2013-06-01 14:55:06 hi 2013-06-01 15:02:55 Hello folks 2013-06-01 15:03:08 do you know someone that would like to help me implement Alpine in my organization? 2013-06-01 15:03:08 How can I test I/O on alpine? 2013-06-01 15:03:24 What do you want to do? 2013-06-01 15:08:26 use it as my main firewall 2013-06-01 15:08:35 in two branch offices 2013-06-01 15:08:50 with basic functionality 2013-06-01 15:08:58 I am using alpine as XEN hypervisor 2013-06-01 15:09:09 and server 2013-06-01 15:09:14 right 2013-06-01 15:09:21 and as a firewall? 2013-06-01 15:09:45 I do on the server 2013-06-01 15:09:51 humm 2013-06-01 15:09:53 but not as gateway for other computers 2013-06-01 15:10:05 But you can 2013-06-01 15:10:21 For such stuff is alpine the right os 2013-06-01 15:10:40 I'm encountering dificulties with awall and ipsec 2013-06-01 15:11:01 I'm not found docs and exmples about awall syntax 2013-06-01 15:11:27 and don't know how to start with ipsec 2013-06-01 15:12:22 http://git.alpinelinux.org/cgit/awall/tree/sample-policy.json 2013-06-01 15:12:23 This? 2013-06-01 15:13:06 humm 2013-06-01 15:13:10 is a start 2013-06-01 15:13:38 I can use awall with pingu do deal with two Internet links? 2013-06-01 16:07:11 Where can I set a command, which should be executed every boot up? 2013-06-01 23:29:47 guys 2013-06-01 23:29:52 how exactly do we change 'ulimit -n' 2013-06-01 23:30:02 (at startup) 2013-06-01 23:33:17 dovecot needs it to be higher than the 1024 it's at 2013-06-02 00:56:27 For a hobbyist, how hard is it to build nginx (1.4) from source on Alpine, rather than use the legacy version (1.2) in apk? 2013-06-02 08:46:32 hi 2013-06-03 05:34:44 moinmoin 2013-06-03 08:08:58 moin 2013-06-04 13:15:47 how exactly do we change 'ulimit -n' 2013-06-04 13:16:12 you can do it with rc_ulimit in /etc/conf.d/ 2013-06-04 13:56:58 great thanks ncopa 2013-06-04 13:58:14 Mp5shooter: do you mind write a bug for dovecot-logrotate? 2013-06-04 13:58:17 explakn the issue 2013-06-04 13:58:22 explain* 2013-06-04 13:58:50 logrotate package is 96k 2013-06-04 13:58:51 sure, i have to go take a shower and go to work right now though.. when i get to work and get settled in i will :) 2013-06-04 13:58:58 so i dont forget it 2013-06-04 13:59:02 thanks 2013-06-04 13:59:05 np 2013-06-04 13:59:06 mark it as a feature 2013-06-04 13:59:10 ok 2013-06-04 14:02:50 hmm dovecot does not have logrotate? 2013-06-04 14:10:45 dovecot depends on logrotate 2013-06-04 14:10:54 but Mp5shooter whats rotate manually 2013-06-04 14:11:02 so he don't want logrotate pkg 2013-06-04 15:16:07 i see 2013-06-04 15:16:36 what do you think 2013-06-04 15:18:09 hmm 2013-06-04 17:59:37 ncopa_: I filed the report 2013-06-04 19:02:01 quick question how do i clear my dns cache in alpine? 2013-06-04 19:02:14 for some reason i think i got corrupted 2013-06-04 19:02:31 my dns cache a bunch of my local ips resolve to some random site 2013-06-04 19:16:01 aanywboyd know how to clear dns cache? 2013-06-04 22:52:16 Hi :) 2013-06-04 22:52:42 What's the smallest amount of RAM that Alpine can handle with? 2013-06-04 22:54:07 i wanna say 20 2013-06-04 22:54:12 20mb 2013-06-04 22:56:35 I have a 128 OpenVZ host 2013-06-04 22:56:52 I heard you can install it remotely? 2013-06-04 22:58:24 i never tried it but http://wiki.alpinelinux.org/wiki/Replacing_non-Alpine_Linux_with_Alpine_remotely might help 2013-06-04 23:00:41 hahahahahah 2013-06-04 23:00:46 that will not work for openvz :P 2013-06-04 23:01:16 Ahh bummer 2013-06-04 23:01:25 Can I at least make a custom template? 2013-06-04 23:01:29 yes 2013-06-04 23:02:38 Well that's good then 2013-06-05 04:16:40 gm 2013-06-05 05:59:08 What's the smallest amount of RAM that Alpine can handle with? 2013-06-05 05:59:25 last time i tried i think 34MB was the minimum i was able to boot 2013-06-05 05:59:56 but that was with the kernel and all 2013-06-05 06:00:51 since it will share the kernel with OpenVZ, its probably less 2013-06-05 06:44:31 Hi :) What are the benefits of using Alpine over Debian? 2013-06-05 06:45:57 as a openvz guest? 2013-06-05 06:46:20 base system in debian is ~110MB? 2013-06-05 06:46:30 alpine base system is 6MB 2013-06-05 06:46:37 package manager is faster 2013-06-05 06:46:39 Oh wow you remember me 2013-06-05 06:46:46 Impressive :) 2013-06-05 06:47:09 you would think that you get so much more in the debian base system 2013-06-05 06:47:12 Could you please define faster? In what sense? 2013-06-05 06:47:17 but you actually dont 2013-06-05 06:47:46 apt-get install is slower than apk add 2013-06-05 06:47:59 one singel pkg you dont notice difference 2013-06-05 06:48:08 but if you install 10-50 pkgs you'll notice 2013-06-05 06:48:57 Slower why? Downloads slower? Larget file size? 2013-06-05 06:49:11 that too 2013-06-05 06:49:18 the package manager just faster 2013-06-05 06:49:40 apt-get/dpkg will 1) download, 2) verify signature, 3) unpack 2013-06-05 06:50:00 while apk will 1) download/verify/unpack in one shot 2013-06-05 06:50:22 so when apt-get is finished download and will start with #2, apk is done with all :) 2013-06-05 06:50:41 I see 2013-06-05 06:50:42 apk is doing the checksumming for verification while waiting for http io 2013-06-05 06:51:03 it was designed to do 1 read and 1 write 2013-06-05 06:51:31 That's clever. Will I lose some of the benefit that Alpine provides if I don't use it's kernel? 2013-06-05 06:51:46 you'll lose tha PaX protection 2013-06-05 06:52:17 extra memory protection 2013-06-05 06:52:39 To be honest I'm mainly concerned about memory usage 2013-06-05 06:52:43 other difference is that alpine uses ulibc and debian uses glibc 2013-06-05 06:52:58 which makes all binareies lightly smaller on alpine 2013-06-05 06:54:44 i think in most cases apps in alpine will use less memory, but there might be exceptions 2013-06-05 06:55:38 i dont think application memory usage will have that big difference 2013-06-05 06:55:43 would be interesting to test 2013-06-05 06:56:01 Yes, good idea 2013-06-05 06:56:21 in general, stay away from javea/ruby/python apps 2013-06-05 06:56:29 they tend to eat mem 2013-06-05 06:56:38 java* 2013-06-05 06:56:45 I have access to my VM over SSH and I talked to someone who actually had Alpine userspace 2013-06-05 06:56:56 Oh I just want LAMP 2013-06-05 06:57:35 unless you depend on some apache plugin, I'd recommend lighttpd instead of apache 2013-06-05 06:57:50 there is also nginx and others that hve become very popular 2013-06-05 07:00:09 i am interested in mem usage and performance difference of mysl on debain vs alpine 2013-06-05 07:00:31 Yes me too 2013-06-05 07:00:53 I set up a small OpenVZ testing server at home, I will find time this week to make two identical VMs 2013-06-05 07:01:00 And test what you just said 2013-06-05 07:01:56 But how do I port the userspace without messing up the kernel? 2013-06-05 07:04:08 i think you only need a openvz alpine guest 2013-06-05 07:04:20 i dont think you need the kernel in there 2013-06-05 07:04:39 i dont know how to set up an openvz alpline guest 2013-06-05 07:04:49 i use lxc and qemu/kvm myself 2013-06-05 07:05:04 and vserver 2013-06-05 07:05:23 Ah. The problem is that I can't replace the kernel, and I can't supply my own custom image 2013-06-05 07:05:37 So I need to sort-of hack my way to victory 2013-06-05 07:05:49 I can run it in a chroot if I like 2013-06-05 07:05:49 so what you want to do is, replace a debain image with alpine? 2013-06-05 07:06:09 i think i have done that once 2013-06-05 07:06:18 Well, as much as I can, yes. There are things that I can't change such as the kernel. I want a debian kernel with Alpine userspace 2013-06-05 07:06:44 will it be an openvz uest? 2013-06-05 07:06:46 guest? 2013-06-05 07:07:11 i dont think openvz guests run their own kernels. you share it with the host (unless i'm missing something) 2013-06-05 07:07:49 You got it right. This is what I was trying to explain 2013-06-05 07:07:56 This is the reason I can't use the Alpine kernel 2013-06-05 07:08:12 should not be any problem 2013-06-05 07:08:26 can you provide an openvz template? 2013-06-05 07:08:31 a custom template? 2013-06-05 07:08:36 No, that's the problem 2013-06-05 07:08:41 Like I said before I can't 2013-06-05 07:08:46 ok 2013-06-05 07:09:02 so what you want to is convert a debian openvz guest to alpine 2013-06-05 07:09:11 Acctaully that depends on the hosting provider that I chose to go with 2013-06-05 07:09:19 Yes, correct. 2013-06-05 07:09:32 i dont think that will be too difficult 2013-06-05 07:09:51 What's the general approach? 2013-06-05 07:09:57 what i would have done: 1) install apk tools static + busybox static 2013-06-05 07:10:08 static? 2013-06-05 07:10:17 2) remove all files except /dev/* and the /sbin/apk.static and /bin/busybox.static 2013-06-05 07:10:28 yes static, so it does not depend on any libc 2013-06-05 07:10:33 statically linked 2013-06-05 07:10:57 then apk add 2013-06-05 07:11:06 Oh 2013-06-05 07:11:34 you might need fix /etc/inittab after that 2013-06-05 07:11:36 i dunno 2013-06-05 07:11:59 i dont have experience with openvz 2013-06-05 07:12:04 Won't that mess the system up? 2013-06-05 07:12:19 but thats what you want to do right? :) 2013-06-05 07:12:20 If I just remove all the files. Will it be able to keep functioning? 2013-06-05 07:12:35 thats what you have busybox.static for 2013-06-05 07:12:56 you'll have the most important tools (ls, cp, rm etc) 2013-06-05 07:12:56 Ohh 2013-06-05 07:13:04 Yes I see what you did there 2013-06-05 07:13:29 the problem is when you have remove all files except /sbin/apk.static and /bin/busybox.static 2013-06-05 07:13:38 then you cannot do: ls 2013-06-05 07:13:52 but you can do: busybox.static ls 2013-06-05 07:14:50 Yes I was just going to ask. So if I want to remove everything, I have to use busybox's rm. Correct? 2013-06-05 07:15:06 i think you can use gnu rm 2013-06-05 07:15:16 I fear it might attemt to rm itself 2013-06-05 07:15:23 that no problem 2013-06-05 07:16:02 How come 2013-06-05 07:16:11 due to nature of linux 2013-06-05 07:16:18 you can remove open files 2013-06-05 07:16:28 In communist Linux, file can remove itself 2013-06-05 07:16:33 yes 2013-06-05 07:16:35 no problem 2013-06-05 07:16:42 Haha ok then :) 2013-06-05 07:17:02 Well in that case - does Alpine supply a binary distro? 2013-06-05 07:17:10 yes 2013-06-05 07:17:14 Even better 2013-06-05 07:17:24 So I just put busybox and fetcht eh binary distro 2013-06-05 07:17:28 And untar it at / 2013-06-05 07:17:34 Woudl that work? 2013-06-05 07:17:38 you can download the static busybox and apk-tools 2013-06-05 07:17:39 yes 2013-06-05 07:17:44 just make sure you dont rm them 2013-06-05 07:18:29 Sounds like a fun thing to try 2013-06-05 07:18:56 Perhaps I will document it on the wiki if I manage to pull it off 2013-06-05 07:19:11 cd /; wget -q -O - http://nl.alpinelinux.org/alpine/edge/main/x86/busybox-static-1.21.0-r0.apk | tar -zxv 2013-06-05 07:19:25 the .apk file is compatible with tar 2013-06-05 07:19:29 tar.gz 2013-06-05 07:20:14 I see 2013-06-05 07:20:22 Well should be a piece of cake then 2013-06-05 07:20:29 yes 2013-06-05 07:20:31 A lot easier than I imagined 2013-06-05 07:20:50 once you have remove all files except /sbin/apk.static /bin/busybox.static 2013-06-05 07:21:29 then i think you can link busybox.static to /bin/busybox and run: busybox --install -s 2013-06-05 07:21:44 no.. its: /bin/busybox --install -s 2013-06-05 07:21:56 and it will create symlinks for ln, ls, cp, rm etc 2013-06-05 07:22:35 i dont think it will be too difficult 2013-06-05 07:22:39 Wonderful, that's all I need 2013-06-05 07:22:42 You helped me a lot 2013-06-05 07:22:46 Thanks :) 2013-06-05 07:22:49 np 2013-06-05 07:23:14 i once did the same operation, but with a kernel 2013-06-05 07:23:20 I have to head off for now, unfortunately. Talk to you later. Bye and thanks again :) 2013-06-05 07:23:30 good night 2013-06-05 08:24:28 Hey all 2013-06-05 08:24:56 How do I access an apaceh that runs in a chroot? Do I use the host's IP? 2013-06-05 08:25:01 apache* 2013-06-05 13:48:59 anyone use NFS server on alpine? 2013-06-05 13:49:19 <0 2013-06-05 13:49:24 :) 2013-06-05 13:49:35 is it same setup like in gentoo? 2013-06-05 13:49:50 :) didn't have one on gentoo 2013-06-05 13:50:03 but there wasn't anything very special when i set it up 2013-06-05 13:50:04 hrhr 2013-06-05 13:50:07 I can`t find nothing on wiki 2013-06-05 13:50:21 i guess its straight forward like any other nfs server 2013-06-05 13:50:26 is there some guide you could recommend .. (don`t like ubuntu`s one) 2013-06-05 13:50:27 do your /etc/exports 2013-06-05 13:50:35 ok 2013-06-05 13:50:41 start nfsd somehow 2013-06-05 13:50:45 prolly through /etc/rc.d hrhr 2013-06-05 13:50:46 the ubuntu nfs manual is bullshit 2013-06-05 13:50:46 openrc 2013-06-05 13:50:52 I agree 2013-06-05 13:51:09 darkfader: everything about dpkg based systems is wrong 2013-06-05 13:51:19 darkfader: first of all the mad ass crazy dependency trees 2013-06-05 13:51:34 also is it necessary to do fstab mounting or openrc handles all? 2013-06-05 13:51:42 lol 2013-06-05 13:51:50 fstab is most certainly handled 2013-06-05 13:51:57 nice :) 2013-06-05 13:52:01 dont worry about it unless you have noauto mounts lol 2013-06-05 13:52:17 nah I just need to ditch samba 2013-06-05 13:53:13 samba always f** up file names as it is limited there as is NTFS ... and noone here have windows anymore 2013-06-05 13:53:19 so NFS finally 2013-06-05 13:53:35 i dislike nfs for ACL capabilities 2013-06-05 13:54:52 hmm you can get that sort of other way 2013-06-05 13:55:10 depends on your usecase 2013-06-05 13:55:14 yes 2013-06-05 13:55:18 but you gotta find out yourself 2013-06-05 14:00:04 if I write it all down to who I must send it to put it on the wiki? 2013-06-05 14:00:25 just make an wiki account 2013-06-05 14:00:32 you can create a fresh page 2013-06-05 14:00:36 aww my english is bad 2013-06-05 14:01:30 well I can type it 89-95% correct 2013-06-05 14:02:01 better than nothing being there ;) 2013-06-05 14:02:04 so go for it 2013-06-05 14:03:02 ok thanks it may help somebody 2013-06-05 14:08:01 would be nice to get it into wiki yes 2013-06-05 14:08:01 thanks 2013-06-05 14:08:33 darkfader: any updates on my cfengine pkgbuild file? 2013-06-05 14:09:23 maybe ncopa can push something =) 2013-06-05 14:09:42 where did you send it? 2013-06-05 14:09:46 the list 2013-06-05 14:09:49 like a year ago 2013-06-05 14:09:55 darkfader posted an update or two 2013-06-05 14:10:11 the cfengine guys had my alpinelinux pull request in about 4 days 2013-06-05 14:10:12 :s 2013-06-05 14:10:31 aw im sorry 2013-06-05 14:10:40 i think it just drowned in my inbox 2013-06-05 14:10:50 happens 2013-06-05 14:11:06 it would just ease up my setup 2013-06-05 14:11:26 becase now i'm currently only maintaining my port repo for cfengine (and tokyocabinet - dependency) 2013-06-05 14:12:04 + cfengine makes total sense for alpine in general 2013-06-05 14:12:13 sure 2013-06-05 14:12:54 + you dont need silly interpreters that fill up your userland ;) 2013-06-05 14:13:12 thatas definitively a + :) 2013-06-05 14:13:19 well lua is acceptable ;) 2013-06-05 14:13:26 yeah 2013-06-05 14:13:34 but looking at bcfg, puppet and chef... 2013-06-05 14:13:43 python or ruby to manage your system is both a bad idea 2013-06-05 14:13:44 ;) 2013-06-05 14:13:53 agree 2013-06-05 14:13:54 it has desaster written all over it 2013-06-05 14:14:12 btw, we have a guy working on acf2 2013-06-05 14:14:24 looks promising 2013-06-05 14:14:26 i was wondering if 2.6 was stable for xen 2013-06-05 14:14:47 because when i updated from 2.5 to edge end of april, i had a bad awakening with bootloader issues 2013-06-05 14:14:47 i would think so, but only way to find out is to test 2013-06-05 14:14:58 :-/ 2013-06-05 14:15:03 i moved all my servers to amsterdam (from germany) 2013-06-05 14:15:12 ended up reinstalling all of them 2013-06-05 14:15:27 buuuuut, since alpine is so super awesome 2013-06-05 14:15:34 i just had to reinstall 2.5 over it 2013-06-05 14:15:51 so it took like 5 minutes incl. bootup for each server 2013-06-05 14:16:07 beat the shit out of our normal gentoo dom0 install process we had before :P 2013-06-05 14:16:27 ncopa: re: acf2 - will it support managing multiple servers? :) 2013-06-05 14:16:58 ah ncopa, we wanted to ask if we could run an official alpine mirror in our DC in amsterdam 2013-06-05 14:18:38 darkfader: it will have an http rest api, so... 2013-06-05 14:18:48 should not be impossible 2013-06-05 14:19:02 well, only if it uses the same api itself :) 2013-06-05 14:19:02 fbettag: official alpine mirror in amsterdam would be nice 2013-06-05 14:19:14 who do i have to talk to? 2013-06-05 14:19:36 our ftp.anycast.io doesnt have enough load lol 2013-06-05 14:19:40 fbettag: me, or clandmeter or maybe jbilyk 2013-06-05 14:20:02 if you run a local mirror the package install times are so low that you can end up laughing longer than apk upgrade took 2013-06-05 14:20:08 darkfader: acf2 is currently only the api 2013-06-05 14:20:19 ah! understood 2013-06-05 14:20:31 we intend to make a javascript browser app that uses it 2013-06-05 14:20:39 it looks really promising 2013-06-05 14:20:47 that is kinda sick :) 2013-06-05 14:21:24 like in pfsense2 2013-06-05 14:21:38 "gui update: add more round edges" 2013-06-05 14:21:50 :) 2013-06-05 14:22:19 fbettag: http://wiki.alpinelinux.org/wiki/How_to_setup_a_AlpineLinux_mirror 2013-06-05 14:22:32 ncopa: it's about getting listed ;) 2013-06-05 14:22:33 not the setup 2013-06-05 14:23:31 ok 2013-06-05 14:23:43 gimme 15 minutes to make the rsync 2013-06-05 14:23:51 and cron 2013-06-05 14:23:53 hm 2013-06-05 14:23:57 i presume (haven't clicked the link yet) 2013-06-05 14:24:19 fbettag: if you fetch all versions it'll take a while 2013-06-05 14:24:42 darkfader: there is already an NL mirror and we're pretty good connected through AMS-IX :> 2013-06-05 14:24:49 yeah but is it fast :) 2013-06-05 14:26:04 i think we need collect contact email and 'notes' on each mirror 2013-06-05 14:26:11 yeah 2013-06-05 14:26:20 and maybe country 2013-06-05 14:26:27 if you wanna i can put monitoring on them and contact the email person plus some list 2013-06-05 14:26:49 that would be nice 2013-06-05 14:26:59 i jusg wonder how/where to store it 2013-06-05 14:27:09 currently we have thie MIRRORS.txt 2013-06-05 14:27:43 here: http://git.alpinelinux.org/cgit/aports/tree/main/alpine-mirrors 2013-06-05 14:27:48 oh 2013-06-05 14:27:55 there is a RELEASES.txt too 2013-06-05 14:28:02 i wonder what that is used for 2013-06-05 14:28:59 fbettag: nl rsync is currently set to: RSYNC_OPTS="--bwlimit=5000" 2013-06-05 14:29:26 that is also the main mirror 2013-06-05 14:29:35 nl.a.o = rsync.a.o 2013-06-05 14:29:54 so nobody breaks are bw with a complete re-rsync 2013-06-05 14:30:42 looks like freenode is having sime issues. 2013-06-05 14:30:49 some... 2013-06-05 14:30:52 yeah 2013-06-05 14:30:58 i agree with that statement 2013-06-05 14:31:07 cause all of that text just now hit at once :) 2013-06-05 14:31:15 ncopa: if i just put -devel in the notifications i could start setting it up before we gathered a list of mail addresses 2013-06-05 14:31:30 is that tolerable/ 2013-06-05 14:31:33 nickserv and chanserv are in limbo 2013-06-05 14:31:42 we have alpine-infra mailing list 2013-06-05 14:31:44 ah 2013-06-05 14:31:49 i forgot about it again 2013-06-05 14:32:02 i wonder if we should switch to OFTC... 2013-06-05 14:32:04 clandmeter: kk 2013-06-05 14:32:17 im just waiting for flock package to build for freebsd ;) 2013-06-05 14:32:25 OFTC is worse in almost every way 2013-06-05 14:32:29 ok 2013-06-05 14:33:17 efnet! 2013-06-05 14:34:39 kaniini: what is the status of ARM? still going after your musl ideas? 2013-06-05 14:49:12 !ping 2013-06-05 14:49:13 :| 2013-06-05 14:50:08 ncopa: i will 2013-06-05 14:50:12 ncopa: i will send it as "wasted i.o. Ltd.", just so you know 2013-06-05 14:50:16 sorry wasted.io Ltd 2013-06-05 14:50:18 half brained day 2013-06-05 14:56:31 ok, good 2013-06-05 15:02:19 edge/releases/x86/alpine-edge-101203-x86.iso 39196672 100% 47.86MB/s 0:00:00 (xfer#7909, to-check=50057/57982) 2013-06-05 15:02:23 sweet 2013-06-05 15:03:21 hmm something not working with the bwlimit? 2013-06-05 15:03:33 darkfader: initial sync from hetzner mirror 2013-06-05 15:03:34 :P 2013-06-05 15:03:43 nice 2013-06-05 15:03:47 since we got a direct peer 2013-06-05 15:03:51 doesnt cost a think 2013-06-05 15:03:55 + only 15ms 2013-06-05 15:04:05 -k+g 2013-06-05 15:04:17 bbl 2013-06-05 15:04:42 $ ping6 dl-5.alpinelinux.org 2013-06-05 15:04:43 PING dl-5.alpinelinux.org(dl-5.alpinelinux.org) 56 data bytes 2013-06-05 15:04:44 64 bytes from dl-5.alpinelinux.org: icmp_seq=1 ttl=58 time=15.9 ms 2013-06-05 15:04:50 same for v4 2013-06-05 16:40:40 hello, i need a little help, setting up alpine as a gateway/firewall on a alix 2d13, it has 3 lan ports and a wlan module, i want every network device as a seperated vlan. 2013-06-05 16:43:48 i've set up the interfaces in /etc/network/interfaces, enabled ipv4 forwarding and configured a standard gateway for eth0 (way to the internet), dns is the same as the standard gateway. i could not ping the gateway from the router and also not from any other vlan 2013-06-05 16:44:11 any recommendations? anything i forgot or have to do? 2013-06-05 18:06:57 ncopa, ping & apologie 2013-06-05 18:09:16 will it be better for packagers to package firefox-esr instead latest firefox as now at version 20.x alpine is not up to date with it .. and esr could lower the pressure on packers while have maintaned security !? 2013-06-05 18:26:40 anybody could help? 2013-06-05 22:13:26 btw can anyone tell me where i find "locate" 2013-06-05 22:13:35 i mean in which package 2013-06-06 08:35:17 pyxdg?? 2013-06-06 11:37:57 lol, i got a stale nfs file handle 2013-06-06 11:38:01 alpine->alpine 2013-06-06 11:38:36 it's incredible how linux nfs hasn't really ever become reliable in so many years 2013-06-06 11:39:00 good enough for my home use anyway :) 2013-06-06 11:56:40 darkfaded what was the problem? 2013-06-06 11:56:53 darkfaded what was the problem? 2013-06-06 12:02:12 darkfaded what was the problem? 2013-06-06 12:02:16 got stuck 2013-06-06 12:02:20 sorry 2013-06-06 12:03:47 hehe 2013-06-06 12:03:54 well idk i did a remount and it was fine 2013-06-06 12:04:39 i had added the thing yesterday and ran a restore to it roughly 5GB 2013-06-06 12:04:54 and now i found it had gone stale 2013-06-06 12:05:00 dmesg on the client showed nothing 2013-06-06 12:05:34 probably if i hadn't used "intr" and instead defined retry/retrans it would have lasted? 2013-06-06 12:06:10 ah, portmapper on the fileserver might have died 2013-06-06 12:06:47 isnt rpcbind or similar supposed to replace portmapper? 2013-06-06 12:09:44 darkfader: i pushed cfengine to testing 2013-06-06 12:09:57 slighty different than the diff sent to ml 2013-06-06 12:10:10 i think we still need some init.d scripts 2013-06-06 12:12:44 ncopa: cooooool 2013-06-06 12:12:53 ncopa: rpcbind is "a" portmapper imho 2013-06-06 12:13:00 ok 2013-06-06 12:13:03 testing 2013-06-06 12:13:15 ok now it works 2013-06-06 12:13:17 i did showmount -e and it barked so that was just to indicated my fileserver was the issue and not the client 2013-06-06 12:13:37 so rpcbind had died? 2013-06-06 12:13:40 regarding cfengine, thanks for coming back to it, i didn't wanna ask about it any more 2013-06-06 12:13:52 i just forgot about it, sorry... 2013-06-06 12:14:06 ncopa: root 1119 1 0 Jun01 ? 00:00:00 /sbin/rpcbind 2013-06-06 12:14:12 it seems its broken not deadf 2013-06-06 12:14:16 i'll see tonight 2013-06-06 12:20:13 ncopa: it's very interesting! rpcinfo -p localhost is fine, showmount -e doesnt work 2013-06-06 12:20:32 so i'm missing nfs mountd or something 2013-06-06 12:20:35 i dont remember 2013-06-06 12:24:01 darkfader, that makes us 2 with an diff that I`m tryin to put NFS online for the 1st time (was always samba user/admin) 2013-06-06 12:27:23 freedomrun: you need to install / enable the following services 2013-06-06 12:27:27 nfs | default 2013-06-06 12:27:34 rpc.idmapd | default 2013-06-06 12:27:34 rpc.pipefs | default 2013-06-06 12:27:34 rpc.statd | default 2013-06-06 12:27:34 rpc.svcgssd | default 2013-06-06 12:27:34 rpcbind | default 2013-06-06 12:28:18 darkfader, thnx man writing it down 2013-06-06 12:32:15 (rc-update add nfs for example to enable) 2013-06-06 12:32:27 some of them are optional 2013-06-06 12:36:57 grr ..can`t figure this (5th alpine install on a fersh machine) starting firefox logs-out xfce session ?!?! 2013-06-06 12:37:09 anyone have clue? 2013-06-06 12:56:51 help 2013-06-06 12:59:04 no idea, sounds like it's using some X extension that doesnt work 2013-06-06 12:59:13 look in the xorg logfiles after the crash 2013-06-06 12:59:50 I did .. hmm looks clean .. will look again 2013-06-06 13:02:09 ok midori works .. need to get few things then I`ll try to inspect what`s wrong with ff 2013-06-06 13:07:48 freedomrun: try set ulimit -c before starting xfce 2013-06-06 13:09:24 you'll probably get a core dump 2013-06-06 13:09:24 what version of xfce4-session do you have? 2013-06-06 13:09:25 there was an issue with xfce-session that caused similar result 2013-06-06 13:09:53 ncopa,latest stable 2013-06-06 13:17:51 ncopa, also session is saved every time even it is not in xfce startup setup 2013-06-06 13:18:02 I`ll clean the cache and test it again 2013-06-06 13:18:33 i think something segfaults 2013-06-06 13:18:34 check dmesg 2013-06-06 13:19:51 ok 2013-06-06 13:23:38 dmesg complains: grsec denied something with xfce4-power-manager, one warring that ehci_hcd should always be loaded before uhci_hcd and ohci_hcd, not after, other than that nothing strange 2013-06-06 13:28:52 found it :) 2013-06-06 13:32:11 lxdm was setup to open openbox which is not working except starting gparted session directly from commandline and after doing rc-service lxdm stop then it works, but now xfce doesn`t open all applications on startup, also I`ve cleared xfce session files from ~./cache, but firefox still logs out xfce session hmm 2013-06-06 13:33:25 how much mem do you have? 2013-06-06 13:33:34 something is most likely segfaulting 2013-06-06 13:34:20 1,5 GB 2013-06-06 13:34:30 i think xorg or your xorg driver is segfaulting 2013-06-06 13:34:35 memtest showed everything ok 2013-06-06 13:34:41 it could be 2013-06-06 13:34:43 what xorg driver do you have? 2013-06-06 13:36:07 nouveau but it xorg.conf isn`t generated yet so it could be a prob .. it was onboard sis before but I rather paid for some old agp card than install anything other than alpine 2013-06-06 13:37:14 I`ll setup xorg first you`re right I need to go one step after another 2013-06-06 17:17:59 How can I make a alpine live usb stick persistent? 2013-06-06 17:19:11 on the usb stick itself of course 2013-06-06 17:58:45 How do I set the environment variables? 2013-06-06 17:59:11 ROOTFS=btrfs 2013-06-06 17:59:12 ? 2013-06-06 18:00:01 While ROOTFS overrule BOOTFS? 2013-06-06 18:01:17 will* 2013-06-06 18:10:30 mh 2013-06-06 18:29:19 mh, how can I install /boot on vfat? 2013-06-06 19:31:58 [];'= 2013-06-06 19:47:09 ncopa: solved the showmount issue 2013-06-06 19:47:12 it is awesome 2013-06-06 19:47:17 and a dns problem 2013-06-06 19:47:20 as it should be :) 2013-06-06 19:47:58 showmount is probably 100% copied from some unix because opposed to all things in linux it really does a full ip connect to localhost instead of loopholing somewhere 2013-06-06 19:48:09 my fileserver is since recently called vfile.deranfangvomend.de 2013-06-06 19:48:20 deranfangvomen.de has a wildcard pointing to my hosting server 2013-06-06 19:48:24 which doesnt offer nfs. 2013-06-06 19:48:38 that was fun :) 2013-06-06 19:56:45 with that said, it doesnt explain why that mount died and i will just hate something for it 2013-06-06 20:03:30 ncopa: hah, #syslinux said... [21:55] 5.02... that was never a release... 2013-06-06 20:03:32 :p 2013-06-06 20:04:23 [21:31] <@kaniini> [];'= what's that 2013-06-06 20:06:11 someone should get alpine-linux.org... and redirect it to alpinelinux.org 2013-06-06 20:12:06 oh 2013-06-06 20:12:09 yeah 2013-06-06 20:14:20 [22:13] does alpinelinux use glibc? 2013-06-06 20:14:23 was nutzt alpine? 2013-06-06 20:14:36 uclibc 2013-06-06 20:14:58 there's a howto for making a "glibc-chroot" 2013-06-06 20:15:21 die vom channel sagen, warum wir 5.02 verwenden 2013-06-06 20:15:33 keien ahnung und mir egal 2013-06-06 20:15:34 :also so abstoßend, weil das nur eine pre version war 2013-06-06 20:16:58 naja alpine hat nen sehr flinken entwicklungszyklus 2013-06-06 20:17:12 d.h. es lohnt nicht nachzudenken, weil das sehr bald auf ner aktuellen vesion sein wird 2013-06-06 20:20:17 achguck, deutsch geht ja auch :-) 2013-06-06 20:21:06 gelegentlich :) 2013-06-06 20:21:19 :D 2013-06-06 20:21:25 :-) 2013-06-06 20:23:00 shafire: es gab da auch noch ein paar patches an pygrub damit der alpine / syslinux booten kann 2013-06-06 20:23:04 vielleicht kam das daher? 2013-06-06 20:23:44 Der Fehler kommt nur, wenn ich mit Intel AMT KVM verbunden bin 2013-06-06 20:23:48 alles andere klappt super 2013-06-06 20:26:52 ah, weiss ich leider ned 2013-06-06 20:27:03 ist das ein server oder vpro workstation? 2013-06-06 20:29:22 vpro workstation 2013-06-06 20:29:50 Nutze es aber als Server 2013-06-06 20:30:14 http://www.portwell.com.tw/products/WADE-8014.html 2013-06-06 20:36:19 nett 2013-06-06 20:38:33 wenn ich das filesystem von /boot ändern möchte, kann ich einfach den inhalt kopieren, formatieren und zurückkopieren? 2013-06-06 20:38:39 oder geht dadurch irgendwas verloren? 2013-06-06 20:53:31 shafire: nettes board :-) 2013-06-06 20:53:46 gibt schon coole sachen mittlerweile 2013-06-06 20:53:54 ja, habe ein sample davon :) seit monaten 2013-06-06 20:54:24 hab auch ein paar solcher dinger in betrieb... 2013-06-06 20:54:43 wie kann ich jetzt eigentlich das dateisystem von /boot ändern :S 2013-06-06 20:57:11 StarWarsFan: ja, zusammen mit einem e3-1265lv2 wird das mein neuer server 2013-06-06 20:57:20 und das beste ist der ram :D 2013-06-06 20:57:38 ultra low ram 2013-06-06 20:57:41 halbe größe 2013-06-06 20:57:44 :-) 2013-06-06 20:57:52 hier meine maschinchen: 2013-06-06 20:57:56 4 tage im netz gesucht und dann doch gefunden, 2x 8gb ecc 2013-06-06 20:57:57 router: http://gallery.starwarsfan.de/index.php/computer/Roon 2013-06-06 20:58:10 file-/mail-server: http://gallery.starwarsfan.de/index.php/computer/bakura 2013-06-06 20:58:21 backup-server: http://gallery.starwarsfan.de/index.php/computer/kessel 2013-06-06 20:58:38 und das ganze dann noch ein wenig angehübscht: http://gallery.starwarsfan.de/index.php/computer/lcd 2013-06-06 20:58:40 :-) 2013-06-06 20:58:41 "Links (m)ein Build-Server, rechts oben der Router (fli4l), darunter File- und Mailserver (eisfair) sowie ganz unten der Backup-Server (eisfair)." 2013-06-06 20:58:45 kein alpine? :( 2013-06-06 20:58:59 bei alpine bin ich erst seit ca. nem halben jahr 2013-06-06 20:59:02 Bist du gerade in der Schweiz? 2013-06-06 20:59:08 ich wohne da 2013-06-06 20:59:17 und die .de? 2013-06-06 20:59:28 von da komme ich ursprünglich ;-) 2013-06-06 20:59:34 ;-) 2013-06-06 20:59:53 warum bist du nun dort? 2013-06-06 21:00:02 nicht wegen den autobahnen? :D 2013-06-06 21:00:08 no future @D 2013-06-06 21:01:30 was machst du denn? 2013-06-06 21:01:42 ACTION ist java-entwickler 2013-06-06 21:02:08 aber beschäftige mich hauptsächlich mit CI sowie build- und release-management 2013-06-06 21:02:17 im moment bei der SBB 2013-06-06 21:02:27 ah ok 2013-06-06 21:08:21 Nutzt Ihr btrfs? 2013-06-06 21:08:28 Ist das mkfs.btrfs? 2013-06-06 21:08:56 ACTION kann dir da nich helfen :-/ 2013-06-06 21:19:31 mh, ich nutze jetzt ext2 for /boot und btrfs für / 2013-06-06 21:27:47 StarWarsFan: was macht eigentlich dein buildserver? 2013-06-06 21:28:47 was der name sagt :-) 2013-06-06 21:29:49 package bauen, mehr nicht? 2013-06-06 21:30:01 oder java jenkins zeug? 2013-06-06 21:30:16 jenkins hat nicht unbedingt was mit java zu tun 2013-06-06 21:30:25 ich baue alle meine pakete mit jenkins 2013-06-06 21:30:32 also auch eisfair- und alpine-pakete 2013-06-06 21:30:42 aber auf der maschine sind auch diverse mirrors drauf 2013-06-06 21:30:49 wie bspw. ein alpine-mirror ;-) 2013-06-06 21:31:11 gibt es ein tutorial, wie man mit jenkins das macht? :) 2013-06-06 21:31:16 ich kenne mich damit noch nicht aus 2013-06-06 21:31:29 Kann ich mit jenkins auch meine Ada Projekte bauen lassen? 2013-06-06 21:31:45 alles was irgendwie via cmdline geht, geht auch mit jenkins 2013-06-06 21:31:57 das ist sehr gut :-) 2013-06-06 21:32:02 jenkins also empfehlenswert? 2013-06-06 21:32:06 auf jeden fall 2013-06-06 21:33:43 dann schaue ich mir das auch mal an 2013-06-06 21:34:06 jenkins.war runterladen 2013-06-06 21:34:10 java -jar jenkins.war 2013-06-06 21:34:16 und der server läuft :-) 2013-06-06 21:34:27 zum rumspielen erstmal völlig ausreichend 2013-06-06 21:34:51 da könnte ich ja glatt ein alpine-paket draus machen... 2013-06-06 21:34:57 oder gibts das schon? 2013-06-06 21:34:59 gleich mal suchen... 2013-06-06 21:35:17 nein, gibts nicht 2013-06-06 21:35:29 ACTION <-- todo: setup alpine-jenkins package 2013-06-06 21:35:30 :-) 2013-06-06 21:37:09 :-) 2013-06-06 21:40:45 habe meine uni angefragt, ob die alpine nicht spiegeln wollen :-) 2013-06-06 21:40:48 mal schauen 2013-06-06 21:40:56 das wäre? 2013-06-06 21:41:23 uni stuttgart 2013-06-06 21:41:27 i c 2013-06-06 21:41:41 ? 2013-06-06 21:41:50 i see 2013-06-06 21:41:59 :) 2013-06-06 21:44:07 setup-disk hat mir mein /boot wieder auf ext2 formatiert :o 2013-06-06 21:44:07 eh 2013-06-06 21:44:17 auf ext4 2013-06-06 21:44:17 ich wollte ext2 :-( 2013-06-06 21:44:47 ACTION macht die biege für heut... 2013-06-06 21:44:49 n8@all 2013-06-06 21:45:34 bye 2013-06-07 15:58:55 hello. just been playing with apline-xen.iso very neat 2013-06-07 16:00:29 sadly, i had to leave work for home, where I don't have any kit to play with. 2013-06-07 16:01:15 xen and dom0 alpine-linux in RAM off a USB is very cool. 2013-06-07 16:02:36 need to read up more about how alpine-linux does it's thing in RAM, like persistant write backs etc 2013-06-07 16:04:07 i take it that I can write to something other than the same USB, like a logical volume. Does stock alpine have LVM? 2013-06-07 16:08:05 or do i need to apk add 2013-06-07 16:08:19 (sorry, nothing to test) 2013-06-07 17:27:30 ScrumpyJack: add 2013-06-07 17:27:44 package is lvm2 and you need to rc-update lvm2 after adding it 2013-06-07 17:27:59 it might be in the xen-alpine iso i didn't use that for long time 2013-06-07 17:28:16 the thing you wanna read about is "LBU" 2013-06-07 17:43:26 hi. 2013-06-07 17:43:47 alpine have support for ceph ? 2013-06-07 17:46:05 castorinop1: the uclibc ports of ceph arent anywhere near ready. you should be able to modprobe rbd w/o issues though 2013-06-07 17:46:17 at worst, you'd need to build it - i'll check 2013-06-07 17:46:42 yeah no rbd module either 2013-06-07 17:46:48 but that's not a big deal 2013-06-07 17:46:54 the kernel is quite clean 2013-06-07 17:47:19 so, ceph client no big deal, osd/mds/mon you'd need to test and pray 2013-06-07 17:50:51 darkfader: ncopa: working on quassel now 2013-06-07 17:51:10 i think, there will be another patch later today... ;-) 2013-06-07 17:51:21 but at first: dinner! 2013-06-07 17:52:07 quassel?!! 2013-06-07 17:58:25 darkfader: mea culpa, wrong nick choosen 2013-06-07 17:58:39 s/darkfader/barthalion/g ;-) 2013-06-07 18:06:46 Haloo! I'v had problem getting ppp to run so i reinstalled with the latest alpine but it seems like the same ... if i run ifconfig ppp0 up i get .. ioctl 0x8913 failed.. and if i do a pidof ppp or pppd adter i modprobe ppp i dont get anything.. it seems to me ppp is not starting alright.. do anyone here have any ideas how to check why? 2013-06-07 18:08:00 is the module loaded 2013-06-07 18:12:44 darkfader, ppp_generic and ppp_async is there when i do lsmode and slhc is used by ppp_generic 2013-06-07 18:13:25 oki 2013-06-07 18:13:34 then i unfortunately don't know 2013-06-07 18:14:17 but i dont get a pidof ppp like it says in the wiki! 2013-06-07 22:15:17 Hope everyone has a good weekend... Just wanted to mention that Xen-Alpine 2.60 now works great with sdl when I rebuild with the proper sdl-dev support. 2013-06-07 22:16:14 Only problem, is that I can't run xl pci-assignable-add b:d.f. It locks up the system. 2013-06-07 22:16:56 In fact, if I install Xen-Alpine 2.5.4 all is fine until I upgrade to edge 2013-06-07 22:18:15 n8@all 2013-06-07 22:18:18 Just wanted to mention that, in case, anyone is interested. You need to be able to use pci-assignable-add if you want to PCI-passthrough a GPU. 2013-06-08 18:52:03 "Alpine Linux will be booted in 2 seconds, 1 second..." 2013-06-08 18:52:20 Where is that file located? 2013-06-08 19:21:39 i'm running alpine on virtual box and the system time is constantly out of sync, e.g. i have to restart chrony before every git commit i issue in order to have the right time in the logs. the sync is so bad, that if i leave it for a few days, it does not even show the correct day (it can be a few days off) :( 2013-06-08 19:22:25 any ideas why that happens? 2013-06-10 02:11:19 hi, does anybody know what the minimum and/or recommended hardware requirements for alpine linux are? 2013-06-10 02:13:23 20MB of ram, 100MB of hard disk space i'd say :p 2013-06-10 02:25:51 only 20mb? 2013-06-10 02:26:13 that's about what it uses on a clean installation yeah 2013-06-10 02:26:44 ok,thnx 2013-06-10 02:28:48 np 2013-06-10 05:02:09 Moinmoin 2013-06-10 05:35:51 When I try to do a 'sys' installation I get an error msg: No such file on lib/modules/3.9.4-1-grsec/kernel/drivers/uwb/i1480/i1480-est.ko and on /media/cdrom/apks/x86/linux-grsec-3.9.4-r1.apk; I followed the tutorial for 2.2.2 and later (i'm using 2.6.1 32 bit; trying to install it in vmware player vm), there's no internet connection available to get the pkg's; do I need to use an earlier iso? 2013-06-10 05:36:52 anybody experienced this problem before? 2013-06-10 06:18:22 Bump: Anyone? When I try to do a 'sys' installation I get an error msg: No such file on lib/modules/3.9.4-1-grsec/kernel/drivers/uwb/i1480/i1480-est.ko and on /media/cdrom/apks/x86/linux-grsec-3.9.4-r1.apk; I followed the tutorial for 2.2.2 and later (i'm using 2.6.1 32 bit; trying to install it in vmware player vm), there's no internet connection available to get the pkg's; do I need to use an earlier iso? anybody experien 2013-06-10 06:31:55 JJ: hi 2013-06-10 06:32:58 i have not seen that error 2013-06-10 06:33:05 when does it happen? 2013-06-10 06:33:20 during the install (eg, while running setup-alpine)? 2013-06-10 06:33:37 or does it happen after you boot up the installed sys? 2013-06-10 07:07:35 it happens during setup-alpine 2013-06-10 07:10:32 I tried the steps manually, and it fails @ apk add --root=/mnt --initdb $(cat /etc/apk/world) 2013-06-10 07:11:08 I followed this walkthru: http://wiki.alpinelinux.org/wiki/Installing_Alpine_on_HDD_overwriting_everything 2013-06-10 07:21:04 I don't think it has to do with it, but I'm running a VMWare virtual machine, 300mb hd, 256mb ram, 1 NIC, 1 cpu; used the vmware instructions as provided on the alpine website. it seems the pkg's are not there anymore? 2013-06-10 07:32:25 darkfader: thanks for the reply on Friday. Just wondering, when using zen+alpine-dom0, what do people here use to carve out volumes for virtual machines? 2013-06-10 08:55:18 found the problem 2013-06-10 08:56:22 300mb is not enough; error message is misleading. I found out because I tried version 2.4.11, this one failed too, but gave the message the diskspace was not enough 2013-06-10 08:57:00 then retried 2.6.1 with a bigger disk, and now no message about missing pkg's 2013-06-10 09:01:50 ah good 2013-06-10 09:02:06 linux kernel eats much space, yes 2013-06-10 09:03:50 I really miss the minimal hardware requirements on the alpine site; it took me half a day... 2013-06-10 09:06:19 goodpoint 2013-06-10 09:06:25 its a wiki... ;) 2013-06-10 09:14:37 it's redmine...;-) 2013-06-10 09:15:18 I'm off. thnx! 2013-06-10 10:14:09 "minimal hardware requirements" I thought only MS was providing that? 2013-06-10 10:16:44 *g* 2013-06-10 10:45:24 ScrumpyJack: i just make lvm volumes, my std is 10gb for OS + 1GB for swap + 20GB for data 2013-06-10 10:45:32 so 3 lv per vm 2013-06-10 10:46:06 and the servers normally have 2 vg's, one for VMs, one for backups 2013-06-10 10:46:36 i don't do any "power" stuff like extracting snapshots from one VG onto the other 2013-06-10 10:46:50 maybe i should :) 2013-06-10 10:46:59 and NO thin provisioning 2013-06-10 10:47:08 alpine doesn't have the thin fsck tools for one 2013-06-10 13:01:49 I get this from time to time, is this normal : "Error: this script should be called from udhcpc" 2013-06-10 13:01:58 when I do udhcpc -i eth0 it works 2013-06-10 13:03:12 when do you get that? 2013-06-10 13:09:16 I got it during boot up i think, gonna have to look up the picture i took 2013-06-10 13:10:01 one time during setup-alpine after typing in root password 2013-06-10 13:10:19 and another time just doing udhcpc -i eth0 2013-06-10 13:10:28 i remember ive seen it before 2013-06-10 13:10:41 ncopa: any clue to this msg? 2013-06-10 13:11:05 it doesn't seem to pick up ip readily from dhcp 2013-06-10 13:11:39 this was on the alpine xen, but I notice it before on just alpine too 2013-06-10 13:11:54 i alos have it at boot on some vm's, but i am not sure if the issue is me. i have many that i installed via chroot 2013-06-10 13:12:52 I can send a blurry picture later if necessary 2013-06-10 13:16:20 i have seen the message too, but i dont remember how 2013-06-10 13:48:34 darkfader: It would be cool to have LVM2 in the xen+alpine iso. Where is the suggestion box? Also, what do you use for xen domU, xen-xend? 2013-06-10 13:50:18 xl 2013-06-10 13:50:32 the suggestion box is dev.opennebula.org and the bugtracker :) 2013-06-10 13:57:32 is there a xl package (xen-tools) for alpine or is only xend (xen-xend) available? 2013-06-10 14:16:46 (So, is alpine-linux the xen Dom0 of choice for opennebula?) 2013-06-10 14:19:14 ScrumpyJack: xl comes with the default xen package, if you want xend you will have to install xend manually 2013-06-10 14:20:07 ScrumpyJack: you don't need any specific package for xl because it's the default toolstack 2013-06-10 14:51:06 thanks for the info 2013-06-10 14:51:44 I want to suggest lvm2 package to alpine-xen 2013-06-10 14:57:52 Frosh: sorry i *lol* just mixed up the urls 2013-06-10 14:58:02 dev.alpinelinux.org would be much more correct 2013-06-10 14:58:17 or whatever. you can find the bugtracker, can't you? :) 2013-06-10 14:59:14 re: opennebula, until libvirt support is really working you cannot use any xl-based xen build with opennebula or openstack or whatever 2013-06-10 15:25:44 I use lvm2 also... 2013-06-10 15:28:24 Just tested xen direct PCI passthrough with 2.6.1 and I was able to pci-assignable-add the first time I started. 2013-06-10 15:28:55 But when I xl create w7.cfg with PCI passthrough, it locked up machine again. 2013-06-10 15:30:00 Just a point of mention. I'll report as I can... 2.5.4 Alpine-Xen works fine. 2013-06-10 15:39:13 Dave1029: anything in terms of lockups on recent xen is probably better in xen-devel 2013-06-10 15:41:09 Thanks buddy... You are right, as always :-) 2013-06-10 15:45:19 lol 2013-06-10 16:54:21 don't quote me, but I believe when I did the udhcpc -i eth0 , it happens right when it sends the DISCOVER, issue seems to go away when I set a static ip address 2013-06-10 16:55:50 also networking doesn't seem to work right off the bat, from the livecd, i have to do setup-alpine to get it going, which is one of the instances I ran into the issue 2013-06-11 02:11:58 how do i set /etc/TZ 2013-06-11 02:11:59 ? 2013-06-11 02:12:15 say for Monteal (estern time north america) 2013-06-11 02:12:19 i have this: 2013-06-11 02:12:24 America/Montreal 2013-06-11 02:12:33 but it has not effect! 2013-06-11 02:12:44 date still returns UTC 2013-06-11 02:12:46 time 2013-06-11 02:12:49 any idea? 2013-06-11 05:10:50 glphvgac1, run 'setup-timezone' ? 2013-06-11 05:13:44 Hi. Is awall currently recommended for usage over the normal iptables config? I can't find much documentation on Alpine Wall. 2013-06-11 05:18:06 lmerg, we have it in production use, but depending on setup iptables might be easier. 2013-06-11 05:18:23 awall is way better if you have set of policies you want on/off per-box 2013-06-11 05:18:44 but docs are limited. the two wiki pages are relatively good, though 2013-06-11 05:23:58 I'll have to decide if I want to learn iptables or awall I suppose. 2013-06-11 05:25:06 Next question: any gotchas with unbound on Alpine? With a basic config, it doesn't start and I can't get any error messages. This is my first time learning with this stuff. 2013-06-11 05:27:17 Nevermind, I got what I understand is reverse caching configured, but nothing fancier. 2013-06-11 05:40:52 lmerg, using unbound here as recursive resolver. with ipv4 and ipv6. seems ok. 2013-06-11 05:42:58 Ok, It looks like I'm just struggling to learn the concepts and config syntax. Thanks. 2013-06-11 07:09:42 fabled: regarding awall. I hear you know the dev who is working on it. would be nice concidereing the its rather difficult to read documentation (for the avarage joe) to have some working samples on the wiki. 2013-06-11 07:10:12 -the 2013-06-11 07:18:41 i that we had few examples there. 2013-06-11 07:18:46 thought* 2013-06-11 07:19:17 clandmeter, but yes, he's also working on acf2 2013-06-11 07:28:05 I understand. no rush. 2013-06-11 08:37:13 clandmeter: i just discovered that the crystalhd driver appears to be in the mainline kernel 2013-06-11 08:37:15 in staging 2013-06-11 08:37:36 do you mind if i neable it there and kill the 3rdparty crystalhd driver? 2013-06-11 08:46:27 go ahead 2013-06-11 08:46:37 i was planning to buy one, but never did. 2013-06-12 11:57:30 Hi, I wanted to play around with Twisted, but it will not compile the C-extensions on Alpine. Is there a way to confirm that Alpine has the right uclibc files? 2013-06-12 12:05:22 hi lmerg 2013-06-12 12:05:24 what is the erorr? 2013-06-12 12:06:05 I hope this is ok.... 2013-06-12 12:06:30 building 'twisted.test.raiser' extension 2013-06-12 12:06:31 gcc -pthread -fno-strict-aliasing -Os -fomit-frame-pointer -DNDEBUG -Os -fomit-frame-pointer -fPIC -I/usr/include/python2.7 -c twisted/test/raiser.c -o build/temp.linux-i686-2.7/twisted/test/raiser.o 2013-06-12 12:06:33 In file included from /usr/lib/gcc/i486-alpine-linux-uclibc/4.7.3/include-fixed/syslimits.h:7:0, 2013-06-12 12:06:34 from /usr/lib/gcc/i486-alpine-linux-uclibc/4.7.3/include-fixed/limits.h:34, 2013-06-12 12:06:36 from /usr/include/python2.7/Python.h:19, 2013-06-12 12:06:37 from twisted/test/raiser.c:4: 2013-06-12 12:06:40 compilation terminated. 2013-06-12 12:06:40 error: command 'gcc' failed with exit status 1 2013-06-12 12:07:47 can you pastebin the complete log? 2013-06-12 12:07:57 yeah 2013-06-12 12:09:33 http://pastebin.com/NvCSnXDn 2013-06-12 12:10:47 This error also appears with `pip install twisted` 2013-06-12 12:11:44 looks like an rpc issue 2013-06-12 12:11:58 can you install libtirpc-dev and see what happends? 2013-06-12 12:12:03 yar 2013-06-12 12:13:52 no change: http://pastebin.com/nHT4ZtSF 2013-06-12 12:14:41 ncopa: can you help? 2013-06-12 12:17:13 hi 2013-06-12 12:17:36 conftest.c:1:23: fatal error: sys/epoll.h: No such file or directory 2013-06-12 12:17:53 lmerg: do you have the uclibc-dev package installed? 2013-06-12 12:18:05 try: apk add build-base 2013-06-12 12:18:38 It looks like I have uclibc-dev 2013-06-12 12:19:07 $ apk info --who-owns /usr/include/sys/epoll.h 2013-06-12 12:19:16 /usr/include/sys/epoll.h is owned by uclibc-dev-0.9.33.2-r22 2013-06-12 12:19:30 it looks like it just built after 'apk add uclibc-dev' 2013-06-12 12:19:49 good 2013-06-12 12:20:03 build-base should pull in the standard things to make things build 2013-06-12 12:20:09 gcc, binutils uclibc-dev 2013-06-12 12:20:15 probably gnu make too 2013-06-12 12:20:29 ok, I'll add that too. I wasn't sure what to grab along with gcc. 2013-06-12 12:21:26 btw 2013-06-12 12:21:35 i think there are a twisted package already 2013-06-12 12:21:39 apk add py-twisted 2013-06-12 12:22:08 apk search twisted 2013-06-12 12:23:02 I thought I might get away without feeling like I asked a foolish question. But you've disabused me of that pretty quick. I was looking originally for BuildBot (obviously I'm just learning) and forgot to apk search twisted after it hung there. Anyway, many thanks. 2013-06-12 12:25:36 worst thing that might happen if you ask stupid questions is getting stupid answers :) 2013-06-12 12:29:53 well I'm certainly not doing this to learn anything god forbid 2013-06-12 12:35:51 :) 2013-06-12 21:39:19 nl infra is going down for a minute (or 2) 2013-06-13 13:52:11 "cat: can't open '/sys/class/net/br0/brif/wlan0/state" Is this normal for wlan on bridge? 2013-06-13 14:24:04 dunno 2013-06-13 14:24:23 but i think there might be special considerations when it comes to bridges and wlans 2013-06-13 15:23:15 https://imageshack.us/a/img812/7774/alpineudhcpd.jpg the udhcpd bug?? mesg 2013-06-13 15:23:41 or maybe user error :P 2013-06-13 20:50:59 so has anyone jerry rigged mono into working on uclibc yet? 2013-06-14 05:54:14 Frosh: i think it might happen if it does not get any ip 2013-06-14 12:30:56 ncopa: kvm crashed 2013-06-14 12:31:05 aw 2013-06-14 12:31:25 and i dont know why 2013-06-14 12:31:27 do you know what caused it? 2013-06-14 12:31:29 :-( 2013-06-14 12:31:30 or what 2013-06-14 12:31:38 what kernel version? 2013-06-14 12:32:14 Linux kvm 3.9.2-2-grsec #3-Alpine SMP Fri May 17 08:49:39 UTC 2013 x86_64 Linux 2013-06-14 12:32:46 hmm 2013-06-14 12:32:58 i hope i didnt do anything stupid 2013-06-14 12:33:38 virsh doesnt list anything 2013-06-14 12:36:57 weird, all the configs are in place but it doesnt list any vm 2013-06-14 13:04:45 ncopa: but its strange, so during the bootup for br0 it doesn't go, but when I do it udhcpc -i br0 it works 2013-06-14 13:05:40 i think maybe bridge has a delay 2013-06-14 13:05:47 before it is active 2013-06-14 13:05:59 you could try disable stp 2013-06-14 13:06:27 hm 2013-06-14 13:07:12 i have only bridge ports set 2013-06-14 13:07:42 Frosh: brctl show br0 2013-06-14 13:07:49 is stp on? 2013-06-14 13:08:50 ahh, prolly not 2013-06-14 13:09:32 but I would think spanning tree protocol makes it negotiate to see if its looping, but i'll look into that 2013-06-14 13:09:47 thanks 2013-06-14 13:10:28 yes, but i think if stp is on it could make delay 2013-06-14 13:10:33 or something 2013-06-14 13:15:27 I've install alpine like 20 times this week, just to find my motherboard doesn't support vga passthrough :( 2013-06-14 13:16:00 what is data for compare to sys? 2013-06-14 13:21:02 'data' install will run 'diskless' (boot from usb/cf but / is on tmpfs) - but with a disk mounted as /var 2013-06-14 13:21:39 while 'sys' will make a traditional disk install 2013-06-14 13:22:16 'data' will be like a 'livecd' but with /var mounted on disk 2013-06-14 13:36:11 Is there a difference in command "mount -t ext4 /dev/sda1 /mnt/boot" and "mount -t ext4 /dev/sda1 /mnt/boot/" so the / at the end? cause it seems to make a difference 2013-06-14 13:45:37 shouldnt make any diff 2013-06-14 13:50:15 maybe I'm seeing things. 2013-06-14 13:50:21 Thanks for all the work you put into it 2013-06-14 13:50:39 Frosh: can you see the "/" ending up in /proc/mounts, too? 2013-06-14 13:53:20 I'll take a look next time I do a install, my last issue of the day is sometimes I have to reboot or redo fdisk /dev/sda to be able to mount it, it seems crazy. Its just odd. 2013-06-14 13:56:17 hehe yeah sounds crazy :) 2013-06-14 17:55:45 hi 2013-06-15 13:05:45 hi alpine people, i need some help with nginx 2013-06-15 13:12:44 received nginx: [emerg] getpwnam("http") failed, based on google, i should delete # and first line equal user nobody 2013-06-15 13:13:05 is that correct? coz i dont find any manual or step regarding this 2013-06-15 13:41:40 writeconsole: the package doesnt create it's user 2013-06-15 13:41:49 you could run it as nobody, i didn't try that 2013-06-15 13:41:57 i added a user "http" i think 2013-06-15 13:42:05 http:x:81:81:http:/var/www:/bin/false 2013-06-15 13:42:11 need to add the group too 2013-06-15 13:42:33 but i saw a nobody user created default, is that ok? 2013-06-15 13:42:36 i think in earlier versions there was also an issue with the docroot, didn't encounter that 2013-06-15 13:42:43 writeconsole: well, i just said i didn't try it 2013-06-15 13:42:59 hi darkfader , i just feel i need to say hi first, being new here =) 2013-06-15 13:43:50 :) hi 2013-06-15 13:44:10 anyway, try setting it to nobody, i'd hope it works as nobody as well 2013-06-15 13:44:19 darkfader: its ok, i saw it chroot auto to /usr/html, good it works now 2013-06-15 13:44:27 k 2013-06-15 14:33:00 rc-status shows php-fpm [crashed], any idea how i should debug it? 2013-06-15 14:33:33 but /etc/init.d/php-fpm start and /etc/init.d/php-fpm stop without error 2013-06-15 14:34:51 uname -a Linux a32 3.9.4-1-grsec #2-Alpine SMP Tue Jun 4 06:18:54 UTC 2013 i686 Linux 2013-06-15 14:41:56 . /var/log/php-fpm.log showing [16-Jun-2013 22:39:36] NOTICE: ready to handle connections 2013-06-15 14:42:15 but rc-status shows php-fpm [crashed], kinda weird 2013-06-15 15:19:11 wanna ask, is that normal for rc-status to show php-fpm [crashed] but i am able to ? 2013-06-15 15:19:26 just wanna know what it means by [crashed] in rc-status 2013-06-16 10:16:35 * Starting networking ... * lo ... [ ok ] 2013-06-16 10:16:35 * eth0 ...Error: this script should be called from udhcpc 2013-06-16 10:16:36 [ !! ] 2013-06-16 10:16:52 ok i found the box where i consistently have that error 2013-06-16 10:17:06 don't ask *why* my proxy/lab router vm is still on dhcp 2013-06-16 10:17:36 ACTION tests via networking restart 2013-06-16 10:18:06 does not happen there 2013-06-16 10:18:41 any suggestions where the two procedures (boot) and (post-boot restart) differ? 2013-06-16 10:19:07 interface conf: 2013-06-16 10:19:07 auto eth0 2013-06-16 10:19:07 iface eth0 inet dhcp hostname vrouter 2013-06-16 10:19:17 (which a line break) 2013-06-17 13:09:11 anyone know how to add mii-tool? 2013-06-17 13:09:56 cowsftw: ethtool? 2013-06-17 13:10:24 Some of my nic don't respond fully to ethtool 2013-06-17 13:10:28 ok 2013-06-17 13:10:36 do you know source package mii-tool comes with? 2013-06-17 13:10:42 net-tools 2013-06-17 13:23:37 I'm new to Alpine, are there alternate package repositories? or will I need to re-port this myself? 2013-06-17 13:34:13 i'm looking at it 2013-06-17 13:34:21 we dont have any net-tools pkg 2013-06-17 13:34:32 i wonder if i should make an mii-tool subpkg 2013-06-17 13:34:59 google sez there was one around 2006 2013-06-17 13:35:45 that was probably when we used gentoo to build alpine 2013-06-17 13:50:09 cowsftw: i jsut built net-tools for you 2013-06-17 13:50:16 its available in edge/testing for now 2013-06-17 13:50:36 wow thx 2013-06-17 13:50:54 i also splitted out mii-tool 2013-06-17 13:51:28 so you should be able to add '@edge/testing http://nl.alpinelinux.org/alpine/edge/testing' to /etc/apk/repositories 2013-06-17 13:51:37 and then: apk add mii-tool@edge/testing 2013-06-17 13:58:05 and it works like a charm on old tulip driven nic. Thanks much. 2013-06-17 13:58:28 i think I'll move it to main so it gets available in v2.7 2013-06-17 14:00:03 cowsftw: do you need it in v2.6? 2013-06-17 14:00:17 i think mii-tool might be worth backporting 2013-06-17 14:02:13 student using antique equipment. First firewall, first server. This works fine for me. But others using tulip driven eth might find it useful. 2013-06-18 12:37:32 darkfader: Good morning. You and I were talking about acf 2013-06-18 12:38:04 hah, don't trick me into that 2013-06-18 12:38:19 i just said i heard some thing you were interested in would be possible 2013-06-18 12:38:19 I was mentioning how I would like to use it to transfer files from one Alpine PC to another PC...weren't we? 2013-06-18 12:38:30 don't think that was in it 2013-06-18 12:38:42 i think we stopped at managing a list of vm images or so 2013-06-18 12:38:59 OK... don't mean to put words in your mouth :-) 2013-06-18 12:39:36 I would like to build a prototype to be able to transfer those lvm vg's from one machine to another. 2013-06-18 12:40:05 Possible? 2013-06-18 12:41:16 Dave1029: it;s outside of what i know 2013-06-18 12:41:27 i can help you with all the lvm guts stuff 2013-06-18 12:41:36 but as to acf you gotta wait for the dev 2013-06-18 12:42:22 i dont think you can use acf to move one lvm to another machine 2013-06-18 12:42:45 ncopa: are there any modules that fire off long running tasks 2013-06-18 12:42:53 (i know none) 2013-06-18 12:43:08 apk upgrade, on slowwwwwwww internet line 2013-06-18 12:43:12 :> 2013-06-18 12:43:16 i dont think that issue is resolved 2013-06-18 12:43:26 does acf do things like tracking such a long task? 2013-06-18 12:43:34 TY... I see acf2 work being done... 2013-06-18 12:43:43 i.e. if the box crashed, would it know it had a task going on 2013-06-18 12:45:34 darkfader: nope 2013-06-18 12:45:44 thats one of the reasons that we work on acf2 2013-06-18 12:45:49 will handle that much better 2013-06-18 12:46:06 ncopa: TY 2013-06-18 12:46:16 kunkku, the acf2 guy, is doing good stuff 2013-06-18 12:46:25 it is possible to test it already 2013-06-18 12:46:47 we are planning for a demo 2013-06-18 12:46:49 ncopa: How to get it? 2013-06-18 12:46:53 on what we are thinking to do there 2013-06-18 12:47:01 Cool. 2013-06-18 12:47:10 i must admit 2013-06-18 12:47:14 i have had an eye on it 2013-06-18 12:47:18 looking what he has done 2013-06-18 12:47:21 started with api 2013-06-18 12:47:26 json stuff 2013-06-18 12:47:28 bash shell 2013-06-18 12:47:32 well not that fun 2013-06-18 12:47:35 then suddenly 2013-06-18 12:47:40 minimalistic javascript client 2013-06-18 12:47:43 ugly css 2013-06-18 12:47:56 but shows off the potensial in the transaction manager etc 2013-06-18 12:48:02 i got really imressed 2013-06-18 12:48:06 http://git.alpinelinux.org/cgit/kunkku/acf2 2013-06-18 12:48:17 git clone git://git.alpinelinux.org/kunkku/acf2 2013-06-18 12:48:21 cd acf2 2013-06-18 12:48:40 sudo sh install-deps.sh 2013-06-18 12:48:57 and sh run-server.sh 8000 2013-06-18 12:49:11 then point webbrowser to http://:8000 2013-06-18 12:50:42 ncopa: TY\ 2013-06-18 12:51:06 In the past, we used nginx, btorrent, json and a "traffic cop" to manage multiple VM PC's 2013-06-18 12:51:22 cool 2013-06-18 12:51:32 btorrent? 2013-06-18 12:51:45 bit torrent... 2013-06-18 12:52:06 We could grab .vdi's and pull them up to the "server" and then push them out (one at a time, or to a bunch of PC's in the "hierarchy") 2013-06-18 12:52:29 so the managed VMs shared the vdi's over a local bittorrent 2013-06-18 12:52:35 thats pretty clever 2013-06-18 12:53:19 Yep, but it was complicated. We had a web server on each of the Linux PC's and ran Windows as a VM on those PC's 2013-06-18 12:54:05 The PC's webserver would talk to the "traffic cop" and we would be able to manage mass PC's that way. 2013-06-18 12:54:41 Since acf can be included on each Dom0/Alpine box, I was wondering if we could use that as part of the framework for that management/transfer/hierarchy piece. 2013-06-18 12:55:30 We could use the "traffic cop" to shut off all Alpine boxes, transfer updated DomU's, take snapshots, etc. lots' of cool stuff :-) 2013-06-18 13:09:49 ncopa: Anyway, thanks for the info, my friend. 2013-06-18 13:12:04 not this week 2013-06-18 13:12:05 :) 2013-06-18 13:12:24 but we are talking about how to manage a bunch of alpine boxes with acf2 2013-06-18 13:12:40 acf2 as a framework looks very promising 2013-06-18 13:13:20 That is what I was hoping... 2013-06-18 13:17:55 Dave1029: i'm not sure it's ideal to first pull the vdis' to the server and copy them from there 2013-06-18 13:18:02 you'll spend a lot of time waiting 2013-06-18 13:18:21 if the "server" already has permission to do stuff on the other boxes, it can put the task to them 2013-06-18 13:19:43 darkfader: In the educational environment that I work, we only make a couple of base images, and bring them "up" so that we can push them out as needed - for updates, for new software, etc. 2013-06-18 13:20:20 The images reside on the local PC's. The traffic cop is used only as a golden image repo. 2013-06-18 13:20:23 ah, ok so they stay static 2013-06-18 13:20:32 Yep 2013-06-18 13:21:08 if you need to deploy to > 20 clients you could think about bittorrent (i.e. systemimager used that) 2013-06-18 13:21:41 but i guess some compression also works well 2013-06-18 13:22:01 $oldjob was just 10 clients but the reimaging got annoying for me over time 2013-06-18 13:23:52 Bit Torrent is what we used... That gave us some redundancy if the network went down or bits' got lost 2013-06-18 13:29:09 ncopa: do I need to setup-acf first? 2013-06-18 13:29:48 I get a ERROR: 1 unsatisfiable dependencies: 2013-06-18 13:29:48 world: .acf2-deps 2013-06-18 13:30:13 Dave1029: you shodul not run setup-acf 2013-06-18 13:30:25 might be you need the testing repository 2013-06-18 13:30:34 for uwsgi 2013-06-18 13:31:58 ncopa: TY. How do I get uwsgi? not apk add uwsgi... 2013-06-18 13:33:19 its in edge/testing repo 2013-06-18 13:38:54 Got it. TY 2013-06-18 13:39:04 Duh... 2013-06-18 13:39:31 can jigdo be used instead of bittorrent ? 2013-06-18 13:40:27 though jigdo templates are much larger than torrent files 2013-06-18 13:42:54 vkrishn: We never tested with jigdo. A quick search of jigdo vs bt seems to indicate that it is quicker? Do you have experience with jigdo? 2013-06-18 13:43:12 yes, downloading debian isos 2013-06-18 13:43:33 currupting it, wget halfof it, then continuing with jigdo 2013-06-18 13:43:47 work like charm 2013-06-18 13:44:07 does bit-torrent require setting up a torrent server? 2013-06-18 13:44:31 Yes it does 2013-06-18 13:44:54 Nice thing about BGT 2013-06-18 13:44:59 not sure, but think jigdo setup does not require any extra setup 2013-06-18 13:45:21 ...sorry, BT could work like multicast. Does jigdo do that? 2013-06-18 13:45:25 just generate jigdo template, with tool like jijit 2013-06-18 13:45:55 In other words, you could push an image out to 100 clients and then as each client received their "stuff", they would become seeds. 2013-06-18 13:46:00 but I need to look at it, if any server is required 2013-06-18 13:46:24 yes , benefit of peers 2013-06-18 13:46:38 ...so you would end up with 100 sources, all pushing and pulling. Jigdo uses that concept of peering? 2013-06-18 13:47:18 not sure, but think multiple sources can be added 2013-06-18 13:48:40 did those test long back, during squeeze download 2013-06-18 13:50:18 TY... 2013-06-18 14:12:34 Dave1029, I remember I even updated one of the isos by jigdo, it downloads only the difference 2013-06-18 14:14:14 cool 2013-06-18 14:14:19 i gotta try that 2013-06-18 14:16:35 oh, but it sounds a little dead according to wikipedia 2013-06-18 14:18:40 maintenance mode 2013-06-18 14:19:19 feature all done, but gui still not quite there 2013-06-18 14:19:41 yeah but i know that kind... like i.e. mod_python or csync2 2013-06-18 14:20:12 you might use it successfully, but if it's a non-commercial project and the devs get bored because it works... they walk away 2013-06-18 14:20:21 then it breaks and your infra goes to hell 2013-06-18 14:34:13 seems stable, I hope would be maintained by deb people even if original author moves from bug fixing 2013-06-18 14:38:54 helo 2013-06-18 14:39:43 helo, i have an old computer 2013-06-18 14:40:25 it had installed windows 2000 but it does not have sice a few years ago because i hade some problems with it 2013-06-18 14:41:21 and now it doesn't have any operating system, so I'd like to installl linux alpine, but i don't if it has a 32bit processor 2013-06-18 14:41:45 windows 2000 is 32bit 2013-06-18 14:41:54 tanks 2013-06-18 14:42:24 just more one thing does linux alpine works with old modems 2013-06-18 14:43:03 why not 2013-06-18 14:43:36 goodbye 2013-06-18 14:43:38 Guest48891: i think it does, but it might require some work to configure it 2013-06-18 14:43:46 but dunno it has the dial utils like wvdial 2013-06-18 14:43:54 i think we does not 2013-06-18 14:43:57 yeah 2013-06-18 14:44:05 so it'd need some manual configuration 2013-06-18 14:44:09 yup 2013-06-18 14:44:21 basic utils are packaged 2013-06-18 14:44:24 pppd and chat 2013-06-18 14:44:56 i'll try to install linux alpine if something goes wrong i'll install other linux distro goodbye 2013-06-18 15:35:40 If anyone is using pci-passthrough on Alpine, be aware that it locks dom0 when using Alpine 2.6.1. 2.5.4 works fine. 2013-06-18 15:36:16 If you upgrade to edge/testing from 2.5.4, you get the same lock up. 2013-06-18 15:40:38 DomU continues to work just fine when this happens. It happens when you try to assign the video card to DomU (pci-assignable-add) 2013-06-18 21:11:52 is there a way to run apk dot for just installed packages, vs all packages in your repo? 2013-06-18 21:15:43 taotetek: Are you looking for a list of which packages you have installed? 2013-06-18 21:16:25 If so, you could run 'apk version -v' 2013-06-18 21:19:44 "apk search" would give you a list of all available packages 2013-06-18 21:36:23 have the list of what I have installed - apk has a neat little "dot" command that generates a dot file for use with graphviz to do a drawing of dependency trees 2013-06-18 21:36:36 just wondering if I can get it to do only installed packages rather than all packages 2013-06-19 04:51:26 taotetek, currently no, but it's simple to add. i'll put it there briefly. 2013-06-19 13:06:50 vkrishn: Can you use jigdo to transfer normal files, or is it just for using .iso's? 2013-06-19 14:08:27 Dave1029: checked jigdo docs, could not find any reference to using with other kind of files than iso's 2013-06-19 14:08:42 I think zsync may be an alternative 2013-06-19 20:47:40 hello, im using Alpine 2.5 and when i go to compile ZNC's 'charset' it says that iconv.h can not be found 2013-06-19 20:48:21 its found it (in other distros) to be in either libxml or libiconv, neither of which are in Apline, or as far as i can tell 2013-06-19 20:48:32 we have libiconv 2013-06-19 20:48:52 i keep running into you Mp5shooter 2013-06-19 20:48:53 lol 2013-06-19 20:48:55 its Pain 2013-06-19 20:48:59 oh 2013-06-19 20:48:59 lol 2013-06-19 20:49:00 hey 2013-06-19 20:49:14 but yeah, apk add libiconv 2013-06-19 20:49:26 also there's a znc package so you don't have to compile it 2013-06-19 20:49:26 i tried that 2013-06-19 20:49:34 i like compiling it, idk why 2013-06-19 20:49:41 :~# apk add libiconv 2013-06-19 20:49:41 OK: 376 MiB in 69 packages 2013-06-19 20:49:44 thats all it did 2013-06-19 20:50:09 which i would assume means, 'its installed idiot' 2013-06-19 20:50:43 yeah that means it got installed 2013-06-19 20:50:53 er 2013-06-19 20:50:55 :~# find / -name iconv 2013-06-19 20:50:56 that means it's already installed 2013-06-19 20:50:58 /usr/bin/iconv 2013-06-19 20:52:10 is there a way to check the version of a package? 2013-06-19 20:52:16 ill just add it via apk 2013-06-19 20:54:57 apk info packagename 2013-06-19 20:54:59 er 2013-06-19 20:55:13 yeah that's how 2013-06-19 20:55:17 yea 2013-06-19 20:56:50 its the old znc 2013-06-19 20:56:52 0.206 2013-06-19 21:00:45 apk update 2013-06-19 21:00:47 apk upgrade 2013-06-19 21:01:00 1.0 is in the repo 2013-06-19 21:01:07 well.. edge repo at least 2013-06-19 21:01:08 im using 2.5 2013-06-19 21:01:44 im using a tortoi.es box Mp5shooter 2013-06-19 21:01:53 me too 2013-06-19 21:01:54 ;O 2013-06-19 21:02:05 rofl 2013-06-19 21:06:02 configure:5079: result: no 2013-06-19 21:06:02 configure:5123: WARNING: libiconv was not found, disabling the charset module 2013-06-19 21:06:02 configure:5127: checking for GNU make 2013-06-19 21:06:02 configure:5166: result: /usr/bin/make 2013-06-19 21:06:02 configure:5346: creating ./config.status 2013-06-19 21:08:00 ACTION shrugs 2013-06-19 21:08:04 lol 2013-06-19 21:08:14 wait 2013-06-19 21:09:21 ok so libiconv is installed and in PATH 2013-06-19 21:09:24 but not iconv.h 2013-06-19 21:09:46 apk add libiconv-dev 2013-06-19 21:10:37 wow 2013-06-19 21:10:55 and it works 2013-06-19 21:10:57 damnit man 2013-06-19 21:10:59 :p 2013-06-19 21:11:06 im just going to start adding -dev to everything on here now 2013-06-19 21:11:07 lol 2013-06-20 07:59:05 what do you guys think about setting up an alpine-user mailing list? 2013-06-20 08:01:10 ncopa, might be a good idea. seems we are getting more and more "user" questions 2013-06-20 08:02:23 when we set up the mailing lists the only users were the developers :) 2013-06-20 10:22:13 ncopa: regarding user mailing list, ive setup forum on a.o 2013-06-20 10:22:22 we can lauch it if you like. 2013-06-20 11:04:12 can ppl register? 2013-06-20 11:04:29 username and passwd 2013-06-20 11:04:35 sure 2013-06-20 11:05:01 /forum 2013-06-20 11:05:46 is forum a plugin for drupal? 2013-06-20 11:05:57 its core 2013-06-20 11:06:02 ok good 2013-06-20 11:06:49 its a core module. so it can be disabled (like almost everything) 2013-06-20 11:06:57 yes 2013-06-20 11:07:14 i was a bit worried if it was a plugin 2013-06-20 11:07:17 for future upgrades 2013-06-20 11:07:26 it does have an adv_forum module to make the layout like it is now. 2013-06-20 11:07:46 but thats just markup/extra functions 2013-06-20 11:28:04 ACTION tried to register. waiting for the mail now... 2013-06-20 11:30:51 StarWarsFan: actived 2013-06-20 11:31:09 ncopa: i think we should announce it on ml and a.o 2013-06-20 11:31:11 ah nice, thx 2013-06-20 11:31:26 im going to auto activate ppl 2013-06-20 11:31:28 see how that goes 2013-06-20 11:34:22 watch out for bots 2013-06-20 11:34:47 i wonder if we could set up an ldap backend for forums/wiki/redmine 2013-06-20 11:34:59 so you could have same user/pass for all of them 2013-06-20 11:35:04 there is also openid... 2013-06-20 11:35:33 would be great 2013-06-20 11:36:24 we have some plugins to prevent bots 2013-06-20 11:36:45 StarWarsFan: give the forum a test run. if any issue let me know. 2013-06-20 11:37:05 its kind of modular concept, so things could be missing/mis-configured 2013-06-20 11:38:05 https://bugs.alpinelinux.org/issues/335 2013-06-20 11:38:20 hm, no activation mail so far... 2013-06-20 11:38:25 question is how users create new accounts 2013-06-20 11:38:30 and reset the passwords 2013-06-20 11:39:31 we could redirect all reset-links to some backend? I have no experiance in sso 2013-06-20 11:41:46 http://code.google.com/p/pwm/ 2013-06-20 11:42:55 ugh its java 2013-06-20 11:43:09 i was about to ask that 2013-06-20 11:43:12 looks like java 2013-06-20 11:43:13 :) 2013-06-20 11:43:20 http://ltb-project.org/wiki/documentation/self-service-password 2013-06-20 11:57:22 https://bugs.alpinelinux.org/issues/335#note-1 2013-06-20 12:02:32 clandmeter: something seems to be wrong with the mail setup 2013-06-20 12:02:40 no activation mail received 2013-06-20 12:03:06 imho shouldn't this take that long to deliver these mail 2013-06-20 12:05:14 ncopa: https://code.google.com/p/aguilas 2013-06-20 12:05:37 StarWarsFan: are you able to login? 2013-06-20 12:05:42 or you need that email? 2013-06-20 12:06:15 i have no password, so i assume the inital one will be delivered by mail!? 2013-06-20 12:07:07 i recieved email just fine 2013-06-20 12:07:10 starwarsfan has applied for an account. 2013-06-20 12:07:53 StarWarsFan: can you try to reset your password? 2013-06-20 12:08:07 sure, just a second... 2013-06-20 12:08:44 "Further instructions have been sent to your e-mail address" 2013-06-20 12:08:48 so let's see... 2013-06-20 12:10:30 StarWarsFan: you are greylisting 2013-06-20 12:10:44 greylisting is bad.... :) 2013-06-20 12:12:59 lol 2013-06-20 12:13:05 your server is stuborn 2013-06-20 12:15:40 if it would be _my_ server, than this might be... ;-) 2013-06-20 12:15:58 but actually it's not mine 2013-06-20 12:16:08 its your choice to use it :) 2013-06-20 12:16:24 and all other stuff is delivered as expected 2013-06-20 12:16:32 like alpine-ml 2013-06-20 12:16:36 probably with delay aswell 2013-06-20 12:16:53 atleast initial communication 2013-06-20 12:17:03 we use gross 2013-06-20 12:17:12 its a bit smarter by design 2013-06-20 12:37:01 clandmeter: if one clicks the hint regarding BBCode tags, this link should be opened in another window 2013-06-20 12:37:19 because otherwise the already started posting might be lost... 2013-06-20 13:08:28 StarWarsFan: i fixed that. 2013-06-20 13:10:49 looks like the bbcode module is kind of unmaintained. should probably replace it. 2013-06-20 13:48:02 hmm 2013-06-20 13:48:20 last week i found something 2013-06-20 13:49:01 gosa 2013-06-20 13:49:19 https://oss.gonicus.de/labs/gosa/ 2013-06-20 13:51:01 couldn't figure out how to set the demo site's language to english 2013-06-20 13:51:39 looks like php 2013-06-20 13:51:45 looks pretty nice 2013-06-20 13:53:27 kocka: do you nkow if it provides a selfservice password reset tool? 2013-06-20 13:53:58 (actually i was setting up a pure-ftpd, and apt search gave this for pureftp :) 2013-06-20 13:59:54 ncopa: gosa is dead go to #fusiondirectory that is the community fork 2013-06-20 14:00:01 http://www.fusiondirectory.org/ 2013-06-20 14:04:28 bb 2013-06-20 14:10:41 ncopa: what about http://www.freeipa.org/page/About 2013-06-20 14:12:40 free ipa keeps popping up 2013-06-20 14:13:23 a friend of mine picked gosa instead, idk why 2013-06-20 14:17:05 fusiondir doesnt convince users with eye-candy. 2013-06-20 14:27:26 clandmeter: did you try both? 2013-06-20 14:27:28 can you tell more? 2013-06-20 14:28:19 my ++ points for freeipa was that they have a roadmap and a list of stuff that works and stuff that doesn't 2013-06-20 14:29:12 so i suspected the community is low on smartasses, instead it should be usable, non-broken most of the time 2013-06-20 15:38:50 xen+alpineDom0 crashes on startup for me at the moment. utf8 is not a valid IO charset for FAT filesystems, then it drops down to rescue mode and hangs with a shell prompt. has anyone seen this? 2013-06-20 16:08:00 Hi 2013-06-20 16:08:41 How can I install the Alpine userspace only? 2013-06-20 16:09:08 Silent: there's a chroot install script 2013-06-20 16:09:20 Rid of everything but the Kernel and install Alpine 2013-06-20 16:09:39 Is there a guide? 2013-06-20 16:11:34 Oh nevermind I thing I found it 2013-06-20 22:04:08 i'd really love if the install cd had a pcmciautils package 2013-06-21 05:08:14 If I want to set up an email server on alping *without* using a web gui, what should I do? I've never set up a mail server before 2013-06-21 05:08:32 alpine* 2013-06-21 05:19:21 Niichan, http://wiki.alpinelinux.org/wiki/ISP_Mail_Server_2.x_HowTo 2013-06-21 05:19:36 also http://wiki.alpinelinux.org/wiki/Protecting_your_email_server_with_Alpine 2013-06-21 05:38:35 fabled: do I have to use the gui? 2013-06-21 05:43:29 no 2013-06-21 09:26:36 can one of you tell me which alpine version was the last that had pcmcia support in kernel? 2013-06-21 09:26:45 it seems something pre 01/2012 2013-06-21 09:30:15 darkfader: check gitlog on git.a.o 2013-06-21 09:30:32 oh, i have a vm with the git checked out 2013-06-21 09:30:34 i'll search in there 2013-06-21 09:31:18 darkfader: http://git.alpinelinux.org/cgit/aports/commit/?id=441cf9f59a263ca7f85b96ec71f0d50b5e223be5 2013-06-21 09:38:39 clandmeter: how can i match that into some iso (release)? 2013-06-21 09:38:59 suggestion along with that: there should really be a date in the alpine release notes :) 2013-06-21 09:39:22 releases are tags 2013-06-21 09:39:56 hehe 2013-06-21 15:40:45 what do i do after an abuild menuconfig for changing kernel options? 2013-06-21 15:40:57 i had it load a modified config, stored to .config 2013-06-21 15:41:15 and now i'm running abuild build but i don't know if that will really build with my modifications 2013-06-21 23:25:24 I'm trying to add many ipv6 addresses to /etc/network/interfaces, http://i.imgur.com/3i7M7sN.png 2013-06-22 11:24:22 hi there 2013-06-22 11:25:17 how can I get the following commands in Alpine Linux: rand, srand, trap 2013-06-22 11:26:40 which package I should install? 2013-06-22 12:26:33 :(\ 2013-06-25 18:42:56 <_lb_> Hi! Has anybody used pkgsrc on alpine? 2013-06-25 18:55:48 <_lb_> I mean... Building the pkgsrc would provide thousands of pkgs for Alpine linux... 2013-06-25 18:56:08 <_lb_> What is the quid of the philosophy... to use apk or to have packages? 2013-06-25 18:56:25 <_lb_> ACTION is willing to compile thousands of packages on his farm... 2013-06-25 18:56:40 you mean most of outdated unmaintained, broken packages? 2013-06-25 18:56:45 i'd choose apk 2013-06-25 18:58:11 <_lb_> I use pkgsrc on Solaris and while there are exceptions most of the time it works... 2013-06-25 18:59:23 smartos? 2013-06-25 18:59:33 <_lb_> yup 2013-06-25 18:59:40 <_lb_> to be specific ;) 2013-06-25 19:26:47 does joyent's kvm support amd now? 2013-06-25 19:33:18 <_lb_> nope! 2013-06-25 19:33:24 <_lb_> not in their plans. 2013-06-25 19:33:33 <_lb_> I also think it would be a good idea... 2013-06-25 19:33:43 <_lb_> but... SmartOS =! Joyent... 2013-06-25 19:33:51 <_lb_> Joyent happens to use SmartOS.... 2013-06-25 19:35:03 joyent develops smartos 2013-06-25 19:35:47 joyent porting kvm and pkgsrc to illumos 2013-06-25 19:38:36 <_lb_> Joyent contributes to SmartOS but in practice it is just a community based Illumos distribution 2013-06-25 19:39:20 <_lb_> The porting was contribution to Illumos. OmniOS also has the same tools available... And so does Nexsenta... 2013-06-25 19:39:31 <_lb_> ^Nexsenta^Nexenta 2013-06-25 19:41:53 i don't think so 2013-06-25 19:42:14 smartos is not a community based illumos distro 2013-06-25 19:42:41 <_lb_> kocka: I don't know... I just have been using it for a couple of years. 2013-06-25 19:43:00 <_lb_> Joyent does not de-facto support the platform 2013-06-25 19:43:14 <_lb_> But they do most of the contributions 2013-06-25 19:43:27 <_lb_> But everything that goes to the kernel has to go through illumos.. 2013-06-25 19:43:40 <_lb_> It is a bit different than the linux ecosystem 2013-06-25 19:44:01 joyent created it and using as a base for smartdatacenter 2013-06-25 19:44:26 <_lb_> yup 2013-06-25 19:44:36 and shared smartos source code 2013-06-25 19:44:52 <_lb_> yup 2013-06-25 19:45:15 are you using it with fifo? 2013-06-25 19:45:33 <_lb_> No, I am a SDC customer 2013-06-25 19:45:59 <_lb_> Although I run a FiFo cluster too. 2013-06-25 19:46:16 may i ask how many physical machines do you havE? 2013-06-25 19:46:29 <_lb_> a few hundreds 2013-06-25 19:46:35 nice 2013-06-25 19:46:40 <_lb_> Our network equipment runs alpine ;) 2013-06-25 19:46:52 \o/ 2013-06-25 19:46:59 :) 2013-06-25 19:47:16 <_lb_> I just want to contribute... We really like Alpine here... 2013-06-25 19:47:38 <_lb_> We have a few ideas we'd like to discuss with the community, but first we gotta test them... 2013-06-25 19:49:28 hmm 2013-06-25 19:50:20 <_lb_> So we think packaging could be a good contribution 2013-06-25 19:52:37 you should talk to ncopa about it 2013-06-25 19:53:05 <_lb_> There is very possibly a hardware vendor interested in supporting Alpine too... 2013-06-25 19:53:25 <_lb_> Sice we are using Alpine their interest has been growing. 2013-06-25 19:54:35 <_lb_> Of course we are very enterprise oriented, but I don't think that's necessarily bad 2013-06-25 20:01:12 may i ask the name of your hosting company?:) 2013-06-25 20:02:09 <_lb_> Not a hosting company (TM) 2013-06-25 20:02:11 <_lb_> ;) 2013-06-25 20:03:00 <_lb_> And we will say who we are once we have an independent name... for now we are a new-co inside another big institution... 2013-06-25 20:04:18 <_lb_> Our sector is 'serious number crunching needs' 2013-06-25 20:14:33 <_lb_> kocka: But.. Then you think that putting any effort into pkgsrc is a mistake? 2013-06-25 20:15:04 well, i used pkgsrc on netbsd 2013-06-25 20:15:24 can't say anything about the illumos port 2013-06-25 20:15:42 <_lb_> kocka: wouln't it be beautiful to have a single source for packages across open platforms? 2013-06-25 20:15:52 <_lb_> I think the idea is 'pretty pretty' 2013-06-25 20:16:03 yes it is 2013-06-25 20:16:05 <_lb_> It actually works better than homebrew on OSX... 2013-06-25 20:16:07 <_lb_> ;) 2013-06-25 20:16:31 but my experience is that there are lots of unmaintained packages 2013-06-25 20:16:49 which are builded, but not working properly 2013-06-25 20:17:00 or old versions 2013-06-25 20:17:51 <_lb_> But if you are trying to build a whole package tree.. It is a good place to start... Better than nothing... And with chances of being improved... 2013-06-25 20:18:05 <_lb_> (Or perhaps I am too naive... )(Well, definitely I am) 2013-06-25 20:19:53 (i'm on the pkgsrc mailing list) 2013-06-25 20:20:57 but alpine is doing what it should do :) 2013-06-25 20:21:53 i try to improve it by following security advisories and announces, and notify the maintainers to fix the issues 2013-06-25 20:22:26 <_lb_> Yes... Quality is better than quantity... 2013-06-25 20:22:34 <_lb_> That's true 2013-06-26 05:54:19 morning 2013-06-26 05:54:32 ah _lb_ left 2013-06-26 05:54:58 i actually looked at pkgsrc right before the alpine 1.9 release 2013-06-26 05:55:11 while we still used gentoo portage 2013-06-26 05:55:53 i think making pkgsrc work is not a too difficult task 2013-06-26 05:56:25 but for my own needs, apk is way better as package manager 2013-06-26 05:57:05 and using pkgsrc to build apk's would be similar to what we used to do with gentoo 2013-06-26 05:57:23 and there is a reason why we stopped to do that 2013-06-26 05:57:37 we ended up maintaining stuff double 2013-06-26 12:31:59 darkfaded: seems csync2 development is still active 2013-06-26 12:32:58 vkrishn: i also use it and i know a few prod clusters running with it 2013-06-26 12:33:31 but "active" is not a readme from 2008 and an even older thesis as docs 2013-06-26 12:33:49 i saw they made v6 patches and all so it'll "work" for a few years to come 2013-06-26 12:34:01 <_lb_> How do you access apk coffe making capabilities? 2013-06-26 12:34:14 _lb_: 0mq 2013-06-26 12:34:32 your coffeemaker needs to subscribe to the zeromq queues 2013-06-26 12:34:35 <_lb_> darkfaded: epgm? 2013-06-26 12:36:06 george c will know 2013-06-26 12:42:50 AL has a mirror at http://distrib-coffee.ipsl.jussieu.fr/pub/linux/alpine/alpine/ 2013-06-26 13:19:07 _lb_: apk fetch coffee 2013-06-26 13:19:23 and try also with --force 2013-06-26 13:20:21 vkrishn: distrib-coffee was the first alpine mirror iirc 2013-06-26 13:21:02 http://distrib-coffee.ipsl.jussieu.fr/mmm 2013-06-26 13:28:41 I guess, historically that's not the reason that influenced adding 'that' statement to apk command ;) 2013-06-26 13:35:43 <_lb_> nice! 2013-06-26 18:21:27 hi 2013-06-26 18:21:45 is there also an alpine pxe image? 2013-06-26 18:23:18 http://wiki.alpinelinux.org/wiki/PXE_boot 2013-06-26 18:23:35 oh, thanks 2013-06-26 18:23:39 Just found it too :-) 2013-06-26 18:23:55 I haven't tested it myself - and it saids it's prototype 2013-06-26 18:24:05 so I cant guarantee it works 2013-06-26 18:24:27 But feel free to debug and improve the documentation 2013-06-26 18:25:38 okay 2013-06-26 18:26:52 Use latest available AlpineLinux - that gives you best chance to make it 2013-06-26 18:30:14 I will, thanks 2013-06-27 12:49:01 https://blog.torproject.org/blog/new-tor-browser-bundles-and-tor-02414-alpha-packages 2013-06-27 12:49:04 \o/ 2013-06-28 14:56:48 hi 2013-06-28 14:57:07 how can I get the command rand or srand in Alpine Linux? 2013-06-28 14:57:42 anyone could help me please? 2013-06-28 15:06:43 Ybmanaf: do you know what source package it comes from? 2013-06-29 20:09:49 Hi :) 2013-06-29 20:10:28 I'm trying to get Alpine running on my hard drive, but I want to have custom partitioning. Apparenty I don't have fsutils on the live CD. How can I make an ext4 filesystem? 2013-06-29 20:14:39 you can install packages from online repository when running-from-RAM 2013-06-29 20:14:55 run 'setup-alpine' as easiest way to get networking and repository set up 2013-06-29 20:20:04 Oh I thought it was for installing to hard drive 2013-06-29 20:23:22 Also, the Israel timezone doesn't seem to be working in the installer. 2013-06-29 20:23:36 It's being listed but I can't set it as my timezone 2013-06-29 21:47:14 Is there a java compiler for alpine? 2013-06-29 22:05:26 Why am I unable to set my timezone?