2021-02-06 15:48:45 Pulseaudio is installed, and dbus is installed. When starting vlc error: Failed to connect to the session daemon D-Bus: /usr/bin/dbus-startup completed abnormally without any error message 2021-02-06 15:48:57 Don't hit me I'm a noob. And I use a translator. 2021-02-06 15:49:45 Namenoter: hello, this is a channel about writing docs for Alpine Linux. For support, please join #alpine-linux 2021-02-06 15:50:10 Excuse me. 2021-02-06 15:50:29 There are more people there to help you :) 2021-02-16 12:20:41 Hi, just looked over the wiki.alpinelinux.org and some sentences where hard to read. I have made some minor changes and could maybe keep doing so but I have no wiki editing experience. If there is etiquette or best practice I violated let me know. User:Baldlizard 2021-02-16 12:30:44 Hi baldlizard, this channel is for/about docs.alpinelinux.org - wiki.alpinelinux.org is fair game :) 2021-02-20 17:36:04 I was wondering if the RPi installation procedure has changed (somewhat) recently. The "Create a Bootable USB" page seems to assume you have an ISO, but I think on .tar.gz is available for RPi 2021-02-20 17:37:05 I got it working a few months ago (not following the docs), and I was wondering if I should update the wiki since it seems like it doesn't match the procedure 2021-02-20 18:05:55 raspberry pi doesn't boot from usb unless (mumble mumble) 2021-02-20 18:06:18 there is a separate procedure for rpi 2021-02-20 18:11:00 The docs link to that page, but yes, I was using an SD card (no black magic here) 2021-02-20 18:11:10 "that page" being the "Bootable USB" 2021-02-20 18:14:25 I think the procedure is just create an MBR partition table with a tool like fdisk, make the (first?) partition bootable, and the continue with the RPi docs. But it doesn't actually say that anywhere on the wiki 2021-02-20 18:53:33 the raspbery pi article seems very clear 2021-02-20 19:50:51 Okay; I just remember it was not clear to me how to format the SD card since the "Create a bootable FAT32 partition on your SD card" leads to a page which doesn't mention creating an MBR table with fdisk/gparted 2021-02-20 19:51:44 I was thinking of editing the steps to be a bit more explicit in either the RPi article or the "Create a bootable..." page. But I haven't contributed to Alpine's Wiki before 2021-02-20 19:51:55 The rest of the RPi article was easy to follow 2021-02-23 01:19:18 is docs.alpinelinux.org made in mdbook? 2021-02-23 01:19:28 is the source for the handbook somewhere? 2021-02-23 01:20:29 it's made in antora, sources are here: https://gitlab.alpinelinux.org/alpine/docs 2021-02-23 01:25:20 thanks 2021-02-23 01:25:37 whats the deal with repos that are both on git.alpinelinux.org and gitlab.alpinelinux.org? 2021-02-23 01:26:25 we moved to gitlab a while ago, but git. remains as a mirror of some of the more critical ones 2021-02-23 01:26:46 iirc it's to avoid needing to rewrite configs that expect that url, but I could easily be wrong 2021-02-23 01:28:36 i see 2021-02-23 01:29:02 for some reason i thought alpine was on sr.ht 2021-02-23 01:29:07 i guess thats just the mailing lists 2021-02-23 01:30:13 drew spent a long time trying to convince everyone to move over to a local sr.ht installation, but only the mailing list stuff came to be, yes 2021-02-23 01:31:49 but thats the worst part! 2021-02-23 01:32:51 the previous mailing list stuff was pretty bad too, either way, now you know what the docs are made with and where they can be found 2021-02-23 01:33:21 at least normal mailing list software lets you generate a huge page of all threads that you can ctrl+f 2021-02-23 01:33:24 thanks 2021-02-23 01:34:04 i have never seen a mailman configured that way. it's by list and then by month 2021-02-23 01:34:30 i don't really see the difference between by month and 15 threads at a time 2021-02-23 01:34:57 and with either mailman or srht you can export as mbox so it doesn't really matter 2021-02-23 01:38:16 i guess the ones i am used to are pipermail 2021-02-23 01:38:21 the mbox export helps, slow though 2021-02-23 01:38:36 no wait 2021-02-23 01:38:41 hypermail not pipermail 2021-02-23 01:41:02 pipermail is mailman 2's default archiver. default though i don't think anyone actually changes it except to turn it off 2021-02-23 01:41:17 i think it's some kind of pun 2021-02-23 01:41:26 i don't know what hypermail is. 2021-02-23 01:42:14 just another archiver 2021-02-23 01:43:03 i think only intel uses it? 2021-02-23 01:48:38 didnt know they had mailing lists 2021-02-23 01:51:58 01.org 2021-02-23 02:02:15 you may be getting confused with hyperkitty 2021-02-23 02:02:37 which i think is a mailman3 thing 2021-02-23 02:03:30 i think they were trying to make it possible to respond to a thread via the web, which would be cool 2021-02-23 02:03:38 but in practice it looks pretty fugly 2021-02-25 18:07:23 you all helped me out a lot the last couple of days. i just wanted to share the simple steps i take to setup my alpine linux daily driver from the extended .iso 2021-02-25 18:07:28 https://pastebin.com/MqThi45L 2021-02-25 20:01:12 this page says to use 'apk add alpine-desktop' to help setup graphical environment. that package does not exist 2021-02-25 20:01:17 https://docs.alpinelinux.org/user-handbook/0.1a/Working/post-install.html 2021-02-25 20:02:06 must have gotten removed 2021-02-25 20:02:22 ncopa: is there a new recommended desktop/ui metapackage, or should I just remove the section? 2021-02-25 20:02:23 yes 2021-02-25 20:02:38 (I'm about to upgrade my computer, tomorrow after work, so I might not get around to editing this until next week) 2021-02-25 20:02:50 https://gitlab.alpinelinux.org/alpine/aports/-/commit/59ed4dcbaef9dec859eb014a003cb7a4c89780b0 2021-02-26 01:31:47 several people have raised this issue 2021-02-26 01:35:29 it's the first I'm hearing of it (especially amusing given how much I hear about the wiki, which is off-topic here ;)) 2021-02-26 01:54:55 3 references in #alpine-linux over past 3 months, one of which was me 2021-02-26 01:55:14 so "several" is a slight exaggeration but at least two other people 2021-02-26 01:55:36 alpine-linux is not the official channel for reporting issues with the docs, this channel is (as well as the issue board for docs) 2021-02-26 01:56:04 I have a full time job, as well as all sorts of other things I need to do, I can't just scour a high-volume channel in the hopes of catching an issue every year or two 2021-02-26 09:34:43 SpaceToast: as ikke said, yes, it should be removed 2021-02-26 09:35:00 i think we should direct people in #alpine-linux to the issue tracker for the docs 2021-02-26 09:39:19 Or even provide direct merge requests 2021-02-26 09:42:55 yeah 2021-02-26 11:49:57 alpine-box is the replacement, right? 2021-02-26 11:50:04 I'll try and get around to it next week 2021-02-26 11:50:08 sorry, setup-box 2021-02-26 11:50:54 last commit 2015 2021-02-26 11:55:47 hmm, guess I should just remove the section then (point to the wiki perhaps); if we have no official tools 2021-02-26 11:56:34 setup-xorg-base 2021-02-26 11:56:48 That's part of alpine-conf 2021-02-26 11:58:16 that just installs xogr 2021-02-26 11:58:24 not really the point of that section 2021-02-26 14:45:32 the whole point of removing it is that we don't have a specific "recommended desktop environment" 2021-02-26 14:45:59 imho we should be punting to archwiki on more of this stuff. 2021-02-26 14:46:25 if you can't pick between gnome/KDE/xfce/whatever that's not really an alpine issue 2021-02-27 02:03:20 same with e.g. syslinux vs grub. docs.a.o is a valiant effort but it really is a waste of time to have this mostly-distro-agnostic stuff duplicated 2021-02-27 02:03:51 it's just more opportunities for it to be wrong 2021-02-27 02:03:59 look man, constantly going "this is a waste of time" isn't going to make me work *more* to make this better 2021-02-27 02:04:06 if anything it's going to make me do less, since it's a wasted effort anyway 2021-02-27 02:04:12 if you want to improve it, do 2021-02-27 02:04:40 if all you want to do is sit around saying "yeah this isn't as good as it could be, I definitely won't do anything about it, and neither should you", then you can do that somewhere else 2021-02-27 02:20:03 <[[sroracle]]> ^