2013-09-01 01:34:41 Hi I just installed alpine to a raid 1 and everything is going well except I can't get sshd to start on boot /etc/init.d/sshd start works fine however and rc-update shows sshd in the default category. Anyone have a suggestion? 2013-09-01 01:40:55 that should be all you need 2013-09-01 01:41:21 That's what I thought, but at this point if I reboot I get nothing until i login locally and do /etc/init.d/sshd start 2013-09-01 01:41:34 and the box is in my attic and that is getting troublesome 2013-09-01 07:07:31 hi 2013-09-01 07:07:44 is there anyone calp help here please? 2013-09-01 07:08:36 I installed py-imaging on my alpine linux (2.4) 2013-09-01 07:09:21 but I got "IOError: decoder jpeg not available" when using PIL 2013-09-01 07:09:58 how can I specify the library for JPEG on PIL when installing it from package? 2013-09-01 07:11:07 I tried to compile it manually, but I get another error 2013-09-01 07:13:41 here is the error when I tried to compile the source file "/usr/lib/gcc/i486-alpine-linux-uclibc/4.6.3/include-fixed/limits.h:169:61: fatal error: limits.h: No such file or directory" 2013-09-01 07:14:49 please help me 2013-09-01 08:29:11 hi fcolista 2013-09-01 14:20:02 Ybmanaf, HI 2013-09-01 14:20:04 hi 2013-09-01 14:24:12 hi fcolista 2013-09-01 14:24:39 I need you help to get my PIL so support jpeg/png 2013-09-01 14:24:46 *your 2013-09-01 14:25:34 I've installed it from package but it doesn't work 2013-09-01 14:26:05 and tried to install PIL using source, and got the following error include-fixed/limits.h:169:61: fatal error: limits.h: No such file or directory 2013-09-01 14:26:29 fcolista: do you have any idea? 2013-09-01 14:27:59 PIL = ? 2013-09-01 14:28:36 PIL = Python Imaging Library 2013-09-01 14:28:45 I think in alpine it's py-imaging 2013-09-01 14:28:48 ok 2013-09-01 14:28:56 let me check 2013-09-01 14:29:17 btw... I've send an e-mail about it on bsn-devel 2013-09-01 14:29:23 alpine-devel 2013-09-01 14:29:36 i've read it 5 minutes ago 2013-09-01 14:30:08 I am not 100% sure, but that what I thought 2013-09-01 14:31:05 so you want to enable jpg and png support right= 2013-09-01 14:31:07 ? 2013-09-01 14:31:11 yes 2013-09-01 14:31:21 pls 2013-09-01 14:32:07 (I'm installing a trac plugin which needs them) 2013-09-01 14:32:18 ok 2013-09-01 14:32:24 (and got these error in the page) 2013-09-01 14:32:28 let me check 2013-09-01 14:33:31 looks that it needs jpeg-dev and zilb-dev 2013-09-01 14:33:35 *zlib-dev 2013-09-01 14:34:41 I installed libjpeg an zib 2013-09-01 14:34:47 *zlib 2013-09-01 14:35:22 I'm addingjpeg-dev and zlib-dev ... 2013-09-01 14:36:01 added 2013-09-01 14:37:44 Ybmanaf, 2013-09-01 14:37:44 algitbot> aports:master | Francesco Colista | testing/py-imaging: enable jpeg and png support | http://tinyurl.com/mbhwjmd 2013-09-01 14:38:21 how should I get it? 2013-09-01 14:41:16 oh, sorry, it's on testing :) 2013-09-01 14:42:15 (... it should be on testing) 2013-09-01 14:45:39 your should pin the repo and install it from testing 2013-09-01 14:51:47 how long it should need to be available in testing? 2013-09-01 14:51:51 I can't see it yet 2013-09-01 14:52:25 it depends on which mirror are you using 2013-09-01 14:52:42 mirrors are replicated in one hour 2013-09-01 14:53:23 I checked on nl.a and dl-2 2013-09-01 14:53:51 and dl-3 2013-09-01 14:55:13 try to check now, i uploaded an apkbuild that won't build (it's not py-imaging) 2013-09-01 14:57:14 sorry, should I check on whihc mirror? 2013-09-01 14:58:11 http://nl.alpinelinux.org/alpine/edge/main/x86/ 2013-09-01 15:00:18 ok, I found it (I looked on edge/testing) 2013-09-01 15:00:26 ok :) 2013-09-01 15:01:09 hmm 2013-09-01 15:01:16 it doesn't work 2013-09-01 15:01:18 :( 2013-09-01 15:02:21 I downoaded the source file as well and ran "python selftest.py" from the source flder 2013-09-01 15:02:31 and it says 2013-09-01 15:02:49 -------------------------------------------------------------------- 2013-09-01 15:03:00 PIL 1.1.7 TEST SUMMARY 2013-09-01 15:03:06 -------------------------------------------------------------------- 2013-09-01 15:03:11 Python modules loaded from ./PIL 2013-09-01 15:03:18 Binary modules loaded from /usr/lib/python2.7/site-packages/PIL 2013-09-01 15:03:30 -------------------------------------------------------------------- 2013-09-01 15:03:36 *** PIL CORE support not installed 2013-09-01 15:03:42 *** TKINTER support not installed 2013-09-01 15:03:49 *** JPEG support not installed 2013-09-01 15:03:55 *** ZLIB (PNG/ZIP) support not installed 2013-09-01 15:04:00 *** FREETYPE2 support not installed 2013-09-01 15:04:05 *** LITTLECMS support not installed 2013-09-01 15:04:11 -------------------------------------------------------------------- 2013-09-01 15:04:21 I don't know if that could help 2013-09-01 15:05:03 umh 2013-09-01 15:05:13 i think something is messed up in your box 2013-09-01 15:05:34 try to lld /usr/lib/python2/site-packages/PIL 2013-09-01 15:05:43 ldd _imaging.so 2013-09-01 15:05:49 ldd _imagingft.so 2013-09-01 15:06:05 they are linked against png, freetype and jpeg 2013-09-01 15:06:24 packages probably it's ok 2013-09-01 15:06:33 you mean ldd in the 1st command? 2013-09-01 15:06:50 ldd /usr/lib/python2/site-packages/PIL/_imaging.so 2013-09-01 15:06:59 ldd /usr/lib/python2/site-packages/PIL/_imagingft.so 2013-09-01 15:07:27 i've checked the package in my box 2013-09-01 15:07:42 if you tryied to compile it by yourselves, dunno if something is messed up :( 2013-09-01 15:08:50 http://pastebin.ca/2441709 2013-09-01 15:09:37 http://pastebin.ca/2441710 2013-09-01 15:09:42 there's no jpeg in #1 2013-09-01 15:10:25 http://pastebin.com/GhBSCKgH 2013-09-01 15:11:00 http://pastebin.com/WAL4qLin 2013-09-01 15:11:03 those are mine 2013-09-01 15:11:22 and is py-imaging-1.1.7-r4 2013-09-01 15:11:52 brb 2013-09-01 15:11:57 can you paste the output of apk info -v | grep py-imaging ? 2013-09-01 15:12:29 py-imaging-1.1.7-r3 2013-09-01 15:12:40 you're not updated the package 2013-09-01 15:12:42 oh, I do still the old 2013-09-01 15:12:48 yes 2013-09-01 15:15:08 fcolista: that's it 2013-09-01 15:15:12 it wprks well 2013-09-01 15:15:29 thank you very much 2013-09-01 15:15:35 really appreciate 2013-09-01 15:15:59 yw Ybmanaf 2013-09-01 15:19:16 fcolista: looks like png is not added 2013-09-01 15:20:45 ? 2013-09-01 15:21:10 for png file 2013-09-01 15:21:47 I got ... 2013-09-01 15:22:36 IOError: decoder zip not available 2013-09-01 15:22:49 I think PNG using zip 2013-09-01 15:23:02 yes 2013-09-01 15:23:19 zlib is among dependencies 2013-09-01 15:24:10 README: PNG support zlib (1.2.3 or later is recommended) 2013-09-01 15:24:53 IOError: decoder zip not available 2013-09-01 15:25:01 Where do you get this error? 2013-09-01 15:25:24 on trac log 2013-09-01 15:25:58 before I got the same error for JEPG file 2013-09-01 15:26:11 JPEG 2013-09-01 15:27:02 version mismatch? 2013-09-01 15:28:10 zlib-1.2.8-r0 2013-09-01 15:28:16 that's what I got here 2013-09-01 15:31:03 what was ZLIB_ROOT ? 2013-09-01 15:31:11 I mean the value 2013-09-01 15:32:18 it's founf at runtime 2013-09-01 15:32:20 *found 2013-09-01 15:32:38 anyway, py-imagingft is compiled against zlib as well 2013-09-01 15:32:40 libz.so.1 => /lib/libz.so.1 (0x00000000) 2013-09-01 15:57:40 is there a chance that it would be fixed? 2013-09-01 15:57:44 (no rush) 2013-09-01 16:13:11 Ybmanaf, i'm not really sure that is something wrong with py-imaging 2013-09-01 16:13:40 dunno what other things i should check 2013-09-01 16:14:02 since ldd returns a correct library linked 2013-09-01 16:17:37 Ybmanaf, this is something interestig: 2013-09-01 16:17:37 http://stackoverflow.com/questions/2200742/python-default-common-way-to-read-png-images 2013-09-01 16:17:59 "THe suggested PIL does not support interlaced PNGs. It can be quite anoying when dealing with lots of PNGs from different origins. It is possible to open them, but can only read headerinformation from them, all other operations fail." 2013-09-01 16:38:32 anyway 2013-09-01 16:38:40 from PIL import Image 2013-09-01 16:38:40 im = Image.open('AngryKim.png') 2013-09-01 16:38:40 print im.size 2013-09-01 16:39:00 this is the result 2013-09-01 16:39:01 alpine:~# python test.py 2013-09-01 16:39:01 (497, 337) 2013-09-01 16:39:09 so, it reads correctly PNG files 2013-09-01 16:39:20 hmm 2013-09-01 17:03:17 thx fcolista, I'm happy with th eJPEG 2013-09-02 10:21:15 hi! I'm thinking about redoing the linux install on my home server/router, and alpine looks like an interesting alternative. There's just one area I need to know more about before I take the plunge and try if it'll work for me 2013-09-02 10:22:38 I need infiniband support. looking at the package list it looks like there's no packages for the userspace tools. is it easy to create custom packages to work around that? 2013-09-02 10:23:01 yes, but some kernel might need customization 2013-09-02 10:23:20 is it easy to add kernel modules if the ones I need aren't selected by default? 2013-09-02 10:35:57 i think the most interesting for infiniband are in 2013-09-02 10:37:43 jzono1: and the packaging is quite easy, making packages on alpine is much less horror than anywhere else 2013-09-02 10:58:19 darkfaded: it looks pretty easy ona rch too 2013-09-02 10:58:22 arch 2013-09-02 10:59:34 or it's even easier on alpine? 2013-09-02 11:49:36 http://paste.lopsa.org/108 anyone can tell me what the limit i hit really means? 2013-09-02 11:49:44 and why it didnt happen to me before :) 2013-09-02 11:50:09 waxh0012:~# cat /proc/meminfo 2013-09-02 11:50:09 MemTotal: 334188 kB 2013-09-02 11:50:09 MemFree: 42488 kB 2013-09-02 11:50:19 might be related, idk 2013-09-02 11:50:36 i think it is an apk bug 2013-09-02 11:50:42 probably some package has errors 2013-09-02 11:50:44 oh 2013-09-02 11:50:49 and a script 2013-09-02 11:50:57 or trigger 2013-09-02 11:51:01 which apk thinks it will run 2013-09-02 11:51:04 but fails to do 2013-09-02 11:51:12 i'll dig deeper tonight 2013-09-02 11:51:36 try run apk fix firs 2013-09-02 11:51:38 first* 2013-09-02 11:51:52 doesnt give an error 2013-09-02 11:53:52 ncopa: thanks anyway, i'll let you know once i find the culprit 2013-09-02 11:54:01 just gonna avoid teh reboots for now 2013-09-02 12:06:33 grrr so it has "300something" MB ram 2013-09-02 12:07:13 i had configured dom0_mem=512M 2013-09-02 12:07:26 but the funky miscalculation bug came to visit 2013-09-02 12:12:14 it does not help that xen needs perl to do file locking... 2013-09-02 12:12:33 rewrite 4-5 lines of perl to C and you'll save 40-50MB 2013-09-02 12:13:10 #1524 2013-09-02 12:17:32 hrhr 2013-09-02 12:18:59 wb 2013-09-02 12:19:06 and you're right about perl 2013-09-02 12:34:50 ERROR: xen-libs-4.2.2-r10: No such file or directory 2013-09-02 12:34:58 that's the first error in my upgrade 2013-09-02 12:35:10 that's a bit weird, there's multiple package errors like it 2013-09-02 12:35:24 why would it be amiss 2013-09-02 12:35:31 why can't i think 2013-09-02 12:35:35 where's my bed 2013-09-02 12:39:32 apk update 2013-09-02 12:39:40 or mirror was not in sync :-/ 2013-09-02 12:43:41 ncopa: it worked after the apk update 2013-09-02 12:43:46 let me see if i had run it 2013-09-02 12:44:02 yep, i did 2013-09-02 12:44:05 but now it's fine 2013-09-02 12:44:12 so maybe a sleepy mirror 2013-09-02 12:44:16 might the mirror was not in sync 2013-09-02 12:44:23 hm 2013-09-02 12:44:35 i think the mirrors should use --delete-after or so 2013-09-02 12:44:36 oh 2013-09-02 12:44:43 APKINDEX might be copied first 2013-09-02 12:44:48 and later the .apk's 2013-09-02 12:45:10 hehe 2013-09-02 12:45:12 yeah 2013-09-02 12:45:17 iirc there is an rsync option to make the sync operation be as 'atomic' as possible 2013-09-02 12:47:20 --delay-updates put all updated files into place at transfer's end 2013-09-02 12:47:22 mayve 2013-09-02 12:49:52 yeah... --delay-updates 2013-09-02 12:50:23 http://cacti.tortois.es/public/graphs/graph_90_1.png 2013-09-02 14:27:14 Hi, I am new to IRC and have a few questions concerning AL 2013-09-02 14:28:23 hi joe_manfield, welcome 2013-09-02 14:29:01 feel free to ask 2013-09-02 14:29:10 hi ncope, thank you for welcoming me 2013-09-02 14:29:45 hi 2013-09-02 14:30:11 I have in mind to build an all in 1 solution with AL 2013-09-02 14:30:42 ...the solution should work from cd with persistance on usb 2013-09-02 14:31:21 ...it should be started on a normal pc with only one netcard 2013-09-02 14:32:14 so far it should work 2013-09-02 14:33:31 please continue... (i'm waiting for the question) 2013-09-02 14:33:32 ...it should have similar functions as the ctserver 2013-09-02 14:33:57 ...virtualized network with router firewall 2013-09-02 14:34:17 ...a DMZ for internet webserver 2013-09-02 14:34:39 ...a second firewall that protects the intranet 2013-09-02 14:35:13 ...services in the intranet should be LAMP and Mail 2013-09-02 14:35:26 on the same box? 2013-09-02 14:35:33 ...some of them need to interact with the internet 2013-09-02 14:35:43 yes, on the same box 2013-09-02 14:36:12 i send you a link to the ctserver, which can do all that 2013-09-02 14:36:37 i'm not familiar with ctserver so a link would be good yes 2013-09-02 14:37:13 http://www.heise.de/ct/projekte/c-t-Debian-Server-284111.html (it's in german :-() 2013-09-02 14:37:35 ich spreschen nicht deutch :) 2013-09-02 14:37:54 :-) google translate it :-) 2013-09-02 14:38:26 the server was a big success and was downloaded more than 1 million times 2013-09-02 14:38:42 ...then it disappeared 2013-09-02 14:38:58 the idea behind it is great 2013-09-02 14:39:03 indeed 2013-09-02 14:39:31 that page kinda tells you what you need to get that functionality 2013-09-02 14:40:17 ...I need virtualization without X and minimal requirements on ressources 2013-09-02 14:40:34 right? 2013-09-02 14:40:48 sounds correct yes 2013-09-02 14:41:03 you want use xen as virtualization platform? 2013-09-02 14:41:29 xen or virtualbox, which should also run in command mode 2013-09-02 14:41:39 if all guests are linux, you could use lxc 2013-09-02 14:41:52 joe_manfield: i at least know c'tserver, i think it could be replaced nicely with something on alpine 2013-09-02 14:42:01 but lxc won't give you virtualized network stack 2013-09-02 14:42:19 is this downloadable with apk (lxc)? 2013-09-02 14:42:23 we have not virtualbox, but xen should work 2013-09-02 14:42:35 yes, lxc is easy: apk add lxc 2013-09-02 14:42:37 *does* work :) 2013-09-02 14:42:59 lxc might be cool for running off a shared base os or other crazed stuff 2013-09-02 14:43:02 darkfaded: you have experience with that? 2013-09-02 14:43:17 lxc will be much lighter than xen 2013-09-02 14:43:29 it will give the illusion of virtualization 2013-09-02 14:43:34 is the top in lxc repaired? (so, I see not the host ram, just my container ram)? 2013-09-02 14:43:51 but in reallity the "guests" are sharing the smake kernel as the host 2013-09-02 14:43:55 same* 2013-09-02 14:44:00 I mean, is /proc also virtualized? 2013-09-02 14:44:07 shafire: yes 2013-09-02 14:44:12 Is this new? 2013-09-02 14:44:23 i think not, but its configurable 2013-09-02 14:44:46 So, you see in the container just the assigned memory? 2013-09-02 14:44:53 joe_manfield: nope, i use xen most of the time 2013-09-02 14:45:16 shafire: the guest only sees the process in the guest yes 2013-09-02 14:45:39 i think you can use cgroups to restrict total memory etc 2013-09-02 14:45:42 i think this would be a great solution for students and travellers to take a whole secure environment with them 2013-09-02 14:45:51 joe_manfield: indeed 2013-09-02 14:46:33 how much mem is needed on the host, if all guest machines are running on AL? 2013-09-02 14:46:44 ncopa: I mean this: http://www.mail-archive.com/lxc-users@lists.sourceforge.net/msg01339.html 2013-09-02 14:46:59 depends on how many apps you intend to run and if you go for xen or lxc 2013-09-02 14:47:55 the mem requirements will be low if you go for lxc 2013-09-02 14:48:06 not more than if you ran all the services on one single box 2013-09-02 14:48:19 i think lxc could do it... 4 boxes 2013-09-02 14:48:28 the "virtualization" layer is very light 2013-09-02 14:48:48 shared kernel? 2013-09-02 14:48:53 yes 2013-09-02 14:48:54 yes 2013-09-02 14:49:27 if you want to develop something that's security focused I wouldn't go with lxc 2013-09-02 14:49:34 indeed 2013-09-02 14:49:34 where should I start? I have little experience with AL and lxc 2013-09-02 14:49:53 is xen more secure? 2013-09-02 14:50:15 joe_manfield: an important point, if the isolation is very important securitywise, then be careful with lxc 2013-09-02 14:50:43 meaning, if you git root acces to one of the containers (guests) you can assume you have root on host and all other guests too 2013-09-02 14:51:04 other security problems? 2013-09-02 14:51:13 I'm about to try alpine for the first time. I've decided that I want to use it for my home server/router, and that I want a HDD install. I kinda could want to do virtualization and/or a couple of vservers on it 2013-09-02 14:51:25 joe_manfield: only that afaik 2013-09-02 14:51:34 you could use vservers too 2013-09-02 14:51:48 but imho, the netwroking is slightly inconvenient 2013-09-02 14:52:03 lxc give the impression of virtualized networking 2013-09-02 14:52:04 where to start with lxc? 2013-09-02 14:52:06 vserver does not 2013-09-02 14:52:25 ncopa: if one guest kernel crashes with lxc, do this affect other guests? 2013-09-02 14:52:25 http://lxc.sourceforge.net/ 2013-09-02 14:52:46 royger: absolutely, because there are no "guest kernel" 2013-09-02 14:53:02 there is only a single kernel 2013-09-02 14:53:24 so there's only one instance of the kernel, I wasn't sure about that 2013-09-02 14:53:33 if guests use a separate kernel, then not? 2013-09-02 14:53:48 lxc is by definition only one instance of kernel 2013-09-02 14:54:17 that's the nice thing about real virtualization, everything is isolated, so one guest can crash without affecting the others 2013-09-02 14:54:26 true 2013-09-02 14:54:34 other than xen and qemu, what proper virtualization solutions work under alpine? 2013-09-02 14:54:36 so if the app server on the intranet crashes, the whole box is down? 2013-09-02 14:54:59 joe_manfield: if you use lxc yes, if you use Xen/KVM no 2013-09-02 14:55:05 joe_manfield: only if the *kernel* crashes 2013-09-02 14:55:09 not if the app crashes 2013-09-02 14:55:33 jzono1: i think we only have xen and qemu/kvm 2013-09-02 14:55:38 kvm is not good for me 2013-09-02 14:55:59 xen or qemu... or virtualbox 2013-09-02 14:56:15 does vbox works under AL? 2013-09-02 14:56:15 qemu works 2013-09-02 14:56:20 nope 2013-09-02 14:56:22 may I ask why is Qemu OK but not KVM? 2013-09-02 14:56:31 i wonder that too :) 2013-09-02 14:56:33 I don't want to go anywhere near virtualbox, and I kinda guess vmware could be problematic + it's pricey 2013-09-02 14:56:47 jzono1: why vbox hate? 2013-09-02 14:56:55 vmware is problematic because its closed source 2013-09-02 14:57:05 KVM needs HW Virtualization on CPU 2013-09-02 14:57:06 vbox is at least open 2013-09-02 14:57:22 i use qemu/kvm/libvirt on my desktop for windows and testing other distros 2013-09-02 14:57:30 and lxc for alpine development 2013-09-02 14:57:37 lxc is not that mature 2013-09-02 14:57:45 qemu and vbox can work on bare sw emulation but i don't think you can realistically run anything more than dos that way 2013-09-02 14:57:49 joe_manfield: yes, Xen doesn't require that, but vbox without virt extensions is going to be incredibly slow 2013-09-02 14:58:08 it hardly ever does what I want when I want. no raw disk access. seems kinda slow, at times. and last time I tried it, it somehow nuked my entire networking setup on windows 2013-09-02 14:58:19 :) 2013-09-02 14:58:23 lol 2013-09-02 14:58:24 ctserver was done with debian and xen 2013-09-02 14:58:47 jzono1: might be the host os choice - do i understand correctly you run it on windows? 2013-09-02 14:58:57 id say xen is a good choice 2013-09-02 14:59:10 yeah 2013-09-02 14:59:11 ncopa: i think so too 2013-09-02 14:59:16 vbox is sometimes bitch but it's only virtualiser which works on both bsd and linux pretty well 2013-09-02 14:59:30 lxc is good if you are ok with some netwroking setup surprises 2013-09-02 14:59:37 I kinda painted myself into a corner with the only remaining linux box I have. no disk space to do anything usefull 2013-09-02 14:59:37 what about ressources for xen? 2013-09-02 15:00:13 joe_manfield: you will need a little bit more memory, because every guest runs it's own kernel 2013-09-02 15:00:19 and more disk space 2013-09-02 15:00:30 i use iscsi to zfs blob file for drives, my host box lacks vt-d (i think) instrution set for ioapic meulation, but it works pretty decently 2013-09-02 15:00:32 each guest will need install its own kernel 2013-09-02 15:00:34 host AL and 4 guest AL? 2013-09-02 15:00:39 joe_manfield: why is KVM not good for you? 2013-09-02 15:00:54 oh you had the question already 2013-09-02 15:01:15 joe_manfield: I assume you are using some old 32bit box? 2013-09-02 15:01:20 shafire: needs HW virtulization on CPU... 2013-09-02 15:01:27 I see 2013-09-02 15:01:30 otherwise KVM would be very nice 2013-09-02 15:01:44 if c'tserver had 1mio downloads there's a good chance of some people running non-VT cpus 2013-09-02 15:01:53 isn't xen bitch to setup? 2013-09-02 15:01:57 yes, students have not a lot money ;-) 2013-09-02 15:02:20 newer Xen versions dropped 32bit support, so you will have to stick with 4.2 2013-09-02 15:02:26 if it is for students, i'd give lxc a try 2013-09-02 15:02:29 oh great 2013-09-02 15:02:31 i need to go 2013-09-02 15:02:34 see you 2013-09-02 15:02:35 VT has been around for a long time now though 2013-09-02 15:02:38 another great idea lollol 2013-09-02 15:02:47 i always love clever ideas in xen project 2013-09-02 15:03:00 each of the manages to set it back a year or two 2013-09-02 15:03:06 jzono1: but not completley usable - it had several MAJOR additions in time 2013-09-02 15:03:27 darkfaded: do you mean to drop 32bit support? 2013-09-02 15:03:30 yeah 2013-09-02 15:03:40 i don't care 2013-09-02 15:03:42 i'm just sick of it 2013-09-02 15:03:59 darkfaded: why is it bad decision? kvm also require 64b doesn't it? 2013-09-02 15:04:10 yeah that's an awesome argument 2013-09-02 15:04:16 vt-x is enough for most things, and that's been around since 2009? 2013-09-02 15:04:34 i will try to adopt ctserver on alpine... first with lxc, then... 2013-09-02 15:04:57 jzono1: for any better performance you need vt-d as well 2013-09-02 15:05:07 ok, how many embedded virt setups did you build, so far, that needed to run a 32bit os and will be running for the next 10 years in 100% uptime mode? :) :) 2013-09-02 15:05:29 nah. vt-d is only usefull in some very specialized useage cases 2013-09-02 15:05:43 jzono1: i have vt-x server but it does not have vt-d it can be felt in vbox 2013-09-02 15:06:10 jzono1: you can't do reasitically do multi cpu with guest in that way 2013-09-02 15:06:45 thank you guys! you gave me some ideas where to start my project... 2013-09-02 15:06:52 jzono1: it's several times slower 2013-09-02 15:07:09 "... on kvm" 2013-09-02 15:07:32 you can quite well run 20 cores in a xen vm w/o overhead 2013-09-02 15:07:36 i am going now to have a closer look at my all in 1 :-) have a good time! 2013-09-02 15:07:46 that's vbox's problem 2013-09-02 15:08:07 other virtualization solutions do multi-cpu, low overhead virtualization very nicely with just vt-x 2013-09-02 15:08:57 hmm. I'm almost ready to do this. 2013-09-02 15:10:26 the xen iso has been put onto an usb drive, now I just need to find a usb nic for my desktop, and it's all good 2013-09-02 15:14:40 will I find an sshd on the alpine-xen iso? 2013-09-02 15:21:24 jzono1: don't think so 2013-09-02 15:48:59 so I've fed the alpine-xen iso to unetbootin, and it doesn't produce an usb drive that my server can boot 2013-09-02 15:49:10 what's likely to be wrong? 2013-09-02 15:51:05 jzono1: you can build a usb image with alpine-iso and just dd it 2013-09-02 15:51:12 never tried unetbootin 2013-09-02 16:08:07 With lxc on alpine, can I use another distribution (glibc) or only alpine? 2013-09-02 16:14:10 http://wiki.alpinelinux.org/wiki/Create_a_Bootable_USB <- I guess it should work, since even the wiki lists it as an option 2013-09-02 16:14:29 I get a "not a COM32R image" error though 2013-09-02 16:15:02 http://www.syslinux.org/wiki/index.php/Common_Problems#Modules <- related. 2013-09-02 16:15:42 so I tried to just use a cdrom. the dvdrw drive failed to work, and I don't have any spares anywhere :( 2013-09-02 16:21:21 unetbootin is probably using syslinux < 4 and copying the mboot32.c32 from the iso image, which is using syslinux 4 if I remember correctly 2013-09-02 16:21:41 try to replace the mboot.c32 on your usb drive with a version from syslinux < 4 2013-09-02 16:22:36 there's something like that going on, yeah. trying a different tool to do the conversion now, Universal-USB-Installer-1.9.4.0.exe 2013-09-02 16:33:34 unless this new tools is using syslinux >= 4 it will probably fail in the same way 2013-09-02 18:06:36 yay! now I'm getting somewhere :) it lives! 2013-09-02 18:10:11 cool 2013-09-02 18:10:36 jzono1: in case no one's mentioned it yet, once you get your setup done, feel free to document it on wiki.alpinelinux.org 2013-09-02 18:15:02 I gave up on getting a working usb drive from windows. yanked the drive I plan on installing it to and put it into a vmware workstation instance with raw harddrive access and did an install there. now I got a btrfs / that manages to boot 2013-09-03 03:50:17 Any status update on the Alpine build for Raspberry Pi? 2013-09-03 05:03:04 NameBrand, no, not yet. i'm working on it. 2013-09-03 05:03:31 but it can take still a while. 2013-09-03 05:03:50 i do have a kernel + bootable initramfs, but many things need still tuning, and a full build is needed. 2013-09-03 05:13:11 pretty much all I need is rsync and a base install for what I want to do. 2013-09-03 05:17:35 right. should not too be far. but can't promise a date yet, as it depends a lot when i get the time to finish it. i'm hoping to work on it later this week / next week. 2013-09-03 05:17:40 though 2013-09-03 05:18:04 it'll be musl based too - so it'll be more experimental - than the current edge. 2013-09-03 05:30:15 Sounds interesting 2013-09-03 05:30:56 ACTION is thinking to buy a raspi too... 2013-09-03 08:15:17 With lxc on alpine, can I use another distribution (glibc) or only alpine? 2013-09-03 08:15:23 it can run other distro 2013-09-03 08:15:27 ... theoretically 2013-09-03 08:15:56 i think the only thing i managed to actually run was debian 2013-09-03 08:24:35 hi guys, how would I go solving this http://bpaste.net/show/o9HXC7FOlfUAiM8s3A3v/ ? 2013-09-03 08:26:57 heh, I'd really want to know the solution to that "rookie mistake" http://bugs.alpinelinux.org/issues/2169 2013-09-03 08:29:09 apk add binutils? 2013-09-03 08:29:12 apk add build-base? 2013-09-03 08:29:23 sounds like something ws not installed 2013-09-03 08:29:34 oh... I thought that was pulled as a dep to gcc 2013-09-03 08:29:36 will check, thanks 2013-09-03 08:30:22 thanks ncopa I overlooked tha one as I thought I already got it ... 2013-09-03 11:04:16 ouch, just noticed i forgot the update-ing server yesterday 2013-09-03 11:04:26 i dimly remember the last try had worked 2013-09-03 11:04:42 more worried about generally forgetting about a server i work on 2013-09-03 14:06:11 g'day 2013-09-03 14:07:07 Is there a framework in Alpine that would allow me to make a deployment iso so I can automate my server deployments.. 2013-09-03 14:09:41 hi 2013-09-03 14:09:44 not really 2013-09-03 14:24:21 dang 2013-09-03 14:24:48 Has this been considered at all ncopa ? 2013-09-03 14:26:11 i definitively see a need for it yes 2013-09-03 14:26:57 so there's a couple of modules missing from the standard kernel config that I need in order to get my infiniband adapter working. I'm trying to figure out abuild to get me a working solution now, and I'm nearly there - is there a way to request the two modules to be added to the standard kernel config, so that next time I upgrade my kernel I won't need to do this? 2013-09-03 14:30:44 ncopa: I am arch user.. I have a good understanding of arch however, setting up xen tends to be not well maintained on arch unless you do it manually.. Hence my move here with the hope Xen is well supported. 2013-09-03 14:31:28 i dont use xen myself (yet) so i don't know 2013-09-03 14:31:51 Also I noticed security advertises seem to be much more clear here. Big plus! Hardly any Linux distros take that seriously.. 2013-09-03 14:32:24 i know for sure that there are ppl that has 300 xen boxes running alpine 2013-09-03 14:32:36 i suppose he didnt roll those out manually :) 2013-09-03 14:33:15 This distro seems to have been hiding from me for a long time..? 2013-09-03 14:33:28 How long have you been around for? 2013-09-03 14:33:30 we are better on coding than on marketing ;) 2013-09-03 14:34:15 we have been around since 2005/2006 i suppose 2013-09-03 14:35:25 we didnt have xen by that time 2013-09-03 14:38:42 haha ok 2013-09-03 14:39:58 i think puppet might have alpine linux support 2013-09-03 14:40:04 but i havent used it 2013-09-03 14:43:00 yuck ruby, prob less time building the box by hand haha 2013-09-03 14:44:06 ncopa: dont flame me (because I don't really care about systemd its all the same to me) but does Alpine plan to move to systemd? I ask for maintainability reasons.. What I should write my scripts in.. 2013-09-03 14:48:30 no plans to migrate to systemd atm 2013-09-03 14:49:35 kaniini: what do you use to roll out alpine boxes? 2013-09-03 14:51:36 I think I have documented the process for the most part on how I plan to configure the machines by reading though the wiki 2013-09-03 14:54:49 ncopa: whats this? http://wiki.alpinelinux.org/wiki/Ansible 2013-09-03 14:55:37 looks like python based tool 2013-09-03 14:55:48 fabian_a wrote that doc 2013-09-03 14:56:05 http://www.ansibleworks.com/ 2013-09-03 14:56:44 this looks related: https://github.com/fabaff/alpine-ansible 2013-09-03 14:57:54 http://fabian-affolter.ch/blog/ansible/ 2013-09-03 14:59:59 thanks ncopa this does seem to be what I am looking for.. 2013-09-03 15:00:43 nice :) 2013-09-03 15:05:51 ncopa: custom apks 2013-09-03 15:06:09 ncopa: i use apk-tools to do my bidding for me... package config files up etc. 2013-09-03 15:06:21 ok 2013-09-03 15:06:39 yeah there is suppose for policy packages to do that kind of things 2013-09-03 15:06:45 ok i gotta go 2013-09-03 15:06:45 thanks 2013-09-03 15:08:05 cheers ncopa ! 2013-09-03 15:08:09 kaniini: thanks 2013-09-03 15:08:39 Really I would like to make installations less painfull.. 2013-09-03 15:09:08 Like doing full disk encryption and all these custom things.. its a pain.. 2013-09-03 15:10:10 these two modules are lacking from the stock kernel config, for my hardware. the rest of the infiniband stuff is already in it, how would I request to have these two modules added too? CONFIG_INFINIBAND_QIB=m and CONFIG_INFINIBAND_ISERT=m 2013-09-03 15:22:51 jzono1_: I suspect http://bugs.alpinelinux.org/ 2013-09-03 15:23:00 funfunctor: that's it 2013-09-03 15:23:57 that's it? what is it? :) 2013-09-03 15:28:52 it'd be a feature, yes? 2013-09-03 15:30:15 jzono1_: yes, I guess put [RFE] by it? 2013-09-03 17:01:35 One thing that is a bit unclear on the wiki is when you have your rootfs in LVM ontop of LUKs. How do you tweak extlinux.cfg for that? 2013-09-03 18:34:44 http://kroah.com/log/blog/2013/09/02/booting-a-self-signed-linux-kernel/ 2013-09-03 23:14:45 Sep 3 22:58:42 basalt kern.info kernel: [3535754.163855] apk[6590]: segfault at a8 ip 000000000041681a sp 00007505f0ab1c60 error 4 in apk[400000+21000] 2013-09-03 23:14:45 Sep 3 22:58:42 basalt kern.alert kernel: [3535754.163871] grsec: From 108.248.207.74: Segmentation fault occurred at 00000000000000a8 in /sbin/apk[apk:6590] uid/euid:0/0 gid/egid:0/0, parent /bin/busybox[ash:6575] uid/euid:0/0 gid/egid: 2013-09-03 23:14:45 Sep 3 22:58:42 basalt kern.alert kernel: [3535754.163884] grsec: From 108.248.207.74: denied resource overstep by requesting 4096 for RLIMIT_CORE against limit 0 for /sbin/apk[apk:6590] uid/euid:0/0 gid/egid:0/0, parent /bin/busybox[ash 2013-09-03 23:14:47 o.O 2013-09-03 23:17:27 oh 2013-09-03 23:17:50 think it happened when I tried installing a package without updating first and one of the dependencies turned out to be missing/"bad address" 2013-09-04 03:28:44 yeah i saw that too 2013-09-04 04:26:29 Moinmoin 2013-09-04 07:54:18 hi 2013-09-04 09:27:59 O.o 2013-09-04 09:28:02 interesting. 2013-09-04 09:29:39 connecting to a ib_srpt target... resulted in a kernel crash & reboot 2013-09-04 09:31:10 (with 3.10.10-1-grsec being the target, and the system that crashed) 2013-09-04 09:32:41 where would I start to find out why this happens? 2013-09-04 09:35:12 _ouch_ 2013-09-04 09:35:34 you can start with trying panic=240 as a kernel option so you can look at the output before the reboot 2013-09-04 09:36:04 I'm guessing I should check if the same thing happens with a vanilla kernel? 2013-09-04 09:36:16 yeah 2013-09-04 09:42:04 or maybe this is expected behaviour? the stock kernel config for the vanilla kernel includes ib_srpt, while the grsec one doesn't 2013-09-04 09:42:31 no kernel panic is expected bahviour, you should attach a serial cable and get the kernels messages 2013-09-04 09:44:09 it doesn't have a serial port. what other options do I have for getting the kernel messages? 2013-09-04 09:47:07 Hi! 2013-09-04 09:47:29 Seems the wiki.a.o has something wrong with the layout (never seen it before) 2013-09-04 09:47:38 Might have happend during some upgrade 2013-09-04 09:47:54 If {{cmd|command1 2013-09-04 09:47:59 command}} 2013-09-04 09:48:19 is used (2 separate commands) 2013-09-04 09:48:25 it 'look' ok on the wiki page 2013-09-04 09:48:37 but when doing copy/paste, they end up in just one row 2013-09-04 09:48:42 Anybody else noticed that? 2013-09-04 09:52:34 jzono1: some hardware has a serial console on usb ports, but I've never used that 2013-09-04 09:54:23 https://www.kernel.org/doc/Documentation/x86/earlyprintk.txt 2013-09-04 11:33:00 mhavela: do you have an example? 2013-09-04 12:03:54 ncopa, Mark all 3 openssl commands from here 2013-09-04 12:03:55 http://wiki.alpinelinux.org/wiki/Dynamic_Multipoint_VPN_%28DMVPN%29#Extract_Certificates 2013-09-04 12:04:02 And paste them into a terminal 2013-09-04 12:07:10 http://wiki.alpinelinux.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Cmd 2013-09-04 12:07:17 it is

2013-09-04 12:07:31 i dunno how white-space: pre is supposed to work 2013-09-04 12:07:33 it has used to work 2013-09-04 12:08:05 maybe it is new fixrefox that change behaviour? 2013-09-04 12:08:08 i dunno 2013-09-04 12:08:14 Could be 2013-09-04 12:08:20 I haven't tested it in IE 2013-09-04 12:08:31 http://wiki.alpinelinux.org/w/index.php?title=Template%3ACmd&diff=4810&oldid=4100 2013-09-04 12:09:14 Yes... but it still has worked :-) 2013-09-04 12:09:19 i dont know 2013-09-04 12:09:35 i doub a mediawiki upgrade had any influence on it 2013-09-04 12:09:43 how about use 

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2013-09-04 12:09:50  In IE it seems to work
2013-09-04 12:10:08  So I guess it has to do with Firefox
2013-09-04 12:11:38  it might also be one of those changes: http://wiki.alpinelinux.org/w/index.php?title=Template%3ACmd&diff=6519&oldid=4810
2013-09-04 13:00:47  right, so the vanilla kernel crashes in the same way. :|
2013-09-05 02:46:11  why does pidgin not support irc on alpine?
2013-09-05 06:01:10  superduck: probably because nobody asked for it
2013-09-05 06:01:18  seriously, i thought we had it
2013-09-05 06:15:34  Good morning
2013-09-05 06:15:41  I /think/ there is some issues with awall
2013-09-05 06:16:08  I have a quite fresh install of AL 2.6.3 (now upgraded to 2.6.4)
2013-09-05 06:16:44  ACTION tries to figure out what the 'pastebin' like command was...
2013-09-05 06:17:57  Remembered... it was 'sprunge'...
2013-09-05 06:22:26  Ok... Here goes
2013-09-05 06:22:49  This is what I have in my /etc/awall/optional/snat-test.json
2013-09-05 06:22:51  http://sprunge.us/fRQV
2013-09-05 06:23:15  Its a copy/paste from http://wiki.alpinelinux.org/wiki/How-To_Alpine_Wall#Example_firewall_using_AWall
2013-09-05 06:24:39  When enabling that policy and doing 'awall activate -f' I get this:
2013-09-05 06:24:43  http://sprunge.us/fORX
2013-09-05 06:25:36  (Actually, I was trying to hunt down a 'bug' with NATting when using awall, but this problem popped up first)
2013-09-05 06:26:21  Anybody have a clue? (fabled/ncopa/kunkku/others)
2013-09-05 06:27:31  This is strange...
2013-09-05 06:27:34  dos /var/run/awall exist?
2013-09-05 06:27:37  I was missing /var/run/awall/
2013-09-05 06:27:40  :-)
2013-09-05 06:27:46  its not so strange
2013-09-05 06:27:53  the problem is that /var/run is tmpfs
2013-09-05 06:28:18  so if it is created on apk add, then it will only work til next reboot
2013-09-05 06:28:25  Not for me - it's a HDD install
2013-09-05 06:28:47  the /var/run is tmpfs on hdd install too
2013-09-05 06:28:54  Oh....
2013-09-05 06:29:01  and in fact, it only happens on hdd installs
2013-09-05 06:29:14  since when root is tmpfs, the package is installed each reboot
2013-09-05 06:29:28  awall should create the dir
2013-09-05 06:29:34  its a bug
2013-09-05 06:29:35  Strange thing is that I got the problem directly after installing 'awall'. A reboot didn't help.
2013-09-05 06:29:42  But now that I noticed that /var/run/awall/ was missing
2013-09-05 06:29:50  I did 'apk fix awall' and the dir appeared
2013-09-05 06:30:06  Strange it didn't create the dir in the beginning
2013-09-05 06:30:07  the reboot made it go away
2013-09-05 06:30:17  it probably did
2013-09-05 06:30:19  I think it was missing before the reboot too
2013-09-05 06:30:23  i think not
2013-09-05 06:30:26  try apk del awall
2013-09-05 06:30:29  (I can't prove it though)
2013-09-05 06:31:14  i can prove it
2013-09-05 06:31:17  You are right!
2013-09-05 06:31:23  apk del removed it
2013-09-05 06:31:26  apk add put it back
2013-09-05 06:31:42  So... will I have trouble with awall after each reboot?
2013-09-05 06:32:07  ncopa-desktop:~$ apk fetch --quiet --stdout awall | tar zt | grep run/awall
2013-09-05 06:32:08  var/run/awall/
2013-09-05 06:32:10  yes
2013-09-05 06:32:14  its a bug in awall
2013-09-05 06:32:18  it needs to create the dir
2013-09-05 06:32:25  should be trivial to fix
2013-09-05 06:33:10  file a bug for it
2013-09-05 06:33:27  Already on it :-)
2013-09-05 06:33:43  Should awall bugs go into the Alpine bug list, or into the awall section?
2013-09-05 06:33:58  ACTION never got a good grip of the bugs.a.o (where things are found)
2013-09-05 06:35:02  Moinmoin
2013-09-05 06:41:16  ncopa, Another awall issue... (this time about nat)
2013-09-05 06:41:42  I am not sure I got things right... so I ask (maybe to find out that I was doing wrong)
2013-09-05 06:41:58  Regarding the http://sprunge.us/fRQV that I am using
2013-09-05 06:42:35  I want hosts on 'loc' (eth0.3) to be able to browse internet through this machine
2013-09-05 06:43:12  But what I can see... the addresses does not get masquraded (hard to spell that word)
2013-09-05 06:43:58  When I activated the awall firewall... I see this result:
2013-09-05 06:44:02  mhnetbook:~$ cat /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward
2013-09-05 06:44:04  0
2013-09-05 06:44:07  ---
2013-09-05 06:44:33  If I would to 'echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward' then things starts working as expected
2013-09-05 06:44:50  add it to sysctl.conf
2013-09-05 06:45:11  its a feature
2013-09-05 06:45:24  and it affects all linux distros out there i think
2013-09-05 06:45:30  Hmm... Didn't know about such feature
2013-09-05 06:45:41  It's not documented on wiki.a.o (on the awall pages)
2013-09-05 06:45:49  ACTION updates sysctl.conf
2013-09-05 06:46:29  http://www.ducea.com/2006/08/01/how-to-enable-ip-forwarding-in-linux/
2013-09-05 06:46:32  So, do we need the 'snat' thing in the awall policy?
2013-09-05 06:46:50  (never mind... I can test myself to figure out a answer to that question)
2013-09-05 06:47:12  you need snat if you want source NAT yes
2013-09-05 06:47:34  if you dont need NAT you can remove that policy
2013-09-05 06:47:42  i believe you do need it
2013-09-05 06:48:23  http://linuxpoison.blogspot.no/2008/01/how-to-enable-ip-forwarding.html
2013-09-05 06:48:36  http://www.centos.org/docs/5/html/5.2/Deployment_Guide/s1-firewall-ipt-fwd.html
2013-09-05 06:48:49  i suppose we should mention it in the wiki some place
2013-09-05 06:49:04  i dont know if we have any "router" section there
2013-09-05 06:49:14  "Using Alpine as a router"
2013-09-05 06:49:42  this doc http://wiki.alpinelinux.org/wiki/How-To_Alpine_Wall#Example_firewall_using_AWall
2013-09-05 06:49:49  gives a example of a 'router' setup
2013-09-05 06:55:35  yeah
2013-09-05 06:55:43  adding ip_forward there makes sense
2013-09-05 12:07:44  Hi
2013-09-05 12:22:07  anyone know what to do in the case of UEFI ?
2013-09-05 12:22:36  I am trying to boot from USB and it does not seem to work.. I just dd'ed the iso the a pen. The Arch iso works however..
2013-09-05 12:36:35  the iso is not a isohybrid
2013-09-05 12:36:51  i dunno how to build a bootable UEFI boot usb :-(
2013-09-05 13:01:06  :<
2013-09-05 13:01:16  i'll just install arch then
2013-09-05 13:02:09  I was really hoping to install alpine.. I saw something on the wiki that claims I could convert a arch install, is that `clean'?
2013-09-05 13:18:12  ncopa: could I somehow loop mount the iso?
2013-09-05 13:18:29  ncopa: don't have a blank cd at hand, go figure..
2013-09-05 13:18:57  I need to run setup-bootable /media/cdrom /dev/sda1
2013-09-05 13:22:03  mount -o loop file.iso /media/cdrom
2013-09-05 13:42:22  yep I know ncopa
2013-09-05 13:42:28  I worked out a way using kvm..
2013-09-05 13:42:54  ncopa: syslinux keeps claiming it cant load libcom32.c32
2013-09-05 13:43:18  http://wiki.alpinelinux.org/wiki/Create_a_Bootable_USB but I changed the dev to be usbdisk
2013-09-05 13:51:55  maybe you need copy it manually
2013-09-05 13:52:07  syslinux-5 switched to elf format
2013-09-05 13:53:24  how do you recommend ncopa ?
2013-09-05 17:04:35  ok.. so I have alpine booted on this new machine..
2013-09-05 17:05:12  need to somehow bridge this arch laptop so I can provide network connectivity
2013-09-05 19:30:50  can i just dd alpine.iso onto the stick in arch?
2013-09-05 19:55:09  goys no /dev/disk? no lsblk?
2013-09-05 20:34:28  get udev and you'll find the usual /dev/disk stuff
2013-09-06 06:31:53  eto, no you cannot dd it, you need copy the files, and run syslinux
2013-09-06 16:36:43  hello!
2013-09-06 16:37:35  trying to get xen working with xorg in dom0
2013-09-06 16:38:02  x runs fine without xen, with xen it crashes when i start firefox
2013-09-06 16:38:11  but works fine up until that point
2013-09-06 16:38:55  couldn't find anything on the internet, can anybody here lend a helping hand or know where a good place to look for help would be?
2013-09-06 17:04:35  rebooting, replies to ktn (would be much appreciated!!)
2013-09-09 04:31:59  Moinmoin
2013-09-09 06:16:41  morning
2013-09-09 06:16:51  hi
2013-09-09 06:17:33  gm
2013-09-09 06:17:52  mornin
2013-09-09 06:18:01  ncopa: i sent a couple of patches to alpine-devel
2013-09-09 06:19:31  ncopa: Quick question. Do you know how to make tmux in Alpine display unicode? it's showing "?" for all unicode characters for me
2013-09-09 06:24:31  Heartmender: echo $CHARSET
2013-09-09 06:24:44  UTF-8
2013-09-09 06:24:50  ???  atheme git:(3760bc9) echo $CHARSET
2013-09-09 06:24:52  UTF-8
2013-09-09 06:25:05  that "???" is supposed to be a unicode "->"
2013-09-09 06:25:12  echo $TERM
2013-09-09 06:25:30  screen
2013-09-09 06:25:56  Actually sorry
2013-09-09 06:26:02  it is weechat with the issue not tmux
2013-09-09 10:13:33  hi
2013-09-09 16:50:39  Anyone update to Xen 4.3 via edge?
2013-09-09 16:56:37  pis there a problem with it?
2013-09-09 16:56:39  -p
2013-09-09 16:56:52  xl info shows that it updated to 4.3.0 but xl list gives permission denied error
2013-09-09 16:57:14  concerning
2013-09-09 16:57:16  xl top gives a "failed to retrieve statistics from libxenstat...
2013-09-09 16:57:22  are you running
2013-09-09 16:57:24  as root?
2013-09-09 16:57:31  yep...
2013-09-09 16:57:47  strace ?
2013-09-09 16:59:14  Will do... haven't run strace.  I apk add strace... what next?
2013-09-09 17:03:33  strace xl list
2013-09-09 17:05:03  TY
2013-09-09 17:05:15  ^_^
2013-09-09 17:15:16  Where to send strace.out after running strace?
2013-09-09 17:16:09  Your online paste source of choice. I prefer github gists
2013-09-09 17:16:15  TY
2013-09-09 17:16:21  ...again.
2013-09-09 17:36:27  Kaniini:  https://gist.github.com/dave1029/6498905
2013-09-09 17:36:35  results of strace xl list
2013-09-09 17:37:02  Dave1029: strace sudo xl list?
2013-09-09 17:37:03  weird.
2013-09-09 17:37:34  royger: ^
2013-09-09 17:46:10  no, I was running as root
2013-09-09 17:46:15  strace xl list
2013-09-09 18:03:58  Dave1029: libxl seems to be reading the wrong libraries, it's loading  /usr/lib/libxenguest.so.4.2
2013-09-09 18:04:02  it should be 4.3
2013-09-09 18:07:16  OK... just did an edge update, and then rebooted.
2013-09-09 18:08:10  Dave1029: could you paste the output of ls /usr/lib/
2013-09-09 18:08:47  royger: i did --prefix=/usr on the APKBUILD per the release notes
2013-09-09 18:09:02  kaniini: yes, saw that, it should be OK
2013-09-09 18:09:09  wait
2013-09-09 18:09:13  Dave1029 made a custom build of xen
2013-09-09 18:09:18  maybe some of his packages are pinned
2013-09-09 18:09:45  Good memory, friend... but on this one, it was a straight install
2013-09-09 18:11:42  Didn't want to introduce some of my "stuff"
2013-09-09 18:15:00  https://gist.github.com/dave1029/6499398
2013-09-09 18:15:18  ls /usr/lib
2013-09-09 20:12:08  Dave1029: apk info -W /usr/lib/libxenctrl.so.4.2.0
2013-09-09 20:14:21  owned by xen-libs-4.2.2-r6
2013-09-09 20:27:39  ya
2013-09-09 20:27:43  xen-libs is held back
2013-09-09 20:27:55  how did you upgrade
2013-09-09 20:29:03  I changed v2.6 in /etc/apk/repositories to edge and then apk update and apk upgrade...
2013-09-09 20:29:40  That is in main.  I left testing commented out
2013-09-09 20:30:14  do
2013-09-09 20:30:19  apk upgrade --available
2013-09-09 20:30:27  your xen stack is hosed
2013-09-09 20:30:28  lol
2013-09-09 20:31:45  I will load from scratch and do --available.  I did it several times before my post...
2013-09-09 20:31:54  So I will:
2013-09-09 20:32:00  load 2.6.4
2013-09-09 20:32:12  change /etc/apk repositories to edge
2013-09-09 20:32:20  then apk upgrade --available
2013-09-09 20:36:05  I finished.  Upgrade acted different.  It upgraded quite a few more packages.  Before I reboot, I xl list (fine), and xl info (fine)
2013-09-09 20:36:22  Then I reboot and I get same error
2013-09-09 20:36:36  xl info tells me that I have 4.3.0
2013-09-09 20:38:23  ls /usr/lib has libxenguest.so.4.2.0
2013-09-09 20:39:28  apk info -W /usr/lib/libxenctrl.so.4.2.0 is owned by xen-libs-4.2.2-r6
2013-09-09 20:40:02  Gotta go get the boys from cross country practice.
2013-09-10 04:32:41  Moinmoin
2013-09-10 04:59:09  I love how easy the upgrade process is...  Thanks developers
2013-09-10 08:33:28  Dave1029: did you solve your problem with Xen?
2013-09-10 11:08:05  royger:  No didn't
2013-09-10 11:13:33  Dave1029: can you check if a xenstore-ls  still works?
2013-09-10 11:15:51  xenstore-ls gives me information like xenstored = "", local ="" etc.
2013-09-10 11:16:14  It also gives name = "Domain-0" and state = "running"
2013-09-10 11:20:04  ok
2013-09-10 11:20:11  i just wondered if it would even still work
2013-09-10 11:20:15  since you got a permissions error
2013-09-10 11:20:39  did you try the strace (i'd try strace -e open,write xl info)
2013-09-10 11:20:42  err
2013-09-10 11:20:48  strace -f -e open,write xl info
2013-09-10 11:20:55  (-f to get child processes)
2013-09-10 11:21:08  Dave1029: you surely have a wring version of the xen-libs package, your libraries should end in 4.3, not 4.2
2013-09-10 11:21:16  ah!
2013-09-10 11:21:31  I've just checked the contents of the xen-libs package, and libraries indeed end with 4.3
2013-09-10 11:22:09  maybe there's something wrong with your mirror?
2013-09-10 11:22:25  Sorry... I simply downloaded and installed Alpine 2.6.4 when it came out, all was well, except it was 4.2.x X
2013-09-10 11:22:31  ...Xen.
2013-09-10 11:22:38  weren't you using 4.3?
2013-09-10 11:23:11  could you print the list of xen related packages that you have installed on your system?
2013-09-10 11:23:21  When 4.3.0 ended up in edge, I only changed my /etc/apk/repositories from v2.6 to edge and apk update and apk upgrade
2013-09-10 11:23:43  I didn't install any extra xen related packages.  This is a stock alpine build
2013-09-10 11:24:02  I will try a different mirror
2013-09-10 11:24:31  When I install Alpine, I use the "f" option to find the fastest mirror.  I'll check to see which mirror it is using
2013-09-10 11:25:16  I wasn't testing/using 4.3 until it showed up in edge.
2013-09-10 11:28:05  I don't know the exact runes to print the list of installed packages, but could you print that and grep for xen? I'm interested in the version of those packages
2013-09-10 11:29:30  I will later this morning.  Got to act as delivery man for the kids right now.  Thanks for your help
2013-09-10 11:30:14  np, see you later
2013-09-10 12:28:34  https://gist.github.com/dave1029/6508700
2013-09-10 12:28:39  Result of apk search xen
2013-09-10 12:28:54  for Royger
2013-09-10 13:10:16  you do not have xen-libs-4.3.0-r0 installed
2013-09-10 13:10:17  you have 4.2.2-r6
2013-09-10 13:10:52  what does /etc/apk/world look like
2013-09-10 13:44:24  https://gist.github.com/dave1029/6509593
2013-09-10 13:44:28  /etc/apk/world
2013-09-10 13:47:11  So, even though apk search xen tells me I have xen-libs-4.3.0-r1 (it has it there several times, I notice), 4.2.2-r6 are what are actually installed?
2013-09-10 13:50:27  Dave1029: i think apk info gives your installed one
2013-09-10 13:50:42  do you by chance have edge *and* main in your repos?
2013-09-10 13:57:13  In my /etc/apk/repositories, I changed http://mirrors.gigenet.com/alpinelinux/v2.6/main to http://mirrors.gigenet.com/alpinelinux/edge/main
2013-09-10 13:57:44  As per the doc on updating to edge.  Is that wrong?
2013-09-10 13:57:52  I mean, am I wrong?
2013-09-10 13:58:23  nah thats OK i was just being unclear
2013-09-10 13:59:44  TY
2013-09-10 14:00:28  BTW, this is pretty low on my list right now, so no hurry (on my account) to all that are interested and helping
2013-09-10 14:00:41  I just love working on Alpine/Xen stuff
2013-09-10 14:58:05  I love it too!
2013-09-10 15:26:31  also, apk info -W /usr/lib/libxenctrl.so.4.2.0
2013-09-10 15:26:40  it should fail
2013-09-10 15:26:42  if you're on 4.3
2013-09-10 15:31:25  shafire: are you running flashcache already? i'll rebuild my @home server soon, either one of the next nights or on the weekend
2013-09-10 15:31:38  i have two ssd's set aside for it
2013-09-10 15:40:19  yes
2013-09-10 15:40:28  Which mode do you want to use?
2013-09-10 15:41:23  kaniini:  /usr/lib/libxenctrl.so.4.2.0is owned by xen-libs-4.2.2-r6
2013-09-10 15:41:35  yeah
2013-09-10 15:41:37  uhm
2013-09-10 15:41:39  do
2013-09-10 15:41:51  apk del xen-libs; apk add xen-libs
2013-09-10 15:41:54  or perhaps
2013-09-10 15:41:56  apk fix xen-libs
2013-09-10 15:43:11  how can a testing apk become main?
2013-09-10 15:44:01  apk del xen-libs results in "World updated, but the following packages are not removed due to: xen-libs: xen xen xen xen xen xen xen xxen xen xen
2013-09-10 15:44:12  xxen?
2013-09-10 15:44:41  sorry, misspelled
2013-09-10 15:44:45  ...just xen
2013-09-10 15:45:12  shafire: i think readonly, then a raid0 of both ssds
2013-09-10 15:45:27  but my disks are really slow so, idk...
2013-09-10 15:45:37  but i have samsung ssds
2013-09-10 15:45:44  so i should really not use writeback
2013-09-10 15:45:54  i need to make a big fat sticker somewhere
2013-09-10 15:45:57  "DONT"
2013-09-10 15:46:02  apk add xen-libs doesn't do anything
2013-09-10 15:46:19  Dave1029: apk upgrade xen-libs (idk of that works)
2013-09-10 15:47:34  darkfader:  same as apk add xen-libs - nothing
2013-09-10 15:48:40  apk fix xen-libs gives me a (1/1) [APK unavailable, skipped] Reinstalling xen-libs (4.2.2-r6)
2013-09-10 15:49:15  darkfader: writethrough or writearound?
2013-09-10 16:03:57  gotta go
2013-09-10 16:04:00  see you later
2013-09-10 20:39:29  hmm, now could be good time to distract myself by reinstalling this server that worked nicely for a long time
2013-09-10 21:26:22  How do you make a root CA in Alpine? is it the same as other distros?
2013-09-10 23:26:00  getting stuff like this on a fresh upgrade to edge
2013-09-10 23:26:10  and fresh 2.6.4 before that
2013-09-10 23:26:11  dave0002:~# apk add libvirt-xen
2013-09-10 23:26:11  ERROR: unsatisfiable constraints:
2013-09-10 23:26:11    so:libxenctrl.so.4.2 (missing):
2013-09-10 23:26:11      required by: libvirt-xen-1.1.2-r0[so:libxenctrl.so.4.2]
2013-09-10 23:26:35  i tried switching to a different mirror, too
2013-09-10 23:26:48  but it seems different from what Dave had
2013-09-10 23:26:56  still, also still pointing at a 4.2 lib
2013-09-10 23:27:33  i'll try to get around the stupid libvirt
2013-09-10 23:35:06  AHA
2013-09-10 23:35:30  it's libvirt-xen fucking everything
2013-09-10 23:35:30  gimme a sec
2013-09-10 23:35:30  i'll fix it
2013-09-10 23:40:09  kaniini: dont hurry or worry
2013-09-10 23:40:44  kaniini: i'm so totally amazed that i could go back to 2.6
2013-09-10 23:41:01  one more point for apk
2013-09-10 23:41:06  or a star
2013-09-10 23:41:23  it just needs a revbump
2013-09-10 23:41:57  yeah i figured, but i better finish up in the next 5 minutes or so, its almost 2am
2013-09-10 23:45:00  i can test again tomorrow, also need to sort that this thing really boots off usb, it still wants to boot off the raid. and the sata link speed for the ssd's is wrong. and i bet i'll find a dozen more tiny icky things :)
2013-09-10 23:45:24  and the guy next to me is training piano now
2013-09-11 11:08:56  ncopa: i think there's one more lost commit (for check_mk) in addition to cfengine, can oyu let me know if you have time to search?
2013-09-11 11:09:03  s/if/when/
2013-09-11 11:09:04  sorry
2013-09-11 11:12:49  hi darkfader
2013-09-11 11:13:08  where is the lost commit?
2013-09-11 11:13:14  in my emai linbox?
2013-09-11 11:13:19  email inbox*
2013-09-11 11:13:38  on the devel list
2013-09-11 11:13:53  do you want the commit id or the date of the mail?
2013-09-11 11:17:11  subject search keywords
2013-09-11 11:17:51  oki
2013-09-11 11:17:52  Subject: [alpine-devel] testing/cfengine Patch for Patch, add coreutils as depency and fix a little error in patch
2013-09-11 11:17:55  that one?
2013-09-11 11:18:11  that one is also good but no
2013-09-11 11:18:15  just a sec
2013-09-11 11:18:19  $boss is in the office :)
2013-09-11 11:19:18  nevermind i can't find it either
2013-09-11 11:19:22  kill me.
2013-09-11 11:19:29  i'll check and resend tonight
2013-09-11 11:26:58  Want me to test 4.3.0 Xen again?
2013-09-11 12:01:23  Dave1029: there was a fix to the libvirt-xen package very short time ago
2013-09-11 12:01:37  you'd need to check if its updated on the mirrors
2013-09-11 12:10:09  i tried to install the flashcache modules but seems i'm too stupid
2013-09-11 12:10:22  on v2.6, i see them in apk search but
2013-09-11 12:10:40  apk add flashcache-grsec@testing gives a dependency issue
2013-09-11 12:10:47  maybe i need edge for the newer kernel
2013-09-11 12:10:52  my brain isn't around
2013-09-11 12:40:12  darkfader:  In early, and to bed late...  What was the deal about the piano?
2013-09-11 12:41:05  oh, my neighours started practicing their instruments at 2am when i had just given up poking at my server
2013-09-11 12:41:34  WTF?  Nice neighbor's...
2013-09-11 12:42:22  normally i really enjoy it
2013-09-11 12:42:29  but that was a bit late and i was a bit tired
2013-09-11 12:43:36  Yeah, we have a winery about a mile away from us on the other side of the lake and they have weddings, etc. and sometimes it goes past midnight.  Nice music at 9PM, but much later and people get grumpy
2013-09-11 12:44:04  Just reloaded and re-edged.
2013-09-11 12:44:29  lets see :)
2013-09-11 12:44:30  Same problem... but the revbump may not have migrated yet to repo?
2013-09-11 12:44:46  thats what i meant
2013-09-11 12:44:53  Yep... NP
2013-09-11 12:44:54  check on the mirror if the file age updated
2013-09-11 12:45:16  How to do?
2013-09-11 12:46:12  open in browser
2013-09-11 12:46:13  :)
2013-09-11 12:46:27  Easy enough
2013-09-11 12:46:58  11-Sep-2013 06:06
2013-09-11 12:54:13  that should be a already "bumped" one, 4 hours after kaniini looked into it
2013-09-11 12:54:22  but you were having a different error anyway
2013-09-11 13:07:06  Right... just hopeful.
2013-09-11 13:08:15  Not a big deal.  As I mentioned, this is rather low on my list right now.  I would like to test Spice/QXL and they are working towards some cool things and have included them (or are getting close) in Xen 4.3.0
2013-09-11 13:10:14  For what I do, PCI passthrough solves a bunch of things in Xen, but it requires some specific video cards and it is hard to pass through single USB devices (although easy to pass through the USB associated with a specific PCI slot).  4.3.0 allows for easy individual passthrough of USB
2013-09-11 13:11:47  So my hope is to be able to use spice/QXL for 3D without PCI passthrough on multiseat VM's, AND use the new usb passthrough to capture specific USB keyboards/mice associated with the individual VM's
2013-09-11 18:36:19  hi
2013-09-11 18:36:29  darkfader: are you using already flashcache?
2013-09-11 18:37:33  shafire: no couldnt install it when i tried today
2013-09-11 18:37:46  i'll go with writethrough not writearound this time
2013-09-11 18:37:57  i did use writearound and writeback in earlier times
2013-09-11 18:38:16  but i wont use writeback
2013-09-11 18:38:52  you could not install it because of?
2013-09-11 18:39:17  I am using writethrough
2013-09-11 18:52:01  because i'm still running 2.6, i need to retry updating to edge later
2013-09-11 18:52:32  there was a dependency issue in xen/libvirt-xen
2013-09-11 18:54:25  i hate this fucking libvirt dependencies
2013-09-11 18:56:41  ok i'll not manage to do anything aobut this today
2013-09-11 18:57:09  or i'll axe my server and then head out to find the libvirt devs next
2013-09-11 20:34:33  alpine-x86-64:~$ sudo apk add libgomp@edge gcc-gnat@edge ERROR: 2 unsatisfiable dependencies:   gcc-gnat-4.8.1-r2: libgomp=4.8.1-r2
2013-09-11 20:34:36  whats wrong?
2013-09-11 20:50:08  it pulls a version different from 4.8.1-r2 for this gomp thing
2013-09-11 20:50:45  btw do you have an init script for flashcache already?
2013-09-11 20:51:01  or how do you activate the device on boot?
2013-09-11 20:53:14  I do it by hand at moment (heh). I really need a init script, but had no time to create one
2013-09-11 20:53:28  we should create one and ship it with the package
2013-09-11 20:54:10  alpine-x86-64:~$ sudo apk add libgomp@edge OK: 588 MiB in 97 packages
2013-09-11 20:54:14  I can't fix it :(
2013-09-11 20:56:11  on shutdown, it should also be removed
2013-09-11 20:56:29  (talking about the flashcache stuff)
2013-09-11 21:23:02  i'll keep it in mind
2013-09-11 21:23:11  i should write it this week i guess
2013-09-11 21:23:17  before i "rack" the server again
2013-09-11 21:23:41  do you have a rack at home?
2013-09-11 21:24:24  no, thats why the quotas
2013-09-11 21:24:30  it sits on top of a shelf
2013-09-11 21:24:40  not now but normally
2013-09-11 21:25:07  i still gotta fix the bonding issue i see at boot and the sata link speed
2013-09-11 21:25:15  after that it can go back to its place
2013-09-11 21:25:46  running 4.3.0 xen now btw, but without the libvirt package for now
2013-09-11 21:26:58  I should not update to xen 4.3 ... looks broken :S
2013-09-11 21:29:29  those tiny issues will soon be gone :)
2013-09-11 21:29:53  my big goal with all these changes is being able to have tmem ram compression at home
2013-09-11 21:30:28  like. all the wild features put to full use
2013-09-11 21:32:26   Couldn't remount RDWR because of unprocessed orphan inode list.  Please umount/remount instead
2013-09-11 21:32:32  ext is such a shitty fs
2013-09-11 21:34:16  hrhr:
2013-09-11 21:34:17  xen44:~# touch /forcefsck
2013-09-11 21:34:17  touch: cannot touch '/forcefsck': Read-only file system
2013-09-11 21:34:26  that was me falling for it :)
2013-09-11 21:35:46  still noone know which package has kpartx?
2013-09-11 21:35:52  I will use xfs
2013-09-11 21:35:54  What will you use?
2013-09-11 21:36:07  my data is on xfs
2013-09-11 21:36:16  other stuff might be ext4
2013-09-11 21:36:23  like, if i didn't think about it
2013-09-11 21:36:29  and root is also ext4 normally
2013-09-11 21:36:46  i wanna make a script that enables the safer settings for ext4
2013-09-11 21:36:58  like block_validity and error=panic
2013-09-11 21:37:17  shafire: but really, all stuff that i value, i got on xfs (and on backup hehe)
2013-09-11 21:38:05  hwo to fsck if you dont have kpartx:
2013-09-11 21:38:05  dave0002:~# xl block-attach vfile phy:/dev/vgxen_raid10/xen44_root xvdg
2013-09-11 21:38:08  ....
2013-09-11 21:39:46  hrhr updating from local mirror is nice
2013-09-11 21:40:05  the bbu on the controller isn't even charged yet
2013-09-11 21:40:07  done
2013-09-11 21:49:04  hmm the corruption showed up in a second vm
2013-09-11 21:49:12  i'll stop for today
2013-09-11 21:49:58  okay
2013-09-11 21:50:08  I will go to bed now ;)
2013-09-11 21:50:13  gute nacht
2013-09-11 21:50:18  n8
2013-09-12 05:33:18  moin
2013-09-12 08:36:38  shafire: so i definitely had fs corruption in two vms yesterday. if you're running flashcache already, what mode do you use, and if not, keep an eye on it when you start testing
2013-09-12 08:36:58  it usually showed after a apk upgrade -a ; sync ; reboot by the root fs not being mountable
2013-09-12 08:37:37  my gut feeling is that the reboot is too fast hehe
2013-09-12 08:39:04  darkfader: okay, I will
2013-09-12 08:39:23  I am using the writethrough mode
2013-09-12 08:49:06  oh the new xendomains script is nice, idk when it was updated
2013-09-12 08:49:18  it figures it doesnt have to stop vms that aren't running :)
2013-09-12 08:50:37  and there's now a screen with the dom0 xen console, or parts thereof
2013-09-12 08:50:40  interesting stuff
2013-09-12 09:04:16  just found out what i'll do tonight
2013-09-12 09:04:16  Kernel BUG at drivers/xen/blkfront/blkfront.c:595
2013-09-12 09:04:51  i thought i was gonna have a beer
2013-09-12 09:09:03  :-)
2013-09-12 09:13:48  darkfader: what kernel version?
2013-09-12 09:15:26  2.6.18-348.12.1.0.1.el5xen - happens due to an incomplete pvmove
2013-09-12 09:15:38  but i don't think it should trigger a panic on the vbd
2013-09-12 09:15:44  this is not the blkfront path of upstream kernels, it should be drivers/block/xen-blkfront.c
2013-09-12 09:15:46  (pvmove was *in* the vm)
2013-09-12 09:16:01  ah, ok, the classic ones
2013-09-12 09:16:24  I got scared that one of my recent blkfrotn changes triggered this
2013-09-12 09:16:33  ah no worry
2013-09-12 09:16:47  i'm also sure it'll be fixable by making the fs in question work
2013-09-12 09:16:58  it's still disgusting but wasn't you :)
2013-09-12 09:17:09  then np hehehe
2013-09-12 09:22:26  there's a *maintained* version of the 2.6.18 classic xen kernel in http://xenbits.xen.org/hg/linux-2.6.18-xen.hg/
2013-09-12 09:22:58  you might want to do a quick comparison between your blkfront and this one, maybe there has been some fixes in this area
2013-09-12 15:11:13  Hello guys
2013-09-12 15:11:45  i'm having trouble setting up alpine-xen with libvirtd
2013-09-12 15:11:55  i'm getting this error starting libvirtd:
2013-09-12 15:11:56  warning : virGetHostname:2311 : getaddrinfo failed for 'swarmqueen': Bad value for ai_flags
2013-09-12 15:13:06  can someone shed some light?
2013-09-12 15:18:43  m0ikz: is your hostname and reverse set up ok?
2013-09-12 15:19:30  i have only loopback configurer on /etc/hosts
2013-09-12 15:19:41  and dns?
2013-09-12 15:19:47  do i have to configure the lan ip too?
2013-09-12 15:19:53  since it gives a name resolution error
2013-09-12 15:20:23  well if i do a nslookup i can resolv the localhost
2013-09-12 15:21:49  i configured the eth interface and a bridge on the alpine setup
2013-09-12 15:22:00  maybe libvirtd doesn't like the birdge?
2013-09-12 15:22:06  bridge*
2013-09-12 15:25:08  afaik you can ignore that error.
2013-09-12 15:28:21  true
2013-09-12 15:28:32  i only had to enable libvirtd to listen on tcp
2013-09-12 15:28:34  thanks!
2013-09-12 15:28:44  now i have to enable the xen driver on libvirt
2013-09-12 19:23:32  hi darkfader
2013-09-12 19:23:36  how is it going?
2013-09-12 19:23:54  mmmh
2013-09-12 19:24:07  no more fs issues so far
2013-09-12 19:24:35  i doing final stitches of adjusting the vm configs to be how xen4 needs them
2013-09-12 19:25:22  the host itself still has some points i do in /etc/rc.local right now
2013-09-12 19:29:07  how about you
2013-09-12 19:33:32  anything against doing it?
2013-09-12 19:33:32  I want to use xfs in my vms too
2013-09-12 19:36:29  so my btrfs raid1 storage fs needs to have "btrfs device scan" done before it's mountable. where's the correct place to do so in alpine?
2013-09-12 19:40:10  is btrfs more a storage fs?
2013-09-12 19:41:40  I use it for my root fs (including /boot), and for reliable storage.
2013-09-12 19:42:45  mh, wikipedia says no
2013-09-12 19:43:02  so, for everything btrfs?
2013-09-12 19:43:07  (and why not xfs?)
2013-09-12 19:43:36  it's a general purpose filesystem with some very nice features.
2013-09-12 19:44:15  the killer feature for me is data integrity
2013-09-12 19:45:29  it has checksumming of both metadata and data, and if the storage system allows for it - it will also fix errors if it finds any
2013-09-12 19:47:00  xfs only provides metadata checksumming. I'd probably be looking at a way to get zfs if I didn't go for btrfs
2013-09-12 19:49:18  Ok, I will try btrfs then
2013-09-12 19:49:33  make an informed decision.
2013-09-12 19:49:59  there's plenty of good filesystems out there, just because it's the right one for me doesn't mean it's right for you
2013-09-12 19:52:21  I probably wanted to use xfs, but need to check out btrfs for now
2013-09-12 19:57:56  what does your storage hardware look like? there's not a lot of reason to go for a filesystem with data checksumming & error correction if you don't have hardware that lets you make use of it
2013-09-12 19:58:53  (and even then... it's not always needed. there's some protection in place already with regular drives)
2013-09-12 19:59:16  http://serverfault.com/questions/77710/is-bit-rot-on-hard-drives-a-real-problem-what-can-be-done-about-it
2013-09-12 20:00:52  I have only 2x sata3 hdds and 1 ssd with flashcache
2013-09-12 20:03:11  if the plan is to mirror them somehow, that's kinda the smallest setup that'll let you do error detection and correction.
2013-09-12 20:03:54  but yeah, do some research and find out what makes sense for you. xfs is a very nice filesystem, it could be the right one for you and your useage
2013-09-12 20:05:59  yeah, the hdds are in raid1
2013-09-12 20:07:23  but there not many fs out there, or?
2013-09-12 20:07:29  ext, xfs, btrfs and zfs
2013-09-12 20:08:26  I want to have a server-grade filesystem
2013-09-12 20:09:31  personally I've used ext2, ext3, ext4, jfs, reiser3, reiser4 in the past, and I'm moving to btrfs and and refs
2013-09-12 20:11:07  if server-grade is your goal, you pretty much just have ext4 and xfs, (zfs on bsd/openindiana) and btrfs is... getting there
2013-09-12 20:13:16  http://zfsonlinux.org/ ?
2013-09-12 20:14:47  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ZFS#Linux
2013-09-12 20:16:04  "A native port of ZFS for Linux produced by the Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory (LLNL) was released in March 2013."
2013-09-12 20:16:25  shafire: i think it depends on definition of server-grade
2013-09-12 20:16:27  sure, there's ways to get it on linux
2013-09-12 20:16:32  zfs on a solaris fileservre is servergrade
2013-09-12 20:16:50  zfs on linux is a port that is only even considered for every short time
2013-09-12 20:16:53  *stable
2013-09-12 20:17:11  but they'll need years of proven reliability to be considered equal to zfs on platforms where there's no license bullshit getting in the way of the real deal
2013-09-12 20:17:18  you can use it in a server. but its not "server-grade" just because of that
2013-09-12 20:18:18  mh, yes, this is true...
2013-09-12 20:20:00  look at history, and you'll see a trend when it comes to enterprise-ready filesystems
2013-09-12 20:21:33  years of development backed by someone big. something that gives a reason to use it over other etablished enterprise filesystems. and... yeah, things move slowly
2013-09-12 20:28:02  rudd-o.com/linux-and-free-software/ways-in-which-zfs-is-better-than-btrfs :(
2013-09-12 20:28:35  http://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/rjh5q/why_zfs_continues_to_be_better_than_btrfs :)
2013-09-12 20:32:17  Ok, need more time to read
2013-09-12 20:32:17  thanks guys
2013-09-12 20:39:32  be wary of people with an obvious bias though.
2013-09-12 20:40:27  you should find the right filesystem for what *you* do.
2013-09-12 21:58:24  n8@all
2013-09-12 23:38:25  Speaking of zfs, it would be great if zfs wound up back in edge soon. ;-)
2013-09-13 00:03:41  Is the alpine-xen.iso released on 09-03-2013 the first one of these? I did not see anything earlier in the archive, but I may have missed it. I was looking to see whether there might have been an 32-bit version also released.
2013-09-13 00:08:47  xen is no longer supported on 32-bit hypervisors
2013-09-13 00:16:41  sure it is. you got some bad information about that.
2013-09-13 00:24:01  more to the point, however, is back to my question about the existence of any earlier versions of the Alpine-Xen.iso. Has anyone seen one, or is there any documentation related to this project available. Any links to said docs would be welcome.
2013-09-13 00:29:25  guestX: no, it's not.
2013-09-13 00:30:07  guestX: it was deprecated in xen 4.0
2013-09-13 00:30:22  guestX: and, entirely removed between xen 4.3.0-rc2 and 4.3.0
2013-09-13 00:32:11  guestX: anyway, alpine itself has never shipped an alpine-xen iso on 32-bit.
2013-09-13 00:43:57  kaniini, thanks for the info about Alpine-Xen. Nonetheless, your statements about 32-bit support are still incorrect, quite. Take a look on this page, http://wiki.xen.org/wiki/Xen_FAQ_Compatibility, in particular the section entitled "Which architectures does Xen support?"
2013-09-13 00:44:09  uhhuh
2013-09-13 00:44:43  http://wiki.xen.org/wiki/Xen_4.3_Release_Notes
2013-09-13 00:44:46  how about you read that
2013-09-13 00:44:49  specifically:
2013-09-13 00:44:56   Other changes
2013-09-13 00:44:58      Support for x86 32-bit and ia64 (itanium) hypervisors has been removed. 32bit VMs, including 32bit dom0, are still supported on the x86_64 64bit hypervisor.
2013-09-13 00:45:27  the x86-64 hypervisor requires an x86-64 cpu, and x86-64 toolchain
2013-09-13 00:45:36  which are not shipped in alpine xen 32-bit
2013-09-13 00:45:40  erm -xen
2013-09-13 00:48:10  this point is not disputed: "the x86-64 hypervisor requires an x86-64 cpu, and x86-64 toolchain". But that is not to say that 32-bit hypervisors will not run on 32-bit cpu.
2013-09-13 00:51:52  and this point, "which are not shipped in alpine xen 32-bit," was already settled when you said that " alpine itself has never shipped an alpine-xen iso on 32-bit."
2013-09-13 00:52:58  But your point in the link was duly noted. Thanks for that info too. :)
2013-09-13 00:55:01  Apparently some of the Linux distributions are a tad bit behind the edge of the bubble because they have 32-bit versions readily available currently.
2013-09-13 00:56:17  So while Xen.org may not any longer be making 32-bit versions, Linux proper is surely keeping it up for users.
2013-09-13 00:58:12  We are fortunate that technology moves in ebbs and flows, now one way and then another, so that we "always" seem to have options.  And options are a good thing, indeed.
2013-09-13 01:00:00  i expect linux 32-bit dom0 to be dropped soon upstream, actually.
2013-09-13 01:00:19  I wonder whether there are any plans for Alpine to continue working on a Xen project in the future? Again, I have not seen much in the way of documentation or discussions online regarding this.
2013-09-13 01:08:45  kaniini: can you tell me anything about whether there is any way to make use of a Linux appliance in OVF format as a guest in Xen? The only thing I have found in connection with this problem is a product, for example, from here:  http://www.xenserver.org/overview-xenserver-open-source-virtualization/download.html
2013-09-13 01:10:50  I have not found anything describing a means to import OVF appliances, or one of its related formats, into a guest as domU. What do you know about this sort of problem?
2013-09-13 01:15:03  guestX: we do not support it in alpine
2013-09-13 01:15:44  importing appliances is not supported, you mean?
2013-09-13 01:28:17  yes
2013-09-13 01:30:20  kaniini: thanks for your time and the information about Alpine's offerings.
2013-09-13 07:29:52  Kabaka: i enabled zfs again in edge
2013-09-13 08:27:58  ncopa: would it build/install (zfs)?
2013-09-13 08:28:11  would be an interesting option for my home box
2013-09-13 08:46:43  darkfader: try it and let me know.
2013-09-13 08:46:59  I have had issues with it before, but i remember somebody said it was working ok.
2013-09-13 08:47:02  clandmeter: oki, i'll fire up a build now, idk when i can test installing
2013-09-13 08:47:33  usually i still fail at the "use the packages i built" stage :)
2013-09-13 08:47:41  i remember zdb has issues
2013-09-13 08:48:54  the xenconsole on my buildvm has issues too ^^
2013-09-13 08:48:57  rah.
2013-09-13 08:50:56  should i try zfs-git-grsec or zfs-grsec?
2013-09-13 08:51:39  ah. there's still some packges i built last time in zfs-git-grsec, suppose that's the one
2013-09-13 08:52:26  no. that has no APKBUILD anymore
2013-09-13 11:11:18  hi
2013-09-13 11:22:04  shafire: there's been one more interesting thing
2013-09-13 11:22:13  which one?
2013-09-13 11:22:16  some of the vm startups hang
2013-09-13 11:22:22  then i kill like on of them
2013-09-13 11:22:28  and then the other ones continue
2013-09-13 11:22:51  oh... do you know why?
2013-09-13 11:23:09  no, not at all, there's nothing in xl dmesg or the other logs i looked at
2013-09-13 11:23:20  after the wekeend ishold know
2013-09-13 11:23:39  it even happened on my prod box when i upgraded it (it was on 2.4 i think)
2013-09-13 11:24:01  and one other thing, if you apk upgrade xen to a newer version it can be that xl segfaults
2013-09-13 11:24:16  i logged into the vms pre reboot to shut them down
2013-09-13 11:24:38  i think it'll need to be mmapped or something so it's not overwritten prior to reboot
2013-09-13 11:24:54  alternatively, one needs to do the update during a downtime and not ahead of time
2013-09-13 11:26:55  ah okay
2013-09-13 12:08:14  shafire: actually, i'd tend to agree there's still a few hickups in 4.3.0 xen
2013-09-13 12:08:28  just trying xl console 
2013-09-13 12:08:29  hangs
2013-09-13 12:08:43  disconnect doesn't do anything either
2013-09-13 12:11:18  so the most basic stuff of vm management seems to be pretty unstable now. of course it might be *some* issue with me or my two totally different servers, and i don't give a damn since it all worked fine on a ovm2 and alpine 2.4 setup :)
2013-09-13 12:11:41  can't debug till after work :/
2013-09-13 12:18:46  :\ :(
2013-09-13 12:54:22  clandmeter: zfs build OK
2013-09-13 12:57:03  which zfs build?
2013-09-13 12:59:23  darkfader: build?
2013-09-13 12:59:34  but does it run ok?
2013-09-13 13:04:52  Could I ask, which databases you prefer?
2013-09-13 13:08:34  shafire: who are you asking?
2013-09-13 13:09:41  all of you
2013-09-13 13:17:48  clandmeter: i didn't have time to test it yet
2013-09-13 13:18:33  ok, try the zdb cmd
2013-09-13 13:18:45  look if it works
2013-09-13 13:18:48  it didnt for me.
2013-09-13 13:23:37  which zfs do you mean?
2013-09-13 13:24:51  zfs-grsec
2013-09-13 13:31:48  clandmeter: i noted, i just need time to do it. might be weeks.
2013-09-13 13:38:29  It appears that upgrading to edge now allows xl list and the other commands that didn't work for me earlier in the week, to now work.
2013-09-13 13:38:30  t
2013-09-13 13:38:46  yes
2013-09-13 13:38:52  libvirt was breaking you
2013-09-13 13:39:00  TY
2013-09-13 13:39:14  Just reporting in...
2013-09-13 13:47:35  so, the fs zfs should be possible on alpine?
2013-09-13 13:56:52  sure. why wouldn't it be possible?
2013-09-13 13:58:36  I didn't know it...
2013-09-13 14:02:26  be carefull when thinking about things in edge (or not even there) though. just because something is possible through some thinkering, doesn't mean it's a good idea
2013-09-13 14:10:36  I am using flashcache and that apk is in testing :)
2013-09-13 14:10:49  I really don't know, which fs to use at moment
2013-09-13 14:11:06  if in doubt, you can't go wrong with xfs
2013-09-13 14:13:45  Yesterday, I talked about xfs - what I really meant was zfs.
2013-09-13 14:14:01  I used OpenSolaris with zfs (some years ago)
2013-09-13 14:14:24  So I mixed up the two filesystems...
2013-09-13 14:14:46  ACTION don't know xfs...
2013-09-13 14:16:04  it's great. look into it! awesome performance, and it's an old and proven enterprise filesystem.
2013-09-13 14:21:37  actually, xfs is an adult this year i think
2013-09-13 14:21:51  at least in countries where you need to be 18
2013-09-13 14:22:10  lemme check
2013-09-13 14:22:31  ah, no irix 6.5.0 was 1998
2013-09-13 14:22:40  damn
2013-09-13 14:27:55  mh, I read xfs up
2013-09-13 14:28:03  I will give it a try :)
2013-09-13 14:39:58  i'm using xfs on 20 TB volume
2013-09-13 14:40:17  it never let me down since /years/
2013-09-13 14:41:07  and the coolest thing is that you can grow it without dismounting it
2013-09-13 14:41:38  so LVM+XFS is a win
2013-09-13 14:42:32  sounds great
2013-09-13 15:02:18  rnalrd: 20 TB volume in RAID?
2013-09-13 15:03:04  For raid, I am using mdadm? I saw, that btrfs has own raid functionality
2013-09-13 15:03:53  xfs is nice
2013-09-13 15:04:23  I still use it on our iscsi
2013-09-13 15:04:24  isn't xfs really unsecure with erites?
2013-09-13 15:04:28  writes
2013-09-13 15:04:45  what's wrong with ext4 - i don't get this
2013-09-13 15:04:46  but you cannot compare zfs with xfs
2013-09-13 15:04:51  its a whole other animal
2013-09-13 15:04:55  clandmeter: ofc
2013-09-13 15:05:05  clandmeter: not even btrfs comes close to zfs
2013-09-13 15:05:14  xfs works better with larger files
2013-09-13 15:05:26  clandmeter: it's not worth the compromised integrity
2013-09-13 15:05:28  afaik
2013-09-13 15:05:56  on linux i always use ext4 - if i need reliability i work with journal=data
2013-09-13 15:05:57  my iscsi is running for 2 years now, never had 1 hickup
2013-09-13 15:06:26  i always put my ext4 on mdraid - lvm is overcomplicated shit
2013-09-13 15:07:05  if i need more reliablity i use freebsd with zfs - i've started using iscsi recently for my virtualbox and it works flawlessly
2013-09-13 15:12:33  XFS works really well for me
2013-09-13 15:13:38  kaniini: i prefer data integrity over speed
2013-09-13 15:16:20  Looked at FreeBSD, no flashcache and xen :-(
2013-09-13 15:17:10  eto: I am using LVM for my XEN guests.
2013-09-13 15:18:08  shafire: well you can still use freebsd box with zfs as iscsi target
2013-09-13 15:29:39  shafire, hw raid, not mdadm
2013-09-13 15:53:00  eto: unless you mount with block_validity, ext4 has no concept of data integrity at all
2013-09-13 16:50:37  I am using softraid
2013-09-13 23:28:55  if anyone could test the following on a xen box for an hour i'd be highly interested:
2013-09-13 23:29:21  while true; do /etc/init.d/xendomains stop ; sleep 90 ; /etc/init.d/
2013-09-13 23:29:21  xendomains start ; sleep 90 ; done
2013-09-13 23:29:35  ofc it needs to be ok to shut down vms on that host
2013-09-13 23:30:05  what i see here is that you can't reliably get more than 2-3 cycles out of it till gets stuck on some vm
2013-09-13 23:46:09  turned off all "my kind of feature: features like tmem
2013-09-13 23:46:16  of course the issue is still there
2013-09-14 07:16:52  I read, that NTFS is like ZFS :D
2013-09-14 08:38:49  Hi
2013-09-14 09:44:49  hi
2013-09-14 09:45:32  If I run from tmpfs, should my usb stick have 2 partitions, first one for the setup-bootable and second for the lbu commits data?
2013-09-14 09:45:40  or can I have both in one partition?
2013-09-14 15:03:53  darkfader: might be true, but with journal=data it altleast journals both data and metadata, instead of just metadata
2013-09-15 01:06:10  Does Alpine support multilib?
2013-09-15 01:06:23  IE: running 32 bit progams on a 64 bit system
2013-09-15 01:45:50  nope
2013-09-15 02:53:25  kaniini: I take it you have to make a chroot or some shit?
2013-09-15 02:53:43  yeah
2013-09-15 02:53:45  pretty much
2013-09-15 02:53:57  uclibc multilib is fragile and a gigantic waste of time
2013-09-15 02:54:01  we may reevaluate with musl
2013-09-15 02:55:17  Do the ATI or nvidia drivers compile on Alpine?
2013-09-15 02:55:53  I'm really just wondering so I can see if it is worth my time trying to get Steam running
2013-09-15 02:56:32  how's the alpine linux ARM port coming along?
2013-09-15 02:58:35  bootable images have been made
2013-09-15 02:58:39  it is on real hardware
2013-09-15 02:58:42  oh nice
2013-09-15 02:59:02  it is however, not yet incorporated into the release process
2013-09-15 02:59:18  Take your time with it
2013-09-15 03:07:42  hnn
2013-09-15 03:07:43  hmm
2013-09-15 03:07:46  would alpine work on VIA?
2013-09-15 03:08:42  kaniini?
2013-09-15 03:09:28  yes
2013-09-15 03:09:38  great
2013-09-15 03:12:05  kaniini: I take it drivers would be accepted for making Alpine run on the parallela?
2013-09-15 03:12:14  yes
2013-09-15 03:12:26  Sweet.
2013-09-15 03:12:59  Looks like Heartmender and I are getting into driver dev
2013-09-15 03:14:44  is lavabit still working Sparklebutt?
2013-09-15 03:15:00  Mp5shooter: Do I look like the Snowden fairy?
2013-09-15 03:15:08  maybe
2013-09-15 03:15:14  <:~~~()
2013-09-15 03:15:34  I wish you had "mong" in your host here so my staticbox ignore worked
2013-09-15 03:15:40  pssh
2013-09-15 13:41:07  hi
2013-09-15 15:10:37  there's no build for i486/i586 right? you're missing out bifferboard, alix, and possibly few other embedded boards :-(
2013-09-15 15:17:38  ccxCZ, x86 iso is for i486 and up
2013-09-15 15:18:02  we know of alpine users running on Alix boards/Soekris
2013-09-15 15:18:38  ah okay then, I somehow assumed it's i686 and up
2013-09-15 15:18:51  nope
2013-09-15 15:20:29  good to know, thanks
2013-09-15 15:20:43  yw
2013-09-15 17:04:59  g'day
2013-09-16 06:28:41  help .. can`t upgrade anymore package manager says some error happened with packages, where this can be looked at to figure what coused the problem?
2013-09-16 06:34:13  hi
2013-09-16 06:34:19  what is the exact error message?
2013-09-16 06:34:30  which repos do you have?
2013-09-16 06:54:08  ncopa, edge and stable proper setup worked half of year ok
2013-09-16 06:55:06  sec I`ll retry and put here the error msg
2013-09-16 06:58:02  edge is always a bit risky
2013-09-16 06:58:10  as its there we do development
2013-09-16 07:00:01  yes I know but I wasn`t shure if this is specific to my box or... so I rather warned
2013-09-16 07:00:49  ok, thanks
2013-09-16 07:01:12  i'm interested in fixing it if its fixable :)
2013-09-16 07:03:03  I`ll help as much time permits .. (grr still waiting to mycloud sync finish to be able to reboot if necessary)
2013-09-16 07:13:03  finished :) I`ll recreate the problem now
2013-09-16 07:19:42  apk update && apk upgrade
2013-09-16 07:19:42  fetch http://nl.alpinelinux.org/alpine/edge/main/x86/APKINDEX.tar.gz
2013-09-16 07:19:42  fetch http://nl.alpinelinux.org/alpine/edge/testing/x86/APKINDEX.tar.gz
2013-09-16 07:19:42  main v130910-72-g5c40e9e [http://nl.alpinelinux.org/alpine/edge/main]
2013-09-16 07:19:42  testing v130910-72-g5c40e9e [http://nl.alpinelinux.org/alpine/edge/testing]
2013-09-16 07:19:43  OK: 5904 distinct packages available
2013-09-16 07:19:45  1 errors; 1014 MiB in 400 packages
2013-09-16 07:20:11  ncopa, ^
2013-09-16 07:21:13  what does 'apk fix' say?
2013-09-16 07:22:49  reinstalling shorewall-core ...executing busybox ... teigger
2013-09-16 07:23:16  now everything went ok on update & upgrade :)
2013-09-16 07:23:44  sounds like shorewall-core is missing a 'replaces'
2013-09-16 07:23:44  need to get closer with apk looks like great tool
2013-09-16 07:24:58  I think I noticed this in some bug report few days ago
2013-09-16 07:25:14  or on irc log
2013-09-16 07:32:19  ncopa: i have that same error on edge
2013-09-16 07:34:03  apk fix -- clandmeter :)
2013-09-16 08:02:59  hi
2013-09-16 17:30:04  uhm hello. question will I be able to compile packages such as php and nginx bu hand? since I have no glibc
2013-09-16 17:30:31  Roland-: yes
2013-09-16 17:30:49  Roland-: all needed prerequisites for compiling can be installed by installing the 'alpine-sdk' package
2013-09-16 17:31:16  great news
2013-09-16 17:31:24  needed steps can be found in http://wiki.alpinelinux.org/wiki/Creating_an_Alpine_package
2013-09-16 17:31:57  not sure I really want a packge to be build
2013-09-16 17:32:07  I'll just throw them into /usr
2013-09-16 17:32:53  well, at least the alpine-specific building instructions there might be useful - the bits and pieces that you might need anyways
2013-09-16 17:33:29  I will check on them as soon as I get it up and running
2013-09-16 17:36:59  oh funny
2013-09-16 17:37:05  it can use gentoo's portage
2013-09-16 17:37:27  NOTE: This document is obsolete since Alpine no longer is based on Gentoo. Please use the 1.9 build environment.
2013-09-16 17:37:29  oh not
2013-09-16 17:37:33  :)
2013-09-16 17:37:44  I was thinking that sounded like an older comment
2013-09-16 17:38:25  Roland-: there's a couple spots in the docs that reference older configurations
2013-09-16 17:38:39  ok
2013-09-16 17:39:01  we try to minimize them, but definitely spend more time on the product than the documentation most of the time :)
2013-09-16 17:40:34  with uClibc system should be a little bit faster, or just size orientated?
2013-09-16 17:49:28  Roland-: why would you want to build nginx by hand though? there's an apk for it
2013-09-16 17:52:27  modify headers, server version response, lots of mods in autoindex, etc.
2013-09-16 17:52:50  sounds like Roland- has a fun setup :)
2013-09-16 17:52:59  I am installing it now
2013-09-16 17:53:44  still I don't know anything about uClibc
2013-09-16 17:54:15  you don't need to
2013-09-16 17:54:26  just modify the existing apk's build files
2013-09-16 17:56:02  ok
2013-09-16 18:03:54  hmz
2013-09-16 18:03:56  weird
2013-09-16 18:04:45  central:~# mount /dev/vda1 a
2013-09-16 18:04:46  mount: mounting /dev/vda1 on a failed: Invalid argument
2013-09-16 18:04:54  [  659.577433] FAT-fs (vda1): utf8 is not a recommended IO charset for FAT filesystems, filesystem will be case sensitive!
2013-09-16 18:04:57  that's ext4
2013-09-16 18:05:22  mount -t ext4  fixed
2013-09-16 18:05:23  sorry
2013-09-16 18:05:28  ACTION continues
2013-09-16 18:21:49  ok
2013-09-16 18:21:59  do I require to have a /boot partition?
2013-09-16 18:22:04  amd I required I mean
2013-09-16 18:22:16  Roland-: no
2013-09-16 18:22:25  I have my own grsec kernel with no module loding and I have ext4 and my virtio already built in kernel
2013-09-16 18:22:29  should be able to boot
2013-09-16 18:22:30  however
2013-09-16 18:22:41  I get You might need fix the MBR to be able to boot
2013-09-16 18:33:36  well extlinux: cannot find device for path /boot
2013-09-16 18:42:26  extlinux: cannot find device for path /boot
2013-09-16 18:42:26  extlinux: cannot open device (null)
2013-09-16 18:42:34  same errors and this time I created an /boot device
2013-09-16 18:49:21  can i boot the system with alpine's dvd ?
2013-09-16 19:12:53  ok managet to get it running
2013-09-16 20:41:17  have a new question can i skip that booting alpine in 3 2 1 menu ?
2013-09-16 20:48:55  Roland-: Play with the extlinux config I guess
2013-09-16 21:02:18  yep
2013-09-16 21:02:20  timeout stuff
2013-09-16 21:02:28  0 will cause bootloop 1 will do
2013-09-16 21:22:14  also, useradd is missing
2013-09-16 21:24:44  adduser
2013-09-16 21:25:09  found
2013-09-16 21:25:13  so far so good with this distro
2013-09-16 21:25:22  things are a little changed with this busybox
2013-09-16 21:25:26  like the grep command
2013-09-16 21:26:44  its enough for most cases
2013-09-16 21:27:22  if you are missing anything you can always install it: apk add grep
2013-09-16 21:32:48  hmz
2013-09-16 21:32:53  I cannot add user wih a group
2013-09-16 21:33:04  well adduser -s /bin/false -g http http -S
2013-09-16 21:33:10  the gropu is not created
2013-09-16 21:38:23  when you add a user, a group with the same name will be created automatically
2013-09-16 21:39:53  ok
2013-09-16 21:40:03  I am sorry but things a a little bit changed as I am used to
2013-09-16 21:41:47  no problem, we invoice you later on.
2013-09-16 21:42:53  ACTION looks the other way -:*
2013-09-16 21:43:46  :)
2013-09-16 21:49:42  anyway I love this distro
2013-09-16 21:49:46  truly lightweight
2013-09-16 21:50:11  yeah it's great
2013-09-16 21:50:17  and an arm port is in progress :O
2013-09-16 21:51:00  me gusta I don't see so many files in /etc
2013-09-16 21:51:40  yeah i LOVE that
2013-09-16 21:51:51  i tried using debian but there was sooooo much crap in there
2013-09-16 21:51:53  i love alpine
2013-09-16 21:52:03  lol
2013-09-16 21:52:04  as a funny
2013-09-16 21:52:05  thing
2013-09-16 21:52:25  here is my "debload" line AFTER debian "minimal" install
2013-09-16 21:52:37  aptitude purge exim4-base exim4-config exim4-daemon-light at exim4-daemon-light bsd-mailx w3m console-setup man-db manpages manpages-dev lshw dosfstools eject consolekit libx11-6 libxcb1 libxext6 libxmuu1 xauth libx11-data libxau6 libxdmcp6 tcpd wamerican dmidecode acpid avahi-daemon bash-completion busybox console-common console-data console-setup-linux debian-faq dictionaries-common
2013-09-16 21:52:37  doc-debian kbd whois vim-tiny vim-common uuid-runtime update-inetd usbutils shared-mime-info task-english tasksel tasksel-data parted powermgmt-base os-prober netcat-traditional netcat manpages manpages-dev kmod kbd keyboard-configuration iso-codes isc-dhcp-client isc-dhcp-common installation-report install-info info doc-debian module-init-tools libparted0debian1 tcpdump libck-connector0
2013-09-16 21:52:37  libdbus-glib-1-2 libpam-ck-connector dbus libdbus-1-3 accountsservice libusb-1.0-0 libuuid-perl linux-base libaccountsservice0 libavahi-common3 libavahi-core7 libnss-mdns libpcap0.8 libpolkit-gobject-1-0 libsystemd-login0  reportbug libdaemon0 libkmod2 texinfo  rsync pciutils krb5-locales heirloom-mailx git-man gettext firmware-linux-free autopoint git util-linux-locales libffi5 geoip-database
2013-09-16 21:52:37  libtext-charwidth-perl libtext-iconv-perl libtext-wrapi18n-perl debconf-i18n libcroco3 libgpm2 liblocale-gettext-perl libpci3 exim4 xml-core whiptail udev texinfo reportbug pciutils mktemp heirloom-mailx hdparm acpi-support-base autopoint bc gettext git git-man curl anacron traceroute python-reportbug iputils-tracepath ibritish iamerican groff-base acl util-linux-locales dc libsystemd-login0
2013-09-16 21:52:37  libusb-1.0-0 libpci3 libavahi-common-data libavahi-common3 libavahi-core7 libtext-charwidth-perl libtext-iconv-perl libtext-wrapi18n-perl debconf-i18n libpcap0.8 libpcap0.8 libunistring0 libnss-mdns libaccountsservice0 libcroco3 libnewt0.52 libpolkit-gobject-1-0 libpipeline1  liblocale-gettext-perl liblockfile1 lockfile-progs liberror-perl liblockfile-bin klibc-utils python-fpconst
2013-09-16 21:52:37  python-debianbts python-soappy powermgmt-base libsasl2-modules apt-xapian-index apt-listchanges module-init-tools python-xapian apt-utils libfile-copy-recursive-perl openssh-blacklist openssh-blacklist-extra manpages manpages-dev geoip-database ftp krb5-locales xz-utils rsync libcurl3 exim4 libglib2.0-0 python-chardet python-debian manpages-dev manpages libgettextpo0 sgml-base
2013-09-16 21:52:37  apt-transport-https rsyslog cron logrotate sudo python2.7-minimal python2.7 python-support python-minimal python m4 lsof less cpio sudo bind9-host python-apt python-apt-common dnsutils lsb-release libbind9-80 libcap2 libcurl3-gnutls libdns88 libgc1c2 libgeoip1 libgomp1 libisc84 libisccc80 libisccfg82 liblwres80 libxml2 manpages manpages-dev ntpdate ncurses-term libncurses5-dev libldap-2.4-2
2013-09-16 21:52:38  patch libffi5 libglib2.0-0 pkg-config mime-support manpages manpages-dev libssh2-1 librtmp0 time laptop-detect initramfs-tools linux-image-3.2.0-4-amd64 linux-image-amd64 acpi aptitude aptitude-common libboost-iostreams1.49.0 libclass-isa-perl libept1.4.12 libxapian22 discover discover-data libexpat1 libgnutls26 libtasn1-3 wget libcwidget3 libsqlite3-0 libsigc++-2.0-0c2a libpopt0 libp11-kit0
2013-09-16 21:52:38  libidn11 libgdbm3 libswitch-perl perl perl-modules libclass-isa-perl bsdmainutils
2013-09-16 21:52:41  :))))
2013-09-16 21:52:45  sorry
2013-09-16 21:52:46  that's a big line
2013-09-16 21:52:47  :P
2013-09-16 21:52:53  yeah it's great
2013-09-16 21:53:00  remember this if "minimal" lol
2013-09-16 21:53:32  i don't think i'll ever use anything else
2013-09-16 23:08:29  lol /dev/root                 1.1G    123.1M   1018.9M  11% /
2013-09-16 23:08:32  impressive.
2013-09-16 23:19:22  WARNING: Ignoring APKINDEX.d2d82fd4.tar.gz: No such file or directory
2013-09-16 23:19:34  I accidentaly removed that but I believe it's from /var/cache
2013-09-16 23:25:17  fixed myself
2013-09-16 23:55:05  i had a question about locales
2013-09-16 23:55:15  first question: wtf
2013-09-16 23:55:32  second question: how can i see what locales i have available to me?
2013-09-16 23:55:50  in a way that gets nl_langinfo(CODESET) to return something other than "ASCII" all the time
2013-09-16 23:56:01  since that is causing weechat to misbehave
2013-09-16 23:57:00  Roland-: yeah, size is a big draw when it comes to alpine for me too
2013-09-17 00:01:12  aji: locales in alpine are definitely an area that could use some tlc
2013-09-17 00:02:07  i might build a hacked version of weechat that replaces the nl_langinfo(CODESET) call with a constant "UTF-8" or something.
2013-09-17 00:02:26  because i'm getting tired of seeing ? everywhere when obviously my terminal and multiplexer can handle it just fine.
2013-09-17 00:11:11  aji: uclibc doesn't into locales
2013-09-17 00:12:22  i looked at the source and the code is there for it
2013-09-17 00:12:33  and there seems to be mention of utf-8 locales, though no documentation.
2013-09-17 00:36:23  damn gentoo with their funroll loops omg optimized
2013-09-17 00:36:31  just compiled php 6 times
2013-09-17 00:36:52  you gain NOTHING more after -O2 -pipe
2013-09-17 03:52:29  Roland-, RICERS
2013-09-17 05:10:46  Yesssss, ZFS support. Finally, /home again <3
2013-09-17 06:19:42  hi
2013-09-17 08:10:33  hi
2013-09-17 08:14:22  Kabaka: do you use ZFS for all?
2013-09-17 10:24:55  ACTION patiently waits for Alpine-Pi...
2013-09-17 10:48:37  i wonder if i should do a test image
2013-09-17 10:48:49  though, rpi needs custom kernel for all the fun items
2013-09-17 10:49:13  i currently have working armhf build of alpine for Wandboard
2013-09-17 10:49:31  the packages are built with armv6/vfp so they run on rpi too. so it just needs kernel.
2013-09-17 11:28:06  fabled: will you create a kernel directly from rpi repo?
2013-09-17 11:28:21  probably need to do so
2013-09-17 11:28:31  the vanilla kernel apparently has minimal support to boot rpi
2013-09-17 11:28:44  but does not include the gpu drivers or other stuff either
2013-09-17 11:29:15  the gpu stuff is in rpi firmware right?
2013-09-17 11:30:47  ok, they include kernel+modules in firmware repo
2013-09-17 11:32:35  fabled: i guess you'll create your own config and create kernel image and modloop?
2013-09-17 11:33:17  yes, i think that needs to be done until the support is upstream
2013-09-17 12:23:48  greetings my friends of minimalism. can someone pretty please update http://wiki.alpinelinux.org/wiki/How_to_make_a_custom_ISO_image? this will never ever work until either of two lines is removed from /etc/apk/repositories. I remove "/media/cdrom/apks" and it will finally work.
2013-09-17 12:24:13  otherwise one will get the error "Makefile:86: *** multiple target patterns.  Stop."
2013-09-17 12:27:21  I'd update the documentation myself but that wiki seems read-only.
2013-09-17 12:42:59  anyone know if TPE is compiled into the grsec kernel?
2013-09-17 12:46:47  !
2013-09-17 12:46:48  http://cubieboard.org/2013/08/01/hadoophigh-availability-distributed-object-oriented-platform-on-cubieboard/
2013-09-17 13:10:19  any plans for jvm 1.7?
2013-09-17 13:26:21  Chotaire: what do you mean to write/remove on the wiki page?
2013-09-17 13:31:19  http://wiki.alpinelinux.org/wiki/How_to_make_a_custom_ISO_image will never create a bootable working CD iso.
2013-09-17 13:31:48  a) /etc/apk/repositories MUST only list one repository, whether that is the iso or an online repository.
2013-09-17 13:32:02  b) abuild-keygen -a needs to be used and the pub key to be COPIED to /etc/apk/keys
2013-09-17 13:33:02  if a) is not done, make errors out with "Makefile:86: *** multiple target patterns.  Stop.", if b) is not done, the iso will never boot because apks on the iso will be untrusted and not get used.
2013-09-17 13:33:09  Chotaire: so this is wrong?
2013-09-17 13:33:10  Learn apk-tools to find your home-built apk's:
2013-09-17 13:33:10  echo "~/.cache/abuild/" >> /etc/apk/repositories
2013-09-17 13:33:18  no, that is right
2013-09-17 13:33:44  but if you say there should be only _one_ repo?
2013-09-17 13:34:08  yeah. unless someone fixes the Makefile mess, that's the only option for now.
2013-09-17 13:34:25  alpine-iso really needs a rework.
2013-09-17 13:35:03  can't follow you. what is the required content of /etc/apk/repositories?
2013-09-17 13:35:10  if someone wants to include their own apks they need to build an own repository which includes it all or fix Makefile.
2013-09-17 13:35:48  StarWarsFan: only one repository must be present in /etc/apk/repositories otherwise make errors out with "Makefile:86: *** multiple target patterns.  Stop."
2013-09-17 13:36:07  it's probably a quick fix in Makefile of alpine-iso but I am not a coder.
2013-09-17 13:37:03  and so as a conclusion
2013-09-17 13:37:04  echo "~/.cache/abuild/" >> /etc/apk/repositories
2013-09-17 13:37:07  If you are a bash scripter, take a look at alpine-iso/Makefile and see it for yourself. where APK_FILES gets stuffed.
2013-09-17 13:37:12  must be wrong as this creates more than one entry
2013-09-17 13:38:01  StarWarsFan: if building on alpine linux with defaults, ">>" will add an additional line.
2013-09-17 13:38:12  exactly
2013-09-17 13:38:18  which leads to more than one entry
2013-09-17 13:52:01  starwarsfan: just ask if you need to know more, i actually created a slim walkthrough how to create a working alpine-iso with 2.6.4 but that does not yet include custom apks
2013-09-17 13:52:10  (that is up next)
2013-09-17 19:58:10  hello, I have an issue here. I had gentoo with my machine, and I had alpine. for some reasons, alpine is 10% slower overall. and it's the same kernel image
2013-09-17 19:58:22  why could this be
2013-09-17 20:04:13  slower at what, exactly?
2013-09-17 20:05:17  well, first of all
2013-09-17 20:05:23  how do you determine '10% slower'
2013-09-17 20:05:36  because this sounds like a made up number
2013-09-17 20:06:29  1. the benchmarks, and phpbench. I don't have a number, as I reinstalled meanwhile and I did not keep any data, I am not insisting on the idea just asking maybe I am doing something wrong
2013-09-17 20:29:43  example: php bench in gentoo is Total time:               : 3.026 sec.
2013-09-17 20:29:55  and in alpine is ~3.8
2013-09-18 04:33:15  Moinmoin
2013-09-18 11:31:35  hi
2013-09-18 14:36:33  do you have a web address
2013-09-18 14:36:34  ?
2013-09-18 14:37:19  www.alpinelinux.org
2013-09-18 14:38:00  thank you
2013-09-18 16:49:53  anyone know how to force automatic reconnect attempts when the IMAP connection is dropped?
2013-09-18 16:52:13  to deal with that nice gmail MAIL FOLDER "INBOX" CLOSED DUE TO ACCESS ERROR
2013-09-18 17:22:56  doug: this channel is meant for Alpine Linux the distribution, not the mail client
2013-09-18 17:53:32  gottit
2013-09-19 23:46:48  hi, when i tried to apk add easy-rsa, why i got "ERROR: 1 unsatisfiable dependencies: world: easy-rsa" ?
2013-09-20 00:07:53  did you apk-update first
2013-09-20 00:07:56  er
2013-09-20 00:07:57  apk update
2013-09-20 00:17:40  yes
2013-09-20 00:18:11  I ended up just download the easy-rsa from openvpn github ~_~
2013-09-20 08:18:20  merhaba pek bi işe yaramayan distro kullanıcıları
2013-09-20 08:18:51  aykut: english please
2013-09-20 08:19:07  clandmeter, ok
2013-09-20 08:20:43  my irsi doesnt like latin chars :)
2013-09-20 08:21:13  I cant get it to use utf8 properly
2013-09-20 08:21:41  hmm
2013-09-20 16:58:32  hi there buddies. one question, has the alpine linux kernel been patched other than grsec? if so, is there a patched source somewhere?
2013-09-20 17:09:13  the patches are in the aports tree
2013-09-20 17:09:15  http://wiki.alpinelinux.org/wiki/Aports_tree
2013-09-20 17:10:19  thanks, I am taking a look right now.
2013-09-20 17:28:53  thanks, found.
2013-09-24 08:54:26  so.. seeing a very weird error when trying to boot alpine 2.6.4 x86_64 mini iso in xen
2013-09-24 08:54:56  it does this: http://cl.ly/image/073H1x3y0J2b
2013-09-24 08:55:10  and after printing that message 20 times exactly, it finally boots properly without any intervention: http://cl.ly/image/0e2s1W032b3o
2013-09-24 08:56:21  this is repeatable, happens every time I try to boot the ISO.  the md5sum is correct.
2013-09-24 09:07:02  aaaaaaand now it installed.. and it's stuck at a loop of Alpine will be booted automatically in 3 seconds.
2013-09-24 09:07:09  3 seconds later, it prints that again… :/
2013-09-24 09:08:44  and after 20 times of doing that, it boots too?
2013-09-24 09:08:52  okay this is just /bizarre/.
2013-09-24 09:12:20  thats horrible
2013-09-24 09:47:04  O___________o
2013-09-24 09:47:13  daaaaaaamn, that's why I like alpine
2013-09-24 09:47:25  FreeBSD 10 took about 4m30s to build Ruby
2013-09-24 09:47:31  Alpine took 2m54s on the same hardware
2013-09-24 09:49:52  has any of you working nfsv4 on alpine?
2013-09-24 09:50:01  i get a crashing idmapd-thing
2013-09-24 09:59:09  ruby is quite broken, I see..
2013-09-24 09:59:47  `apk add ruby` gives me an interpreter that doesn't even start, because it needs gems.. `apk add ruby-gems` gives me an interpreter that starts, but when I try and run with certain gems it gives me a "symbol not found" error..
2013-09-24 10:03:51  hmm i had some gems stuff working wayyy back
2013-09-24 10:03:56  for opennebula
2013-09-24 10:04:17  but i never really used ruby there myself, so idk how much it really could od
2013-09-24 10:11:05  foxkit: on v2.6?
2013-09-24 10:13:09  pastebin your apk info and the symbol error please
2013-09-24 10:17:36  let me finish filing this bug first clandmeter
2013-09-24 10:17:37  then I will :)
2013-09-24 10:22:23  clandmeter: this is apparently specific to using the libv8 gem.. it looks like it was distributed in binary form and is linked to glibc..
2013-09-24 10:22:34  Therefore I believe this is an upstream issue
2013-09-24 10:22:41  Not an issue with alpine
2013-09-24 10:23:05  (they really should not distribute binaries via rubygems even if they do make installation quicker.. for this very reason)
2013-09-24 11:37:00  Hi all!
2013-09-24 11:38:09  Anybody using pidgin as a irc client on Alpine? I think I did it before - but now that I try again (running AL 'edge') it seems like Pidgin (Purple) no longer supports the 'irc' protocol
2013-09-24 11:38:20  Is it just me doing something wrong, or anybody else noticed the same?
2013-09-24 11:59:41  mhavela: i saw someone else mention missing irc support in pidgin
2013-09-24 11:59:46  i will look at it
2013-09-25 08:37:21  oh just as a random aside
2013-09-25 08:37:29  alpine just made my life 1,000x easier
2013-09-25 08:37:37  by being less shitty with apache 2.4 than freebsd 10
2013-09-25 08:37:46  so I got this deploy done in 15 hours instead of 8 days
2013-09-25 08:37:49  thanks guys.
2013-09-25 09:01:33  thanks for sharing it :)
2013-09-25 09:01:42  happy users makes me happy :)
2013-09-25 09:05:00  ncopa: if that makes you happy, concider me a happy user too ;-)
2013-09-25 09:06:01  :)
2013-09-25 09:08:54  ACTION prefers lighttpd
2013-09-25 09:09:08  though I'm still waiting for the alpine raspberry pi...
2013-09-25 09:09:36  think I'm gonna colocate one at work with the 'employee colo' offering they have, since I don't need any more colo much less at work.
2013-09-25 09:13:37  NameBrand, lighty is better yeah.. but I'm running rails crap in passenger which is either apache or nginx
2013-09-25 09:13:55  and apache is easier for me to config.  I want to like nginx, but it's really a butt to configure right, it's very anal with config options and very terse with errors.
2013-09-25 09:14:01  from what I've heard, I'd probably try nginx for that
2013-09-25 09:14:18  after I switched to apache I've liked it.
2013-09-25 09:14:36  I used to hate apache but I can't afford to anymore
2013-09-25 09:14:40  running a master (freebsd) and a slave (alpine) which I just rsync the configs/data and then reload the slvae.
2013-09-25 09:14:49  it's easy, it's quick.  it's not fast.
2013-09-25 09:14:51  for lighttpd that is.
2013-09-25 09:14:54  I picked easy and quick over fast.
2013-09-25 09:15:14  I should say:
2013-09-25 09:15:23  easy to install, quick to install, performant: pick two
2013-09-25 09:15:51  easy to install, performant is lighty.  it takes me some time to get all the configs in the right places.  I'm talking new builds, not somewhere I can just pull configs from somewhere else.
2013-09-25 09:16:12  easy and quick to install is apache.  can write a config for it in 4-5 minutes if I had to.
2013-09-25 09:16:14  yea, it was a bitch to get the configs working with the same config on a freebsd and alpine system, when the freebsd was configured as dual stack but didn't have a live ipv6 IP, but the alpine box does..
2013-09-25 09:16:45  ended up turning my single config file into four to make it work...
2013-09-25 09:16:52  mm yeah.  not sure, I think you can bind to all v6 like you do on v4 with "0.0.0.0"
2013-09-25 09:16:56  not sure what v6 address it would be though
2013-09-25 09:17:06  a local php server config that doesn't sync, and three other configs that do.  main config, http and https
2013-09-25 09:17:22  sounds like a pretty good setup there :)
2013-09-25 09:17:33  $SERVER["socket"] == "[::]:80" {
2013-09-25 09:17:39  aha!
2013-09-25 09:17:41  for ipv6
2013-09-25 09:17:52  $SERVER["socket"] == ":80" {
2013-09-25 09:17:54  for ipv4
2013-09-25 09:18:00  and I had to duplicate that for ssl
2013-09-25 09:18:12  which is why I split the http and https configs out of the main config file
2013-09-25 09:18:17  so I could just include the same file twice
2013-09-25 09:18:30  yeah.  sounds like a very easily-maintained system, at least
2013-09-25 09:18:40  yea, once I got it running.
2013-09-25 09:18:54  sometimes duplication isn't terrible, as long as the effort saved is more than the effort to do 2x everything
2013-09-25 09:19:08  wait a sec.. alpine raspi in an 'employee colo'
2013-09-25 09:19:16  I knew I recognised your nick from somewhere
2013-09-25 09:19:30  you're the one who works at an ISP and they give you 10mbit at that rack
2013-09-25 09:19:39  and it's insane because they should give you more
2013-09-25 09:19:40  right?
2013-09-25 09:19:46  now I can make changes on the master and just run a sync script which will rsync the changes to the slave and then restart the httpd on the slave
2013-09-25 09:19:49  yea
2013-09-25 09:19:56  sitting in my office right now
2013-09-25 09:19:58  cool, haha, I'm awilfox on staticbox :P
2013-09-25 09:20:08  ah.
2013-09-25 09:20:26  yea, my cloak may have helped too...
2013-09-25 09:20:32  ACTION didn't /whois
2013-09-25 09:20:46  aha, I see
2013-09-25 09:20:57  anyway, yeah, that's a nice setup you have there
2013-09-25 09:21:14  wish the stuff here was that easy to manage, might make my life be more full of code and less full of sysadmin
2013-09-25 09:21:20  long time hang out over there...  met kaniini several times since I'm from the town he currently lives in
2013-09-25 09:21:51  foxkit: yea, so far it's working really well..  you hit my website and I'm doing dns round-robin between dfw, slc-v4 and slc-v6
2013-09-25 09:22:23  even setup lighttpd with one of the 'virtual hosts' to actually just proxy into my internal network for something.
2013-09-25 09:22:37  used the load balancing config, just going to one internal host.
2013-09-25 09:23:41  which means I can use lighttpd to be an http/https load balancer.  Only difference between that and a hardware device is hardware devices let you load balance other services (like dns), and it's easier to have them setup in active/standby
2013-09-25 09:24:23  yeah
2013-09-25 09:24:43  load balancing for DNS is an interesting concept...
2013-09-25 09:24:47  we've got a customer that does that
2013-09-25 09:24:50  NameBrand, at $business we have a 'front end' lighty server that proxies everywhere
2013-09-25 09:25:04  NameBrand, the file is full of like 12-15 proxy.server stanzas, one per domain
2013-09-25 09:25:17  the nice bit is when we need a domain to have more power, just add another IP to proxy.server :)
2013-09-25 09:25:23  normally you don't bother putting DNS behind a load balancer, but they have a neat reason for doing it.
2013-09-25 09:25:28  yea
2013-09-25 09:25:40  we've got quite a few customers with load balancers
2013-09-25 09:25:47  hrrrm.. load-balanced DNS is pretty interesting.  are you at liberty to say what their neat reason is?
2013-09-25 09:26:12  one or two of our customers do really high level load balancing between regions.
2013-09-25 09:26:51  aah
2013-09-25 09:26:55  well foxkit, the reason is they have two physical locations in different countries.  They have two IPs configured for DNS, one at each location.
2013-09-25 09:27:18  but because their environment and numerous very large customers rely on that DNS to reach their service
2013-09-25 09:27:31  they have multiple 'physical' DNS boxes behind the load balancer at each site.
2013-09-25 09:27:50  so if one fails for whatever reason, it doesn't affect the reachablity of both servers to the outside perspective
2013-09-25 09:28:17  I see.  so it's basically like having X number of resolvers configured on the clients, but only two IPs
2013-09-25 09:28:21  that is pretty cool
2013-09-25 09:28:27  normally having 1 of x dns server not answering isn't a cause for concern due to caching and other mechanisms built into the DNS protocol, but they can't have that slow down.
2013-09-25 09:29:06  I just run three public resolvers in three different time zones for my [personal] stuff.  Works well.
2013-09-25 09:29:32  I just tossed everything on ec2 because cheap and geographically spread
2013-09-25 09:29:47  I used to run public resolvers but they kept getting DDoSed
2013-09-25 09:29:56  and I can't afford the bandwidth to suck up a DDoS
2013-09-25 09:30:22  internally I have a name server at each location which is the primary for that site, and then I have one that I view as the primary that's always the secondary for other sites.
2013-09-25 09:30:31  sorry, I meant public authoratative...
2013-09-25 09:30:42  all the servers resolve, but only if you match the correct ACL.
2013-09-25 09:30:57  yeah I knew what you meant
2013-09-25 09:31:16  the skiddies decided that DNS was a perfect legitimate excuse for UDP flooding me off the 'net :)
2013-09-25 09:32:09  heh
2013-09-25 09:32:44  that's the one draw back about using alpine for my slave dns hosts...  no stateful firewall like I have on FreeBSD
2013-09-25 09:33:06  bringing pf to linux, especially alpine, would be /magick/
2013-09-25 09:33:09  I would love that
2013-09-25 09:33:15  with iptables I just have to restrict who can access things like ssh, and I can rate limit open services to x connetions per y seconds
2013-09-25 09:33:48  my freebsd boxes do fun shit like have sshd only allow four failed passwords a connection, and an unauthenticated connection can't last more than 45 seconds.
2013-09-25 09:34:03  pf allows you to create two connections every three minutes or so, and have four total.
2013-09-25 09:34:11  if you break those rules you get added to a table
2013-09-25 09:34:17  which is dropped from the interface
2013-09-25 09:34:33  then crontab runs every 15 minutes and expires entries that are 12~24 hours old out of the table
2013-09-25 09:34:41  fully automated protection.
2013-09-25 09:34:49  yup yup, that's what we have on our router
2013-09-25 09:34:55  only thing that's gotten any traction is distributed brute force ssh attacks
2013-09-25 09:34:55  pf is bloody amazing
2013-09-25 09:35:02  which I see in my daily logs.
2013-09-25 09:35:46  two failed attemps from one IP for aaa, two failed attempts from another IP for admin, two failed attempts from another IP for apple, etc...
2013-09-25 09:36:38  and it lets you restrict traffic to something like http...  so a busy client is able to establish a lot of connections to load faster, but if they get abusive they get firewalled
2013-09-25 09:36:44  and the synproxy is great.
2013-09-25 09:37:06  coworker found a syn flood script and started messing with other employees
2013-09-25 09:37:30  so I'm like "sure, try it on my server." and I load up top to watch the system.
2013-09-25 09:37:36  he runs it and I dont go down
2013-09-25 09:37:46  he took my idle percentage from 100% to 92%
2013-09-25 09:38:06  found out the next day with my server logs, he was sending 36,000 syn/sec at my http daemon
2013-09-25 09:38:37  pf just absorbed it in the synproxy
2013-09-25 09:39:35  so then he didn't think it was working so he hit his own webserver and crashed it.
2013-09-25 09:42:52  NameBrand, bahahahahaha that is epic
2013-09-25 09:43:06  that's the kind of crap that is why I normally really like FreeBSD
2013-09-25 09:43:24  unfortunately it's just not all there.. can't run 9 on my xen host because it's not letting me install for some reason, some incompatibility with the hardware
2013-09-25 09:43:28  my vpn/nat vm's are openbsd, and it works awesomely.
2013-09-25 09:43:36  so I tried 10-alpha2.. works great but passenger dies and apache segfaults
2013-09-25 09:43:36  I run ESXi
2013-09-25 09:43:52  and gdb.. well this sounds silly but gdb asserts itself and dumps core
2013-09-25 09:43:56  when I try and attach to apache
2013-09-25 09:44:11  so I tried installing gdb7.6 from ports.. and it won't build :)
2013-09-25 09:44:20  and that's when I gave up 8 days of BSD and went for alpine
2013-09-25 09:45:51  yea, I run a varied environment, but I stick to a few staples.
2013-09-25 09:46:03  I love how tiny I can build a single use VM out of alpine
2013-09-25 09:48:44  NameBrand, passenger didn't believe it could even run on the tiny VM I gave it :)
2013-09-25 09:50:14  back when I was first testing alpine I had a running VM with crony, openssh and lighttpd running with only 40mb ram.  took lie 56 or 64 to install
2013-09-25 09:50:21  Warning: Your system does not have a lot of virtual memory
2013-09-25 09:50:38  that's what it said during `gem install passenger`
2013-09-25 09:50:52  yet, when running.. this is a fully loaded rails app, there are 3 visitors on the site live right now
2013-09-25 09:50:55  Mem:           495          466           28            0            5
2013-09-25 09:50:58  -/+ buffers:                461           33
2013-09-25 09:51:09  ssh+crony+apache+rails in 460MB :D
2013-09-25 09:52:13  unicorn+nginx
2013-09-25 09:52:37  Mem: 61524K used, 192816K free, 0K shrd, 2728K buff, 22620K cached
2013-09-25 09:53:09  auth dns, sshd, syslog, chrony, ntpd
2013-09-25 09:53:30  clandmeter, I prefer thin+lighty when I'm doing things that way
2013-09-25 09:53:40  but passenger is easier for toss-away sites (i.e.: ones I do not care much about)
2013-09-25 09:56:33  there is more pace in ngnix development
2013-09-29 10:09:01  re
2013-09-29 10:09:19  at b.al.o there is an internal error message
2013-09-29 10:09:36  hm
2013-09-29 10:09:48  and al.o is a white page
2013-09-29 10:24:12  confirmed, but the wiki still works!
2013-09-29 10:24:17  clandmeter, ^^^
2013-09-29 10:24:49  ok im on it
2013-09-29 10:26:00  thats weird
2013-09-29 10:26:04  both have issues
2013-09-29 10:31:48  mysql seems to die
2013-09-29 10:32:40  kocka: don't kill it again! :)
2013-09-29 10:38:05  it wasn't me
2013-09-29 10:39:08  locktite your F5 button
2013-09-29 10:40:49  m-m
2013-09-29 10:44:42  is back :D
2013-09-29 10:44:47  the site, I mean
2013-09-29 17:39:35  Is this the channel for help?
2013-09-29 17:40:00  Going by: http://wiki.alpinelinux.org/wiki/Alpine_Linux:IRC, where it says "For general discussion and quick support questions. "
2013-09-29 17:55:08  yes BrandonM
2013-09-29 17:55:28  Ok.
2013-09-29 17:55:30  "Anyone familiar with when Alpine refuses to send an email on an SMTP server and returns error 550 5.7.0 and says that my from address isn't one of my address?"
2013-09-29 18:13:39  this is not help for the alpine mail client
2013-09-29 18:13:40  sorry
2013-09-29 18:26:56  I just got done asking if this is the help for the client, and I was told yes.
2013-09-29 18:27:40  :/  I give up, sorry I bothered twice.
2013-09-30 06:27:20  moin
2013-09-30 21:32:42  Hello
2013-09-30 21:33:15  Noticed here that mplayer and vlc are crashing with this new round of updates to edge/main
2013-09-30 21:34:43  i've tested this with mp4/h264 and avi/mp42 files
2013-09-30 21:35:10  vlc will dump the audio, but mplayer just crashes outright
2013-09-30 21:37:43  evening
2013-09-30 21:37:50  eveninn
2013-09-30 21:38:15  br_: what is the error?
2013-09-30 21:38:56  d:~$ mplayer Sea_vs_Hou.mp4
2013-09-30 21:38:56  MPlayer 1.1-4.8.1 (C) 2000-2012 MPlayer Team
2013-09-30 21:38:56  192 audio & 400 video codecs
2013-09-30 21:38:56  Playing Sea_vs_Hou.mp4.
2013-09-30 21:38:56  libavformat version 54.6.100 (internal)
2013-09-30 21:38:59  libavformat file format detected.
2013-09-30 21:39:01  [lavf] stream 0: video (h264), -vid 0
2013-09-30 21:39:04  [lavf] stream 1: audio (aac), -aid 0, -alang und
2013-09-30 21:39:06  VIDEO:  [H264]  640x360  24bpp  29.970 fps  637.3 kbps (77.8 kbyte/s)
2013-09-30 21:39:09  Clip info:
2013-09-30 21:39:11   major_brand: mp42
2013-09-30 21:39:14   minor_version: 0
2013-09-30 21:39:16   compatible_brands: isommp42
2013-09-30 21:39:19   creation_time: 2013-09-29 09:11:30
2013-09-30 21:39:21  Load subtitles in ./
2013-09-30 21:39:24  MPlayer interrupted by signal 11 in module: preinit_libvo
2013-09-30 21:39:26  - MPlayer crashed by bad usage of CPU/FPU/RAM.
2013-09-30 21:39:29    Recompile MPlayer with --enable-debug and make a 'gdb' backtrace and
2013-09-30 21:39:31    disassembly. Details in DOCS/HTML/en/bugreports_what.html#bugreports_crash.
2013-09-30 21:39:34  - MPlayer crashed. This shouldn't happen.
2013-09-30 21:39:37    It can be a bug in the MPlayer code _or_ in your drivers _or_ in your
2013-09-30 21:39:39    gcc version. If you think it's MPlayer's fault, please read
2013-09-30 21:39:42    DOCS/HTML/en/bugreports.html and follow the instructions there. We can't and
2013-09-30 21:39:45    won't help unless you provide this information when reporting a possible bug.
2013-09-30 21:40:03  br_: next time you better sprunge it :)
2013-09-30 21:40:57  sorry I don't irc often
2013-09-30 21:41:17  you didnt kill anyone, so dont worry
2013-09-30 21:41:51  this doesnt ring a bell to me
2013-09-30 21:42:04  better to create an issue on bugs.alpinelinux.org
2013-09-30 21:42:30  one of our devs has alpine with X and will try it.
2013-09-30 21:42:36  will do. I wanted to check and see that I'm not the only one
2013-09-30 21:43:43  most of us dont use X, but some do.
2013-09-30 21:43:58  i hand full (or less)
2013-09-30 21:44:02  fwiw X and it's related apps run and typically build clean under alpine
2013-09-30 21:44:06  I'm really happy with it
2013-09-30 21:45:34  ive used it
2013-09-30 21:46:02  for sure with current intel support, alpine can play nice
2013-09-30 21:46:06  so do you live in tmux and work from ther efor everything
2013-09-30 21:46:07  ?
2013-09-30 21:46:27  no
2013-09-30 21:47:00  I use windows on my desktop and use alpine for server