2022-01-07 22:07:50 <jsene1> Alpine Linux v3.9, how can `netstat -tulpn | egrep 'PID|56789' show an entry but with no PID when checking via root? `tcp        0      0 :::56789                :::*                    LISTEN      -` ?
2022-01-07 22:08:54 <jsene1> I've never seen netstat unreliable like that...
2022-01-07 23:00:16 <SpaceToast> jsene1: this is not a support channel, please ask support questions in #alpine-linux
2022-01-07 23:00:24 <jsene1> ok
2022-01-11 22:08:23 <nangel> hey,
2022-01-21 08:23:51 <PJ[m]> I just subscribed to alpine/devel and got confirmation that I'm subscribed now, although on wiki it says that email address confirmation; that has to be replied to; will be sent before that https://wiki.alpinelinux.org/wiki/Alpine_Linux:Mailing_lists#Subscribing
2022-01-23 17:46:47 <ikke> nangel: would it be possible that we start working together on writing documentation? Lots of ideas what to document, but we need to start actually doing it
2022-01-23 19:59:20 <nangel> ikke: sure.   I've been keeping a list of things I think we want to document.
2022-01-23 19:59:36 <nangel> "Big" items - like chapters.
2022-01-23 20:00:00 <ikke> right
2022-01-23 20:01:22 <nangel> So do we just put it in git with SpaceToast's antora templates, or just git or ?
2022-01-23 20:02:03 <nangel> For now it is in a spiral-bound pad. :D
2022-01-23 20:03:58 <nangel> 
ACTION is thinking of just putting the "Chapters" in the antora templates; submit to gitlab, and go from there

2022-01-23 20:04:18 <ikke> right, I think the antora tempaltes suffice
2022-01-23 20:04:20 <nangel> but I also have enough experience to know I don't want to "wreck the train"
2022-01-23 20:04:55 <ikke> When I have have some time, I want to set up some CI
2022-01-23 20:04:56 <nangel> ikke: sounds good.   I'll update "chapters" that I think we need; you do the same
2022-01-23 20:05:23 <ikke> Any specific handbook you are referring to?
2022-01-23 20:05:51 <nangel> https://gitlab.alpinelinux.org/alpine/docs/user-handbook
2022-01-23 20:06:47 <ikke> ok
2022-01-23 20:07:04 <ikke> I'm also thinking about the developer handbook and the governance handbook
2022-01-23 20:07:10 <ikke> But we have to start somewhere
2022-01-23 20:07:20 <nangel> yes.
2022-01-23 20:09:58 <nangel> my "developer handbook" is "Pragmatic Guide to Git", with post-it notes from jiruka told me how I did it wrong. :D 
2022-01-23 20:10:51 <nangel> No hard feelings - but, yes, it would be good to transfer the "post-it" notes to a real developer handbook
2022-01-23 20:12:43 <ikke> Yeah, but also things like policies and the like
2022-01-23 20:12:48 <ikke> How the build infra works
2022-01-23 20:13:33 <nangel> ikke: My "meta-thought" is we follow OpenBSD's user's guide.   Setup. basic Networking, firewall, perhaps sound, X/Wayland; time, 
2022-01-23 20:13:54 <nangel> leave the "I set up <foo> on <SOC of the month>" to the wiki
2022-01-23 20:13:59 <ikke> nod
2022-01-23 20:14:05 <ikke> How apk works (on a high level)
2022-01-23 20:14:19 <nangel> yes, that's on the list. :D
2022-01-23 20:16:17 <nangel> Thing is alpine started out this tiny thing. and now its an elephant.
2022-01-23 20:16:40 <ikke> Yup
2022-01-23 20:16:50 <nangel> I am focusing on the users-guide.  But do you think we should focus on the developer's guide instead?
2022-01-23 20:16:52 <ikke> Well, still small compared to most other distros
2022-01-23 20:17:12 <ikke> nangel: I think both have value
2022-01-23 20:17:30 <ikke> My thinking is that we should create a basic framework for btoh
2022-01-23 20:17:32 <ikke> both
2022-01-23 20:17:41 <nangel> ok
2022-01-23 20:18:03 <ikke> So have a few basic chapters for the user handbook, and then work on the developer and governance handbook
2022-01-23 20:18:13 <nangel> SpaceToast and I have a basic "style guide" - in traditional Alpine style, its less than 2000 words
2022-01-23 20:18:13 <ikke> once we have things in place, it will be easier to expand
2022-01-23 20:18:20 <ikke> nangel: Sounds good
2022-01-23 20:18:41 <nangel> I'll try to get with her and have her sign off on it.  We publish the "Style Guide", and we move on both then
2022-01-23 20:37:50 <ikke> 👍
2022-01-24 19:37:32 <eletrotupi> Hello! I received an ok to prepare a patch for updating the post-install of the user-handbook to mention doas instead of sudo
2022-01-24 19:38:20 <eletrotupi> And Drew mentioned that in some point it was decided to move to use the docs.a.o instead of the wiki, but I can't really find it anywhere
2022-01-24 19:38:33 <eletrotupi> I kind of recall of being mentioned on AlpineConf 2021?
2022-01-24 19:38:56 <eletrotupi> Anyway, there is such document/mail/issue regarding this? 
2022-01-24 19:39:43 <eletrotupi> another friend of mine also want to prepare a patchset to suggest using $ or #, but he couldn't find it info on the handbook as well
2022-01-25 11:50:59 <nangel> AFAIK, the wiki will remain, but docs.a.o will be the "canonical" reference.  Your example is perfect - doas should be in the handbook.   "How to install nextcloud" will probably remain in the wiki
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