2021-01-06 15:37:31 <gfoun> hi all!
2021-01-06 15:37:34 <ncopa> gfoun: hi!
2021-01-06 15:39:08 <ncopa> gfoun has asked how to best contribute to the docs
2021-01-06 15:41:07 <ncopa> gfoun: the plan is (was?) to use docs.alpinelinux.org as official docs, and have the wiki as a community wiki
2021-01-06 15:43:03 <gfoun> I see, how would that differ in terms of the actual content? What content would be better suited for the community wiki, and what for the official site? Tutorials perhaps ?
2021-01-06 15:44:16 <ncopa> yes, something like that
2021-01-06 15:44:33 <gfoun> alright
2021-01-06 15:44:51 <ncopa> anything that should be official, like install handbook, or developer documentation, policies etc, should be in the official docs
2021-01-06 15:45:02 <ncopa> anythign that needs review before it gets merged
2021-01-06 15:45:16 <ncopa> anythign that needs review before it gets official docs
2021-01-06 15:45:44 <ncopa> SpaceToast has done a great job with the current docs.alpinelinux.org
2021-01-06 15:46:20 <ncopa> we track the docs in gitlab: https://gitlab.alpinelinux.org/alpine/docs
2021-01-06 15:47:15 <ncopa> SpaceToast is still the "official" lead for docs, but I suspect she may appreciate someone else taking over?
2021-01-06 15:47:47 <SpaceToast> I don't mind reviewing changes and making sure all contributions stand up to the quality standards (i.e an editorial position)
2021-01-06 15:47:55 <ncopa> ok. good
2021-01-06 15:48:19 <SpaceToast> just ping me if there's something to review and I'll get to it within a week max :)
2021-01-06 15:49:11 <ncopa> i dont think we ever properly announced docs.a.o? would be awesome if we could do so for 3.13 release
2021-01-06 15:49:29 <ncopa> i think we just need someone to look over it
2021-01-06 15:49:34 <SpaceToast> when's the 3.13 release planned?
2021-01-06 15:49:48 <ncopa> i was hoping to get rc3 out today
2021-01-06 15:49:50 <SpaceToast> I just got back to working full time, so it's hard for me to put much time into stuff in general
2021-01-06 15:49:52 <SpaceToast> aha
2021-01-06 15:49:58 <ncopa> so hopefully within a week
2021-01-06 15:50:03 <SpaceToast> my personal stance on inclusion is: 1. things that are specific to alpine (so alpine projects, things that are not present elsewhere; e.g a dedicated handbook for lbu or even a manual handbook could be a good idea); 2. things that are of direct relevance to people getting into it
2021-01-06 15:50:22 <ncopa> understood. maybe gfoun can spend some time on it?
2021-01-06 15:50:40 <SpaceToast> no complaints; like I said, just ping me here if there's something to review and I promise to get to it within a week ^^
2021-01-06 15:50:53 <ncopa> awesome
2021-01-06 15:51:07 <gfoun> I'd start by creating a content map of everything that's written, and then start deciding for the docs.alpinelinux.org overal structure, style, templates ?
2021-01-06 15:51:30 <SpaceToast> gfoun: docs.alpinelinux.org already exists, go over what's currently there ;)
2021-01-06 15:51:36 <SpaceToast> the user handbook is fairly complete as far as I'm concerned
2021-01-06 15:52:08 <SpaceToast> the approach for the structure and style is something between freebsd and gentoo
2021-01-06 15:55:20 <gfoun> already did
2021-01-06 15:59:29 <ncopa> it needs to mention mips64, and vanilla kernel is renamed to lts nowdays
2021-01-06 16:01:40 <ncopa> https://docs.alpinelinux.org/user-handbook/0.1a/Installing/manual.html#_repositories mentions v3.9, we should update that to current
2021-01-06 16:02:39 <SpaceToast> do we need to? just having a regularly scheduled "bump version" commit isn't that useful, especially since iirc there's some text saying "replace with whatever version you want"
2021-01-06 16:03:41 <ncopa> can we have it generated or something from a global variable?
2021-01-06 16:04:11 <ncopa> v3.9 is not even maintained anymore. it gives the impression that the documentation is outdated and unreliable
2021-01-06 16:04:13 <SpaceToast> Doesn't really change much, does it? I'll look into it this weekend, please do remind on Friday :)
2021-01-06 16:04:40 <ncopa> https://docs.alpinelinux.org/user-handbook/0.1a/Installing/manual.html#_ntp I don't think we should have warnings like "chrony is bugged" without any reference to the specific issue. otherwiseits impossible o know if the issue is fixed or not
2021-01-06 16:05:29 <SpaceToast> I think it has been fixed
2021-01-06 16:05:42 <SpaceToast> but you're right, ideally it should point to a bug
2021-01-06 16:12:54 <gfoun> So, I think I'll just take some time to acclimatize myself to the project/docs and get back to you. I've been only using Alpine for a week or so. Is the source for the user handbook avail on gitlab? Can't see anything resembling it.
2021-01-06 16:13:31 <SpaceToast> gfoun: https://gitlab.alpinelinux.org/alpine/docs
2021-01-06 16:14:24 <gfoun> yes this is what i was looking at
2021-01-06 16:14:46 <SpaceToast> the "User Handbook" repo under that are the sources for the user handbook
2021-01-06 16:16:26 <gfoun> under Installing/pages, got it
2021-01-06 16:16:55 <gfoun> need to get more coffee ><
2021-01-08 08:03:31 <drakbar> hi so I was following the how-to setup xfce here -> https://wiki.alpinelinux.org/wiki/Xfce_Setup, when I start the lightdm service it does bring up the login screen, however I am not able to login in as any user. A message appears that says "failed to start session". I thought it might polkit not able to log me in so I added it with apk, but there was no change. I looked through the logs but nothing really stood out to me, granted I
2021-01-08 08:03:31 <drakbar>  am not sure what exactly in the logs would indicate the problem. has anyone encoutered this type of issue before?
2021-01-08 08:13:13 <Cogitri> I think#alpine-linux would be a better channel for user support
2021-01-08 08:16:10 <drakbar> thanks I couldn't find it in the list of rooms
2021-01-08 08:21:03 <drakbar> one last thing about the documentation under the Troubleshooting section of  https://wiki.alpinelinux.org/wiki/Xfce_Setup the text reads '(that will appeared in lxdm.log if you lack it)' grammatically I believe it should be '(that will appear ...)'
2021-01-08 08:24:11 <Cogitri> Ah, do you have a wiki account? Then you could fix that and even add the solution to your problem to troubleshooting once that's fixed :)
2021-01-08 08:42:56 <drakbar> no I do not have a wiki account but I could fix it, granted if I am able to get it working
2021-01-08 08:43:05 <drakbar> :-D
2021-01-10 14:50:05 <exception> okay so official documentation goes into the docs.alpine... and other articles go into the wiki?
2021-01-10 14:50:15 <exception> from what mps told me
2021-01-10 14:50:19 <SpaceToast> yes, that's right
2021-01-10 14:50:24 <ikke> hey SpaceToast
2021-01-10 14:50:32 <SpaceToast> heya
2021-01-14 16:31:06 <ncopa> there is now a link to docs from main page https://alpinelinux.org
2021-01-14 17:04:14 <exception> Yay
2021-01-14 20:31:35 <omni> kewl
2021-01-19 17:52:31 <fys> docoumentation is surprisingly tricky.. im sure there's a long history of debates over software and standards ill try to brush up on before saying anything lol
2021-01-19 17:53:03 <ikke> fys mentioned they are interested in helping with documentation
2021-01-19 17:53:20 <ikke> SpaceToast here has setup docs.a.o
2021-01-19 17:53:50 <fys> neat!
2021-01-19 17:54:38 <fys> one thing i personally find is documentation is easy for alpine because there's not a lot of custom bolted on stuff
2021-01-19 17:56:30 <fys> keeping up with distro specific commands is such a pin
2021-01-19 17:56:33 <fys> pain*
2021-01-19 19:23:04 <exception> ^