:27:52 musl does not implement gnu functions that conflict with a standard function by the same name 2014-12-17 08:28:10 which ofcourse is the only sane thing to do :) 2014-12-17 08:28:15 one solution is just using strerror() 2014-12-17 08:28:36 :) 2014-12-17 08:28:50 which is threadsafe? 2014-12-17 08:29:00 need check if they need threadsafe or not 2014-12-17 08:29:11 sadly, not guaranteed 2014-12-17 08:29:17 musl's is guaranteed to be thread-safe 2014-12-17 08:29:21 but it's not portable to assume 2014-12-17 08:29:29 however this is a decent solution for local patches 2014-12-17 08:29:38 right 2014-12-17 08:29:45 i want report upstream too 2014-12-17 08:30:12 the standards allow strerror to be non-thread-safe because of idiotic implementations that do things like writing "Unknown error %d" to a static buffer 2014-12-17 08:30:21 rather than always returning an immutable string 2014-12-17 08:35:40 ncopa, I did the APKBUILD of lusca, php-rrd, qmail, and some more, I will study and upload them to the repo, I am very interested to collaborate, because I'm working with alpine past couple of months ago in a major project in my region 2014-12-17 08:35:54 ok 2014-12-17 08:36:13 nice 2014-12-17 08:36:23 vitronic: do you have experience with git? 2014-12-17 08:37:02 There is some protocol to become active developer? 2014-12-17 08:37:19 ncopa, of course 2014-12-17 08:38:36 good 2014-12-17 08:39:20 basically, send patches if you want them reviewed 2014-12-17 08:40:12 once you are familar with how the APKBUILD and commits should be, you can have an external git repo which I can pull from 2014-12-17 08:41:13 Perfect, I will study and I'll upload my contributions soon 2014-12-17 08:41:23 once you have proven to be stable (eg we believe that you will stay for a long time) and you have showed to be a person that can work in a team, we will consider to give you git push access 2014-12-17 08:42:17 APKBUILD is actually very easy, no traumas as the rules of debian 2014-12-17 08:42:34 you can also if you want do quick and trivial commits do: apk add sprunge; git format-patch --stdout -1 | sprunge 2014-12-17 08:42:39 and paste the url here in IRC 2014-12-17 08:42:52 :) 2014-12-17 08:43:05 i think APKBUILD has its own set of traumas 2014-12-17 08:43:12 ncopa, if it's what I thought, is the most reasonable 2014-12-17 08:43:15 hopefully not as many 2014-12-17 08:47:01 I'll try 2014-12-17 08:56:14 ncopa, only one test http://sprunge.us/PdQe 2014-12-17 08:56:18 php-rrd 2014-12-17 09:14:23 ACTION goes to sleep 2014-12-17 09:14:46 Greetings to all 2014-12-17 09:20:03 vitronic: looks good 2014-12-17 09:26:00 vitronic: I cleaned it up a bit: http://sprunge.us/baji 2014-12-17 09:26:13 and did a minor microoptimization by removing the rrd.ini file 2014-12-17 09:49:01 it's all this alpine-devel chat :) 2014-12-17 16:56:45 Does someone has a compiled version of http://git.alpinelinux.org/cgit/aports/plain/unmaintained/pulseaudio/ ready? 2014-12-17 17:11:48 hmmm, ok, it crashed my raspberrypi : / 2014-12-17 17:15:59 ncopa, http://sprunge.us/SSMA 2014-12-17 19:53:41 Is there some pointers on how to run alpine armhf in a VM? 2014-12-17 19:54:36 i'd guess the qemu wiki page applies to armhf too 2014-12-17 19:55:43 i want to run it on real hardware :) 2014-12-17 19:55:48 but i still haven't gotten mine setup 2014-12-17 20:04:32 dalias, should not be difficult 2014-12-17 20:05:14 I'm hoping to buy http://www.amazon.com/Radxa-Quad-core-Single-board-Computer-Supported/dp/B00NJL4ZTY/ref=sr_1_5?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1417417228&sr=1-5&keywords=banana+pi 2014-12-17 20:05:30 i have a dragonboard that was donated for development 2014-12-17 20:06:11 but in my country is very complex purchasing dollar 2014-12-17 20:06:52 I have to wait next year to buy the $ 300 that sells the state annually 2014-12-17 20:07:12 so you can buy 2014-12-17 20:08:00 dalias> i have a dragonboard that was donated for development <-- that's great 2014-12-17 20:08:43 such behavior here is a dream 2014-12-17 20:29:07 where do I put scripts I want to run on boot? 2014-12-17 20:30:41 j2h2: http://wiki.alpinelinux.org/wiki/Alpine_local_backup#Execute_a_script_as_part_of_a_backup 2014-12-17 20:45:42 samae: That link looks to be more about backups, I'm interested in running on boot. 2014-12-17 20:47:55 my bad, I thought this was intended to be executed at boot. 2014-12-17 20:48:58 they you should use rc-update to add a service to be launched at boot 2014-12-17 20:49:28 and as you want to run a script, you should create a service for it, I suppose 2014-12-17 20:50:49 you could look at /etc/init.d/ to see some examples 2014-12-17 20:56:54 yeah, but is there anything rc.local? 2014-12-17 20:58:58 I dunno about that 2014-12-17 20:59:12 thanks anyway 2014-12-17 21:04:21 Found something here: http://bugs.alpinelinux.org/issues/172. Led me to /etc/local.d, which seems to be openrc's way of startup scripts (http://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Local.d) 2014-12-17 21:34:26 hi, could anyone tell me how to "init" inside lxc-container wich contains alpine-linux ... so network is set ? 2014-12-17 22:02:58 @foobar_lxc - rc-service networking start 2014-12-17 22:03:19 @foobar_lxc - rc-update add networking default 2014-12-17 23:15:58 ncopa, package lusca http://sprunge.us/IHVT 2014-12-17 23:17:53 ncopa, check the format and let me know of any errors, I would like to improve as much as possible 2014-12-18 03:35:15 ncopa: Alpine 3.1.0 has his error : http://hastebin.com/oqamotesiq.sm , I use to be able to create domu :( 2014-12-18 03:45:57 Don't think I'm doing anything differently than before. 2014-12-18 08:14:46 ncopa: ping 2014-12-18 08:15:07 ncopa: who maintains the mailing lists? 2014-12-18 09:04:46 ScrumpyJack: infra team 2014-12-18 09:05:19 Frosh: does dmesg give any hints? 2014-12-18 09:05:27 there is an infra *team*? :) 2014-12-18 09:06:34 there should be at least :-/ 2014-12-18 09:20:28 quick apk question 2014-12-18 09:21:24 apk search shows same packages multiple times. how do i clean that up? 2014-12-18 09:21:39 i only have one repo 2014-12-18 09:44:40 which repo is it? a local repo? 2014-12-18 09:44:54 is it same package different versions? 2014-12-18 09:45:10 it could be it lists the installed package and the build package you have in repo 2014-12-18 09:45:23 if internal checksum is not identical apk will think its different pkg 2014-12-18 09:54:07 this is on a edge build box 2014-12-18 09:54:29 repo is http://nl.alpinelinux.org/alpine/edge/main 2014-12-18 09:55:02 http://sprunge.us/CDUU 2014-12-18 09:55:40 apk search boost | grep t-1.56 | wc -l -> 17 ! 2014-12-18 09:56:40 i have deleted apkindex and run apk update but no change 2014-12-18 10:07:18 clandmet1r: Assuming you wrote this patch: http://git.alpinelinux.org/cgit/aports/commit/main/btrfs-progs/musl-compat.patch?id=32cbca3231fa46ccf05eb8ef94adb2f973292990 ; I also fixed the musl builds of btrfs-progs recently, and I'm submitting at least the include changes (similar to yours) upstream 2014-12-18 10:07:45 So I am wondering if I should suggest the patch (as linked just now) upstream as well 2014-12-18 10:21:11 It doesn't seem to be required, for btrfs-progs to function; at least form e. 2014-12-18 10:21:14 for me* 2014-12-18 11:48:12 ncopa : http://pastebin.com/Fkh8eX7U when I look at before and after, looks like nothing changed so if you have anyplace you want me to check. 2014-12-18 11:50:14 I updated to 3.1.0, I didn't do a fresh install 2014-12-18 12:10:43 Frosh: how do you create the domU? 2014-12-18 13:44:05 xl create -c somefile.cfg 2014-12-18 13:44:25 let me just check the syntax hasn't updated 2014-12-18 13:44:34 but i've use the same file all the time 2014-12-18 13:45:00 should work. can we see your guest config file? 2014-12-18 13:49:23 gtg :( 2014-12-18 15:49:18 ScrumpyJack: that shouldn't be the issue because it worked before, but I'll post it, when I can get back in. 2014-12-18 23:07:33 What is the recommended way to setup alpine on a raspberry pi? I've extracted the tar.gz to a fat32 partition on an SD card, but when I boot the temp, root file system is mounted as read only. Anyone know how it should be configured so changes persist over reboots? 2014-12-19 02:36:24 what cflags does alpine use to compile? 2014-12-19 02:43:21 here is the default abuild.conf: http://sprunge.us/PHAK 2014-12-19 02:43:33 looks like -Os -fomit-frame-pointer 2014-12-19 04:49:53 ncopa or ScrumpyJack : http://pastebin.com/dWLMWGUL xl create -c that file, shouldn't be a syntax issue unless new xen parses what use to work differently. 2014-12-19 05:16:22 Could it be because I upgraded from xen 4.3 to xen 4.4 and didn't restart? or is there a way to restart xen without stopping my current running domU? 2014-12-19 05:24:47 Is there a way to use aports as a replacement for apk? assuming no binary packages are available for the platform in question 2014-12-19 08:05:42 Frosh: yes i think you need reboot the hypervisor 2014-12-19 08:05:54 but i'm no xen expert 2014-12-19 08:06:22 ncopa, hi o7 2014-12-19 08:06:25 hi 2014-12-19 08:06:37 buenos dias vitronic 2014-12-19 08:07:13 ncopa, saludos 2014-12-19 08:07:30 do you speak Spanish ? 2014-12-19 08:10:26 algunas veces 2014-12-19 08:10:36 Some days ago i published two packs here 2014-12-19 08:10:57 it is blenc and lusca 2014-12-19 08:11:40 php-blenc* and lusca 2014-12-19 08:12:29 although unintentionally done by adding a unreliable sources for lusca 2014-12-19 08:13:10 then add the official sources to APKBUILD 2014-12-19 08:14:08 maybe you should join #alpine-devel channel 2014-12-19 08:14:20 we better take this there 2014-12-19 08:14:43 at a time when the I repost, not if it is of interest to alpine 2014-12-19 08:15:14 i did push the php-rrd package 2014-12-19 08:15:54 you are right, lately I'm feeling stupid too often 2014-12-19 08:16:50 than good, that product is widely used with php 2014-12-19 08:17:04 :D 2014-12-19 08:17:24 for managing data bases rrdtool 2014-12-19 08:18:52 you should put your package in a subdirectory testing//* 2014-12-19 08:19:08 although I think you have some guilt for not inviting me to publish packages in the development channel :-D 2014-12-19 08:19:14 so lusca patch should be in testing/lusca/APKBUILD 2014-12-19 10:13:17 what command is the equivalent of Debian's "logout" in Alpine? 2014-12-19 10:43:59 trvz, I use to type CTRL + D... I never realized that there is no logout in AL! cool 2014-12-19 10:44:15 do you really need a command or CTRL + D is good enough? 2014-12-19 10:45:52 "exit" should work (even in bash on Debian) 2014-12-19 10:46:33 dne, this is what we can call: small and simple! :) 2014-12-19 11:12:13 ctrl+d is good. thanks :) 2014-12-19 11:13:26 and just looked, exit works 2014-12-19 11:19:24 rebooting work, awesome 2014-12-19 13:24:24 Have I mention how awesome alpine linux is? 2014-12-19 13:27:22 Frosh, hehe btw... 2014-12-19 13:27:42 MATE is about to be applied to testing/ repository 2014-12-19 13:37:17 Is there a way to request python3, mongodb packages :D 2014-12-19 13:39:11 bugs.al.o 2014-12-19 13:39:29 mongodb was already requested 2014-12-19 13:39:42 I saw an open ticket on bugs.al.o 2014-12-19 13:39:53 about mongodb 2014-12-19 14:32:45 Frosh: we have python3 in edge/testing i think 2014-12-19 14:33:14 i hope we an get full python3 for alpine v3.2 2014-12-19 14:33:34 yes, please :D 2014-12-19 17:09:41 I think it rewrote my grub menu for the ram allocated, preferred if it didn't do that part :D 2014-12-19 21:10:27 I'm trying to create an account on the wiki but I'm apparently doing something wrong as after I push the "Create Account" button I just get a white page and then if I try to login I'm told my username does not exist 2014-12-19 21:11:23 is the wiki signup broken or is there another way I have to sign up? 2014-12-19 21:12:13 wiki signup says to "please select just the cat photos in the box below" but I do not see any box or any cat photos... 2014-12-20 11:16:04 Does someone know what's the holdup with pulseaudio? Or where I can get the answer? 2014-12-20 11:20:22 pulseaudio is a poettering abomination. why infect beautiful alpine with such warts? 2014-12-20 11:23:46 hi there, what is the best way for creating new entry for syslinux (chainloading bootloader from other partition), so that after upgrading kernel or syslinux entries from extlinux.conf doesn't vanish? 2014-12-20 11:34:22 i'll be back later, if someone has solution, please mail me: ptmelville@gmail.com 2014-12-20 12:07:43 tvvdhSL5hEBn: : ) Well, some may argue that linux is a torvald abomination… 2014-12-20 12:07:59 But I'm not here to feed the troll : p 2014-12-20 12:09:13 I mean, I'm looking for technical reasons. I suppose no one will prevent me to build it and run it on alpine if I want to 2014-12-20 12:43:26 what exactly is it that needs pulseaudio and cannot be done with proper tools? 2014-12-20 13:03:52 tvvdhSL5hEBn: network sound device. It's so easy to do with pulseaudio 2014-12-20 13:04:36 one reason not inherent to pulseaudio itself is that it's default on many distro 2014-12-20 13:18:55 mhm... looking at /sbin/update-extlinux files from /etc/update-syslinux.d/ are just copied into /boot/extlinux.conf 2014-12-20 13:19:50 very easy to add new boot entry, if someone is looking for similar solution 2014-12-20 13:20:06 now time to check it 2014-12-20 14:53:23 samae: there's proper alternatives with jackd. 2014-12-20 14:55:36 which is in alpine. http://jackaudio.org/faq/netjack.html 2014-12-20 15:51:17 tvvdhSL5hEBn: if you have resources about that, I'm eager to learn 2014-12-20 16:37:08 Is this still the way to create a domu, what goes in kernel and ramdisk? 2014-12-20 16:37:11 http://wiki.alpinelinux.org/wiki/Create_Alpine_Linux_PV_DomU 2014-12-20 19:34:36 hello folks, anyone knows a way to get only libpq+headers/lib for compilation? don't want to install all dev dependencies 2014-12-20 19:34:56 seems there is no libpq-dev that will give me so+headers+libs for linking 2014-12-22 07:19:03 Don't think this works anymore: http://wiki.alpinelinux.org/wiki/Create_Alpine_Linux_PV_DomU Can someone update for alpine? don't think those kernel and ramdisk settings work 2014-12-22 07:22:51 morning 2014-12-22 07:22:57 Frosh: http://wiki.alpinelinux.org/w/index.php?title=Create_Alpine_Linux_PV_DomU&diff=10240&oldid=10197 2014-12-22 07:23:04 i think that should work 2014-12-22 07:24:02 hmm, gonna try that right now 2014-12-22 07:57:01 ncopa: wonderful, it worked, thanks 2014-12-22 09:58:33 ncopa: i just noticed we don't have libseccomp. any reason why? e.g. qemu's -sandbox does depend on it. but it's goodness in other packages as well. 2014-12-22 10:03:23 tvvdhSL5hEBn: a bit busy now sorry 2014-12-22 10:09:31 no worries, just asking. i guess i'll add it to my repo and play with it. 2014-12-22 14:46:08 Bonjourno! 2014-12-22 14:46:34 bom dia ginjachris 2014-12-22 14:48:08 unless anyone has any objections, I propose a closure of Bug #3623 2014-12-22 15:06:15 closed. 2014-12-22 15:06:16 thanks! 2014-12-22 15:10:10 ncopa: I observed the same behaviour on 3.1 2014-12-22 15:10:20 (rc-update -u) 2014-12-22 15:10:58 I'll install a few alpine servers the next few days, I'll keep my eyes open if it occours again 2014-12-22 15:14:22 thanks 2014-12-22 15:21:31 ok... the new postgres server starts as expected... 2014-12-22 15:22:13 it could be related timestamps 2014-12-22 15:22:28 if you do the rc-update and then time changes 2014-12-22 15:22:41 then openrc might not refresh the cache 2014-12-22 15:52:45 if we can figure out how to replicate the problem, I guess we can re-open the bug and work on a fix. But I couldn't replicate 2014-12-22 15:53:17 ok another one: Feature #1008 2014-12-22 15:53:34 I mentioned mesh wifi networks in an update 2014-12-22 15:53:43 anyone got any interest in mesh networks? 2014-12-22 15:54:24 if we want mesh setup, should this be part of setup-wifi, or would it be better as a separate "setup-mesh" script? 2014-12-22 15:58:06 mesh networking is like cloud computing 2014-12-22 15:58:18 too wide of a buzzword to label concrete things 2014-12-22 15:58:42 ginjachris: what do you have in mind, just ad-hoc wifi with ahcp, or something more involved, like firing up mesh routing protocol daemon? 2014-12-22 15:59:52 802.11s open standard is what I was thinking 2014-12-22 16:00:16 as far as I understand it, that'll be very widely supported and easy to implement 2014-12-22 16:00:31 See https://github.com/cozybit/open80211s/wiki/HOWTO for example 2014-12-22 16:00:40 yup, thats MAC/PHY level mesh, though. 2014-12-22 16:01:00 not sure host needs to do much, its just like adhoc wifi mode 2014-12-22 16:01:08 just a bit smarter, because PHY can do multihop 2014-12-22 16:01:27 yep 2014-12-22 16:01:37 keep it simple and standards compliant 2014-12-22 16:03:25 so just a script to configure softmac 2014-12-22 16:03:53 why not just keep that in setup-wifi? 2014-12-22 16:04:01 i mean its not different than say, wpa_supplicant 2014-12-22 16:04:17 yeah, i would propose to setup mesh with wpa_supplicant 2014-12-22 16:06:52 the script should, in essence, just dump stuff into /etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant.conf and modify /etc/network/interfaces appropriately 2014-12-22 16:07:41 whether mesh or 'standard' wifi 2014-12-22 16:08:00 so I suppose it would make sense to have it as part of setup-wifi script lol 2014-12-22 16:08:08 talking through things is good :) 2014-12-22 16:12:01 ACTION is a very proud rubber duck 2014-12-22 16:12:43 ginjachris: i think its not really important whether its separate script or not, more like, if its so common use case to warrant having shell wizard for it at all 2014-12-22 16:13:20 there are thousands of little niche things like that. maybe one day setup- shell complete will result in need to page scroll through the suggestions :) 2014-12-22 16:14:22 lol, a wizard for the setup- scripts! :D 2014-12-22 16:14:45 well, I dunno, I guess it depends on the community and the Devs 2014-12-22 16:16:15 well, my thoughts are recorded for all enternity on the bug page, and unless I learn C coding it'll be in the hands of someone more clever than I to do something with it 2014-12-22 16:19:34 nah, i mean 2014-12-22 16:19:41 setup- scripts are just wizards 2014-12-22 16:19:50 CLI, but still wizard. skip the forward button, not exactly much choice. 2014-12-22 16:20:15 they double also as nice manuals how to setup things by reading the script, which is imo a very nice approach to teach users how to do more involved stuff 2014-12-22 16:20:22 (assuming the setup script is readable/well commented) 2014-12-22 16:20:59 indeed 2014-12-22 16:21:06 I am afraid I must go 2014-12-22 16:21:09 gotta dasj 2014-12-22 16:21:12 *dash 2014-12-22 16:21:13 but 2014-12-22 16:21:32 here is a non traditional Christams song for your enjoyment: http://grooveshark.com/s/Murder+City+Christmas/38LlqZ?src=5 2014-12-22 16:22:10 We had a problem loading Adobe Flash. You may not have it installed. :( 2014-12-22 16:22:22 noooooo 2014-12-22 16:22:25 you sure dont make it easy for alpine users lol 2014-12-22 16:22:28 there is a html 5 version 2014-12-22 16:22:32 oh? 2014-12-22 16:22:36 need secret url? 2014-12-22 16:23:02 dunno 2014-12-22 16:23:04 looking now 2014-12-22 16:26:12 annoying, doesn't seem to offer a link to html 5 version 2014-12-22 16:26:13 but 2014-12-22 16:26:15 http://html5.grooveshark.com 2014-12-22 16:26:53 then look for "Murder City Christmas" by Twiztid 2014-12-22 16:27:00 might not be to everyone's taste.... 2014-12-22 16:27:01 "Aufgrund unverhältnismäßig hoher Betriebskosten stellt 2014-12-22 16:27:02 Grooveshark den Zugriff aus Deutschland ein." 2014-12-22 16:27:08 lol 2014-12-22 16:27:11 ups, sorry :-D 2014-12-22 16:27:33 it's ok lol 2014-12-22 16:28:26 this'll have to do you: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ud3I3TsofC4 2014-12-22 16:28:45 right I got to go, enough of my nonsense! 2014-12-22 16:28:58 that's "Due to disproportionately high operating costs, Grooveshark is abandoning the access from germany" :-/ 2014-12-22 16:29:07 a happy non-denominational holiday greeting to all ! :) 2014-12-22 16:29:14 thx :-) 2014-12-22 16:29:49 bye all 2014-12-22 22:35:51 Hi, the SHA1 a href's in the download page for 3.1.0 point to the sha256's, not the SHA1s 2014-12-22 22:36:07 (I guess i'm the only person who has bothered to check these since it was released?) 2014-12-22 23:51:52 or they verified either the SHA256 or PGP signatures instead? 2014-12-22 23:53:35 but how can you trust a pgp public key that you received over open channel? 2014-12-22 23:57:30 ideally you could have ncopa in your web of trust :) 2014-12-22 23:58:54 but that would imply we changed public keys physically, verifying our identities using some method 2014-12-23 00:00:42 btw: will someone here be on 31c3 in hamburg these days? 2014-12-23 00:26:42 dne: I did use the sha256/.asc as well, just pointing out the links to the SHA1's point to the SHA256's 2014-12-23 00:35:07 yup, I noticed 2014-12-23 01:08:37 Apk add git or apk add alpine-sdk adds git? Or is the link not git? 2014-12-23 06:59:22 morning 2014-12-23 06:59:35 kyhwana: do you have the exact links? 2014-12-23 07:00:30 found it 2014-12-23 07:00:32 thanks 2014-12-23 07:01:07 ? 2014-12-23 07:01:10 ohright 2014-12-23 07:01:13 great :) 2014-12-23 07:01:17 http://alpinelinux.org/downloads/ 2014-12-23 07:01:22 (Goes to show how often no one actually checks these things) 2014-12-23 07:01:22 first link 2014-12-23 07:01:45 ncopa: it's all of them 2014-12-23 07:01:51 yup 2014-12-23 07:01:54 and i foundt he reason why 2014-12-23 07:01:58 oh? 2014-12-23 07:02:14 and i am about to fix it 2014-12-23 07:02:32 sweet :) 2014-12-23 07:03:55 done! 2014-12-23 07:04:06 thanks for letting me know 2014-12-23 07:04:24 np 2014-12-23 07:04:37 if you are curious what the issues was: http://git.alpinelinux.org/cgit/alpine-mksite/commit/?id=cb2f70d8041c714675981db3f6bcc0000a1ca991 2014-12-23 07:05:28 ahhh right 2014-12-23 07:07:36 stupid copy/paste bug 2014-12-23 07:09:30 maybe its me, but is git suppose to work after apk add git? 2014-12-23 07:10:02 yes? 2014-12-23 07:10:07 what is the exact error message? 2014-12-23 07:11:09 when I try to git config --global user.name "Frosh" -ash: git: not found 2014-12-23 07:11:20 I was trying to follow http://wiki.alpinelinux.org/wiki/Creating_an_Alpine_package 2014-12-23 07:11:24 which git 2014-12-23 07:11:32 run: which git 2014-12-23 07:11:38 should give you /usr/bin/git 2014-12-23 07:11:38 nothing shows up 2014-12-23 07:11:44 apk info -L git 2014-12-23 07:11:59 the git binary is not installed for some reason 2014-12-23 07:12:07 alpinetest01:~# apk info -L git 2014-12-23 07:12:07 git-2.2.0-r0 contains: 2014-12-23 07:12:33 and no files... 2014-12-23 07:12:41 try: apk upgrade -U 2014-12-23 07:12:47 git 2.2.1 should be there now 2014-12-23 07:13:00 yep, thanks 2014-12-23 07:13:40 silly me 2014-12-23 10:21:23 hum... any tip on how to set up output video to HDMI? 2014-12-23 10:30:54 xrandr? 2014-12-23 10:34:05 cli: xrandr, gui: arandr 2014-12-23 10:34:45 thanks... I'm gonna search for them 2014-12-23 10:36:09 well just installed xandr and rebooted than the HDMI is working 2014-12-23 10:36:10 o.0 2014-12-23 10:41:11 did you boot with hdmi plugged in when it didn't work? 2014-12-23 10:41:38 in fact i noticed that what is not working is GUI 2014-12-23 10:43:49 CLI works on HDMI but the GUI don't 2014-12-23 10:45:18 so.. arand is what I need to search 2014-12-23 15:36:51 jomat, http://hastebin.com/ejolixibif.pl 2014-12-23 15:38:04 there is a cable connected to HDMI port... and i can see the boot process via HDMI TV, but when lxdm starts it becomes black 2014-12-23 15:38:47 does this hastebin output mean that AL did not recognize my HDMI port? 2014-12-23 15:40:48 alacerda: is that the complete output of xrandr? It should look similar to https://0.jmt.gr/?6371c03be5d67360#B+DpSn0hoKjM9+BxWoJekNsJhPZUpslRZbyAMfRd9Ec= if HDMI should work 2014-12-23 15:42:37 jomat, the URL do not oppend here. But yet, this is the complet output... if I plug VGA cable the output is as in here: http://hastebin.com/uvegefusog.pl 2014-12-23 15:42:54 s/yet/yes/ 2014-12-23 15:43:21 alacerda: you need to activate javascript to display that paste, but hastebin also needs js... 2014-12-23 15:44:42 got it.. 2014-12-23 15:44:51 yeap.. different from my output 2014-12-23 15:45:06 I do not see any HDMI 2014-12-23 15:46:14 i think it could have to do with the driver, but I'm rather clueless how this stuff works :-/ 2014-12-23 15:46:35 ncopa, any clue? 2014-12-23 15:46:41 jomat, thanks anyway 2014-12-23 15:48:58 alacerda: btw... is that a notebook? Do you know the graphics chipset? 2014-12-23 15:50:16 no it is not a notebook and o don't know the chipset. I can search for this info 2014-12-23 15:51:26 sudo apk add pciutils 2014-12-23 15:51:50 sudo lspci -vvvv 2014-12-23 15:52:14 there should be something like 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: .... 2014-12-23 15:52:42 It also tells you "Kernel driver in use:", that's valuable information, too 2014-12-23 15:53:26 http://hastebin.com/vazopetico.rb 2014-12-23 15:55:46 So... the kernel driver line is missing? https://0.jmt.gr/?7a6b967aa75f4594#mwqdyedmA0iuvARwe10ubz04viYmC7srZiQVQ04xsqI= 2014-12-23 15:56:36 yes.. it is missing 2014-12-23 15:58:56 alacerda: can you paste: sudo lsmod|grep via 2014-12-23 15:59:35 or in other words: Did you load any video modules to get X working? 2014-12-23 16:00:14 well... i just did so 2014-12-23 16:00:29 And if that's empty, you could try: sudo modprobe via 2014-12-23 16:01:39 and perhaps also: sudo modprobe viafb 2014-12-23 16:02:01 no worries, those modules aren't persistent after a reboot 2014-12-23 16:02:35 if you start the X server again and try xrandr, it *could* have changed something 2014-12-23 16:03:06 http://hastebin.com/ubipixolik.vala 2014-12-23 16:03:37 i915 is the intel video driver 2014-12-23 16:03:43 oops... 2014-12-23 16:03:51 that's for my card :-) 2014-12-23 16:03:56 jomat, brb in ~10 min 2014-12-23 16:04:03 yea 2014-12-23 16:11:36 There is no libpurple-dev? O_o 2014-12-23 16:12:29 Huh. I also don't see libpurple in the aports tree 2014-12-23 16:14:57 \o/ good news. :) 2014-12-23 16:15:18 why would anyone want to use that bugridden lib? 2014-12-23 16:16:19 but then, xmpp cannot be implemented in a bugfree fashion. 2014-12-23 16:16:20 libpurple is here: http://nl.alpinelinux.org/alpine/v3.1/main/x86_64/libpurple-2.10.11-r0.apk 2014-12-23 16:16:50 he's talking about -dev 2014-12-23 16:17:02 i guess the -dev pkg is not listed in the APKBUILD file? 2014-12-23 16:17:06 and about s/-dev// 2014-12-23 16:17:20 "16:12:28| openfbtd> Huh. I also don't see libpurple in the aports tree" :-D 2014-12-23 16:17:29 oooh. right 2014-12-23 16:17:37 :3 2014-12-23 16:21:41 tvvdhSL5hEBn, I wanted to use biltbee with libpurple 2014-12-23 16:21:44 To use telegram 2014-12-23 16:22:39 ooh. telegram. /o\ 2014-12-23 16:22:58 I need _some_ form of communication with all these phone people 2014-12-23 16:23:52 if you need to contact compromised principals, you better compartmentalize both the hw and the info over these chans 2014-12-23 16:24:13 and then you shouldn't use a snakeoil product in the first place 2014-12-23 16:24:32 if you talk to phone people it makes no sense to apply any of this nonsense snakeoil 2014-12-23 16:24:37 they are compromised anyway. 2014-12-23 16:25:14 jomat, back 2014-12-23 16:25:15 http://hastebin.com/olivomabeg.md 2014-12-23 16:26:00 tvvdhSL5hEBn, I'm trying to find a client that is semi-convenient for both me and them 2014-12-23 16:26:04 WhatsApp is not 2014-12-23 16:27:05 alacerda: Is there any sign of "via" in your /var/log/Xorg.0.log? 2014-12-23 16:27:51 jomat, http://hastebin.com/urusuwagaz.coffee 2014-12-23 16:28:24 first and second line are insteresting 2014-12-23 16:28:35 alacerda: Do you see the module in lspci now? 2014-12-23 16:29:08 jomat, yep: Kernel driver in use: viafb 2014-12-23 16:29:20 hmm, at least something :-) 2014-12-23 16:29:23 =] 2014-12-23 16:41:03 openfbtd: you're mixing conflicting requirements. 2014-12-23 16:41:47 educate your peers by hacking their phones instead, also show them any nearby imsicatchers, or demo them phone vulns yourself, it's quite cheap 2014-12-23 16:49:38 tvvdhSL5hEBn, dude. Seriously. I've never said I need a secure app 2014-12-23 16:49:59 When I need security, I have various clients that can use otr 2014-12-23 16:50:16 but then why no simple voip? 2014-12-23 16:50:17 And PGP emails 2014-12-23 16:50:25 Because I need _text_ 2014-12-23 16:50:32 sms? 2014-12-23 16:50:48 SMS is not quite dirt cheap in Russia yet 2014-12-23 16:50:59 scuzi. didn't know. 2014-12-23 16:51:32 all is fucked 2014-12-23 17:19:33 openfbtd: interesting what you say. can i ask, how popular telegram in russia is? 2014-12-23 17:20:25 It's gaining 2014-12-23 17:20:43 I wish phone people just used jabber 2014-12-23 17:20:48 But they won't 2014-12-23 17:25:42 hmmm, jabber is also bad. xml, presence leaks, etc. 2014-12-23 17:26:47 and how is telegram perceived? is there anyone perceiving telegram compromised, perhaps even a trojan by the .ru government? 2014-12-23 17:27:00 or is this ignnored? 2014-12-23 17:27:36 Telegram at the very least has its clients open. 2014-12-23 17:27:57 But yeah, people I know see it as nothing more than a more convenient whatsapp. 2014-12-23 17:28:05 i.e. DO NOT USE FOR ANYTHING SERIOUS 2014-12-23 17:28:29 also how is the crypto law enforced in .ru? The development, production, sale, implementation, or operation of cryptography without a license is prohibited. Apparently, a license is also required for all users for using cryptography. 2014-12-23 17:28:45 according to http://cryptolaw.org/cls2.htm 2014-12-23 17:29:23 tvvdhSL5hEBn, yeah, but that is not enforced for anything but official government business 2014-12-23 17:29:39 Currently you can do whatever you want with crypto outside of that 2014-12-23 17:29:43 It may change 2014-12-23 17:29:49 well it will be enforced if you are against the system i guess? 2014-12-23 17:29:53 The regime is getting stricter, so... 2014-12-23 17:30:19 if you are a soros backed ngo for example 2014-12-23 21:47:41 tvvdhSL5hEBn: I've seen telegram's protocol described as "a bit complicated but nothing obviously wrong with it" 2014-12-23 21:48:06 tvvdhSL5hEBn: but note the desktop clients don't do the full E2E crypto "secure chats" :( 2014-12-23 22:09:18 what have you been reading? what i saw was basically laughingstock, and spekulation if this is an fsb op. 2014-12-23 22:18:09 https://core.telegram.org/mtproto/TL-dependent is probably my favourite 2014-12-23 22:52:12 tvvdhSL5hEBn: just comments from people like the grugq, rantyben, etc 2014-12-23 22:52:22 sadly there's no better option than telegram atm :( 2014-12-23 22:52:51 (everyone else either doesn't work across multiple devices properly (OTR), no multi party, not cross platform, mobile or desktop only, etcetc) 2014-12-23 23:20:06 to get c compilers and stuff does Alpine have something like "build-essential"? 2014-12-23 23:29:10 so, just "alpine-sdk" will do the job? 2014-12-23 23:41:06 where i can find source code of apk tools ? 2014-12-23 23:42:20 @john280z - using 32 / 64 bit LXC containers with alpine-sdk works well 2014-12-23 23:44:24 "apk add alpine-sdk" got me there. :) 2014-12-23 23:45:13 now I need the X11 dev files (like Xlib.h) 2014-12-23 23:49:10 ah, got it, "apk add libx11-dev" 2014-12-24 00:19:43 john280z: there's "build-base", if you don't need the alpine package build tools 2014-12-24 01:17:17 thanks, alpine-sdk+libx11-dev+libxinerana-dev= dwm compiles and runs fine. 2014-12-24 04:36:17 Anyone put alpine on a beaglebone black? I'm not finding much via google. 2014-12-24 09:33:51 none of them people competent in security matters i presume? 2014-12-24 09:35:01 you forgot moxie: http://www.thoughtcrime.org/blog/telegram-crypto-challenge/ 2014-12-24 10:21:37 for all you kind people my little gift for the holidays: https://www.ctrlc.hu/~stef/cognitive_biases_-_layer8_security_advisories.epub 2014-12-24 10:23:57 tvvdhSL5hEBn i still like jabber (chatsecure for android, and gajim for windows) and otr encryption. 2014-12-24 10:26:17 yah, jabber is the least worst. despite the xml and the traffic analysis systemic vulns 2014-12-24 10:29:44 also irc+otr is better because the lack of the xmpp problems. but the client support is not that great for people not in control of their gear 2014-12-24 10:31:49 tvvdhSL5hEBn also using irc with otr and key on # 2014-12-24 10:32:14 on '#'? 2014-12-24 17:06:46 tvvdhSL5hEBn irc channel 2014-12-26 07:46:15 be carefule with reboot if you are using edge 2014-12-26 07:46:39 busybox 1.23 modpobe might case it to not boot but you'll get an emergency shell 2014-12-26 09:14:45 uh oh? ;) 2014-12-26 10:07:39 hi, has anyone tried booting bare metal with locked sd card ? 2014-12-26 20:31:12 hey all 2014-12-27 01:23:17 is the size of /run at boot configurable? 2014-12-27 12:17:27 btw: anyone ever used shorewall6 on alpine? 2014-12-27 13:46:42 Hi there! I just installed Alpine Linux on my ancient notebook and it is working wonderful so far. I'm no trying to get fbcon working using the tridentfb driver. But once tridentfb is loaded, the screen freezes (I can still raise the elephant, but not shut down "blindly", so the console seems to be frozen, too). I've treat both loading fbcon first an then tridentfb and other way round. (When loading tridentfb first I typed "modprobe tridentfb; s 2014-12-27 14:17:03 *I'm now trying 2014-12-27 16:45:55 Sorry if you read this twice: When I'm loading tridentfb and fbcon modules my screen freezes. Any idea what I did wrong? I can still shut down my notebook with frozen screen via sysrequest, but the console seems not to work any more (when I type in commands blindly). 2014-12-27 16:59:28 maribu, Starting X11? 2014-12-27 17:11:15 john280z: This won't work without the xf86-video-trident driver, as without tridentfb there is no framebuffer device needed by xf86-video-fbdev. I tried running "modprobe tridentfb && xinit", but this didn't worked 2014-12-27 17:12:41 are you sure it's not loading another video module? 2014-12-27 17:12:49 lsmod 2014-12-27 17:16:40 "tridentfb" is in /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.conf 2014-12-27 17:17:18 there is the module "video" loaded, but apart of this module there is no other video module 2014-12-27 17:18:53 yes it is blacklisted, but shouldn't this only prevent autoloading of modules? I'll try un-blacklisting, one moment please.... 2014-12-27 17:22:48 didn't help. Screen still froze. (it might be important: Every time before screen is freezing it shows sone garbage version of the boot logo displayed by the bios) 2014-12-27 17:25:10 after de-blacklisting does lsmod show anything new? 2014-12-27 17:26:09 exactly the same, it freezes with this messed up logo showing 2014-12-27 17:30:00 Before switching to Alpine I used Arch Linux where tridentfb worked fine. I think in Arch Linux fbcon is compiled directly into the kernel instead as module. this might be why it worked there 2014-12-27 17:31:28 could you boot an Arch live CD and check the xorg.conf & lsmod? 2014-12-27 17:31:58 after un-blacklisting tridentfb is loaded automatically during boot, making the screen freeze 2014-12-27 17:34:04 then undo the de-blacklisting 2014-12-27 17:34:13 Xorg is not involved in loading the framebuffer kernel module, tridentfb works just fine on Arch Linux without Xorg installed 2014-12-27 17:38:17 What would happen if a depency of tridentfb or fbcon is blacklisted? Would tridentfb still load without the dependency? I might test un-blacklisting all modules... 2014-12-27 17:40:22 No, didn't help.... 2014-12-27 17:45:51 ok, the problem is, you boot alpine install disk and that works fine? 2014-12-27 17:50:13 Alpine is installed to hdd, via Alpine Live CD I've re-blacklisted tridentfb and note Alpine is booting fine again. tridentfb also didn't worked from Live CD (image one day old), Alpine on hdd is edge. But the problem also existed on v3.1 on hdd, so I tried the edge version to see if problem is still present with newer kernel 2014-12-27 17:56:29 so when are you "loading tridentfb"/ 2014-12-27 17:56:34 ? 2014-12-27 17:58:52 yes. I just tested loading tridentfb via ssh to see if only local shell stops working after "modprobe tridentfb", but also the ssh session freezes afterwards :-( 2014-12-27 18:02:11 Ok, the notebook boots ok and you can log in as root and you can edit files. 2014-12-27 18:02:17 hmm, I cannot reconnect via ssh, looks like opensshd is crashed. But it is still pinging back... 2014-12-27 18:04:00 yes I can use the default console (not fbcon) and everything is working fine until the trident frambuffer driver is loaded 2014-12-27 18:06:18 who/what/when loads tridentfb? 2014-12-27 18:07:03 I do this manually via "modprobe tridentfb" 2014-12-27 18:07:12 why? 2014-12-27 18:09:05 Better graphical resolution in terminal with fbcon ;-) I like working in the terminal without starting X, but 80x24 chars is a little small for vim 2014-12-27 18:11:04 I might try to create a the xf86-video-trident package and run virtial terminals in X... 2014-12-27 18:11:53 and Arch used the tridentfb driver? 2014-12-27 18:13:27 or use Tiling window managers in X11. 2014-12-27 18:21:13 I created the tridentfb package in Arch Linux AUR, this provided the tridentfb kernel module for Arch Linux. I could just load this with "modprobe tridentfb" and I had a 1024x768 resolution framebuffer on which fbcon provided the console 2014-12-27 18:22:02 in Alpine Linux the tridentfb module is included in the stock grsec kernel 2014-12-27 18:23:18 But I think that fbcon is compiled into the kernel in Arch, which might be the reason it worked there 2014-12-27 18:25:56 (I never had to manually load fbcon in Arch. I have to do this in Alpine on an other machine with an intel graphic card in order to get fbcon working there. This is why I guess fbcon is not a module but buildin in Arch) 2014-12-28 01:12:57 Trying to install alpine-mini-3.1.0-x86_64.iso unto my laptop. It stalls at "Loading Hardware Drivers" adding "grsec noquiet verbose" shows that it stalls at "(12/15) Installing musl-utils (1.1.5-r1)" 2014-12-28 01:13:08 What to do here? 2014-12-28 01:14:32 This is the musl c library (libc) implementation and I fail to see what that has got to do with drivers. 2014-12-28 01:22:19 Anyone not a sleep on their keyboard who knows how to deal with this? 2014-12-29 12:31:19 hmm, where did the online package search go? 2014-12-29 13:04:22 CcxCZ:http://forum.alpinelinux.org/packages 2014-12-29 13:06:54 thanks :-) 2014-12-29 14:41:16 are there any docs on how to install the rpi targz? dump everything onto a bootable fat32? 2014-12-29 15:39:05 hey there... 2014-12-29 15:39:32 can someone tell me if the rasberry pi image does dhcp after boot up ? 2014-12-29 15:39:51 i run a headless rpi and want to use alpine with it. 2014-12-29 15:40:12 but i get no conections to the router 2014-12-29 15:49:40 mirac: no, nothing starts up after bootup 2014-12-29 15:51:11 mirac: i think you can from a (x86 or x86_64) vm boot up, run setup-alpine 2014-12-29 15:51:34 from there use lbu package to create an apkovl.tar.gz 2014-12-29 15:51:43 and copy that to the rpi boot media 2014-12-29 15:52:01 do rm /etc/apk/arch before lbu package 2014-12-29 15:53:13 ncopa: thx... i will try. 2014-12-29 15:57:57 lately i've been fond of the idea of having a boot service that looks at /proc/cmdline for any additional services to start/commands to run 2014-12-29 16:00:14 that would be great :-) 2014-12-29 16:09:51 mirac: i've just been playing around with the rpi initrd 2014-12-29 16:10:28 `gunzip -c initramfs-rpi | cpio -i` will extract it for you 2014-12-29 16:11:12 then `init` is the file you should be looking at. lbu on a separate partition seems to be a good solution for setting up stuff to get started with 2014-12-29 17:53:01 This is the linux distro for mountain climbers of the Alps? 2014-12-29 17:54:16 NO?! 2014-12-29 18:07:01 it is for those who live in the alps 2014-12-29 18:07:10 we use snow-powered generators 2014-12-30 06:59:47 morning 2014-12-30 07:02:34 wois: alpine is a distro for snowy servers like those in finland: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WmmfmYID1Yw 2014-12-30 08:03:36 ncopa: lol, then I must be doing it wrong. 2014-12-30 09:50:47 ncopa lol thats so weird :D 2014-12-30 11:01:03 morning 2014-12-30 13:33:55 hey ncopa is it safe to upgrade to edge right now? 2014-12-30 13:34:01 from uclibc? 2014-12-30 13:35:36 yes, just make sure to have the busybox-static and apk-tools-static installed before you start 2014-12-30 13:36:11 and do: apk.static --upgrade --no-self-upgrade -a 2014-12-30 13:36:20 the --no-self-upgrade is important 2014-12-30 13:36:36 otherwise will apk find, oh a new version of myself, let me upgrade myslef first 2014-12-30 13:36:48 and it will install an apk build with musl 2014-12-30 13:37:16 while the deps, libcrypto and zlib is still build with uclibc 2014-12-30 13:37:21 and it will go boom 2014-12-30 14:55:25 @Mp5shooter http://wiki.alpinelinux.org/wiki/Upgrading_Alpine#Upgrading_Alpine_v2.x_to_v3.x - just check for errors after running --simulate - if you use openvswitch download the musl version before the upgrade (& install it manually after the upgrade) - you may see an error from a uclibc library during "--simulate" - I just removed this package before doing the upgrade to musl