2026-07-01 07:53:05 <knuxify|m> could somebody take a look at aports!103066?
2026-07-01 08:20:50 <jvvv> knuxify|m: Thanks for the tag! I hope you don't mind I grabbed up your changes. I liked the way you handled the vendored lib but still needed to add py3-typing-extensions.
2026-07-01 08:21:54 <jvvv> Looking back on it, I could have just commented on your MR. My hind sight is 20/20.
2026-07-01 08:40:50 <RustBotCachy> Hello! Just testing a minimalist IRC client I wrote in Rust. Is anyone around?
2026-07-01 08:41:52 <llllllllll> hola
2026-07-01 08:46:01 <fabricionaweb> couldnt test it within another channel
2026-07-01 08:47:46 <fabricionaweb> Hi, I have one PR waiting for review !102821
2026-07-01 09:00:40 <qaqland> it's hard to review !104548 :(
2026-07-01 09:06:28 <qaqland> https://www.x-cmd.com/start/support-us#faq
2026-07-01 09:15:17 <fabricionaweb> why is all inside package? eish
2026-07-01 09:44:53 <ncopa> do we really need an x-cmd apk package? I'm not sure what benefit it brings for alpine
2026-07-01 09:46:01 <ncopa> i think x-cmd looks shady
2026-07-01 09:47:25 <ncopa> it took a while to find out exactly what problem x-cmd is supposed to solve
2026-07-01 09:51:47 <bdprom> i still can't figure out what it does
2026-07-01 09:56:35 <jvvv> At first glanse it looks like a function library for script kiddies
2026-07-01 09:58:30 <f_> the MR description looks a bit llm-generated
2026-07-01 09:58:35 <f_> maybe they just used a translator
2026-07-01 09:59:15 <ncopa> i think it is a tool to circumvent package signing, so you don't need to be root to install things. I believe it is "useful" for AI to circumvent all kinds of protections
2026-07-01 09:59:27 <f_> website looks AI generated
2026-07-01 09:59:39 <bdprom> jvvv: yeah, it looks like a stdlib for people who are trying to solve X, but apparently cant google for the tool/5 LOC that solved it 20 years ago, i dont understand who whould use this
2026-07-01 09:59:47 <f_> I dunno, probably doesn't need to be an alpine package
2026-07-01 10:00:00 <ncopa> i dont think it needs to be alpine package
2026-07-01 10:00:23 <f_> "Shell Superpowers for AI Agents" ok right I'm excited for when another one of these runs rm -rf --no-preserve-root /*
2026-07-01 10:00:26 <bdprom> they're trying way too hard with the massive testimonial section, and too AI heavy, looks icky
2026-07-01 10:00:34 <ncopa> they can use eval "$(<URL>)"
2026-07-01 10:00:43 <ncopa> to install it if they want it
2026-07-01 10:00:58 <f_> 
ACTION never understood why you'd want to give shell access to an AI

2026-07-01 10:01:03 <bdprom> ncopa: hard agree
2026-07-01 10:01:21 <f_> 
ACTION doesn't even trust other people to give shell access to on his laptop, why would he trust an LLM for this

2026-07-01 10:01:22 <bdprom> this level of slop doesnt need to be in aports imho
2026-07-01 10:01:37 <f_> ncopa: agreed
2026-07-01 10:02:22 <f_> the apkbuild also looks like llm slop I guess (though not good at figuring that out)
2026-07-01 10:05:03 <ncopa> if the APKBUILD is slop or not is kind of irrelevant IMHO. I wouldn't want this in apk even if it was all human made
2026-07-01 10:05:36 <ncopa> it looks to me like a tool to install and run all kinds of tools as user. no root required
2026-07-01 10:05:54 <f_> Fair
2026-07-01 10:05:55 <ncopa> so you could just run everything as root, in a container
2026-07-01 10:06:17 <fabricionaweb> I cant say if is slop but it doesnt look good
2026-07-01 10:06:47 <bdprom> MR message looks sloppy (em-dashes), but it's hard to tell these days
2026-07-01 10:07:05 <fabricionaweb> 
ACTION doest even know how to do em-dashes

2026-07-01 10:07:16 <f_> honestly I really hate when some people use em-dashes and they get accused for using AI
2026-07-01 10:07:24 <f_> em-dashes existed before AI
2026-07-01 10:07:41 <fabricionaweb> how do you do em-dash on your keeb?
2026-07-01 10:07:49 <f_> but looking at this I think it's fair to assume they probably used a translator
2026-07-01 10:08:09 <f_> I only get suspicious about em-dashes when someone I know doesn't use them suddently starts using them
2026-07-01 10:08:17 <bdprom> f_: of course, but they were hardly ever used before LLMs, now they're a good signal that something was potentially written by one
2026-07-01 10:08:28 <ekatwired> bdprom: bdprom: I use em dashes
2026-07-01 10:08:57 <ncopa> I think think it is irrelevant if its AI or not. Its unclear what problem it solve, what value it brings to the table
2026-07-01 10:09:13 <f_> ^
2026-07-01 10:09:24 <ncopa> and after 5-10 mins look at it, it looks like it does it all wrong
2026-07-01 10:09:30 <f_> I feel we might be wasting our time with figuring out what part is written by AI
2026-07-01 10:09:49 <f_> guess no need to find more reasons to not accept it
2026-07-01 10:09:50 <ncopa> on basically every level
2026-07-01 10:31:48 <ekatwired> I really feel the urge to document libapk.
2026-07-01 10:31:55 <ekatwired> Is that something that would be welcome?
2026-07-01 10:53:47 <june> achill, hi i saw that you recently merged some atproto-related MRs by fabricio, one of which was a pds impl. would you maybe also want to look at !104392 ?
2026-07-01 11:12:47 <Sertonix[m]> WhyNotHugo: Do you want to open the maintainer= proposal or should I do that with your text?
2026-07-01 11:58:23 <lotheac> fabricionaweb: compose key or IME usually. https://lotheac.fi/s/fcitx-emdash.png (it's option number nine in the IME popup, after I typed "-")
2026-07-01 12:00:07 <fabricionaweb> thanks, I also figured on macos you can type option -
2026-07-01 12:00:21 <fabricionaweb> 
ACTION – I am not AI

2026-07-01 12:02:17 <WhyNotHugo> Sertonix[m]: I can open it. https://paste.sr.ht/blob/39e6b7228afbf2b2679b2806fd1c67521ca6a713 look good?
2026-07-01 12:03:08 <WhyNotHugo> fabricionaweb: I use compose: https://whynothugo.nl/journal/2024/07/12/typing-non-english-characters/
2026-07-01 12:03:44 <WhyNotHugo> compose-- = —
2026-07-01 12:03:52 <Sheila> shift-opt-hyphen will get you an em-dash—opt-hyphen by itself will only give you an en-dash.
2026-07-01 12:22:39 <Sertonix[m]> WhyNotHugo: looks good
2026-07-01 12:23:53 <WhyNotHugo> Sertonix[m]: this would be tsc, not aports, correct?
2026-07-01 12:31:00 <Sertonix[m]> Better would be https://gitlab.alpinelinux.org/alpine/council/-/work_items
2026-07-01 12:36:14 <achill> isnt that a purely technical decision?
2026-07-01 12:45:45 <WhyNotHugo> Sertonix[m]: ugh, sorry, already opened in tsc. Can you move it or shall I close and re-open?
2026-07-01 12:48:40 <Sertonix[m]> achill: it effects peoples workflow, they should be able to raise their concerns and have them addressed. Otherwise I expect that to be accepted relatively quickly (as in a few months)
2026-07-01 12:48:51 <Sertonix[m]> WhyNotHugo: I don't seem to have access for that
2026-07-01 12:54:32 <bdprom> any ideas why `abuild rootbld` (in community/neovim) would be failing with: "patch: **** Failed to set the owner of file runtime/ftplugin/lua.lua.oUIGIgl : Invalid argument"
2026-07-01 12:54:38 <bdprom> this seems to happen with all patches
2026-07-01 12:59:30 <achill> Sertonix[m]: i mean sure but that is still one of tsc's duties. the council handles community management and governance afaik
2026-07-01 13:00:48 <f_> but the tsc is broken?
2026-07-01 13:02:07 <Sertonix[m]> It seemed to me like the tsc was replaced with the council but I don't know
2026-07-01 13:02:14 <Sertonix[m]> bdprom: Which alpine/abuild version?
2026-07-01 13:03:15 <bdprom> Sertonix[m]: latest alpine edge abuild-3.18.0_rc1-r0
2026-07-01 13:08:20 <achill> f_: i mean thats no way to circumvint the tsc
2026-07-01 13:08:50 <achill> Sertonix[m]: no. technically the tsc is established again. its just waiting for the council to set an initial date of meet.
2026-07-01 13:15:36 <Sertonix[m]> bdprom: The output with the following patch might help to debug this: https://gitlab.alpinelinux.org/sertonix/aports/-/commit/e44d13e0f25a754fc39d619a46ad82270038aa07
2026-07-01 13:15:57 <f_> "the tsc is established again." nice!
2026-07-01 13:23:08 <bdprom> Sertonix[m]: https://dpaste.com/2X8XDP8KH
2026-07-01 13:23:38 <bdprom> i added -y to decode fds
2026-07-01 13:24:21 <bdprom> why does it need to chgrp to nobody :/
2026-07-01 13:31:21 <Sertonix[m]> Can you try with the strace... command replaced by "id"?
2026-07-01 13:32:56 <bdprom> uid=1000(user) gid=1000(user) groups=65534(nobody),65534(nobody),65534(nobody),65534(nobody),65534(nobody),65534(nobody),65534(nobody),1000(user)
2026-07-01 13:40:25 <Sertonix[m]> Maybe this?: stat $builddir/runtime/ftplugin/lua.lua
2026-07-01 13:42:39 <bdprom> https://dpaste.com/FJHFGGY7R
2026-07-01 13:51:00 <Sertonix[m]> Hm, that should have group 1000. What about the parent directory: stat $srcdir
2026-07-01 13:52:03 <bdprom> same:  Access: (2755/drwxr-sr-x)  Uid: ( 1000/    user)   Gid: (65534/  nobody)
2026-07-01 13:55:28 <Sertonix[m]> The sticky bit might be causing the issues here
2026-07-01 13:59:02 <ajhalili2006> good evening from the Philippines, could someone merge !103818 on my behalf (I already gave the new maintainer the LGTM) for me?
2026-07-01 14:01:35 <bdprom> Sertonix[m]: yeah thanks, i just noticed a load of my sys folders have +s for some reason.. wth.. `apk fix --directory-permissions` seems to have helped
2026-07-01 14:03:44 <Sertonix[m]> Ok, I might change something on the abuild side as well.
2026-07-01 14:04:15 <bdprom> nice, gonna reboot and test again with perms fixed
2026-07-01 14:05:58 <bdprom> yup, patch works now :)
2026-07-01 14:06:12 <bdprom> thanks for your help
2026-07-01 14:26:16 <alexaandru> Hi all! I got a few MRs: !103818 !103127 !103156 !103088 - if someone could look into them I'd appreciate it. Thank you!! :-)
2026-07-01 17:40:55 <witcher01> i'm trying to use coccinelle and get the error regarding python not being able to resolve a symbol in line 4 here: https://paste.sr.ht/~witcher/65b8ce289d6f771524a0bcb89a5ffb8281d95040. can someone share some advice on how to start debugging this?